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More pulser action with some high speed digital logic.
And more playing with the Agilent 81160A PFANG and Agilent 13GHz 90000 series scope.
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First, this isn't a DSO-X, this is a DSA91304A. Second, it looks like the earlier serial numbers had Windows XP and the new ones have Windows 7; the datasheet makes reference to operating system upgrades from Windows XP to Windows 7 on page 34. So we were both right about the series, just basing our information off of different units.
You weren't kidding me when you said "just wait till the coming video" (or something to that effect) **thumbs up**
Depends on the scope. Some of the scopes run VXworks or other non-Windows operating systems. I have an Infiniivision 7000 series, and that scope definitely doesn't run windows. The MSO-X series scopes don't run windows, either. OTOH, all of the high end Infiniium series units (including this DSA91304A) run some form of Windows.
In the context of cameras it does. In electronics it means transistor-transistor logic (google/wiki it).
Dave's lab is slowly becoming worth more than the entire building :P
Most likely. 9000 family scope we have at work has full version of Windows 7 installed. The scope screen is really just an application.
It actually runs windows XP, not windows 7. It's very common for high end scopes and logic analyzers to run windows. I believe you can even install Matlab on it and Agilent has a plug-in so Matlab can interface directly with the high speed acquisition hardware. Crazy stuff.
That is clearly Windows 7 as you can see @12:16
You'd be surprised how many devices run embedded versions of Windows. Most of these high end scopes are essentially PCs anyway. Not sure why you'd write something from scratch.
I thought Dave forgot the name of the signal generator and kept calling it the "P-Thang (as in thing).. :D
He reviews stuff like that because most poeple have no way of seeing one of those, so Dave does the next best thing.
It can do 13GHz, and 40GS/s with incredible jitter performance. You can't just get a cheap USB box with ADC and some memory and do the same thing.
The slow ringing is probably supply bypassing - methinks, the lead inductance of your PSU wires ringing with the 74xx04's input cap. I'm not quite so sure about the high speed ringing, but I suspect it's the buffer's output capacitance ringing with the chip's leads and bond wires.
I like the combination of the old and new endings. The new one seemed a little empty, but the music makes it work.
The agilent 3000 series as well as the 2000 series are running on Win Embedded CE.
Dave mentions this in his agilent 2000 series review.
Maybe this one does as well.
An embedded windows is mostly much more efficient when it comes to high complexity/performance applications. That way you don't have to write a complete system from scratch, only the software itself.
Example: All top range digital mixing consoles run on embedded windows.
from the Agilent Infinitum DSO-X 90000A series oscilloscopes datasheet that on page 34 states "Computer system and Peripherals. Operating system: Windows(R) 7", and within the video itself, when the channel 1 offset adjustment window shrinks and fades to close, and the same way for the settings window fades and shrinks to close. these are features that Windows XP cannot have because it does not have the Desktop Window Manager, with the DWM's Direct3D video rendering of the windows
No idea. Whenever the mood takes me I guess!
Im sure someone has said already, but on the pfang, on the LCD, output 1 = CH1 + CH2, might explain the camels hump
Dave, with all that uber equipment you could surley tell us how well Chris's pulse generator performed. ;)
Yep.
We had a function generator with (old unpatched) Windows XP in our school, someone plugged in an infected USB-Stick, byebye function generator . . .
Try looking for an old analog scope...I got a good deal on one, and it's served me well. If you do decide to go for something digital...the rigol ds1052e is probably one of the best for the money (especially since Rigol reduced the price of that scope...you can hack it to the 100 mhz version pretty easily)
I wonder how a pulse generator will du with Tunneling Diode
There are other OSes which would be more appropriate, unfortunately large companies still find it impossible to change their development model to suit.
It really looked like poor bypassing. I think the copper tape on the IC itself was partially to blame.
Windows 7... now someone will send "homemade kit" to Dave that will contain virus, hell you could probably even infect that system through BNC :P
It is not a schmitt trigger input, sine would not be a good idea.
Probably Vista embedded. I believe Dave actually talked to an Agilent representative at an EE tech fair that he made a previous video about, and mentioned this.
Wrong, it was an vector network analyzer, but the function generator also had mouse support, so i guess it was running Windows too.
Yes, it seems like it is the aero in win7.
I love your blog, Dave!
That scope runs FUCKING WINDOWS!?!?
Almost all Agilent/Keysight scopes run Windows CE.
My first thought when seeing this pulser was: Jim Williams. RIP Jim.
The separate windows on the scope look kinda cool.
Who said anything about writing from scratch? There's lots of other options for embedded OSes out there, and certainly ones with better (and more flexible) hardware support.
You answered it yourself, because it's interesting.
Why the worries about the ringing? Even with a 13GHz scope - you can't get rid of Gibbs phenomenon..
13:05 that's why we are here cool!
Hi Dave, I bags the scope when you're finished with it...
That's some wicked prototype, cudos who made it! ... Dave why did you show that equipment, did you try the prototype ?
You told us what the chip was, it would have been nice if you would have told us the value of the other 3 unknowns are.
Problem with such powerful hardware is you actually do have to read the manual.
The day they make you send that gear back is going to be very very sad.
Can you make a video about ground loops on PC and measurement equipment?
hi dave, just a small thing, but isnt the chip a philips brand instead of TI? :)
I think it some version of 7, like a Agilent branded Windows 7. Awesome!
Nice equipment :P Mind if I fly over to Australia to be your apprentice?
hey Dave, how about an oscilloscope teardown? ;)
Not only agilent does that with the high end scopes, no idea why.
No, it runs Windows XP. How do I know? I have one of these suckers in my lab, and when you push the power button it says "windows XP professional starting up". Why would it be windows vista or windows 7 if it calls itself XP? Where do you get the crazy idea that it has the Aero interface installed? Most of what you see on the screen is the customAgilent oscilloscope software running on it.
3:11 Don't take it apart... turn it on! :)
that is Windows 7. Windows XP lacks the ability to draw the Aero interface, straight up. It's as simple as "If it's got a glassy look, it ain't Windows XP". it can be linux, or Mac OS (maybe), or some custom job, but it categorically cannot be Windows XP, even when the sticker on the back says otherwise
hm logo looks more like philips (nxp) ?
I was wondering the same!
@berni8k What about a vector analyzers frequency sweep on continuous mode?
If you hooked up a speaker to the PFANG would the speaker put out some noise??
Because you can just hang a 13GHz scope off a USB port. Right.
You are aware there's a hell of a lot more to one of these scopes than a PC with some stuff hung off a general purpose consumer bus, right?
Wouldn't the coupling menu have been a good place to look?
chrisl456@ They put Windows (Win CE) on Medical equipment as well. (Scary stuff)
Yes it would but trust me its incredibly irritating to listen to someone toying with a signal gen on a speaker.
It's either Vista or 7 Embedded, No way it's running full OS
Damn that is a sexy scope
in the words of mikeselectricstuff there's quite a bit of RF black magic going on there.
Watch the video...
Wow! overkill indeed got redefined. I love HP/agilent. How did you get so lucky to get this equipment? I assume you didn't sold your house and car for it.
TTL doesnt mean "Through the lens", or?
Would an ECL family work much better?
I'm wondering the same thing!
Yeah, you could take the computer and display out of it then it would only cost $139,000.
It looks like that scope has winblows on it. I guess I won't waste my money on it (if I had $140k.)
More likely to be windows embedded, maybe Windows Embedded Compact 7?
Let's see youscope on that $140k puppy ;)
You clearly have no idea of the technology that goes into a scope like this and why it costs so much to get this performance. Take out the computer and it will still cost the same.
Dave, when's your next live show?
how did you get the reticulately expensive scopes? :P
is that me or is that scope running windows embedded 7?
Repeating the price like that you sound like Gob form Arrested Development talking about his suit. search "Gob and his expensive suits"
This dead bug stuff made me join your channel :)
1:32 "Keep 'm kabule" Whats that?
+Evert van Ingen "Kit and caboodle", slang for :- everything.
Hahahah, I love it.
Sounds so funny :D
A scope that runs windows?
Of course... Linux isn't a thing in high end embedded instruments. And there are good reasons for that. (nothing to do with Linux in itself mostly)
Elliot Jackson
I wouldn't run that on 5 volts...
Windows 7 on a scope thats crazy
Wait... a $140k scope, and they put windows on it? Blegh.
dumb question: i don't own a scope (not yet), can anyone explain why some scope are running on windows ? does it have any benefits? or is it just a "programming laziness" from the guys who made it ?
:/ it is running windows 7... you have an older scope. It is running aero -_-...
The fuck? Windows 7?
win xp