Thanks for the detail breakdown. I am tired of these tekken old heads with 2-3 decades of game knowledge just telling me to "just side step bro' with zero explanation as to when and how.
@@shaftmastr7753nigga doing the same thing he just complained about lmao, he prob did but come on bro a guide is much easier than using trial an error for each character, that each has 150 moves with varying level of tracking including to their weak sides
@@shaftmastr7753 Here it is again-your comment is basically like people saying, 'Just sidestep, bro.' I've tried trial and error, but as I mentioned, it's tough to know where to begin when you're brand new to the Tekken engine. That's why I appreciate this guy, he's really good at breaking down complex concepts and presenting them in a way that's easy for new players to understand.
@3ASY355 yeah dawg i started with tekken 8 too and like its not that complicated i literally just see a move and im like "hmm i wonder if i can side step here" and either it works or it doesnt. Its not rocket science. The ogs prolly tell you to "just side step" cuz thats how they learned and it works just fine
I’ve looked up advanced sidestepping guides for the last few weeks with no luck. Now you appear in my recommended and bless me with this amazing knowledge. I appreciate you sir, great video 🐐
this video is astounding. ive never heard a player describe the application of sidesteps with this sort of concise and goal-oriented explanation. too many guides just say to sidestep/block at around +3/-3, but not the why or the rationale. ive been playing tekken since t7 came out, and i never heard anyone properly articulate the perspective that jab > sidestep > block is the lowest risk way to create whiffs and set up advantage situations, and how much you really should be abusing it i played tonight for 4 hours just doing jab/df+1 into sidestep block every time, and launching peoples shit, and the results are immediate. its like walking on a cloud, i dont even need the rest of my moveset until im up against a good player
Great info! Definitely one of my weaknesses but you explained when it’s best to sidestep. I was sort of guessing unless I was at enough of a distance when they start a string.
11:36 this was something that took me a bit of time to realise, I kept trying to use f3 (on lili ofc slowish homing mid) to counter people doing sidestep blocks in situations like after df1. Obviously it didnt work lol, I realised that wasn't the answer but this video really confirms that point heheh. Subbed.
@@nobacktalk heheh it is that burni hello! Ye I know how frustrating it can be as well, players who consistently do it well, do almost cause me to have to shift my entire game plan cause it just creates so many whiffs if you're not careful. Very cool that I in some way inspired this video (if that's not too self-absorbed of me to say 😭)
@@burni988 you definitely did along with a couple other people. sidestep blocking is just an insane move lol and it’s so risky to deal with in a rewarding way
Incredible video dude, tekken 8 is my first tekken and the knowledge i've gained throught this is insane ! i'll try to apply it on my games now thx bro
yoshi’s df1 is a goated move too. i use it a lot to start mixups. ENDERBORN said i need to poke and move way more. df1 and 1 gonna go a long way for that.
go with jin laser scraper but the one with forward thrust. the 2nd string is jailing if the 1st is block. its partial jailing. you can avoid it with fast crouch. but not all char have fast crouch animation that was almost unsee able crouch. if you can do it fast enough (the crouch) you can side step the 2nd hit, even better with a standing attack. lidia have the fastest crouch animation, compare to paul and raven. check it if you have time.
I was just thinking something like this video could be useful, it couldn't have been better timed. If I might ask something - the part of sidestepping that I've personally always struggled with is just getting my hands used to doing it quickly and fluidly (what I've always thought of as "how do the pro players move around like that"), so I wanted to ask: do you have any recommendations or routines on how to practice that part of it?
I am a beginner and I had heard of side step block on immediate timing before. But for me the block almost eliminates all chances for punishing something "small". E.g. if I just side step a df1 and hail-mary a launcher, I can launch. But if I want to be safe and side step block, there is not enough time to do a big punish (I sometimes can get a jab in). Am I just being too slow?
Yes that would imply that you are too slow to the opponent whiffing his immediate option after you sidestepped. You should be able to sidestep and launch if the follow up of the opponent whiffs. Go into the lab and try to set Dragunov to do single jab into df2 (his launcher). If you sidestep (his weak side is right) right after you blocked his jab you should be able to immediately launch him as he will whiff his launcher. Then you should set up dragunov to do jab into b3 (which is a homing move). try now to sidestep and immediately hold back to block the homing move after his jab. Next I would set up Dragunov to mix up both options. This will force you to visually confirm if he has whiffed the move or if he is using the homing move (which you should have blocked) Not only that, but this will make you practice both sidestepping and blocking and at the same time be able to launch the dragunov for a whiff. Hope that helps!
So Dvj df1 is -6 on block , so this is to mutch frame disavantage to try side step block ? I should do it after jab or down 3 ? What other moves i should considering as a poke to side step in my offense ? Thank you for your answer
@@Nihl3375 yeah, among other reasons. nina has ss1 too which is like +10 on block. both those chars have a safe whiff punish launcher which make them both extremely good as well
im one of the ppl permanently getting clipped by stuff while trying to ss bec i do ss button but the strings in this game realign mid execution, its annoying as hell imo... would you say it would be better advised to just ss block then? i mostly fear i'll miss my whiff punish window or shorten my ss too much by inputting b / ss block
You speak very clearly but I still don't get some things. Like in the other video you say don't worry about frames but then here you talk about the slowness of homing moves at i-16
How do you realign in neutral? I’ve tried dashing forward but I still get stepped sometimes. Also if you do a ff or wr move does that count as a dash to realign?
Also do you recommend single or double tapping when stepping? And what’s the difference? Sorry I have a lot of questions I’ve been meaning to ask someone lol
wavedash, ffb, backdash, any qcf stance dash. u can still get stepped if they re step during ur realign. i prefer double tap because it's what ive always done but it doesnt matter much outside of combos
Tekken King is intermediate? Wow I just reached Tekken King last week. I thought I was above intermediate once I got out of Bushin. But I guess even Tekken King isn't "good" yet. Lol
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Thanks for the detail breakdown. I am tired of these tekken old heads with 2-3 decades of game knowledge just telling me to "just side step bro' with zero explanation as to when and how.
Have you ever tried just using trial and error?
@@3ASY355 once you get too deep into something it’s hard to explain things that you have understood for a while
@@shaftmastr7753nigga doing the same thing he just complained about lmao, he prob did but come on bro a guide is much easier than using trial an error for each character, that each has 150 moves with varying level of tracking including to their weak sides
@@shaftmastr7753 Here it is again-your comment is basically like people saying, 'Just sidestep, bro.' I've tried trial and error, but as I mentioned, it's tough to know where to begin when you're brand new to the Tekken engine. That's why I appreciate this guy, he's really good at breaking down complex concepts and presenting them in a way that's easy for new players to understand.
@3ASY355 yeah dawg i started with tekken 8 too and like its not that complicated i literally just see a move and im like "hmm i wonder if i can side step here" and either it works or it doesnt. Its not rocket science. The ogs prolly tell you to "just side step" cuz thats how they learned and it works just fine
I know this subconsciously but I hearing it makes me realize it more, thanks man this is gold!
I’ve looked up advanced sidestepping guides for the last few weeks with no luck. Now you appear in my recommended and bless me with this amazing knowledge. I appreciate you sir, great video 🐐
this video is astounding. ive never heard a player describe the application of sidesteps with this sort of concise and goal-oriented explanation. too many guides just say to sidestep/block at around +3/-3, but not the why or the rationale. ive been playing tekken since t7 came out, and i never heard anyone properly articulate the perspective that jab > sidestep > block is the lowest risk way to create whiffs and set up advantage situations, and how much you really should be abusing it
i played tonight for 4 hours just doing jab/df+1 into sidestep block every time, and launching peoples shit, and the results are immediate. its like walking on a cloud, i dont even need the rest of my moveset until im up against a good player
@@alcratz im glad it helped!
Thanks man, I was looking for a video like this for years. You just advanced my rank like 6 steps forward or more.
VERY INFROMATIVE! thank you again for another beautiful guide on Tekken fundamentals!
Very helpful videi man, this is what the f i was looking for, you’re goated for this!
Very well made :3 Thank you
Amazing explanation thank you
killer guide noback. i appreciate it!
Thanks for this breakdown! I'm in the process of incorporating ss more effectively and this was a perfect reminder.
@@Deltaclaw i would encourage you to make it the basis of your offense
Great info! Definitely one of my weaknesses but you explained when it’s best to sidestep. I was sort of guessing unless I was at enough of a distance when they start a string.
11:36 this was something that took me a bit of time to realise, I kept trying to use f3 (on lili ofc slowish homing mid) to counter people doing sidestep blocks in situations like after df1. Obviously it didnt work lol, I realised that wasn't the answer but this video really confirms that point heheh. Subbed.
@@burni988 if this is the burni from the lili discord, playing vs you made me want to really study how to beat sidestep block lol
@@nobacktalk heheh it is that burni hello! Ye I know how frustrating it can be as well, players who consistently do it well, do almost cause me to have to shift my entire game plan cause it just creates so many whiffs if you're not careful. Very cool that I in some way inspired this video (if that's not too self-absorbed of me to say 😭)
@@burni988 you definitely did along with a couple other people. sidestep blocking is just an insane move lol and it’s so risky to deal with in a rewarding way
Incredible video dude, tekken 8 is my first tekken and the knowledge i've gained throught this is insane ! i'll try to apply it on my games now thx bro
so extremely helpful and simple, thank you!
thank you for the video, straight to the point and fun to watch)
@@wandoka9904 im glad, thats the style of video im going for. i dont like rambly tekken videos
Great vid! Def need to incorporate SS block into my neutral more
Earned a sub with this one. Also, answer my question on when to go for a launcher as well.
Phidx got lost in source when he put his side step video, no Shade to him, but this video generally help me understand how to ss in game XD
Amazing video thank you so mutch
Very helpful video @noback mate, thank you so much for this! ❤
fundamental explanation videos like this make learning Tekken fun and interesting
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Great video as a Lilly main i use SS every second to cause whiffs etc but this was a great video🙌🏾👏🏾
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yoshi mains are known for 2 things
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2) eating bone marrow butter
That shit is lit tho
yoshi’s df1 is a goated move too. i use it a lot to start mixups. ENDERBORN said i need to poke and move way more. df1 and 1 gonna go a long way for that.
go with jin laser scraper but the one with forward thrust. the 2nd string is jailing if the 1st is block. its partial jailing. you can avoid it with fast crouch.
but not all char have fast crouch animation that was almost unsee able crouch.
if you can do it fast enough (the crouch) you can side step the 2nd hit, even better with a standing attack.
lidia have the fastest crouch animation, compare to paul and raven.
check it if you have time.
dude is a great yoshi, met in the yoshi discord and whooped me lol! nice video.
U ve got yourself a sub, kind sir.
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when to sidestep. is all about to you're character match up knowledge and you're read to the player.
Sometimes they do a fast move so its ok to use the 10f to whiff punish
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Yo! Im Tekken king raven. Ive been seeing a lot of player side step even more.
I like ss after getting hit by a low because they are usually giving not much frames
I was just thinking something like this video could be useful, it couldn't have been better timed. If I might ask something - the part of sidestepping that I've personally always struggled with is just getting my hands used to doing it quickly and fluidly (what I've always thought of as "how do the pro players move around like that"), so I wanted to ask: do you have any recommendations or routines on how to practice that part of it?
try the demos i showed in the video
thanks for this video now i can improve my yoshimitsu)
your yoshimitsu already insane tho xd
keep at it roses, you will get there! 😆
Why do you think sidestep cancling is not so common, it was proven to be faster then Side walk for many characters.
Why do you recommend SS vs. sidewalk in T8? I've heard other players say the opposite so I'm curious what your reasoning is. Great video btw!
no idea why people say the opposite. if you get hit by a mid at sidewalk range, you get heat engaged. blocking is much safer
i learned something 😊
i'm dead for doing SS-block against wi-fi opponent
My issue with sidestepping is the timing
I am a beginner and I had heard of side step block on immediate timing before. But for me the block almost eliminates all chances for punishing something "small". E.g. if I just side step a df1 and hail-mary a launcher, I can launch. But if I want to be safe and side step block, there is not enough time to do a big punish (I sometimes can get a jab in). Am I just being too slow?
Yes that would imply that you are too slow to the opponent whiffing his immediate option after you sidestepped.
You should be able to sidestep and launch if the follow up of the opponent whiffs. Go into the lab and try to set Dragunov to do single jab into df2 (his launcher).
If you sidestep (his weak side is right) right after you blocked his jab you should be able to immediately launch him as he will whiff his launcher.
Then you should set up dragunov to do jab into b3 (which is a homing move).
try now to sidestep and immediately hold back to block the homing move after his jab.
Next I would set up Dragunov to mix up both options. This will force you to visually confirm if he has whiffed the move or if he is using the homing move (which you should have blocked)
Not only that, but this will make you practice both sidestepping and blocking and at the same time be able to launch the dragunov for a whiff.
Hope that helps!
@@iplay4us Thanks a ton for taking the time to write this detailed and super helpful response, I will try exactly this!
So Dvj df1 is -6 on block , so this is to mutch frame disavantage to try side step block ? I should do it after jab or down 3 ? What other moves i should considering as a poke to side step in my offense ? Thank you for your answer
@@Nihl3375 Yeah your df1 sucks lmao id reccomend using d3 d4 db2 and jab
@@nobacktalk so this why char like Nina , Shaheen are very good ? Because they have a strong df1 that they can side step block easy after ?
@@Nihl3375 yeah, among other reasons. nina has ss1 too which is like +10 on block. both those chars have a safe whiff punish launcher which make them both extremely good as well
@@Nihl3375Devil Jin’s best poke is cd4, shitty input but its -3 on block wich is good for setting up ss
im one of the ppl permanently getting clipped by stuff while trying to ss bec i do ss button but the strings in this game realign mid execution, its annoying as hell imo... would you say it would be better advised to just ss block then? i mostly fear i'll miss my whiff punish window or shorten my ss too much by inputting b / ss block
yes
You speak very clearly but I still don't get some things. Like in the other video you say don't worry about frames but then here you talk about the slowness of homing moves at i-16
cant stepblock homings on minus but can reliably stepblock them on plus
How do you realign in neutral? I’ve tried dashing forward but I still get stepped sometimes. Also if you do a ff or wr move does that count as a dash to realign?
Also do you recommend single or double tapping when stepping? And what’s the difference? Sorry I have a lot of questions I’ve been meaning to ask someone lol
wavedash, ffb, backdash, any qcf stance dash. u can still get stepped if they re step during ur realign. i prefer double tap because it's what ive always done but it doesnt matter much outside of combos
Tekken King is intermediate? Wow I just reached Tekken King last week. I thought I was above intermediate once I got out of Bushin. But I guess even Tekken King isn't "good" yet. Lol
dont let anyone on the internet decide how good you are at the game lol, as long as you're improving you're a strong player
@@nobacktalk I was being a little facetious but you're right.
Good video. Sadly nobody knows you and this is like the what? 100th sidestep guide on yt? So yeah.
@@CoolDima09 its chill i mostly
make these vids for myself
@@nobacktalk Respect. I create documents but only for advanced stuff I rarely see in guides like frame traps & setups, okizeme options and matchup knowledge.
My friends give the most worthless advice, this is perfect