The amount of character specific routes is actually crazy, you'd think he has a specific grudge against each member of the cast rather than just Saiyans.
i do think when they patch baby they will change the hurtbox on the returning ki blasts. getting multiple extensions out of 1 assist / skill is a tad too much and the hurtbox should fix that.
@@servebotfrank4082 what im pointing out is if the hitbox of the projectiles where larger/smaller they would work the same on the whole cast lol... hitbox*
@@servebotfrank4082 its not so much the rejump i was talking about but the assist. i tryed to find an example to link but i carnt find it and i dont have ui goku to just upload it. but ui gokus normals/supers do high damage. any char that's backed up by baby's A assist an extend 2 times from 1 assist giveing very high damage for 1 assist no little to no meter.
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Goku UI 3:37 4L4L M 8M 5M-LL 8M Base Vegeta 4L4L M 8M M L 8M Cell 4:52 LLL 8M LLL 8M Zamasu 5:16 LLL 8M L 8L Goku GT 2:53 4L4L M 8L 4L4L M 8L Teen Gohan 3:18 4L4L M 8L 4L4L 4M 8L
Now that you've spent an extensive amount of time in the lab with him, How do you feel about him overall? Where do you think he is best positioned? What things do you like/dislike about the character? I really have been enjoying some of his neutral gameplay with zoning. I think some of his buttons feel really bad to press, but his Shmix game feels really good to throw at people. Do you think you'll be running him tho? :) Thanks for the content and time you put in for us!
Overall i think he is a solid character with strong neutral and oki tools, but since his solo pressure isn't looking good imo he is most likely a point or a mid I usually stay away from characters who requires that many different routes for each sizes (his 2H jS loops routes for example) so i won't play him, but he is really fun, just not for me I really like his Ki blast moves, having a property that makes Ki Blast comeback makes it really interesting and open the doors for many possibilities combo wise or even setup on Oki etc, i'm sure combo artists like Clayton Chapman or Xiao will have a lot of fun with him in the lab The only things i really don't like about him are his blockstring and a few of his buttons, i don't like his 2L and 5M due their speed (yes 5M as a huge range but so does Hit's 5M and yet it's not as slow in close range but it is what it is) and i don't like the range of his 2M
@@KuwangerKRT Yes I agree about being Point or Mid even doing a lot of damage alone to open up the opponent is complicated but with assists his potential is so good
his jS has to whiff one of its hits but not the last one to be able to link 236L/M and keep the combo going after landing when the whiffed jS comes back, but each characters in this game have unique hurtbox animations in juggles (even SSGSS Goku is different from SSJ Goku, while they are technically the same model with a hair color swap) so you have to use different series of air normals to get the jS to whiffs
@@KuwangerKRT whaaat, that’s wild, I did not know SSJ and SSGSS Goku had different hurtbox animations. Why do you think they do that? Balancing reasons or just flair?
@@dominiccsanjay i'm not sure tbh, i don't think it's intended because for 90% of the time if a combo works on SSJ Goku it will on SSGSS Goku except for a few exception like here but i might be wrong, after all who knows how SSJ Goku & Blue Goku were modeled, i have always assumed that they were identical because they are basically the same model besides the hair color but it's not the case
Loving that you still do these types of videos! Ssj2 baby looks pretty tough to fight with all the Ki attacks. Also how does one keep playing for so long? I usually get mentally drained when playing one match tbh.
at 7:29 when you do the jm into the j2h into the js, im having trouble because whenever im about to land the js hes at a certain height where all the ki blasts hit him do you know what im doing wrong?
probably a dumb buff but i would like 236L/M to connect on whiff of the third key blast, wouldnt that fix the issue ? meh idk. but the character specifics is really a drag.
I feel bad for you, having to go through all those character specific ki blast combo extenders lol. Also, maybe a "does not work on" is better if the "works on" list is larger. Thats sorta better information grouping.
Kuwanger im doing the 2h gt goku combo, im doing it on vegtio im getting the same hits as you but the final jl before vanish is dropping is this combo not true anymore?
I wish the ki blast rebound gimmick would be more consistent. Super annoying to drop online because one of the fired ki blast just happened NOT to miss because of character size (which may not actually be different but they get different hit boxes anyways). Like come on. When everything is already a death sentence, I don't need another con. Basically have to keep it simple but at times it feels underwhelming. Not to mention that being a Vegeta and using ki blasts seem to shite on hit decay and damage. Character is cool and all but I think Kefla 5M will literally run through the start up on most of what he does.
Does anyone have any pointers as to how we can maximize our combo training with these guides? Looking at them at face value it's overwhelming to see all these different routes. Should I just try to learn a BnB for each position on the stage (mid-screen, full-screen, corner etc...)?
You should do the ones that look more basic first before trying the complicated ones, since you can do fullscreen combos everywhere (outside of his 2H loops, doesn't work in the corner) that's what you should learn first, once you can do fullscreen BnBs everywhere with no troubles you can move on to corner combos, midscreen to corner etc
If you can remember who it works on mid match yes, if not then ignore them, the 2H ones are really good but if you might drop them because you don't remember which route to do on who you might aswell stick with universal stuff
What do you mean for example in a combo: J236 L + M? You mean that we can do either L or M or you can perform L and M in the same combo like the rekkas from Gogeta Blue?
It’s easier on a fight stick to just hit the L and M buttons at the same time rather than use your pinky or whatever for the R1/RB or L1/LB buttons on the far right side.
Notations and timestamps:
Midscreen
0:22 2M 5M jMH j2H SD jLLL djLL j2L (4250)
0:29 xx SD jLLL djLL j2H jS j2L (4559)
0:35 xx SD jLLL djLLL j214M (4591)
0:42 xx SD jLLL djLLL j236M j236L+M (5197, 4417 before supers)
0:50 xx SD jLLL djLLL j214M j236L+M dl A1 (5317, 4559 before supers)
0:55 xx SD jLLL djLLL j214M dl vanish(whiff) 214H+S (6588, 4559 before super)
1:01 jML 5LL 2M 5M sj4LLMH j2H SD jLLL djLL j2L (3505)
1:30 2M 5M jMH j2H SD jLLL djLLL j214S vanish 214M(whiff) jLLL j2L (4995)
1:52 2M 5M jMH j2H SD jLLL djLLL j214M vanish [jDR] (5022)
2:05 5M 2M 5H dl SD 66 jM 669 jLLL djLL j2L (4095)
2:13 5M 2M 5S 5H dl SD 66 jM 669 jLLL djLL j2L (3765)
2:21 5M 2M 5H dl SD 66 jM 669 jLLL djLM j2H jS j236M 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S [jDR] (5373)
2:37 jML 5LL 5M 2M 5H SD jH djLM j2H jS j236M 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S jS [jDR] (4165)
2:53 2H SD jMLL dj8L jS j236M 2S SD j4LLM dj8L jS j236M 3S SD jLLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5340)
3:10 xx 3S SD jLL j214L j236L+M (5673, 4893 before supers)
3:18 2H SD j4LLM dj8L jS j236M 3S SD j4LLM dj8L jS j236M 3S SD jLLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5280)
3:35 2H SD j4LLM j8M jS j236M 2S (3S on some characters) SD jMLL dj8M jS j236M 3S SD jLL j214S dl vanish 214M (5363)
3:53 xx 3S SD j214L j236L+M (5643, 4863 before supers)
4:00 2H SD j4LLM dj8M jS j236M 2S SD jML dj8M jS j236M 3S SD jLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5303)
4:34 2H SD jLML dj8M jS j236M 2S SD jML dj8M jS j236M 3S SD jLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5333)
4:51 2H SD jLLL dj8M jS j236M 2S SD jLLL dj8M jS j236M 3S SD j214S vanish 66 214M (5490)
5:09 xx 3S 214L j236L+M (5890, 5110 before supers)
5:15 2H SD jLLL dj8M jS j236M 2S SD jL dj8L jS j236M 3S SD jLLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5505)
5:32 2H SD jL dj8L jS j236M 2S SD jL dj8L jS j236M 3S SD jLLL djLL j214L vanish [jDR] (4922)
5:49 2H SD jMLL dj8L j4L jS j236M 3S SD jMLL dj8L j4L jS j236M 3S SD j214S vanish 66 214M (5173)
6:06 2H SD jML dj8L j4L jS j236M 2S SD jML dj8M jS j236M 3S SD jLLL j214S dl vanish 66 214M (5325)
6:31 2H SD jL dj8L jS j236M 2S SD jLLL djLL j2L (3682)
6:41 2H SD j4LLM dj8M jS j236M 2S SD jLLL djLL j2L (4244)
6:51 2H SD jML dj8L j4L jS j236M 3S SD jLLL djLL j2L (4154)
7:01 jH jLLL j2H SD jLLL djLL j2L (3335)
7:09 SD jM dl jH 2S 2M 5M 5H dl SD 66 jM 669 jLLL djLL j2L (3230)
Post vanish
7:20 5S vanish 2M 5M 5H 3S SD jLLL djLL j2L (2270)
Corner
7:29 2M 5M 236M dl 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jM j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S jS [jDR] (6058)
7:45 xx jS [jDR] 214H+S (8055, 6058 before supers)
8:02 jML 5LL 2M 236M 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jM j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S [jDR] (4354)
8:18 jML 5LL 2M 236M 5M 5H 3S SD jM j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S jS [jDR] (4374)
8:34 2M 5M 236M dl 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jMH djLL j2H jS j236L 6S 214S jS 3S 214L+M IAD jM (7608, 5845 before supers)
9:04 2M 5M 236M 2M 5H 2S SD jMH djLL j2H jS j236L 6S 214S jS 3S 214L+M IAD jM (7398, 5716 before supers)
9:22 2M 5M 236M dl 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jMH djLL j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 3S 2S 214M (6377)
9:46 2M 5M 236M dl 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jMH djLL j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 3S 2S 214S vanish 66 5LLL 214M 214L+M (10074, 8380 before supers)
10:16 jML 5LL 2M 236M 2M 5H 2S SD jM djML j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 3S 2S 214M (4526)
10:31 2H SD dl jH djM j2H jS j236M 1S SD dl jM j2H jS j236M 6S 214S 3S 2S 214M (5584)
10:47 2H SD dl jH djML j2H jS j236M 1S SD dl jM j2H jS j236M 6S 214S jS [jDR] (5117)
Assist combo example
11:02 5M 2M 5H dl SD 66 jM 669 jLLL djLLL j236M GTG_B 6S 214S 2S 214S jS [jDR]
11:18 2M 5M jMH j2H SD jLLL djLLL j214S BLK_A 66 6S 214S jS [jDR] j214L+M
11:37 2H SD jMLL dj8L jS j236M 2S SD j4LLM dj8L jS j236M 3S SD jLL j236L GKN_A 669 [jDR] 214H+S
12:04 2M 5M jMH j2H SD jLLL djLLL j236M GTK_B 66 3S SD jLLL djLL j236L VTO_A j214S vanish 66 214M j236L+M
12:26 2M 5M 236M dl 2M 5M 5H 2S SD jM j2H jS j236L 6S 214S 2S 6S 214S j236L BGK_A j236L VGT_A [DR] 214M dl j236L+M
Thanks
You da goat bout to start practicing this, been waiting for your guide
Thanks for all your hard work buddy
thanks so much for this
Do you have any notations for the sonic fox rejump combo off 5H from far screen?
On the combo at 11:02, did you add a 6S after the 2S?
The amount of character specific routes is actually crazy, you'd think he has a specific grudge against each member of the cast rather than just Saiyans.
all of this character specific stuff is the reason why I only do the generic loops that work for every character lmao
to be honest lmao
Yea fuck learning character specific shit 😭
This I can relate to
Man I could not imagine myself grinding every single midscreen 2H combo like that. Kuwanger's the goat for even mentioning those.
i do think when they patch baby they will change the hurtbox on the returning ki blasts. getting multiple extensions out of 1 assist / skill is a tad too much and the hurtbox should fix that.
@@D34DF0X17 That would be dumb considering that these rejumps are hard as fuck and they don't work on the entire cast.
@@servebotfrank4082 what im pointing out is if the hitbox of the projectiles where larger/smaller they would work the same on the whole cast lol...
hitbox*
@@servebotfrank4082 its not so much the rejump i was talking about but the assist. i tryed to find an example to link but i carnt find it and i dont have ui goku to just upload it. but ui gokus normals/supers do high damage. any char that's backed up by baby's A assist an extend 2 times from 1 assist giveing very high damage for 1 assist no little to no meter.
@@D34DF0X17 you can do the same with piccolo assist
We going baby on baby
I refused to touch this character until you made a combo video...Thanks GOAT
Yeah I looked at other videos so I learned the wrong bnbs and loops so now I have to RELEARN this character :(
(Still maining him tho idc)
I have been waiting for this video a long time
2 days lmao but yeah I get you
@@WigglyJigs1 That my friend is what I call “impatience”
I appreciate the character specific stuff a lot. This is why you’re the goat for this game
Baby is probably the most fun dlc character they released no cap
Yessirrrr this is what we needed 🙌🙌🙌
Sir I been waiting on his since Saturday lol great job once more need help with one thing
I can’t seem to do the part @ 2:28 when the key blast comes back after u come down
@@DarkRedX19 try doing m and then j2h in to kiblast and light slame
You are a true legend. Even did size specific combos.
I find it hilarious that the 3 vegetas actually need different variations lmao i thought they had the same model
Glad my 3S->2S link is so handy! Great vid!
character specific : the character
we've been mashing combos online , but now we can finally do combos thanks to the god that is kuwanger
Best quality content in terms of tutorial out of all sites! Always very detailed and gives credit where it's due. Everyone should be subscribed that play DBFZ.
SB2 Outro will never get old. Just saiyan 🤷♂️
I’ve been waiting for this😁
No cap if I’m gonna play baby imma have to write notes so right before I start a match I can look and see what combos work for who😂
1:52 (Mid Screen)
2:37 (Mid Screen)
7:09 (SD)
7:29 (Corner)
8:02 (Corner)
9:04 (Corner)
9:22 (Corner)
10:16 (Corner)
10:31 (Corner)
10:47 (Corner)
12:04 (Mid Screen)(Assist)
12:26 (Corner)(Assist)(TOD)
Goku UI 3:37
4L4L M 8M
5M-LL 8M
Base Vegeta
4L4L M 8M
M L 8M
Cell 4:52
LLL 8M
LLL 8M
Zamasu 5:16
LLL 8M
L 8L
Goku GT 2:53
4L4L M 8L
4L4L M 8L
Teen Gohan 3:18
4L4L M 8L
4L4L 4M 8L
I’m about to rip my hair out I’m so frustrated. I can’t get S to combo into 236m at all
I love your vids they help a lot, literally when baby came out I was waiting for you to post this, let’s goooo😄
Anyone else skipped literally all of the other combo vids and waited for this one?
Estaba esperando este video, los mejores combos estan aqui
*3:18* dekillsage in shambles rn
Dekillsage doesent play tohan anymore
@@senilevideoenjoyer Tohan? is that the next dlc?
@@pandafights2win405 means teen gohan
Gogeta (SS4) uses the 2H route at 3:35
Use 2s after the first 236m
Same goes for Android 21 (Lab Coat)
bro i been waiting for this thank you so much
I’ve been waiting on this since he dropped😭😭😭😭😭🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Oohhh i was waiting for this! Thanks bro you are the best!
Underrated channel needs more subs
Now that you've spent an extensive amount of time in the lab with him, How do you feel about him overall? Where do you think he is best positioned? What things do you like/dislike about the character? I really have been enjoying some of his neutral gameplay with zoning. I think some of his buttons feel really bad to press, but his Shmix game feels really good to throw at people. Do you think you'll be running him tho? :) Thanks for the content and time you put in for us!
Overall i think he is a solid character with strong neutral and oki tools, but since his solo pressure isn't looking good imo he is most likely a point or a mid
I usually stay away from characters who requires that many different routes for each sizes (his 2H jS loops routes for example) so i won't play him, but he is really fun, just not for me
I really like his Ki blast moves, having a property that makes Ki Blast comeback makes it really interesting and open the doors for many possibilities combo wise or even setup on Oki etc, i'm sure combo artists like Clayton Chapman or Xiao will have a lot of fun with him in the lab
The only things i really don't like about him are his blockstring and a few of his buttons, i don't like his 2L and 5M due their speed (yes 5M as a huge range but so does Hit's 5M and yet it's not as slow in close range but it is what it is) and i don't like the range of his 2M
@@KuwangerKRT Yes I agree about being Point or Mid even doing a lot of damage alone to open up the opponent is complicated but with assists his potential is so good
1:43 i can do a little bit delay between 214S and vanish and not land jL. It's easier.
I've been waiting for your vid dude
You are great!! The best RUclips channel to learn!!!
Been waiting for this!!!!!
I saw baby and i was like:
FRANCHESCO FIUUUUUU
I have been waiting for this
The video I have been waiting for
Why he has so much issues with his hitboxes man...
his jS has to whiff one of its hits but not the last one to be able to link 236L/M and keep the combo going after landing when the whiffed jS comes back, but each characters in this game have unique hurtbox animations in juggles (even SSGSS Goku is different from SSJ Goku, while they are technically the same model with a hair color swap) so you have to use different series of air normals to get the jS to whiffs
@@KuwangerKRT whaaat, that’s wild, I did not know SSJ and SSGSS Goku had different hurtbox animations. Why do you think they do that? Balancing reasons or just flair?
@@dominiccsanjay probably a mix of both
@@KuwangerKRT that's sooo dumb. Not gonna soebd hours grinding 10 different strings to then just get confused by it all in a match.
@@dominiccsanjay i'm not sure tbh, i don't think it's intended because for 90% of the time if a combo works on SSJ Goku it will on SSGSS Goku except for a few exception like here but i might be wrong, after all who knows how SSJ Goku & Blue Goku were modeled, i have always assumed that they were identical because they are basically the same model besides the hair color but it's not the case
Oof, my poor fingers trying to learn these combos. Still though Baby is flashy AF, gonna main him
2:57 I don't understand how you make the boomerang ki blast appear before you do 2S. These loop combos won't work for me.
What an amazing work dude 🙂👍🏻
finally, thx a lot bro
I’m so frustrated with s into 236m at 2:54 it only seems to cancel into 236m at 1/10 of the time for me
3:42 How do you get a Bit of the ki blast to leave so it can home in own him later.
I was waiting for this
The video I was waiting for
He really helped my main team combos
No bnb no baby 👍⚡thanks! I was desapointed about this caracter but U changed my mind🙏
This character dumps damage like crazy
Amazing work man, thanks for teaching us so much.
Kuwanger KRT
The exaggerated swagger of a Baby
Clayton combos go 😳
This is the funnest character to play
Loving that you still do these types of videos! Ssj2 baby looks pretty tough to fight with all the Ki attacks. Also how does one keep playing for so long? I usually get mentally drained when playing one match tbh.
I just love Dragon Ball so much that i can play these kind of games forever
7:29 the second 2s doesn't land for some reason
I’m having the same issue. Literally came here to read the comments and see if anyone commented a solution.
at 7:29 when you do the jm into the j2h into the js, im having trouble because whenever im about to land the js hes at a certain height where all the ki blasts hit him do you know what im doing wrong?
for some reason when I do the scaled version of corner combo(8:02) the DR Drops every time. do you have any advice
probably a dumb buff but i would like 236L/M to connect on whiff of the third key blast, wouldnt that fix the issue ? meh idk. but the character specifics is really a drag.
WE GOING BABY ON BABY
Thank you for this!
Good, good work friend ;)
Hey @Kuwanger KRT do you got on your hands a rejump fullscreen with assist dealing more than 5300 dmg without super?
Kuwanger you're literally my father.
With the route for vegeta blue I don’t see you air jumping with the light medium. I’m double jumping but the returning ki blast won’t come out
YERRR
I feel bad for you, having to go through all those character specific ki blast combo extenders lol.
Also, maybe a "does not work on" is better if the "works on" list is larger. Thats sorta better information grouping.
im pretty new to the game, so i may be wrong on this but i was able to add a j2s before the j2l
but at the same time im practicng said combo against a pretty big character so yeah lol
just practiced against gotenks and it still works
Thank goodness now i can learn de optinal stuff
Finally here!
Me wondering why the combo would work
Then noticing I was practicing it on gohan adult
Wait so if I wanted to end the ToD with Monkee lvl 3 instead because I have more bar, would it drop?
Ima week late, but IDGAF, I NEED THIS bc Baby loops hard asf
Kuwanger im doing the 2h gt goku combo, im doing it on vegtio im getting the same hits as you but the final jl before vanish is dropping is this combo not true anymore?
i find it impossible to do the air combos with baby vegeta his Up b is weird
Some moves have been nerfed righted ? I tried to do the ⬇️S but the balls don't come back to follow up with combo
I just got baby and haven’t experienced this idk if it’s been good patched but he can’t do combos in certain characters which might make me mad
Hi, quite a noob in this game and playing on ps4, how do i transition into a level 3 super? I can only transition into a level 1 super.
we going baby on baby 👀
I cant never land a 3S, the character does not execute the action no matter what
I can never land the j lp after the first rejump. Anyone have any idea or tip on how to?
Rejumping is so hard you make it look so easy
It all comes down to consistent practice, i used to struggle with them too when i tried them for the first few weeks a year or 2 ago
finally thank youuuu
3:40 how the fuck does this combo work on goku ssj but not goku ssg? Isn’t it literally the same character but reskinned?
Let’s goooo
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
11:55 SUPA GYARIKKU HO
LETS GOOOOO
I wish the ki blast rebound gimmick would be more consistent. Super annoying to drop online because one of the fired ki blast just happened NOT to miss because of character size (which may not actually be different but they get different hit boxes anyways). Like come on. When everything is already a death sentence, I don't need another con. Basically have to keep it simple but at times it feels underwhelming. Not to mention that being a Vegeta and using ki blasts seem to shite on hit decay and damage. Character is cool and all but I think Kefla 5M will literally run through the start up on most of what he does.
I definitely agree. Baby can certainly do damage, but that's meaningless if his main gimmick is inconsistent.
WHEN DO WE GET THE NEW BABY VIDEO?
Does his rejumps work only on small characters?
Does anyone have any pointers as to how we can maximize our combo training with these guides? Looking at them at face value it's overwhelming to see all these different routes. Should I just try to learn a BnB for each position on the stage (mid-screen, full-screen, corner etc...)?
You should do the ones that look more basic first before trying the complicated ones, since you can do fullscreen combos everywhere (outside of his 2H loops, doesn't work in the corner) that's what you should learn first, once you can do fullscreen BnBs everywhere with no troubles you can move on to corner combos, midscreen to corner etc
@@KuwangerKRT Thanks, I appreciate the help!
Baby is the reason i got to orange square
this character makes me want to gouge my eyes out
I already put him on my main team with Gotenks and Z Broly
Is it worth learning the non universal routes
If you can remember who it works on mid match yes, if not then ignore them, the 2H ones are really good but if you might drop them because you don't remember which route to do on who you might aswell stick with universal stuff
@@KuwangerKRT gotcha thank you
I’d probably just learn UI and Brolys route because they’re the ones you’ll most likely see every match
@@n0_body7741 thats what i was thinking
u started the second combo differently somehow and the damage output is different than what u were talking about
What do you mean for example in a combo: J236 L + M? You mean that we can do either L or M or you can perform L and M in the same combo like the rekkas from Gogeta Blue?
It means you hit L and M at the same time, which is just a shortcut for R1/RB
It’s easier on a fight stick to just hit the L and M buttons at the same time rather than use your pinky or whatever for the R1/RB or L1/LB buttons on the far right side.
what could it take for me to get a match against you i really wanna learn the rejump but i feel like its hard on controller for ps4
Thank you.
for some reason my is doesn't miss sometimes at 9:09
I was deleyaing the super dash