I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on. -- Battle Hymn of the Republic
Also, in the Old Testament, God commanded the temple to be built ornately. In the early Church, the faithful were persecuted and could not build ornate Churches in which to say Mass. However, when the Church was no longer being persecuted, it restored the use of gold etc unto its proper use- the glory of God. Thus, given the presence of God Himself on the altar, it stands to reason that it should be even more glorifying, than those used in the Old Law.
WONDERFUL! You are the very lifeblood of the Church! I beg you, keep it up! As long as there will be you will be the Faith! "When the Son of Man returns will he find faith on earth?" (Luke 18:1-8)
They did an amazing job on that altar! We do something similar at the Tridentine Latin Mass in Seattle (North American Martyrs Parish), but this French Parish really took it over the top! Bon travail mes amies!
The altar in a traditional church has the tabernacle front and center. The tabernacle on the altar serves as a throne and should be suitable for Our Lord who is present; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. You are young. The "altar as a table" is a new concept. It is an altar of sacrifice, and has been so since the earliest days of the church. Look and learn child. God willing, the Extraordinary Form of the mass will signal a return of awe and reverence in the mass you have grown up with.
Some thoughts: an altar is an altar and not a table. The Sacrifice of the Mass takes place on an altar and Our Lord dwells in His tabernacle, hence the natural unity of altar and tabernacle, the latter being secured to the former and not put somewhere else - this is important. The cross, candles and flowers are all on the gradine, NOT the altar - this is also important. I am a member of the FSSP and we are growing rapidly in number. Please consider joining wherever you are in the world.
Beautiful. I think we owe our God and King our best. If all you have is a humble, free-standing wooden altar, then God shall honour that as if it were gold. But if we have more, we should give it to the Lord. If we cannot decorate the altar at which bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then I am of the opinion that we cannot, in good conscience, decorate anything.
"Who would not be fearful at the present condition of the Christian people? . . . We have undertaken the task of guarding and protecting the Church at a time when many plots are laid against orthodox religion, when the safe guidance of the sacred canons is rashly despised, and when confusion is spread wide by men maddened by a monstrous desire of innovation, who attack the very bases of rational nature and attempt to overthrow them?" Pius VI, Encyclical "Inscrutabile" (1775)
In cases of dire necessity, a Mass can be said on a "make-shift" altar, providing it is prepared fittingly. Even the older "makeshift" altars used on battlegrounds etc, had an altar stone and contained the relics of saints, just like all high altars. Anyway, the high altar has been replaced by a free-standing "table altar" in most churches, which presents problems, e.g. the direction it faces, the location of the tabernacle etc.
"To separate tabernacle from altar is to separate two things which by their origin and their nature should remain united." --Pope Pius XII Try to explain away that one.
Many modernists, under the guise of restoring older traditions, say that Churches should be less ornate, and that the use of marble and guild should give way to wood etc. The error of this proposal is apparent, if we were to follow their advise we would end up in the catachombs, or in drab ungoldly protestant worship halls. We can give God our best, and since it is God Himself on the altar, he deserves our very best. St Francis had not a shoe on his foot, yet spared no expense at the altar.
now THIS is what an altar should be! i could cry my heart out to see what we are missing out on in having to look at the shells of sanctuaries foisted upon us, not to mention the horns, drums, flutes, pianos & clapping that goes on...its disgusting & beyond sad...i envy those parishioners who are blessed with tradition & the REAL Mass of the ages, not the protestant mass that is what is forced down our throats...
Ms Alice Be careful about that. There are some “protestant” congregations that are more reverent and ritualistic than many Roman Catholic ones. ruclips.net/video/oUos1u2vbyQ/видео.html
"Inscrutabile" An encyclical written when priests were priests, the Classical Liturgy reigned supreme, seminaries were full, and religious orders were healthy. Yet, even then, there have been those trying to ruin Christ's work. Even now, they still exist.
I have been wanting to go visit the new FSSP parish in Seattle since it was announced. I am up in Bellingham and there is no traditional Mass of any affiliation that I know of north of Seattle. Indeed, I have never been to a traditional Mass. How sad. Some day I'll find a way to attend Mass there!
The link to this video is in the signature of all my emails. Who wouldn't want to share beauty like this. I think the Pope's recent Mass in the Sistine Chapel "ad orientem" (facing the same direction as the congregation) may help old churches restore the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to the beautiful High Altars that have sat unused for a generation.
(Thank you, Michael Davies R.I.P.). We're talking about an altar duly consecrated and anointed by a bishop of the Catholic Church -- not an Anglican. So, I don't see the point of "Bishop" Ridley's comment.
our church has the old high altar and we refurbished it with new paint when we rennovated the church, but they might have taken the marble off the table top I dont know if they did or not, it could have been wood all along for all I know, they used to use a cloth over it for years, now they just got lazy and never put it back on when they washed it. I know one of the origanal altars top is cut up and lined on the inside of the altar, father says we could not do a old rite, but I disagree.
"The form of a table shall more move the simple from the superstitious opinions of the popish Mass unto the right use of the Lord's Supper. For the use of an altar is to make sacrifice upon it; the use of a table is to serve for men to eat upon." --Nicholas Ridley, anglican "bishop" of London, 1550
Note Pope Pius XII's comment: wishing the altar to be restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform -- meaning that part of the altar is traditionally a table. And, that is in fact what the part of the altar is called upon which the Sacrifice is offered: the table (mensa) -- not altaria.
Even in the Churches which remain Traditional (not for the lack of trying to modernise them) it is sad to see the removal of the High Altar, or if it remains, it is ignored and a Table is set in front of it. Very disprespectful!
It went from being in the style of the 1990s (sleek, minimal, clean, humble) to very 2020s (busy, distracting, expensive). However, the finished design is very pretty.
My parish has a completely separate chapel just for the tabernacle. Most church's no longer have the tabernacle facing the congregation in the old roman style basilica architecture. I can certainly appreciate BOTH Tridentine Mass, and the post Vatican II Mass.
"It is an accusation which brings great confusion on us that some men both offer and lay the Lord's Body on a dirty altar cloth and . . . fearlessly place the Body of the Savior in a vessel which no lord, worm though he is, would put to his own lips!" St. Peter Damian, Letter 14 Wasn't this during the time of the Classical Roman Rite?
Here's a sure way to get them there: start up an SSPX chapel, a sedevacantist chapel down the street, and an independant chapel a ways further off. They'll get the FSSP there pronto!
"One would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings...
"Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you" No less Catholic than Garrigou-Lagrange, who wrote that such spiritual gifts are a normal part of the spiritual life. To paraphrase St. Augustine, one may have the tabernacle "front and center" in his church, but never except in the Catholic Church can that one find salvation (Sermo ad ecclesiae Caesariensis plebem, 6).
Oh, BTW: This is a consecrated altar in a consecrated church. Yet, notice how no one BOWS to the altar when passing infront. Tradition -- Traddies are big on it -- stipulates one should bow (at least) before an altar on which no tabernacle is reposed. But, they show no respect to this symbol of Christ.
The saddest thing about this is that it was so easily done and priests, who in "the spirit of Vatican II", still refuse to make the altars upon which the Holy Sacrifice is offered more acceptable to the Mystery of the Body and Blood.
...and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See." --Pope Pius XII Mediator Dei
Only if you will explain why the same pope, Pius XII, would then celebrate Mass on an altar with no tabernacle, as he often did in St. Peter's. See for yourself: hallowedgroundwordpresscom/2007/07/09/unto-the-altar-of-god/ Or -- psst! -- maybe he was a closet Modernist after all! (He wasn't, but some think so)
Unfortunately nowadays, this describes most Catholic Churches. Lets hope they return to Tradition, and reject Modernism in Doctrines, Liturgy and Architecture.
I hope pope benedict lives to be 110, that way, he can better exicute the reform of the reform. I'm perticularly ashamed of modern achatecture. I want more churches that look like churches instead of warehouses or spaceships.
A woman shouldn't be allowed in the sanctuary. Period. They shouldn't even be allowed to be in the choir. The choir, like the altar servers, and liturgical overseers should ALL be male.
Some comments here caming from people that dont know nothing about spirituality of traditions of the Church.That very sad.Thanks to the new Pope that want to bring back our truly catholic traditions after the abomination from Vatican II.Pax.
" . . . were he to wish the altar restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform" Surely, you are not claiming that a pope can deny Catholics the right to follow an immemorial tradition? Or, does a Pope get to decide which traditions are immemorial and praiseworthy -- and, hence, should continue -- and which are not? White is traditional vestment color; black wasn't color until 13th century! (See Catholic Encyclopedia, "Liturgical Colours") Who got to decide to CHANGE tradition by adding black?
Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you. I don't speak for them. I will say, however, that I always genuflect to the tabernacle. I don't have to worry about bowing because the true church that I attend always has the tabernacle front and center. As for the ones who don't bow to the table, I guess that contradiction is the result of them being yoked with evil.
"The rest" (flowers, altar cards, reredos) is personal choice, not necessarily Catholic. The altar already accommodated a Tridentine celebration. I'm sure the altar wasn't so minimalist until things started to be removed (candles, linens) . . . in order to simply put them back again for the Old Liturgy! C'mon.
I think that a consecrated altar ALREADY serves God's glory: There's no need for a faux tabernacle and a fake reredos. A cross is suspended behind the altar, and presumably linens and candles were there as well before the "altar-ation." But, still not "just so" for the Traddie mindset which had to replace the Novus Ordo abomination. I love the FSSP -- but, puh-leez.
Surely you can understand the difference between what is done in dire necessity versus the ideal? Technically, you *can* raise a family living in a back alley ... or you can do it in a proper home in a secure neighborhood. Which of these options is superior ... or does it even matter? I don't really understand your logic here, pal ...
Gloria in Excelsis Deo, the FSSP, SSPX are all worthy of praise, the Tridentine Mass is the most beatiful thing on earth, what a treasure we have.
Watching in August 2020. Beautiful!
Bravo! Restore the Old Mass!
merveilleux
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.
-- Battle Hymn of the Republic
Amazing. Just the way these men and women build this alter presentation is a prayer to god..I think
21 modernists disliked this video
Now at 26 but 502 like it.
Also, in the Old Testament, God commanded the temple to be built ornately. In the early Church, the faithful were persecuted and could not build ornate Churches in which to say Mass.
However, when the Church was no longer being persecuted, it restored the use of gold etc unto its proper use- the glory of God. Thus, given the presence of God Himself on the altar, it stands to reason that it should be even more glorifying, than those used in the Old Law.
Cool video. The altar goes from looking Protestant to looking Catholic by the end of the video.
That is awesome!! Nice to see that people value the TLM enough to help make this possible in their parish.
WONDERFUL! You are the very lifeblood of the Church! I beg you, keep it up! As long as there will be you will be the Faith!
"When the Son of Man returns will he find faith on earth?" (Luke 18:1-8)
Excellent. I wish every ugly altar could be so transformed.
They did an amazing job on that altar! We do something similar at the Tridentine Latin Mass in Seattle (North American Martyrs Parish), but this French Parish really took it over the top! Bon travail mes amies!
Boy I really love those guys. On a scale of 10, I give to those guys a 12 . God bless those humble guys. Deus lo vult !
wish this could happen at our church!
The altar in a traditional church has the tabernacle front and center. The tabernacle on the altar serves as a throne and should be suitable for Our Lord who is present; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
You are young. The "altar as a table" is a new concept. It is an altar of sacrifice, and has been so since the earliest days of the church. Look and learn child. God willing, the Extraordinary Form of the mass will signal a return of awe and reverence in the mass you have grown up with.
Next week on "Trad my Church", Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles, CA!
Some thoughts: an altar is an altar and not a table. The Sacrifice of the Mass takes place on an altar and Our Lord dwells in His tabernacle, hence the natural unity of altar and tabernacle, the latter being secured to the former and not put somewhere else - this is important. The cross, candles and flowers are all on the gradine, NOT the altar - this is also important.
I am a member of the FSSP and we are growing rapidly in number. Please consider joining wherever you are in the world.
Beautiful. I think we owe our God and King our best. If all you have is a humble, free-standing wooden altar, then God shall honour that as if it were gold. But if we have more, we should give it to the Lord.
If we cannot decorate the altar at which bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then I am of the opinion that we cannot, in good conscience, decorate anything.
-wow!! Beautiful indeed! I wish my parish church had a high altar-
Looking at this video, it's only a few altar-ations away!
If only every free-standing altar could be so transformed at least every Sunday! I want my own altar-ation kit!!!
"Who would not be fearful at the present condition of the Christian people? . . . We have undertaken the task of guarding and protecting the Church at a time when many plots are laid against orthodox religion, when the safe guidance of the sacred canons is rashly despised, and when confusion is spread wide by men maddened by a monstrous desire of innovation, who attack the very bases of rational nature and attempt to overthrow them?"
Pius VI, Encyclical "Inscrutabile" (1775)
Amen. All these videos on the Tridentine Mass and someone finally said it. Thanks. :D
Espetacular!
that is just too cool how they did that! love it
Bellissimo, ristora l'anima.
Bravi
In cases of dire necessity, a Mass can be said on a "make-shift" altar, providing it is prepared fittingly. Even the older "makeshift" altars used on battlegrounds etc, had an altar stone and contained the relics of saints, just like all high altars.
Anyway, the high altar has been replaced by a free-standing "table altar" in most churches, which presents problems, e.g. the direction it faces, the location of the tabernacle etc.
I Love It. Its better to see them doing this way than vice versa.
And THAT is how you do it :)
I love the holy water pail on the floor, on the right: very liturgical!
wow!! Beautiful indeed! I wish my parish church had a high altar.
I want a portable High Altar kit! Nice job.
"To separate tabernacle from altar is to separate two things which by their origin and their nature should remain united."
--Pope Pius XII
Try to explain away that one.
Many modernists, under the guise of restoring older traditions, say that Churches should be less ornate, and that the use of marble and guild should give way to wood etc. The error of this proposal is apparent, if we were to follow their advise we would end up in the catachombs, or in drab ungoldly protestant worship halls.
We can give God our best, and since it is God Himself on the altar, he deserves our very best. St Francis had not a shoe on his foot, yet spared no expense at the altar.
Beautiful!
now THIS is what an altar should be! i could cry my heart out to see what we are missing out on in having to look at the shells of sanctuaries foisted upon us, not to mention the horns, drums, flutes, pianos & clapping that goes on...its disgusting & beyond sad...i envy those parishioners who are blessed with tradition & the REAL Mass of the ages, not the protestant mass that is what is forced down our throats...
Ms Alice Be careful about that. There are some “protestant” congregations that are more reverent and ritualistic than many Roman Catholic ones. ruclips.net/video/oUos1u2vbyQ/видео.html
"Inscrutabile"
An encyclical written when priests were priests, the Classical Liturgy reigned supreme, seminaries were full, and religious orders were healthy.
Yet, even then, there have been those trying to ruin Christ's work. Even now, they still exist.
At least I'd like to appreciate them for their effort of preserving the TLM. ...... Proficiat.
I have been wanting to go visit the new FSSP parish in Seattle since it was announced. I am up in Bellingham and there is no traditional Mass of any affiliation that I know of north of Seattle. Indeed, I have never been to a traditional Mass. How sad.
Some day I'll find a way to attend Mass there!
Greetings ❤❤❤❤❤
The link to this video is in the signature of all my emails. Who wouldn't want to share beauty like this. I think the Pope's recent Mass in the Sistine Chapel "ad orientem" (facing the same direction as the congregation) may help old churches restore the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to the beautiful High Altars that have sat unused for a generation.
(Thank you, Michael Davies R.I.P.).
We're talking about an altar duly consecrated and anointed by a bishop of the Catholic Church -- not an Anglican. So, I don't see the point of "Bishop" Ridley's comment.
I don't know why but I got a little misty-eyed watching this.
Amen!
Realmente, a reforma liturgica mais empobreceu do que dignificou o santo sacrificio da missa.
Laudetur Iesus
At least I'd like to appreciate them for their effort of preserving the TLM. Proficiat.
our church has the old high altar and we refurbished it with new paint when we rennovated the church, but they might have taken the marble off the table top I dont know if they did or not, it could have been wood all along for all I know, they used to use a cloth over it for years, now they just got lazy and never put it back on when they washed it. I know one of the origanal altars top is cut up and lined on the inside of the altar, father says we could not do a old rite, but I disagree.
From the ridiculous to the sublime. To bad every post office table in every Roman Catholic Church in America can't receive this altar-ation.
What took 30 years to damage, just took 15 minutes to repair. May God Bless The FSSP. Benedict XVI will be made Saint!
@catholics4unity AMEN! thank God that Pope Benedict is making everything clear
Wonderful. One crucifix too many, it's true. And that one last fellow should have genuflected in more than one instance. God save the FSSP!
What song is this that is playing in the background? I would love to get this. It's beautiful.
Great video! Viva trad Catholicism!
Could someone identify the music played during this video?
"The form of a table shall more move the simple from the superstitious opinions of the popish Mass unto the right use of the Lord's Supper. For the use of an altar is to make sacrifice upon it; the use of a table is to serve for men to eat upon."
--Nicholas Ridley, anglican "bishop" of London, 1550
Note Pope Pius XII's comment: wishing the altar to be restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform -- meaning that part of the altar is traditionally a table.
And, that is in fact what the part of the altar is called upon which the Sacrifice is offered: the table (mensa) -- not altaria.
Even in the Churches which remain Traditional (not for the lack of trying to modernise them) it is sad to see the removal of the High Altar, or if it remains, it is ignored and a Table is set in front of it. Very disprespectful!
It went from being in the style of the 1990s (sleek, minimal, clean, humble) to very 2020s (busy, distracting, expensive). However, the finished design is very pretty.
Not 2020's style but the style of always!
Very Good!!! What is the name of the song?
How about disdaining to BOW to an altar without the tabernacle on it?
Or, do Traddies pick and choose which traditions to follow?
Please tell the name and composer of the music. Thanks.
Do I know the music in off? Thank you
I love pre-Vatican II Altars but the Sagrary could fall down this way!
Tres Bien ! ! !
My parish has a completely separate chapel just for the tabernacle. Most church's no longer have the tabernacle facing the congregation in the old roman style basilica architecture. I can certainly appreciate BOTH Tridentine Mass, and the post Vatican II Mass.
the question is... is the altar made from the right kind of stone?
What stone should the altar be made of exactly?
"It is an accusation which brings great confusion on us that some men both offer and lay the Lord's Body on a dirty altar cloth and . . . fearlessly place the Body of the Savior in a vessel which no lord, worm though he is, would put to his own lips!"
St. Peter Damian, Letter 14
Wasn't this during the time of the Classical Roman Rite?
Cathedral in L.A. if im not mistaken lol
Je prefere l' apres que l' avant!
help! I will see if this video to my archbishop, I will tell him that I was here too!
Here's a sure way to get them there: start up an SSPX chapel, a sedevacantist chapel down the street, and an independant chapel a ways further off. They'll get the FSSP there pronto!
I guess you think making the altar as beautiful as possible for the glory of God is "overkill."
"One would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings...
Great! :) Nice to know that this is FSSP, not SSPX.
"Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you"
No less Catholic than Garrigou-Lagrange, who wrote that such spiritual gifts are a normal part of the spiritual life.
To paraphrase St. Augustine, one may have the tabernacle "front and center" in his church, but never except in the Catholic Church can that one find salvation (Sermo ad ecclesiae Caesariensis plebem, 6).
Great, beautiful!
But the cross is already on the wall, put another cross above the tabernacle is too many.
from konigskinder. sorry about the bad rating,i pressed the wrong key ,cant delete, should be *****
Oh, BTW: This is a consecrated altar in a consecrated church. Yet, notice how no one BOWS to the altar when passing infront. Tradition -- Traddies are big on it -- stipulates one should bow (at least) before an altar on which no tabernacle is reposed. But, they show no respect to this symbol of Christ.
The saddest thing about this is that it was so easily done and priests, who in "the spirit of Vatican II", still refuse to make the altars upon which the Holy Sacrifice is offered more acceptable to the Mystery of the Body and Blood.
guess what...he's still playing the majority of them vigorously...
I love the FSSP. But, except for the Cross, some candles, and the altar linens, the rest did not seem necessary to me. Tridentine overkill.
No, we're talking about a table. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
what would you know about Profane anyway, oh wait, you're a Novus Ordo kinda guy, I stand corrected, you would absolutely know what Profane is!
Dal protestantesimo al cattolicesimo
...and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See."
--Pope Pius XII
Mediator Dei
Only if you will explain why the same pope, Pius XII, would then celebrate Mass on an altar with no tabernacle, as he often did in St. Peter's.
See for yourself:
hallowedgroundwordpresscom/2007/07/09/unto-the-altar-of-god/
Or -- psst! -- maybe he was a closet Modernist after all! (He wasn't, but some think so)
Unfortunately nowadays, this describes most Catholic Churches. Lets hope they return to Tradition, and reject Modernism in Doctrines, Liturgy and Architecture.
I hope pope benedict lives to be 110, that way, he can better exicute the reform of the reform. I'm perticularly ashamed of modern achatecture. I want more churches that look like churches instead of warehouses or spaceships.
Beautiful, but I have one question. Why do they allow a woman to profane that Altar?
It is not a liturgical act. Where do you see the profanation? I see they are making a beautiful work
A woman shouldn't be allowed in the sanctuary. Period. They shouldn't even be allowed to be in the choir. The choir, like the altar servers, and liturgical overseers should ALL be male.
Some comments here caming from people that dont know nothing about spirituality of traditions of the Church.That very sad.Thanks to the new Pope that want to bring back our truly catholic traditions after the abomination from Vatican II.Pax.
Only if a man says its OK! :D
" . . . were he to wish the altar restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform"
Surely, you are not claiming that a pope can deny Catholics the right to follow an immemorial tradition? Or, does a Pope get to decide which traditions are immemorial and praiseworthy -- and, hence, should continue -- and which are not?
White is traditional vestment color; black wasn't color until 13th century! (See Catholic Encyclopedia, "Liturgical Colours")
Who got to decide to CHANGE tradition by adding black?
Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you. I don't speak for them. I will say, however, that I always genuflect to the tabernacle. I don't have to worry about bowing because the true church that I attend always has the tabernacle front and center. As for the ones who don't bow to the table, I guess that contradiction is the result of them being yoked with evil.
"The rest" (flowers, altar cards, reredos) is personal choice, not necessarily Catholic. The altar already accommodated a Tridentine celebration. I'm sure the altar wasn't so minimalist until things started to be removed (candles, linens) . . . in order to simply put them back again for the Old Liturgy! C'mon.
In my opinion, they could remove all those ugly kitchen tables out of the sanctuary.
A woman on the altar?!?
j/k :P
I think that a consecrated altar ALREADY serves God's glory: There's no need for a faux tabernacle and a fake reredos. A cross is suspended behind the altar, and presumably linens and candles were there as well before the "altar-ation." But, still not "just so" for the Traddie mindset which had to replace the Novus Ordo abomination. I love the FSSP -- but, puh-leez.
Surely you can understand the difference between what is done in dire necessity versus the ideal? Technically, you *can* raise a family living in a back alley ... or you can do it in a proper home in a secure neighborhood. Which of these options is superior ... or does it even matter?
I don't really understand your logic here, pal ...
traitors to Tradition, fssp.
faithful to the Church, FSSP
No, they, FSSP are accomplices of the demolition.
FSSPX schismatics. Sedevacantists heretics.
You seem to be confusing the FSSP and the SSPX.
@@lorenzoc.b.9809 SSPX *
I thought FSSP was anathema? Shame on them for disobeying the Holy Father.
No, the FSSP are the ones who came back to Rome after the SSPX automatically excommunicated themselves.
They believed the SSPX went too far
You are referring to SSPX, not FSSP.