Guys let me share some tips. I have worked on electric vehicles for a long time. Please do not let your bike sit for weeks with the breaker on and a bypass battery. There is a vampire current AKA quiescent current that the motor controller and the DC/DC converter draw from the battery. This could slowly drain your battery down to the point of irreversible damage. So if you have a bypass battery you had better make sure to disconnect the breaker if it's sitting for any more than a few weeks.
No he is not talking about that. A bypassed battery is totally separate from cutting that brown wire. We don’t recommend bypassing a battery but we fully recommend cutting the brown wire as the bike is designed for that to be done!
Subbed. Great video. Curious, after using the nano so far, would you purchase the pro for $300 more, or the factory spec controller now that you've owned the nano for a month or so? Or are you more than happy with the KO nano controller? Figuring out if I'm starting my 72v upgrade journey with either KO nano, KO pro, or KO factory spec controller as first purchase. Thoughts?
I installed my ko Moto controller couple weeks back and bypass the battery I absolutely am having a blast with it it’s got way more acceleration and I got it up to 55 miles an hour with that being said I feel like my battery percentage is not accurate anymore I can ride it around longer and it’ll barely be dropping I wonder if there’s a setting for that
When you bypass the bms it lags way behind on the readout, nothing can fix it. Its best to add a volt meter and monitor it that way. Same problem with the XX surron batteries
@@mrskywalker115 The battery voltage would still read fine on the battery itself. So the battery display on the Sur Ron, as well as the lights on the Talaria battery should still read fine and accurately. I'd recommend keeping the battery above 20% on a bypass, though.
@@nxdboi you must be talking about a street surron ? The % display on the battery itself lags a few hours behind when it's bypassed so most run a volt meter of the power cables to have a real time reading
Wow i didnt realise just chaging the controller on its own makes such a difference! I bet with the stock 44t sprocket you'd easily be hitting 50 plus i'd imagine :D
If you had a stock sprocket, what do you think the top speed would be? I'm more interested in top speed than torque (at the moment at least, my mind can change lol)
I think you would be surprised that most people want the smaller batter just to save weight and because most people really can't use all the range that the 72v 57ah has to offer.
Please share your settings. I have the bike as a L1e with 54t sprocket and KO pro controller. Battery and motor are stock and I had also a call with Ben but I#m not very happy with the result.
Thanks for the vid👍 I'm abit surprised with your race 52t+ko vs full stock bike. I would imagine the 52t would accelerate much more 🤔. Do you guys both weight the same?
@@Talariaboys Thankyou for all your help. The motor vs gearbox clip was invaluable. So.. I am up late here in Australia working on my bike, my parts arrived and I have the new MX4 motor and controller and i cant decide whether to just run the new motor with the MX3 controller or try the MX4 controller straight up and risk the BMS cutting out all the time.
It can, If you are in the market for a controller, there are a lot better options the have been released since this video was created. If you have questions please watch some of our videos on TORP, EBMX, and NUCULAR controllers
Its cool that you can run a Bigger sprocket and still be a bit faster.. what about the other KO Controller.? can you get more power from that vs the Nano.?
@@Talariaboys I'm still learning, but from my understanding the max phase current is torque and not power. On the website it specifies the max power but not torque on the stock battery. Nano max phase is 450 where the others are 800+. MaxLineCurr (Maximum DC current in) Maximum current into the controller from the battery - Stock battery should be set to 95A maximum third party batteries should be set to manufacturers specifications. Maximum DC current is 370A. Please adjust accordingly and if your battery struggles to provide the power required reduce this number. This may show as a sudden slow down, or a loss in power as the battery BMS either throttles, or shuts the power to the bike off completely. If this occurs you should give the battery time to cool down and adjust your settings downwards to account for this. MaxPhaseCurr Maximum phase current This is the maximum phase current available to the motor and can be set up to 800A.
I just found on the software downloads!!!! Now I'm just curious if running the nano maxed to 450 would it overheat. Stock Battery Recommended MaxLineCurr - 90A or lower MaxPhaseCurr - 520 or lower
Why the heck would you not bypass your battery....it's not hard, it only compliments the controller and finally, your a big boy and you could do this easy???
@@Talariaboys You can run it down to the same voltage as a stock battery. If you ride it the same as you do now, it wont get any less range. You'll just have the extra power if you want it. You could even have a completely stock tune for long rides and a more aggressive tune for shorter, more aggressive rides.
@@chrisc6162 Yeah, I don't understand why some people refuse to bypass. If sag on longer rides is a concern, just ride it the same way with a stock tune, it'll literally live you _better_ range than your stock controller homies because the KO and BAC controllers are more efficient than the stock one. And for short rides dial it up and rip!
I want the controller so I can upgrade to a 72v battery. Also what are you bypassing. Brand new to these. Just ordered a talaria sting R. Ships early June. Looking for more power.
You didn't say what the battery voltage was for these three separate bikes. That can make a difference in top speed. Also you should say if your KO controller is using field weakening. This will add about 10% extra speed but at the cost of extra power, in other words terrible efficiency at high speed.
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This answered some of my questions. Thank you for the upload!
Guys let me share some tips. I have worked on electric vehicles for a long time. Please do not let your bike sit for weeks with the breaker on and a bypass battery. There is a vampire current AKA quiescent current that the motor controller and the DC/DC converter draw from the battery. This could slowly drain your battery down to the point of irreversible damage. So if you have a bypass battery you had better make sure to disconnect the breaker if it's sitting for any more than a few weeks.
Are you talking about on the xxx when you say bypass you mean brown wire cut ?
No he is not talking about that. A bypassed battery is totally separate from cutting that brown wire. We don’t recommend bypassing a battery but we fully recommend cutting the brown wire as the bike is designed for that to be done!
Subbed. Great video. Curious, after using the nano so far, would you purchase the pro for $300 more, or the factory spec controller now that you've owned the nano for a month or so? Or are you more than happy with the KO nano controller? Figuring out if I'm starting my 72v upgrade journey with either KO nano, KO pro, or KO factory spec controller as first purchase. Thoughts?
Can you make video with bypassed battery? Thanks
I installed my ko Moto controller couple weeks back and bypass the battery I absolutely am having a blast with it it’s got way more acceleration and I got it up to 55 miles an hour with that being said I feel like my battery percentage is not accurate anymore I can ride it around longer and it’ll barely be dropping I wonder if there’s a setting for that
When you bypass the bms it lags way behind on the readout, nothing can fix it. Its best to add a volt meter and monitor it that way. Same problem with the XX surron batteries
@@mrskywalker115 Appreciate the reply where could one go about a voltage meter for these bikes?
@@mrskywalker115 The battery voltage would still read fine on the battery itself. So the battery display on the Sur Ron, as well as the lights on the Talaria battery should still read fine and accurately. I'd recommend keeping the battery above 20% on a bypass, though.
@@nxdboi you must be talking about a street surron ? The % display on the battery itself lags a few hours behind when it's bypassed so most run a volt meter of the power cables to have a real time reading
Wow i didnt realise just chaging the controller on its own makes such a difference! I bet with the stock 44t sprocket you'd easily be hitting 50 plus i'd imagine :D
Hey, could you possibly bypass the bms on the battery and test the top speed with 8kw?
Great content!!
Great comparison. Thanks
If you had a stock sprocket, what do you think the top speed would be? I'm more interested in top speed than torque (at the moment at least, my mind can change lol)
Not much faster
Man my surron would look amazing in front of that house, when can we move in?
Is your battery byspassed?
Is your battery bypassed here? If not youll get way more power
Great info. I was wondering have you done a review w/ the Ko Nano, 72V 42ah battery and stock sprocket?
Super expensive to test every 72v variation. Most don’t go for the lower ah one of given the choice
We didn't get a chance to test that setup with the stock sprocket before switching to a new controller. We recommend a larger sprocket anyway.
I think you would be surprised that most people want the smaller batter just to save weight and because most people really can't use all the range that the 72v 57ah has to offer.
Please share your settings. I have the bike as a L1e with 54t sprocket and KO pro controller. Battery and motor are stock and I had also a call with Ben but I#m not very happy with the result.
Bypass. Otherwise you just wasted the money.
Lol so you expected more power with the same battery?
What camera are you using? It looks good
Thanks for the vid👍 I'm abit surprised with your race 52t+ko vs full stock bike. I would imagine the 52t would accelerate much more 🤔. Do you guys both weight the same?
@@Talariaboys Good to know, that will help me in my décision to change my stock sprocket 😉
Lovin your videos guys, do you know where the stock MX3 battery BMS cuts out?
In our testing we were good to run it at 115 amps and it wouldn’t ever cut out, at 120 it would cut out after long full throttle pulls.
@@Talariaboys Thankyou for all your help. The motor vs gearbox clip was invaluable.
So.. I am up late here in Australia working on my bike, my parts arrived and I have the new MX4 motor and controller and i cant decide whether to just run the new motor with the MX3 controller or try the MX4 controller straight up and risk the BMS cutting out all the time.
Why is your acceleration with 52 Sprocket near same with the Stock Talaria?
Whats your tune do u mind telling me so i can input it on mine thank u 🤙🏾
I am no longer using the KO controller, they just updated the app and tunes though and it should do most of the tuning for you!
Setting KO Nano Battery Stock? Please
How is the range with the nano controller?
Does the ko make the bike more torquey of the line
It can, If you are in the market for a controller, there are a lot better options the have been released since this video was created. If you have questions please watch some of our videos on TORP, EBMX, and NUCULAR controllers
Have you got yours Bye pass
No we don’t recommend bypassing batteries. It’s not very safe and it’s a fire hazard
I’m from Utah in the Layton area and I can say I know exactly where you’re at hahaha
Praise be to Joseph
Its cool that you can run a Bigger sprocket and still be a bit faster.. what about the other KO Controller.? can you get more power from that vs the Nano.?
What about the extra ~400 phase amps?
@@Talariaboys I'm still learning, but from my understanding the max phase current is torque and not power. On the website it specifies the max power but not torque on the stock battery. Nano max phase is 450 where the others are 800+.
MaxLineCurr (Maximum DC current in)
Maximum current into the controller from the battery - Stock battery should be set to 95A maximum third party batteries should be set to manufacturers specifications. Maximum DC current is 370A. Please adjust accordingly and if your battery struggles to provide the power required reduce this number. This may show as a sudden slow down, or a loss in power as the battery BMS either throttles, or shuts the power to the bike off completely. If this occurs you should give the battery time to cool down and adjust your settings downwards to account for this.
MaxPhaseCurr Maximum phase current
This is the maximum phase current available to the motor and can be set up to 800A.
I just found on the software downloads!!!! Now I'm just curious if running the nano maxed to 450 would it overheat.
Stock Battery Recommended
MaxLineCurr - 90A or lower
MaxPhaseCurr - 520 or lower
How many years will the battery last?
Or how many miles?
its rated for 1000 cycles before the battery starts to degrade. so it depends on how much you ride.
I would lika to know how easy (or complicated) is is to limit the topspeed to let’s say 28mph or even less. I have children… 😅
Eco mode
Why the heck would you not bypass your battery....it's not hard, it only compliments the controller and finally, your a big boy and you could do this easy???
@@Talariaboys You can run it down to the same voltage as a stock battery. If you ride it the same as you do now, it wont get any less range. You'll just have the extra power if you want it. You could even have a completely stock tune for long rides and a more aggressive tune for shorter, more aggressive rides.
You need to bypass. Night and day. If you are not going to bypass, then it really isn't worth spending all that money on the controller.
Facts this is with a bac as well
@@chrisc6162 Yeah, I don't understand why some people refuse to bypass. If sag on longer rides is a concern, just ride it the same way with a stock tune, it'll literally live you _better_ range than your stock controller homies because the KO and BAC controllers are more efficient than the stock one. And for short rides dial it up and rip!
I want the controller so I can upgrade to a 72v battery. Also what are you bypassing. Brand new to these. Just ordered a talaria sting R. Ships early June. Looking for more power.
You didn't say what the battery voltage was for these three separate bikes. That can make a difference in top speed. Also you should say if your KO controller is using field weakening. This will add about 10% extra speed but at the cost of extra power, in other words terrible efficiency at high speed.