Those teams should take the discounted payout in the SEC or B10. But I'm a B12 fan, so I hate this idea. It makes sense, I just hope neither the SEC or B10 are ready to expand past 20 teams right now. If they are, this can get ugly for us, too. #let the B12 eat. #leave room for 3 at the table. 😢
Appreciate the honest take. Whatever yields the most competitive balance and raises teams up, should be the goal of all. Relegation system is really ideal, but will never happen in the US. So I think this is closest we can get to that.
@@CFBAddiction Relegation will never happen since it is insane in college sports. If a team faces relegation, it cannot plan a long term budget or hire coaches that it wants, since they might not have the money to pay. How could a team recruit and not even guarantee the league in which they will play? People keep bringing up European soccer, which is beyond different. If a soccer team is relegated, they still pay their players and then can sign a couple of stars. And not that is really not the same as colleges and NIL. A team that is relegated will not have NIL money to do that.
I agree TJ. I am a Miami fan, and I do think over time Miami would be worth adding to the Big 10, at a reduced rate at first. Our games against Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State and USC would draw great viewership. Excellent idea.
Overtime 🤷♂️ The BIG12 is the only hope for us y’all don’t win in the ACC good luck with that! We were beating y’all straight out the AAC 😳maybe super Mario can turn it around. I don’t see it You gotta have more than 5000 people at home games LOL Y’all haven’t been the U since Randy Shannon got fired
@@seandavis1715the only path for them to the BIG is if FSU goes to the SEC. If the BIG doesn't go beyond 20, one spot will be reserved for a Florida team (FSU has far better ratings than Miami) and the other for ND.
@@AJD-LsUp Shalala and co. messed us up after our championship run by not investing in the football program. We are making the investments now and recruiting better which may help us. The missteps over twenty years may force us initially into the Big 12, if/when the ACC implodes.
I’m not sure that checks out🤷♂️ without ESPN I would’ve never become a Louisville fan because I would’ve never seen them play you seen the same five teams max ESPN is college football
In the old days , I did enjoy having to purchase and travel to home games and a few away games. But, now that televised games are not limited to two a year. I like watching at home.
No danger. Now that players must be paid, you have to align college football tables by those who can and will pay the cost to pay them. Aligning competition levels. Everyone will have a seat and it will be competitive, but not everyone is willing to spend the money necessary to compete at top level.
@@CFBAddiction Disagree 100%. I gave up the NFL 5 years ago. Haven't missed it. The higher the prices go, the less folks will watch and buy that are on the' edge'. Eventually all this money has to come from somewhere.........
Indeed ... the price paid will occur. People in deep SEC land or Ohio may not notice. But viewership will go to zero in mass swathes of the country that might otherwise watch. ESPN will certainly notice.
Virginia Tech makes more sense for the SEC than any other team. They have the largest fan base in DC - averaging 50% more attendance than Maryland or UVA. Their games are an SEC atmosphere. They will grow the conference market more than any other team and would not need to take a discount.
@@frankpotter5936 may do but not more than Md do real dc people not people who move there for jobs team is Md thats facts I really grew up in dc and Md I know
@@frankpotter5936 i grew up in dc and Md may be people who work in dc vt fans but real dc residents football team because Hoyas don’t have d1 its the terps that’s facts
@@Spin95 Terps only average 40,000 attendance near the city. VT is more than 65,000 in rural VA (most students and alumni come from Nova). No one cases about Maryland football. What's the most popular college football team in Philly or Pitt? It's Penn State for the same reason. Maryland is just so Temple.
Interesting video. This would open up opportunities for teams in the Big XII as well. Oklahoma State, TCU and Utah all have higher, average viewership (1.5m, 1.5m and 1.1m respectively) over the last nine seasons than any team in the ACC not named Notre Dame, Clemson or Florida State. 24 in the SEC and B1G is such a clean number... As a Utah fan I would take 80% with a chance to grow into 100% any day and every day.
Actually, based on a study of games between 2012-2023. Average viewership for all games except games against BIG/SEC, Conference Championship and Bowls. The order of those teams go's... #3 Louisville, #9 OkSt, #10 Utah, #22 TCU. #1 and #2 were FSU and Oregon. Notre Dame was not included.
Well, if the ACC falls apart and NCSU doesn't get an invitation to SEC or Big10, then Big12 may be your only choice. Then again, that depends if the Big12 would want you. The Big12 already had problems with Pac12 teams who considered the Big12 "the worst case scenario" until the Pac12 imploded.
The B1G has always shared money evenly among its members. Even the teams that have had to buy their way in have only done so with temporary discounts. A permanent discount would set a precedent that would enable Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State, USC to claim that the Purdues and Northwesterns of the world should also be forced to take a discount. While there would be many whose values would appreciate an arrangement that allowed those who brought in more revenue to take a larger share, it is not the way the conference has done things in the past, and most of the league would probably vote against setting that precedent
With all the changes going on in college football, is “precedence” and “never been done before” the hill you really want to die on? The goal would be to help elevate these teams up to full members. You are helping them far more by including them than relegating them. Full members are grandfathered in and stay full members.
How are the B1G bottom feeders supposed to get better if they aren't receiving full-shares? Although I think the B1G should tell the bottom feeders to start reinvesting some of their revenue back into their revenue generating sports and recruiting better or the valuable school's football programs might eventually branch off by joining a Super League and leaving them behind if they want to be leaches. Or they will be forced to pay their players when the conference starts negotiating with the B1G Player's Union because they will most likely set an even pay scale for every player in the conference. So the conference will pay each football player directly to bypass Title IX.
#1. All of this realignment has sadly ruined the college sports. #2. This is all being driven by the big old tv media companies. Choose your alphabet soup company name. #3. Money is the priority for schools to “win”. Well understood and I respect the honesty. However, money doesn’t correlate to excellence or winning. Hello Texas A&M and PSU. Most of the schools will not be playing for anything except money. It won’t be for banners #4. Remember ACC schools (FSU)…you chose ACC over SEC to win and be able to be in the mix every year and get on tv , grow your brand and be the big school in the conference to play for championships (you got three). #5. No one cares about all the schools in the SEC or BIG as well…Georgia Tech for Mississippi State/Arkansas or Boston College for Rutgers. Wake Forest for Northwestern or Vandy…Sorry…No one will still care outside of their alumni and fans. #6. Let’s talk about the next round of realignment…won’t the media giants ask the conferences to cut the fat or dead weight? Will they offer more money next time with all their financial issues? Will they force the conferences to trim out schools that don’t add value….
There's a tier of teams that are out there that flesh out some key rivalries and can be picked up for a part share deal. The idea of a party crasher team or some sort of informal takeover is a good marketing tool to use.
Louisville, Georgia Tech, Clemson and Florida State all have rivals in the SEC and could grow into full shares. Add UNC and NC State and UVA and VaTech and you have 24. Miami to the B1G.
SEC is a full-share conference. You join, you’re in and you’re a full partner. And there’s no penalty to leave. The entire constitution would have to be changed (I believe) for what you are describing to happen.
At this point, I prefer one super conference with all the P5 times. It could be subdivided into regions. Traveling for cross country games for maybe 1 game out of your region.
I don’t see the Big Ten doing that they have always been about even revenue sharing it is what has kept the conference strong for over 100 years and I don’t think they want to start down that slippery slope it is what tore the Big 12 apart the other schools took less to keep the bigger schools happy so they wouldn’t leave and in the end they did anyway
Nonrevenue can stay in the conference but is a regional divisions. You can also then mix up the Big 10 and SEC teams in the region. Also I think discounting bottom schools is a good thing. Well better than swapping a Rutgers or Maryland with ACC teams.
My prediction of what happens with the ACC: - FSU & Clemson start the domino effect and go to the SEC. - B1G responds and adds NC, UVA & Miami (SEC is not gonna want 3 FL schools) - ND sees the writing on the wall and ultimately decide to join the B1G - I think SEC will still want to expand in the North Carolina/Virginia market and add NC State & VA Tech to get the conference to 20 total - Big 12 take advantage of the opportunity and add Pitt & Louisville - B1G finally adds Stanford & Cal to help with setting up divisions/pods and get the conference to a whopping 24 team total - Duke refuses to join Big 12 and the remaining ACC (BC, GT, Cuse & WF) add UConn and partner with Big East for Mens & Womens basketball to create an elite Bball conference and fight to get their conference champ a bid for the CFP every year
Nope ND, FSU, UNC, and Clemson to the B1G because they generate the most revenue for sports AND academics and they have a superior TV contract. The SEC can have the leftovers since they pigeonholed themselves in a horrible ESPN contract.
@@roris5882: Notre Dame will NEVER join the BIG (Too Much BAD Blood). The BIG wants AAU Schools, and Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia fit the bill, plus, they get the High School Recruiting that comes with them. PLUS, once the ACC begins to implode, the BIG can now get Cal and Stanford "CHEAP"! The SEC WILL take Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech, but still need four schools to get to a 24-team Super Conference. To do that they have to "POACH" schools from the Big-12. Since the SEC is mostly comprised of Land Grant Universities, the schools they "WILL" poach are Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (To Appease Kentucky) and Utah. That basically makes both the BIG and SEC Coast-to-Coast Semi-Pro Super-Conferences, and they "WILL" break away from the NCAA and College Athletics as a whole! New BIG: EAST POD: Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia. LAKES POD: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue. PLAINS POD: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin. WEST POD: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington. NEW SEC: EAST POD: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina. SOUTH POD: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech. Central POD: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri. WEST POD: Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah. The other 80+ teams left in the NCAA, will reorganize into Eight 10 to 12 "Regional" Conferences and have their NCAA College Playoffs and Championships!!! Here's a possible Eight Regional Conference League with Eleven Teams (Would need to add Three more FCS Schools to get to Eleven Schools), in each conference. AAC: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Liberty, Marshall, Troy. NEW ACC: Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Charlotte, Duke, Navy, ODU, Temple, U-Mass, *Villanova*, Wake Forest. NEW Big 11: Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulsa. CUSA: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse, U-Conn, West Virginia. MAC: Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami of Ohio, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan. MWC: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, *Montana*, New Mexico State, North Texas, *South Dakota State*, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA, Wyoming. NEW PAC: Arizona State, Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Washington State. Sunbelt: Arkansas State, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee State, Sam Houston State, South Alabama, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Western Kentucky. Time to get this ESPN, FOX, BIG and SEC Money Hungry ARROGANCE over with... Send them ALL Packing... REFUSE to play any of them in the future!!! They wanted their EXCLUSIVE Conferences and Playoffs, let them have it! The NCAA should disassociate themselves from both conferences as well and EXCLUDE all the schools in those two EXCLUSIVE Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), from the NCAA Basketball Tournament as well as other "College Sports", going forward! Let ESPN create a Separate Basketball Tournament for them!!! The other 80+ FBS Schools have ZERO NEED to continue to play the BIG and SEC in any sports going forward and WILL Survive with their own "COLLEGE SPORTS CHAMPIONSHIPS"!!!
This is just an FSU wet dream. The teams that voted to bring Cal, Stanford and SMU into the ACC are not going to vote to dissolve their conference unless they have a B1G or SEC invitation in their pockets. Of course FSU and Clemson (and possibly UNC) will leave if it makes financial sense to do so. God's speed and best of luck but nobody else is going anywhere in the foreseeable future.
Can’t wait until ESPN opts to not re-up in Feb2025 with the ACC contract to continue through 2036 now that they know Clemson, FSU, UNC are gone. They will either bring the $ They will bring the $ paid to each team down a lot. Or they will opt out entirely That will reduce the GOR Clemson, FSU and UNC will have pay per year down significantly. That is what is going to happen. The first 1st years GOR will be a lot of $, but not after that. And since the ACC gets the GOR buyout $, not ESPN, why is in it for ESPN to keep the ACC contract through 2036?
The B1G, SEC, Fox, and ESPN don’t need or want supersized conferences. The B1G will take FSU and wait for Notre Dame. The SEC will take Clemson and UNC and likely stop at 18. The Big 12 will add 2-4 more quality schools if the networks are willing to pay for them. What you aren’t taking into consideration is that the Big 12’s value will skyrocket on their next TV contract with the PAC-12 and ACC out of the picture. The Big 12 is now a national conference and their schools will have the ability to recruit and compete with all of the B1G schools in football except maybe 2 or 3 schools at the top. Ditto for competing with the SEC. And don’t forget that we are only a year away from TCU beating an undefeated B1G champion in a playoff game. Big 12 schools because of a number of factors can do more with less. FSU could be on an island for the next 20 years playing northern schools in the cold and playing schools located next to the Pacific Ocean 2000 miles away. FSU’s membership in the B1G isn’t going to be a panacea ( just ask Nebraska ), although it will be better than being stuck in the ACC. Giving advice to other schools on how to get into a conference that FSU hasn’t even been invited too yet seems somewhat pretentious on your part.
Fascinating perspective! I’m a Pitt fan and would love to see them safe in the SEC. Becoming the northernmost member (also, it’s doubtful PSU or OSU would want Pitt in the Big10). A discount, that is reviewed yearly seems fair…if that same review happens to all SEC teams…after an introductory period.
@@lawrenceksyahoocom This may not sound as crazy as it first appears. There are many sites online discussing the potential of FSU or Miami joining the Big 10. One of the main reasons for this is that it would open up a new market for them for both viewership and recruiting. If I was a member of the SEC, I wouldn't be overjoyed in seeing the Big 10 (their primary rival conference) moving into my neck of the woods. Now what happens if the SEC decides to flip the scenario. By adding Pitt, they would now have a market right between two of the Big 10 larger members (Penn State and Ohio State). Using the same reasoning as before, it would also open up Pennsylvania and Ohio to more viewership and recruiting. Yeah, Pitt would probably have to take a cut in payouts, but I don't think you can completely discount it. It would be like the Big 10 giving the finger to the SEC and the SEC giving one right beck to them. I think it would be fun.
No discount for Miami Miami vs Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, brings massive ratings Miami vs FSU and or Notre Dame would also Furthermore, having B1G teams play games in the city of Miami a place they try to recruit players from would benefit the entire league’s talent level. Miami is also an AAU school which is not the end all be all but research dollars are a huge deal
I think the SEC is more likely to entertain Duke and NC State at a reduced share to go along with UNC that way those basketball rivalries among others will remain intact and be on the SEC Network. I mean why else was the ACC Network created? lol Seriously though, losing UNC-Duke as a conference basketball game will be dreadful.
If I was the BIG I would take all of them even if it means you have 30 teams. For the first couple of years, you pay them at a discount. Eventually, you split your league in 2 with half getting a full payout and the other half getting a partial payout. Then you have promotion/relegation within the Big. At my college we did something similar. The frats had an intramural league with 2 divisions, the large frats and the small frats. My frat was medium sized, we won the small frat division and got promoted to the largest frat division the next year. As it pertains to college football, this would allow a league to capture more eyeballs. It makes games competitive for both the top half and bottom half. And it gives you a mechanism to deal with the Northwesterns and Vanderbilits who are already in your conference.
NIL is legal, so they can't do anything about it. Plus it's from outside of the universities. Besides, after the football players unionize every player will be receiving their fair share of the TV revenue.
@@roris5882Thanks. I'm not opposed to NIL. However, how would the conferences promote competition if one or more schools recruited/perhaps raided best players within the conference? How does a univ/college remain educational when money is in winning football games & championships? Seems like a big can of worms to me. Your thoughts?
Would only go to the SEC or B1G for a discount if get full media share next contract and CFP payout same as other P2 schools. Rutgers gets their first pill membership share in 2027.
Why would espn and fox allow these tier 2 teams join the sec and big for 80 percent when they can force them to join big 12 at half the price or just keep the acc alive for maybe even less than 50 percent of sec/big10 money
This seems like the most logical thing to do. As a Louisville fan I would be OK with taking less with a future potential of increasing share if results dictated. It would honestly make sense for the SEC/BIG to re-evaluate every few years to determine if a team is carrying their weight. I am talking to you Vandy, Northwester, etc. Why does a university with almost no interest in athletic success get a huge paycheck each year?
I think the SEC takes Clemson and North Carolina and B1G takes FSU and Virginia at first and then both conferences will reassess again before they take anymore. They will evaluate the contracts and possible TV deals by adding the other ACC teams. And now since they are working together to an extent probably discuss what model would be feasible to separate completely from the NCAA and maybe that model is 24 teams each.
What I'm hoping is for the Iowa legislator to require that our two FBS & one FCS schools to pool their conference payout and split them 5 ways. Two for FBS, one for FCS.
I think that kind of precedent puts the nail in the coffin for the big 12. Most if not all of those teams would be willing to join either big 2 conference at a reduced payout
Discount with $$$ set aside for performance bonus,, its already an unequal payout so add some carrot to the stick. I think football should be its own division 64 teams a la Chip Kelly with its own TV deal but I think hoops can stay in conferences. Teams that don't make the 64 play football in their current conferences with their own playoff
How about we cancel the NIL, allow a stipend school to be spent its athletes, have each school receive the same amount. Then do the same for media rights. ESPN should be dealing with the NCAA, not the individual conferences. It will always be an unfair advantage of a bigger name school to receive money for its programs unless the playing field is divided amongst divisions of schools rather than conferences.
Division 2 and division 3 football seems to be real college football in my opinion because they don't hop around from college to college and I don't believe they get paid and end up opting out because they don't get their way. I'm a University of West Florida fan 2019 Division II national champions in that school football program is only 8 years old I believe
Based on prior videos and knowledge the ACC would need 8 members to vote to disband the conference. The fastest and easiest way to hit that number would be for the SEC and B1G agree to take on those schools. So the leverage this mid tier schools you speak of has is they would vote yes if they had a landing spot. Personally I think we finish with a P3 but the B1G and SEC being a step above the Big 12. Plus if you look at what the B1G has been you going after is large metro media markets. LA and Seattle being 2 of the recent plus brands like Oregon and Nike. The SEC would be more about footprint and brand. Miami and Atlanta would be big markets for the B1G. FSU would be a big brand for them. North Carolina and VA would be appealing for the SEC. With NBC partnering with the B1G how long before they are committing their money to the B1G and cannot over commit to the Irish?
You seem to forget that Big12's commissioner is wanting to seperate the TV deals for football and basketball. So of football pays out 60 million for year, and basketball pays out for halve of that so that makes the total payout at 90 million per year.
Basketball has never brought in that kind of money and there is no reason to believe that it can. Also, when does the Big 12 get $60 million for football?
@@observer466 Agreed. At least at my school Northwestern 82% of revenue comes from football, 17% from men's basketball, and 1% from the other 12 sports. Even Power 4/5 basketball powers like Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. make more money from football.
Any team that has the opportunity to join the Power 2 for any amount would be foolish not to accept. Hear me out… 132 Division 1 teams Divide them into 4 divisions of 33 teams with their own playoffs. Top 3 teams promoted to the tier above, Bottom 3 team relegated to the tier below.
I don't think permanent discounts will be the future for new schools in the P2. If the SEC and B1G aren't going to relegate the schools that undervalue and under perform, then I think the future conference payouts will be unequal and based on performance.
The B1G & SEC should adopt a look-in clause similar to the one Brett Yormark has done for the CFP system…. This would include all teams in their respective conference … They could break it up into 3 different tier level of payouts & evaluated every 5 years…. Teams that pull their full weight get 100% …. Teams that are not performing at the highest level get dropped down a tier & so on … of course the tier guide lines would have to be agreed upon…. This would give everyone an equal opportunity & a shot at the 100% payout … or something that would give everyone the opportunity to earn extra money
Why would the B1G do that? It could destroy the league, the way Texas getting extra money did not help its leagues. By the way, how does one define "pull its own weight"? Does being a top 10 nationally ranked academic school located in Chicago do that for Northwestern? How about Rutgers being the only FBS team in an area of about 25 million people (NYC and south Jersey markets)? How about networks paying the B1G $7 to $8 billion because, per the TV execs, the B1G goes "From NYC to Chicago to LA". RU and NW and their locations were a significant part of the huge TV paydays for everyone in the league. Of the original ten schools, Michigan State has only been in the conference for 75 years and the others for well over 100 years. The B1G has done pretty well so far. Each of the "new teams" is a flagship state university that does large amounts of research and the B1G Academic Alliance brings in more money than sports. Nebraska gets hurt with research since, for the AAU, agricultural research does not count and Nebraska does a lot of that. Of course, Nebraska was expected to be competing for national championships and has not.
Why would the "bottom tier" of the B1G EVER vote for something like that? My school Northwestern would never vote against Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. as voting against things that don't benefit the whole conference create division. Likewise tOSU, Michigan, etc. would never propose something like that as they know it would create division. NIL might on the other hand do the dirty work as what were equal players will self segregate potentially realizing the pay-for-play model just isn't worth it.
Lifelong Duke fan here......Duke people don't really care about football. I think majority of Duke people would rather join Big East for basketball reasons vs joining either the SEC or the BIG 10 where Duke football would struggle
This was an incredibly honest post, thank you. My counter to that, is how the future will play out in basketball when the BIG/SEC are paying players more than everyone else. Hint: expect the same outcome as football
@@CFBAddiction I see your point. I would counter with the fact that the final rules have not been written on NIL.......Duke has as much $$$ as anyone to spend on basketball....and always will.
Television is the medium that has both benefited and cursed college sports. We want access to our teams but me personally, I despise ESPN. Unfortunately, I want to see my team play, I have to go in person to the stadium or pay a ridiculous subscription rate. Sometimes I’d rather just watch highlights on RUclips.
Miami or any of the other "mid tier teams" have 0 incentive to make it easier for Clemson and FSU to leave without a P2 invite. Also pretending that Miami wouldnt add value to the SEC or B1G is just homerism
SEC only takes flagship state universities. Miami is a city college who lays in a almost empty NFL stadium an hour away from campus. They have been told they are not coming to the SEC so they BIG or bust.
Why do they even care what FSU and Clemson are doing? They have a fiduciary duty to do what's best for their own school and if that's voting to dissolve the ACC then so be it.
It’s a no-brainer you join these conferences at a discounted rate they’re going to increase in value in time. you want to be in the conference instead of outside of the conference crying about the money difference
Yup, get your foot in the Super League (B1G & SEC) while you can because they are eventually going to break off so they can keep all their revenue for themselves.
I really think the big10 should grab FSU and Miami. Totally dominant the state that produces the most talent. That combined with the extra money they are getting compared to the SEC should put the big10 as the tip conference for a long time. I agree bring them in at kess but do it like they did Oregon with guaranteed money after certain amounts of time.
So much conjecture. Suppose the P2 make X, and the Big 12 makes Y...would you rather make a fraction F of X, or would you rather make Y? Is F > Y? Is it F permanent? Are there conditions associated with F? Am I an academic and cultural fit for the target P2 conference, or the Big 12? I don't think all of the second tier ACC schools are academic candidates for the Big 10. Louisville has no shot at the Big 10 or SEC, IMO. But, if a school truly does have a choice between the P2, at discounted rate F, and the Big 12 at Y, and F is reasonably close to Y, I think that school would choose the P2, if only for the stability. I just don't think many schools will have this option. Out of the middle tier, I think only Miami and UVa sit on this line. In a little brother bring-along, I don't think F will be attractive enough to be offered or considered.
You can’t make RUclips videos that go into that depth and continue to appeal to the masses. Remember the forum, we have to stay higher level. But you are correct. These are valid points
Here is a curveball for you who is to say that the big ten and sec don’t go to let’s say apple or Amazon prime and cut a deal with them to help bring in those other teams and help with there streaming for the future
If you let the natural progression of paying players take its course, the SEC and BIG10 end up with the same basketball dominance as football. It’s just not there yet currently.
The problem with different sports and different conferences is that the money from the big conference is still going to trickle down to the Olympic sports
@@CFBAddiction except it wouldn't if one team is being funded by the SEC or Big ten and then the other track program is being funded by the Big East or whatever
Why is it the football players obligation to fund the non-revenue generating sports? Just because the greedy universities and NCAA made an illegal habit out of stealing all the revenue the football players generate doesn't make it right.
@chuckwest7045 Is that why USC/UCLA was so important to the B10? Texas and Oklahoma too? How many B12 championships do they have recently? One! Only One! I hope those two shit hole conferences do pull away from the ncaa. Take all your shit hole sports with you. Take your FB money, but don't try to stick around for the BB money. Get lost! It won't last. The fall will be great!
@@davidtemple2831 Stick around for the basketball money? Surely you jest. The Big Ten and the SEC already get a part of the NCAA tournament money. The rest of the basketball money is peanuts compared to what football brings in. That's what this whole realignment's about: Football and nothing else. As for the Big Twelve.....In 28 seasons Oklahoma won the Big Twelve 14 times. Texas won it 4 times and the rest of the leftovers (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St. etc.) won the Big Twelve a combined total of 10 times. Learn the facts !!
Basketball money? That's pennies compared to football money. These moves are all about football. Oklahoma has 14 Big Twelve championships in 28 years. No other Big Twelve member has more than 4. Oklahoma and Texas were the only programs in the Big Twelve that could win a national championship. Now they're gone......long gone.
The B1G has already said that you have to be in or out, no have way. Yes they accommodate ND in hockey, but that's so they have a conference in hockey. They include John Hopkins in lacrosse. The B1G is looking for quality football, TV money and research grant money. The reason they emphasize academics is because their research collation brings in HUGE money to the universities. Its why they considered Stanford and Cal, even though theirs no TV money and its why they will go hard after FSU and NC. And they absolutely can help FSU get in the AAU. They (and there research affiliates) are 28 of the 69 schools and sponsored most of the new schools in. The SEC by comparison has much smaller research money and only 4 schools in the AAU.
Miami fans have no problem letting fsu spend all the money on attorney fees while paving the way for the rest of us. The talking heads that think that just because they say something and make a video about it that it makes it a fact or the truth. Honestly we are here for it ! 🍿👀 😂😂
What I see in my 🔮 1. B1G selects FSU @ minimal 90% share (due to not being AAU). 2. If UNC sues the ACC individually, then SEC selects them and Clem at a 75% share each, but, if NCSU joins UNC in the lawsuit, both join the SEC at the same rate. I think more potential money would be in monopolizing NC rather than SC. Clem heads to B1G with 75% share until the next media deal. 3. Time for the big brand privates. Mia (70% share) and Duke (50%) both go to B1G. 4. With $1B gained from exit fees and a restructured ESPN media rights deal (minimal 85% value of BIGXII's), no other schools leave the ACC. 5. Under the leadership of ND (still football independent) and UVA, the ACC reorganizes to become a more basketball centric conference yet remains P4 but ranked 4th in football power.
Uh, the B1G dropped the AAU requirement two years ago. Academically, FSU ranks #53, tied with Minnesota, and is ahead in order of Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa, Oregon and Nebraska. Miami, BTW, although an AAU member ranks #67. In viewership, FSU ranks #7 while Miami ranks #32. The B1G has stated that any new school would be expected to “pay their way”, that is, generate revenue equal to or greater than the conference distribution. If the payout was $60m, then the new school would have, at a minimum, to generate $60m a year. Last year, FSU generated $78-81m in revenue. Miami generated less than half that. FSU meets the criteria, UM does not.
@@user-mg3nc6iu8t Hmmm. Good (?)? They have been on an upward trajectory for well over a decade. I have watched them rise from #37 to where they are now, tied for #19 in public university rankings. In another decade, they will be in the top 15. Pretty lofty territory. After they get into the B1G, and get tied into the BTAA, they can set their sights on top 10. The top schools excel in athletics and academics. FSU is going to be one of them.
So you're talking about being an affiliate like the Big12 does in wrestling with AFA, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, UNI, California Baptist, Southern Utah, Missouri, and next season I see the Big12 adding Oregon State.
That’s a slippery slope. If you cut vandy, Arkansas next on the chopping block and you can use logic to justify cuts until you only have Alabama and Georgia. I think you must acknowledge that existing 100% teams are grandfathered in or it’s a non starter
The media markets mean more than the football pedigree. The SEC doesn't need Clem or FSU b/c they already have a presence in both Florida and South Carolina, however If I'm a betting man, I'd say it's going to go like this. UNC, UVA, GT, Miami (maybe Duke too) to B1G and Clem, FSU, VT and NC State to SEC. This gives the B1G presence in So. FL, NC and VA and for the SEC it adds four of the biggest ACC football brands and access into the NC and VA/DC markets. These acquisitions make the most sense academically, athletically, TV market access, etc. Personally as a Va Tech fan, I have mixed desires that don't include the Big XII. I think from a football geographical perspective it probably makes more sense for VaTech to join the SEC. It's Less than a 6.5 hrs drive to UK, Vandy, UT, UGA, and South Carolina, plus Shane Beamer's the coach at USC, which can create a natural rivalry, not to mention if Clem goes to the SEC, that's anohter historic ACC Rival. Va Tech will compete well in the ACC, but will find it hard to break through with the likes of Bama, LSU, GA, TX, Clem and FSU. Conversely, I think Tech will fit well both academically and athletically within the B1G, but the difference being VaTech will be closer to the top in the B1G.
I love your videos, but this one is a dream - a bad dream. Permanent lower value teams are not going to help anyway. Of course the mid tier teams might like that deal. What makes you think that these teams are going to have to think about this? B1G teams have been very clear, no new members that can not carry their own weight. Neither the SEC nor B1G are in the business of taking teams that have long term potential. If Duke basketball is added to another league, their football would die. What league would want Duke sports, but not basketball? Look at UConn basketball vs football. Basketball is at the pinnacle at UConn, while their football team might literally shut down.
Maryland fan here. I wouldn't want anyone excepth UNC or Florida State. Look what happened to the ACC. They grabbed all the useless teams like Pitt, BC, and Syracus and they watered down the product.
Couldn’t disagree with you more about the non revenue sports, joining another conference that doesn’t make any sense. No, nobody at Florida State would back the nonrevenue sports if they were in the SEC
Yep, I know it’s radical, but no one would watch a video where I spent an hour explaining the economics. I think if you fully understood the math, you would understand why this is likely inevitable
This is fair. But you know every way it failed with Big12, and you tweak your setup to prevent them. You do it for a trial run and continue doing it, if it works.
@@CFBAddiction I don't think any tweaks would work. It would just turn into a festering wound that would get worse over time and sow discontent. Universities are too proud to accept being second class citizens unless there is no other choice. Maybe that's where we're going.
Two points the first point is you’re not playing in anywhere you’re playing other teams and you have to win. The second point is these teams is going to a overcrowded conference where they will automatically become an inherit as a bottom feeder irrelevant just stare to collect money that’s it that’s not college football.
Miami, maybe. But they'd have to return to former glory. Other than that, none of the schools are valuable enough for 80%. That's 80-100 mill. At best, they'll get 50%. Which is worth it.
Don’t forget about the added 12-23 million from college football playoff. You gotta add that to the top of their worth in their current conference, which is going to be approaching 50 mil shortly. If a conference is paying 50 mil per member, some are worth more and some are worth less.
College sports are over, brother. It's nothing like it once was. If you enjoy watching the same script of the same 4 or so teams realistically competing each year, then God Bless. It's only gonna get worse and worse as power continues to consolidate more and more. It's not even really college sports anymore, it's a glorified minor league with no salary cap.
Louisville fan, I'd love a move. I grew up 2004 was my first year, and been in love with basketball since and March madness and football. The program and location fits big 12 10 and sec It's ashamed what's happening to the Acc and the Big East all around in football and basketball. I miss it but forward. I think Louisville could baseball soccer football basketball ( hoping for a solid " leader " ) in basketball and that's back.
lol, Stunning indeed it would be. The SEC already has their share of doormats in football. I guess this is good for clicks from fans of those schools though.
Never underestimate how money finds a way. We’ve clearly explained how you can create a win-win financial situation. Give it a few years and check back with us….
One thing everyone needs to know, though college football maybe changing, the SEC and the BIG really haven’t. They have their rules and what they are looking for and don’t have to change. Here are a few for the SEC 1. Flagship state universities only 2. No more than 2 schools per state 3. No one is getting kicked out (sorry) 4. Have to bring a national brand but be regionally ties to the existing conference. Applying that will show you they are going for NC and VA….that’s about it.
Absolutely ridiculous analysis. The Big Ten will NOT accept any application from a non-AAU institution. (AAU stands for Association of American Universities. It is the most prestigious academic university association in the U.S.) The Big Ten makes NINE TIMES the amount of money in R&D funding per school than they do from athletics. There is no way the conference would sacrifice their reputation by admitting Virginia Tech and/or Louisville, neither of which are AAU institutions. I hate it when these sports jocks forget this angle...if they even no it in the first place.
FSU has to join the B1G to get voted into the AAU because the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to help FSU if they join the SEC. FSU has the 55th ranked academics, which is better then half of the B1G, and they already meet the qualifications to get into the AAU. They just require the B1G's academic influence to get them voted in.
Simple answer: Unequal revenue growth, within a conf of peirs, Is NOT a sustainable business model. It did NOT work for SWC. BIG East, Big12, PAC 12, ACC... and it will NOT work for SEC/B1G. The fact that O/Wash are make less than Rug./Purdue is already a major issue; and we are seriously discussing tripling down on that proposal? No sir. "Discount = Death"
I believe before it's over, they'll have pissed off enough fans that they'll end up imploding because of over saturation of a bunch of mediocre teams getting slapped around by the big boys
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Those teams should take the discounted payout in the SEC or B10. But I'm a B12 fan, so I hate this idea. It makes sense, I just hope neither the SEC or B10 are ready to expand past 20 teams right now. If they are, this can get ugly for us, too. #let the B12 eat. #leave room for 3 at the table. 😢
Appreciate the honest take. Whatever yields the most competitive balance and raises teams up, should be the goal of all. Relegation system is really ideal, but will never happen in the US. So I think this is closest we can get to that.
@@CFBAddiction Relegation will never happen since it is insane in college sports. If a team faces relegation, it cannot plan a long term budget or hire coaches that it wants, since they might not have the money to pay. How could a team recruit and not even guarantee the league in which they will play?
People keep bringing up European soccer, which is beyond different. If a soccer team is relegated, they still pay their players and then can sign a couple of stars. And not that is really not the same as colleges and NIL. A team that is relegated will not have NIL money to do that.
I agree TJ. I am a Miami fan, and I do think over time Miami would be worth adding to the Big 10, at a reduced rate at first. Our games against Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State and USC would draw great viewership. Excellent idea.
From who? Miami fans don't even watch Miami
Overtime 🤷♂️ The BIG12 is the only hope for us
y’all don’t win in the ACC good luck with that!
We were beating y’all straight out the AAC 😳maybe super Mario can turn it around. I don’t see it
You gotta have more than 5000 people at home games LOL
Y’all haven’t been the U since Randy Shannon got fired
Michigan, OSU, PSU and USC draw fans regardless of who we play. B10 doesn’t need Miami. Miami might want Michigan to help fill their stadium
@@seandavis1715the only path for them to the BIG is if FSU goes to the SEC. If the BIG doesn't go beyond 20, one spot will be reserved for a Florida team (FSU has far better ratings than Miami) and the other for ND.
@@AJD-LsUp Shalala and co. messed us up after our championship run by not investing in the football program. We are making the investments now and recruiting better which may help us. The missteps over twenty years may force us initially into the Big 12, if/when the ACC implodes.
How about we get rid of , ESPN, college football did fine without them ! Before ESPN college football did fine !
I’m not sure that checks out🤷♂️ without ESPN I would’ve never become a Louisville fan because I would’ve never seen them play you seen the same five teams max ESPN is college football
Actually not I enjoy watching the Tide Roll on Television every week instead of 3 times a year
In the old days , I did enjoy having to purchase and travel to home games and a few away games. But, now that televised games are not limited to two a year. I like watching at home.
You mean the small programs did fine at the expense of the big ones.
The schools should own the networks…there is nothing they can’t do that espn does
This whole thing is very dangerous for cfb as a whole. Losing 50% of eyeballs is a real possibility if its only 40ish teams.
No danger. Now that players must be paid, you have to align college football tables by those who can and will pay the cost to pay them. Aligning competition levels. Everyone will have a seat and it will be competitive, but not everyone is willing to spend the money necessary to compete at top level.
90% of college football fans cheer for the 20 most valuable schools.
@@CFBAddiction sure, align by which teams will pay and which will not. That does not require the SEC or B1G to take teams that they do not want.
@@CFBAddiction Disagree 100%. I gave up the NFL 5 years ago. Haven't missed it. The higher the prices go, the less folks will watch and buy that are on the' edge'. Eventually all this money has to come from somewhere.........
Indeed ... the price paid will occur. People in deep SEC land or Ohio may not notice. But viewership will go to zero in mass swathes of the country that might otherwise watch. ESPN will certainly notice.
Virginia Tech makes more sense for the SEC than any other team. They have the largest fan base in DC - averaging 50% more attendance than Maryland or UVA. Their games are an SEC atmosphere. They will grow the conference market more than any other team and would not need to take a discount.
Vt not even close to dc stop 😂
That’s where the largest Virginia Tech fan base lives
@@frankpotter5936 may do but not more than Md do real dc people not people who move there for jobs team is Md thats facts I really grew up in dc and Md I know
@@frankpotter5936 i grew up in dc and Md may be people who work in dc vt fans but real dc residents football team because Hoyas don’t have d1 its the terps that’s facts
@@Spin95 Terps only average 40,000 attendance near the city. VT is more than 65,000 in rural VA (most students and alumni come from Nova). No one cases about Maryland football. What's the most popular college football team in Philly or Pitt? It's Penn State for the same reason. Maryland is just so Temple.
Interesting video. This would open up opportunities for teams in the Big XII as well. Oklahoma State, TCU and Utah all have higher, average viewership (1.5m, 1.5m and 1.1m respectively) over the last nine seasons than any team in the ACC not named Notre Dame, Clemson or Florida State. 24 in the SEC and B1G is such a clean number... As a Utah fan I would take 80% with a chance to grow into 100% any day and every day.
Yep
Actually, based on a study of games between 2012-2023. Average viewership for all games except games against BIG/SEC, Conference Championship and Bowls. The order of those teams go's... #3 Louisville, #9 OkSt, #10 Utah, #22 TCU. #1 and #2 were FSU and Oregon. Notre Dame was not included.
Keep Bringing the content Bro. Great Work!
Appreciate it!
B12 fans keep talking but as a NCSU grad I think I can speak for the "others" in the ACC that B12 is really worst case scenario
Well, if the ACC falls apart and NCSU doesn't get an invitation to SEC or Big10, then Big12 may be your only choice. Then again, that depends if the Big12 would want you. The Big12 already had problems with Pac12 teams who considered the Big12 "the worst case scenario" until the Pac12 imploded.
The B1G has always shared money evenly among its members. Even the teams that have had to buy their way in have only done so with temporary discounts. A permanent discount would set a precedent that would enable Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State, USC to claim that the Purdues and Northwesterns of the world should also be forced to take a discount. While there would be many whose values would appreciate an arrangement that allowed those who brought in more revenue to take a larger share, it is not the way the conference has done things in the past, and most of the league would probably vote against setting that precedent
With all the changes going on in college football, is “precedence” and “never been done before” the hill you really want to die on? The goal would be to help elevate these teams up to full members. You are helping them far more by including them than relegating them. Full members are grandfathered in and stay full members.
How are the B1G bottom feeders supposed to get better if they aren't receiving full-shares? Although I think the B1G should tell the bottom feeders to start reinvesting some of their revenue back into their revenue generating sports and recruiting better or the valuable school's football programs might eventually branch off by joining a Super League and leaving them behind if they want to be leaches. Or they will be forced to pay their players when the conference starts negotiating with the B1G Player's Union because they will most likely set an even pay scale for every player in the conference. So the conference will pay each football player directly to bypass Title IX.
I agree that having permanent lower revenue teams would destroy the league.
We might need to reset everything. NIL needs rules & we need commissioaries.
#1. All of this realignment has sadly ruined the college sports.
#2. This is all being driven by the big old tv media companies. Choose your alphabet soup company name.
#3. Money is the priority for schools to “win”. Well understood and I respect the honesty. However, money doesn’t correlate to excellence or winning. Hello Texas A&M and PSU. Most of the schools will not be playing for anything except money. It won’t be for banners
#4. Remember ACC schools (FSU)…you chose ACC over SEC to win and be able to be in the mix every year and get on tv , grow your brand and be the big school in the conference to play for championships (you got three).
#5. No one cares about all the schools in the SEC or BIG as well…Georgia Tech for Mississippi State/Arkansas or Boston College for Rutgers. Wake Forest for Northwestern or Vandy…Sorry…No one will still care outside of their alumni and fans.
#6. Let’s talk about the next round of realignment…won’t the media giants ask the conferences to cut the fat or dead weight? Will they offer more money next time with all their financial issues? Will they force the conferences to trim out schools that don’t add value….
Great video man. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Why would the B1G swoop up Duke if they didn’t pick up Stanford and Cal?
Duke brand is bigger than both those
Phase 1 has to finish before phase 2
There's a tier of teams that are out there that flesh out some key rivalries and can be picked up for a part share deal. The idea of a party crasher team or some sort of informal takeover is a good marketing tool to use.
Louisville, Georgia Tech, Clemson and Florida State all have rivals in the SEC and could grow into full shares. Add UNC and NC State and UVA and VaTech and you have 24. Miami to the B1G.
SEC is a full-share conference. You join, you’re in and you’re a full partner. And there’s no penalty to leave. The entire constitution would have to be changed (I believe) for what you are describing to happen.
At this point, I prefer one super conference with all the P5 times. It could be subdivided into regions. Traveling for cross country games for maybe 1 game out of your region.
This whole conference realignment thing is going to destroy all the other sports like basketball, baseball and women’s sports.
TJ, we Canes fan appreciate all your hard work in keeping us updated
Thank you!!
I don’t see the Big Ten doing that they have always been about even revenue sharing it is what has kept the conference strong for over 100 years and I don’t think they want to start down that slippery slope it is what tore the Big 12 apart the other schools took less to keep the bigger schools happy so they wouldn’t leave and in the end they did anyway
Nonrevenue can stay in the conference but is a regional divisions. You can also then mix up the Big 10 and SEC teams in the region. Also I think discounting bottom schools is a good thing. Well better than swapping a Rutgers or Maryland with ACC teams.
SEC will only add one team per TV market. I know, Texas was added. But that was the rare exception.
Primarily because Texas and A&M draw entirely different crowds (except when they play each other).
My prediction of what happens with the ACC:
- FSU & Clemson start the domino effect and go to the SEC.
- B1G responds and adds NC, UVA & Miami (SEC is not gonna want 3 FL schools)
- ND sees the writing on the wall and ultimately decide to join the B1G
- I think SEC will still want to expand in the North Carolina/Virginia market and add NC State & VA Tech to get the conference to 20 total
- Big 12 take advantage of the opportunity and add Pitt & Louisville
- B1G finally adds Stanford & Cal to help with setting up divisions/pods and get the conference to a whopping 24 team total
- Duke refuses to join Big 12 and the remaining ACC (BC, GT, Cuse & WF) add UConn and partner with Big East for Mens & Womens basketball to create an elite Bball conference and fight to get their conference champ a bid for the CFP every year
Nope
ND, FSU, UNC, and Clemson to the B1G because they generate the most revenue for sports AND academics and they have a superior TV contract.
The SEC can have the leftovers since they pigeonholed themselves in a horrible ESPN contract.
Clemson isn't AAU or near AAU status @@roris5882
@@roris5882: Notre Dame will NEVER join the BIG (Too Much BAD Blood). The BIG wants AAU Schools, and Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia fit the bill, plus, they get the High School Recruiting that comes with them. PLUS, once the ACC begins to implode, the BIG can now get Cal and Stanford "CHEAP"!
The SEC WILL take Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech, but still need four schools to get to a 24-team Super Conference. To do that they have to "POACH" schools from the Big-12.
Since the SEC is mostly comprised of Land Grant Universities, the schools they "WILL" poach are Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (To Appease Kentucky) and Utah.
That basically makes both the BIG and SEC Coast-to-Coast Semi-Pro Super-Conferences, and they "WILL" break away from the NCAA and College Athletics as a whole!
New BIG:
EAST POD: Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia.
LAKES POD: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue.
PLAINS POD: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin.
WEST POD: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington.
NEW SEC:
EAST POD: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina.
SOUTH POD: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech.
Central POD: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri.
WEST POD: Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah.
The other 80+ teams left in the NCAA, will reorganize into Eight 10 to 12 "Regional" Conferences and have their NCAA College Playoffs and Championships!!!
Here's a possible Eight Regional Conference League with Eleven Teams (Would need to add Three more FCS Schools to get to Eleven Schools), in each conference.
AAC: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Liberty, Marshall, Troy.
NEW ACC: Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Charlotte, Duke, Navy, ODU, Temple, U-Mass, *Villanova*, Wake Forest.
NEW Big 11: Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulsa.
CUSA: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse, U-Conn, West Virginia.
MAC: Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami of Ohio, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan.
MWC: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, *Montana*, New Mexico State, North Texas, *South Dakota State*, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA, Wyoming.
NEW PAC: Arizona State, Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Washington State.
Sunbelt: Arkansas State, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee State, Sam Houston State, South Alabama, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Western Kentucky.
Time to get this ESPN, FOX, BIG and SEC Money Hungry ARROGANCE over with... Send them ALL Packing... REFUSE to play any of them in the future!!! They wanted their EXCLUSIVE Conferences and Playoffs, let them have it!
The NCAA should disassociate themselves from both conferences as well and EXCLUDE all the schools in those two EXCLUSIVE Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), from the NCAA Basketball Tournament as well as other "College Sports", going forward!
Let ESPN create a Separate Basketball Tournament for them!!! The other 80+ FBS Schools have ZERO NEED to continue to play the BIG and SEC in any sports going forward and WILL Survive with their own "COLLEGE SPORTS CHAMPIONSHIPS"!!!
This is just an FSU wet dream. The teams that voted to bring Cal, Stanford and SMU into the ACC are not going to vote to dissolve their conference unless they have a B1G or SEC invitation in their pockets. Of course FSU and Clemson (and possibly UNC) will leave if it makes financial sense to do so. God's speed and best of luck but nobody else is going anywhere in the foreseeable future.
Have fun being locked into earning less then the Big12.
Can’t wait until ESPN opts to not re-up in Feb2025 with the ACC contract to continue through 2036 now that they know Clemson, FSU, UNC are gone. They will either bring the $ They will bring the $ paid to each team down a lot. Or they will opt out entirely That will reduce the GOR Clemson, FSU and UNC will have pay per year down significantly. That is what is going to happen. The first 1st years GOR will be a lot of $, but not after that. And since the ACC gets the GOR buyout $, not ESPN, why is in it for ESPN to keep the ACC contract through 2036?
@@hufferbillypaw they are not gone yet, they’ll have to pony up first.😁
The B1G, SEC, Fox, and ESPN don’t need or want supersized conferences. The B1G will take FSU and wait for Notre Dame. The SEC will take Clemson and UNC and likely stop at 18. The Big 12 will add 2-4 more quality schools if the networks are willing to pay for them. What you aren’t taking into consideration is that the Big 12’s value will skyrocket on their next TV contract with the PAC-12 and ACC out of the picture.
The Big 12 is now a national conference and their schools will have the ability to recruit and compete with all of the B1G schools in football except maybe 2 or 3 schools at the top. Ditto for competing with the SEC. And don’t forget that we are only a year away from TCU beating an undefeated B1G champion in a playoff game. Big 12 schools because of a number of factors can do more with less.
FSU could be on an island for the next 20 years playing northern schools in the cold and playing schools located next to the Pacific Ocean 2000 miles away. FSU’s membership in the B1G isn’t going to be a panacea ( just ask Nebraska ), although it will be better than being stuck in the ACC. Giving advice to other schools on how to get into a conference that FSU hasn’t even been invited too yet seems somewhat pretentious on your part.
Fascinating perspective! I’m a Pitt fan and would love to see them safe in the SEC. Becoming the northernmost member (also, it’s doubtful PSU or OSU would want Pitt in the Big10). A discount, that is reviewed yearly seems fair…if that same review happens to all SEC teams…after an introductory period.
I'm sorry my man, but the SEC doesn't want you.
@@lawrenceksyahoocom This may not sound as crazy as it first appears. There are many sites online discussing the potential of FSU or Miami joining the Big 10. One of the main reasons for this is that it would open up a new market for them for both viewership and recruiting. If I was a member of the SEC, I wouldn't be overjoyed in seeing the Big 10 (their primary rival conference) moving into my neck of the woods.
Now what happens if the SEC decides to flip the scenario. By adding Pitt, they would now have a market right between two of the Big 10 larger members (Penn State and Ohio State). Using the same reasoning as before, it would also open up Pennsylvania and Ohio to more viewership and recruiting. Yeah, Pitt would probably have to take a cut in payouts, but I don't think you can completely discount it. It would be like the Big 10 giving the finger to the SEC and the SEC giving one right beck to them. I think it would be fun.
No discount for Miami
Miami vs Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, brings massive ratings
Miami vs FSU and or Notre Dame would also
Furthermore, having B1G teams play games in the city of Miami a place they try to recruit players from would benefit the entire league’s talent level.
Miami is also an AAU school which is not the end all be all but research dollars are a huge deal
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Miami wants to stay in the ACC to give them a shot at a championship. If ACC dissolved then they go to the Big 12
Miami can't fill up a stadium to save their lives. They have Sunbelt Conference level attendance. Actually that may be unfair to the SBC
I think the SEC is more likely to entertain Duke and NC State at a reduced share to go along with UNC that way those basketball rivalries among others will remain intact and be on the SEC Network. I mean why else was the ACC Network created? lol
Seriously though, losing UNC-Duke as a conference basketball game will be dreadful.
If I was the BIG I would take all of them even if it means you have 30 teams. For the first couple of years, you pay them at a discount. Eventually, you split your league in 2 with half getting a full payout and the other half getting a partial payout. Then you have promotion/relegation within the Big. At my college we did something similar. The frats had an intramural league with 2 divisions, the large frats and the small frats. My frat was medium sized, we won the small frat division and got promoted to the largest frat division the next year. As it pertains to college football, this would allow a league to capture more eyeballs. It makes games competitive for both the top half and bottom half. And it gives you a mechanism to deal with the Northwesterns and Vanderbilits who are already in your conference.
No one in the SEC will relegate Vanderbilt
lol
How will the SEC & Big 10 or 12 deal with the NIL within their conference? Will they try to restrict movement by athletes within the conference?
NIL is legal, so they can't do anything about it. Plus it's from outside of the universities. Besides, after the football players unionize every player will be receiving their fair share of the TV revenue.
@@roris5882Thanks. I'm not opposed to NIL. However, how would the conferences promote competition if one or more schools recruited/perhaps raided best players within the conference? How does a univ/college remain educational when money is in winning football games & championships? Seems like a big can of worms to me. Your thoughts?
Would only go to the SEC or B1G for a discount if get full media share next contract and CFP payout same as other P2 schools. Rutgers gets their first pill membership share in 2027.
You really hoping FSU doesn't have to pay 500 million, lol...
What gave it away scooby doo? 🐕
Why would espn and fox allow these tier 2 teams join the sec and big for 80 percent when they can force them to join big 12 at half the price or just keep the acc alive for maybe even less than 50 percent of sec/big10 money
You have literally thrown every conceivable scenario against the wall. Cmon, man.
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He has a dream...
@@CFBAddictionexactly. He just keeps churning out content to keep up the grift.
@@benjaminwinfrey7727 Lmao.
This seems like the most logical thing to do. As a Louisville fan I would be OK with taking less with a future potential of increasing share if results dictated. It would honestly make sense for the SEC/BIG to re-evaluate every few years to determine if a team is carrying their weight. I am talking to you Vandy, Northwester, etc. Why does a university with almost no interest in athletic success get a huge paycheck each year?
Is there A pact between sec and bg10 not to invite fsu?
Same question as… is there a pact between sec and bg10 to make less money?
Fsu didn't make the playoffs last year and won't make it this year. It's easy to forget how horrible they were before last season 😂
didnt they rebuild? most teams rebuild all the time
Dollars and sense. 80% of 100 is more than 100% of 70. Not to mention the prestige of the playing in the power 2.
I think the SEC takes Clemson and North Carolina and B1G takes FSU and Virginia at first and then both conferences will reassess again before they take anymore. They will evaluate the contracts and possible TV deals by adding the other ACC teams. And now since they are working together to an extent probably discuss what model would be feasible to separate completely from the NCAA and maybe that model is 24 teams each.
I’d be fine with a discount as a Louisville fan.
What I'm hoping is for the Iowa legislator to require that our two FBS & one FCS schools to pool their conference payout and split them 5 ways. Two for FBS, one for FCS.
GO LOUISVILLE GO
I think that kind of precedent puts the nail in the coffin for the big 12. Most if not all of those teams would be willing to join either big 2 conference at a reduced payout
Discount with $$$ set aside for performance bonus,, its already an unequal payout so add some carrot to the stick. I think football should be its own division 64 teams a la Chip Kelly with its own TV deal but I think hoops can stay in conferences. Teams that don't make the 64 play football in their current conferences with their own playoff
How about we cancel the NIL, allow a stipend school to be spent its athletes, have each school receive the same amount. Then do the same for media rights. ESPN should be dealing with the NCAA, not the individual conferences. It will always be an unfair advantage of a bigger name school to receive money for its programs unless the playing field is divided amongst divisions of schools rather than conferences.
Division 2 and division 3 football seems to be real college football in my opinion because they don't hop around from college to college and I don't believe they get paid and end up opting out because they don't get their way. I'm a University of West Florida fan 2019 Division II national champions in that school football program is only 8 years old I believe
Primary target: UNC
Everyone else: group of maybes
That makes no sense tho. Ppl don't understand how overrated UNC actually is
Absolutely correct. UNC has been the most desired school by the SEC for at least 60 years. Probably from the beginning of the SEC.
Discount with percentage determined by contribution, determined every year.
USC got a full share. FSU will, too. FSU is #7 in viewership, USC is #11.
Based on prior videos and knowledge the ACC would need 8 members to vote to disband the conference. The fastest and easiest way to hit that number would be for the SEC and B1G agree to take on those schools. So the leverage this mid tier schools you speak of has is they would vote yes if they had a landing spot.
Personally I think we finish with a P3 but the B1G and SEC being a step above the Big 12.
Plus if you look at what the B1G has been you going after is large metro media markets. LA and Seattle being 2 of the recent plus brands like Oregon and Nike.
The SEC would be more about footprint and brand.
Miami and Atlanta would be big markets for the B1G. FSU would be a big brand for them.
North Carolina and VA would be appealing for the SEC.
With NBC partnering with the B1G how long before they are committing their money to the B1G and cannot over commit to the Irish?
You seem to forget that Big12's commissioner is wanting to seperate the TV deals for football and basketball. So of football pays out 60 million for year, and basketball pays out for halve of that so that makes the total payout at 90 million per year.
Basketball has never brought in that kind of money and there is no reason to believe that it can. Also, when does the Big 12 get $60 million for football?
@@observer466 Agreed. At least at my school Northwestern 82% of revenue comes from football, 17% from men's basketball, and 1% from the other 12 sports. Even Power 4/5 basketball powers like Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. make more money from football.
Any team that has the opportunity to join the Power 2 for any amount would be foolish not to accept.
Hear me out…
132 Division 1 teams
Divide them into 4 divisions of 33 teams with their own playoffs.
Top 3 teams promoted to the tier above,
Bottom 3 team relegated to the tier below.
I love it. Don’t think it happens
I don't think permanent discounts will be the future for new schools in the P2. If the SEC and B1G aren't going to relegate the schools that undervalue and under perform, then I think the future conference payouts will be unequal and based on performance.
The B1G & SEC should adopt a look-in clause similar to the one Brett Yormark has done for the CFP system…. This would include all teams in their respective conference … They could break it up into 3 different tier level of payouts & evaluated every 5 years…. Teams that pull their full weight get 100% …. Teams that are not performing at the highest level get dropped down a tier & so on … of course the tier guide lines would have to be agreed upon…. This would give everyone an equal opportunity & a shot at the 100% payout … or something that would give everyone the opportunity to earn extra money
Why would the B1G do that? It could destroy the league, the way Texas getting extra money did not help its leagues.
By the way, how does one define "pull its own weight"? Does being a top 10 nationally ranked academic school located in Chicago do that for Northwestern? How about Rutgers being the only FBS team in an area of about 25 million people (NYC and south Jersey markets)? How about networks paying the B1G $7 to $8 billion because, per the TV execs, the B1G goes "From NYC to Chicago to LA". RU and NW and their locations were a significant part of the huge TV paydays for everyone in the league.
Of the original ten schools, Michigan State has only been in the conference for 75 years and the others for well over 100 years. The B1G has done pretty well so far. Each of the "new teams" is a flagship state university that does large amounts of research and the B1G Academic Alliance brings in more money than sports.
Nebraska gets hurt with research since, for the AAU, agricultural research does not count and Nebraska does a lot of that. Of course, Nebraska was expected to be competing for national championships and has not.
Why would the "bottom tier" of the B1G EVER vote for something like that?
My school Northwestern would never vote against Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. as voting against things that don't benefit the whole conference create division. Likewise tOSU, Michigan, etc. would never propose something like that as they know it would create division.
NIL might on the other hand do the dirty work as what were equal players will self segregate potentially realizing the pay-for-play model just isn't worth it.
Oregon and UDub settled for 50% Discount .. so i seriously doubt those mid tier ACC teams due 80%
Oregon was temporary discount on way to full (essentially a buy in). The Acc teams will be permanent with look in.
You conveniently forgot that USC is getting a full share. Any Top10 team in viewership would get a full share.
Lifelong Duke fan here......Duke people don't really care about football. I think majority of Duke people would rather join Big East for basketball reasons vs joining either the SEC or the BIG 10 where Duke football would struggle
This was an incredibly honest post, thank you. My counter to that, is how the future will play out in basketball when the BIG/SEC are paying players more than everyone else. Hint: expect the same outcome as football
An honest Duke fan, if we could just get UNC and UVa to admit it
@@CFBAddiction I see your point. I would counter with the fact that the final rules have not been written on NIL.......Duke has as much $$$ as anyone to spend on basketball....and always will.
@PatCrow Thanks.....I agree good luck finding honest UNC or UVA fan🤣🤣
Television is the medium that has both benefited and cursed college sports. We want access to our teams but me personally, I despise ESPN. Unfortunately, I want to see my team play, I have to go in person to the stadium or pay a ridiculous subscription rate. Sometimes I’d rather just watch highlights on RUclips.
Miami or any of the other "mid tier teams" have 0 incentive to make it easier for Clemson and FSU to leave without a P2 invite. Also pretending that Miami wouldnt add value to the SEC or B1G is just homerism
😂 …you still don’t understand this isn’t a negotiation. Anymore than a grown man negotiates with a mosquito biting him.
Only big game with TV ratings for Miami is when they Play FSU. YOU add no value and don't even own your stadium.
SEC only takes flagship state universities. Miami is a city college who lays in a almost empty NFL stadium an hour away from campus. They have been told they are not coming to the SEC so they BIG or bust.
Why do they even care what FSU and Clemson are doing? They have a fiduciary duty to do what's best for their own school and if that's voting to dissolve the ACC then so be it.
Miami only has a fan base when they are winning so for the last 20 years there is a non existent fan base.
It’s a no-brainer you join these conferences at a discounted rate they’re going to increase in value in time. you want to be in the conference instead of outside of the conference crying about the money difference
Yup, get your foot in the Super League (B1G & SEC) while you can because they are eventually going to break off so they can keep all their revenue for themselves.
Big10 in a heartbeat
I really think the big10 should grab FSU and Miami. Totally dominant the state that produces the most talent. That combined with the extra money they are getting compared to the SEC should put the big10 as the tip conference for a long time. I agree bring them in at kess but do it like they did Oregon with guaranteed money after certain amounts of time.
Take a discount in the Big Ten Or sec
So much conjecture. Suppose the P2 make X, and the Big 12 makes Y...would you rather make a fraction F of X, or would you rather make Y?
Is F > Y? Is it F permanent? Are there conditions associated with F? Am I an academic and cultural fit for the target P2 conference, or the Big 12?
I don't think all of the second tier ACC schools are academic candidates for the Big 10. Louisville has no shot at the Big 10 or SEC, IMO.
But, if a school truly does have a choice between the P2, at discounted rate F, and the Big 12 at Y, and F is reasonably close to Y, I think that school would choose the P2, if only for the stability. I just don't think many schools will have this option. Out of the middle tier, I think only Miami and UVa sit on this line. In a little brother bring-along, I don't think F will be attractive enough to be offered or considered.
You can’t make RUclips videos that go into that depth and continue to appeal to the masses. Remember the forum, we have to stay higher level. But you are correct. These are valid points
Toledo at 10% sounds pretty good to me.
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Sure, why not at this point
#discount- These mid schools would be crazy not to take that deal if its offered.
Here is a curveball for you who is to say that the big ten and sec don’t go to let’s say apple or Amazon prime and cut a deal with them to help bring in those other teams and help with there streaming for the future
Why would Duke basketball want to join the SEC? What does SEC basketball do for Duke?
If you let the natural progression of paying players take its course, the SEC and BIG10 end up with the same basketball dominance as football. It’s just not there yet currently.
The problem with different sports and different conferences is that the money from the big conference is still going to trickle down to the Olympic sports
I have no issue with trickling across. The high tide raises all boats
@@CFBAddiction except it wouldn't if one team is being funded by the SEC or Big ten and then the other track program is being funded by the Big East or whatever
Why is it the football players obligation to fund the non-revenue generating sports? Just because the greedy universities and NCAA made an illegal habit out of stealing all the revenue the football players generate doesn't make it right.
I could see UNC join the B10 or sec with kansas
Look, was Maryland a tier one team? B10 added them. Market is what counts!
FSU would be market for B10, not the SEC
Markets do not matter when cable is dead. And cable is dead
@@NA.NA.. Somebody gets it. Thanks.
@chuckwest7045
Is that why USC/UCLA was so important to the B10?
Texas and Oklahoma too?
How many B12 championships do they have recently? One! Only One!
I hope those two shit hole conferences do pull away from the ncaa. Take all your shit hole sports with you. Take your FB money, but don't try to stick around for the BB money. Get lost!
It won't last. The fall will be great!
@@davidtemple2831 Stick around for the basketball money? Surely you jest. The Big Ten and the SEC already get a part of the NCAA tournament money. The rest of the basketball money is peanuts compared to what football brings in. That's what this whole realignment's about: Football and nothing else.
As for the Big Twelve.....In 28 seasons Oklahoma won the Big Twelve 14 times. Texas won it 4 times and the rest of the leftovers (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St. etc.) won the Big Twelve a combined total of 10 times. Learn the facts !!
Basketball money? That's pennies compared to football money. These moves are all about football.
Oklahoma has 14 Big Twelve championships in 28 years. No other Big Twelve member has more than 4. Oklahoma and Texas were the only programs in the Big Twelve that could win a national championship. Now they're gone......long gone.
The B1G has already said that you have to be in or out, no have way. Yes they accommodate ND in hockey, but that's so they have a conference in hockey. They include John Hopkins in lacrosse. The B1G is looking for quality football, TV money and research grant money. The reason they emphasize academics is because their research collation brings in HUGE money to the universities. Its why they considered Stanford and Cal, even though theirs no TV money and its why they will go hard after FSU and NC. And they absolutely can help FSU get in the AAU. They (and there research affiliates) are 28 of the 69 schools and sponsored most of the new schools in. The SEC by comparison has much smaller research money and only 4 schools in the AAU.
Go to the B1G for a temporary discounted price every time.
Agree
Of course. The only thing missing is an invitation from the B1G or SEC.
Miami fans have no problem letting fsu spend all the money on attorney fees while paving the way for the rest of us.
The talking heads that think that just because they say something and make a video about it that it makes it a fact or the truth. Honestly we are here for it ! 🍿👀 😂😂
If Texas Tech, Oklahoma st, Utah. Arizona and others are not additive neither are any other these schools
If those team are in so is most of the big12
Discount… at what point do fans stop paying these exorbitant prices for tickets or sports subscriptions?
What I see in my 🔮
1. B1G selects FSU @ minimal 90% share (due to not being AAU).
2. If UNC sues the ACC individually, then SEC selects them and Clem at a 75% share each, but, if NCSU joins UNC in the lawsuit, both join the SEC at the same rate. I think more potential money would be in monopolizing NC rather than SC. Clem heads to B1G with 75% share until the next media deal.
3. Time for the big brand privates. Mia (70% share) and Duke (50%) both go to B1G.
4. With $1B gained from exit fees and a restructured ESPN media rights deal (minimal 85% value of BIGXII's), no other schools leave the ACC.
5. Under the leadership of ND (still football independent) and UVA, the ACC reorganizes to become a more basketball centric conference yet remains P4 but ranked 4th in football power.
Not exactly what I see as most likely, but definitely plausible
Uh, the B1G dropped the AAU requirement two years ago. Academically, FSU ranks #53, tied with Minnesota, and is ahead in order of Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa, Oregon and Nebraska. Miami, BTW, although an AAU member ranks #67.
In viewership, FSU ranks #7 while Miami ranks #32.
The B1G has stated that any new school would be expected to “pay their way”, that is, generate revenue equal to or greater than the conference distribution. If the payout was $60m, then the new school would have, at a minimum, to generate $60m a year. Last year, FSU generated $78-81m in revenue. Miami generated less than half that. FSU meets the criteria, UM does not.
@@505premoto That's a first; fsu fan talking about how good (?) their academic ranking is.
@@user-mg3nc6iu8t Hmmm. Good (?)? They have been on an upward trajectory for well over a decade. I have watched them rise from #37 to where they are now, tied for #19 in public university rankings. In another decade, they will be in the top 15. Pretty lofty territory. After they get into the B1G, and get tied into the BTAA, they can set their sights on top 10. The top schools excel in athletics and academics. FSU is going to be one of them.
I can see NC State., VA Tech and possibly Duke but others no.
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Big12ish
@@roris5882 What's Big 12ish?
So you're talking about being an affiliate like the Big12 does in wrestling with AFA, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, UNI, California Baptist, Southern Utah, Missouri, and next season I see the Big12 adding Oregon State.
We will see how mid-level come October 26th. Miami is headed to the Big-10 it’s not even a question
🤔 as long as we all win
SEC should do what you say but reallocate every new contract period and bump the Vandy’s down if they aren’t earning their keep.
That’s a slippery slope. If you cut vandy, Arkansas next on the chopping block and you can use logic to justify cuts until you only have Alabama and Georgia. I think you must acknowledge that existing 100% teams are grandfathered in or it’s a non starter
The media markets mean more than the football pedigree. The SEC doesn't need Clem or FSU b/c they already have a presence in both Florida and South Carolina, however If I'm a betting man, I'd say it's going to go like this. UNC, UVA, GT, Miami (maybe Duke too) to B1G and Clem, FSU, VT and NC State to SEC. This gives the B1G presence in So. FL, NC and VA and for the SEC it adds four of the biggest ACC football brands and access into the NC and VA/DC markets. These acquisitions make the most sense academically, athletically, TV market access, etc. Personally as a Va Tech fan, I have mixed desires that don't include the Big XII. I think from a football geographical perspective it probably makes more sense for VaTech to join the SEC. It's Less than a 6.5 hrs drive to UK, Vandy, UT, UGA, and South Carolina, plus Shane Beamer's the coach at USC, which can create a natural rivalry, not to mention if Clem goes to the SEC, that's anohter historic ACC Rival. Va Tech will compete well in the ACC, but will find it hard to break through with the likes of Bama, LSU, GA, TX, Clem and FSU. Conversely, I think Tech will fit well both academically and athletically within the B1G, but the difference being VaTech will be closer to the top in the B1G.
I'm also a VT fan I I think being the northeasternmost school in the SEC sounds like a great position.
As an SEC man, I would welcome UVA or VT
Media markets mean very little now. Alabama draws higher numbers in Seattle than almost every PAC 12 school.
@@frankpotter5936 As a VT fan I second that
VT will be begging for a
big 12 invite and probably won’t get that let alone the SEC or B1G.
I love your videos, but this one is a dream - a bad dream. Permanent lower value teams are not going to help anyway.
Of course the mid tier teams might like that deal. What makes you think that these teams are going to have to think about this?
B1G teams have been very clear, no new members that can not carry their own weight. Neither the SEC nor B1G are in the business of taking teams that have long term potential.
If Duke basketball is added to another league, their football would die. What league would want Duke sports, but not basketball? Look at UConn basketball vs football. Basketball is at the pinnacle at UConn, while their football team might literally shut down.
Maryland fan here. I wouldn't want anyone excepth UNC or Florida State. Look what happened to the ACC. They grabbed all the useless teams like Pitt, BC, and Syracus and they watered down the product.
Couldn’t disagree with you more about the non revenue sports, joining another conference that doesn’t make any sense. No, nobody at Florida State would back the nonrevenue sports if they were in the SEC
Yep, I know it’s radical, but no one would watch a video where I spent an hour explaining the economics. I think if you fully understood the math, you would understand why this is likely inevitable
"Inevitable" for some of the schools. FSU was one of the most sought after for obvious reasons!
@@4.0cre8r5 That's rich. SEC does not want fsu with it's mediocre academics and questionable ethics.So no, it is anything but obvious.
Unequal revenue sharing hasn't worked out so well in the past. Not a recipe for stability or keeping members happy. First step of a slippery slope.
This is fair. But you know every way it failed with Big12, and you tweak your setup to prevent them. You do it for a trial run and continue doing it, if it works.
@@CFBAddiction I don't think any tweaks would work. It would just turn into a festering wound that would get worse over time and sow discontent. Universities are too proud to accept being second class citizens unless there is no other choice. Maybe that's where we're going.
What if the courts refuse to break up the ACC. Will you recover personally?? Why kill a Conference? I hope Congress stops this next year.
Two points the first point is you’re not playing in anywhere you’re playing other teams and you have to win. The second point is these teams is going to a overcrowded conference where they will automatically become an inherit as a bottom feeder irrelevant just stare to collect money that’s it that’s not college football.
Miami, maybe. But they'd have to return to former glory. Other than that, none of the schools are valuable enough for 80%. That's 80-100 mill. At best, they'll get 50%. Which is worth it.
Don’t forget about the added 12-23 million from college football playoff. You gotta add that to the top of their worth in their current conference, which is going to be approaching 50 mil shortly. If a conference is paying 50 mil per member, some are worth more and some are worth less.
By the time the B1G adds ND every member will be making $200M/yearly.
A discount in the P2 > full take in B12. It’s short term either way.
If it's a permanent discount then it's not worth it
Discount
College sports are over, brother. It's nothing like it once was. If you enjoy watching the same script of the same 4 or so teams realistically competing each year, then God Bless. It's only gonna get worse and worse as power continues to consolidate more and more. It's not even really college sports anymore, it's a glorified minor league with no salary cap.
Could not B12 teams make the same deal?
100% could.
No way
Louisville fan, I'd love a move. I grew up 2004 was my first year, and been in love with basketball since and March madness and football. The program and location fits big 12 10 and sec
It's ashamed what's happening to the Acc and the Big East all around in football and basketball. I miss it but forward. I think Louisville could baseball soccer football basketball ( hoping for a solid " leader " ) in basketball and that's back.
Still short changing Syracuse not good for u
Hope they make me eat my words.
@@CFBAddiction watch out this fall I live here and spring practice has been crazy
They did hire a good DB Coach.
@@roris5882 defensive coach too
lol, Stunning indeed it would be. The SEC already has their share of doormats in football. I guess this is good for clicks from fans of those schools though.
Never underestimate how money finds a way. We’ve clearly explained how you can create a win-win financial situation. Give it a few years and check back with us….
Miami should join the MAC maybe they could win a conference championship then , probably not
The Big 12 is going to make more than 60 mill,
One thing everyone needs to know, though college football maybe changing, the SEC and the BIG really haven’t. They have their rules and what they are looking for and don’t have to change. Here are a few for the SEC
1. Flagship state universities only
2. No more than 2 schools per state
3. No one is getting kicked out (sorry)
4. Have to bring a national brand but be regionally ties to the existing conference.
Applying that will show you they are going for NC and VA….that’s about it.
I guess ND isn't getting in then because they are only the flagship university of the Catholic Church and that's not a state.
That’s the state of the catholic church
Absolutely ridiculous analysis. The Big Ten will NOT accept any application from a non-AAU institution. (AAU stands for Association of American Universities. It is the most prestigious academic university association in the U.S.) The Big Ten makes NINE TIMES the amount of money in R&D funding per school than they do from athletics. There is no way the conference would sacrifice their reputation by admitting Virginia Tech and/or Louisville, neither of which are AAU institutions. I hate it when these sports jocks forget this angle...if they even no it in the first place.
Know...
FSU has to join the B1G to get voted into the AAU because the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to help FSU if they join the SEC. FSU has the 55th ranked academics, which is better then half of the B1G, and they already meet the qualifications to get into the AAU. They just require the B1G's academic influence to get them voted in.
Virginia Tech is better academically then Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Oregon, Wisconsin, Penn State, Indiana, Rutgers.
@@Czekaje Yep. NC State is there to. Ignorance is golden on the monkey boards.
Simple answer: Unequal revenue growth, within a conf of peirs, Is NOT a sustainable business model.
It did NOT work for SWC. BIG East, Big12, PAC 12, ACC... and it will NOT work for SEC/B1G.
The fact that O/Wash are make less than Rug./Purdue is already a major issue; and we are seriously discussing tripling down on that proposal? No sir.
"Discount = Death"
I believe before it's over, they'll have pissed off enough fans that they'll end up imploding because of over saturation of a bunch of mediocre teams getting slapped around by the big boys
Big Ten only wants Notre Dame & Boston College (Market)
Boston college lol😅
@@user-ou5mb7us9s Just like Rugters & Maryland. The markets