Light isn't just cruel this episode, he is straight up sadistic. He not only made Raye kill his own colleagues, but he also rubbed it all in his nose as he was dying. And he did it all with a smile.
@@TomTom-nk3qh Ryuk says anyone who uses the Death Note cannot go to heaven or hell. The shinigani world part is a fan theory, but Raye was robbed of an afterlife.
It's left out of the anime, but when they meet on the bus in the manga, Light notices Raye has an accent and asks him about it, to which he responds that he's American, but his mother's Japanese. My head canon is that L chose FBI agents that were all of Japanese descent so that they'd be less suspicious running around Japan.
@@n0tk0sher It's a violation of law enforcement code of conduct. FBI agents can use codenames and fake names but they cannot use or be in possession of fake ID's. It's a constitutional Pandora's box that L has the sense to avoid.
@@NOU-iw3gb I know what a plot hole is wise guy 😑 If there are gaps in the storyline or character development or when the narration stops following it's own logic. In this instance, L didn't even think of giving aliases to all the fbi agents. The moment they landed in Japan, they should've adopted fake names n IDs and they should've started communicating with each other on that basis even on their personal laptops. Author tried so hard to show how genius L was then how come L didn't think of this beforehand?
This is probably the worst way light used the deathnote, cause not only did he kill Raye he also made Raye unknowingly sign away his eternity in heaven.
@@ItsMeBarnaby there is no rule. Because Ryuk never says that other humans go to heaven or hell he just says that people that use the death note dont go to heaven or hell. In the manga they outright say it
@@ItsMeBarnabyIn the manga, they elaborate more on this point. When Ryuk tells Light that rule, Light deduces that Heaven and Hell don’t exist. To which, Ryuk confirms it. He tells Light that all humans go to “Mu” or “Nothingness”, regardless of who they were or what they did in life. The anime leaves that part of their exchange out
Imagine you’re just walking, aware no one here knows you are an FBI agent, and then someone walks up behind you and says they are one of the worst modern mass murderers. The doom that would entail, like, ok, I give up, I know I am not winning this one. Then having to give said criminal your team’s names before dying and realizing the murderer was the person you crossed off the suspect list.
Most reactors I've seen don't pick up on that Light's evil in this episode is deeper than ever. He made someone unwittingly write names in the Death Note, meaning he condemned them to purgatory. I'm glad you guys remembered that bit of the rules.
The thing ryuk mentioned about hell or heaven is false. There is no hell or heaven in the death light universe. Light knows it already but anime omits that part.
@@simrangill3299 i think what ryuk actually meant by that is those who use the deathnote become shinigami when they die as a punishment, therefore not being able to go to heaven or hell.
@lgrimes I thought so too but that's not true either. Anyone who dies in death note goes to the same place; mu(nothingness). There is no hell or heaven and light is dead i.e. he's not a shinigami either.
The purpose of the suicide notes sent by Kira to L was to keep him busy and distract him while Kira planned the death of the rest of the agents, that's why L got angry when he received the last letter and realized that it was nothing important
I took Ray shutting down Naomi less as him undermining her capabilities and more as him not wanting her to get involved in the Kira case because of how dangerous it is and they already agreed that she’d retire from the FBI work. Though I’ll admit some of the dialogue itself didn’t really age well
But Naomi saying that it was suspicious didn't bring her in danger. And even if it did, she had already said it. So why didn't he listen to her when she made a very good point
Me, too. But maybe, because I used to have the German dub in mind and he was waaaaaay kinder in German. I was shocked hearing this kinda rude dialogue here! 😂 It absolutely doesn't fit to the Raye Penber I know. 😂
Light gains satisfaction from outsmarting people. He loves outwitting someone else. So him revealing himself to Raye, while doesn't appear to have benefits to him, he just revels in the fact he out played Raye
Yes, he wants them to know. He's been praised for being smart his whole life. He doesn't know how to be genius in secret like Kira needs to be. He has Ryuk to brag to, but he doesn't care enough for it to be satisfactory to Light.
Light literally has supernatural powers that L doesn't know the rules of on his side plus the luck that his father is a chief of police and he has untraceable access to police files. He has a ton of resources that are simply luck based.
L inviting the team over was an interesting move, I later would realize that is one of the more tamer moves he does. But while Light is writing away, L is working to get ahead. Can’t wait to see your guy’s reaction!
The reason Light had Raye write in the Death Note is because Light knew who the head of the FBI was through public information, but Light can only control someone if that thing is likely something they would do. It's not likely that the head of the FBI would post the names and faces of the FBI agents in Japan to the public. So instead Light has Raye write the name of the FBI agent heading the Kira investigation, and controls the head agent to send the names and faces of all the FBI agents to all the other FBI agents on the case, which is something which isn't as unlikely as making that information public. This is important because even Raye was unlikely to know every other agent on his mission,
Light is a bonified psychopath, in accord with the traits specific to psychopathy. Preformative empathy, cold and calculating, extremely egocentric, shallow front facing relationships. The appearance of the Death Note plays right into his psychopathology.
@@miguelfonseca1104 It's extremely reductive to just dismiss Light as a believer in consequentialist ethics. He simultaneously is relying on consequentialist ethics while also being a psychopath. A normal consequentialist would not react the way he does to things. Like, if you use the Trolley Problem as an example, a consequentialist would obviously say kill the least number of people. Light is "killing the least number of people" and deriving sadistic pleasure from doing so.
@@miguelfonseca1104 I don't think light is a psychopath but he's very sociopathic narcissistic delusional and hypocritical. light isn't doing this because he wants the world to be safe for others or because he's good. He's doing it because he has a god complex and like all God's wants to shape the world to conform to his ideals. Everything light does he does for no one but himself and his ego. Light doesn't have any ethics (at least not any that he follows himself other than "act normal")
@@calvintyler9281 light is doing this because he wants a better world 😂 that's literally why he continued using the death note, he had a whole dialogue in the first episode with Ryuk on how he wants to change the world for the better
We know for a fact that when light doesn't know he is kira, he actively works on the investigation and wants to catch kira. We got to see his real views on kira from an outsider perspective.
@@matheusm.santana6527 it's actually very interesting to see that, deep down, Light knows exactly what he's doing, but he overlooks and justifies it through his god complex and other things. Amnesia Light just creates such an interesting perspective on his character
Light’s plan is genuinely so smart. One of the intrigues of this show is figuring out what plan Light will come up with next. Or what big brain move L will do.
It's a really stupid plan. But it is very complicated. It's diabolical. In real life every complication is a potential point of failure. Also killing the FBI agent investigating you is really dumb. It is very Japanese though. The Imperial Japanese Navy in WW2 came up with overcomplicated battle plans.
@@Dragon-Believer oh yeah killing an fbi agent is so stupid lmao. But it manages to work in it's canon so I except it as genius. Definitely way too risky for real life. The complexity shows his intelligence, which also manages to be his downfall, he overthinks, which is great for some stuff, but ultimately, there was such a simpler way to go about it. Though true genius would be to just find a way to prove his innocence instead of fucking killing the guy stalking you in the same method that the killer you are being accused of does lmao. But for what he was trying to do it was genius
@@kal.august.yippee all he was doing was writing in a book. The only thing he had to do was hide the book. Granted. Not as easy as it sounds. You don't want to bury it in your back yard or something like that. The act of trying to hide it can draw attention to it. You could get caught because your neighbors wondered what you were burying in the back yard. I'd just put it on my shelf in plain sight in between a bunch of very boring books. That would be the safest thing imo. But if I was Light it would be a boring show.
@@kal.august.yippee I took his weird actions as evidence that owning a Death Note was not good for his mental health. Not that it was a problem with the story.
The bus driver didn't really remember the other passengers because he was focused on the lpud high jacker, and Raye was the only passenger that stood out because he actively confronted him. Light just sat quietly in the back blending in the crowd without bringing attention to himself.
I'm pretty sure the whole scenario was written out in the Death Note already, just like with the Busjacker. His actions were likely compelled by it at that point.
@@imjonathan6745 I don't remember claiming that I was. I was just speculating based on the information the series had provided us with. It's called making an educated guess.
Ray's death was very iconic in the manga series and studio Madhouse recreated it flawlessly in the anime. The camera angles, Light's haunting cold stare, it's so well recreated. The art style in the manga is just as beautiful as Madhouse's animation.
light and l's themes are based on tubular bells. you can hear it in l's theme a, and it also ties into him "hearing the bells" in the c version, but it's especially noticeable in light's theme b. it's basically tubular bells with a few alternative notes.
In America at the time this was made it was against the rules for two FBI members to be in a relationship. That's why he doesn't want her working the case. She's not supposed to do agent work at all since she quit the force.
@@placeboobshere5458 Light sees himself as a god. So he perceives opposition to him as blasphemy. So these people commuted a crime in his eyes and that justifies his killings to him
With the whole "I think it's honorable" thing, if I understand correctly the culture in Japan is really emphatic about "it would be better to die honorably than to live and be a coward," especially for those who are more traditional (which Soichiro definitely is), so it probably didn't sound as callous or cold in context as Montana was saying. Obviously they didn't *want* him to die, but it would be disgraceful to some extent if he gave up.
Loved the FMAB reactions, and loving this series as well! It's great how you guys have a brief discussion time but not too long to make sure that you dont miss details. Subbed!
Not sure if you already are doing it, but keep track of the Death Note rules in the eyecatch each episode. They get more significant as the series goes on.
Ray did know Light’s voice but since it’s been a week since they met. he forgot. Says if you meet your friend’s friends for 5 mins last week. would you still remember them ?
Spoiler There's no afterlife in Death Note universe. In the last episode there's this rule on "How to use". You know, the information card mid episode break stuff. It says something along the lines of : "All humans go to Mu (nothingness) after death". Ryuk saying Death Note user can't go to heaven or hell was just him messing around because there's no heaven or hell in Death Note universe 😁
@@gothorn2758 Yeah nobody gets this at all even though it's made explicit. Manga readers are more likely to get it because the revelation is more in your face.
@@MagmaSpacer If the user believes that they lose their chance to reach heaven, it’s the same as sacrificing half you lifespan. You have to be fully committed to make those choices. Us knowing that the choice has no consequences does matter. It matters to them bc they fully believe that they’re losing something by using it.
And just like that, you've helped me catch up to where I had to stop last time I watched this series! I started watching it with my roommate a couple years ago, but he never showed me anything past this episode and I couldn't remember where we had watched to so I just dropped it. Thanks for the opportunity guys!
I want to see how you guys compare Light, Eren and Lelouch from Code Geass. These 3 characters are similar but different in their own way. Would like to see you'll make a parrel analysis on these characters
11:47, In the manga light had raye called his boss and request information for the other agents he didn’t just for some reason know the file was coming, he also made raye tell his boss to send the file to all the agents to erase any paper trail and I think Raye was the third person to get the file
The reason Light knew the file was coming was because he used the Death Note to control the FBI boss to send the files to all his agents, that's why he had Raye write the name of his boss first. Technically that's even smarter, because then there is no call log too, (plus I don't think Raye would get cell reception in a tunnel)
Light had Raye write his boss's name first, because the circumstances of the boss's death that Light wrote out was that he would send that file out to all the agents before dying. Light didn't just magically know the file was coming, he orchestrated it.
@@anthonydugar282 You’re not comprehending lol The head of the FBI task force for the KIRA investigation (Not the Director of the whole FBI) died immediately after sending all 12 of his agents the file with their coworkers’ names in it. He sent the file because light added it to the death note as his method of death.
I'm watching along with you guys for the first time, so I don't know that happens next, but here's my interpretation on Light. I believe he has natural killer and manipulation tendencies (probably originating from being told he was a genius so often in his formative years), and that growing up under his dad's influence helped him mask his true desires under this supposed sense of "justice." He placated himself for years by rising to the top of the academic and social ladders and believing himself to be better than everyone. Using them, even. But now that he has the Death Note, he's willing to give himself permission to indulge in those dark desires. He's bought so heavily into his dad's sense of justice that he's convinced himself that he's only doing this because he's a "good person." But underneath, his true self is starting to show -- by attempting to kill L just for insulting him. For showing himself to Rey just for the satisfaction. He's quite the terrifying monster.
this is the correct interpretation of the truth.Light depends on its own idea.He did not even try to ask any questions, he did not develop any methods of selecting criminals, not a single doubt about his views and actions, he probably did not even open a single book, did not read a single philosophy.All he cared about was not the world, but his idea, under this idea was a thirst for power and recognition.In the end, he just wanted to destroy justice, which is essentially absurd.Completely blind to feelings , he did not care about humanity .In addition , uncontrolled selfishness , desire and boredom caused such frenzied impulses in him .
@@ghfXX tbf, the guy is like a genius and does great in school, I think he's definitely aware of different philosophy. He literally just doesn't care, as he's said, he wants to be the new God so none of the establish morality or rules would need apply in his mind.
See all those people standing in the train It's impossible to ask someone to freely choose a seat in a crowded train Especially the seat near the entrance door The choosing seat scenario would have been believable if they on a late night train with few passengers
23:42 I have a head-cannon about what it means when it says “those who write in this book cannot go to heaven or hell” Wouldn’t it be hilarious if that meant that they become a new Shinigami
The bus driver sees so many people a day, he just couldn't recall anyone in particular on the bus. The human memory is not very good. Most eye witness testimony is very flawed.
2:45 there are countless people IRL who are that slime and tricky enough to manipulate the situation without even needing a deathnote to manipulate the situation. 4:46 keep in mind these manga were written in 2003-06 so yeah old school stereotypes are obvious.
Getting people to do what you want is a very underrated skill/talent. The best negotiators and diplomats understand how to turn opposing views into aligning views, enemies to allies. Twisting dialogue in such a way to simply make people think you are doing what is in their best interests and having them join forces with you (Help me help you) is very effective.
Right now I am currently watching this too! Such an amazing show. I can’t wait to see the reaction to the new Attack on Titan season coming out March 4! You guys are my favorite channel! ❤️
Light did wait a couple of weeks til he did that plan with Raye Penber, But He is really sadistic with this plan too, He scared the shit out of him, then rubbed it in his face as he was dying, And he made Raye kill his colleges with the Death Note. A rule of the Death Note is, Anyone who uses it cannot go to Heaven or Hell for all eternity. He made Raye use the Death Note so who knows where Raye went after he died.
Light chose not to pursue his dad out of the investigation because he wanted his him to get closer to Because he already knew that his dad was in charge of the investigation pursuing him to quit means he will lose access to the information
Isn't it kinda dumb for ray penber to dismiss his wife after she made a very good point? Even if he was mad, that's not a coincidence that you can ignore after it's brought up
@@lilshmet4167 Because he just wants her to give birth to his kids and be a family woman. Her having ideas and investigating is outside of what he wants from their marriage.
@@ThatSamoanGuy why do people automatically assume that he was being misogynistic? Comments like the Tuy's is a more understandable explanation of why he shut her down. She voluntarily left her career to start a family with him.
I just realized at the start Ray doesn't say who or what he's investigating, or that he even knows who Light is, or who his father is. Light in turn saying specifically he wouldn't tell his father should have pointed right to him knowing way too much about the investigation.
I normally absolutely HATE it when reactors pause what they're watching to discuss it, but the timer really helps. Well done, that's a really good addition to the reaction format that I hope similar creators adopt
Spoiler There's no afterlife in Death Note universe. In the last episode there's this rule on "How to use". You know, the information card mid episode break stuff. It says something along the lines of : "All humans go to Mu (nothingness) after death". Ryuk saying Death Note user can't go to heaven or hell was just him messing around because there's no heaven or hell in Death Note universe 😁
@@me56ize No. You don't know what you're talking about. Go read chapter 107 of Death Note. That chapter ends on a black page with the two following lines : "All humans will, without exception, eventually die." "After they die, the place they go is Mu. (Nothingness)"
i wouldnt say ray sucks. This was written in japan where the assumtion is that when a woman is married she will no longer need to work. The reason he gets a little angry is because he really REALLY does not want the woman he loves to die by sticking her nose into a case in which a guy can kill without even being near you.
Here’s my question about the Death Note, can you extend your own life after writing the specific time you’ll die? Say you are going to die at the age of 50, but you do the math and write down the time you’ll die at the age of 100. Would that work?
I love this episode. There is a difference in the way it's presented in the manga because of timing, but I actually prefer the way it's presented in the anime
This is the second large mistake Light/Kira makes. The first one is when he kills Lind L Taylor on live T.V. because he lost his cool. He couldnt have known that it was only being shown in Kanto japan but still its just a bad move. This one is even rougher because he didnt know Ray was dont watching him after that day. Light could have stayed home like he normally did and it would have been over.
I think ray was just trying to be protective of his girlfriend from getting involved, considering they were going against a somewhat supernatural enemy. I mean, he did loose his life for his involvement.
Spoiler If only light just let Ray Pember go. I may not be as smart as light but I'm 100 % sure I wouldn't get caught cause I wouldn't kill everyone with heart attacks to be known and I don't have a god complex. These were the reasons for his downfall. If only he had been smarter to get rid of his God complex
“If only light just let Ray Pember go” Light would be always in surveillance as they predicted that Kira is someone close to police and there is no other lead so they will start to make the surveillance harder with cameras just to confirm after that he can’t really do much So it makes his previous move of letting L know that he is someone close to police turns to disadvantage from advantage in lights side
“I wouldn’t kill everyone with heart attacks to be known ” Well if u thought u are smart cause u kill everyone in different methods How many methods that u gonna come up with ? Like a 1000 ? After like 3 or 4 years do u think no body gonna realizes that all popular criminals are dying in a greater rate for no reason then the same story gonna continue like L comes into this case And the main advantage that he gets from killing criminals just by heart attack is that others don’t know about it so it will keep him at advantage all the time would be gone If u don’t became known to the world, the crime rate never gonna drop so u just have to do more homework? Like 70% more homework and mostly minor crimes are not gonna be committed due to fear , without fear u have to kill those minor criminals too
@@S_29 yep even though L outsmarted light in the tv scene of the 2nd episode, light could have just let it go without showing L he had access to police information so he could get close to him and kill him. Even though L suspected it was a student there are millions of students in the kantel region. There was no way L would get close to light had light not showed his access to police information and killed Ray Pember. It only just narrowed it down faster to light. In short Light was his own downfall
@@S_29 bruh😅 he made a good point. You're just a light stan trying to defend your giga chad. Let's face it as smart as light was, he made some careless mistakes than anyone with comments sense wouldn't do
Ray Penber doesn't suck. He may sound sexist but that wasn't the intention behind the character. He knows Kira can kill by just knowing face and name, that's why he didn't want Naomi to get involved in the case, the English dub made him sound harsher than the original Japanese imo. Ray and Naomi's deaths were very tragic in the manga and the first glimpse at how sadistic Light could be. It is a turning point for a lot of fans who were otherwise inclined to root for Light's vigilantism.
I originally watched this anime subbed, and Raye was much less of a dick in that conversation with Naomi. I think it’s just the tone the English VA took, but I swear I don’t remember him being that dickish about it. In the sub he seems more genuinely concerned for her safety as opposed to kind of condescending.
Raye's refusal to hear Naomi out was, in my opinion, a huge mistake. Sure, they made a deal, but what Naomi was saying made a lot of sense and Raye completely shutting Naomi down kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, and the whole "You used to be a great agent, now you're just my fiancée was *really* off-putting.
It didn't make a lot of sense to raye..as he already knew light isn't kira that's why he showed his Id to light in the first place I think the reason for shutting naomi down is simple as he explained later that he didn't want naomi to get into trouble by participating in it. I know it wasn't right for him to completely shut her up, even so what can be done it's for the plot.
There's a light novel that takes place a year or so before death note proper I believe and it's called the BB Murders case and Naomi worked with L and she actually took him down and she ended up training L in the martial art thishr used
It actually sounds much worse in sub (the original). Ray is rather clearly depicted as someone with the idea that women's best place is at home taking care of the family and that he is shutting Naomi down because he doesn't think it's her place to speak on the matter anymore. His tone is much colder and firmer. It's probably too off putting for the English audience since the west is much less tolerating to things like this than the general East Asian societies. So they've tuned it down in the dub.
@@DL-idk The weird thing about all that is that Ohba repeats that exact sort of sexist drivel in his other works, but doesn't treat it as incorrect. I wonder if we're actually supposed to agree with Raye here?
I don't think Raye was dismissing his fiance's skills at all - he openly said she was one of the best. But we only hear his frustration - she could easily be a workaholic where in so many other shows (and real life) she had no work life balance & its hurt her family and friends beyond the typical "call of duty". So many law enforcement & health care professionals have had to walk away from their careers for the sake of their own health & their family's health. Her being unable to just listen to her future husband vent vs try to get involved because it's too irresistible is not a good sign. Besides the fact investigators can't be bringing in people, no matter their skill, without their superiors approval so they shouldn't be going into details about an open investigation in the first place - if two people claim to want to be able to facilitate a future family & decided the only way to do that when they both have very demanding jobs is for one to no longer stay at that job, but that person can't let go they are now stringing the other person along & are in denial about the disconnect and future issues their family will have. We don't hear how she may have gushed & talked about wanting a bid family badly for years, so him bringing up running after kids would keep her busy and her mind off work (which is most likely true because motherhood is obviously a consuming role but just for humans but many animals) means nothing. People just ASSUME which if anyone took anything from Raye's fate is DO NOT ASSUME - Raye assumed Kira could only kill how Kira had REVEALED he could kill & Light assumed Raye's loved one was just some random person, dumber than him.
I just realised how risky Light's plan here was. If Penber had placed Light's voice sooner, there's a non-negligible chance that he'd have tried to tear off a piece of the paper he was given and written his name so that if something did happen to him, it would be found on his person.
“Raye sucks Counter,” no, that counter sucks. What sucks about a man trying to protect his fiancé? Plus she promised she wouldn’t get involved, so Raye is being controlling or anything as that counter suggests. He’s just reminding his fiancé that she promised not to get involved in the Kira case. Light’s dad is totally in danger. In episode 2 Light was prepared to kill his family if they found the Death Note.
"Any Human who writes a name in the Death Note shall neither go to Heaven nor Hell for all eternity".. Raye is now in purgatory for all time because he used the Death Note.
i would really suggest to you ro react to some anime movies lika your name, silent voice, weathring with you and etc... and also loved the reaction death note is really a masterpiece
I would love to see them react to Code Geass but most probably my hero will win cause there are more mha fans. Id you want to see code geass then get their patreon ans vote foe code geass in their poll
@@andrewkeshan8649 yeah I just got their patreon. Waiting for Code Geass to make it to the polls. Perfect series to watch after Deathnote and it's right up their ally
🤩Oh boy if they start reacting to Code Geass, I will be their for every premiere just like how I'm always here for death note. Both these shows are goated
The 2. Seson of the ancient magus bride is comming. Can you react to this? the anime is about magic and mysticism. Greeding from your fan from germany😊
Gotta love the "Oof yikes" to the 4:50 comment XD Ray isnt being some mysoginist asshole here. Im pretty sure that kids and a normal life would be "better things" than pouring over the facts of grisly murder cases right? Not to mention her last big case nearly got her killed (not talked about in the anime but in another short book). I always find it funny that a man commenting on how a woman being a housewife could ever possibly be better than a career is seen as such a scandalous omg what a jerk thing to say XD
People brainwashed by Western Media and institutions to believe that career is more important than family and tradition is bad and oppressive even through even mainstream journals admit that women’s happiness has been on the decline in recent times despite moving away from traditional family values and stuff.
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Light isn't just cruel this episode, he is straight up sadistic. He not only made Raye kill his own colleagues, but he also rubbed it all in his nose as he was dying. And he did it all with a smile.
Its his style
He always kills like that
Can't Say When, Would Be A Spoiler
But I Think You Know What I'm Talking About
The saddest part is that ray penber is going to go the shinigami world because he used the death note :(
@@nestor11811 Thats just a fan theory. There is no afterlife for humans in death note.
@@TomTom-nk3qh Ryuk says anyone who uses the Death Note cannot go to heaven or hell. The shinigani world part is a fan theory, but Raye was robbed of an afterlife.
Yeah but Ray didn't know he killed his own colleagues. Or did he? Am I missing something?
It's left out of the anime, but when they meet on the bus in the manga, Light notices Raye has an accent and asks him about it, to which he responds that he's American, but his mother's Japanese. My head canon is that L chose FBI agents that were all of Japanese descent so that they'd be less suspicious running around Japan.
Yeah, but I always hated it that L didn't give them all aliases.
@@n0tk0sher It's a violation of law enforcement code of conduct. FBI agents can use codenames and fake names but they cannot use or be in possession of fake ID's. It's a constitutional Pandora's box that L has the sense to avoid.
@@n0tk0sher yes that was a really big mistake, honestly I think of it as a plot hole
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Do you even know what a plot hole means?
@@NOU-iw3gb I know what a plot hole is wise guy 😑 If there are gaps in the storyline or character development or when the narration stops following it's own logic. In this instance, L didn't even think of giving aliases to all the fbi agents. The moment they landed in Japan, they should've adopted fake names n IDs and they should've started communicating with each other on that basis even on their personal laptops. Author tried so hard to show how genius L was then how come L didn't think of this beforehand?
This is probably the worst way light used the deathnote, cause not only did he kill Raye he also made Raye unknowingly sign away his eternity in heaven.
dispite the fact that heaven nor hell exist
@@macdaddy1376en la cosmogonía de la serie si, no te reflejes innecesariamente
@@ItsMeBarnaby there is no rule. Because Ryuk never says that other humans go to heaven or hell he just says that people that use the death note dont go to heaven or hell. In the manga they outright say it
@@ItsMeBarnabybecause its ryuk. He likes to amuse himself, he doesnt say the whole truth
@@ItsMeBarnabyIn the manga, they elaborate more on this point. When Ryuk tells Light that rule, Light deduces that Heaven and Hell don’t exist. To which, Ryuk confirms it. He tells Light that all humans go to “Mu” or “Nothingness”, regardless of who they were or what they did in life. The anime leaves that part of their exchange out
Imagine you’re just walking, aware no one here knows you are an FBI agent, and then someone walks up behind you and says they are one of the worst modern mass murderers. The doom that would entail, like, ok, I give up, I know I am not winning this one. Then having to give said criminal your team’s names before dying and realizing the murderer was the person you crossed off the suspect list.
Most reactors I've seen don't pick up on that Light's evil in this episode is deeper than ever. He made someone unwittingly write names in the Death Note, meaning he condemned them to purgatory. I'm glad you guys remembered that bit of the rules.
Well, actually not, but yes he was sadistic
Light says he is justice.
The thing ryuk mentioned about hell or heaven is false. There is no hell or heaven in the death light universe. Light knows it already but anime omits that part.
@@simrangill3299 i think what ryuk actually meant by that is those who use the deathnote become shinigami when they die as a punishment, therefore not being able to go to heaven or hell.
@lgrimes I thought so too but that's not true either. Anyone who dies in death note goes to the same place; mu(nothingness). There is no hell or heaven and light is dead i.e. he's not a shinigami either.
The purpose of the suicide notes sent by Kira to L was to keep him busy and distract him while Kira planned the death of the rest of the agents, that's why L got angry when he received the last letter and realized that it was nothing important
I never picked up on that
I took Ray shutting down Naomi less as him undermining her capabilities and more as him not wanting her to get involved in the Kira case because of how dangerous it is and they already agreed that she’d retire from the FBI work. Though I’ll admit some of the dialogue itself didn’t really age well
That's exactly how it was supposed to be interpreted, but women these days WANT to believe everything a man says is misogynistic.
But Naomi saying that it was suspicious didn't bring her in danger. And even if it did, she had already said it. So why didn't he listen to her when she made a very good point
@@lilshmet4167 Bc Ray sucked as always, which is why I laugh every time I seen him die 😂
Me, too. But maybe, because I used to have the German dub in mind and he was waaaaaay kinder in German. I was shocked hearing this kinda rude dialogue here! 😂
It absolutely doesn't fit to the Raye Penber I know. 😂
@@robertoschirmer5530 what did he say in the German dub?
Light gains satisfaction from outsmarting people. He loves outwitting someone else. So him revealing himself to Raye, while doesn't appear to have benefits to him, he just revels in the fact he out played Raye
Yes, he wants them to know. He's been praised for being smart his whole life. He doesn't know how to be genius in secret like Kira needs to be. He has Ryuk to brag to, but he doesn't care enough for it to be satisfactory to Light.
Yup. Great characterization.
Light's dad is one of the greatest characters of all time, and you cannot change my mind
Light had ridiculous advantage over L. If he isn't so arrogant Light can never be caught.
*Light never kills fake L in episode 2.*
He wins!
@@saltyk9869 the moment he kills a non criminal (or well who he thought was one) he loses
A lot of serial killers in the past liked to subtly draw attention to themselves and got a thrill of being chased / evading law enforcement.
Light literally has supernatural powers that L doesn't know the rules of on his side plus the luck that his father is a chief of police and he has untraceable access to police files. He has a ton of resources that are simply luck based.
It tells us about the human nature of light , light is not a god he is a human who gets overcome by human emotions such as anger and his ego
L inviting the team over was an interesting move, I later would realize that is one of the more tamer moves he does. But while Light is writing away, L is working to get ahead. Can’t wait to see your guy’s reaction!
The reason Light had Raye write in the Death Note is because Light knew who the head of the FBI was through public information, but Light can only control someone if that thing is likely something they would do. It's not likely that the head of the FBI would post the names and faces of the FBI agents in Japan to the public. So instead Light has Raye write the name of the FBI agent heading the Kira investigation, and controls the head agent to send the names and faces of all the FBI agents to all the other FBI agents on the case, which is something which isn't as unlikely as making that information public. This is important because even Raye was unlikely to know every other agent on his mission,
Light is a bonified psychopath, in accord with the traits specific to psychopathy. Preformative empathy, cold and calculating, extremely egocentric, shallow front facing relationships. The appearance of the Death Note plays right into his psychopathology.
thats lazy. Light believes the ends justifies the means, its pure consequentialist ethics.
But he's right tho
@@miguelfonseca1104 It's extremely reductive to just dismiss Light as a believer in consequentialist ethics. He simultaneously is relying on consequentialist ethics while also being a psychopath. A normal consequentialist would not react the way he does to things. Like, if you use the Trolley Problem as an example, a consequentialist would obviously say kill the least number of people. Light is "killing the least number of people" and deriving sadistic pleasure from doing so.
@@miguelfonseca1104 I don't think light is a psychopath but he's very sociopathic narcissistic delusional and hypocritical. light isn't doing this because he wants the world to be safe for others or because he's good. He's doing it because he has a god complex and like all God's wants to shape the world to conform to his ideals. Everything light does he does for no one but himself and his ego. Light doesn't have any ethics (at least not any that he follows himself other than "act normal")
@@calvintyler9281 light is doing this because he wants a better world 😂 that's literally why he continued using the death note, he had a whole dialogue in the first episode with Ryuk on how he wants to change the world for the better
I think that if Light wasn't Kira he would not only encourage his Dad to keep searching but ask to help him
We know for a fact that when light doesn't know he is kira, he actively works on the investigation and wants to catch kira. We got to see his real views on kira from an outsider perspective.
@@matheusm.santana6527 it's actually very interesting to see that, deep down, Light knows exactly what he's doing, but he overlooks and justifies it through his god complex and other things. Amnesia Light just creates such an interesting perspective on his character
Light’s plan is genuinely so smart. One of the intrigues of this show is figuring out what plan Light will come up with next. Or what big brain move L will do.
It's a really stupid plan. But it is very complicated. It's diabolical.
In real life every complication is a potential point of failure. Also killing the FBI agent investigating you is really dumb.
It is very Japanese though. The Imperial Japanese Navy in WW2 came up with overcomplicated battle plans.
@@Dragon-Believer oh yeah killing an fbi agent is so stupid lmao. But it manages to work in it's canon so I except it as genius. Definitely way too risky for real life. The complexity shows his intelligence, which also manages to be his downfall, he overthinks, which is great for some stuff, but ultimately, there was such a simpler way to go about it. Though true genius would be to just find a way to prove his innocence instead of fucking killing the guy stalking you in the same method that the killer you are being accused of does lmao. But for what he was trying to do it was genius
@@kal.august.yippee all he was doing was writing in a book. The only thing he had to do was hide the book. Granted. Not as easy as it sounds. You don't want to bury it in your back yard or something like that. The act of trying to hide it can draw attention to it. You could get caught because your neighbors wondered what you were burying in the back yard. I'd just put it on my shelf in plain sight in between a bunch of very boring books. That would be the safest thing imo.
But if I was Light it would be a boring show.
@@kal.august.yippee I took his weird actions as evidence that owning a Death Note was not good for his mental health. Not that it was a problem with the story.
I laughed out loud at “Ray Penbar sucks counter. “
@@intensemk1381 Facts
@@intensemk1381 Oh no! A feminist, oh nooo. Equal rights, how awful!
@@lilshmet4167 sometimes I wonder how shallow, power-and-sex-fantasy isekais flourish and then I see comments like the ones above lmao
@@intensemk1381 You need to grow up there lad.
@@intensemk1381 Having a wife you love isn't being a simp.. work on your relationships dude.
23:45 Oh my lord I never thought about that. He didnt just rob his life, he literally robbed his afterlife too
The bus driver didn't really remember the other passengers because he was focused on the lpud high jacker, and Raye was the only passenger that stood out because he actively confronted him. Light just sat quietly in the back blending in the crowd without bringing attention to himself.
Ray is scared, but I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if he just turned and grabbed Light
I'm pretty sure the whole scenario was written out in the Death Note already, just like with the Busjacker. His actions were likely compelled by it at that point.
@@LinkedToReality yeah, light was there just to get the pages back otherwise he didn't need to be there for all of this to happen
@@LinkedToReality but you are not the writer though
@@imjonathan6745 I don't remember claiming that I was. I was just speculating based on the information the series had provided us with. It's called making an educated guess.
Ray's death was very iconic in the manga series and studio Madhouse recreated it flawlessly in the anime. The camera angles, Light's haunting cold stare, it's so well recreated. The art style in the manga is just as beautiful as Madhouse's animation.
I gotta say I love the soundtrack, gives me "Exorcist vibes" especially the track with the soft alternating piano keys.
light and l's themes are based on tubular bells. you can hear it in l's theme a, and it also ties into him "hearing the bells" in the c version, but it's especially noticeable in light's theme b. it's basically tubular bells with a few alternative notes.
In America at the time this was made it was against the rules for two FBI members to be in a relationship. That's why he doesn't want her working the case. She's not supposed to do agent work at all since she quit the force.
I really like this line "orchestrating situations where it's in people's best interest to do what is in your best interest."
What crime did the agent commit? Oh right, he didn't commit any. Light just wanted to play with his death book some more.
He committed blasphemy. Daring to oppose the god of this new world. He would sacrifice humanity's future for some arbitrary laws
@@ryuhitsuya21 Yep. That's pretty much Light's perspective.
@@ryuhitsuya21 That would be only true if Light was an actual god.
working for the demon lord that wants to stop the hero from saving the world is a crime.
@@placeboobshere5458 Light sees himself as a god. So he perceives opposition to him as blasphemy. So these people commuted a crime in his eyes and that justifies his killings to him
With the whole "I think it's honorable" thing, if I understand correctly the culture in Japan is really emphatic about "it would be better to die honorably than to live and be a coward," especially for those who are more traditional (which Soichiro definitely is), so it probably didn't sound as callous or cold in context as Montana was saying. Obviously they didn't *want* him to die, but it would be disgraceful to some extent if he gave up.
Loved the FMAB reactions, and loving this series as well! It's great how you guys have a brief discussion time but not too long to make sure that you dont miss details. Subbed!
Not sure if you already are doing it, but keep track of the Death Note rules in the eyecatch each episode. They get more significant as the series goes on.
Ray did know Light’s voice but since it’s been a week since they met. he forgot.
Says if you meet your friend’s friends for 5 mins last week. would you still remember them ?
Light really planned AHEAD this episode
Plz watch code geass next 😢 (dub)
@@S_29 Agreed! Code Geass is one of the classics for good reason.
code geass completes death note in a lot of ways with its story ands themes.
Raye also never went to heaven after he died because light made him write on a piece of the deathnote.
Spoiler
There's no afterlife in Death Note universe. In the last episode there's this rule on "How to use". You know, the information card mid episode break stuff. It says something along the lines of : "All humans go to Mu (nothingness) after death".
Ryuk saying Death Note user can't go to heaven or hell was just him messing around because there's no heaven or hell in Death Note universe 😁
Oh....
@@gothorn2758 Yeah nobody gets this at all even though it's made explicit. Manga readers are more likely to get it because the revelation is more in your face.
@@gothorn2758 Not a personal fan of that because it makes the whole using of the Death Note less of a substantial choice. But that’s just me
@@MagmaSpacer
If the user believes that they lose their chance to reach heaven, it’s the same as sacrificing half you lifespan.
You have to be fully committed to make those choices.
Us knowing that the choice has no consequences does matter. It matters to them bc they fully believe that they’re losing something by using it.
And just like that, you've helped me catch up to where I had to stop last time I watched this series! I started watching it with my roommate a couple years ago, but he never showed me anything past this episode and I couldn't remember where we had watched to so I just dropped it. Thanks for the opportunity guys!
Why didn’t u just search up where to watch it
I want to see how you guys compare Light, Eren and Lelouch from Code Geass.
These 3 characters are similar but different in their own way. Would like to see you'll make a parrel analysis on these characters
11:47, In the manga light had raye called his boss and request information for the other agents he didn’t just for some reason know the file was coming, he also made raye tell his boss to send the file to all the agents to erase any paper trail and I think Raye was the third person to get the file
The reason Light knew the file was coming was because he used the Death Note to control the FBI boss to send the files to all his agents, that's why he had Raye write the name of his boss first. Technically that's even smarter, because then there is no call log too, (plus I don't think Raye would get cell reception in a tunnel)
@@iminumst7827 are you sure the boss was still alive by the end of this episode?
Light had Raye write his boss's name first, because the circumstances of the boss's death that Light wrote out was that he would send that file out to all the agents before dying. Light didn't just magically know the file was coming, he orchestrated it.
@@12thLevelSithLord the boss doesn’t die till the SPK show up (Letts reacts: don’t look up what the SPK is)
@@anthonydugar282
You’re not comprehending lol
The head of the FBI task force for the KIRA investigation (Not the Director of the whole FBI) died immediately after sending all 12 of his agents the file with their coworkers’ names in it.
He sent the file because light added it to the death note as his method of death.
Light's biggest mistake is killing Raye Penber after meeting him a week later.
Light didnt straight up say "L, do know ..." he used the first symbol of each line to hide that message, since Japanese is read top-down.
Light with the shocked pikachu face.
I'm watching along with you guys for the first time, so I don't know that happens next, but here's my interpretation on Light.
I believe he has natural killer and manipulation tendencies (probably originating from being told he was a genius so often in his formative years), and that growing up under his dad's influence helped him mask his true desires under this supposed sense of "justice." He placated himself for years by rising to the top of the academic and social ladders and believing himself to be better than everyone. Using them, even. But now that he has the Death Note, he's willing to give himself permission to indulge in those dark desires. He's bought so heavily into his dad's sense of justice that he's convinced himself that he's only doing this because he's a "good person." But underneath, his true self is starting to show -- by attempting to kill L just for insulting him. For showing himself to Rey just for the satisfaction. He's quite the terrifying monster.
this is the correct interpretation of the truth.Light depends on its own idea.He did not even try to ask any questions, he did not develop any methods of selecting criminals, not a single doubt about his views and actions, he probably did not even open a single book, did not read a single philosophy.All he cared about was not the world, but his idea, under this idea was a thirst for power and recognition.In the end, he just wanted to destroy justice, which is essentially absurd.Completely blind to feelings , he did not care about humanity .In addition , uncontrolled selfishness , desire and boredom caused such frenzied impulses in him .
@@ghfXX tbf, the guy is like a genius and does great in school, I think he's definitely aware of different philosophy. He literally just doesn't care, as he's said, he wants to be the new God so none of the establish morality or rules would need apply in his mind.
See all those people standing in the train
It's impossible to ask someone to freely choose a seat in a crowded train
Especially the seat near the entrance door
The choosing seat scenario would have been believable if they on a late night train with few passengers
We’re gonna get a lot of so and so is a genius in this series
23:42 I have a head-cannon about what it means when it says “those who write in this book cannot go to heaven or hell”
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if that meant that they become a new Shinigami
The bus driver sees so many people a day, he just couldn't recall anyone in particular on the bus. The human memory is not very good. Most eye witness testimony is very flawed.
2:45 there are countless people IRL who are that slime and tricky enough to manipulate the situation without even needing a deathnote to manipulate the situation.
4:46 keep in mind these manga were written in 2003-06 so yeah old school stereotypes are obvious.
Getting people to do what you want is a very underrated skill/talent. The best negotiators and diplomats understand how to turn opposing views into aligning views, enemies to allies. Twisting dialogue in such a way to simply make people think you are doing what is in their best interests and having them join forces with you (Help me help you) is very effective.
Why does Ray suck? Because he wants his wife to be safe and not worry about him all the time ?
Right now I am currently watching this too! Such an amazing show. I can’t wait to see the reaction to the new Attack on Titan season coming out March 4! You guys are my favorite channel! ❤️
Light did wait a couple of weeks til he did that plan with Raye Penber, But He is really sadistic with this plan too, He scared the shit out of him, then rubbed it in his face as he was dying, And he made Raye kill his colleges with the Death Note. A rule of the Death Note is, Anyone who uses it cannot go to Heaven or Hell for all eternity. He made Raye use the Death Note so who knows where Raye went after he died.
It's not true. Every human who dies goes to the same place. Ryukyu was just trolling light. It's one of the rules in the book.
Aw, but I like Raye Penber.
The fact that Raye can't go to heaven or hell mainly because he used the notebook without his knowledge.
That's not an actual rule. Everyone who dies goes to the same place.
@@niyannait was a mistake by the creator lol
The Death Note soundtrack is amazing.
The Investigators can’t go to heaven or hell because he use the death note
i dont think ray sucks... he is just scared of his wife dying, because as you can see Kira is such a horrific thing if you dont know who he is
Light chose not to pursue his dad out of the investigation because he wanted his him to get closer to Because he already knew that his dad was in charge of the investigation pursuing him to quit means he will lose access to the information
Isn't it kinda dumb for ray penber to dismiss his wife after she made a very good point? Even if he was mad, that's not a coincidence that you can ignore after it's brought up
Right? And her bringing that up didn't bring her in danger or anything, so I didn't get why he didn't listen
@@lilshmet4167 Because he just wants her to give birth to his kids and be a family woman. Her having ideas and investigating is outside of what he wants from their marriage.
@@lilshmet4167 Because it was his last day at investigating light and he didn't want to talk about it anymore plus no one knows how kira kills .
@@ThatSamoanGuy why do people automatically assume that he was being misogynistic? Comments like the Tuy's is a more understandable explanation of why he shut her down. She voluntarily left her career to start a family with him.
@@johnnycash5684 because excessive virtue signaling is a sport nowadays. Comprehension is overrated.
The way Kenny looks at her
Imagine if Ray started shouting “Light Yagami is Kira” and started running away. That would be the end of Light Yagami.
Did you notice one of the FBI agents is named David Fincher? AKA, the director of Se7en and Fight Club.
The look on Montana's face when Ray started exposing his attitudes! Same!
I just realized at the start Ray doesn't say who or what he's investigating, or that he even knows who Light is, or who his father is. Light in turn saying specifically he wouldn't tell his father should have pointed right to him knowing way too much about the investigation.
8:32 I didn’t but now I do lmfaooooo
What were you guys watching death note on
"Why is he???" Wait.....wait like 5 minutes, and you'll know why. Just as planned.
What movie is the one at 16:55?
I normally absolutely HATE it when reactors pause what they're watching to discuss it, but the timer really helps. Well done, that's a really good addition to the reaction format that I hope similar creators adopt
So excited for episode 6 :3
So Ray is in purgatory now for his use of the DeathNote?
Spoiler
There's no afterlife in Death Note universe. In the last episode there's this rule on "How to use". You know, the information card mid episode break stuff. It says something along the lines of : "All humans go to Mu (nothingness) after death".
Ryuk saying Death Note user can't go to heaven or hell was just him messing around because there's no heaven or hell in Death Note universe 😁
@@gothorn2758 so many people don’t understand this. It’s maddening.
@@gothorn2758 there is heaven and hell in the manga. the anime got it wrong
@@me56ize No. You don't know what you're talking about. Go read chapter 107 of Death Note.
That chapter ends on a black page with the two following lines :
"All humans will, without exception, eventually die."
"After they die, the place they go is Mu. (Nothingness)"
@@gothorn2758 read it again
Glad I’m not the only one that noticed many similarities between Death Note and Breaking Bad
i wouldnt say ray sucks. This was written in japan where the assumtion is that when a woman is married she will no longer need to work. The reason he gets a little angry is because he really REALLY does not want the woman he loves to die by sticking her nose into a case in which a guy can kill without even being near you.
It’s especially weird because he’s LESS hostile in the original Japanese version. They made it sound much ruder in English, which is a strange choice.
Here’s my question about the Death Note, can you extend your own life after writing the specific time you’ll die? Say you are going to die at the age of 50, but you do the math and write down the time you’ll die at the age of 100. Would that work?
No. The rules of the death note establish that if the time written is past the predetermined lifespan they just die when they normally would have.
I love this episode. There is a difference in the way it's presented in the manga because of timing, but I actually prefer the way it's presented in the anime
Why does Ray Penber sound like such a dork in the dub?
To be fair to Ray he just doesnt want his future wife doing anything dangerous
Kira kills people supernaturally. Je just wanys her safe
16:45 seems like he assumed kira was a guy , his dad might have found that suspicious . or could simply be a mistake on the writers part
This is the second large mistake Light/Kira makes. The first one is when he kills Lind L Taylor on live T.V. because he lost his cool. He couldnt have known that it was only being shown in Kanto japan but still its just a bad move. This one is even rougher because he didnt know Ray was dont watching him after that day. Light could have stayed home like he normally did and it would have been over.
Ray is going to purgatory
I think ray was just trying to be protective of his girlfriend from getting involved, considering they were going against a somewhat supernatural enemy.
I mean, he did loose his life for his involvement.
Spoiler
If only light just let Ray Pember go. I may not be as smart as light but I'm 100 % sure I wouldn't get caught cause I wouldn't kill everyone with heart attacks to be known and I don't have a god complex. These were the reasons for his downfall. If only he had been smarter to get rid of his God complex
“If only light just let Ray Pember go”
Light would be always in surveillance as they predicted that Kira is someone close to police and there is no other lead so they will start to make the surveillance harder with cameras just to confirm after that he can’t really do much
So it makes his previous move of letting L know that he is someone close to police turns to disadvantage from advantage in lights side
“I may not be smart as light”
Yeah the only thing I totally agree from your statement
“I wouldn’t kill everyone with heart attacks to be known ”
Well if u thought u are smart cause u kill everyone in different methods
How many methods that u gonna come up with ? Like a 1000 ? After like 3 or 4 years do u think no body gonna realizes that all popular criminals are dying in a greater rate for no reason then the same story gonna continue like L comes into this case
And the main advantage that he gets from killing criminals just by heart attack is that others don’t know about it so it will keep him at advantage all the time would be gone
If u don’t became known to the world, the crime rate never gonna drop so u just have to do more homework? Like 70% more homework and mostly minor crimes are not gonna be committed due to fear , without fear u have to kill those minor criminals too
@@S_29 yep even though L outsmarted light in the tv scene of the 2nd episode, light could have just let it go without showing L he had access to police information so he could get close to him and kill him. Even though L suspected it was a student there are millions of students in the kantel region. There was no way L would get close to light had light not showed his access to police information and killed Ray Pember. It only just narrowed it down faster to light.
In short Light was his own downfall
@@S_29 bruh😅 he made a good point. You're just a light stan trying to defend your giga chad. Let's face it as smart as light was, he made some careless mistakes than anyone with comments sense wouldn't do
Ray Penber doesn't suck. He may sound sexist but that wasn't the intention behind the character. He knows Kira can kill by just knowing face and name, that's why he didn't want Naomi to get involved in the case, the English dub made him sound harsher than the original Japanese imo. Ray and Naomi's deaths were very tragic in the manga and the first glimpse at how sadistic Light could be.
It is a turning point for a lot of fans who were otherwise inclined to root for Light's vigilantism.
so many counters... lol
I originally watched this anime subbed, and Raye was much less of a dick in that conversation with Naomi. I think it’s just the tone the English VA took, but I swear I don’t remember him being that dickish about it. In the sub he seems more genuinely concerned for her safety as opposed to kind of condescending.
Okay I might be crazy but at 9:30, what was that sound?
I thought japan has security camera everywhere
Turn around raye penber.
Raye's refusal to hear Naomi out was, in my opinion, a huge mistake. Sure, they made a deal, but what Naomi was saying made a lot of sense and Raye completely shutting Naomi down kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, and the whole "You used to be a great agent, now you're just my fiancée was *really* off-putting.
It didn't make a lot of sense to raye..as he already knew light isn't kira that's why he showed his Id to light in the first place
I think the reason for shutting naomi down is simple as he explained later that he didn't want naomi to get into trouble by participating in it. I know it wasn't right for him to completely shut her up, even so what can be done it's for the plot.
There's a light novel that takes place a year or so before death note proper I believe and it's called the BB Murders case and Naomi worked with L and she actually took him down and she ended up training L in the martial art thishr used
True but that isn't her case and they agreed that she wouldn't get involved, now if Ray asked her professional opinion that's different but he didn't.
It actually sounds much worse in sub (the original). Ray is rather clearly depicted as someone with the idea that women's best place is at home taking care of the family and that he is shutting Naomi down because he doesn't think it's her place to speak on the matter anymore. His tone is much colder and firmer.
It's probably too off putting for the English audience since the west is much less tolerating to things like this than the general East Asian societies. So they've tuned it down in the dub.
@@DL-idk The weird thing about all that is that Ohba repeats that exact sort of sexist drivel in his other works, but doesn't treat it as incorrect. I wonder if we're actually supposed to agree with Raye here?
I don't think Raye was dismissing his fiance's skills at all - he openly said she was one of the best. But we only hear his frustration - she could easily be a workaholic where in so many other shows (and real life) she had no work life balance & its hurt her family and friends beyond the typical "call of duty". So many law enforcement & health care professionals have had to walk away from their careers for the sake of their own health & their family's health. Her being unable to just listen to her future husband vent vs try to get involved because it's too irresistible is not a good sign. Besides the fact investigators can't be bringing in people, no matter their skill, without their superiors approval so they shouldn't be going into details about an open investigation in the first place - if two people claim to want to be able to facilitate a future family & decided the only way to do that when they both have very demanding jobs is for one to no longer stay at that job, but that person can't let go they are now stringing the other person along & are in denial about the disconnect and future issues their family will have. We don't hear how she may have gushed & talked about wanting a bid family badly for years, so him bringing up running after kids would keep her busy and her mind off work (which is most likely true because motherhood is obviously a consuming role but just for humans but many animals) means nothing. People just ASSUME which if anyone took anything from Raye's fate is DO NOT ASSUME - Raye assumed Kira could only kill how Kira had REVEALED he could kill & Light assumed Raye's loved one was just some random person, dumber than him.
I just realised how risky Light's plan here was.
If Penber had placed Light's voice sooner, there's a non-negligible chance that he'd have tried to tear off a piece of the paper he was given and written his name so that if something did happen to him, it would be found on his person.
Rays moves were already written in the death note. Light was there to get the pages back and to rub it in Rays face as he died
Moriarty the Patriot next please please please please
Finally more people that think Ray sucks lmao
“Raye sucks Counter,” no, that counter sucks. What sucks about a man trying to protect his fiancé? Plus she promised she wouldn’t get involved, so Raye is being controlling or anything as that counter suggests. He’s just reminding his fiancé that she promised not to get involved in the Kira case. Light’s dad is totally in danger. In episode 2 Light was prepared to kill his family if they found the Death Note.
Love your reactions ❤
"Any Human who writes a name in the Death Note shall neither go to Heaven nor Hell for all eternity".. Raye is now in purgatory for all time because he used the Death Note.
It's not an actual rule
raye penber's conduct is the most manly in the anime and only soylent drinkers can hate him
i would really suggest to you ro react to some anime movies lika your name, silent voice, weathring with you and etc... and also loved the reaction death note is really a masterpiece
I keep mistaking naomi with mikasa-
Plz watch code geass next 😢 (dub)
Yess!! Code Geass!!!😍
I would love to see them react to Code Geass but most probably my hero will win cause there are more mha fans. Id you want to see code geass then get their patreon ans vote foe code geass in their poll
@@andrewkeshan8649 yeah I just got their patreon. Waiting for Code Geass to make it to the polls. Perfect series to watch after Deathnote and it's right up their ally
🤩Oh boy if they start reacting to Code Geass, I will be their for every premiere just like how I'm always here for death note. Both these shows are goated
@@hirthiknihal6161 Factsss
React to STEVEN UNIVERS PLEEEEEASE
The 2. Seson of the ancient magus bride is comming. Can you react to this? the anime is about magic and mysticism. Greeding from your fan from germany😊
does this guy make shocked faces and expressions for the whole series and says what
@@prod.jettabone5303 do u know what a reaction is?
Gotta love the "Oof yikes" to the 4:50 comment XD Ray isnt being some mysoginist asshole here. Im pretty sure that kids and a normal life would be "better things" than pouring over the facts of grisly murder cases right? Not to mention her last big case nearly got her killed (not talked about in the anime but in another short book). I always find it funny that a man commenting on how a woman being a housewife could ever possibly be better than a career is seen as such a scandalous omg what a jerk thing to say XD
People brainwashed by Western Media and institutions to believe that career is more important than family and tradition is bad and oppressive even through even mainstream journals admit that women’s happiness has been on the decline in recent times despite moving away from traditional family values and stuff.