I have a Criminal Justice degree (from years ago...I'm old). I say this because I picture Jesus as my advocate, (aka, lawyer), pleading my case before the father and Satan is the prosecutor. I am eternally grateful for his intercessory and I love that fact about our Savior.
"Christ has a greater concern for our salvation than we do". What a comfort. Thank you, Gavin, for this video on the doctrine of Intercession. I found myself saying "wow" or smiling or having to pause the video to think so many times (also sometimes pausing to make sense of those Puritan quotations. Then repausing when it finally hit me :) ).
Well done, Christ continually for us for eternity. Christ being our advocate is a sweet balm for my daily sins and struggles. It has helped me through many dark nights of the soul. As a Lutheran, I really feel this, cherish this, and receive this not only daily but also in the sacraments every Sunday. He really holds our hand like children through this life. We are all beggars. Thanks Gavin.
Didn’t realize how much I needed to hear this. Knowing that Jesus is interceding for us as He did for Peter, knowing we would fail, but advocating for us. God is great, so thankful for His provisions
It's 100% complete through Christ! What a blessed hope and assurance we have in Christ our interceding Savior! The voice of Christ blood just makes me cry out of gratefulness !
From Saint Ambrose, in "Jacob and the Happy Life"... "But fear exists that the judge may be too harsh-think upon Him that you have as your judge. For the Father has given every judgment to Christ. Can Christ then condemn you, when He redeemed you from death and offered Himself on your behalf, and when He knows that your life is what was gained by His death? Will He not say, "'What profit is there in my blood, if I condemn the man whom I myself have saved?" Moreover, you are thinking of Him as a judge; you are not thinking of Him as an advocate. But can He give a sentence that is very harsh when He prays continually that the grace of reconciliation with the Father be granted us?"
I am so grateful that I found this video. I am astonished by how deeply my heart is stirred by the beauty of my savior's intercession! I can once again 'feel' His matchless love! Thank you!
This came at such a timely moment, in the midst of some long standing struggles with seemingly no answers in sight. I praise God for how he is working through you and for your willingness to be His vessel. Thank you, Dr. Ortlund. I hope and pray you and your family have a Merry Christmas!
Thank you, Gavin, for the pious theme and the pious way you produced this video. I went to tears at the end of it. Heb 12:22-24 (NET Bible): "But you have come to Mount Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the assembly and congregation of the firstborn, who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks of something better than Abel’s does." NET Bible's note: "Abel’s shed blood cried out to the Lord for justice and judgment, but Jesus’ blood speaks of redemption and forgiveness, something better than Abel’s does (Gen 4:10; Heb 9:11-14; 11:4)."
Watching Gavin Ortlund makes me covet blue eyes lol (green-eyed person here)! Jokes aside, I always love listening to this channel! If not for the content, to have the irenic and peaceful attitude rub off on me more and more!
Thank you so much Brother for this teaching...so encouraging... .this was a very bad day today ...bad news ....as if i was hit on the head with a hammer... Knowing Jésus is praying for me in my personnal suffering is so wonderful .....ur teaching came just at the right time ....we have a wonderful Friend in Jésus ...thank you Gavin
Oh how this teaching tears my sinful soul. That the creator of the universe should intercede with the Father regarding my wickedness, pleading my case, based on His completed work on calvary. What great love is this? Why is Christ so compassionate? How great thou art, how great thou art.
The Holy Spirit certainly has a great way to reinforce what we read from the Bible. I have been listening to the book of Hebrews on repeat and also reading through it often over the past week. Much of Hebrews was radiating through my mind as you spoke. Thanks for the video and sharing the article. God bless
Dr. Ortuland I'm glad that I found ur purgatory video through Mike. I just can't thank u enough for these deep research and unbiased opinions in presenting the church history!! I almost binge watched all ur videos! Can I get a video on Didache if possible? Thanks. God bless.
Forgive yet another one of my comments with very little substance Gavin, but one which again comes with such grateful thanks. Your scholarly work and passionate heart for the Gospel continues to bless and challenge me - every video you produce has enormous benefit for my humble, and oft times questioning, walk with Christ. Thank you again for your ministry, Richard.
This comforted me, encouraged me and equipped me to encourage others. I'm grateful to the Lord for you Gavin...time and time again. Thank you...I have a list of all your book recommendations 😂😂. I'm finishing on Nabeel Qureshi's first then proceed to the rest. Love from Kenya. May the Lord keep you.
This is a phenomenal treatment of the topic. Thank you. I’ve been following your channel a few months now and have probably watched the majority of your videos, but this one I overlooked. The title is apt, intercession is perhaps a neglected topic, yet it’s hard to understand why after this reflection upon the puritan authors mentioned.
Beautiful message. I really loved the term “omnipotent compassion.” The question that I have is how does the inseparability of Christ’s atonement and intercession relate to the Eucharist?
Thanks for the video! As a SDA, let me share that Adventism has been highlighting this since the XIX century. We talk about the Heavenly ministry of Jesus and how Lev 16 reveals the complete plan of salvation. Roy Gane, an Adventist, is known in the evangelical community for developing the theology of the Day of Atonement (from Leviticus 16). Gane's work has been peer-reviewed by Milgrom, the Jewish scholar 😀 I'm sure you'd enjoy exploring that area!
I'd be interested in hearing your opinions regarding Molinism in light of the recent discussion between James White and William Lane Craig. Loving your videos!
This was an epic video! I agree that this is a neglected doctrine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Gavin. Would you say that when a person is converted and regenerated through the power of the Holy Spirit (e.g., Acts 10:44-46; 19:6 etc.) that such is an example of Christ, through His intercessory work, applying the benefits of His perfect atonement on the cross to the life of that individual?
I never really understood why Christ is interceeding for us when the wrath of God has been satisfied already... Why do I still need an advocate? It's not like God the father forgets, right? Or is there something I am missing and I need to rewatch the video?! Don't get me wrong, I mean I can see how Christ is still at work in me and how he tells the devil that he has already paid for the sin I just committed and that is really awesome!
@@1984SheepDog Christ’s intercession now is a processional, prevalent atonement once and for all time, by way of judgement onto salvation for the elect believers and condemnation for the others, 1 Corinthians 15:56, 2 Corinthians 2:14-16, Colossians 2:13 -15.
As a questioning christian trying to figure out what is true to belief and experiencing a deafening silence, this is a sobering thought that I suspect will haunt me in my future anxiety
@@nickswoboda6647 Hey Nick! For me, I just want God to end this whole questioning I'm in. To just show himself to me and be like "bam, Atheism isn't true, Islam isn't true, Christianity is true". It's been really frustrating knowing that's an option for him but that he isn't doing it
@@iVideosTech Hi Justin, I get it. I really do. There is really nothing I can say on this forum to take those questions away in an instant. But I can offer to walk side-by-side through the questions with you. When I struggled with an overwhelming amount of questions, I felt like my questions were a plague that I didn’t want to express to anyone for fear that my questions would be infectious. I didn’t want to send people into the same spiral I was in. I was wrong. When I opened up finally, I found strength and perspective, and my friends didn’t catch my disease. I’m willing to walk through some of the questions with you if you are open to it. Let me know in a response on here if you are interested and we will figure out how to connect through email or some other online means.
Interested to hear if/how you'd trace this in biblical theology. You've got me really thinking: Cain who kills the one who could have interceded for him. Then Abel's blood cries out a word of condemnation. Noah who does not intercede for the world. Abraham who does intercede, but only to a point for the city of Sodom. Moses who intercedes to the point of offering his life for the children of Israel, but he is unqualified to foot the bill, however God is moved by His commitment to His own character and covenant. Jesus making intercession while laying down His life on the cross. Stephen making similar intercession as he is martyred, illustrating that through the atonement of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, we can make potent intercession.
Saint Joseph has intercede to Jesus Christ , his Son, several Times for me! The prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects ! I am so grateful to Jesus, and Saint Joseph who intercede for me to Him! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
If He is truly is our Great and Kind God and Mighty Saviour there is absolutely no necessity to continue in the Merit of the Saints for our access in prayer to Him. He is our Eternal-Forever Father, Isaiah 9:6 and just as a father has compassion on his children, so the LORD has compassion on those who have reverential awe-fear of Him, Psalm 103:13. So, we His children pray this way, Our Father in Heaven..., Matthew 9:9 and trust Jesus’ incomparable assurance that, whatever we ask in His matchless name, He will do to glorify the Father in the Son. And He compounds this with His promise to us if we keep His Commandments and abide in Him, He will do what we ask, John 14:10-15; 15:7-9. There is no hierarchy of the redeemed in intercession, petition, pleas and prayer. All saints, that are united to Jesus Christ their head, by His Spirit and are united to one another to end of the world. Those who died are asleep and God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus and we who follow Christ will also be caught up together with them to meet the Lord and always be with Him 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14. And the dead, great and small will come before the Throne of God to hear from the Book of Life and His judgement for glorification or condemnation, Revelation 20:11-15. Anything more or less than the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is man made, Revelation 22:18-19.
Great post. The Catholic understanding of this is that Christ was sacrificed once and for all, but he continues to exist as a sacrifice for our sins which we Catholics offer at every mass in the form of bread and wine. Thus the mass is a participation in the heavenly liturgy described in Revelations 5. “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign[b] on the earth.” By participating in the Eucharist, we are washing ourselves clean by the blood of the lamb as described in Revelations 7 13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes-who are they, and where did they come from?” 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
That washing in the blood is something we continually experience in our struggles to be made pure here on earth. It is always there for us as we struggle and often fail. But our goal is to be clean and to be purified, as 1 Peter chapter 1 says: 17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. 22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. As for security, we Catholics believe in a moral security in the power of God to grant us final perseverance. We don't claim an absolute assurance, as that could involve the sin of presumption. But we do have a moral assurance because God never fails to achieve what he wills, so long as we ourselves do not turn away from the Lord.
@@danielcarriere1958 how is it a sin of presumption when Scripture without equivocation confirms onto our circumcised heart-conscience by faith alone that Christ, even Himself by His grace alone has mediated our justification-sanctification-glorification on to the Glory of God alone? Lack of this understanding is the great presumption of damnation onto all manner of indulgences. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simply given and simply received.
@@Tanjaicholan 2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God's almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).
The Angels and Saints also pray for us, as does Jesus, for Jesus Christ teaches when we die, we become like Angels, and Angels present our prayers before the throne of God! We are God's coworkers, for just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US as Holy Scriptures teach! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple, as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Gavin, could you do a video about Daniel and whether or not you think it is a forgery? I have been reading Richard Carrier’s essay on the matter and would like to hear an informed response.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been *given to me.* Therefore, go and make disciples of all peoples, baptizing them in the name *(by the authority)* of the Father *(who gave the authority)* and of the Son *(who received the authority)* and of the Holy Spirit." *(The Spirit of adoption as sons.)* Christ's intercession for us is trinitarian, spoken aloud, and sacramental.
Hey Dr. Ortlund, I know this is off topic, but I've come to trust your knowledge so I'd like to ask a couple of questions on a specific topic. I have people commonly ask me about Mark 16:9-20. Can you help shed some light on these passages? Are they authentic? If so, why are they alleged to be illegitimate, or, if are they not legitimate, why are they in the Bible? Should they be taken as inspired text? Does it call the accuracy and infallibility of the Bible into question? How can I address these issues in conversation? Thank you for your time, and thank you for what you do. Jon
Can you do a discussion of the sacrament of reconciliation, aka "confession," and maybe relate it to our duty to "speak to one another in love." How does the Protestant view put away our need to "confess one to another" such that we don't need to have recourse to a priest. Are we missing something when we don't go to confession?
The intercession of Christ is very important in Reformed Theology and I don't think, as reformed we neglect this doctrine, for we postulate that there is an intimate connection between intercession and atonement. For whom Christ died, for them, he also maketh intercession for. As James R. White put it: "Jesus Christ intercedes for the elect of God. His work of intercession is directly connected to His work of atonement. Indeed, upon what ground can Christ intercede except that perfect work accomplished on the cross? We will see in our review of Hebrews that Christ saves completely those for whom He intercedes. But since the work of intercession and the work of atonement are but two different aspects of His one atoning sacrifice, then it follows that Christ saves all those for whom He dies." James White, "The Potter's Freedom: A Defense of the Reformation and a Rebuttal To Norman Geisler's Chosen But Free", p. 238 (kindle). "Christ intercedes for all for whom He dies. Just as the high priest could not intercede for anyone without a sacrifice, so too Christ does not intercede for anyone for whom He does not make atonement. Christ intercedes for all for whom He dies since intercession is simply the presentation of the finished work of Calvary before the Father. The scope of the atonement, then, is the scope of intercession. Yet, we saw in Romans that Christ intercedes for God’s elect, and here the same group is in view, those who come unto God by Him. And since His act of intercession is given as the explanation for Christ’s ability to save forever, it follows inexorably that Christ’s death saves all those for whom it is made." James White, "The Potter's Freedom: A Defense of the Reformation and a Rebuttal To Norman Geisler's Chosen But Free", p. 241 (kindle). Either way, thanks for the video!
I wrote this before watching the whole video. Great job with connecting intercession and atonement! The inevitable result of this is limited / definite atonement in my opinion ;)
@@damiandziedzic23 Limited atonement is really only inevitable if you (a) ignore or redefine the verses that talk about who God wants to be saved, or at least who He offers salvation to (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:1-6, John 3:16, Matthew 11:28, 1 John 2:2). (b) make an extrabiblical distinction between God’s hidden and revealed will in such a way that God actively decrees that some should be damned while also willing that they be saved, which in effect makes His revealed will subordinate to His secret will.
@@felixcharles9773 why only “ignore” or “redefine”? Is this all that you think the Reformed do in understanding the whole counsel of God? Why the straw man polemics? Are you contending we do not: - understand exegesis, - practice hermeneutics - consider context, and use pretext to form our own opinions? why not parse the adjective “all” in Matthew 11:28 and understand how it sits with Greek grammar, and also consider reading Matthew 11:27 for context without which you will arrive at an incorrect conclusion. For the other proof texts you proffered, please do not consider ignoring or redefining the straightforwardness of the presentation in the video à la Leighton Flowers! ruclips.net/video/kx551k78YPs/видео.html
@@felixcharles9773 I mean... when you take those verses in the context in which they were created, then yes- definite atonement is inevitable. If you read into them modern ideas about every single human being, that lived, lives, and will live, instead of considering kinds of humans, social groups (kings and those in authority), ethnic groups (Jews and Greeks and general), etc. - then no, and you are right. PS Reformed guys don't talk about God actively decreeing that some should be damned. God chooses some and leaves the others in their sins. There is no need for active damnation, putting unbelief in their heats due to the fallen nature, and enslavement to sin. Only hyper-Calvinists talk about a symmetrical predestination.
@@damiandziedzic23 Would you mind answering a hypothetical for me? I think it might help me better understand how you view God’s revelation. You think that my interpretation of scripture is incorrect. That’s fine, I’m not infallible. Hypothetically, how would something like 1 John 2:2 have to be rewritten if I were correct? How would it have to be changed from what it says now? Also, I think it’s unfair to say the “modern idea” that God wants all to be saved. Even if you disagree as to whether or not it is true, that has been the dominant belief in the church since the apostolic fathers. If I am wrong and there are many ante-Nicene fathers who talk about the limited extent (not application) of the atonement, please let me know! From what I’ve read, though, limited atonement is the more novel theology. As to your PS, that’s an arbitrary and ultimately contradictory distinction. The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 3, Article III says “By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death.” That is an active decree. I know this gets into infra vs supra, but God actively preordained that the reprobate will not be saved and that they will go to Hell. You can say that God leaves some in their sin, but that is just pushing the problem down the road, especially since for Calvinism to be logically consistent God would have to preordain the Fall. Chapter 3, Article VII “The rest of mankind, God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy as He pleaseth, for the glory of His sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice.” If you take this to its logical conclusion, God’s sovereign will necessitates that we sin in order that He might be glorified. This is why compatibilism doesn’t work in a double predestinarian framework. You cannot say that man has agency and culpability in sin when God is the one who either chooses to extends or withholds mercy, which is the only thing that really matters when the base state of post Fall mankind is damnation. If Reformed guys don’t talk about God actively decreeing damnation, then that is a cop out on their end.
I'm grateful to Gavin for these thoughts, but I have to say I don't understand how it is that Christ's substitutionary atonement for our sin can be added to. If His intercessions basically just equal His ongoing love for and attention to us, wonderful -- I can see that. But I don't understand how they would be part of His atoning work. If I'm in Christ, doesn't God already and always see me as possessing Christ's righteousness?
Would you also say that the "fresh appropriation" for "our real time needs" includes the sacrament of Holy Communion. As Christ's heavenly intercession is a necessary part of His work for our salvation along with His death on the Cross, can it be said that the sacrament is integral to that work? That is where I question the objection of many Protestants to viewing the Eucharist as a part of Christ's one sacrifice. They have alleged that that detracts from the Cross. Yet the truth of the necessity of His ongoing intercession and presenting His sacrifice in heaven, and of our appropriating it to ourselves in our present circumstances does not detract from what He accomplished on the Cross. Perhaps you have dealt with the question elsewhere, but I think it appropriate to pose it in connection with what you say here.
This precise issue helps me clearly narrow down which denominations actually try to believe in Scripture and which believe only in their own micro-traditions and opinions. Few protestants actually believe the following passages: Matthew 26:28 Jesus calls it the blood of the covenant. Hebrews 9:20 The author quotes Moses saying the exact same words about real blood. There is no precedent here for saying "is" means "represents." 1 Corinthians 10:16 The bread and the cup are a koinonia (co-union/intimacy/participation/contribution/distribution) of the body and blood of Christ. 1 Cor 11:20 There is an objectively true Lord's Supper. Unreconciled schism within the congregation make it objectively not the Lord's Supper. 1 Cor 10:21-22 The Lord, whose name is Jealous, is jealous of his cup and his table. 1 Cor 11:23 The Lord specifically and personally revealed the Supper to Paul. 1 Cor 11:27 Misuse of the Lord's Supper is not just a bad reenactment. It makes you guilty of sin against the very body and blood of the Lord. 1 Cor 11:28-30 Mere reenactments do not require earnest soul searching on pain of punishment and death. Therefore true Christian faith in these words: "This is my body which is for you, … This is my blood of the new covenant," must take all into account. 1 Cor 5:11 We are not to eat even secular food with christians who do not accept correction. Guests, whose lives are unknown to the pastor, should be catechised first. "Revilers" (who insult our face value belief) are rightly excluded.
Even the souls in Purgatory pray for us, as we must all strive for that holiness without which no one shall see the Lord, and intercession in behalf of others is PLEASING TO GOD. ( Hebrews 12:14, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:9). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Christ is our intercessor not Mary or other Christians who have died. The idea of asking Mary to intercede/ pray for us would have been so foreign and an abomination to a 2nd temple jew like Paul.
@@anonanon8421 when Christ intercedes for us through His blood, He is essentially presenting Himself (again) to God on our behalf. How is "His blood speaking a better word" and Him "ever living to intercede" for us any different from Him presenting His broken and resurrected Body to God? In the catholic Church, God has allowed us to participate in that on going intercession.
@@1984SheepDog Intersession is not the same thing as sacrifice. It's very clear Jesus sacrificed Himself once for all time in contrast to the continual sacrifice Israel had to do at the temple Jesus is in a resurrected glorified body in Revelations. There is no more broken body after the cross.
@Bb Dl Jesus is not in perpetual sacrifice. When the Bible says Rev 13:8 'the lamb slain from the foundation of the world' it means Jesus was foreordained to do this from the very beginning. 1 Peter 1:19-20 states that Christ was foreordained. Jesus was only sacrificed once. Hebrews Chapter 10 cannot be more clear. There's no interpretation or surmising of the meaning of verse 14 'For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy'. Which also lends itself to the doctrine of Assurance of Salvation.
@Bb Dl Once the sacrifice is made the price is paid. There's nothing left to pay so there is no need for more sacrifice. Jesus said on the cross 'It is finished'. Completed transaction.
jesus did intercede(at the time he was in flesh) now he dont he is back at his throne he is a judge now virgin mary the angels the apostols and other holy people intercede. in kana ze gelila(amharic) jesus was not yet to reveal his miracles but his mother holy virgin mary asked him he said yes cause he listens her better than any of us now pray for her intercession if she accepts it you are saved cause jesus god will hear her better than us he will say yes if she asked but you protestants are so jealous of virgin mary and other holy people so you dont want to respect them cause you werent chosen you dont respect them change your believe. protestant is formed by martin luther (which doesnt trace back to jesus america is even older) meaning jesus gave his power to the apostils they gave it to clergy so any clergy has the power that jesus gave to the apostles but martin luther isnt a clergy even if he is he cant for it he is not an apostle so you are not christians what you say jesus flesh and blood is just bread and wine but what the orthodox church gives you (i am from ethiopian orthodox chruch) the real flesh and blood and also baptized to make you reborn you protestants just shower the baby you do nothing so you wont be saved.
Wow! This impacted me to the point of tears! Thanks for this excellent presentation of such a comforting truth!
I have a Criminal Justice degree (from years ago...I'm old). I say this because I picture Jesus as my advocate, (aka, lawyer), pleading my case before the father and Satan is the prosecutor. I am eternally grateful for his intercessory and I love that fact about our Savior.
"Christ has a greater concern for our salvation than we do". What a comfort.
Thank you, Gavin, for this video on the doctrine of Intercession. I found myself saying "wow" or smiling or having to pause the video to think so many times (also sometimes pausing to make sense of those Puritan quotations. Then repausing when it finally hit me :) ).
This is SUCH A GREAT TOPIC to turn into video form!!!. It just moves me to tears of love for the Lord ❤
Well done, Christ continually for us for eternity. Christ being our advocate is a sweet balm for my daily sins and struggles. It has helped me through many dark nights of the soul. As a Lutheran, I really feel this, cherish this, and receive this not only daily but also in the sacraments every Sunday. He really holds our hand like children through this life. We are all beggars. Thanks Gavin.
Wow, what a beautiful portrayal of our Savior's care about and intercession for us! Thank you for this wonderful overview.
Didn’t realize how much I needed to hear this. Knowing that Jesus is interceding for us as He did for Peter, knowing we would fail, but advocating for us. God is great, so thankful for His provisions
It's 100% complete through Christ! What a blessed hope and assurance we have in Christ our interceding Savior!
The voice of Christ blood just makes me cry out of gratefulness !
From Saint Ambrose, in "Jacob and the Happy Life"...
"But fear exists that the judge may be too harsh-think upon Him that you have as your judge. For the Father has given every judgment to Christ. Can Christ then condemn you, when He redeemed you from death and offered Himself on your behalf, and when He knows that your life is what was gained by His death? Will He not say, "'What profit is there in my blood, if I condemn the man whom I myself have saved?" Moreover, you are thinking of Him as a judge; you are not thinking of Him as an advocate. But can He give a sentence that is very harsh when He prays continually that the grace of reconciliation with the Father be granted us?"
Great quote, thanks Taylor!
I work for a prayer line ministry and consistently have to speak on Christ's intercession. This video was perfectly timed for me, thank you for this!
Thanks for shedding more light on this amazing truth of the gospel! What a deterrent to sin and what a comfort in our sorrows!
I am so grateful that I found this video. I am astonished by how deeply my heart is stirred by the beauty of my savior's intercession! I can once again 'feel' His matchless love!
Thank you!
This came at such a timely moment, in the midst of some long standing struggles with seemingly no answers in sight.
I praise God for how he is working through you and for your willingness to be His vessel.
Thank you, Dr. Ortlund. I hope and pray you and your family have a Merry Christmas!
Thank you, Gavin, for the pious theme and the pious way you produced this video. I went to tears at the end of it.
Heb 12:22-24 (NET Bible): "But you have come to Mount Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the assembly and congregation of the firstborn, who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks of something better than Abel’s does."
NET Bible's note: "Abel’s shed blood cried out to the Lord for justice and judgment, but Jesus’ blood speaks of redemption and forgiveness, something better than Abel’s does (Gen 4:10; Heb 9:11-14; 11:4)."
Watching Gavin Ortlund makes me covet blue eyes lol (green-eyed person here)! Jokes aside, I always love listening to this channel! If not for the content, to have the irenic and peaceful attitude rub off on me more and more!
This is amazing. Thank you, brother. I must read this article
Thank you so much Brother for this teaching...so encouraging...
.this was a very bad day today ...bad news ....as if i was hit on the head with a hammer...
Knowing Jésus is praying for me in my personnal suffering is so wonderful .....ur teaching came just at the right time ....we have a wonderful Friend in Jésus ...thank you Gavin
glad it was helpful!
I like that. It is "the voice of the blood crying out..."
Oh how this teaching tears my sinful soul. That the creator of the universe should intercede with the Father regarding my wickedness, pleading my case, based on His completed work on calvary. What great love is this? Why is Christ so compassionate? How great thou art, how great thou art.
Thank you Gavin. So appreciate your intellectual approach weaved together with your pastoral heart. ❤
I needed to be reminded of this doctrine again. Thank you Gavin 🙏
Such a glorious and humbling truth
Excellent video. What a wonderful intercessor we have. Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ!
The Holy Spirit certainly has a great way to reinforce what we read from the Bible. I have been listening to the book of Hebrews on repeat and also reading through it often over the past week. Much of Hebrews was radiating through my mind as you spoke. Thanks for the video and sharing the article.
God bless
Jeez, I've been going through the NT again, and Hebrews plus the passages on Jesus as our high priest hit differently this time around.
Dr. Ortuland I'm glad that I found ur purgatory video through Mike. I just can't thank u enough for these deep research and unbiased opinions in presenting the church history!! I almost binge watched all ur videos!
Can I get a video on Didache if possible? Thanks. God bless.
Forgive yet another one of my comments with very little substance Gavin, but one which again comes with such grateful thanks. Your scholarly work and passionate heart for the Gospel continues to bless and challenge me - every video you produce has enormous benefit for my humble, and oft times questioning, walk with Christ. Thank you again for your ministry, Richard.
This comforted me, encouraged me and equipped me to encourage others. I'm grateful to the Lord for you Gavin...time and time again.
Thank you...I have a list of all your book recommendations 😂😂. I'm finishing on Nabeel Qureshi's first then proceed to the rest. Love from Kenya.
May the Lord keep you.
This is a phenomenal treatment of the topic. Thank you. I’ve been following your channel a few months now and have probably watched the majority of your videos, but this one I overlooked. The title is apt, intercession is perhaps a neglected topic, yet it’s hard to understand why after this reflection upon the puritan authors mentioned.
thank you for putting this together for us !
what an encouraging and beautiful video Dr. Ortlund. I thank God for your ministry may it give Him all the glory
Thank you for explaining this truth
17:08. Thanks for driving that home
Thank you so much.
This was a really nice vid, and a doctrine that is very interesting, thanks for telling us about it. God bless
Thank you so much for this
Beautiful message. I really loved the term “omnipotent compassion.” The question that I have is how does the inseparability of Christ’s atonement and intercession relate to the Eucharist?
Thanks for the video! As a SDA, let me share that Adventism has been highlighting this since the XIX century. We talk about the Heavenly ministry of Jesus and how Lev 16 reveals the complete plan of salvation. Roy Gane, an Adventist, is known in the evangelical community for developing the theology of the Day of Atonement (from Leviticus 16). Gane's work has been peer-reviewed by Milgrom, the Jewish scholar 😀
I'm sure you'd enjoy exploring that area!
I'd be interested in hearing your opinions regarding Molinism in light of the recent discussion between James White and William Lane Craig.
Loving your videos!
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This was an epic video! I agree that this is a neglected doctrine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Gavin. Would you say that when a person is converted and regenerated through the power of the Holy Spirit (e.g., Acts 10:44-46; 19:6 etc.) that such is an example of Christ, through His intercessory work, applying the benefits of His perfect atonement on the cross to the life of that individual?
I never really understood why Christ is interceeding for us when the wrath of God has been satisfied already... Why do I still need an advocate? It's not like God the father forgets, right?
Or is there something I am missing and I need to rewatch the video?!
Don't get me wrong, I mean I can see how Christ is still at work in me and how he tells the devil that he has already paid for the sin I just committed and that is really awesome!
Its as if Christ is being represented to the Father
@@1984SheepDog Christ’s intercession now is a processional, prevalent atonement once and for all time, by way of judgement onto salvation for the elect believers and condemnation for the others, 1 Corinthians 15:56, 2 Corinthians 2:14-16, Colossians 2:13 -15.
Wow :’)
As a questioning christian trying to figure out what is true to belief and experiencing a deafening silence, this is a sobering thought that I suspect will haunt me in my future anxiety
Hi Justine, that’s an interesting comment. May I ask what “deafening silence” means? I may have, perhaps, experienced something similar.
@@nickswoboda6647 Hey Nick! For me, I just want God to end this whole questioning I'm in. To just show himself to me and be like "bam, Atheism isn't true, Islam isn't true, Christianity is true". It's been really frustrating knowing that's an option for him but that he isn't doing it
@@iVideosTech Hi Justin, I get it. I really do. There is really nothing I can say on this forum to take those questions away in an instant. But I can offer to walk side-by-side through the questions with you.
When I struggled with an overwhelming amount of questions, I felt like my questions were a plague that I didn’t want to express to anyone for fear that my questions would be infectious. I didn’t want to send people into the same spiral I was in. I was wrong. When I opened up finally, I found strength and perspective, and my friends didn’t catch my disease.
I’m willing to walk through some of the questions with you if you are open to it. Let me know in a response on here if you are interested and we will figure out how to connect through email or some other online means.
Interested to hear if/how you'd trace this in biblical theology. You've got me really thinking:
Cain who kills the one who could have interceded for him. Then Abel's blood cries out a word of condemnation.
Noah who does not intercede for the world.
Abraham who does intercede, but only to a point for the city of Sodom.
Moses who intercedes to the point of offering his life for the children of Israel, but he is unqualified to foot the bill, however God is moved by His commitment to His own character and covenant.
Jesus making intercession while laying down His life on the cross.
Stephen making similar intercession as he is martyred, illustrating that through the atonement of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, we can make potent intercession.
Saint Joseph has intercede to Jesus Christ , his Son, several Times for me! The prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects ! I am so grateful to Jesus, and Saint Joseph who intercede for me to Him! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
If He is truly is our Great and Kind God and Mighty Saviour there is absolutely no necessity to continue in the Merit of the Saints for our access in prayer to Him.
He is our Eternal-Forever Father, Isaiah 9:6 and just as a father has compassion on his children, so the LORD has compassion on those who have reverential awe-fear of Him, Psalm 103:13.
So, we His children pray this way, Our Father in Heaven..., Matthew 9:9 and trust Jesus’ incomparable assurance that, whatever we ask in His matchless name, He will do to glorify the Father in the Son.
And He compounds this with His promise to us if we keep His Commandments and abide in Him, He will do what we ask, John 14:10-15; 15:7-9.
There is no hierarchy of the redeemed in intercession, petition, pleas and prayer.
All saints, that are united to Jesus Christ their head, by His Spirit and are united to one another to end of the world.
Those who died are asleep and God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus and we who follow Christ will also be caught up together with them to meet the Lord and always be with Him
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14.
And the dead, great and small will come before the Throne of God to hear from the Book of Life and His judgement for glorification or condemnation, Revelation 20:11-15.
Anything more or less than the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is man made, Revelation 22:18-19.
Huh, I just wondered this question today and wondered what the correct answer is. Guess I’m about to find out
Great post.
The Catholic understanding of this is that Christ was sacrificed once and for all, but he continues to exist as a sacrifice for our sins which we Catholics offer at every mass in the form of bread and wine. Thus the mass is a participation in the heavenly liturgy described in Revelations 5.
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign[b] on the earth.”
By participating in the Eucharist, we are washing ourselves clean by the blood of the lamb as described in Revelations 7
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes-who are they, and where did they come from?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
That washing in the blood is something we continually experience in our struggles to be made pure here on earth. It is always there for us as we struggle and often fail. But our goal is to be clean and to be purified, as 1 Peter chapter 1 says:
17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
As for security, we Catholics believe in a moral security in the power of God to grant us final perseverance. We don't claim an absolute assurance, as that could involve the sin of presumption. But we do have a moral assurance because God never fails to achieve what he wills, so long as we ourselves do not turn away from the Lord.
@@danielcarriere1958 how is it a sin of presumption when Scripture without equivocation confirms onto our circumcised heart-conscience by faith alone that Christ, even Himself by His grace alone has mediated our justification-sanctification-glorification on to the Glory of God alone?
Lack of this understanding is the great presumption of damnation onto all manner of indulgences. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simply given and simply received.
@@Tanjaicholan 2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God's almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).
The Angels and Saints also pray for us, as does Jesus, for Jesus Christ teaches when we die, we become like Angels, and Angels present our prayers before the throne of God! We are God's coworkers, for just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US as Holy Scriptures teach! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple, as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Gavin, could you do a video about Daniel and whether or not you think it is a forgery? I have been reading Richard Carrier’s essay on the matter and would like to hear an informed response.
The intersession of Christ is what we are for sure promised in scripture and not taken into account by Rome .
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been *given to me.* Therefore, go and make disciples of all peoples, baptizing them in the name *(by the authority)* of the Father *(who gave the authority)* and of the Son *(who received the authority)* and of the Holy Spirit." *(The Spirit of adoption as sons.)* Christ's intercession for us is trinitarian, spoken aloud, and sacramental.
@Truth Unites are there are books I can get for this topic?
Hey Dr. Ortlund,
I know this is off topic, but I've come to trust your knowledge so I'd like to ask a couple of questions on a specific topic. I have people commonly ask me about Mark 16:9-20. Can you help shed some light on these passages? Are they authentic? If so, why are they alleged to be illegitimate, or, if are they not legitimate, why are they in the Bible? Should they be taken as inspired text? Does it call the accuracy and infallibility of the Bible into question? How can I address these issues in conversation?
Thank you for your time, and thank you for what you do.
Jon
Can you do a discussion of the sacrament of reconciliation, aka "confession," and maybe relate it to our duty to "speak to one another in love." How does the Protestant view put away our need to "confess one to another" such that we don't need to have recourse to a priest. Are we missing something when we don't go to confession?
The Bible say we need to confess to each other not a priest. And it’s not for forgiveness it’s so we could pray for one another concerning that sin.
The intercession of Christ is very important in Reformed Theology and I don't think, as reformed we neglect this doctrine, for we postulate that there is an intimate connection between intercession and atonement. For whom Christ died, for them, he also maketh intercession for. As James R. White put it:
"Jesus Christ intercedes for the elect of God. His work of intercession is directly connected to His work of atonement. Indeed, upon what ground can Christ intercede except that perfect work accomplished on the cross? We will see in our review of Hebrews that Christ saves completely those for whom He intercedes. But since the work of intercession and the work of atonement are but two different aspects of His one atoning sacrifice, then it follows that Christ saves all those for whom He dies."
James White, "The Potter's Freedom: A Defense of the Reformation and a Rebuttal To Norman Geisler's Chosen But Free", p. 238 (kindle).
"Christ intercedes for all for whom He dies. Just as the high priest could not intercede for anyone without a sacrifice, so too Christ does not intercede for anyone for whom He does not make atonement. Christ intercedes for all for whom He dies since intercession is simply the presentation of the finished work of Calvary before the Father. The scope of the atonement, then, is the scope of intercession. Yet, we saw in Romans that Christ intercedes for God’s elect, and here the same group is in view, those who come unto God by Him. And since His act of intercession is given as the explanation for Christ’s ability to save forever, it follows inexorably that Christ’s death saves all those for whom it is made."
James White, "The Potter's Freedom: A Defense of the Reformation and a Rebuttal To Norman Geisler's Chosen But Free", p. 241 (kindle).
Either way, thanks for the video!
I wrote this before watching the whole video. Great job with connecting intercession and atonement! The inevitable result of this is limited / definite atonement in my opinion ;)
@@damiandziedzic23 Limited atonement is really only inevitable if you
(a) ignore or redefine the verses that talk about who God wants to be saved, or at least who He offers salvation to (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:1-6, John 3:16, Matthew 11:28, 1 John 2:2).
(b) make an extrabiblical distinction between God’s hidden and revealed will in such a way that God actively decrees that some should be damned while also willing that they be saved, which in effect makes His revealed will subordinate to His secret will.
@@felixcharles9773 why only “ignore” or “redefine”?
Is this all that you think the Reformed do in understanding the whole counsel of God?
Why the straw man polemics? Are you contending we do not:
- understand exegesis,
- practice hermeneutics
- consider context, and use pretext to form our own opinions?
why not parse the adjective “all” in Matthew 11:28 and understand how it sits with Greek grammar, and also consider reading Matthew 11:27 for context without which you will arrive at an incorrect conclusion.
For the other proof texts you proffered,
please do not consider ignoring or redefining the straightforwardness of the presentation in the video à la Leighton Flowers!
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@@felixcharles9773 I mean... when you take those verses in the context in which they were created, then yes- definite atonement is inevitable. If you read into them modern ideas about every single human being, that lived, lives, and will live, instead of considering kinds of humans, social groups (kings and those in authority), ethnic groups (Jews and Greeks and general), etc. - then no, and you are right.
PS Reformed guys don't talk about God actively decreeing that some should be damned. God chooses some and leaves the others in their sins. There is no need for active damnation, putting unbelief in their heats due to the fallen nature, and enslavement to sin. Only hyper-Calvinists talk about a symmetrical predestination.
@@damiandziedzic23 Would you mind answering a hypothetical for me? I think it might help me better understand how you view God’s revelation.
You think that my interpretation of scripture is incorrect. That’s fine, I’m not infallible. Hypothetically, how would something like 1 John 2:2 have to be rewritten if I were correct? How would it have to be changed from what it says now?
Also, I think it’s unfair to say the “modern idea” that God wants all to be saved. Even if you disagree as to whether or not it is true, that has been the dominant belief in the church since the apostolic fathers. If I am wrong and there are many ante-Nicene fathers who talk about the limited extent (not application) of the atonement, please let me know! From what I’ve read, though, limited atonement is the more novel theology.
As to your PS, that’s an arbitrary and ultimately contradictory distinction. The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 3, Article III says
“By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death.”
That is an active decree. I know this gets into infra vs supra, but God actively preordained that the reprobate will not be saved and that they will go to Hell. You can say that God leaves some in their sin, but that is just pushing the problem down the road, especially since for Calvinism to be logically consistent God would have to preordain the Fall.
Chapter 3, Article VII “The rest of mankind, God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy as He pleaseth, for the glory of His sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice.”
If you take this to its logical conclusion, God’s sovereign will necessitates that we sin in order that He might be glorified. This is why compatibilism doesn’t work in a double predestinarian framework. You cannot say that man has agency and culpability in sin when God is the one who either chooses to extends or withholds mercy, which is the only thing that really matters when the base state of post Fall mankind is damnation. If Reformed guys don’t talk about God actively decreeing damnation, then that is a cop out on their end.
I'm grateful to Gavin for these thoughts, but I have to say I don't understand how it is that Christ's substitutionary atonement for our sin can be added to. If His intercessions basically just equal His ongoing love for and attention to us, wonderful -- I can see that. But I don't understand how they would be part of His atoning work. If I'm in Christ, doesn't God already and always see me as possessing Christ's righteousness?
Would you also say that the "fresh appropriation" for "our real time needs" includes the sacrament of Holy Communion. As Christ's heavenly intercession is a necessary part of His work for our salvation along with His death on the Cross, can it be said that the sacrament is integral to that work? That is where I question the objection of many Protestants to viewing the Eucharist as a part of Christ's one sacrifice. They have alleged that that detracts from the Cross. Yet the truth of the necessity of His ongoing intercession and presenting His sacrifice in heaven, and of our appropriating it to ourselves in our present circumstances does not detract from what He accomplished on the Cross. Perhaps you have dealt with the question elsewhere, but I think it appropriate to pose it in connection with what you say here.
This precise issue helps me clearly narrow down which denominations actually try to believe in Scripture and which believe only in their own micro-traditions and opinions.
Few protestants actually believe the following passages:
Matthew 26:28 Jesus calls it the blood of the covenant.
Hebrews 9:20 The author quotes Moses saying the exact same words about real blood. There is no precedent here for saying "is" means "represents."
1 Corinthians 10:16 The bread and the cup are a koinonia (co-union/intimacy/participation/contribution/distribution) of the body and blood of Christ.
1 Cor 11:20 There is an objectively true Lord's Supper. Unreconciled schism within the congregation make it objectively not the Lord's Supper.
1 Cor 10:21-22 The Lord, whose name is Jealous, is jealous of his cup and his table.
1 Cor 11:23 The Lord specifically and personally revealed the Supper to Paul.
1 Cor 11:27 Misuse of the Lord's Supper is not just a bad reenactment. It makes you guilty of sin against the very body and blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:28-30 Mere reenactments do not require earnest soul searching on pain of punishment and death.
Therefore true Christian faith in these words: "This is my body which is for you, … This is my blood of the new covenant," must take all into account.
1 Cor 5:11 We are not to eat even secular food with christians who do not accept correction. Guests, whose lives are unknown to the pastor, should be catechised first. "Revilers" (who insult our face value belief) are rightly excluded.
Hebrews 7:25
Even the souls in Purgatory pray for us, as we must all strive for that holiness without which no one shall see the Lord, and intercession in behalf of others is PLEASING TO GOD. ( Hebrews 12:14, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:9). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Where in Scripture is it given that “souls in Purgatory pray for us?”
Christ is our intercessor not Mary or other Christians who have died. The idea of asking Mary to intercede/ pray for us would have been so foreign and an abomination to a 2nd temple jew like Paul.
Seems to fit in perfectly with the teaching of the eucharist as a sacrifice
How can it if Christ was offered one time only and then sat at the Father's right hand?
@@anonanon8421 when Christ intercedes for us through His blood, He is essentially presenting Himself (again) to God on our behalf. How is "His blood speaking a better word" and Him "ever living to intercede" for us any different from Him presenting His broken and resurrected Body to God? In the catholic Church, God has allowed us to participate in that on going intercession.
@@1984SheepDog Intersession is not the same thing as sacrifice. It's very clear Jesus sacrificed Himself once for all time in contrast to the continual sacrifice Israel had to do at the temple
Jesus is in a resurrected glorified body in Revelations. There is no more broken body after the cross.
@Bb Dl Jesus is not in perpetual sacrifice. When the Bible says Rev 13:8 'the lamb slain from the foundation of the world' it means Jesus was foreordained to do this from the very beginning. 1 Peter 1:19-20 states that Christ was foreordained.
Jesus was only sacrificed once. Hebrews Chapter 10 cannot be more clear. There's no interpretation or surmising of the meaning of verse 14 'For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy'. Which also lends itself to the doctrine of Assurance of Salvation.
@Bb Dl Once the sacrifice is made the price is paid. There's nothing left to pay so there is no need for more sacrifice. Jesus said on the cross 'It is finished'. Completed transaction.
jesus did intercede(at the time he was in flesh) now he dont he is back at his throne he is a judge now virgin mary the angels the apostols and other holy people intercede. in kana ze gelila(amharic) jesus was not yet to reveal his miracles but his mother holy virgin mary asked him he said yes cause he listens her better than any of us now pray for her intercession if she accepts it you are saved cause jesus god will hear her better than us he will say yes if she asked but you protestants are so jealous of virgin mary and other holy people so you dont want to respect them cause you werent chosen you dont respect them change your believe. protestant is formed by martin luther (which doesnt trace back to jesus america is even older) meaning jesus gave his power to the apostils they gave it to clergy so any clergy has the power that jesus gave to the apostles but martin luther isnt a clergy even if he is he cant for it he is not an apostle so you are not christians what you say jesus flesh and blood is just bread and wine but what the orthodox church gives you (i am from ethiopian orthodox chruch) the real flesh and blood and also baptized to make you reborn you protestants just shower the baby you do nothing so you wont be saved.
If he interceed ,who is the judge?