I think the 627 is the BEST revolver you can own. 8 rounds of .357 or .38 special. My Performance Center model came with beautiful wood grips. I LOVE it!
N-frame Smith and Wesson handguns in .357 are nothing new. The company came out with the Registered Magnum in the mid nineteen thirties. Later, this revolver became known as the model 27. It has a long history, and from the 27 evolved the 627, which originally featured a six-shot cylinder. The .44 magnum cartridge was developed in the mid-fifties. All that being said, your 627 is great, and it's one of the many guns on my not-so-short short list. You have good taste.
owned the ruger gp wiley for about 6 months now. Very accurate gun. put full house .357 loads through it, and I'm hitting point of aim at 30 yards. don't let the short barrel fool you, its just as accurate as my gp 100 6 inch at 30 yards.
Love both these models!! Totally beefy. They will last the test of time ( and a boat load of hot rounds). The WC Rugers finish is so sweet. Just wondering if it's harty or does it scratch to a shiny state? Thanks 👍👍
As others have stated S&W has produced many calibers on the "N" frame. Some of the first "N" frame guns were .357 caliber produced in the 1930s. These were 6 shot revolvers. Later model 24s were produced in .44 spl. which became the basis for Elmer Keith's experiments which lead to the .44 magnum. S&W "N" frames have also been available in .45LC (model 25-5) as well as .45ACP (model 25). I might also note that the "L" frame 686 is available in a plus model that has a 7 round cylinder as well as a 5 shot .44 magnum (model 69).
36.5 oz. empty. Thanks for watching. I do tend to ramble. Talk alot. Sorry if you doh't like it. But that is me. I did not realize I had not given the weight of the Ruger. My bad, notes could have been helpful, if I had been looking at them. But I have tried that in the past, it is something that I tend not to even follow if I have them. (shrug)
Great video! 9 years later I’d be interested in buying that pro series Smith from you. Give me a holler if you’re interested as I’m fully permitted and a Smith & Wesson collector.
You didn't mention on the Wiley that the front portion of the cylinder is reduced down in diameter and the leading edges on the frame edges have been rounded, (smoothed down) as well. Makes for better carry characteristics and no "hard" edges.
Got the blue wiley this weekend. Very fun. Smooth as silk. The lgs also has a used sw the same one as in this compare. 700 used. Anyone comment on finish durability on the rugers. They made 2000 satin and 2500 blue. Be nice to have one of each color
Ruger fan since I was a boy and love that TALO GP100 so much, I just bought one myself...seriously your other video featuring just the Ruger pushed me over the edge. Oh, the other difference between a standard 3" GP100 other than what was mentioned are the reduced radius flutes on the cylinder. I used to be a bit of 686 guy and still love S&Ws, but I just can't warm up to the HUGE gap between the cylinder and the front of the frame and the barrel taper. Nice gun, just not for me...
Great and fun video. I don't know about people thinking that the Smith will out last the GP. I have about a dozen revolvers - 90% being 38/357. And while I don't have a 627; I do have a GP, a Python, a 686 CS-1 and others. That GP is built to last - beat your attacker over the head with it after it's empty! FYI - none of mine have ever failed. Even the 50 year old ones!
Since the metal between the S&W cylinder bores are thinner than the Ruger, does that mean the Ruger will be able to handle full house .357 Magnum loads better? What about heat dissipation? Wouldn't the S&W heat up alot faster? I'm looking for one that will stand the test of time with some powerful loads.
Smith and Wesson has chambered several different rounds in the N-Frame. The 41 Magnum versions are model 57's in blued steel and 657 in Stainless. The 610 was a 6 shot 10mm Auto Stainless revolver. The 625 has been chambered alternately in 45 Colt and 45 ACP identified by different dash numbers such as 625-5 or 625-8, The N Frame was the original home for the 357 Magnum. Those were the registered magnums. They became the model 27 and 28 when Smith switched to Model numbering in the 1950's. and yes they were only 6 shot then. I don't criticize anyone's videos. I don't enjoy public speaking so I don't make videos. I just thought I would pass on some knowledge.
Revolvers are the gun. A damn automatic pistol has a lot of shit to go wrong. Then they end up buying all those expensive magazines. I like the eight shot and the seven shot for conceal and carry.
it feels the same cocking the hammer on a 6 shot N frame despite the longer distances between chamber holes. S&W just always finds a way to shorten their action vs Ruger revolvers. same as my 60 vs sp101
The Ruger seemed to lose about 1/3rd of its trigger pull weight during its break in period which put it about equal with the Smith, however you stated you've only owned the Smith about a week. So something to consider is maybe the Smith will loosen up a bit more after its break in period as well. Just food for thought
The difference between the Smith and Wesson Fram sizes is in the sustained types of full power ammo you intend to use. With modern metallurgy, the RUGER can fire the high-power/ high-pressure heavy grain .357. However, if the shooter conducted sustained use of such ammunition with the RUGER, as shown, there would be significant damage to the cylinders. In any case, the user would experience sticky cases of recently fired brass. Smith and Wesson anticipated that the 627 would be used for the latter ammunition, as the N frame 627 metallurgy is rated for hard use .44 Magnum and the .357 cylinders, have been recessed for high pressure expansion. If the user wants to use the heavy grain-high pressure .357 they need to get a RUGER Redhawk. Comparing the 627 to the GP100 is an apples to oranges comparison
Question, why did you tell us the weight of the s&w, then straight away pick up the Ruger, and not tell us the weight, but rather repeat the exact same info you told us earlier, about the Ruger's sights?
The S&W model 27 is the same as the S&W model 29, the only different is the model 27 being in .357 mag, and the model 29 being in .44 mag. S&W placed a 6 in front of the model number to indicate it is in stainless steel.
Rugers are known to be built loke a Tank. Of the two I believe the Ruger is stronger. My opinion. Smiths are great guns. Probably no problem with either with factory loads.
most of videos on YT present of the 686 pro series as having much lighter trigger. but your side by side comp that the pull is similar to the ruger which is disappointing for the price as I modify my triggers, shouldn't have to on a pro series.
All critics are "armchair" critics. Years ago, when I was a youngun, I learned that whenever you present something to the public, you should expect criticism. The info displayed was good. You just got caught in a ramble. A quick hitting set of notes will aid in not being repetitive. Now, what was the weight?
Great video. I am considering getting a S&W 686 with unfluted cylinder that my dealer currently has. I have a standard 3" GP100, 4" blued GP100 and a S&W 396 .44special NightGuard.
Sorry! This looks nothing like a 27. I havs a 27-2. 5 incher, high luster blue. That is a bad copy of a 27. Every year new cars come out and change a head light or grill. This is what s&w done. Not the same 27.
Ya know, you guys that make NO videos are the ones who THINK you are video production pros!!! Kills me. Maybe if you armchair critics would make perfect videos we could learn from you. How about that?
I think the 627 is the BEST revolver you can own. 8 rounds of .357 or .38 special. My Performance Center model came with beautiful wood grips. I LOVE it!
The S&W N frame is a manly wheel gun! 8 shots, heavy stainless steel, 357 mag, need I say more.
Totally love the Matte stainless. I want a 627 so bad. This year I got a governor, next year i want the 627
thanks for the visit brother
Also in N frame 6 shot .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .41 Magnum and the discontinued 10mm and 6 shot .357
I love the revolvers, keep the videos coming, great job.
N-frame Smith and Wesson handguns in .357 are nothing new. The company came out with the Registered Magnum in the mid nineteen thirties. Later, this revolver became known as the model 27. It has a long history, and from the 27 evolved the 627, which originally featured a six-shot cylinder. The .44 magnum cartridge was developed in the mid-fifties.
All that being said, your 627 is great, and it's one of the many guns on my not-so-short short list. You have good taste.
Awesome video! Greatly appreciate seeing these two fine revolver side x side.
You bet. Thank you.
I’ve had the Wiley gp100 on order about three months now
owned the ruger gp wiley for about 6 months now. Very accurate gun. put full house .357 loads through it, and I'm hitting point of aim at 30 yards. don't let the short barrel fool you, its just as accurate as my gp 100 6 inch at 30 yards.
Just got this gp100 Wiley clap yesterday . Love it!! Beautiful gun!!
Love both these models!! Totally beefy. They will last the test of time ( and a boat load of hot rounds). The WC Rugers finish is so sweet. Just wondering if it's harty or does it scratch to a shiny state? Thanks 👍👍
As others have stated S&W has produced many calibers on the "N" frame. Some of the first "N" frame guns were .357 caliber produced in the 1930s. These were 6 shot revolvers. Later model 24s were produced in .44 spl. which became the basis for Elmer Keith's experiments which lead to the .44 magnum. S&W "N" frames have also been available in .45LC (model 25-5) as well as .45ACP (model 25). I might also note that the "L" frame 686 is available in a plus model that has a 7 round cylinder as well as a 5 shot .44 magnum (model 69).
Thanks for the schooling.
excellent info!
Both great looking revolvers, but I lean toward the Ruger. I would love to have one. Maybe someday
36.5 oz. empty. Thanks for watching. I do tend to ramble. Talk alot. Sorry if you doh't like it. But that is me. I did not realize I had not given the weight of the Ruger. My bad, notes could have been helpful, if I had been looking at them. But I have tried that in the past, it is something that I tend not to even follow if I have them. (shrug)
Great video! 9 years later I’d be interested in buying that pro series Smith from you. Give me a holler if you’re interested as I’m fully permitted and a Smith & Wesson collector.
Old ass video.... so which one did you keep? Or do you still have them both?
Cannot go wrong with at least one of each. Thanks much for watching
I own the 627 but would like to get the GP100 also. Thanks for the great vid
Excellent comparison between the two. I have 2 GP100's - one is the WC model that you own. Great little gun for woods bumming. Scott
Yep, that usually has a 44 Magnum cylinder in it. Thanks for watching
RUGER HANDS DOWN...PLUS IT JUST LOOKS BETTER
Lol
Great review. Just picked up the Wiley Clapp and I love it.
I do to. Shiny stainless is great to look at, but shooting on the sunshine can be a challenge. Glare. Thanks for watching fella.
Why not? Thanks for watching.
You didn't mention on the Wiley that the front portion of the cylinder is reduced down in diameter and the leading edges on the frame edges have been rounded, (smoothed down) as well. Makes for better carry characteristics and no "hard" edges.
Great comparison!
It has gotten better. Love the Wiley.
man I love the GP100, but the 2 extra rounds in the Smith is a big deal for me. if ruger goes 8 bye bye Smith!
Got the blue wiley this weekend. Very fun. Smooth as silk. The lgs also has a used sw the same one as in this compare. 700 used. Anyone comment on finish durability on the rugers. They made 2000 satin and 2500 blue. Be nice to have one of each color
Ruger fan since I was a boy and love that TALO GP100 so much, I just bought one myself...seriously your other video featuring just the Ruger pushed me over the edge. Oh, the other difference between a standard 3" GP100 other than what was mentioned are the reduced radius flutes on the cylinder. I used to be a bit of 686 guy and still love S&Ws, but I just can't warm up to the HUGE gap between the cylinder and the front of the frame and the barrel taper. Nice gun, just not for me...
Great and fun video. I don't know about people thinking that the Smith will out last the GP. I have about a dozen revolvers - 90% being 38/357. And while I don't have a 627; I do have a GP, a Python, a 686 CS-1 and others. That GP is built to last - beat your attacker over the head with it after it's empty! FYI - none of mine have ever failed. Even the 50 year old ones!
Very nice! Love stainless, myself.
Since the metal between the S&W cylinder bores are thinner than the Ruger, does that mean the Ruger will be able to handle full house .357 Magnum loads better?
What about heat dissipation? Wouldn't the S&W heat up alot faster?
I'm looking for one that will stand the test of time with some powerful loads.
Smith and Wesson has chambered several different rounds in the N-Frame. The 41 Magnum versions are model 57's in blued steel and 657 in Stainless. The 610 was a 6 shot 10mm Auto Stainless revolver. The 625 has been chambered alternately in 45 Colt and 45 ACP identified by different dash numbers such as 625-5 or 625-8,
The N Frame was the original home for the 357 Magnum. Those were the registered magnums. They became the model 27 and 28 when Smith switched to Model numbering in the 1950's. and yes they were only 6 shot then.
I don't criticize anyone's videos. I don't enjoy public speaking so I don't make videos. I just thought I would pass on some knowledge.
Good info is always good thanks.
And somehow I forgot the Model 58 in my list. That too was a 41 Magnum.
Revolvers are the gun. A damn automatic pistol has a lot of shit to go wrong. Then they end up buying all those expensive magazines. I like the eight shot and the seven shot for conceal and carry.
it feels the same cocking the hammer on a 6 shot N frame despite the longer distances between chamber holes. S&W just always finds a way to shorten their action vs Ruger revolvers. same as my 60 vs sp101
great video. Just picked up a 627
I like em both ! But I’m leaning to that 627
Love the look of both of those. Good video.
I have the same exact GP 100 and also noticed the trigger got alot lighter but I'm still thinking of getting a trigger job
Thanks. Nice looking guns.
The cylinder on the smith looks short in that big N frame with a longer barrel to compensate, doesn't it?
I bought this 27-2 in jan 74. It can't be mistaken for this weapon.
Thanks Walt. Appreciate ya
The Ruger seemed to lose about 1/3rd of its trigger pull weight during its break in period which put it about equal with the Smith, however you stated you've only owned the Smith about a week. So something to consider is maybe the Smith will loosen up a bit more after its break in period as well. Just food for thought
Is the Wiley Clapp trigger better over the standard gp100?
+Brandon Scott not sure. GP100 triggers are good as well.
Super jealous ! Great guns and great vid.
The difference between the Smith and Wesson Fram sizes is in the sustained types of full power ammo you intend to use. With modern metallurgy, the RUGER can fire the high-power/ high-pressure heavy grain .357. However, if the shooter conducted sustained use of such ammunition with the RUGER, as shown, there would be significant damage to the cylinders. In any case, the user would experience sticky cases of recently fired brass. Smith and Wesson anticipated that the 627 would be used for the latter ammunition, as the N frame 627 metallurgy is rated for hard use .44 Magnum and the .357 cylinders, have been recessed for high pressure expansion.
If the user wants to use the heavy grain-high pressure .357 they need to get a RUGER Redhawk. Comparing the 627 to the GP100 is an apples to oranges comparison
Does the S&W 627 require the use of a moon clip or if I want to use a moon clip, does the cylinder need to be cut?
ac31415927 no. It is ready for moons.
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Thanks. I am in the process of getting one just like yours.
Roger that. Thanks for watching
Them there big rounds are..wait for it.....Avon bottles. Yea I know, I know. Look cool though. Thanks for watching.
Question, why did you tell us the weight of the s&w, then straight away pick up the Ruger, and not tell us the weight, but rather repeat the exact same info you told us earlier, about the Ruger's sights?
i think that the TRR8 and R8 are also "N" frame. They take 8 .357 rnds as well. Nice review.
I have the S&W 627 Performance Center ... it is awsome
The S&W model 27 is the same as the S&W model 29, the only different is the model 27 being in .357 mag, and the model 29 being in .44 mag. S&W placed a 6 in front of the model number to indicate it is in stainless steel.
Sorry, the only 27-2 is the original 357, mag luster blue. You can call it what you want but, you. Can't mistake the 27 From this gun.
Appreciate ya Tom. Thanks for following my channel.
LOL, Yes I know you do. Appreciate ya
Great Review! Thanks Man
that big N frame is a lot of gun but I bet it sits like an elephant on the target. had the S&W 629 and that N frame handled that 44 bullet nicely
the 627 is like holding a hand grenade if you use anything higher than factory loads.
Rugers are known to be built loke a Tank. Of the two I believe the Ruger is stronger. My opinion. Smiths are great guns. Probably no problem with either with factory loads.
most of videos on YT present of the 686 pro series as having much lighter trigger. but your side by side comp that the pull is similar to the ruger which is disappointing for the price as I modify my triggers, shouldn't have to on a pro series.
I disagree since I felt the S&W sounded light and crisp. Plus I own a 627, NO complaints.
well they also had to adjust the timing for 357 instead of 44.
Good comparison , but they are different class guns.
Appreciate it.
Thanks much.
Love the WC Ruger!
Beautiful GP 100
the s&w 929 is an 8 shot 9mm N frame revolver that s&w used to make.
Nice guns, bro.
Love the smith 627
Yeppers, hard to dislike either one. Thanks.
Love the jp 100
they also make an I frame
The 625, and 610 are also N frames
All critics are "armchair" critics. Years ago, when I was a youngun, I learned that whenever you present something to the public, you should expect criticism. The info displayed was good. You just got caught in a ramble. A quick hitting set of notes will aid in not being repetitive. Now, what was the weight?
If I got a 627 could I slap a 44 mag cylinder in it?
Yes go ahead and make sure to use full power .44 magnum loads in it so you can push it faster through the small .357 hole! Have fun!!!
Oh and please make a video of you doing it!
I don't see how the timing would match.
High pressure hot-forged vs. investment casting. The SW will do just fine because it is made of more durable material than Ruger.
Great video. I am considering getting a S&W 686 with unfluted cylinder that my dealer currently has. I have a standard 3" GP100, 4" blued GP100 and a S&W 396 .44special NightGuard.
the ruger in this vid looks like a mix of s&w and colt revolver
I looooveee that wiley clap! but u know this already hehee
GP 100 hands down !!!!!!!!
I think the ruger will out last the smith. The cylinder is just made better.
Sorry! This looks nothing like a 27. I havs a 27-2. 5 incher, high luster blue. That is a bad copy of a 27. Every year new cars come out and change a head light or grill. This is what s&w done. Not the same 27.
Sorry, but the Ruger just looks better and anything that reminds me of an "Old West" gun is the Cat's pajamas.
If ur going to show off like you said, lets get our facts right, its a 627 not a 686 😂
this pistol shite is a real sickness, God help me I love it so
I've learned to never trade or sell any guns if they're not malfunctioning.
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Ya know, you guys that make NO videos are the ones who THINK you are video production pros!!! Kills me. Maybe if you armchair critics would make perfect videos we could learn from you. How about that?
And a tapered cylinder.
Both great looking revolvers, but I lean toward the Ruger. I would love to have one. Maybe someday