Great video! Thank you for posting. I'm from California so even though I work on the East coast I like to see how my brothers from back home get it done.
We have demo'd those at work, and it seems like they would certainly have some use on a large commercial with many tough doors. I know our guys years ago used the regular jaws against an alley-side door with two drop-bars.
What he couldve mentioned was that if your worried about the rollup doors or garage doors coming back down, just use the fork of the halligan to pry like a crease in the track so the wheels can't get past it
Interesting stuff. Thinking a bit outside the box, we carry a set of battery powered spreaders that could have some application in an industrial forceable entry scenario.
The problem with cutting rolling or sectional doors when they are down is they are under full load tension. When you remove the weight of the slats you now have a reverse guillotine the can cause serious injury or death if it lets loose.
Never kick a door. You're more likely to injure yourself than do any good. A firefighter with a dislocated knee is no use on the fire ground. I know a lot of old guys that say they used to do it until someone got hurt. You have irons that are supposed to take the beating, not your joints.
+Jordan Thayer: I concur. It's my only real issue with this video, which I mainly re-share for the great saw-work in it. It was made in 1998, almost 20 years ago. Hopefully people are catching on to that. --S.
Ive seen this video. Its a shame a death has to get departments to know they have be doing it wrong for years. Kicking the door is just a rediculous means of opening a door. I hope they have changed there operating procedure and have trained and continue to train with the new and proper techniques.
I agree. It's the one issue I have with this video as training. But in their defense, this video was produced over 15 years ago. Hopefully those attitudes are starting to give way. I think the saw-work in this video is pretty revolutionary.
I have discussed this video with some big names out my way. Actually it was brought to my attention by one of these men. First not having a set of irons really hurt them. A simple set would have gotten them into front do no sweat. None of those locks on front are tough. Definitely not the door itself. The doors in back either. We have been cutting room downs that way as long as I have been involved in fire service. But again the haligan plays a major role in pulling the slats. Plus there's a different approach to mortified roll down gates and manual ones. Motorized roll downs have to be cut to enter. Next us weather or not you have the blade to cut as much as you may think. A few quick cuts and spiking a slat to pull your in. My training company has built actual roll down gates which we train ffs on cutting these gates and other fast techniques to gain entry. The big issue here is what we're they doing on that roof? I hope all ffs learn from other depts fireground problems. Adapt and overcome and add something to your toolbox. We train alot a ffs per year and are still met with some resistance in adapting to safe practices on fireground.
@@SearchandDestroyFire Bull shit !!! I guess some of you guys want to Discuss the matter. While I agree that after a kick or two then go to other means. The V cut on this door I happen to disagree with. Look at the dead bolts and tell me that gaining entry was not an easy job.
A V cut on the steel door ! Why??/ All they needed was a haligan bar and a K-tool to pop the locks out and turn the freakin bolt. I have doe this many times.
A lot of training to save a person's life. Or to save a building. But sometimes the firefighters do more damage to a house or building to put the fire out, then the fire does itself. Am I correct?
Good lord, don't kick a door unless you are separated from your tool somehow and it is your last resort. Most residential doors that are interior around here you can kick, because they are thin wood, but a steel or hardwood door is just a terrible idea to kick.
Safe, very fast explosive door breach options exist such as tools which use one or two existing flashbangs on handle for safe standoff and contain the flashbangs to focus the blast. They are faster than tools and could save lives in an emergency situation. LEO and firefighters share a lot of breaching tech but I've not heard of this making it to firefighters. Check out this tool (I'm not affiliated with any equipment makers or seller) and contemplate how you could make a version suited to firefighting. ruclips.net/video/0csVc3QPKo0/видео.html The LEO version is designed with inferior mechanical advantage because inserting flashbangs inside a room is different then doorbusting. A straight handle with a rotating head held in the desired clock position by a spring loaded ball detent would allow fast adjustment to suit the situation. Your local fab shop could make to your spec easily and the project is within "skilled hobbyist" range. Picture a pie plate on the end of a long pipe.
The fire service had a shaped charge breaching tool in the early 70s called the Jet Axe. It didn't catch on in a big way....probably because giving fireman (a generally lawless bunch!) shaped charges was a dicey proposition!--S.
I getting kicking a door is dangerous but often I see of people strictly adhering to "never kick" and wasting time waiting to force a door when a boot would have worked.
Jesus Christ had to stop at 5 min in Video the gate and according security gate wrap a BIG fuckin chain around the poles hook the other end of chain to back of big fire truck Stand Way Back and pull the the fuckin gates out into the street that big truck is heavy and strong enough for the task. with two guys one front of the chain to hook it around the gates and other guy hooking onto back of the truck take less than 30 seconds and no Fatigue or Injury the Doors You guys should have better Rotary saws Faster rpms and better Blades cut deeper for doors or special tool that can remove 3 hinge pins if there accessable I have good ideas and special Equipment designs on a lot of your situations
That works sometimes and is used every now and then on some gates. Typically, we would use a command truck. Most of the time obstacles in the area or narrow streets prevent using a 20+ foot long fire truck that is difficult to maneuver. Also, the Apparatus DO typically parks the trucks in tactical positions upon arrival before locks are evaluated. While the crew assigned to forcible entry starts their job simultaneously the engineer takes the truck out of road gear and engages and primes the pump, the fire attack crews begin pulling preconnects from the apparatus closest to the entrance which on a building this size could be a couple 1 3/4 pre-connects, and should include a 2 1/2 pre-connect. the water supply team should be connecting the 4 or 5" LDH to the attack engine. So if the crew assigned to forcible entry wants use the truck to pull a gate down the pre-connects (all 3) have to be disassembled and moved out of the way, the LDH has to be disconnected and moved out of the way. The pump has to be disengaged and put back into road gear and the 20+ foot long rig has to be maneuvered for the gate within reach of the chain. Then the gate and chain has to be moved out of the way, the rig repositioned and all the pre-connects reconnected, pump re-engaged, water supply re-established. Additionally, most departments have a guideline requiring charged hand lines before forcing doors on working fires as the fire intensity will grow. The trucks are used for that purpose. Even maneuvering a command vehicle around engines on a fire ground with hoselines on the ground can be difficult. The gates weren't the problem anyways, the multiple layers of security ending with a double inward/outward swinging door was the issue. Most all truck and engine companies carry at least one really good set of bolt cutters, cut the lock and open the gate. If it is a case hardened or a puck style lock then you may have to have a rotary saw or chain if you have the room. This video came out when rotary saw fads were sky rocketing. They have their place, personally I would have directed my crew to force the doors with Irons, or break the locks which is eventually what worked anyways.
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Great video! Thank you for posting. I'm from California so even though I work on the East coast I like to see how my brothers from back home get it done.
We have demo'd those at work, and it seems like they would certainly have some use on a large commercial with many tough doors. I know our guys years ago used the regular jaws against an alley-side door with two drop-bars.
What he couldve mentioned was that if your worried about the rollup doors or garage doors coming back down, just use the fork of the halligan to pry like a crease in the track so the wheels can't get past it
Absolutely and also, that was why many of us carried wooden chocks in our pockets.
Interesting stuff. Thinking a bit outside the box, we carry a set of battery powered spreaders that could have some application in an industrial forceable entry scenario.
Very good video!
The problem with cutting rolling or sectional doors when they are down is they are under full load tension. When you remove the weight of the slats you now have a reverse guillotine the can cause serious injury or death if it lets loose.
Wow really?
Never kick a door. You're more likely to injure yourself than do any good. A firefighter with a dislocated knee is no use on the fire ground. I know a lot of old guys that say they used to do it until someone got hurt. You have irons that are supposed to take the beating, not your joints.
+Jordan Thayer: I concur. It's my only real issue with this video, which I mainly re-share for the great saw-work in it. It was made in 1998, almost 20 years ago. Hopefully people are catching on to that. --S.
never say never and never say always.
Ive seen this video. Its a shame a death has to get departments to know they have be doing it wrong for years.
Kicking the door is just a rediculous means of opening a door. I hope they have changed there operating procedure and have trained and continue to train with the new and proper techniques.
I agree. It's the one issue I have with this video as training. But in their defense, this video was produced over 15 years ago. Hopefully those attitudes are starting to give way. I think the saw-work in this video is pretty revolutionary.
I have discussed this video with some big names out my way. Actually it was brought to my attention by one of these men. First not having a set of irons really hurt them. A simple set would have gotten them into front do no sweat. None of those locks on front are tough. Definitely not the door itself.
The doors in back either. We have been cutting room downs that way as long as I have been involved in fire service. But again the haligan plays a major role in pulling the slats. Plus there's a different approach to mortified roll down gates and manual ones. Motorized roll downs have to be cut to enter. Next us weather or not you have the blade to cut as much as you may think. A few quick cuts and spiking a slat to pull your in. My training company has built actual roll down gates which we train ffs on cutting these gates and other fast techniques to gain entry.
The big issue here is what we're they doing on that roof? I hope all ffs learn from other depts fireground problems. Adapt and overcome and add something to your toolbox. We train alot a ffs per year and are still met with some resistance in adapting to safe practices on fireground.
@@SearchandDestroyFire Bull shit !!! I guess some of you guys want to Discuss the matter. While I agree that after a kick or two then go to other means. The V cut on this door I happen to disagree with. Look at the dead bolts and tell me that gaining entry was not an easy job.
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A V cut on the steel door ! Why??/ All they needed was a haligan bar and a K-tool to pop the locks out and turn the freakin bolt. I have doe this many times.
Every time you open the door does it not cause problems because you are allowing oxygen in to feed the flames?
A lot of training to save a person's life. Or to save a building. But sometimes the firefighters do more damage to a house or building to put the fire out, then the fire does itself. Am I correct?
Do it the army way. Wrap chain around main horizontal bar near deadbolt. Attach chain to humvee or in this case firetruck. Drive away.
tskfrcdgr that's what I said too but that's too easy
Dont forget to come back
Never kick a door. You will have a tool in your hand so use it
But what happens if you want to injury your shelf.. Humm.
I’ve only watched about half the video but so far its almost entirely clips on what not to do.
More importantly, who wrote the music?
Good lord, don't kick a door unless you are separated from your tool somehow and it is your last resort.
Most residential doors that are interior around here you can kick, because they are thin wood, but a steel or hardwood door is just a terrible idea to kick.
9:58 Mule kick? Forward kick? I just do a Judy chop, followed up by using my irons.
Safe, very fast explosive door breach options exist such as tools which use one or two existing flashbangs on handle for safe standoff and contain the flashbangs to focus the blast. They are faster than tools and could save lives in an emergency situation. LEO and firefighters share a lot of breaching tech but I've not heard of this making it to firefighters.
Check out this tool (I'm not affiliated with any equipment makers or seller) and contemplate how you could make a version suited to firefighting.
ruclips.net/video/0csVc3QPKo0/видео.html
The LEO version is designed with inferior mechanical advantage because inserting flashbangs inside a room is different then doorbusting. A straight handle with a rotating head held in the desired clock position by a spring loaded ball detent would allow fast adjustment to suit the situation. Your local fab shop could make to your spec easily and the project is within "skilled hobbyist" range. Picture a pie plate on the end of a long pipe.
The fire service had a shaped charge breaching tool in the early 70s called the Jet Axe. It didn't catch on in a big way....probably because giving fireman (a generally lawless bunch!) shaped charges was a dicey proposition!--S.
I getting kicking a door is dangerous but often I see of people strictly adhering to "never kick" and wasting time waiting to force a door when a boot would have worked.
Shouldn’t take long to force a door with the correct tools. Really, no reason to risk killing someone that’s on the other side.
thats not a padlock "bail". it's called a "shackle" !!!
how about using explosive?
Jesus Christ had to stop at 5 min in Video the gate and according security gate wrap a BIG fuckin chain around the poles hook the other end of chain to back of big fire truck Stand Way Back and pull the the fuckin gates out into the street that big truck is heavy and strong enough for the task. with two guys one front of the chain to hook it around the gates and other guy hooking onto back of the truck take less than 30 seconds and no Fatigue or Injury the Doors You guys should have better Rotary saws Faster rpms and better Blades cut deeper for doors or special tool that can remove 3 hinge pins if there accessable I have good ideas and special Equipment designs on a lot of your situations
That works sometimes and is used every now and then on some gates. Typically, we would use a command truck. Most of the time obstacles in the area or narrow streets prevent using a 20+ foot long fire truck that is difficult to maneuver. Also, the Apparatus DO typically parks the trucks in tactical positions upon arrival before locks are evaluated. While the crew assigned to forcible entry starts their job simultaneously the engineer takes the truck out of road gear and engages and primes the pump, the fire attack crews begin pulling preconnects from the apparatus closest to the entrance which on a building this size could be a couple 1 3/4 pre-connects, and should include a 2 1/2 pre-connect. the water supply team should be connecting the 4 or 5" LDH to the attack engine. So if the crew assigned to forcible entry wants use the truck to pull a gate down the pre-connects (all 3) have to be disassembled and moved out of the way, the LDH has to be disconnected and moved out of the way. The pump has to be disengaged and put back into road gear and the 20+ foot long rig has to be maneuvered for the gate within reach of the chain. Then the gate and chain has to be moved out of the way, the rig repositioned and all the pre-connects reconnected, pump re-engaged, water supply re-established. Additionally, most departments have a guideline requiring charged hand lines before forcing doors on working fires as the fire intensity will grow. The trucks are used for that purpose. Even maneuvering a command vehicle around engines on a fire ground with hoselines on the ground can be difficult. The gates weren't the problem anyways, the multiple layers of security ending with a double inward/outward swinging door was the issue. Most all truck and engine companies carry at least one really good set of bolt cutters, cut the lock and open the gate. If it is a case hardened or a puck style lock then you may have to have a rotary saw or chain if you have the room. This video came out when rotary saw fads were sky rocketing. They have their place, personally I would have directed my crew to force the doors with Irons, or break the locks which is eventually what worked anyways.
Sorry but this is terrible information.:(
I don't care for the kicking doors portion of the program, but I think the K12 slice and peel portion in many scenarios is outstanding.