Could just use a throttle that has one of those gamepad joysticks to control horizontal and vertical thrust instead. It even gives you the ability to not only play space sims but flight sims too
@Eggmayoryeah but those sliding throttles are putrid for uncoupled space maneuvres. I’d be constantly slide between full throttle - zero - full reverse.
Considering I'm a lefty, and fly with my left, it would be right stick strafe/throttle for me. I finally bit the bullet and ordered a virpil for my main, and will move the CH Fighterstick (modified ambidextrous) to the right. Also, Pedals for yaw are where it's at. Been flying that way for WAAaaayyy too long to stop now. Rotating sticks definitely aren't as functional as a separate peripheral.
I used to do this on mouse and keyboard. So I can do this with the left stick I have, nice. Cloud surfing, I almost fell out of the clouds because my nose dipped down below!
I have pedals coming for roll and thrust, reverse! Also another alpha prime for my right hand as I was hosam but now decided to immerse myself with hosas! I'm excited.
I also have a HOSAS setup, what I coudn't understand from your video is how you apply your vertical thrust with your left stick. Mine is an omni throttle from VKB and I use forward and backwards for normal thrust, twisting motion down and up for vertical trust and left and right for side thrust.
@acarrillo8277 i can see why you would swap it, it functions like a bike throttle. I tried it before but felt unconfortable to hold the twist. Unless you set it up where you can let go and it maintain the same speed.
@@gabzsy4924 So those VIRPL sticks have a rotary wheel like a mouse wheel where the stick meets the thumb controls. I use that as cruise throttle and the twist for combat and docking maneuvers.
So watching this whole thing, you also gave me an idea for adjusting the thruster percentages again. Wonder if I can back load my ship's bottom thrusters to induce more nose rising, by decreasing the overall thrust from the top. *Note scribbling*
Great video, thanks. Quick question: is there a keybind to swap profiles between left-stick flying and the default 'normal mode' that everybody uses? Basically, right-stick yaw-left roll.
@@0Metatron most players don't understand how to use decoupled mode correctly and I struggle with it still though I use mouse and keyboard until my vkbs come in as im moving from t16000s.
@BlackMaze anychance you could share your Virpil settings. Specifically any S-Curves you have for your sticks? Been trying to find the right sweet spot for S-Curves with the virpil sticks
I was looking at pretty picture, so didn't listen to what you were saying. But this is basically using systematic physics simulation against the game : ) First of all, it depends on the ship, and is caused by aerodynamic profile from the top. If your ship has wings or other protrusions in the back and they're off center-of-mass - you'll get more air resistance on that parts when strafing, therefore - rotation. If we will have front-heavy ship someday, it will pitch in the opposite direction : )
Right, my thoughts exactly. Incorrectly placed strafing thrusters. But maybe it is correct, if you want them to be a little bit yawing thrusters. That's okay, it's allowed. The more the ship moves like you want it to the better. In Space engineers you can place as many thrusters wherever you want on your ship, and you can turn them on and off one by one or in groups you created. Only problem, there is no aerodynamics simulation. It's more a building game, not a simulator. But you can do yaw with gyros or you can do yaw with thrusters if you want to.
I'm thorn between roll on twist or roll on X. I think for combat aiming is way more precise using X and Y for pitch and yaw than Y and roll. ..but to be honest I don't do combat so I may have to re-wire myself to the classic roll on X and yaw on twist.
I didn't like the lack of precision using twist for yaw, even for non combat use. The movement amplitude will always be less than the main stick axis. As I don't want losing precision for both, I have a rudder for roll. The axis that for me need less precision, strafe, are on left twist for up/down and right twist for left/right srafing.
I didn't like the lack of precision using twist for yaw, even for non combat use. The movement amplitude will always be less than the main stick axis. As I don't want losing precision for both, I have a rudder for roll. The axis that for me need less precision, strafe, are on left twist for up/down and right twist for left/right srafing.
Does that mean Left Handed dominant people would be "Right Stickers" in this context? Seriously considering the implications of dominant hand with dual sticks now because of this. Harrumph? Like, being ambidextrous.... holy heck the coordination with both hands!
OOOOH MY GOD. I cannot believe this is not something that has bene shown like a million times, what the bleep, Maze, oh my god, I can't take it anymore, I gotta rip out the dual LOGIS, (1st and 3rd generation). This is what hover mode was likely intended to be able to give us the ability to do. I guess Arena Commander 2.0 is where it happens!
Some might like Y axis on left stick for up/down strafe, for a full strafe stick, instead of for thrust. At least I do, because I don't like the Z axis for up/down strafe and I dont have sticks that can use an L-bracket, which might solve that problem for me. So for now my left stick is full strafe and I don't use Z axis on that one and use pedals for thrust. Also for strafe I am an invert; I pull back for up strafing.
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Left stick is definitely where the magic happens for 6DOF flight. You did a wonderful job of showcasing this. 🤘
Could just use a throttle that has one of those gamepad joysticks to control horizontal and vertical thrust instead. It even gives you the ability to not only play space sims but flight sims too
@Eggmayoryeah but those sliding throttles are putrid for uncoupled space maneuvres. I’d be constantly slide between full throttle - zero - full reverse.
This is how I fly mostly. I just add racing pedals for forward/rev thrust. Nice to have that axis under my foot
I definitely agree. That’s my dream setup. Forward reverse thrust on pedals is a must. Too bad I can’t afford a full setup yet lol.
Considering I'm a lefty, and fly with my left, it would be right stick strafe/throttle for me. I finally bit the bullet and ordered a virpil for my main, and will move the CH Fighterstick (modified ambidextrous) to the right.
Also, Pedals for yaw are where it's at. Been flying that way for WAAaaayyy too long to stop now. Rotating sticks definitely aren't as functional as a separate peripheral.
I used to do this on mouse and keyboard. So I can do this with the left stick I have, nice. Cloud surfing, I almost fell out of the clouds because my nose dipped down below!
I have pedals coming for roll and thrust, reverse! Also another alpha prime for my right hand as I was hosam but now decided to immerse myself with hosas! I'm excited.
I also have a HOSAS setup, what I coudn't understand from your video is how you apply your vertical thrust with your left stick. Mine is an omni throttle from VKB and I use forward and backwards for normal thrust, twisting motion down and up for vertical trust and left and right for side thrust.
I am guessing his Z translation is on the twist axis. I prefer it swapped where Forward and back on the stick is Z axis and twist is thrust
@acarrillo8277 i can see why you would swap it, it functions like a bike throttle. I tried it before but felt unconfortable to hold the twist. Unless you set it up where you can let go and it maintain the same speed.
@@gabzsy4924 So those VIRPL sticks have a rotary wheel like a mouse wheel where the stick meets the thumb controls. I use that as cruise throttle and the twist for combat and docking maneuvers.
So watching this whole thing, you also gave me an idea for adjusting the thruster percentages again. Wonder if I can back load my ship's bottom thrusters to induce more nose rising, by decreasing the overall thrust from the top. *Note scribbling*
Great video, thanks. Quick question: is there a keybind to swap profiles between left-stick flying and the default 'normal mode' that everybody uses? Basically, right-stick yaw-left roll.
No it’s not a switch. You can use both at the same time.
- Left stick is translational strafing thrust.
- Right stick is rotational thrust.
There is a keybind to toggle yaw and roll axis with a button, if that is what you are asking. Just check the keybinds.
@@TheBod76 That's exactly it! I am very relieved with that information. Thank you.
Just fly in decoupled and use you strafes, no need to toggle anything
@@0Metatron most players don't understand how to use decoupled mode correctly and I struggle with it still though I use mouse and keyboard until my vkbs come in as im moving from t16000s.
@BlackMaze anychance you could share your Virpil settings. Specifically any S-Curves you have for your sticks? Been trying to find the right sweet spot for S-Curves with the virpil sticks
I was looking at pretty picture, so didn't listen to what you were saying. But this is basically using systematic physics simulation against the game : ) First of all, it depends on the ship, and is caused by aerodynamic profile from the top. If your ship has wings or other protrusions in the back and they're off center-of-mass - you'll get more air resistance on that parts when strafing, therefore - rotation. If we will have front-heavy ship someday, it will pitch in the opposite direction : )
Coming back to Star Citicizen and this is the seyup I want ty.
And here I though you introduce us to HOSAM. Which also use left-stick flying, just in a pretty different way. ;-)
Lateral thrusters should not make your ship yaw and pitch tbh. They should just let you strafe.
Right, my thoughts exactly. Incorrectly placed strafing thrusters. But maybe it is correct, if you want them to be a little bit yawing thrusters. That's okay, it's allowed. The more the ship moves like you want it to the better. In Space engineers you can place as many thrusters wherever you want on your ship, and you can turn them on and off one by one or in groups you created. Only problem, there is no aerodynamics simulation. It's more a building game, not a simulator. But you can do yaw with gyros or you can do yaw with thrusters if you want to.
Best ending ever!
I have same sticks. What are you using to draw curves?
Maze, is your downward thrust on the opposite analog lever?
what is the music you are using please ?
Thanks for your video and sharing!
I'm thorn between roll on twist or roll on X. I think for combat aiming is way more precise using X and Y for pitch and yaw than Y and roll. ..but to be honest I don't do combat so I may have to re-wire myself to the classic roll on X and yaw on twist.
I didn't like the lack of precision using twist for yaw, even for non combat use. The movement amplitude will always be less than the main stick axis. As I don't want losing precision for both, I have a rudder for roll. The axis that for me need less precision, strafe, are on left twist for up/down and right twist for left/right srafing.
I think it would come down to yaw curves.
as a pilot left stick flying is the only way it would even feel comfortable as I do the same IRL. so I have the whole thing opposite LOL
Clean setup 👍
can you make a guide to set up in game?
Thanks
I didn't like the lack of precision using twist for yaw, even for non combat use. The movement amplitude will always be less than the main stick axis. As I don't want losing precision for both, I have a rudder for roll. The axis that for me need less precision, strafe, are on left twist for up/down and right twist for left/right srafing.
Do you have a curve for your left stick?
Where do you have the aceleration??
Left stick Y-axis is usually the most recommended.
Does that mean Left Handed dominant people would be "Right Stickers" in this context? Seriously considering the implications of dominant hand with dual sticks now because of this. Harrumph? Like, being ambidextrous.... holy heck the coordination with both hands!
Yea you always want your pitch and yaw stick in your dominant had for aiming
@@0Metatron Noice. Especially coming from you!
Good old left stick 😅
I'm so lost setting up my ALPHA Primes...
OOOOH MY GOD. I cannot believe this is not something that has bene shown like a million times, what the bleep, Maze, oh my god, I can't take it anymore, I gotta rip out the dual LOGIS, (1st and 3rd generation). This is what hover mode was likely intended to be able to give us the ability to do. I guess Arena Commander 2.0 is where it happens!
wait, people don't normally fly like this?
this is the only logical configuration
how else would someone use two joysticks?
Some might like Y axis on left stick for up/down strafe, for a full strafe stick, instead of for thrust. At least I do, because I don't like the Z axis for up/down strafe and I dont have sticks that can use an L-bracket, which might solve that problem for me. So for now my left stick is full strafe and I don't use Z axis on that one and use pedals for thrust.
Also for strafe I am an invert; I pull back for up strafing.
i don't get it.
i get the right stick and i get the left stick throttle, i don't get the rest, which was the main point of the video lol.
Yaw yaw yaw I am Lourde.
In the future
I'm gonna have to quit being a shitter and upgrade my pc.
*promosm* 😏
And the new flight model currently being tested is going to throw all of this out the window 😢