www.lcc.org.uk/... Southwark Cyclist's Barry Mason shows you how to stop thieves stealing your bike www.lcc.org.uk/... (with respect to Hal from Streetfilms)
RIP Barry Mason, the guy in the video who has just died while on holiday in Spain (5 June 2011). He was involved in a myriad of local environmental and transport campaigns in southeast London and will be greatly missed by all who knew him.
Great advice! One problem though. Around here there are a bunch of the style of bike rack that you slide your wheel into. I really hate those because I can't use my U lock to lock to the frame. I always carry a U lock and a cable lock. I got the cable lock for when there isn't a bike rack and I have to lock the bike to something the U lock wont fit around. Thanks to this video I will start using both locks when I can. Keep up the good work!
i have 2 realy heavy good chains which can only be cut with a disc cutters, they are heavy and i use ithem when i lock my bike for long periods when i swim or go th the gym, they both have good locks too, because they are quite heavy to carry all the time i leave one on the rack at the pool and one at the gym , if you leave your bike at the same place most of the time just leave the lock too , this wil not put you off carrying a heavy lock or locks with you every where you go ,
around 3:20 he criticises a lock for being a 'rubbish boy racer lock' which looks to me to be an Abus Granit (I could be wrong!) they're rated 10 on Abus scale and silver on the Sold Secure - so not exactly rubbish! Reason I spotted this is that I have 2 of these - one at work & one at my sports club as they're heavy to carry around. You can clearly see the Abus logo near the keyhole. Agree there are plenty of locks that look sturdy but are rubbish, but that one has a high rating?
I'd rather get insurance than waste hundreds of dollars on two stupid heavy locks that I have to shlepp around like a friggin mountain goat. Golden rated or not. They won't stop a thief if he wants to get your bike.
@castlefox27 You want peace of mind? Buy a used bike that's so cheap you won't sweat it if it's stolen. Unless you're Lance Armstrong you won't know the difference between a $50 bike and a $500 bike anyway.
Why's he hitting the bikes?! Good point, I have 2 locks. And most people have one dlock, come on, adding a second d lock isn't going to be difficult is it?
@LondonCycling I used two typed of lock. My D-lock came with a cable, so I used that to secure the front wheel, and the D-lock to secure the back wheel and frame. Unfortunately, I stupidly locked the bike to the rack using this cable alone, so the thieves cut through the cable and CARRIED the bike away. This time, I'm buying two D-locks. One solely for securing the bikr frame to the rack, and one to replace the old lock. RIP my 2009 Dawes XC 1.8 :(
No, quick releases are just that, quick to release. There original design was to allow race bicyclists to replace wheels quickly. Not to stop people from stealing your bike. Really I would just go with a security lock and keep the star key or hex key whatever it uses on your keychain or attached to the key of your bike lock.
this is the saddest bunch of bikers ever, steal a front wheel from one badly locked bike and steal a frame and back wheel from another who only locked their front wheel and you can ride off into the sunset...and make two people cry. I personally never lock only my back wheel and frame since i don't carry a cable. luckily no stolen front wheel yet
30 years and never had his bike stolen is good claim. But if you put up a sign that says "I bet you can't steal this bike" it WILL be stolen. It's really 30 years of luck of the draw (and good locks obviously). there's no such thing as a perfect/safe lock, we are just doing our best to DETER thieves with locks that may take too much time or effort to open or cut. Give them enough privacy and time locks can be broken. I lock mine in very public/high traffic areas just in case.
@LondonCycling "The big lock is a pain to carry.." If possible, leave the heavier lock at the parking area and carry only one lock. If feasible, leave both lock there. An even better option, use a Brompton and it's away with you - no chance for the thieves.
The cable lock Barry calls " a rubbish boy racer lock " at 3 min 22s is actually an Abus granite steel o flex & is sold GOLD secure. I use these locks & have never had a bike stolen. I lost my key last year and it took me a good 2 minutes with an angle grinder to get through my lock. The cable inside the hardened steel shell is at least 15mm in diameter. You should try carrying on around all day Barry.
@davidaluis Your one is a lot better than the broken cheap one he had in his hand but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the steel oflex alone. Use a good u lock as well, save the flex for the front wheel and frame
It's not luck: it's about getting the right lock strength for the value/nickability of your bike, and (as you rightly say) about where and when you leave it. It is easily possible to not have a bike stolen in 30 years if you both know how to lock a bike and how thieves operate.
Point taken. But if you don't use good locks and/or don't use them correctly, you invalidity your cover and the insurance cover won't pay out when your bike does get stolen.
@davescfc1 I have two locks: one monster gold-rated for the frame and front wheel, and a much thinner cable to lock the seat (Brooks) and the back wheel. The big lock is a pain the ass to carry, but at least I have my bike.
@LondonCycling Shit, just started watching the vid (I commented while the vid buffered), and not only did I lock my bike up in the exact fashion as the second bike you show, but that is also the same (or similar) Kryptonite D-lock I used.
Good video. I'm amazed at how many decent bikes I see with tiny cable locks on the frame only. I love parking next to these, they add to my security when my bike has both wheels and frame locked with a silver sold secure u lock, sold secure chain using a cisa 75mm shutter padlock. Security skewers on wheels and saddle. The only thing is all this is heavy to carry around and could all be removed in under a minute with a powered angle grinder So location is good try to lock up outside a cafe etc
@wakefordt It's better to use a D-lock and then a different type, such as a cable or chain. Using two kinds of lock means thieves need more tools to break them.
5 seconds? No chance... a good-quality D-lock or heavy chain can take 10-15 minutes to cut through (we know, we've done it) and that time is enough to make most thieves think again.
Good stuff... I might say....Hardly anybody has two locks, or space to carry them. Take the front wheel off and lock it to the back and frame. And er...Don't leave your bike anywhere.
good advice bro! i was lucky that the theif trying to nick my bike wasnt as resourceful as most, i luckily i had a good strong lock on the rear to the frame so he just gave up trying to get into it, slashed my tyres for effect but hey the bike was still there when i got back! second lock is on order!
If somebody wants your bike.. They will take it.. Doesnt matter how good the lock is.... They can break crypton forget about it locks in less than 15 seconds.. Watch Gone In 60 Seconds - The Bike Crime Wave Part 1 on youtube...
i am so flippin angry scared abt saving for a new bike i love bike but 2 of mine got stolen with heavy duty £40 locks its pointless riding cheap bikes i quit
The ABUS wire lock you pointed out at 3:20 is a Gold Secure, double thickness wire lock with armour plating around the wire also to help prevent using clippers.
1:14 Kinda scared me the way he kept slapping that saddle...
hey man you just scratched my bike!? b-( blam! he should have started kicking the bikes for good measure?
RIP Barry Mason, the guy in the video who has just died while on holiday in Spain (5 June 2011). He was involved in a myriad of local environmental and transport campaigns in southeast London and will be greatly missed by all who knew him.
Great advice! One problem though. Around here there are a bunch of the style of bike rack that you slide your wheel into. I really hate those because I can't use my U lock to lock to the frame.
I always carry a U lock and a cable lock. I got the cable lock for when there isn't a bike rack and I have to lock the bike to something the U lock wont fit around. Thanks to this video I will start using both locks when I can. Keep up the good work!
i have 2 realy heavy good chains which can only be cut with a disc cutters, they are heavy and i use ithem when i lock my bike for long periods when i swim or go th the gym, they both have good locks too, because they are quite heavy to carry all the time i leave one on the rack at the pool and one at the gym , if you leave your bike at the same place most of the time just leave the lock too , this wil not put you off carrying a heavy lock or locks with you every where you go ,
around 3:20 he criticises a lock for being a 'rubbish boy racer lock' which looks to me to be an Abus Granit (I could be wrong!)
they're rated 10 on Abus scale and silver on the Sold Secure - so not exactly rubbish! Reason I spotted this is that I have 2 of these - one at work & one at my sports club as they're heavy to carry around. You can clearly see the Abus logo near the keyhole.
Agree there are plenty of locks that look sturdy but are rubbish, but that one has a high rating?
Those "really good locks" he keeps citing are the worst Kryptonite U-locks (i.e., Series 2 ones) you can buy. Yeah, use a U-lock, but use a GOOD one.
I'd rather get insurance than waste hundreds of dollars on two stupid heavy locks that I have to shlepp around like a friggin mountain goat. Golden rated or not. They won't stop a thief if he wants to get your bike.
@castlefox27
You want peace of mind? Buy a used bike that's so cheap you won't sweat it if it's stolen. Unless you're Lance Armstrong you won't know the difference between a $50 bike and a $500 bike anyway.
If I came back to my bike and he was slapping my bike and yanking my locks I'd give him a piece of my mind.
sad thing is there is a vid on u tube called "kryptonite lock mahem". the ny bike lock is not all its cracked up to be.
Why's he hitting the bikes?! Good point, I have 2 locks. And most people have one dlock, come on, adding a second d lock isn't going to be difficult is it?
RIP Barry. You'll be missed sorely. I'm off to buy some proper locks! x
RIP Barry, never met you but watching this I reckon you were a sound bloke.
@LondonCycling I used two typed of lock. My D-lock came with a cable, so I used that to secure the front wheel, and the D-lock to secure the back wheel and frame. Unfortunately, I stupidly locked the bike to the rack using this cable alone, so the thieves cut through the cable and CARRIED the bike away.
This time, I'm buying two D-locks. One solely for securing the bikr frame to the rack, and one to replace the old lock. RIP my 2009 Dawes XC 1.8 :(
Thank you Barry! RIP
i learned my lesson the hard way... two good locks from now on
The lock is worth more than my bike , no worries here.
i dont wanna be lugging around a ton of locks...?
The way he slams on the bikes and get all the fenders out of alignment REALLY irritates me.
I have a chain lock, a 25mm cable lock, and a 3.25 inch D-Lock for my bike. Invincible LOCKKKIIINNNGG
what about the ol' bic pen trick with the circular key hole in the u'locks?
I let the air out of my tires too works good a theif won't steal a bike he can't ride
the lock at 3:20 on the fixie is a Sold Secure gold rated abus granite flex-o-steel yet he calls it "rubbish"
Too bad he dont realize his high rated locks are easily picked lol
Reminds me of Gordon Ramsey
No, quick releases are just that, quick to release. There original design was to allow race bicyclists to replace wheels quickly. Not to stop people from stealing your bike. Really I would just go with a security lock and keep the star key or hex key whatever it uses on your keychain or attached to the key of your bike lock.
this is the saddest bunch of bikers ever, steal a front wheel from one badly locked bike and steal a frame and back wheel from another who only locked their front wheel and you can ride off into the sunset...and make two people cry. I personally never lock only my back wheel and frame since i don't carry a cable. luckily no stolen front wheel yet
I use a motorbike chain lock, not been stolen yet. Haha.
30 years and never had his bike stolen is good claim. But if you put up a sign that says "I bet you can't steal this bike" it WILL be stolen. It's really 30 years of luck of the draw (and good locks obviously). there's no such thing as a perfect/safe lock, we are just doing our best to DETER thieves with locks that may take too much time or effort to open or cut. Give them enough privacy and time locks can be broken. I lock mine in very public/high traffic areas just in case.
@LondonCycling "The big lock is a pain to carry.." If possible, leave the heavier lock at the parking area and carry only one lock. If feasible, leave both lock there.
An even better option, use a Brompton and it's away with you - no chance for the thieves.
3:40 £95?! That's was the price I bought my bike for!
The cable lock Barry calls " a rubbish boy racer lock " at 3 min 22s is actually an Abus granite steel o flex & is sold GOLD secure. I use these locks & have never had a bike stolen. I lost my key last year and it took me a good 2 minutes with an angle grinder to get through my lock. The cable inside the hardened steel shell is at least 15mm in diameter. You should try carrying on around all day Barry.
@davidaluis Your one is a lot better than the broken cheap one he had in his hand but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the steel oflex alone. Use a good u lock as well, save the flex for the front wheel and frame
It's not luck: it's about getting the right lock strength for the value/nickability of your bike, and (as you rightly say) about where and when you leave it. It is easily possible to not have a bike stolen in 30 years if you both know how to lock a bike and how thieves operate.
Point taken. But if you don't use good locks and/or don't use them correctly, you invalidity your cover and the insurance cover won't pay out when your bike does get stolen.
@davescfc1 I have two locks: one monster gold-rated for the frame and front wheel, and a much thinner cable to lock the seat (Brooks) and the back wheel. The big lock is a pain the ass to carry, but at least I have my bike.
@LondonCycling Shit, just started watching the vid (I commented while the vid buffered), and not only did I lock my bike up in the exact fashion as the second bike you show, but that is also the same (or similar) Kryptonite D-lock I used.
Good video. I'm amazed at how many decent bikes I see with tiny cable locks on the frame only. I love parking next to these, they add to my security when my bike has both wheels and frame locked with a silver sold secure u lock, sold secure chain using a cisa 75mm shutter padlock. Security skewers on wheels and saddle. The only thing is all this is heavy to carry around and could all be removed in under a minute with a powered angle grinder
So location is good try to lock up outside a cafe etc
@wakefordt It's better to use a D-lock and then a different type, such as a cable or chain. Using two kinds of lock means thieves need more tools to break them.
I like to lock my bike next to ones that are not secured very well. That way, a thief taking the lowest hanging fruit will pass by mine.
5 seconds? No chance... a good-quality D-lock or heavy chain can take 10-15 minutes to cut through (we know, we've done it) and that time is enough to make most thieves think again.
Good stuff...
I might say....Hardly anybody has two locks, or space to carry them. Take the front wheel off and lock it to the back and frame. And er...Don't leave your bike anywhere.
As much consideration needs to be given to WHAT you are locking your bike to; many posts can be easily removed from the ground.
@totobobomask So thats why I saw loads of Bike locks left around without a bike attached to it lol thats smart!
Just replace your drop bars and add a shopping basket on the front of your bike, you won't even need a lock!
British Hal Ruzal. L.O.L.
/watch?v=6AdugFzCi24&feature=relmfu
Go to around the 5 min mark, they showed getting into £100 locks in about 10 seconds
good advice bro! i was lucky that the theif trying to nick my bike wasnt as resourceful as most, i luckily i had a good strong lock on the rear to the frame so he just gave up trying to get into it, slashed my tyres for effect but hey the bike was still there when i got back!
second lock is on order!
I agree. Important to lock your bike well.
But I bought my bike used for £100 ... seems a bit crazy to spend £95 on a lock...
If somebody wants your bike.. They will take it.. Doesnt matter how good the lock is.... They can break crypton forget about it locks in less than 15 seconds.. Watch Gone In 60 Seconds - The Bike Crime Wave Part 1 on youtube...
@sarahannblackburn spotted exactly the same thing! I have the steel-o-flex 1000 which is Gold Secure, same looking lock
i am so flippin angry scared abt saving for a new bike i love bike but 2 of mine got stolen with heavy duty £40 locks its pointless riding cheap bikes i quit
The ABUS wire lock you pointed out at 3:20 is a Gold Secure, double thickness wire lock with armour plating around the wire also to help prevent using clippers.
What is the point of buying some carbon fibre bike and than locking it with 5kg of locks?
Not only informative, but good training in following a lower/middle class British accent.
Is there a way to stop the quick release levers being vandalised without using safety bolts?
Great vid! I believe the lock at 3.29 is an Abus Granit Steel O Flex, they are pretty good. Not full of air i hope as i use all the time...
I don't disagree with what Barry (RIP) says but the issue there is weight, individually they're heavy so I wouldn't want to be lugging those around.
And that Kryptonite problem was true many years ago, but it certainly isn't now.
what brands or models do you recommend besides NewYork?
what if the object you locked it to is compromised, just happend to me..
part of it is luck. if no thieves decide to steal your bike that is luck
is the master python lock good?
you just witnessed? no interference? SHAME
is the master python lock good?
this was very helpful
This is London's version of Hal Ruzal.
Missing you already mate.
Great Video!
Thanks a bunch.
Lmao, what thief would stand in the middle of a busy street with a angle grinder nicking bikes?
Some peoples comments are idiotic.
SNIP!
@davescfc1 I carry 4 locks.... 1 cable lock, 2 chains with 2 locks and 1 d-lock with a cable....
get a bike that doesn't worth stealing and leave the bike indoors :D
@MrOscar5690 thats how they stole my motorbike, the took the clothspost out the ground.