Ryze's Reworks - Why Riot Gave Up On Him | League of Legends
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- LONG OVERDUE but it's finally here. For this episode of the Rework Retrospective I bring to you Ryze: The Rune Mage!
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Why do I get the feeling that I've seen this video?
That's the third video on ryze, I guess that's why. Vars even mentioned it himself in his last video if I recall correctly
his previous video on ryze was how he would rework him
he reworked the ryze video
because you just watched it?
@@TheClassyRob0t1ryze got reworked so much vars has to rework the video about ryze
I especially love the current version of Ryze, whose E has a 10% chance of not marking a target and Q also having a 10% chance to deal no damage upon hitting a target.
They should add those thrilling surprise mechanics to the other champs as well.😍
Alternate title: The Ryze and fall of rework champion
To make the joke, Ryze would have had a raise in any point of his history... We wouldn't have so many memes if it happened at least once.
@@blue_jesus9252 I mean, Faker did destroy a Worlds by playing Ryze and they couldn't get him off of it in 2015 😂
I know thsi doesn't really matter but i just wanna say i appreciate you using pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky music because thus game's ost is incredibly good
Arata Iiyoshi my GOAT (and Keisuke Ito the other GOAT even though the former composed the specific track)
Ryze really is the poster child of "sometimes a thing thats not consistent isn't bad"
temporal tower as the bg music…vars has great taste as usual !! great vid as usual too
I think the shield was and is vital for his identity. 3.5 ryze with current E and Q should work better as a spammy battle mage
Ryze is blue, Zeri is green, the next rework disaster is going to be a red champion.
aatrox
Naafiri
Good lord you scared me, I thought they would be reworking him again.
I am one of players who joined League around 2020 so I haven't seen much of v3 Ryze. Now he is my favorite champion exactly because of his skills being so much reliant one on another. I wish I could do more fun combos (because I keep hearing what Ryze had been and what he became and it is such a pity).
His point and click dmg and root low range battlemage ií perfectly fine. Especially in these where champions has 53718 dash inside their kit
Ryze was my first champion I've ever made when I used to play. After retiring from league i still get sad seeing the blue man suffer
Always glad to watch THE mandatory Ryze video for this year.
Having said that, perhaps when Ryze get a nice rework I will come back to league for a while. They murdered him when "combos" were removed, like yes, he was bad but also he was fun.
Right now Im enjoying HOTS because there is less damage and the game is more objective oriented, there is no character like the blue boy, but is fun non the less.
Kelthuzad is extremely combo dependent I recommend him
@@Faceless_one_ Hey, have been playing Kel, I kinda suck at landing his skills but it is really fun!
ive said it a million times- give certainly T one last rework to go for. His record with them as far as the champ being fun, having a strong identity, and being well executed is almost unparalleled. if people want to complain, let them. Ryze deserves it at this point
Ryze being simple is not necessarily a bad thing. Keep his current kit the same.
What they should do is give him a real ultimate. Something to do with his runes he loves so much. Maybe place a rune down that buffs all his abilities and gives a bunch of mana regen, but only when around the rune. Or maybe the rune follows him and gives him mana Regen/omnivamp while active. Lean into his more tanky nature. Heck they could even do some crazy stuff like when he ults it "upgrades" his current "rune" to a buffed version. Like super arcane coment or super phase rush, although that seems a bit much.
His ultimate is his number 1 issue, for as long as it exists he will always be balanced around pro play. Fix the ultimate, the rest of the kit is fine compared to todays champs.
I must be crazy did he forget to talk about the ultimates
Version 3 Ryze was an absolute menace. He terrorized mainly top lane and with the new keystone system, him running phase rush, being absurdly tanky and doing too much damage while running insanely fast was a nightmare for us bruiser/tank players.
Assassin ryze was my favorite ryze. Using your ult and assassinating the enemy team in 3 seconds was perfection.
At this point, I wish they would just push back their new champ schedule to give Ryze a completely brand new kit.
I remember when Ryze Ult had the Passiv Effect
Passiv:
Increase Ryze maximum Mana by 75/150/225
Yeahthat was the Passiv Effect a small amount of extra max Mana. This screams old league :D
If I were to rework ryze, I would make him a mage marksman, kind of like brody from the league ripoff game called mobile legends. passive stays the same, but his basic attacks would be his Qs. His new Q is now his E, with some marksman stacking shenanigans. W remains the same. E is now a mini teleport ult, kinda like ezreal's e but longer range, allies can use it in a mini radius, there's also some channeling needed. new ult is a rune nuke, ryze spends all his stacks or mana to unleash a world rune, much more catastrophic than aurelion's ult
I hope that riot reverts ryze to back when he was released
I loved ryzes 2nd version, turning an enemies wave advantage into a deathtrap for them due to how R and E worked, they should either revert him to version 2 so hes fun again, or remove Realm warp that basicaly kneecaps his entire balancing due to being too good in pro play and give him something like desperate power instead
I think if they can alter his ultimate to not teleport, but instead be an aoe buff that gives him a shield (like his old passive) and then they can adjust his numbers as needed. Not sure if this would broken but at least it would be leaned more towards solo queue rather than pro play.
13:03 missed opportunity of adding it to the info card
Was not expecting a DBZA inclusion :D
It's a weird case tbh, his second rework was nice quite unique since it meant that once you mastered the timing and combo you could do a lot. The 3.5 version has a similar feeling but something is missing. I think one of the main issues is that despite the changes so he uses his q after the rest of his abilities, still feels like after doing that rotation one time, there is not much else for you to do than waiting or do E-Q over and over. I think some mix of the last 2 versions would be great.
His E interactions are good in my opinion, I would bring back the spread on double E to make sure he has more combos.
Then I would bring 2.0 passive but with both a cooldown on activation and some way for you to both activate it manually, to avoid situations like with Annie and Kled where nobody gets close to you on passive. If not, maybe so each time he hits Q he gets one second less on W and E, that way he has reasons to try do more than just one combo and use as more Qs as possible but without making him unkillable.
Tho I can't deny I don't know what to do with the shield passive apart from taking it out. I like his new E-W interaction but it makes it to safe for him to just do E-W and get a shield plus damage all the time, specially on lane.
I would bring back his 2.0 R, maybe one or two adjustments, but I like the idea of an empowerment ult that lets him go full crazy.
Of course I haven't played him in a while as I did before, and I don't fully recall well his 2.0 version, nor I'm high elo. But I think it could help him have some similarities with his old kit while keeping the high ceiling of today.
I think it would be awesome if they took away his utility and put that power budget into unqiue interactions and combos based out of the rune system. For example, certain combo would trigger electro, phase rush, PTA/conqueror, and first strike effects.
this man can't catch a break
Wether or not he is strong, OP or whatever, i feel like this kind of "combo-oriented" playstyle ist missing in League. Sure you have Syndra with her stun combo, but that´s pretty much it. How the game developed i don´t think Ryze in his current state will ever be as viable as other top-tier mages, just because he isn´t a burst mage, or should i say needs to long to blow up the enemy. In my oppinion really a shame.
I don't like realm warp for him. It's odd, to me atleast.
And someone suggested Hwei's kit for him makes sense, or something similar to it.
I agree, but I like the idea of kits like jayce,karma to be what they could do for him and make his R and passive sources/switches for his other spells to expand the kit.
Hwei is what Ryze should've been imo. Part of me still hopes Riot will take him in the direction of being a combo mage in a similar way but with more focus on damage and survivability than team utility.
No joke he should be reworked again.
Mmmm, yes
Reworked video about Ryze
I've seen the videos. I've seen the subreddit, before. I'm just curious. Are they still tanking for the Cause?
You should prob. Add the other vid you mentioned to the description
Version 3 ryze was suffering from success, poor guy i loved that version, they should retourn it, doesnt matter he would have 35% winrate, give him personality for fck sake and make him fun to play at least for those 10 people still playing him xd
I have played only the current version of Ryze, he's one of my most played champions.
I like the satisfaction from reaching a point of easy wave clear, he has an utility ult (my favourite kind) but besides that, I'm here for his personality. He's so done with everything, and it's 100% justified.
Hwei should have been Ryze's rework but instead of Art and Paint it should have been Runes related.
can somebody please tell me the name of the song in the video?
I really miss the bouncing ball xD
Nah but what they did to ASol is criminal
like anything else, it's for money. they want to patch the game up secondarily, mainly they want to sell skins.
true because no money = no game but this comment shouldve been on a video about a character that hasnt gotten patched and reworked 7 million times
What will they do? Rework visually a bald blue megamind knock off?
How can you make this sell skins@@Dalauan_Sparrow
dragon ball z abridged mentioned !!!!!!
Ryze got tons of reworks. I wonder if any champion will have this amount of reworks because Riot designs champions very well, right ? RIGHT ? *Looks at Swain*
Sadge
The good Ole college try
Still waiting vid about Lulu the most Versatile champion and her downfall after season 11 where is no longer playable on mid/top due to this 'pathetic durability update'
A video titled Ryze Rework? Which one….
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Vars not understanding champion , nothing new
So what I'm getting at here, what the main issue of Ryze is, is that Riot gave him too much Power Budget sperad over a large area. He has damage, AoE, CC, and has good scaling, which indirectly made him tanky as well. And instead changeing Ryze to focuse/give up on certain aspects of his kit, Riot instead just tweaked the numbers on his abilities, making him shittier to play without solving the core issue with his kit which is his Power Budget spread. Riot wants him to have everything, but also wants him to be balanced, and that's something you can't really have in a PvP game.
No need rework on ryze all the time.
How about rework yasou instead
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Says well designed reworks
Shows poppy
and whats your problem with poppy tony stark
@@Dalauan_Sparrow he plays a champ with dashes probably
@@Dalauan_Sparrow I like poppy in her current iteration, gives her a specific role to cover (although I detest the lethality build). I've always prefered the tank build, but that's on anyone's taste.
However I miss the cancer poppy used to be with her old passive and great ult. I'd have a blast charging in, ulting the adc or the support and going to town on the adc while being inmune to all. And since most didn't play her they didn't know why they couldn't take her down in a burst. Those were good days and plays XD
There are wayyyy better contenders for good reworks, look at voli, ww, fiddle, udyr and more, poppy is just average.
Ps: I play fill I dont really have a spicific champ that gets countered by poppys w.
@@annaadotd6405 well the one's you've mentioned did have significant play before their rework, something poppy never really had, so going from shit to average was a mayor update. However as poppy's w was the first grounding-like effect that was implemented I think it's kind of aged badly in general. First being the only ap ability she's got, meaning the damage from an impact is pretty much negligible. The cc is pretty insignificant and situational (I know, she's supposed to be a warden and thus reactive). But w most of the time would be used as a gap closer to use e or reach the fight in time since her normal build will have low speed add ons (even though has one of the highest base move speeds save for pantheon).
In general her kit is "decent" but it's become more inclined to be either an off tank support, or early assassin jungle. And if you fail to take off as assassin you're relegated to being a meat shield otherwise you scale off very quickly.
I would love for rito to update the effects of her w with either providing a scaling duration (for grounding effect) based on health for example, fomenting a tankier build to increase either duration in effect or cc. While I admit this will probably break something, it would interesting to see some changes to that specific ability.
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Crazy?. I was crazy once. They locked me in a subreddit once. A ryze main subreddit! A ryze main subreddit with arkham asylum copypastas, and arkham asylum copypastas make me crazy.
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Crazy?. I was crazy once. They locked me in a subreddit once. A ryze main subreddit! A ryze main subreddit with arkham asylum copypastas, and arkham asylum copypastas make me crazy.
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Ryze is Blue.
Dabade dabadie
i drink blue paint every day to get closer to my lord and saviour ryze christ
@@dynhoywchryzed
Yes
I used to LOVE ryze, he was the champion I could always think of how to play better on next play, could analyze why I should've used one combo instead of another, if I should've stayed close or kited, if I should've stopped an enemy or gunned another... He was so diverse and had such rich skill expression, that even loosing on him was mostly fun, because it was like a fast paced puzzle in the middle of the action. Now it just... I don't know. I don't find him fun anymore. He is still cool, but... Unless I need to stop a vayne top, I don't see a reason to use him, you just get bullied until you can fight back and then you mash without thought.
100% agree. Learning and getting better on 3.0 Ryze was one of the most rewarding learning experiences of any champion I've picked up in League
Once u get 3 items he still feels like this imo. Getting there is painful though.
@@Siigrit Nah, you don't really get to "puzzle" your way through a fight, at most you choose if you use e+w or e+q while spamming.
Yeah you don't have to think about your combos too much anymore. It used to be like
"I wanna kite this enemy to death so I'll q, e, q, e, w, q, e, q to get some damage off before getting my shield"
Or
"I'm fighting multiple enemies so I need to mitigate some burst while nuking both of them so I'll q, e, e, q, e, w, q, e, e q."
which I guess some combos like this still exist but it definitely doesn't feel the same. I think it's because there is no point in Ryze double casting e anymore so he lost a big part of his combo game and he feels worse for it.
His combo abilities (like when he able to gain shield at certain combo) was cool, like hwei
Except beyond "press diffrent buttons" it's nothing like Hwei?
Ryze q, w, and e had their effects. Q did damage, w did damage and cc'ed, e marked a target for increased effects(q did more damage and hit all connected marked targets, w cc'ed for longer). Using multiple other abilities before q gave ms and a shield. The interconnectedness flowed as each spell controlled what you could do next.
Hwei uses different button presses to access disparate effects with completely different use cases, with there being no "base" effect being worked off of or modified. Any one spell only locks out the other options tied to that cooldown in particular.
The only thing they shared was "multiple button presses for an effect" but Ryze was, and always has been, a machine gun mage focused on DPS.
Hwei has a more measured tempo, either doing a burst with some downtime or a slow rollout of spells to control an area.
I hope one day Riot gives Ryze a last rework
this is good! I agree, desparate power needs 2 returned !!! many people are saying this!! thank you and much love - ryzeking33
It's very depressing how essentially the main character of League is so bad :/
just asking but weren't you planning to talk about the old and new R/Ultimate ability? i feel like you forgot about them
My friend loves ryze, but has had to abandon him. Simply because nothing about him feels good anymore. He loves to point out that Ryze was too much of a pro play champ, so they gave him an ultimate that is only ever useful in coordinated play. He now plays Urgot or Swain. He still pulls out the ryze, but very rarely.
Honestly, Hweis kit should have been Ryzes. Just him using a fraction of the runes or something
Yes but that would throw his well known identity of being a dps mage out of the window . It would be another aatrox/skarner
@@crazyman7504 true, let Ryze be what he is now. He need only partial revert to his previous iteration.
Ryze mains actually insisted Hweis kit was inspired by a Ryze rework suggestion.
The rework suggestion was a buffed current kit with ~9 different ults each with seperate cooldowns.
It was dumb.
I love the current ryze. pumping out the maximum amount of damage with the optimal combo (dependent on your ability haste) is very satisfying. Too bad his ult is 3 minutes long, and i barely get to use it.
bring back old ryze
the shield version with the non auto spread E was the best version of this champ, ofc riot had to make him silver proof and took away a really fun and rewarding champs from the rest of us
I swear, like every RUclipsr I watch just uses NIntendo music tracks that I loved from my teenage years XD
Temporal Tower, Somnom Woods, etc. Just banger after banger.
what you think about this for a rework
pass: 20% max mana becomes AP & HP, 20% AP becomes mana
Q: range 900-600 deals dmg, 600-300 +50+20%ap gain ms. 300-0 +50+20%ap gain shield
W: range 900-600 deals dmg an slow, range 600-300 root instead +50+20%ap, range 300-0 aoe root for 2 sec+50+20%ap.
E: range 900-600 deals aoe dmg, 600-300 +bounces 5 times, 300-0 +1 per 100 ap and reduces mr.
R: warp, recast for instant, for 6 sec+1 per 100 ap gain 15/20/25% (+1 per 100 ap)spell vamp, 10/20/30 (+1 per 100 ap) ability haste, when use ability other ability cd reduced by 1 sec. abilities gain 10/20/30%+1 per 100ap dmg.
Honestly Old Ryze was fun as a face roll champ even when weak. Sometimes it's fun to just play a ooga booga champion where you smash the keyboard and machinegun things happen. Instead of having to play a high APM very deliberate actions champ. It's why I will cry on the day they heavily rework Malphite or Nasus.
Then second Ryze I honestly thought was very cool because he was like a fighting game character. Had depths and very cool interesting tricks in there and you had to be good to really get value out of him. Which was why he dominated pro play.
Current State of Ryze doesn't really fulfill either playstyle now. You have a pretty meh machine gun with an ultimate that just kind of... doesn't fit the run and gun playstyle. But also has no depth or real utility that he can take advantage of solo. Zeri is quite literally Old Ryze done better. Has some machine gun casting. But then presses her ult to RUN AND GUN. If literally any champ with some dashes or speed come into contact with Ryze. He only has the Rune prison to hold them for a moment. Then after that Ryze just kind of... slowly saunters at them. Especially if he doesn't have ghost.
Either give Ryze something similar to his old ulti back. Or get creative with him and do something like make Rune Prison his ultimate. And it's something like Morde's ulti but maybe with more players able to be pulled into it. Then make his W the old bouncy ball. And when the ball bounces to targets marked by his E it slows them a bit.
Like just make the champ feel fun to push the buttons on but require a smidge of thought and all of the buttons feel like they should go together.
To you that read all that rambling. Thank you and I hope you have a nice day.
Swain is the new Ryze tho
I really liked Ryze when he had the MS and Shield rune on his Q because since he’s relatively short range battlemage, that open up opportunities to walk up and brawl with enemies. What i never understood is his ultimate. Why a Support ultimate on a Hypercarry mage ?
because qwe had enough dmg already, so they gave him Realm Warp, and it goes well with his lore of nomad mage, who just jumps around places. Giving another steroid like previous reworks had would be boring
Remember the good ol times playing bruiser pirate ryze top
I like how even to this day, people still regard Ryze as a late game champion, when in reality if you are on even item(3 or 6), there is no way you can split push or team fight against some of the most popular champions, and most of them are laning against you from the start.
The only way Ryze can contribute is to farm up quickly using your “unique” kit, try to get an item lead and finish the game before enemy team can catch up.
I want old point-and-click Ryze to come back.
As a former ryze main i would like him to be better lol
Ryze should have moves like Aphelios.
Love ogs ryze spell sfx after he ulted
When a champion's kit, or part of it, is a problem
both Riot AND the players needs to accept the fact that it needs to change
EVEN if it's part of "the champion's identity" -.-
I guess the part about stealing shields of Zeri's kit was indeed a massive problem...
Hweis being in the game shows that riot are hypocrites, not to mention how awful riot has become at making champions look unique and cool. his visual design and lore is literally garbage compared to ryze.
Unfortunately. Bald blue guy doesn't sell skins as white emo twink artist.
Once people figure out balance is mostly about which champ sells more skins, the pain goes away
Had some crazy fun with the first iteration of Ryze, where his E bounce had a bug that would instakill enemies that are directly ontop of eachother (same with Fiddle E)
They took most bouncing abilities away cause it's too rng. Same with Fiddlesticks. It's pretty apparent how unbalancable those type of skill is. Just look at Brand.
Reasons behind reworks...
1. Make money by selling more of the existing SKins
2. Remove an old unfair Design Champions from the Game (Yorick, Poppy)
3. Try to increase the playerbase of that champion
4. ...
5. Profit
The last 2 are something like Aurelion sols first rework. Where it didn't fixed any problems, and just pushed his Mains away.
This might seem weird given his design but you could probably turn Ryze into a ap or mana dps juggernaut, this would let them keep most of his kit except the ult and the W would probably have to be a skill shot since a point and click root on a juggernaut is kind of stupid but it would probably suit his close range gameplay with no dashes.
Wich rework are we talking about?
Im more annoying riot dosen't reboot the lore again after all the continuous complaints after complaints for how riot handled sylas's story
Yo, listen up here's a story
About a rune mage
That lives in a rune world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees is just runes
Like him inside and outside...
the problem is the stupid ult, they should rework this as a selfish skill again and change his overall numbers considerably
Bring back old point and click Ryze and Twisted Treeline and I’ll be happy.
I see you with the PMD music in the background
Good choice of music.
Great video also your editor is super cool and not at all strange
12:39 Wait. Homie just HAS Infinity Edge on his back?! 😂😂😂 Are there any weapon lore videos? One breaking down.. well, the lore of each item and it's components? Like, I know Black Cleaver is Darius' axe, Dead Man's, is Graves' armor (I think), but where does oblivion orb come from? Why does it do what it does? Who's heart, is Heartsteel? So many questionss
Maybe this is just me but:
I think League needs to just suck it up and make dedicated APCs that play in the bot lane. Its hard due to the whole gimmick being spell casting, which makes them hard to NOT go Midlane, but I think there's a way. I always thought it was weird champions like Azir, Cassiopiea, Ryze, or Ziggs weren't natural picks for bot lane. They all have a very similar niche among spellcasters being late game beasts. I think they tried with Hwei, but now we really need to just bite the bullet and change their scalings to really enforce a dual reliance on Support.
Just picked up Ryze the other day. Always found him bland and boring, but now I have 30 games on him over a week. I learned very quickly that you eventually deal upwards of 1.5k damage with just three items and no matter how bad your lane gets, eventually you can one shot anyone with essentially just point and click. Sleeper champ.
Poppy then: a bruiser with the single best ultimate in the game, but lacked the ability to block dashes, so she was essentially useless without her braindead ultimate. This means that in the current meta of 9999x more CC than in the past, this statchecker version will be weak, possibly even unplayable. She is worse designed than the rework, though.
Poppy now: a tank with immense %health damage, has the best anti-dash kit in the game, frontline privilege, and one of the most reliable ultimates in the game either short cast or long cast, both of which can be completely gamebreaking if used correctly. For reference, if Poppy hits her ultimate against an enemy team coming to contest and steal baron, she would single-handedly secure it because at least someone will go packing. I struggle to see how such a broken champ as reworked Poppy is one of the best designed.