Reading the HotD Source Material p1- House of the Dragon Season 2 - Fire and Blood
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2023
- House of the Dragon is adapted from Fire & Blood, so @greywastetim and I will read the first chunk of what will become season 2 and discuss how it could translate to the screen!
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title image uses "Daemon Targaryen and Caraxes" by Rui Gonçalves 
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Honestly the technical difficulties are better on the rewatch 😂
Speaking of nerdy pets, I was recently adopted by a stray cat that was roaming my neighborhood...she walked into my house and wouldn't leave, so I feed her and she sleeps with me now, she is an all black kitty with yellow eyes, and her name is now Rhaenyra the black queen
30:02 I just wanted to point that Criston Cole does place the crown on Aegon’s head. If you rewatch the scene: the septon hands the crown to Criston, we see him approach Aegon, who is knelt, and then there’s a close-up shot of the crown being placed on Aegon’s head. I think because Criston isn’t in the same shot as the one in which Aegon is crowned, the memory of it being him doesn’t stick, particularly because the septon and Otto speak so clearly.
Great stream! Regarding the discussion of Aemond/Helaena near the end I think it is a better story for them not to be together BECAUSE they are clearly a much better match than Aegon and Helaena. For medieval nobles it’s rare to end up with someone they’re actually suited to.
Also Aemond might not be a “better person” but he is absolutely a better person for Helaena. Sure he commits attrocties, but he cares about his sister.
Here's hoping for Nettles in season 2! 🐉🐉🐉
I'm here as part of the re-watch crew. Just missed it live. The hilarity is worth the watch!
"The only magic the maesters believe in is magic associated with vaginas." 🤣 You're killing me Dave! 🤣
that was an all time banger imo hahaha
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p.s. - i was late today and the first 20 minutes were just as hilarious on the rewatch
I've said it before & I'll say it again, these streams are a perfect way to spend an afternoon. These read alongs are my favorite, I always learn something new. Thank you guys!
😂"Crab People!!!" That sent me.
Bahaha I LOVE the technical difficulties in the rewatch. I started the stream last night around 830 so I saw it all, but noticed this am that the section is gone. People who get mad at technical difficulties should probably just hush and ff
it's one of those things where it's funny if you already know me and like me as a host, but a lot of people just click a video and don't give a crap about all that and just ant the content. it was a full 22 min so I really had to chop it. But thank you it was insanely hilarious after a fashion
Great stream guys! Rewatching the blooper reel before you take it down lol. Blood and cheese is gonna be tough
3 heads of the (david)dragon lol 😂😂😂
I think everyone is rewatching the blooper reel😂😂😂❤. It was so good.
I do love the idea of: "Industra - Dragons" big stompy ones for paving, little ones for welding...
The jokes during the first 20 minutes are priceless! Please don't edit it out! And beyond that, an excellent exposition on HotD season 2!
It was kinda epic lol. There is some great discussion further in. I can't stop speculating about s2 now that I've finished the book
@@ThommyofThenn This is the home of speculation and this is our Mthyfam.
it's gone my friend, it was a special moment just for us
@@KimberLefaye this is our Citadel just more egalitatian and not suppressing information
@@DavidLightbringer glad I rewatched it fast lol
Don't give up during the technical difficulties. It's gets better after a bit
If Larys is Daemon's contact in the green council then the horrific brutality of Blood & Cheese might be his instructions in order to escalate the conflict even more, paralleling Littlefinger.
the triple dave is just as funny on the rewatch as it was live. I love this channel 🤣🤣
Ha the cat the Arya chased in the books in the red keep is a descendant of the cats brought in after they killed the rat catchers lol
Love the wild dragons! Grey Ghost is my favourite. Loner recluse who avoids people... Yeah I feel that.
And the name recalls Ghost and Grey Wind - Robb's direwolf whose name describes a result of the comet impact - and also reminds us of the shadow birthed to kill Renly.
Love the Sunday stream with Tim 👍🏽 great work fellas, love winding down from a long day of football with some GOT talk
I think balerion came back from his trip to the doom infected with dragon parasites (the same one that kill Princess Aerea Targaryen, as they aren't intended to be human parasites and kill the host). That's why he was so weak and grounded in his old age, and maybe he had a pre-mature death and dragons could live even longer. He was never the same after returning from that trip.
Princess Alyssa thought Balerion healed up just fine. Jaehaerys doesn’t seem to think Balerion was suffering from any parasites. And probably princess Saera too. And none of them call Balerion old and slow. Only the dragonkeepers say that about Balerion. Not the people who actually owned Balerion.
Just a random thing. There was a native american, chippewa man, known as John Smith, who lived to be 137 years old.
His eyes looked super youthful, but his skin was so wrinkled that his skin made his face look like the bark of a tree. So, the face of an old person is like a parallel to faces in the weirwood. I just thought this was super cool.
😂 The "Snee Snake" sounds like something from Dr Seuss. I love it! 🤣
Tim's is a mic of Ice and Fire
Tim's hotness is what started it all 🔥 😉. (mic)
lol you two are too much
idk if it would actually happen but i wouldn't be mad if Jace had a thing with both Cregan Stark and Sara Snow....not unlike how Rhaegar had both Elia and Lyanna 👀👀
could be weird but i LIKE it. Edit: and by weird I meant the age difference they seem to have.
I really doubt they’d do it, but I want that so much
Glad they won't do that after showing us Jace is a guy of honor and decipline plus him being friend with Cregan stark fits better than being lover
I'm glad I watched this live and could witness the three heads of LML 😂
i cant stop watching this channel, dont agree with some things but overall the discussions are on point, love this channel
Best Sunday streams!!
44:03 did anyone interpret the loaded line Tim just read as a (somewhat) parallel to Craster offering babies to the Weirwoods / Others?
Lol yep yep!! Me too! ❤
Always love these read alongside with you too. Thanks guys!
I love y’all’s readings so much!
Another great stream. Thanks!
Missed the live but loved the rewatch! So many talking points I loved!
So glad you ended when you did. This is as far as I've read in F&B so far
Awesome reading. Thanks guys.
Thanks for keeping 'em coming : )
Offering to the algorithm gods. Thanks for another fun stream!
25:20 That's a badass piece of art!
Great livestream guys!
Looking forward to watching, as I look forward to all of your content ❤️🔥 just leaving a libation for the algorithm gods
Love watching thank you
I thought Christian Cole did place the crown on Aegons head.
1:43:33 Pink Bird and Black Cat
keep em cominggg
Excited/dreading to see Blood and Cheese in the show!
Great stream.
Great stream so far guys. I am just watching on the rewatch. Why do you think they were unable to hatch dragons after the dance? Do you think the mages etc who Knew the magic all died?
I just realized Naerys, Aemon, and Aegon IV remind me of Guinevere, Lancelot, and King Arthur, which I think is very cool and interesting
David lighbtbringer is the hunan torch that points in the direction of all your creativity.
Dave, give me a bass bpm. Whenever you see this.
one-four-tay baby
He has 100 fewer pages than a year ago!
Maybe Helaena will become full oracle after the tragedy. I wonder if the conspiracy theory of her children being Aemond's will be true. Maybe she picks little Maelor because he is the only real Aegon's son? Anyway, its going to be horrific 😢
Skip to 23:40 on the rewatch if you'd like to be gaslit by the maesters (skip the troubleshooting)
haha thanks I already edited it out
I dont know why they changed the look of the Conqueror crown 👑
15:00 CGI is expensive, so maybe they won't show Jaehaera and Jaehaerys' baby dragons. But, especially considering B+C, it perhaps highlights the dragons' vulnerability early.
or 13:57 even
In the books the Sea Snakes says it'd be dumb to burn Kingslanding to the ground, as they want to rule it
The show: "whoops, my wive killed hundreds of smallfolk, no biggie"
I love your hair
Lol aegon II has Tegredity lol! Tegredity Farm.
Sorry couldn't help myself, was at the last few min of stream and that whole aegons integrity convo ... 😂😂😂😅😅😊😊 couldn't stop it! Lol!
I keep missing the lives
The thing that makes me wonder if there was supposed to be a hint about aemond and helaena (though tbf i dont think it natters, maybe he was more intense in the war cause his kid happened to die but ehhh?) Is that it rhymes with later historical events.
Like, there was a huge rumor that Aemon the dragonknight was banging the mistreated and neglected sister wife of Aegon the 4. You could kiiiinda see an aemond/ helaena affair as a darker version of that i guess? Difference is these kids dont live long enough to jnspire anything like the blackfire rebellions.
We need nettles in season 2 and nettles back in the stream for season 2 ❤
Loved it ❤❤❤👕👕
I wonder if we are going to see Aemond feel guilty after blood and cheese, seeing as how he didn't premeditate killing Lucerys (and maybe regret the act?). Futhermore but not necessarily, it would make it more dramatic if the child was his and not Aegon (even though I am leaning on him and Healena not having an affair (maybe if we got some more hint, along with the scene with the children actors at the funeral of Laena, when they are adults I would believe it tobbe more probable...), but probably the grief of your neview dying is close enough (and sufficient to feel guilty) to that of your child dying.
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2:17:25 QnA
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Did GRRM say that House of the Dragon is the definitive history of the Dance of the Dragons?
I'd also like to see this answer. I dont think any of it is 100% definitive, especially how it's 'written' by 3rd parties who are using multiple sources from even more unreliable writers. The show could say "this is the way it happened because this is what we're showing you," but I think that would detract from the whole "choose your own adventure" style that made the book so fun. But at the same time, it would be really nice to know for a fact who's alive/dead or who really did what etc. Great question
so no he has said specifically that it is not that. he said that he wrote fire and blood without deciding which thing was true, and that the TV show would decide for itself, but that would not be intended to be the reveal of the truth of anything in F&B.
@@DavidLightbringer Thanks! Over on another channel, I've heard HOT-D is the definitive version. I'll have to listen to see if they say it again! Do you have a source (e.g., an interview)?
ps: Since you take the time to answer comments, I've joined the channel. Keep up the great content!
it's from at least one GRRM interview, I think the one with History of Westeros. and thank you!
Dave’s output is extremly quiet, I hear Tim just fine but at moments it’s realy hard to hear Dave’s side. Just a constructive point. Love you guys!
Who's Stormcloud ive not heard of this dragon
43:05 nether lips
PLEASE David or someone else please answer or address this for me because it just dawned on me. I’m under the impression that we assume that the velaryons weren’t dragon riders in Valyria and do not have the blood of the dragon. Going off of that logic, Leena and Laenor are dragon riders thanks to their mother Rhaneys’ blood. So with that being said, how the HELL is Addam Velaryon a dragon rider if Corlys is his father? Wouldn’t it HAVE to be Laenor?
so I think that even though the Velaryons never possessed dragons, anyone of Valyrian descent may be able to bond with dragons. What matters is if you have that lizard DNA, and I suspect all Valyrians do. Which families controlled the dragons was partly a political power issue.
@@DavidLightbringer makes sense. I thought of that possibility and figured it’s more likely that any Valyrian has the potential to ride dragons and the Velaryon bastards being corlys’ was valid. Thought I might’ve found a potential plot hole haha. But that begs the question that if any Valyrian descendant has the potential to ride, what is it that stopped those that failed to do so? Especially considering that most if not all the failures are by non-Targaryens. And also as I’m typing I’m reminded of the fact that someone in the book dance rides the dragon of another. Although it was briefly and the dragon belonged to a parent. Maybe it being the parent’s is why they were able to attempt and initially succeed. The science behind the lizards and their dna is so intricate
Lady Valaena (Visenya, Aegon, and Rhaenys’s mom) was half Targaryen on her mother’s side. So that’s probably how Corlys has Targaryen blood. I do believe Addam and Alyn were Laenor’s sons though.
And I do believe Laena is a dragon rider b/c of Corlys not Rhaenys.
When archmaester Gyldayn makes the dragon size comparisons could he not be referring to mass? I mean if you got different types of dragons now it only makes sense to do the comparison using mass. Caraxes should be longer than Vermithor but Vermithor is bigger than Caraxes. I understand that just fine. You’re not using the source material to disprove my analysis! At what point in the books is it mentioned that dragons experience these growth spurts? It says Vermax, Arrax, and Tyraxes were thriving and growing larger every year. That sounds like constant growth to me. And in that analysis I proved the dragonpit was not affecting the dragons growth rates. And I clearly have pointed out that the dragons do grow at different rates. How is my logic via the information given by archmaester Gyldayn off?
GTA VI finally announced, so just waiting for Winds and ES VI! 😅 let the drought end!
Very encouraging! I don't play the newer gta games but I'm excited for TES. I just hope I'm still interested in video games when im 40!
@@ThommyofThenn TES is tied with ASOIF for my loves!! I hope I live to see the next game 😂
**wears tinhat** Maybe Sara Snow is just Cregan Stark’s alter ego 🤷🏻♀️
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Forrest Gump will have a hard time claiming ip on the name given that in the first opening narration they say he is named after historical general Nathan bedford Forrest who incidentally was a terrible human being
To be clear you can’t copyright claim historical figures from the civil war
hahah I was so confused for a minute
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Pass the sentience.l.Swing he sword
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Do you accept fan mail Lml? I came across these old paperback scifi zines, circa 70s and 80s , and GRRM has writings and short stories in alot of them one being a old version of night flyers.. im holding onto a couple of them myself but i think they may be up your alley and i was wondering if I could send them to you?. I thought they were cool Analog is the name of the zine.
As always thank you for all you do i think i have praised Garth with you and reading Rhegar more then any other podcast, band, audiobook or anything like that you have given me hundreds if not thousands of hours of good times and theories and watching you grow from base theories from the westeros forums to symbolism rants that sound like a foreign language to theories base off of the symbolism now that youve crackrd the code to emmy award winning nimble dick impression lol.. Also find it cool that you can still figure out grrm and his Lovecraft symbolism when you havent even really read loveceaft much. You and grey waste tim collabs are always informative as well giving ot the LmL quinn day vibes.. cheers comrade I appreciate all you do.
I always take it as a compliment when they say rhae was fat and not beautiful. This means she cannot use her body like cersei, margarey to make men do her bidding.
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Tea ☕ latte 😸
@@anorangetabby thank you for reminder. And for you, yerba mate chai..
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