I guess... you get what you pay for. The seller knows what they have and price them accordingly. Currently I'm on the hunt for soviet tubes as well, but I'll have them tested by the seller and also re-tested by a mate to ensure a good tone.
I read the 6n3c tubes might not handle much and red plate easily in high gain amps, then i found there is a 6n3c-e varient thats the extra life military graded version that can apparently take a lot more and has a rating of 2500-5000 hrs. theyre nearly identical to the sovtek 5881/6l6wgc tubes with the thin wafer base, ive even seen nos sovteks that are relabeled over the old markings lol and ive seen the 6n3c relabeled as groove tubes and all sorts of names. I got some of the 6n3c-e and they sound pretty good and no red plating yet! Check em out while theyre still cheap Also fyi you can use google translater with images to help translate those old russian datasheets ;)
Oh yeah, they aren't has high wattage, or high voltage for that matter, so you have to be careful. I personally have had good results with them, biasing based on 20 watts. That and I mostly run my amp at lower volumes. We had set a buddie up with a 4 set in his JCM900 at one point, and they did go red plate, but that's half cause the match was poor on this set and a sketchier tube ran away. I put 2 into an old traynor, that I think was only 420-440v and they were fine, cranked all the way up too. That set was a much better match also. Seems matching is important. I'm pretty sure at one point some of these tubes and Sovtek are the exact same thing. One of the factories that makes these tubes. Reflector I think, I could be wrong, was the factory that made Sovtek back in the day. So those short place 5881's are the same tube relabeled. Also some of these preamp tubes, you can tell are pretty much the same thing and modern sovtek, just pinned differently. | Yeah, I have used google translate to do that.
Hey man! Awesome video :) one question; did you had to change heater voltage inside the amp before puting those 6N2P into the "adapter sockets" or does that socket convert 12 volts into 6 volts? Thanks for the answer!
Ah no, as long as your amp uses standard 6v wiring, the adapters to the work for you. However, you kind of need to make sure your amp uses standard 6v wiring. I've noticed many newer amps can use 12v, and even 24v heater supplies. We tried these adapters on one of my buddies amps, I forget which one, it almost went thermal nuclear. Bugera I've noticed likes to use 24v heaters, with 2 tubes wires 12v in series.
@@DATT Im using Bogner Alchemist and so far what I figured out is that I have 6.3.v heaters! Awesome, will order those adapter sockets, already have 10x 6n2p-ev NOS home that Ive picked up in a tube lot last year..and order some other variants on the web :) cant wait to go down that rabbit hole hehe. ..I have quite a few vintage NOS 12ax7's but I would like to run em on budget and not feeling like I have to spare them and be careful everytime :) also have 6n1p and 6n6p's at home aswell. This is gonna be interesting:) thanks for your answer!
@@MartyFavento I have a Alchemist service schematic, yeah, looks like you're good, standard heater wiring. In fact, it seem they are all AC heaters even. Usually in a high gain amp, at least the first preamp tube is DC heaters. The 6n2p-ev were decent. They look just like sovtek WA's. Well, they kind of are, kind of. These tubes were the same family, and in some cases the same factory at sovtek once upon a time. I tend to avoid NOS tubes, which ironically, these are. I also played with 6n1p and 6n6p, but I guess I mentioned that in the video already. The 1p's were good for phase inverters.
@@DATT awesome! Now im even more excited and certain this will work out :) thank you big time for your info! Btw, I saw you using 6P3S as power tube in this vid. I've been using for the past year 6P3S-E (coin base version) also a higher spec tube. And it sounds rich, full bodied, dynamic and strong in low end. I think you might like em way better then standard 6P3S you have. Didnt tried those particular ones you have but heard many times that 6P3S-E version is way more musical. It needed like 20ish hours to burn in so to speak..it sounded really glassy and stiff right off the bat..But eventually it opened and all the characteristics that were mentioned before came out :) I understand what you mean that you prefer new tubes cause of availability...im a vintage tube freak myself..I have all the good stuff( Philips, Telefunken,Mullard, Tungsram etc) and to me sounds so superior to new made stuff that I cant go back using modern.. btw, I also liked JJ Ecc803s in modern choiche..and since you like low end like myself you should try JJ E83CC frame grid tube..this one really sounds fat and full of smooth mids, I prefered 803s before I tried this one :)
@@MartyFavento Oh yeah, the -E, it's a short base 5881 that was sold under the sovtek brand for years. I've tried a set once, they seemed pretty good. The non -e once I got were for the lols, and cause their design reminded me of an old shugang 6L6 tube set I have that have an interesting sound. The non -e's can brighten up a dark amp a bit. I've used the 803's and 83CC's also, have a set. I like the 803's in my crate and 800 too I think. The 83CC's are in V2 and V3 of my Jet City head. You think the 83CC is fatter and smoother than the 803s ? Hmm, Maybe, I liked the 803's cause they were dark and could tame a bright harsh amp. But I guess that doesn't equate to fat and smooth. One thought that comes to mind, is to mention I almost never like the same tube in my Pi position that I like in my preamp/gain positions. Can't remember the last time I tried 803's or 83CC's in the Pi position.
You can use android phones to translate those data sheets. Also, check out the switching circuit you can add to preamp heaters so that you can use 12ax7 or 6n2p-ev. Essy peazy. Spdt switch is all you need.
Yeah, you know, I actually did make a vid about it, just haven't edited it yet. The results were that great, and I felt I needed to do another follow up vid that I never got around too. I'm bound to edit it eventually
Попробуй потом еще протестировать, 6п6с если найдешь, это оч близкий родственник 6V6. А есть ещё 6п3с-е они производились для военной промышленности, похоже на современные 6L6GC по виду, но срок службы в несколько раз больше. У нас DIY сообщество много собирают на лампах из СССР, звучат не хуже импортных. По другому, но точно не хуже :)
6П43П-Е в отличие от EL84 рассчитаны на меньшее напряжение и больший ток. 6П43П-Е похожи на EL86 / 6CW5. Их можно использовать вместо EL84, для этого нужно уменьшить ток с помощью смещения.
I managed to find a schematic for the SC20, and no, it uses 12v heaters, so not compatible. I can't find info with the Bassbreaker. If you have a multimeter and the confidence to probe the socket, I could try to explain how to check.
@@DATT Hey, thanks a lot man. I guess I could do it myself but since I have a few more amps its better to find someone experienced to check it for me. Thanks again, it really helped me at least knowing I can't use them in my Marshall. Cheers!
@@DATT а также 6п3с -е она отличается от 6п3с но самая моя любимая из всех аналогичных двойных триодов это 6н23п-ев ...не путать с 6н23п ( они отличаются по звуку сильно)
@@DATT i have many other tubes у меня есть очень много различных ламп как драйверных так и оконечных...если надо то могу продать не дорого если конечно к вам есть доставка
@@Gifer-i2k Вы розничная торговля излишками? Я купил эти на eBay. Кажется, многие из них пришли из Украины, я предполагал, что какое-то время не смогу получить больше из-за войны.
@@Gifer-i2k Я знаю про -e, он больше похож на современный 5881. Я думаю, что Sovtek просто переименовал его в таковой долгое время. Ах да, я тоже слышал о 6н23п-ев. Кажется, он пользуется большим уважением и имеет высокую цену. Цена - единственная причина, по которой я никогда их не покупал. Часть того, что я здесь делал, заключалась в том, чтобы посмотреть, какие результаты я могу получить за очень небольшие деньги.
@@keesguldie Yeah eh. I def heard a different in texture between the EV and Non-EV tubes. I might have been looking at the other makes but didn't bother cause my goal was to be as cheap as possible.
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I guess... you get what you pay for. The seller knows what they have and price them accordingly.
Currently I'm on the hunt for soviet tubes as well, but I'll have them tested by the seller and also re-tested by a mate to ensure a good tone.
If they worked, they worked well, but yeah.
Dude that Project OD is killer!!!
It has it moments. There are a couple videos just about it.
I read the 6n3c tubes might not handle much and red plate easily in high gain amps, then i found there is a 6n3c-e varient thats the extra life military graded version that can apparently take a lot more and has a rating of 2500-5000 hrs. theyre nearly identical to the sovtek 5881/6l6wgc tubes with the thin wafer base, ive even seen nos sovteks that are relabeled over the old markings lol and ive seen the 6n3c relabeled as groove tubes and all sorts of names.
I got some of the 6n3c-e and they sound pretty good and no red plating yet! Check em out while theyre still cheap
Also fyi you can use google translater with images to help translate those old russian datasheets ;)
Oh yeah, they aren't has high wattage, or high voltage for that matter, so you have to be careful. I personally have had good results with them, biasing based on 20 watts. That and I mostly run my amp at lower volumes. We had set a buddie up with a 4 set in his JCM900 at one point, and they did go red plate, but that's half cause the match was poor on this set and a sketchier tube ran away. I put 2 into an old traynor, that I think was only 420-440v and they were fine, cranked all the way up too. That set was a much better match also. Seems matching is important.
I'm pretty sure at one point some of these tubes and Sovtek are the exact same thing. One of the factories that makes these tubes. Reflector I think, I could be wrong, was the factory that made Sovtek back in the day. So those short place 5881's are the same tube relabeled. Also some of these preamp tubes, you can tell are pretty much the same thing and modern sovtek, just pinned differently. |
Yeah, I have used google translate to do that.
Crunchy as f.. sounds excellent.
Yeah I thought to. The 6N2P's live in my 800 now.
@@DATT thats dope!!!
@@jamescassidy4045 Thanks, I haven't tried buying any more since the issues in Ukraine.
Hey man! Awesome video :) one question; did you had to change heater voltage inside the amp before puting those 6N2P into the "adapter sockets" or does that socket convert 12 volts into 6 volts? Thanks for the answer!
Ah no, as long as your amp uses standard 6v wiring, the adapters to the work for you.
However, you kind of need to make sure your amp uses standard 6v wiring.
I've noticed many newer amps can use 12v, and even 24v heater supplies. We tried these adapters on one of my buddies amps, I forget which one, it almost went thermal nuclear.
Bugera I've noticed likes to use 24v heaters, with 2 tubes wires 12v in series.
@@DATT Im using Bogner Alchemist and so far what I figured out is that I have 6.3.v heaters! Awesome, will order those adapter sockets, already have 10x 6n2p-ev NOS home that Ive picked up in a tube lot last year..and order some other variants on the web :) cant wait to go down that rabbit hole hehe. ..I have quite a few vintage NOS 12ax7's but I would like to run em on budget and not feeling like I have to spare them and be careful everytime :) also have 6n1p and 6n6p's at home aswell. This is gonna be interesting:) thanks for your answer!
@@MartyFavento I have a Alchemist service schematic, yeah, looks like you're good, standard heater wiring. In fact, it seem they are all AC heaters even. Usually in a high gain amp, at least the first preamp tube is DC heaters.
The 6n2p-ev were decent. They look just like sovtek WA's. Well, they kind of are, kind of.
These tubes were the same family, and in some cases the same factory at sovtek once upon a time.
I tend to avoid NOS tubes, which ironically, these are. I also played with 6n1p and 6n6p, but I guess I mentioned that in the video already. The 1p's were good for phase inverters.
@@DATT awesome! Now im even more excited and certain this will work out :) thank you big time for your info! Btw, I saw you using 6P3S as power tube in this vid. I've been using for the past year 6P3S-E (coin base version) also a higher spec tube. And it sounds rich, full bodied, dynamic and strong in low end. I think you might like em way better then standard 6P3S you have. Didnt tried those particular ones you have but heard many times that 6P3S-E version is way more musical. It needed like 20ish hours to burn in so to speak..it sounded really glassy and stiff right off the bat..But eventually it opened and all the characteristics that were mentioned before came out :) I understand what you mean that you prefer new tubes cause of availability...im a vintage tube freak myself..I have all the good stuff( Philips, Telefunken,Mullard, Tungsram etc) and to me sounds so superior to new made stuff that I cant go back using modern.. btw, I also liked JJ Ecc803s in modern choiche..and since you like low end like myself you should try JJ E83CC frame grid tube..this one really sounds fat and full of smooth mids, I prefered 803s before I tried this one :)
@@MartyFavento Oh yeah, the -E, it's a short base 5881 that was sold under the sovtek brand for years. I've tried a set once, they seemed pretty good. The non -e once I got were for the lols, and cause their design reminded me of an old shugang 6L6 tube set I have that have an interesting sound. The non -e's can brighten up a dark amp a bit.
I've used the 803's and 83CC's also, have a set. I like the 803's in my crate and 800 too I think.
The 83CC's are in V2 and V3 of my Jet City head. You think the 83CC is fatter and smoother than the 803s ? Hmm, Maybe, I liked the 803's cause they were dark and could tame a bright harsh amp. But I guess that doesn't equate to fat and smooth.
One thought that comes to mind, is to mention I almost never like the same tube in my Pi position that I like in my preamp/gain positions. Can't remember the last time I tried 803's or 83CC's in the Pi position.
Попробуйте поставить 6Н23П-ЕВ, 6Н23П (ECC88, E88CC, 6DJ8, 6922) вместо 6Н2П.
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You can use android phones to translate those data sheets.
Also, check out the switching circuit you can add to preamp heaters so that you can use 12ax7 or 6n2p-ev. Essy peazy. Spdt switch is all you need.
I think I did use an app online at one point to review some sheets.
And I've def added a switch to some of my clone amps.
My Jubilee clone actually.
time to test the GU-29 :)
Yeah, you know, I actually did make a vid about it, just haven't edited it yet. The results were that great, and I felt I needed to do another follow up vid that I never got around too. I'm bound to edit it eventually
Попробуй потом еще протестировать, 6п6с если найдешь, это оч близкий родственник 6V6. А есть ещё 6п3с-е они производились для военной промышленности, похоже на современные 6L6GC по виду, но срок службы в несколько раз больше. У нас DIY сообщество много собирают на лампах из СССР, звучат не хуже импортных. По другому, но точно не хуже :)
Ах да, я знаком с этими трубками и хотел бы когда-нибудь попробовать их обе.
6П43П-Е в отличие от EL84 рассчитаны на меньшее напряжение и больший ток. 6П43П-Е похожи на EL86 / 6CW5. Их можно использовать вместо EL84, для этого нужно уменьшить ток с помощью смещения.
О, это приятно знать. Объясняет, почему 6П43П-Е не сразу заработал в усилителе EL84, над которым я работал.
@DATT I use 6p14p for el84. 6p14p-k us the rugged version. Love em in my 18 watt marshall build. Dr z uses em as well.
In mother russia, tube chooses YOU.
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Would it be safe to use 6n2p in my Marshall sc20 head, and fender Bassbreaker 007 head? I am not sure how to check the heater voltage. Thanks.
I managed to find a schematic for the SC20, and no, it uses 12v heaters, so not compatible. I can't find info with the Bassbreaker. If you have a multimeter and the confidence to probe the socket, I could try to explain how to check.
@@DATT Hey, thanks a lot man. I guess I could do it myself but since I have a few more amps its better to find someone experienced to check it for me. Thanks again, it really helped me at least knowing I can't use them in my Marshall. Cheers!
@@manintheboxxxX Yeah, if I had it in front of me, I'd be able to figure it out pretty quick.
Ха ха а есть ведь еще интересные лампы 6н5п ...6н26п.....6н3п.....6н30п
О да, их много. Я выбрал самое интересное и то, что я мог себе позволить на тот момент.
@@DATT а также 6п3с -е она отличается от 6п3с но самая моя любимая из всех аналогичных двойных триодов это 6н23п-ев ...не путать с 6н23п ( они отличаются по звуку сильно)
@@DATT i have many other tubes у меня есть очень много различных ламп как драйверных так и оконечных...если надо то могу продать не дорого если конечно к вам есть доставка
@@Gifer-i2k Вы розничная торговля излишками?
Я купил эти на eBay.
Кажется, многие из них пришли из Украины, я предполагал, что какое-то время не смогу получить больше из-за войны.
@@Gifer-i2k Я знаю про -e, он больше похож на современный 5881. Я думаю, что Sovtek просто переименовал его в таковой долгое время.
Ах да, я тоже слышал о 6н23п-ев. Кажется, он пользуется большим уважением и имеет высокую цену. Цена - единственная причина, по которой я никогда их не покупал.
Часть того, что я здесь делал, заключалась в том, чтобы посмотреть, какие результаты я могу получить за очень небольшие деньги.
Cool comparison. Were the normal 6N2P and the EV both from Voshod? Or Maybe a Reflektor?
They appear to have a Voshod logo on them. Aren't the Reflektors rarer ?
@@DATT just a little more rare. There are also Foton 6N2P tube,s. I like to do a comparison with this 4 tube,s
@@keesguldie Yeah eh. I def heard a different in texture between the EV and Non-EV tubes.
I might have been looking at the other makes but didn't bother cause my goal was to be as cheap as possible.
У меня была одна лампа 6Н6П, но я её сломал, треснула по штырькам.
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