Zhongli is a descender in some lore they also said Rex lapis descended upon liyue there's only one answer to it Either he is one of the shades or he is an outlander he is more like Dan heng from hsr
All the lizard-like details about him, and being much older than the other Archons, and being powerful enough to decimate countless other gods, and his exuvia being a dragon, the fact that the god who sweats money has a bigger spending problem than the broke alcoholic hobo god because he can't fathom the concept of economy, all vishaps naturally resent the archons but somehow Azhdaha became his friend, the first thing he does when he finally starts walking among the mortals is concern himself with the dead...
@@Glis54 Neuvillette also has dragon details. Neuvillette also doesn't need a gnosis. Neuvillette is also much older than the archons. Neuvillette is also friendly with vishaps. Neuvillette is also tremendously powerful. Neuvillette is also aloof, awkward and unable to fully adapt to humans no matter how long he is around them. I think there is something going on here.
Him and Venti are definitely hiding something and let's not forget Zhongli knows our abyss sibling but is contracted to not tell anyone about it, even us
@@sophs_corner Indeed. And know this, Zhongli is the only one to have a statue that holds a cube, the other Archons all have a circle. And who else uses/has cubes? The Unknown God.
Something she actually missed. Zhongli is not the only character who's first story quest is not titled after his constellation. There is only one character beside Zhongli who is in a similar situation Neuvillette. His constellation name is Leviathan Judiciary, his first story quest is called 'The remains of Past Days' Not to mention Neuvillette's trialer has the title of: Watcher in the deep. The title of Zhongli's demo is: The Listener. I don't think this is a coincience.
@pepita2437 maybe they both have connection to the dragon sovereign, neuvilette especially doesn't need a constellation so maybe that's a point, interesting take regardless
There was a theory that supports this. They say that he fell to Teyvat 6000 years ago, in a star/meteor, called the Solar Chariot, and in the process, the impact created a crater we now know as the Chasm.
@Spacecowboy1997 paragraph person here. The nail event happened AFTER the fall of the solar chariot, other records tells that the solar chariot is that same meteor that fell to the south western part of Liyue region, creating the deep gorge. The Celestial nail was dropped to the Chasm to suppress the black mud and the Abyss. Ever since then, the ancestors of the now Chenyu Vale migrated to safety. It is said that the fall of the solar chariot happened among the earliest history after the creation of the New World (current Teyvat) to replace the Old World (where dragons, vishaps, and elemental beings alike are natives). The death of the three moon sisters was one such event during the destruction of the Lunar Palace. While it can be said (quite) unreliable, there are open world dialogues like with the 'Boatman' in Inazuma that such places like the Golden Hall, which may or may not have relation tto the Lunar Palace exists. The Liyue stone tablet compilation AND Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Osial incident states that Rex Lapis descended 6000 years ago. Not born. However, there is a slight shift of the overall meaning in EN when compared to the original translation in CN. The Chinese character, 降居 (jiàng jū) is specific to the word 'demotion'. As to where did Zhongli originated from is vague at best. Honestly, I am more surprised that that ppl start talking about the solar chariot lore now since it was a part of a lore long existed in Genshin.
Here’s where I slide in my theory… So the Solar relic is depicted in the vermillion hereafter set. It says that during Zhongli's earlier years, light was shed onto teyvat's lands by the solar chariot. But after the three moon sisters died, the sun chariot fell down to land, forming the chasm. And if you look at Zhongli's card description, it says "stars fall, lights dim" which fits the sands description pretty well. So was he piloting the chariot??? Did he crash with it??? Is he initially from celestia? All other archons seem to be "elemental beings" (Makoto/Ei being lightning, Nahida being a branch of Irimnsul, Venti being a wind spirit, and Furina created by Focolors, and Mavuika was a human pre-archon) but Zhongli HIMSELF tells us he isn't in his second story quest. In the book "stone tablet compilations, vol.1" it's also mentioned Rex lapis descended in the beginning, but apparently there has been a mistranslation. The original chinese description actually reads more as demoted... Also, if you go back to Zhongli's collected miscelleny, Dainsleif warns us about Zhongli being a player, but also acting behind the scenes. I don't think he only refers to the contract Zhongli made w/ the Tsaritsa, but also w/ celestia. You also have to remember that Zhongli create(s/d) mora, which is known to be of gold. Albedo told us that gold can either be created by alchemy or using the power of eight suns. Tbh I think that's enough evidence to say Zhongli might some star/celestial god that was kicked out for (unknown) reasons. Him having a direct contract w/ celestia just solidifies that, and also as the title of liyue's archon quest being "A new star approaches" insinuates that there has been an old star BEFORE.
I wouldnt be surprized If it is js those two cuz they are the only original archons left. But i really belive the journey will end in monstadt w all the god of time and "the gateway to Celestia" things. Plus If u go too much out the Paimon bariere then u will be automatically teleported in the same place in monstadt no matter where u go out the bareer(u cant try w sayu If u want)
@@meli_meli06 damn didn't know that part lol, if I knew that I would have said beer instead of alcohol XD also if Venti's country is based of Germany then is there also a certain painter with a square shaped moustache who once ruled it into it's glory
To be honest, I believe Zhongli is actually just an Out-Cast Celestial God which is also why he has a Contract with Celestia, preventing him from telling us about our sibling etc. (+he's 6k+ years old, the second oldest Archon would be 2.6k which is a HUGE gap)
Small objection, Venti is by no means 2.6k years old, that's only when he ascended as an Archon. As a wind spirit amongst the Thousand Winds, he was already there. For how long though? We have no idea
@@sophiadealencar8721it depends on when his mom died and became the four wind dragons or something like that. Venti and duvalin are more related than most people pay attention to.
@@zerotodona1495nope istoroth isn't dead or confirm dead anyway. At one point venti existed alongside istoroth. And no devolin wasn't born from istoroth he was born in heaven by the accumulated elementel enargy.
What's more interesting is we still don't know what Zhongli's contract to Signora... Now that we know from Fontaine act V that all of the knosis are parts of the third decender we can assure that Zhongli probably has his own plan regarding the third decender
Perhaps he descended with the third descender but doesn't meet the full requirements? Like how the abyss sibling isn't fulfilling the full requirements of being a descender? Or hes the god of contracts because a contract trapped him here in the first place?
Paragraph person here. The nail event happened AFTER the fall of the solar chariot, other records tells that the solar chariot is that same meteor that fell to the south western part of Liyue region, creating the deep gorge. The Celestial nail was dropped to the Chasm to suppress the black mud, ever since then, the ancestors of the now Chenyu Vale migrated to safety. It is said that the fall of the solar chariot happened among the earliest history after the creation of the New World (current Teyvat) to replace the Old World (where dragons, vishaps, and elemental beings alike are natives). The death of the three moon sisters was one such event during the destruction of the Lunar Palace. While it can be said (quite) unreliable, there are open world dialogues like with the 'Boatman' in Inazuma that such places like the Golden Hall, which may or may not have relation tto the Lunar Palace exists. The Liyue stone tablet compilation AND Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Osial incident states that Rex Lapis descended 6000 years ago. Not born. However, there is a slight shift of the overall meaning in EN when compared to the original translation in CN. The Chinese character, 降居 (jiàng jū) is specific to the word 'demotion'. As to where did Zhongli originated from is vague at best. Honestly, I am more surprised that that ppl start talking about the solar chariot lore now since it was a part of a lore long existed in Genshin. What counts as a descender? EDIT: I've seen some people speculating that Zhongli js a descender. But to be completely honest? Just take them with a massive grain of salt. Maybe, you can kinda say that if you squint your eyes. There are some chances that he might be one, but it's yet to be confirmed. So be patient. At the end of Narzissenkreuz WQ, Rene left a note that describes what descenders are as part of his experiment to become one, which he failed miserably. A descender is an OUTLANDER with immense amount of 'will' that can greatly influence and change the course of fate in Teyvat. That including; - a will to create a new world - a will to sustain the world - a will to protect the world - a will to destroy the world I naturally assume that a descender not only be a non-Teyvat native with great strengths (power, influence) but also possess a strong determination to be able to fulfill all those 4 requirements. I highly reccomend looking for the in-game sources rather than a degraded version of simple, short sentences because oh boy the lore of Teyvat's origin goes crazy.
Zhongli is not a descender for sure, pretty much all of the descenders were revealed and we can rule him out being one, but he is very likely either an outlander or a Celestial god that was demoted, I am leaning towards the latter.
When you mentioned 'a will to create, sustain, protect, and destroy' you literally reminded me of HSR's Aeons and the Paths of Propagation, Abundance, Preservation, and Destruction. To get gazed by an Aeon down in the world of Teyvat does seem like an impossible miracle.
@@aureliaavalon Actually since Aeons are wayyyyyyyyyyy stronger than even the Descenders in hoyoverse it's possible that Teyvat is within their sights. 1. Yog Sogoth 2. Aeons 3. HSR MC 4. Kiana of End Yeah basically like this in terms of ranking.
All of the Seven statues were holding a globe while Zhongli held a cube. This creates some theories about him being related to the unknown God that also uses cube. The video theory also said about his eyes that look similar to the unknown God. This then created a theory that he was from the Celestia since when the traveler asked about their twin, he said he can't break his contract that might mean he has a connection with the Celestia. Idk, this is from a video I saw. *Edit: I thought ppl were just having a war and discussion in the comment section so I pretty much ignored it. But 4.7k likes in 3 days? You guys really are something else💀 *To make things clear, this theory was picked up by me from a genshin creator that shares their theory. Just sharing their theory yk. Thx
The Inazuma and Natlan statues aren't Not holding a globe For Inazuma it looks like a mirror with 6 smaller spherical shapes on its sides As for Natlan its shaped like an Eye of a storm P.s I can Argue that Fontaine is not really holding a globe cus it's a sword but the spherical shape thats present in the statue of both Mondstatd and Sumeru appears in its hilt
I thought he holds a cube because the geo symbol also isn't spherical plus crystal structures have seven forms in the bravais lattice, none of them are spherical. One of the seven forms is a cube.
@@astarionmochidragon4729it’s related to space. So every shade has an element that represents them. Shade of time-Win/Anemo, Shade of death-Pyro, Shade of space-Geo, Shade of life-Hydro
Well theres an rumor whta i like that zhongli is actually an child that was abonded by celestials and that could explain how he got so powerful witouth an soveirgen dragons powers
For the last point Ei herself says that "If you remember me, I'll live forever" When discussing erosion and a future where she herself is no longer around, idk why but these Archons have such death flags around them
Honestly? The dragon prince Scylla called the usurpers are cursed to sacrifice themselves for their immense love towards humankind. So it is not that far-fetched to say that the deaths of some archons during the Cataclysm event 500 years ago was to be expected by the Heavenly Principles.
@@chimk1nb055If the so called usupers are destined to die, is it implying that all the original Archons should've died. In that case, why are Zhongli and Venti still alive? Something's fishy here...
@@sophiadealencar8721 Not necessarily, it just means that being an archon is to live a life full of hardships that makes them so admirable. That includes suffering erosion, loss, and the threat of death to the self for humanity
@chimk1nb055 Ei has already died once before, way back in the Archon war when she sacrificed her body so that Makoto could become Archon, similar to what Andrius did for Venti Zhongli also technically 'died' not really but kinda Focalors is dead Rukudhavata is also dead Mavuika killed herself 500 years ago Orginal cryo Archon is dead Venti is in the form of a dead person So yeah, in someway or another all of the archons have died lol
Something alot of youtubers skip, (probably because theres not enough information) is that theres no history of geo from the last 500 years. In the khavanrea beyond good and evil quest series paimon makes mention of how weird it is theres no geo drum or ancient writings and then we all moved on like that wasnt a massive hole in history. 😮
anemo and geo drums were both missing, and i don't see paimon mentioning it, just a note. And i don't know what you mean with there is no history of geo from the last 500 years, that just seems kind of a wild statement not backed by anything in how you said it.
@@zackfaircc5624 the order of the skeptics ancestors who designed the drums are from 500 years ago during the cataclysm thats where it fits in the timeline.
@@henryshi I don't think so in Neuvillette's case. We know he's the Dragon Sovereign of Hydro. That's really the only "secret" to him, and it gets revealed pretty early in the Fontaine story.
Because hes the living embodiment of. "History set in stone." Thats why one of his special abilities is having a really good memory. Thus why he wanted us to be a witness like he was a witness to history
Your Venti PFP makes this even more amazing because what venti said about him during lantern rite lives rent free in my brain... What do you mean immense knowledge, what do you mean unlimited strength ???????
@@TernaryTomcat34im sad gi doesnt have like "upgrades" of the same character. I would pay for a zhongli dragon form as dps to see him as much as possible
Your comment reminds me of that one artist that drew Dan Heng as Zhongli and Guizhong's child, and they even made a lil lore that Dan Heng is short because Guizhong didn't have any milk to feed him lmaoo
My theory is he’s a Vidyadhara (Honkai Star Rail) that came to Teyvat a very long time ago. He some how ascended, which woke up the dragon blood in him thus making him the first Adepti.
I recently stumbled upon a reddit post analyzing Zhongli based on chinese translations, even his name has its own history, in literal translation it means to gather and to depart. And no before any shipper comes at me with their simplistic "Zhongli took his hame from Guizhong" do your research first, his name was carefully chosen and it has IRL history in it.
There are a ton of characters who has very important lore/parts to play in the future story. like Kaeya and Albedo. Diluc (we knpw far less ofhim than we like to admit)
Fun Fact: "Historia Antiqua" means "Ancient History" in Latin, while "Lapis Dei" means "Stone of God" or "God of Stone" (Finally putting my two years of Latin to work bro)
Isn’t one of the theories that Morax is directly related to the First Descender? One of his shades or even possibly a son, if I’m remembering the theory correctly. He also shares the cube theme with the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was there when the Dragon Sovereigns were dethroned-or even played an active role in it. He’s very suspicious overall. I hope we get to see Neuvillette judge him.
I dont think hes the only one whos not from this world. Just look at Zhonglis about Xiao voiceline: "You speak of the young adeptus of Guili Plains... *sigh* Still fulfilling his duty to this very day. Please give this Remedium Tertiorum to him on my behalf. Oh, yes... be sure not to let Paimon eat them. Nothing of this world can withstand the power of this medicine." It makes sense that Xiao wouldnt be from this world either if Zhongli wasnt. This also shouls comfirm that Paimon is from Teyvat. (this could all just be stupid stuff but i noticed this a long time ago when i was looking at zhonglis voicelines and i was suprised when no one brought it up)
We love Zhongli and Venti, they're the most mysterious mf in the game, cuz one of them still remembers the original Dendro Archon and the other one has a sussy voice line.
Zhongli actually doesn’t remember about rukkhadevata since he talks about how nahida saved irminsul from FK which was done by rukkhadevata. Ig he knows about there being a person before nahida but doesn’t remember who.
@@Pre4xes_ He seems to have partial memory otherwise he wouldn't know about someone being there before. Only supports the theory that he is an outlander.
Neuvillete story quest also does not match his constellation. Although, this might be because he came up with this name randomly to entertain Melusines.
Neuvillette is a soverity dragon, not an archon. This is supposed to be a connection through the archons, rather than both archon and soverity dragon. I hope this makes sense ^^
Also Neuvillette's demo is titled as such: Neuvillette, watcher in the deep. The title of Zhongli's demo is: The Listener. Iof title dk but that choice was not accidental.
Before he is an archon, he is a really i mean REALLY powerful adepti, he then ascend to godhood, he is possibly so old that he witness lot of things but maybe calestia erasses some of his memories OR locked it (his hand might be the "locked memories")
I remember that the adepti were actually in Teyvat even before celestia came... And if he has a contract with celestia, I think It was to protect himself and the adepti (In the unawekened dream it's revealed that he is actually the ancient geo dragon, because he fufilled his contract of some sorts (the contract with celestia I think) then he turns into his dragon form and "dies" by turning into rock){That's actually the video where they show Venti good of time}
Yeah, but Zhongli is the Prime Adeptus, and even after Fujin became one herself, she claims that the ones illuminated by Morax are pure. Hence that means that Zhongli is a completely different breed Which begs the question, what is an Adeptus supposed to be? Zhongli’s own form isn’t even a dragon, it’s one of his many, which he states is a dragon-qilin Exuvia
Pretty sure we knew from *somewhere* that he was one of the descenders. He is hiding some stuff though, why are his arms like that? How did he know all of that stuff? Why is he so powerful to have been such a menace during the Archon war? What about his "dragon" form? Is he a dragon of some sort?
FUN(OR SCARY) FACT: Zhongli's statue is the only one who doesn't hold an oculos of his element on his hands.. Instead he holds a cube.. And we all know what character has a deep relation with cubes.
@@pepita2437 yeah and? It’s the prime elements. Wind, earth, water and fire. Even says it on the alchemy bench. Geo=Earth=Space, Pyro=Fire=Death, Hydro=Water=Life, Anemo=Wind=Time. It’s literally there, What do you not understand? The other 3 elements don’t equal to any shade
@@Pre4xes_The original comment referred to how Zhongli statue alone holds a cube and not an oculus and here you went connecting the four elements to the four shades...
He's literally a textbook manipulator too bruh. The deleted voiceline talking about how he hasn't been back to celestia in a long time. I SWEAR HE'S A PLOTTWIST ANTAGONIST.
I heard some lore crafters say that he might have been associated with the shade of space, similar to how venti is associated with the shade of time, which may have something to do with him remembering some unknown facts because he may not be from teyvat exactly but idk
Zhongli is like the traveler a witness he said this on his quest. He told the traveler that like him he was a witness so he wanted the traveler to know the truth in case something happend to him. Also mention he wasnt from teyvat
I have watched a cool theory some time ago. So, we know that Zhongli is like.. old. One of the original archons, but even older than Venti. Maybe he existed even before primordial one came to teyvat and changed the sky? His constellation changed after the change of the sky, and that’s why his story quest’s title is different since it uses his old constellation
That sounds really cool, can you please explain this a bit more for me? I don't know if I just missed some epic lore drop while I played, or if I haven't gotten to that part yet, but I would love to hear it!
@ I don’t really know how to explain the whole theory lol- for the video search “wei Zhongli” and you should see a video titled: “Zhongli has been hiding this for 2 years” or something like that! :3
@@Pre4xes_ Not really. Neuvillette is just a reincarnation of the hydro sovereign, and he is missing most of the memories of the prvious Hydro sovereighn too(he literally told this during aconversation with th treaveler)
Videos like these pointing out really cool details even about older characters always feel like a friendly reminder that by visiting all 7 nations the game won't end. Genshin has way too complex lore for it to end just by us finding our twin
the best archon istg i love him, for the part where is implied that he is not from teyvat, correct me if i’m wrong, but i think i remember something in the game saying he “descended” in teyvat six thousand years before the time of the game, so i strongly believe on this ig
Zhongli also stated "history can not easily be changed." MOST people say you can't change the past, and yet he KNEW you could. This was before Sumeru, before Inazuma (I believe). He knows far too much and I believe that's exactly why he was put under a contract of silence. Going off what I learned in Natlan in the recent quest, I can't help but wonder what would happen if he broke that contract.
Otto? is that you? (*But really, I'm trying to find how some HI3 characters got into Teyvat, as in... Unknown god - K[REDACTED] Venti - Wendy Raiden Ei - Raiden Mei Nahida - *Unknown Furina/Neuvillette - *Unknown Mavuika - Mutara Himeko "the Tsaritsa" - Seele/Bronya(?) Zhongli - "Void Archives"(?)
Capitano in genshin is tryna save Mavuika (Himeko) and Welt in Hsr is tryna save Himeko. Both have a mysterious past identity going on, Mavuika says Capitano is FAMILIAR. AHEM, as I further introduce, WELT OF GENSHIN, CAPITANO.
There’s a ton of reasons why there are theories portray Zhongli has the primordial one. All the more hilarious why he avoids neuvillette. I recommend watching da Wei’s theory for this. Because Zhongli is easily the most suspicious character in the game
@@MadzMi Venti is overrated, nowhere near as sus as Zhongli. We don't even know what Zhongli actually is, with Venti we know his origin and the majority of his story.
The Primordial One is a descender, Zhongli is affected by Irminsul and isn't listed as one of the descenders. Not only that but Zhongli simply isn't anywhere strong enough, he could barely beat a sovereign whilst PO absolutely demolished all the sovereigns AND their king Just the sheer difference in strength alone disproves this, that being said Zhongli is likely a Celestial god.
The fact that he's a dragon, created another dragon, but isn't a dragon sovereign, and isn't bound by the laws of Teyvat, makes it seem like he's a descender. Though, Neuvillette also doesn't share constellation name with his story quest, and he's a dragon too. Which would give more credit to Zhongli also being a dragon. I wonder, was he a dragon who allied himself with Celestia, but something happened that made them drop him to Teyvat? But honestly, with Genshin's tendency to abandon old plot points, I don't have much faith he will matter at all towards the end of the game.
is it possibly because he is a dragon sovereign? He was chosen to be the archon while he is also the sovereign for his religion. Neuvillete is not archon but he is the dragon sovereign. Maybe his special connection with being both dragon and archon gives him protection from certain ailments of teyvat
Heavenly principles aren’t aa stupid as to make one of their enemies an archon. I’m pretty sure that they would killed him rather then make him their subject to prevent future risks. Of course he might be a sovereign If heavenly principles didn’t know he was one.
@@MadzMi? It mentions in the game multiple times from books to adep that some of the dragons sovereign’s betrayed the dragons because they knew they were going to lose? And considering besides the dead electric dragon we haven’t met the geo dragon ( the dragon we battle in the story was a blind earth spirit that zhogli gave a dragon shaped form to, not the geo dragon) also it seems like the dragons aren’t affected by the leyline tampering? Many theorize that the dragon’s cons are based on the old sky since neuviellte story isn’t based on his con as well. Plus in Japanese and Chinese in the Rex lapis book it says that zhogli was demoted (not descended or whatever mistranslation that the English got). Demoted from what they don’t say but the common theory with the Japanese fans is demoted from being sovereign
@@TVZ5Qfighting where was it ever mentioned in the game that some sovereigns betrayed dragons? If it’s is some book, give me title. If in somewhere else, tell me where. My point still stands that heavenly principles would made one of their (past?) enemies one of the 7 god’s holding the most power in tayvat.
He was already sus when he refused to answer our questions regarding our sibling. He is also the only archon we have no idea the origin of, only speculation.
He is one of the desenders. He was dropping off hints in the different quests he was in. So he is not from this world, like the traveler. He also shares similar physical features with the unknown god like their eyes. On the statues of the seven, the archons hold spheres, but Zhongli is the only one who holds a cube.
He’s not a descender. Outlander at best, even though it says born or something like that in cn. So we can’t be sure if he’s an outlander or a native. He’s definitely not a descender though
His species of dragon also stands out from the one we fight during the wind archon quest line . Actually, his species of dragon in mythology just left into unknown instead of going extinct. If i recall correctly, could his species of dragon actually be able to travel between worlds? And the curse could be that he's bound to teyvat and can't leave
Imagine is he turns out to be a Vidyadhara. Maybe one of the 5 scions of permanence? Or even the Aeon of Permanence himself. Didn't he just disappear all of a sudden?
I mean, it IS a big part of his lore that he Remembers everything and that's both a blessing and curse, so it kinda makes sense that he remembers that Nahida isn't an og part of the seven? Like maybe he had a contract involving that or something in the past
Zhongli/Morax is 6000 years old, so yeah, he holds a lot of secrets. During the Archon War, he popped up in Liyue out of nowhere to fight for his place and was only known as the first Adepti? Sounds questionable already. China has a big respect with Dragons as their leadership so Zhongli still holds the potential to be the Geo sovereign.
Why would they make their ENEMY, the archon? They killed the sovereigns, so either Zhongli made it seem as if Azhdaha the geo sovereign, then lock him up so that he could survive. Zhongli is a smart man, BUT ALSO, as we know those who aren’t connected to Irminsul (Like Mc) won’t be affected by any changes, so therefore. He could be a descender… though there’s not much on this..
@ThawminTheChildEater correction. It's not the Archon who killed/slain/defeated the Sovereigns... It's the Celestia who is Phanes himself and his Four Shades. Neuvilette judges the Seven because he died back then and only came back years ago in the form of a human now known as Neuvilette. he simply judges them because the Seven joined the Celestia making them his enemy. The Archons(except Venti) already betrayed the Celestia meaning they're no longer enemies to Neuvilette.
I'm starting to the dragons, at least the dragons that can take human form, are either from a species that no longer exists or are descendants from something not of teyvat.
It makes no sense for Zhongli to be a descender, the first is the primordial, the second died in battle and apparently the 3rd became Gnosis, the 4th is the protagonist. He is prob a outlander.
@hinomi107 the primordial is not the first as he created the world as we know it the one that die became the Gnosis the second one is the first it's like the fatui where we thought the captain was the second but turn out he is the first
@@hinomi107 I have seen a theory that just like how we have Moon Sisters, why can’t we have Sun Brothers? King Deshret seemed to also be able to make gold, and is always depicted as a sun. His temple is also filled with the same symbol that’s on Zhongli’s back. Zhongli also has a sun theme going on. So while unlikely to a Descender. I think at the very least he may be related to one.
@Sky-8754 No? It is literally said and thrown in our faces that PO is the heavenly principles, and that HP are the first descender, just like in Byakuya's collection in Enkanomiya they pretty much confirm that the second one that came is literally the second one that was able to go in front of the heavens glow. We are confirmed that the 3rd was transformed into Gnosis via Surtalogi's teachings to Skirk (as well as some items that say this was apparently a deal) and that the protagonist is the 4th. The greatest proof that PO was the first (apart from the confirmations we have) is that he was the first to have a strong enough will and strength to usurp the world of Teyvat and reshape it to his desire, thus dividing the 3 planes and the purging of the abyss that was brought by "TSWC from the heavens" using sapphire nails. It is worth remembering that the classification of "descender" was created by the Fatuus (although others have used other terms, such as the cross of narcissus from the Fontaine WQ).
@@hiiamelecktro4985 Yes, I also imagine that he probably has involvement with some descender (i theorize it's the 3rd) since he is also bound by the rules of this world and has made a contract with Celestia not to say anything.
Well zhogli is the most intriguing character in the game. He knows the history of the world but is under contract not to say (makes you wonder if some one can't control him). Also he can't be eroded by the world.
That would mean he’s either the first or second descender which could potentially make sense since he still remembers rukkdehata being the predecessor of nahida but the only way that would be true is if in his next story quest we get the knowledge of morax not being from teyvat
Even worse if they fumble the reveal or just drop it comoletely. But I'm holding out hope that with their insistence of revealing new things about him the (Deus Auri only came about in Fontaine) the further we get that they haven't abandoned it yet.
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Zhongli is a descender in some lore they also said Rex lapis descended upon liyue there's only one answer to it
Either he is one of the shades or he is an outlander he is more like Dan heng from hsr
Zhongli is also the only one with a cube in his statue
Neuvillette also has a different story quest name
All the lizard-like details about him, and being much older than the other Archons, and being powerful enough to decimate countless other gods, and his exuvia being a dragon, the fact that the god who sweats money has a bigger spending problem than the broke alcoholic hobo god because he can't fathom the concept of economy, all vishaps naturally resent the archons but somehow Azhdaha became his friend, the first thing he does when he finally starts walking among the mortals is concern himself with the dead...
@@Glis54 Neuvillette also has dragon details.
Neuvillette also doesn't need a gnosis.
Neuvillette is also much older than the archons.
Neuvillette is also friendly with vishaps.
Neuvillette is also tremendously powerful.
Neuvillette is also aloof, awkward and unable to fully adapt to humans no matter how long he is around them.
I think there is something going on here.
Him and Venti are definitely hiding something and let's not forget Zhongli knows our abyss sibling but is contracted to not tell anyone about it, even us
My theory is that he made a contract with the unknown god, they have to much similarities to not be related
@@Wanderwr_kohh man that's a good theory
@@sophs_corner Indeed. And know this, Zhongli is the only one to have a statue that holds a cube, the other Archons all have a circle. And who else uses/has cubes? The Unknown God.
BUT THAT JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEORY
@@Wanderwr_k Zhongli to asmoday is probably similar with Venti to istaroth. They are like the extension for their own respected shades
this girl has a weird talent of making me care for thing i never even questioned
Something she actually missed.
Zhongli is not the only character who's first story quest is not titled after his constellation.
There is only one character beside Zhongli who is in a similar situation
Neuvillette. His constellation name is Leviathan Judiciary, his first story quest is called 'The remains of Past Days'
Not to mention Neuvillette's trialer has the title of: Watcher in the deep. The title of Zhongli's demo is: The Listener.
I don't think this is a coincience.
@pepita2437 maybe they both have connection to the dragon sovereign, neuvilette especially doesn't need a constellation so maybe that's a point, interesting take regardless
Same
fr
Ikr, I don't play genshin and yet I know so much abt the game
Also in some book("Stone Tablet Compilations: Vol. I"), it says "In the beginning, Rex Lapis descended."
It says 'descended' not born....
A descendant of the Permanence from HSR maybe?
@@RestryouisMaybe even somehow related to the Destruction?
outlander maybe but definitely not a descender since we pretty much already deducted the identity of 1st and 2nd. and the 3rd is already dead
It is a translation error, in the 2 books about Rex Lapis in Chinese say that he was BORN
I'm surprised no one mentioned the theory that most likely, he's one of the shades of Teyvat, shade of space to be exact
There was a theory that supports this. They say that he fell to Teyvat 6000 years ago, in a star/meteor, called the Solar Chariot, and in the process, the impact created a crater we now know as the Chasm.
didnt the needle of celestia create the casm?
@@Spacecowboy1997pretty sure that only caused it to be chaotic
@Spacecowboy1997 paragraph person here. The nail event happened AFTER the fall of the solar chariot, other records tells that the solar chariot is that same meteor that fell to the south western part of Liyue region, creating the deep gorge.
The Celestial nail was dropped to the Chasm to suppress the black mud and the Abyss. Ever since then, the ancestors of the now Chenyu Vale migrated to safety.
It is said that the fall of the solar chariot happened among the earliest history after the creation of the New World (current Teyvat) to replace the Old World (where dragons, vishaps, and elemental beings alike are natives). The death of the three moon sisters was one such event during the destruction of the Lunar Palace.
While it can be said (quite) unreliable, there are open world dialogues like with the 'Boatman' in Inazuma that such places like the Golden Hall, which may or may not have relation tto the Lunar Palace exists.
The Liyue stone tablet compilation AND Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Osial incident states that Rex Lapis descended 6000 years ago. Not born. However, there is a slight shift of the overall meaning in EN when compared to the original translation in CN. The Chinese character, 降居 (jiàng jū) is specific to the word 'demotion'. As to where did Zhongli originated from is vague at best.
Honestly, I am more surprised that that ppl start talking about the solar chariot lore now since it was a part of a lore long existed in Genshin.
@@chimk1nb055 damn, appreciate the enlightenment
@@Spacecowboy1997 no probs man, i am just a happy lore enjoyer ;D
Zhongli has the curse of being old, leave him alone :
Those joints boutta get him 😬
Arthritis bouta kick in
The curse of not having any money (or at least acting like he doesn't). 😂
"Osmanthus wine taste the same as I remember, but where are those who shares the memory" he remember someone, someone he loses back then....
Curse of being broke
Zhongli is Dan Feng's long lost daddy who went to another universe to buy milk
XD
Lol 😆
As much as I like this hypothesis, pretty sure zhongli doesn’t age. He’s like the twins.
@@zerotodona1495 Zhongli did not need to age for that secenario to be true. Only Dan Heng should have aged.
i mean, it looked like it in the video's first animation when he had long ears and long horns etc, he looked like a vidyadhara lol XD
Bro was so old, he still remembers Rukk*******a lol
he shouldn't remember her tho which is sus
U too 😂😂@@youhao9274
@@youhao9274maybe he's not from teyvat
I watched the like on your comment go up
Ha nice one😊
Here’s where I slide in my theory…
So the Solar relic is depicted in the vermillion hereafter set. It says that during Zhongli's earlier years, light was shed onto teyvat's lands by the solar chariot. But after the three moon sisters died, the sun chariot fell down to land, forming the chasm. And if you look at Zhongli's card description, it says "stars fall, lights dim" which fits the sands description pretty well. So was he piloting the chariot??? Did he crash with it??? Is he initially from celestia? All other archons seem to be "elemental beings" (Makoto/Ei being lightning, Nahida being a branch of Irimnsul, Venti being a wind spirit, and Furina created by Focolors, and Mavuika was a human pre-archon) but Zhongli HIMSELF tells us he isn't in his second story quest. In the book "stone tablet compilations, vol.1" it's also mentioned Rex lapis descended in the beginning, but apparently there has been a mistranslation. The original chinese description actually reads more as demoted... Also, if you go back to Zhongli's collected miscelleny, Dainsleif warns us about Zhongli being a player, but also acting behind the scenes. I don't think he only refers to the contract Zhongli made w/ the Tsaritsa, but also w/ celestia. You also have to remember that Zhongli create(s/d) mora, which is known to be of gold. Albedo told us that gold can either be created by alchemy or using the power of eight suns. Tbh I think that's enough evidence to say Zhongli might some star/celestial god that was kicked out for (unknown) reasons. Him having a direct contract w/ celestia just solidifies that, and also as the title of liyue's archon quest being "A new star approaches" insinuates that there has been an old star BEFORE.
This theory is so good I just had to take a screen shot so I could read it again later on.
BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY!
@ A GENSHIN THEORY 😼
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First Venti, now Zhongli, who else is hiding something
I wouldnt be surprized If it is js those two cuz they are the only original archons left.
But i really belive the journey will end in monstadt w all the god of time and "the gateway to Celestia" things. Plus If u go too much out the Paimon bariere then u will be automatically teleported in the same place in monstadt no matter where u go out the bareer(u cant try w sayu If u want)
I mean, I think it was a little expected since the last of the original seven left
The only thing that Venti is hiding is his bottle of alcohol that he keeps insisting is water like a true russian would
@@yuanvalenzuela5293isnt mondstadt based off germany?
Which means that he would also keep that bottle of alcohol like a good German
@@meli_meli06 damn didn't know that part lol, if I knew that I would have said beer instead of alcohol XD also if Venti's country is based of Germany then is there also a certain painter with a square shaped moustache who once ruled it into it's glory
To be honest, I believe Zhongli is actually just an Out-Cast Celestial God which is also why he has a Contract with Celestia, preventing him from telling us about our sibling etc. (+he's 6k+ years old, the second oldest Archon would be 2.6k which is a HUGE gap)
Small objection, Venti is by no means 2.6k years old, that's only when he ascended as an Archon. As a wind spirit amongst the Thousand Winds, he was already there.
For how long though? We have no idea
In the og CN translation it also says he was demoted, so he is very likely a Celestial god.
@@sophiadealencar8721it depends on when his mom died and became the four wind dragons or something like that. Venti and duvalin are more related than most people pay attention to.
@@zerotodona1495nope istoroth isn't dead or confirm dead anyway. At one point venti existed alongside istoroth. And no devolin wasn't born from istoroth he was born in heaven by the accumulated elementel enargy.
@@AndrewsMobs So does that mean he's the strongest being in Teyvat?
What's more interesting is we still don't know what Zhongli's contract to Signora... Now that we know from Fontaine act V that all of the knosis are parts of the third decender we can assure that Zhongli probably has his own plan regarding the third decender
Contract with the tsaritsa
@@Pre4xes_ oh yeah your right
Is the tsaritsa trying to bring the third defender back to life? Like some lost love?
Or some Revenge device@@BOLDsweetVelvet
Perhaps he descended with the third descender but doesn't meet the full requirements? Like how the abyss sibling isn't fulfilling the full requirements of being a descender? Or hes the god of contracts because a contract trapped him here in the first place?
Paragraph person here. The nail event happened AFTER the fall of the solar chariot, other records tells that the solar chariot is that same meteor that fell to the south western part of Liyue region, creating the deep gorge.
The Celestial nail was dropped to the Chasm to suppress the black mud, ever since then, the ancestors of the now Chenyu Vale migrated to safety.
It is said that the fall of the solar chariot happened among the earliest history after the creation of the New World (current Teyvat) to replace the Old World (where dragons, vishaps, and elemental beings alike are natives). The death of the three moon sisters was one such event during the destruction of the Lunar Palace.
While it can be said (quite) unreliable, there are open world dialogues like with the 'Boatman' in Inazuma that such places like the Golden Hall, which may or may not have relation tto the Lunar Palace exists.
The Liyue stone tablet compilation AND Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Osial incident states that Rex Lapis descended 6000 years ago. Not born. However, there is a slight shift of the overall meaning in EN when compared to the original translation in CN. The Chinese character, 降居 (jiàng jū) is specific to the word 'demotion'. As to where did Zhongli originated from is vague at best.
Honestly, I am more surprised that that ppl start talking about the solar chariot lore now since it was a part of a lore long existed in Genshin.
What counts as a descender?
EDIT: I've seen some people speculating that Zhongli js a descender. But to be completely honest? Just take them with a massive grain of salt. Maybe, you can kinda say that if you squint your eyes. There are some chances that he might be one, but it's yet to be confirmed. So be patient.
At the end of Narzissenkreuz WQ, Rene left a note that describes what descenders are as part of his experiment to become one, which he failed miserably.
A descender is an OUTLANDER with immense amount of 'will' that can greatly influence and change the course of fate in Teyvat. That including;
- a will to create a new world
- a will to sustain the world
- a will to protect the world
- a will to destroy the world
I naturally assume that a descender not only be a non-Teyvat native with great strengths (power, influence) but also possess a strong determination to be able to fulfill all those 4 requirements.
I highly reccomend looking for the in-game sources rather than a degraded version of simple, short sentences because oh boy the lore of Teyvat's origin goes crazy.
Zhongli is not a descender for sure, pretty much all of the descenders were revealed and we can rule him out being one, but he is very likely either an outlander or a Celestial god that was demoted, I am leaning towards the latter.
When you mentioned 'a will to create, sustain, protect, and destroy' you literally reminded me of HSR's Aeons and the Paths of Propagation, Abundance, Preservation, and Destruction. To get gazed by an Aeon down in the world of Teyvat does seem like an impossible miracle.
@@aureliaavalon Actually since Aeons are wayyyyyyyyyyy stronger than even the Descenders in hoyoverse it's possible that Teyvat is within their sights.
1. Yog Sogoth
2. Aeons
3. HSR MC
4. Kiana of End
Yeah basically like this in terms of ranking.
All of the Seven statues were holding a globe while Zhongli held a cube. This creates some theories about him being related to the unknown God that also uses cube. The video theory also said about his eyes that look similar to the unknown God. This then created a theory that he was from the Celestia since when the traveler asked about their twin, he said he can't break his contract that might mean he has a connection with the Celestia.
Idk, this is from a video I saw.
*Edit: I thought ppl were just having a war and discussion in the comment section so I pretty much ignored it. But 4.7k likes in 3 days? You guys really are something else💀
*To make things clear, this theory was picked up by me from a genshin creator that shares their theory. Just sharing their theory yk. Thx
The Inazuma and Natlan statues aren't
Not holding a globe
For Inazuma it looks like a mirror with 6 smaller spherical shapes on its sides
As for Natlan its shaped like an Eye of a storm
P.s I can Argue that Fontaine is not really holding a globe cus it's a sword but the spherical shape thats present in the statue of both Mondstatd and Sumeru appears in its hilt
I thought he holds a cube because the geo symbol also isn't spherical plus crystal structures have seven forms in the bravais lattice, none of them are spherical. One of the seven forms is a cube.
@@astarionmochidragon4729it’s related to space. So every shade has an element that represents them. Shade of time-Win/Anemo, Shade of death-Pyro, Shade of space-Geo, Shade of life-Hydro
Its mean that the earth is an square :v
Zhongli literally just likes cubes bro 😭cloud retainer herself says it
The 2 OG archons 100% got something hiding
Well theres an rumor whta i like that zhongli is actually an child that was abonded by celestials and that could explain how he got so powerful witouth an soveirgen dragons powers
@@Otsikkopwor maybe he is one the descenders?
For the last point
Ei herself says that
"If you remember me, I'll live forever"
When discussing erosion and a future where she herself is no longer around,
idk why but these Archons have such death flags around them
Honestly? The dragon prince Scylla called the usurpers are cursed to sacrifice themselves for their immense love towards humankind.
So it is not that far-fetched to say that the deaths of some archons during the Cataclysm event 500 years ago was to be expected by the Heavenly Principles.
@@chimk1nb055If the so called usupers are destined to die, is it implying that all the original Archons should've died. In that case, why are Zhongli and Venti still alive? Something's fishy here...
@@sophiadealencar8721 Not necessarily, it just means that being an archon is to live a life full of hardships that makes them so admirable. That includes suffering erosion, loss, and the threat of death to the self for humanity
@@sophiadealencar8721 that just means that they haven't died, yet
@chimk1nb055 Ei has already died once before, way back in the Archon war when she sacrificed her body so that Makoto could become Archon, similar to what Andrius did for Venti
Zhongli also technically 'died' not really but kinda
Focalors is dead
Rukudhavata is also dead
Mavuika killed herself 500 years ago
Orginal cryo Archon is dead
Venti is in the form of a dead person
So yeah, in someway or another all of the archons have died lol
Something alot of youtubers skip, (probably because theres not enough information) is that theres no history of geo from the last 500 years. In the khavanrea beyond good and evil quest series paimon makes mention of how weird it is theres no geo drum or ancient writings and then we all moved on like that wasnt a massive hole in history. 😮
anemo and geo drums were both missing, and i don't see paimon mentioning it, just a note.
And i don't know what you mean with there is no history of geo from the last 500 years, that just seems kind of a wild statement not backed by anything in how you said it.
@@zackfaircc5624 the order of the skeptics ancestors who designed the drums are from 500 years ago during the cataclysm thats where it fits in the timeline.
Neuvillette's story quest also doesn't have the same as his constellation
Edit: I never said Neuvillette's an Archon. I just said that similarity
Two dragons be hidin somethin
Neuv is a special case cause he doesn’t need any constellation to begin with! His constellations for representation purpose is his own reflection!
@@henryshi I don't think so in Neuvillette's case. We know he's the Dragon Sovereign of Hydro. That's really the only "secret" to him, and it gets revealed pretty early in the Fontaine story.
Don't forget his memories return gradually who knows what things he will remember next@@Noobzlikeu
@@dolphin4156he already has all of his memories of the past
"Every journey has its final day. Don't rush." It sounds like a normal quote or maybe something else? But maybe its just my overthinking ahh lmao
God of contracts? More like the god of secrets.
Contracts made to keep secrets tbh, so he cannot reveal them thanks to that particular contractS
Then theres venti
You have violated your NDA.
i think venti could also qualify as the god of secrets, bro hasn't made a PEEP about Istaroth
But venti tho
Zhongli is the only archon who in the 2d animated cut scenes doesnt have eyes.
He might even be the only playable character
Because hes the living embodiment of.
"History set in stone."
Thats why one of his special abilities is having a really good memory.
Thus why he wanted us to be a witness like he was a witness to history
Your Venti PFP makes this even more amazing because what venti said about him during lantern rite lives rent free in my brain... What do you mean immense knowledge, what do you mean unlimited strength ???????
while Scaramouche don't accept the other archon's names, Morax's is just "Name Unavailable"
Never underestimate Dan Heng's twin brother 🤣
Real 😭
And they are both dragons
@@TernaryTomcat34im sad gi doesnt have like "upgrades" of the same character. I would pay for a zhongli dragon form as dps to see him as much as possible
Your comment reminds me of that one artist that drew Dan Heng as Zhongli and Guizhong's child, and they even made a lil lore that Dan Heng is short because Guizhong didn't have any milk to feed him lmaoo
@ he is pretty tall ok 170cm
My theory is he’s a Vidyadhara (Honkai Star Rail) that came to Teyvat a very long time ago. He some how ascended, which woke up the dragon blood in him thus making him the first Adepti.
When bro's memory is so good he can remember shit erased lol
I recently stumbled upon a reddit post analyzing Zhongli based on chinese translations, even his name has its own history, in literal translation it means to gather and to depart. And no before any shipper comes at me with their simplistic "Zhongli took his hame from Guizhong" do your research first, his name was carefully chosen and it has IRL history in it.
Zhongli is so old you can say he still owes 5 mora to jesus
Jesus is roughly 2030 years old and Zhongli is 6000, he probably thinks Jesus lived pretty recently lmao
Zhongli has the curse of OSMATHUS WINE...
Osmathus wine tastes the same as I remember
@@MadzMibut where are the people who share the mememory
At the end of the day him and venti have the goddamn answers we’ve been looking for for 4 years
The neat part is THEY DO and we meet with them every year, worse, we're pretty chill with both of them lmao
Rocks are very ancient they remember anything
Why does Zhongli get more sus over time. Out of all the archons he just feels the weirdest or strangest to me.
Am I the only one thats shocked that such an old character (literally) still has so much uncovered lore this far into the game?
Not really. He’s not that old
@Pre4xes_ His first banner came out at december 1. 2020 thats pretty old
There are a ton of characters who has very important lore/parts to play in the future story. like Kaeya and Albedo. Diluc (we knpw far less ofhim than we like to admit)
@@pepita2437 true! Honestly I feel like 60% of the characters should play a bigger role than they do now, hope they will in the future
@aku2136 I mean most characters’ lore is unknown. They don’t reveal that much. It’s not surprising
Fun Fact: "Historia Antiqua" means "Ancient History" in Latin, while "Lapis Dei" means "Stone of God" or "God of Stone" (Finally putting my two years of Latin to work bro)
Isn’t one of the theories that Morax is directly related to the First Descender? One of his shades or even possibly a son, if I’m remembering the theory correctly.
He also shares the cube theme with the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was there when the Dragon Sovereigns were dethroned-or even played an active role in it.
He’s very suspicious overall. I hope we get to see Neuvillette judge him.
Neuvillette would remember zhongli if that was the case
How do we know @@Pre4xes_
@@Pre4xes_ who says he doesn’t know him? Did I miss something?
@@Pre4xes_Neuvi is the reincarnation of the hydro sovereign. As we see, his memory obviously was not recovered in the reincarnation.
@ThawminTheChildEaterForgive me if I'm wrong, but I saw someone say that he got all his memories back after a certain event
I dont think hes the only one whos not from this world. Just look at Zhonglis about Xiao voiceline:
"You speak of the young adeptus of Guili Plains... *sigh* Still fulfilling his duty to this very day. Please give this Remedium Tertiorum to him on my behalf. Oh, yes... be sure not to let Paimon eat them. Nothing of this world can withstand the power of this medicine."
It makes sense that Xiao wouldnt be from this world either if Zhongli wasnt. This also shouls comfirm that Paimon is from Teyvat. (this could all just be stupid stuff but i noticed this a long time ago when i was looking at zhonglis voicelines and i was suprised when no one brought it up)
Nice catch.
Interesting, I took it to mean that Xiao was just really strong but this makes more sense.
@@AndrewsMobsthe adepti are from the light realm
We love Zhongli and Venti, they're the most mysterious mf in the game, cuz one of them still remembers the original Dendro Archon and the other one has a sussy voice line.
Zhongli actually doesn’t remember about rukkhadevata since he talks about how nahida saved irminsul from FK which was done by rukkhadevata. Ig he knows about there being a person before nahida but doesn’t remember who.
@@Pre4xes_ He seems to have partial memory otherwise he wouldn't know about someone being there before.
Only supports the theory that he is an outlander.
neuvillette's story quest also has a diff name than his constellation which just makes geo daddy even more sus
Neuvillete story quest also does not match his constellation. Although, this might be because he came up with this name randomly to entertain Melusines.
Neuvillette is a soverity dragon, not an archon. This is supposed to be a connection through the archons, rather than both archon and soverity dragon. I hope this makes sense ^^
Also Neuvi's constellation is actually just a reflection of himself as the sky was created after the defeat of the dragons.
Also Neuvillette's demo is titled as such: Neuvillette, watcher in the deep.
The title of Zhongli's demo is: The Listener.
Iof title dk but that choice was not accidental.
That’s true
@@nat_weirdd they weren't talking about a connection, they were simply mentionning this weird coincidence :D
Before he is an archon, he is a really i mean REALLY powerful adepti, he then ascend to godhood, he is possibly so old that he witness lot of things but maybe calestia erasses some of his memories OR locked it (his hand might be the "locked memories")
I remember that the adepti were actually in Teyvat even before celestia came...
And if he has a contract with celestia, I think It was to protect himself and the adepti
(In the unawekened dream it's revealed that he is actually the ancient geo dragon, because he fufilled his contract of some sorts (the contract with celestia I think) then he turns into his dragon form and "dies" by turning into rock){That's actually the video where they show Venti good of time}
Yeah, but Zhongli is the Prime Adeptus, and even after Fujin became one herself, she claims that the ones illuminated by Morax are pure. Hence that means that Zhongli is a completely different breed
Which begs the question, what is an Adeptus supposed to be? Zhongli’s own form isn’t even a dragon, it’s one of his many, which he states is a dragon-qilin Exuvia
@@juanagallegoaragena7110 the unawakened dream video is fanmade for hoyofair event, not official
@@chimk1nb055 I know
Pretty sure we knew from *somewhere* that he was one of the descenders.
He is hiding some stuff though, why are his arms like that? How did he know all of that stuff? Why is he so powerful to have been such a menace during the Archon war? What about his "dragon" form? Is he a dragon of some sort?
What? No, he is said to have "descended to Teyvat" this does not make him a Decender, just an Outlander.
@@vict632 I think, it was the book called "Rex Incognito"
I was wrong it's not that
It's actually "Stone Tablet Compilations: Vol. I"
@@hinomi107he’s not even an outlander. It’s a translation error in en. It says something like born in cn
He’s not even in the top 20 bro. Stop glazing bro
Im still convinced that he is „The second who came“. There are just so many details
FUN(OR SCARY) FACT: Zhongli's statue is the only one who doesn't hold an oculos of his element on his hands.. Instead he holds a cube.. And we all know what character has a deep relation with cubes.
It’s to do with how elements represents shades of PO. Space-Geo, life-hydro, death-pyro, time-anemo
@@Pre4xes_ Tihis still doesn't explain why every other archon holds a spehere, except Zhongli.
Not to mention there was four shade, not seven.
@@pepita2437 yeah and? It’s the prime elements. Wind, earth, water and fire. Even says it on the alchemy bench. Geo=Earth=Space, Pyro=Fire=Death, Hydro=Water=Life, Anemo=Wind=Time. It’s literally there, What do you not understand? The other 3 elements don’t equal to any shade
@@Pre4xes_The original comment referred to how Zhongli statue alone holds a cube and not an oculus and here you went connecting the four elements to the four shades...
@@MetaKnight12 yeah and I was saying why he's holding a cube
He's literally a textbook manipulator too bruh.
The deleted voiceline talking about how he hasn't been back to celestia in a long time.
I SWEAR HE'S A PLOTTWIST ANTAGONIST.
HE WENT TO CELESTIA!,! ! OMG
I heard some lore crafters say that he might have been associated with the shade of space, similar to how venti is associated with the shade of time, which may have something to do with him remembering some unknown facts because he may not be from teyvat exactly but idk
Well the Lore Archon already said that Zhongli is not from Teyvat 2 years ago
This is why hes my Favorite CHARACTER! theres still so much mystery and loree to uncover and hopefully Hoyo willl get to it 😅
I did zhonglis story quest way way late, after the irminsil quests, and i tell you i flipped out when he wanted us as a backup
I love Zhongli’s lore bro
Venti and zhongli are hiding so much, and im here for it to be a plot twist lol
What in the osmanthus wine
Zhongli is like the traveler a witness he said this on his quest. He told the traveler that like him he was a witness so he wanted the traveler to know the truth in case something happend to him. Also mention he wasnt from teyvat
I have watched a cool theory some time ago. So, we know that Zhongli is like.. old. One of the original archons, but even older than Venti. Maybe he existed even before primordial one came to teyvat and changed the sky? His constellation changed after the change of the sky, and that’s why his story quest’s title is different since it uses his old constellation
That sounds really cool, can you please explain this a bit more for me? I don't know if I just missed some epic lore drop while I played, or if I haven't gotten to that part yet, but I would love to hear it!
@ I don’t really know how to explain the whole theory lol- for the video search “wei Zhongli” and you should see a video titled: “Zhongli has been hiding this for 2 years” or something like that! :3
Neuvillette would recognize him though. He would know if zhongli was there from the beginning.
@@Pre4xes_ Not really.
Neuvillette is just a reincarnation of the hydro sovereign, and he is missing most of the memories of the prvious Hydro sovereighn too(he literally told this during aconversation with th treaveler)
Hold on, his constellation changed?
Videos like these pointing out really cool details even about older characters always feel like a friendly reminder that by visiting all 7 nations the game won't end. Genshin has way too complex lore for it to end just by us finding our twin
Creepy? Na he’s just cool!!! And there is a reason he’s my favorite!
Him and Venti are the two last original archons. Venti hides a lot of things too, and people seemed to forget that part.
the best archon istg i love him, for the part where is implied that he is not from teyvat, correct me if i’m wrong, but i think i remember something in the game saying he “descended” in teyvat six thousand years before the time of the game, so i strongly believe on this ig
He will forever be my favorite, I can’t describe how much I love Zhongli 🗣️ his character is so intricate
I'm the "brospff10" of your live, just when I make a meme about Zhongli, you post a video lol, happy to lose brain cells ♥️
Zhongli also stated "history can not easily be changed." MOST people say you can't change the past, and yet he KNEW you could. This was before Sumeru, before Inazuma (I believe). He knows far too much and I believe that's exactly why he was put under a contract of silence. Going off what I learned in Natlan in the recent quest, I can't help but wonder what would happen if he broke that contract.
And he literally seen everything I mean he is 6k years old if he talks it’s over
He already told as he is not from teyvat in indirect way
Really?
@ultimatebishoujo29 he said that he dwelt on teyvat 6000 year ago in the archon quest
Does prove anything dude
Still hoping to get zhonglis outfit of him wearing the hood in the cutscenes. I would love to walk around looking like that. Super cool!!
Bro is 6000 years old of course he had secrets, prehaps he also is one of the 4 that came from another world, like the hevenly principles and traveler
He actually might be since he LITERALLY said that he isn’t from tayvat
Plot twist he's the missing Long of Permanence in HSR.
The fact the Aeon disappeared all of a sudden too.
He's the strongest that's all
Zhongli my GOAT after all these years he's still the character with the most aura in lore
Otto? is that you?
(*But really, I'm trying to find how some HI3 characters got into Teyvat, as in...
Unknown god - K[REDACTED]
Venti - Wendy
Raiden Ei - Raiden Mei
Nahida - *Unknown
Furina/Neuvillette - *Unknown
Mavuika - Mutara Himeko
"the Tsaritsa" - Seele/Bronya(?)
Zhongli - "Void Archives"(?)
Capitano in genshin is tryna save Mavuika (Himeko) and
Welt in Hsr is tryna save Himeko.
Both have a mysterious past identity going on, Mavuika says Capitano is FAMILIAR.
AHEM, as I further introduce, WELT OF GENSHIN, CAPITANO.
I always thought Nahida was similar to Theresa Apocolypse.
Nahida not Teriri ???? that's a balsphemy 😂
Zhongli's relationship to Void Archives is uncanny but not far fetched if you know him good enough
POV :When Zhongli starts turning into Inbibitor lunae
There’s a ton of reasons why there are theories portray Zhongli has the primordial one. All the more hilarious why he avoids neuvillette. I recommend watching da Wei’s theory for this. Because Zhongli is easily the most suspicious character in the game
Nah, he ain’r beating venti.
Bros NOT the primordial one. If we were to go on evidence it would likely make more sense if king irmin was PO
@@Pre4xes_ King Irmin?? Lmao
@@MadzMi Venti is overrated, nowhere near as sus as Zhongli.
We don't even know what Zhongli actually is, with Venti we know his origin and the majority of his story.
The Primordial One is a descender, Zhongli is affected by Irminsul and isn't listed as one of the descenders.
Not only that but Zhongli simply isn't anywhere strong enough, he could barely beat a sovereign whilst PO absolutely demolished all the sovereigns AND their king
Just the sheer difference in strength alone disproves this, that being said Zhongli is likely a Celestial god.
The older u are the more experience and knowledge u have
Wasnt there evidence there he wasnt from teyvat.
The last one is actually that Zhongli prefers younger women in his life
The fact that he's a dragon, created another dragon, but isn't a dragon sovereign, and isn't bound by the laws of Teyvat, makes it seem like he's a descender.
Though, Neuvillette also doesn't share constellation name with his story quest, and he's a dragon too. Which would give more credit to Zhongli also being a dragon.
I wonder, was he a dragon who allied himself with Celestia, but something happened that made them drop him to Teyvat?
But honestly, with Genshin's tendency to abandon old plot points, I don't have much faith he will matter at all towards the end of the game.
People: you should start concerning abt ur life,
Me: ...
I thought he was wearing gloves or something
Most archons till Nahida were creepy in some way. Then there's just humans with archon powers
is it possibly because he is a dragon sovereign? He was chosen to be the archon while he is also the sovereign for his religion. Neuvillete is not archon but he is the dragon sovereign. Maybe his special connection with being both dragon and archon gives him protection from certain ailments of teyvat
Heavenly principles aren’t aa stupid as to make one of their enemies an archon. I’m pretty sure that they would killed him rather then make him their subject to prevent future risks. Of course he might be a sovereign If heavenly principles didn’t know he was one.
If he was, Neuvillette wouldn't be so set on judging him, nor would he treat Morax as one of the usurpers
@@MadzMi? It mentions in the game multiple times from books to adep that some of the dragons sovereign’s betrayed the dragons because they knew they were going to lose? And considering besides the dead electric dragon we haven’t met the geo dragon ( the dragon we battle in the story was a blind earth spirit that zhogli gave a dragon shaped form to, not the geo dragon) also it seems like the dragons aren’t affected by the leyline tampering? Many theorize that the dragon’s cons are based on the old sky since neuviellte story isn’t based on his con as well. Plus in Japanese and Chinese in the Rex lapis book it says that zhogli was demoted (not descended or whatever mistranslation that the English got). Demoted from what they don’t say but the common theory with the Japanese fans is demoted from being sovereign
@@TVZ5Qfighting where was it ever mentioned in the game that some sovereigns betrayed dragons? If it’s is some book, give me title. If in somewhere else, tell me where. My point still stands that heavenly principles would made one of their (past?) enemies one of the 7 god’s holding the most power in tayvat.
@@TVZ5Qfighting and about demoted part, I think he was demoted from celestia rather than from being a sovereign
He was already sus when he refused to answer our questions regarding our sibling.
He is also the only archon we have no idea the origin of, only speculation.
He is one of the desenders. He was dropping off hints in the different quests he was in. So he is not from this world, like the traveler. He also shares similar physical features with the unknown god like their eyes. On the statues of the seven, the archons hold spheres, but Zhongli is the only one who holds a cube.
He’s not a descender. Outlander at best, even though it says born or something like that in cn. So we can’t be sure if he’s an outlander or a native. He’s definitely not a descender though
@@Pre4xes_ in Cn it says he was demoted
@@baki577 oh guess I was wrong but still demoted isn’t descended so far there’s no proof that’s he an outlander
@@Pre4xes_That's not the only thing you were wrong about buddy.
His species of dragon also stands out from the one we fight during the wind archon quest line . Actually, his species of dragon in mythology just left into unknown instead of going extinct. If i recall correctly, could his species of dragon actually be able to travel between worlds? And the curse could be that he's bound to teyvat and can't leave
Imagine is he turns out to be a Vidyadhara. Maybe one of the 5 scions of permanence? Or even the Aeon of Permanence himself. Didn't he just disappear all of a sudden?
There was a leak some time ago that spoil a lot and not so much at the same time
That tsarine, venti and zhongli were preparing something huge
Those leaks are just assumptions made by leakers. They are not true
I mean, it IS a big part of his lore that he Remembers everything and that's both a blessing and curse, so it kinda makes sense that he remembers that Nahida isn't an og part of the seven? Like maybe he had a contract involving that or something in the past
That ! actually people forget that if he were to forget anything, there should have been no need for that "contract" to begin with
Also he doesn’t forget anything probably bc irminsul doesn’t apply on him bc he isn’t from tayvat
Zhongli/Morax is 6000 years old, so yeah, he holds a lot of secrets. During the Archon War, he popped up in Liyue out of nowhere to fight for his place and was only known as the first Adepti? Sounds questionable already.
China has a big respect with Dragons as their leadership so Zhongli still holds the potential to be the Geo sovereign.
Why would they make their ENEMY, the archon?
They killed the sovereigns, so either Zhongli made it seem as if Azhdaha the geo sovereign, then lock him up so that he could survive.
Zhongli is a smart man, BUT ALSO, as we know those who aren’t connected to Irminsul (Like Mc) won’t be affected by any changes, so therefore.
He could be a descender… though there’s not much on this..
I don't think Neuvillette would be after him if he was one of his kind. Plus, design details says otherwise
@ThawminTheChildEater correction. It's not the Archon who killed/slain/defeated the Sovereigns... It's the Celestia who is Phanes himself and his Four Shades.
Neuvilette judges the Seven because he died back then and only came back years ago in the form of a human now known as Neuvilette. he simply judges them because the Seven joined the Celestia making them his enemy.
The Archons(except Venti) already betrayed the Celestia meaning they're no longer enemies to Neuvilette.
@@soju-woo I know the archons didn’t, by they I mean the heavenly principles.
I’ve had a weird inkling with Zhongli for so long now. I was starting to think I was crazy. Thank you.
Also is has the biggest cake of teyvat
Fun fact, Neuvillette's cons is named Leviathan Judicator, but his quest is Diluvies chapter
I'm starting to the dragons, at least the dragons that can take human form, are either from a species that no longer exists or are descendants from something not of teyvat.
So if this guys is a descender then my guy neuvillette was is dead if he gose to fight this guy
It makes no sense for Zhongli to be a descender, the first is the primordial, the second died in battle and apparently the 3rd became Gnosis, the 4th is the protagonist. He is prob a outlander.
@hinomi107 the primordial is not the first as he created the world as we know it the one that die became the Gnosis the second one is the first it's like the fatui where we thought the captain was the second but turn out he is the first
@@hinomi107 I have seen a theory that just like how we have Moon Sisters, why can’t we have Sun Brothers? King Deshret seemed to also be able to make gold, and is always depicted as a sun. His temple is also filled with the same symbol that’s on Zhongli’s back.
Zhongli also has a sun theme going on.
So while unlikely to a Descender. I think at the very least he may be related to one.
@Sky-8754 No? It is literally said and thrown in our faces that PO is the heavenly principles, and that HP are the first descender, just like in Byakuya's collection in Enkanomiya they pretty much confirm that the second one that came is literally the second one that was able to go in front of the heavens glow. We are confirmed that the 3rd was transformed into Gnosis via Surtalogi's teachings to Skirk (as well as some items that say this was apparently a deal) and that the protagonist is the 4th.
The greatest proof that PO was the first (apart from the confirmations we have) is that he was the first to have a strong enough will and strength to usurp the world of Teyvat and reshape it to his desire, thus dividing the 3 planes and the purging of the abyss that was brought by "TSWC from the heavens" using sapphire nails.
It is worth remembering that the classification of "descender" was created by the Fatuus (although others have used other terms, such as the cross of narcissus from the Fontaine WQ).
@@hiiamelecktro4985 Yes, I also imagine that he probably has involvement with some descender (i theorize it's the 3rd) since he is also bound by the rules of this world and has made a contract with Celestia not to say anything.
Well zhogli is the most intriguing character in the game. He knows the history of the world but is under contract not to say (makes you wonder if some one can't control him). Also he can't be eroded by the world.
It's only natural that the oldest of archons had secrets, especially after 6000 years
That would mean he’s either the first or second descender which could potentially make sense since he still remembers rukkdehata being the predecessor of nahida but the only way that would be true is if in his next story quest we get the knowledge of morax not being from teyvat
But when I called him descender all those time ago reddit folk tried to kill me 😂
What if Zhong Li isnt avoiding Neuvillete because Neuvillete wants to judge the Archons,...but because Neuvillete may recognize him as something else?
I’m guessing maybe he remembers Rukkhadevata because he was one of the original archons? 🤷♀️
No venti don’t remember her but it’s bc zhongli isn’t from tayvat he is from another world
this is EXACTLY WHY i absolutely love zhongli's detail thingy bro hes cool
I just realized every archon that was from the original 7 like venti and zhongli they are hiding something 😭
He might have made a contract with arlechino
They're absolutely waiting too long to make these things pay off I swear
Even worse if they fumble the reveal or just drop it comoletely. But I'm holding out hope that with their insistence of revealing new things about him the (Deus Auri only came about in Fontaine) the further we get that they haven't abandoned it yet.
‘Zhongli is incredibly-‘ HOT I THINK YOU MEAN, DID YOU SEE THAT FIRST IMAGE OF HIM SHOWN
My take of Zhongli is the first MC of teyvat and just finished his purpose that is why he just waiting for the final war
More zhongli lore. Thank you i have more material to create my delusions now