The Ultimate Test: Black 4.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 3.0 - Which is the Darkest Paint in the world?
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- The blackest Paint in the world?
Hooley dooley my friends, today we are testing out the 3 darkest most blackest paints money can buy.
Black 3.0 by Stuart Semple, Musou Black from Japan and the brand spanky new Black 4.0.
These paints are all what we call, ultra black.
When you see them in comparision to a shall we say normal paints, you'll see exactly why.
These paints are Darker than dark, blacker than black and three very unique very weird paints. What the claim here is that these paints reflect less light back to us, making them appear like they are actually absorbing the light.
I've looked at the claimed light absorbtion numbers with all three of thes epaints and there is less than 1% between them.
But what does that mean in a practical sense? Is there a noticeable difference for us?
In today's Review were going to test them all out and compare
We are looking at Primed vs non primed results, 3d object test and of course the scratch test to see how tough this paint actually is.
Which is the darkest paint in the world? Lets find out!
Visit culturehustle.com/ to get yourself Black 3.0 AND Black 4.0
Visit www.the-black-market.com/ to get yourself some Musou Black
0:00 - The Introduction
0:50 - The story of Vanta Black, Anish Kapoor and Stuart Semple
2:45 - Defining Black in Art
3:44 - Black 3.0 A look at the Paint and Unboxing
4:24 - Musou Black A look at the Paint and Packaging
5:03 - Black 4.0 a look at the Paint and Unboxing
7:05 - Test 1 : Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 Swatching unprimed on paper
15:28 - Test 1 : How strong is Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 unprimed (scratch test)
17:44 - Test 2 - Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 Swatching Primed on board
22:39 - Test 2 - How strong is Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 Primed on board (scratch test)
23:41 - Test 3 - Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 Painting on simple 3d Objects
26:32 - Test 4 - Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 Painting on complex 3d Objects
31:20 - Test 5 - Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 using them in art
31:13 - Conclusions - Black 3.0 vs Musou Black vs Black 4.0 which is darker and which is more usable?
Hope you enjoy!
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I can’t believe I watched paint dry for 40 minutes! 😂 Great video, was super interesting and now I want to paint everything ultra black!
To be fair every one of those paints is very fun to use!
musou looks like the clear winner here.
Musou smells like the clear winner here 😂
Except that I, for one, would not be willing to put up with the fumes she states come with using it. I don't care how black it is if I can't use it.
@@MrsRen there are no fumes. It’s just paint. I have all these paints they don’t smell any worse either. In fact there’s actually information MSDS for musou black and no information for culture hustle paints (I’m sure they’re fine they just don’t have them)
@@MrsRen i have musou black and used for spraying as well as brush work ...what smell ?
little to none and what i can smell is not a horendous smell as she portrays
@@tafrog5552 Both of you are ignoring the fact that people have different noses and sensitivity to smells. Just because you don't smell something doesn't mean others won't.
what an underrated channel! the production looked high budget so i thought this was a 100k ish channel :O
Feel free to invite your friends 😂. Thankyou for the compliment tho ☺️
I recently used black 3.0 on a painting I did on a wood panel. Love the finish when it dries - however - if you are planning to seal the painting (which you almost have to - I'll explain in a sec) the spray varnishes/finishes will almost ruin it's matte finish. It works better over the top of a sealed painting. Also, whatever you do - NEVER, and I mean never, let it drip, spit, trickle or fall onto an area where it will stand out. The stuff stains EVERYTHING. The instant it falls onto raw wood, canvas, etc., the material will be stained. I had three drips and had to end up using a dremel tool to 'carve' out the area where the paint fell = use it over something that has been sealed - it will help with clean up and cut down on staining issues. Thanks for the video - I can't wait to try the other paints.
Sound like I’m just lucky didnt spill any. This is unusual for me as I’m a messy painter 😂. Glad you enjoyed!
Now that I know the pros and cons. I'm going with black 3.0. My eldest son gave permission for me to paint murals in his room and I have been taking my brain for the ceiling until about a week or so ago. Doing a glow in the dark galaxy sky on the ceiling and I think black 3.0 would be perfect to make the glowing POP💥💥🌟✨✨💥. Can't wait to get started now thanks for the review.
No worries! Glad it’s helped! That’s a great idea for an ultra black. Are you going to use lesser blacks for star clouds and the ultra for the void? Or just all black 3.0?
This video was more interesting than I originally thought it would be. I think you also did a really good job on the last test. Must have been really hard to find a way to integrate those blacks into your “normal” works…
Geo! 😂 you may have seen in stream the three or four painting styles I tried before selling on this one. Everything else was just too blobby and dominant.
I was actually considering doing a black and white portrait again but wanted to add some color.
Really glad you liked it! I suspect this video will be the one I’ve put the most effort into but will get the lowest views 😂
Have you tried adding just a tad of water to the Black 4.0? It decreases the tackiness and improves coverage and leveling. Comparing 3.0 with 4.0 when their viscosities have been matched shows 4.0 to be less reflective in my test.
Interesting! I haven’t, I was going to do some research to work out how I could thin it enough to use in an airbrush. So you’re using just straight tap water not distilled?
@@StuffBySunshine Yes, straight tap water. Just as with regular acrylic paint, you can thin with up to about 35% water without destroying the ability of the paint to form a film with good integrity. To dilute the pigment or decrease the opacity further, it’s generally best to use a medium (matte or gloss). But because 4.0 is more matte than matte medium, the reflectivity would actually increase. So water is the ticket for improving the wettability of both the paper and the brush (dampen both, just as you would with watercolor) and for improving leveling (and hence blackness!).
Distilled water would be fine, too.
By far the best test/review I have seen on those product, thanks for the work 😃
Thankyou and no worries! I tried to make it as comprehensive as possible to a point I figured I was boring people ☺️. Thanks for watching paint dry with me!
I have never watched an Art / Paint review video in my life but I managed to watch all 38 minutes, great video! 😊
38 minutes of watching paint dry😂! Glad you enjoyed your first art review video ☺️💜
This is a really fascinating subject, and you did a great job presenting it. Glad you're back, and thanks for taking the time to put these together!
Thankyou! I honestly didn’t expect to do so much (or so long) for this video but they are just such interesting paints.💜🎨!
This video is exceptionally well done! I feel very well informed about all these paints! Great job!
Thankyou! I’m glad you weren’t frightened off by the length 😂
Wow, thank you so much for that comprehensive test you put a ton work into that! Definitely liked and subscribed!!
Thankyou! That one did take a while 😂. It seems to be mostly artists who watch my stuff, so gotta make sure it’s comprehensive enough they can make there own minds up ☺️
Thank you so much. This is the best comparative test I have seen for these paints in practical applications.
No worries glad you’ve enjoyed and hope it’s helped you ☺️💜
Excellent display of performance and testing of these paints, very helpful in making a purchasing decision, thanks Sunshine!
Thankyou! Glad it helped you ☺️💜
You're talking about tiny differences in percentage light absorption, but it makes a very big difference in well lit conditions. Fighting over fractions of a percent and the quantum mechanics of how they absorb light makes the application method extremely important, and obviously that's airbrushing. Hopefully you can try that out too, great video.
I'd love to try airbrushing one day, particularly for tests like this! It seems like it would be much more consistent then the paint brush!
Awesome tests! Thank you! This is not what I expected.
Glad it helped!
Wow, I have no need of your other videos (not my stuff) but damn girl, Your review of those paints is deep, well thought and great connected into single video that I watch from left to right. Great job! Consider exploring other topic like those paints as your review it top ! I will sub and see what future brings.
Thankyou very much! Glad you enjoyed ☺️
Fantastic video, brilliant production quality. Informative as hell. I’m going to be painting a balrog miniature on my channel with the blackest paint I can. I’ll be sure to credit you in my research. 🤘
Thankyou! Glad you liked it.
Oh nice! Are you going to use multiple blacks to get darker and darker shadows or just an ultra black for all the darks? I’ll have to have a hunt for the video when it comes out ☺️
@@StuffBySunshine I think I’ll be airbrushing just the one black so he’s pure shadows as he is in the books description. 🙂
It’d be interesting to see, I’m finding using ultra blacks work best when combined with normal blacks. The eye recognises the normal black as “black” and the ultra blacks as a deeper darker blacker black. It’s great for contrast. Good luck with your Balrog!
@@StuffBySunshine Interesting, I shall have to experiment!
This is pretty fantastic. Breaking the video up was very helpful.
Glad you liked it!☺️💜
Great video and great production. +1 sub!
Thankyou glad you enjoyed!
I just ordered the Musou for the inside of my telescope, because now it's more dark grey, and some parts are shiny black anodized aluminium which cause reflections.
The blacker the inside, the higher the contrast will be, and therefore a better image.
Your video was very helpful, because I wanted to know how strong it was 👍😁
Many Thanks 👌
Wonderful! Glad it helped ☺️. I’ve been using it to coat the inside of lens hoods for that exact reason 😊
If you can afford the increased material thickness (and monetary cost), the fabrics provided by the same company as mosou are even blacker, so at least worth consideration for telescopes and lenses / lens hoods. Having said that, the paint is of course a lot more versatile
I am really looking forward to the possibility of further testing of these 3 paints, using an airbrush. As they are likely to need thinning for that test anyway, I would be interested in another side-by-side using a paintbrush but thinned to much more similar viscosities, as i wonder if some of the 'raw' properties of 4.0 ended up working against it
@@BobSmun It's quite thick, so I painted the first layer with a brush, and it caused fine stripes.
So the second layer I diluted the paint a bit, and it dried very evenly, and looks almost like it's paintbrushed 👍.
I'm very satisfied with the end result, and my telescope is pitch black inside.
Puzzles me, that i was instructed to use 3 coats and a hair dryer between every layer of black 3.0 🤔 Surely this make all of the paints better yet? Very profesionally made testing, the facemask really showed how dedicated you are 👌
That’s interesting! I usually use a hair dryer on water floor but it effects the way it drys quite substantially so I intentionally decided to not use one on the blacks for that reason. I didn’t or hadn’t read that black 3.0 suggested it, it could be that using the heat and the quick dry makes the particles stand vertical giving us more of a velvet finish? I’ll have to experiment and see.
Thankyou, glad you enjoyed ☺️💜
this was super informing. I've been researching what paint to cover a giant concrete thumb with and I originally was going to go with black 4.0. The musou performed way better I'm so glad i saw this before I went ahead with the project!
Glad it helped ☺️. Good luck on your thumb!💜
Very informative!
Thank u for this professional test! I am a scientist and u worked like one to find the most brutal colour which is blacker than the blackest black on the market....Metal🤘 So all hail to Musou 🙌
Glad you enjoyed! This did take a ton of time so I’m glad people are enjoying it 💜☺️
@@StuffBySunshine I appreciate it! This colours are very expensive and U are a professional artist. If I would test these I would ask myself....do I use the wrong surface, brush or technique....because on the paper of refractory index measures Black 4.0 should be the darkest. But the thing is how U measure. So what U did was a reality check. And this is easier said than done because U need to erase all of your own expectations. I really enjoyed it!
This was a really fantastic and thorough review of the paints and certainly saved me some money ;). I have used the Musuo Black several times (mainly to eliminate any stray reflections from light barriers in photography) and I have a bottle on my desk now. I have never noticed any real odor from the paint. But to be fair I also have some Black 3.0 (my comparison of the two pretty well matched yours) and I never noticed a coffee smell. I swear I do have a sense of smell.
Really? That’s so strange? I had a headache for days. Did your smell when you initially opened it? I’m wondering if it’s something that burns off after a while.
Yes my black 3.0 is the same now, no smell. Apparently it ages tho and becomes less black as time goes on so I’m assuming the smell is an indicator of that
@@StuffBySunshine No my bottle never had any real odor and a year later it's still just as black.
After watching your video I saw another of a guy who painted his SUV with Musuo Black. He never mentioned a smell or wore protective gear.
I wonder if you got an off bottle?
Maybe, I’d been warned about it before I got it by other artists. I’m wondering if there is a difference between the Asian branded Musou and the English? Mine still smells like death in a jar so perhaps they have difference based upon where they are intended for?
@@StuffBySunshine Mine is the English branded bottle. Perhaps that's the difference? The video of the guy painting his car is called "The World’s Blackest Car." He goes through maybe a dozen or so bottles and doesn't mention odor.
video quality is that of a million subscriber channel. well done. you deserve more subscribers.
Thankyou! Haha i do my best :)
Brilliant video, thank you for the insight.
My pleasure! 😊
Thank you very much for this very complete test.
It confirms my test on the black 3.0 which is more a dark grey.
Indeed I do artprints with sublimation and the black I get with sublimation is way blacker than the 3.0.
However, sublimation printings are not as flat.
I am a little bit obsessed with black color because I want my images to float in the air
No worries at all! Glad you enjoyed it.
Have you done any tests to see how much blacker the sublimation ink is to acrylic paints?
I’m assuming you’re using a machine so it would likely be putting down a very even coat.
In think I’ll borrow an airbrush just for my own curiosity and see how back these paints are vs the brush method. Black that looks like holes in space is the ultimate goal!💜
Hi, well, sublimation is a printing technique that consists of sublimating an ink onto a specific plate (Chromaluxe) at high temperature. The result is extremely high contrast and deep blacks.
However, the finish remains glossy or satin, and you don't get the flatness of the paints you've tested.
I'll try to make a video that I'll invite you to watch.@@StuffBySunshine
Funny! Just searched for information on how to make Musou Black more durable and found this video. When playing it, I realized I know this person! Great video, keep up the good work, Sunshine!
I’m making my very first sculpture and I needed the blackest paint thank you so much for this video it helped soooooo much
Glad I could help!
id say the way these paints were showcased was more thorough than most videos i find, the performance of each paint was quite interesting, especially when they were overexposed to the studio light. musou still reigns supreme as the "blackest black" the shade is so...black? idk, i just rly like it compared to blck 4.0. musou black looks the closest to form a "2d" effect. well done!
Yeah it does (musou gives the best result that is), I think I’ll get myself an airbrush because I just expected so much more from Black 4.0 and it want there. Future videos!
I’m not an artist, nor will I probably ever use these products; however, I stayed for the whole video! (I created a YT account just to leave this comment) Thank you!
Well that made me smile! I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊
I can appreciate the effort of picking a black dress
😂 thankyou! Had to be an ultimate black dress as well ☺️
I didn’t know that the Darkest Blacks paints existed 😮 Also Cecil stay way from the Acrylic paint 😂
I’m not 100% sure how we’re going to test them on stream 😂 may have to do a full stream in my face mask !
@@StuffBySunshine At least if people come into your stream and see you wearing a mask, you jokingly tell them that your getting ready for an apocalypse 😂
Could be a whole vibe! Apocalypse chic!
@@StuffBySunshine I can totally see that 😂
Thank you for this Video☺️👍🏻
Is there a varnish/finish/firnis for musou black to protect the surface?
No worries 💜☺️. Unfortunately no, not as far as I know. The surface of these paints is a matte finish and what that means is if you add a coating to that, it’ll reflect light thus remove some of its “blackness”. I’m sure if your happy for it not to be quite as light absorbent then any spray would do☺️
Fantastic test. I was wondering what the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 was as I have a project using sculptures that will be lightly handled, so it needs to be fairly hard-wearing.
Looking at this, from the difference in price, the application problems and durability, along with little noticeable difference in the blackness, I will be going with 3.0, (applied by airbrush).
I had not heard of the Musou before, but I have read elsewhere it has a habit of flaking and falling off after a few weeks. Along with the vile smell, I think I will avoid that.
Also worth noting, there is also a Black 2.0, which is considerably cheaper, so I might look at priming a few coats of that before top coating with Black 3.0
Thanks for that! It’s been a while since I’ve used the paints and so far nothing has fallen off Jeff (the skull) but the 4.0 and Musou still feel delicate so the flaking may be a thing.
Good luck with your project ☺️💜!
When looking at all of them from above in regular room conditions,it's definetly the Musou black that looks the darkest.
The light on each of these definitely makes a huge difference to how black they are! 😊
Thank you for doing these comparison tests (other channels just evaluate one at a time) - Very very useful indeed!. Note: Black Musou is bloody expensive at the moment and Black 3.0 is more reasonable - people are buying the most recent cos they think it is the best. I'm off to buy 3.0 cos I'm cheap and it does not stick . All the best from the UK!
Haha I think that’s a great idea, I think the 3.0 turned out to be my preference too 😊
Thanks so very much for this comparison!! Which, if any, would you recommend to incorporate into a wall mural over latex paint? Don't have the funds to do a test! Thanks!
No worries! Honestly I have no idea, they are all such unforgiving paint with what they are going down over. I would suspect black 3.0 is the strongest BUT that’s just a guess. Could you prime the latex paint first? If that was the case they should all work exactly like you see here
I've been working with all three of them for a little while now. I personally use them interchangeably depending on the project. An you'll have a better time painting Black 3.0/4.0. by thinning it with some water, sure it will need more coats but you'll have more control. For spray painting black 3.0 an 4.0 (though thinned) and Musou Black for painting detail work. But admittedly I would use Musou Black more if it didn't just stink so so badly, the smell can allmost cling to things.
Naw, my personal gripe is trying to find a matte sealant that won't screw with its effect.
I haven't even been able to test out Culture Hustles own Matte Coat they made for it *because they seemingly rarely ever restock.*
Sunshine this was eye opening. You did an excellent job and get an airbrush…seriously…it will open interesting doors.
Thankyou! Haha a few people have mentioned I need an airbrush, I’ll put it on the future Wishlist ☺️
25:30 Cos I'm such a child, I couldn't help but giggle! 🙄😂
I agree. The Misou immediately stands out as blacker.
Great test, I think the education combined with an attractive host was no accident. 😂 I got what I want d which was to see if the Mousou was as I thought, blacker than the black 4.0 and this video confirmed it. Cheers.
Haha thank you :P Glad it helped clarify things for you!
I am reluctant to try Musou, as I worry about the scent of it, but I may have to. I have been wanting to do a dramatic, highly contrasting art piece with a black background and heavily pigmented focal subject but have been reluctant to use my Black. Yes, it's not 2, 3, or 4. It's Semple's OG Black. It's nice but it dries quite 'chalky' looking and while it does absorb light, it's got an almost grey appearance to it when light hits it. I am a huge fan of Japanese-made art and stationary supplies however and if Musou is the most pitch-black (per say), I may have to invest in it eventually to try.
Sounds like an awesome project!
Yeah in terms of the light absorption I definitely think musou would work well. If it helps, it doesn’t continue to smell once it’s dried!
Awesome video and accent.
Thank you! 😃 I grew it myself! The accent not the video😂
Sold me on Musou.
Haha that was again a cool test!
I find it very interesting that the Black 3.0 smells like coffee (one of the best aromas out there) vs the Musou Black with its weapons-grade stank. 😹
Also I think the “musou” here probably means “peerless”… so a peerless black, which it definitely has proven to be true here.
And, definitely, the scientist in me wonders how those look like when airbrushed… I assume that, once you get down to these ultra blacks, surface texture (or rather, the lack thereof) should play a huge part in reaching the maximum light absorption levels. We’ll see, if you ever get down to trying them with the airbrush.
That being said, the brush test honestly sounds like the most useful, as that’s really the most convenient form of application in art pieces! 😺
I think the coffee smell it was an intentional thing from the maker. I Didn’t mention it but I was really curious as to how the black 4.0 would smell. Slightly disappointed they didn’t bother either it😕.
I think I’d have to do some experimenting with thinners to make both the 3.0 and definitely the 4.0 thinner before they would work with an airbrush. But yeah when I get an airbrush (eventually) I’ll do something. Maybe just a live stream as after 40 minutes of black people are likely sick of it 😂
Black 2.0 smelled lovely, like black cherry. 3.0 was a let down.
What! Daaaamn I’m sorry I missed that one
Does the musou smell go away?
@@bal4cars Yes it does, I Used Muso on next weeks video (goldest Gold) and its still there but much less of a problem. I think its whatever they use to thin the paint which burns off after usage
nice video!
Thanks! Glad you liked ☺️💜
@@StuffBySunshine 👍
really well done tests!
I was looking for a comparative review of the ultrablack pigments, not for artistic application but for telescope internals coating and I found it. My telescope tube has an internal "black" that looks like a washed gray compared to these pigments.
Glad it could help! I’d make sure no matter which one you use you let it fully gas out before you put your scope back together. That way there’s no chance it’ll damage your optics ☺️
That's been an issue I've had with expensive paints in the past, amazing effects but durability issues. i prefer to sacrifice light fastness for durability as my work is archived and not exposed to daylight.
I know this is intended as a model paint, however i see the issue with durability is even more a factor, as to protect the paint you would have to apply a clear protective coating, which most likely effects the blackness.
It seems to me to be a novelty for people with an expertise in modeling and crafting, with the disposable income.
a lot of the issues you demonstrated are reasons I gave up acrylics for water colors. apart form my love for water colors as an expressive medium.
If I did pick up acrylic paints again, I feel my experience would be, that I would purchased them as a novelty, hold onto to them because they were expensive, then after a couple of years, either try to gave them away to a serious crafts person, or sought means to properly dispose of them.
with regular paints - if they scrape or peal, i can give then away to a student artist who would be happy to receive them.
less money for better durability and almost as black, seems a better option.
I think I probably could have done a lightfast test with these as well as it took me so long to film (atleast a day between coats) but I didn’t actually think of that till the end.
I’m not exactly sure what it’s primarily intended for, I really wanted to compare these paints but it wasn’t until I hit the art section filming a few weeks in, that I started looking at what people were doing with these paints. True there are some model painters but there’s a lot who seem to be just trying it and seeing what happens.
To be fair the cheap acrylic really had few issues other than not being super dark. But I guess yeah acrylic does sit on top while watercolor embeds so there’s always the worry it’ll come off.
I didn’t talk costs but at last look the black 3.0 is cheaper than the 4.0 and about the same as the Musou. It’s a bit more $$ than premium acrylic paint but in line with something that’s made in such small batches.
If you get a chance in the future you should try it, its a fun experience ☺️💜
@@StuffBySunshine not my jam.
Gunna buy you some for your birthday 💜😝. Haha all good mate I’m not gunna be a paint pusher☺️
In your tests, you even called out Musou being thinner than 4.0. I had issues with the Black 3.0 and Black 4.0 when I first used them, too. However, if you thin it down with water, it ends up being more like Musou and is easier to work with (hence why you think an airbrush might be better).
I think if I ever did a project with 4.0 I’d look to use an airbrush and then thin it as well for that. I’ve since used the Musou in my gold test video (it’ll be out one day) primarily just because it’s paint and go ie I don’t have to do anything special like the black 4.0. There’s a certain charm to just grabbing a paint and going😂
@@StuffBySunshine This is true. The type of acrylic painting I do generally requires me to mix my paints anyway, so it's not an extra step. I do agree, though, that the Musou did appear blacker in your video.
yes I use the Musou but rarely touch the black 3.0 or 4.0.
Were you able to seal Jeff in any way so that the paint did not flake or crumb off? If so, do you have any pictures or tips?
No I haven’t tried yet. I any in the future but really haven’t had any thought as to what I’d use to do so
What sort of primer did you use, acrylic or enamel? It seemed very shiny. Also, be careful with mdf, it's full of formaldehyde and arsenic
Matte acrylic, though as it comes out of a can it’s a bit shiny due to the light unfortunately. Will do ☺️
Would be good to see all used in an airbrush.. From all the other viral vids I’ve watched airbrush seems to rid the painterly lines and musou being thinner is best for that as well
True it does, although I decided to use a brush as your supposed to be able to (you can obviously) and I don’t own an airbrush. In time I may buy one and do something large scale , but this will have to do for now☺️
I might use musou for panel lining on model kits I build. Hopefully, it looks good.
That sounds like it would look amazing!
it appears I'm a little late to the party, but this was fantastic. I wanted to buy some black 4.0 for some mini painting. However what's the fun of a miniature if i can't let ppl pick it up to get a closer look, it's for fun not a museum piece! I'm gonna try to get my hands on Musou black. it looks the best IMO. thanks
No worries at all and never too late! Glad it’s helped make your decision ☺️💜
Woh! I was not expecting you to be here when I clicked on the video. Awesome to find you in the wilds of RUclips Sunshine!
P.S. Clicked the video trying to find blacks for coating equipment. You're totally ontop of it I see.
I'm re-furbishing some camera lenses and while I have them apart I was going to give the inside barrel a coat in one of these super black paints. Ironically, these blacks would look blacker if there were fewer internal reflections inside the camera lens barrel, which scatters light across the camera sensor.
Oh this would be so interesting to see what happens with the blacks! I hope it works really well for you 😊
I use 3.0 as a base coat on some of my warhammer minis. I mix in a lot of paint thinner so I can slide it around more easilly and then with a very fine brush do a light base coat on the minis.
Oh that’s a great idea! Do you find it’s still easy enough to apply the other paint on top?
@@StuffBySunshine usually it's not too bad. My hands shake a lot so I use very thin coats. The 3.0 hides a lot of minor details in the minis but it works well as a shader and to deepen camo patterns.
Apart from the noxious smell, I got the impression that the Musou black was designed to perform almost like a traditional Japanese calligraphy ink. If you've never seen how that ink is made, they craft it from pure black carbon soot. But judging from your tests, I'd be inclined to lean toward Black 3.0 for general purpose projects.
And in case no one else mentions it, how did you manage to pick out a dress for this video which looks blacker on camera than any of the paints you were testing? I love that you dressed for the test, because the dress was the best.
Hmm interesting. Yes, I've seen the process of how they make those traditional black Japanese inks and its just mesmerizing. I'd love to get my hands on some one day!
Haha I honestly didn't think my dress was going to be so black on camera! But lets say it was a happy accident?
Would love a comparison with nova color #109 Carbon Black ofc might not be blackest but how would it compare in every other respect to musou would be interesting especially for the money.
Interesting, I actually hadn’t heard of nova color carbon black. Looking at the site it doesn’t offer much in the way of light absorption data. It also states it has a slight sheen so it may not be that black. Certainly cheap enough tho! I’ll have to grab some and test it one of these days ☺️
Why didn't you thin out the black 4.0? I really feel like you didn't give the black 4.0 what it needs to really shine. Airbrushing and thinning it out
Predominantly because it didn’t specify to do that. I wanted to try them all exactly as they came and it’s supposed to be a paint you can use without thinning. I think all three paints would have worked far better with thinning and airbrushing multiple thin layers but that’s not how many artists plan on using them, thus this test 💜
could i potentially use this to dye fabrics? faux fur, cortton, ect
i want to have the blackest black cloak around
that is at least what my solution is until a more proper fabric is manufactured
I don’t think so, the way it drys it’d likely just powder away. I do think Musou has a range of material tho, which may be exactly what you want ☺️
think it's worth noting that Black 3.0 and 4.0 are WAY easier to use over superbase (also my fave primer) also made by culture hustle.
That’s interesting, I found the 3.0 to be pretty robust but while culture hustle suggests both super base and black 3.0 as primers for the 4.0 I didn’t see a huge amount of difference using the 3.0 as a primer.
I’ll have to grab some super base and check it out ☺️
@@StuffBySunshine OH hi hello! :D didn't expect to see a reply haha.
Yeah superbase is m a g i c stuff
😂 I’m just a smol RUclipsr. I’m get so excited when anyone watches my stuff I always try and reply☺️.
Really? That sounds like some great stuff! Apparently the black 3 and black 4 ages once the bottle is open (a few people have mentioned this) does the super base last a while? Postage is so expensive it’s usually cheaper for me to buy a larger amount.
Different people are sensitive to different smells. I've painted things with Musou black, and I didn't even notice a smell. I opened it up after watching this video, and yeah, there is a smell, but to me it's not offensive and I had to put my nose practically in the bottle to smell it. For me, a respirator is definitely not necessary. I do have one just like yours, but really only break it out for truly obnoxious products like polyester casting resin, most epoxy glues (especially the plastic repair types), and 3D resin printer resin.
Interestingly I used it yesterday to paint the eyes of a golden skull. It’s much much better than when I first opened it. I’m wondering if wherever they use as a thinner “burns off” over time. When I originally used it my friend who was here had headaches for ages so yeah it was bad, tho not so anymore 🤔
@@StuffBySunshine You may also have gotten unlucky, and had a bottle that got overheated in shipping. Musou Black's MSDS describes it as having only stable polymers with a "slight acrylic odor", but if you heat acrylic paint, the polymers can break down into acrylate monomers which have a nasty, acrid odor that are detectibly offensive even at less than 1 part per million.
Interesting to see how badly the paints stuck to primer. Presumably there are different kinds of primer (for example different primers are used depending on the metal being painted) so maybe there is a better primer for these paints?
There’s are and black 4.0 has a few suggestions (including black 3.0 which we tried). I’m sure if you spent some time you’d find something that bonds a bit better, but I just used a general primer I use for a lot of other art works as I figured it was a good example☺️
Will you consider keeping Jeff as a background prop? 👀
Can confirm he’s living on my shelf for next episode!
black 4.0 needs to be sprayed, so the flakes are dry when they hit
Not sure you know what opaque means. You appear to be using it to describe the gaps, or see through areas of the paint. Maybe I’m misunderstanding?
Musou you need to spay to get even surface, the paint brush marks reflect light .
All three mix and thin with water?
Apparently so, although I haven’t tried to do so yet. I want to try using them with an airbrush so I’m likely going to see how they thin in the future
Aaaand the winner is... Your outfit!
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musou for the win and tbh the black 3.0 is actually blacker than the 4.0
I really wish you would've had black 3.0 right next to 4.0. Doesn't look like much of a difference.
Well I spaced them out based brightest to darkest upon the reported light absorption amount. In theory if everything was what it claimed it should have been lightest to darkest. 🤷♀️
Looks like Stuwart's trying to balance the colorant with it not being seemingly toxic.
Yes likely, I’m not sure what he uses but it’s definitely much less toxic than the Musou
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is it toxic tho? all the safety info seems basic for working with any paint i don't see anything special here....
Interesting, that data sheet describes it as a slightly acrylic odor😂. Not sure how they define slightly as it’s definitely not slightly anything
You are getting a scammy fire hazard heater ad coming up in this video.
Ugh I’m not monetized so it’s youtube running all these adds for RUclips. Sorry I have no control over that
I want to know what the blackest ink is
No idea! We may have to test it ☺️
I appreciate this video so much but I feel it is a major loss to not have invested 60 to 150 in a cheap airbrush to compare
Straight up because I’m a painter that and none of these paints are specifically for air brush’s. I may do a test with an airbrush just for a future video but for myself I just wanted to see how they handled straight out of the bottle ☺️
@@StuffBySunshine that would be really cool to see! I left another comment mentioning thinning the black 4.0 and I think that would probably help as well. Have an awesome day
"Moo-soh" not mewsew. It means "unmatched" or "without peer" in japanese
Thank you :)
I think that Musou is darker because their use of strong chemicals alows them to use substances with deeper absorbtion levels. I think I'd have issues using such paints, as I'm sensitive to smells. 3.0 and 4.0 are designed to be handled with a very soft brush, instead of an airbrush, so they dont need such aggressive dilutants, nor specialised equipment.
I also find Musou's marketing tactics to be extremely decieving and shady. Their website comparisons are photoshopped and/or faked, making Black 3.0 look like cheap acrylic. Not to mention advertising via "we painted a car" while stating that its not for automotive use. The paint also damages the painted surfaces and may cause them to crack or melt/shrink.
Ultimately, this is just a rooster measuring contest between companies, and both Musou and Black would perform admirably. I think that Musou is for advanced painters, who really need that edge case issue solved, while Black can be handled by a kid with a brush. At one point or another, black is black enough, and unless you're painting specialised equipment, and know what you're doing, I'd go for Black 3.0, not only because it's easier to use, but also because their advertising isn't based on "look how shit this other company is, look at our undisclosed sponsorships!"
unexpected production quality for the sub count. strange
Musou black, it will destroy the competition (And your lungs too if you don't wear a good quality painters mask😂) :)
But it is super black!
For sure, I think you might be interested in seeing that stuff used as spray paint for a car, it looks absolutely wild... The video is titled Spraying a Car in the WORLD'S BLACKEST Paint (Darker than Vanta Black?)@@StuffBySunshine
Who else thinks that if this woman were to step into direct sunlight, she would burst into flames?
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You should have watered 4.0 down a little
Yeah people have said that, but the point of the test is to try It “as it comes”. At the time (they may say so now) there was no recommendation to thin any of the paint so I just followed best practices from each website.
@@StuffBySunshine yeah I get you. But I’m sure the makes say add water to the 4.0 as well but great video. I was thinking about getting one of the paints and using it on old vintage lenses. Take them apart and paint them to boost contrast and the like with the paints. Still not sure which to go for though but great video thank you.
nice presentation :)
here they sprayed a car with black 4.0 and there is a difference in how it is applied: ruclips.net/video/Ll27OkWuE1g/видео.html
when you look at what color the scraped off black 4.0 "heaps" are (darker than the painted on bit right next to it) that would perhaps illustrate that a structured surface has a function in its properties. perhaps not too durable, however.
Interesting! I’ve seen that video and yeah I did wonder how long the paint would last, particularly on a moving car. It’d be fun to see the car a week, a month and a year after 😂
Musou black def looks the darkest
Vantablack?
You can’t get vantablack as one artist has copyright for it. Thus is a review of the paints you can actually buy
@@StuffBySunshine oooow i just commented before knowing that.. But you told us why we can't..thank you🙏🏻
No worries! Hope you liked the video ☺️
I thought those were supposed to not reflect light.
No they reflect back LESS light, the idea paint would be one that doesn’t but as I understand that’s currently impossible (with our tech level)
Technically Musou should be pronounced like "Moo (like cow but shorter) So"
😂 I tried! I watched a heap of videos on how to pronounce it but still said it every which way
good god i can only imagine what it must smeell like to a dog
or any creature with a strogner nose to that of a human
I can definitely tell you my dog made himself scarce!
Sorry fam, but 40 mins to find out which one is the best? Thank Keanu Reeves for the comment section.
Well to be fair this video is so you can make your own mind up. You gotta be able to see the tests with your own eyeballs to know that ☺️💜
why not just buy an airbrush its probably cheaper than these paints.
Well because this is a review of the paint. Sure, pretty certain these would be darker with an airbrush as you wouldn’t see the paint strokes but that’s a different review
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Vanta black is the worlds blackest black, 99.9
Yes, but sadly impossible to get and impossible to use without the proper equipment (if you miraculously get the chance to grab some).
Musou looks the blackest, but given your description of the smell, I’ll stick with 3.0. Especially since I love Stuart Semple. (He’s a mental health activist, and does a lot of charity work.)
FYI, when running into language issues, load Google Translate on your phone, turn on the camera setting, and watch/read your computer or tablet through the phone. Enjoy!
Yeah I definitely think that 3.0 is the easiest to use! I love Stuart Semples work too he seems like a good egg 🙂
Great tip with the google translate too, thanks!
You should have tried Donald Trump’s soul