I once considered getting a masters in marine archaeology, but instead became a geologist. I really appreciate this episode, as I always told my geology peers to leave artifacts alone if they find them in the field, having understood it from my archaeology classes. The geologist in me would say the same for fossils. Their in situ is just as important as in situ for archaeology its not just what you find, but where and how.
Going into this episode, my feeling is that the trope is so popular because it's a pirate-y activity that can be including in G rated media. The main thing pirates did, steal from people using the threat of violence, isn't going to fly in media for a 5 year old who's obsessed with pirates (at least not from most parents), so pirates are turned into treasure hunters, often with the origins of the pirate treasure they're searching for not being mentioned.
Thank you Joel for presenting this. I normally shy away from the topic of pirates and treasure for exactly these reasons, however you present the facts and truths that we have lost behind the façade of the modern media concept of pirates. Keep up the good work!
I was really impressed with the Steamboat Arabia Museum in Kansas City - and that was a case where a group of private people banded together to excavate a fully loaded steamboat that sank in 1856. They kept the collection together - part of the museum experience is talking with staff who do conservation. I was also able to talk to one of the original members of the team; maybe this was cheeky (okay, it was), but I asked him if they had made back their initial investment. He responded by saying that they didn't owe the bank any money anymore, but that doing this type of archaeology isn't a great way to make money. So I'd say that this could be a second example of people unaffiliated with an institution making responsible choices with sunken treasure. (And what a treasure! Go see it!)
After a big storm or a hurricane people usually find silver or gold coins along the Treasure Coast. My uncle is friends with a guy that found a whole shipwreck just outside of Jupiter Inlet. Crazy to think this is only part of what lie beneath the ocean.
I think there should be government funded incentives to keep the sites intact, a bit like the financial incentives in the UK for turning over archaeological discoveries to the government. People who only care about money won't stop unless they have a financial incentive. I know various countries deal with this problem in many different ways.
Marine archeology is a pretty major degree at my Alma mater UWF because of our town history as a port town for multiple colonial nations. The university museum is almost entirely full of marine archeology recoveries. It's an awesome degree field that my degree worked closely with.
I feel much of the same feeling, hearing "ok there was this one instance of one buried treasure, and one map to a sunken ship full of treasure, and now that's all anyone thinks about", as I do when I remember Pokemon fans finding one Great Ball in a garbage can on the S.S. Anne in Generation 1, and we've been checking every garbage can ever since. Had a nautical theme, too, even.
I'd just like to point out that you missed a golden opportunity to use the clip of Captain Jack Sparrow saying "Not all treasure is silver and gold, mate" from the first POTC movie. 😋 (Yes I'm aware it might've been a copyright issue, it just would've been perfect at a couple different points in this video.)
I think samuel Bellamy is one of my ancestors I would have to check my family tree to be sure though one of my relatives researched the family liniage all the way back to the 1500s. I know there are a few sailors on the list.
0:50 It didn't occur to you that if there were treasure buried in your mom's flower garden, that your mom would have already found it when she planted the flowers?
And yet the Whydah Museum still continues to use inaccurate depictions of pirates. Further Barry Clifford angered UNESCO the other year for the botched dig in Madagascar.
Why so eager to preserve this stuff when in a couple thousand years it will probably be one line of code wherever? Everything will be lost at some point. I do love archeology btw, just my pessimistic take on the issue. Shipwrecks are unique for archeological study because everything Is left there, not selected items like in graves or collections. Even stuff that was usually thrown away. Such a deep insight into the lives of people.
Hey, you forgot the movie Treasure Island. The book is better. And they kept out the secret reason why Long John Silver wanted his share of the treasure. Read the book.😊
This “documentary” is full of erroneous claims. There are several reputable salvage companies that share their finds with the public. Unfortunately the so-called academics that aren’t associated with these reputable salvage companies make these erroneous claims saying it’s extremely rare these finds are shared with the public. They try and suggest that if you profit from such operations you destroy the sites and are only interested in treasure. These undertakings are EXTREMELY time consuming and very expensive. Most of the research takes years and precedes any salvage operations. The suggestions things should be left in-situ is mind boggling. At some point they’ll be nothing left. It will all be gone. You rarely learn anything new by evaluating the site. The real danger to these sites is demanding things be left in place, as well as fisherman doing bottom trawling. These fishing nets have destroyed 100’s if not 1000’s of wreck sites. PBS should do better research before putting out such nonsense.
Joel Cook is rapidly becoming my favorite PBS host. His stories and presentation are always fascinating.
If he didnt say otherwise I would assume hes a professional actor just doing a great hosting job.
I once considered getting a masters in marine archaeology, but instead became a geologist. I really appreciate this episode, as I always told my geology peers to leave artifacts alone if they find them in the field, having understood it from my archaeology classes. The geologist in me would say the same for fossils. Their in situ is just as important as in situ for archaeology its not just what you find, but where and how.
PBS needs to do a series about people doing the dream jobs they wanted to do as children.
I would watch that!
You're a marine archaeologist? That's the coolest thing I've ever heard.
There's a few episodes of Time Team where they do marine archaeology, they show you the types of things people do in the field. Great stuff!
What a beautiful speech at the end!
Going into this episode, my feeling is that the trope is so popular because it's a pirate-y activity that can be including in G rated media. The main thing pirates did, steal from people using the threat of violence, isn't going to fly in media for a 5 year old who's obsessed with pirates (at least not from most parents), so pirates are turned into treasure hunters, often with the origins of the pirate treasure they're searching for not being mentioned.
Joel, I'm sure your mom laughs about the flower garden excavations... now 😂💖
Thank you Joel for presenting this. I normally shy away from the topic of pirates and treasure for exactly these reasons, however you present the facts and truths that we have lost behind the façade of the modern media concept of pirates. Keep up the good work!
Love this serie! Marine archaeologists merits to be known!
We all wanted to be marine biologists growing up- but only because we hadn't heard of marine archeologists!
I was really impressed with the Steamboat Arabia Museum in Kansas City - and that was a case where a group of private people banded together to excavate a fully loaded steamboat that sank in 1856. They kept the collection together - part of the museum experience is talking with staff who do conservation. I was also able to talk to one of the original members of the team; maybe this was cheeky (okay, it was), but I asked him if they had made back their initial investment. He responded by saying that they didn't owe the bank any money anymore, but that doing this type of archaeology isn't a great way to make money. So I'd say that this could be a second example of people unaffiliated with an institution making responsible choices with sunken treasure. (And what a treasure! Go see it!)
I love Joel. I hope we continue to see more of him.
After a big storm or a hurricane people usually find silver or gold coins along the Treasure Coast. My uncle is friends with a guy that found a whole shipwreck just outside of Jupiter Inlet. Crazy to think this is only part of what lie beneath the ocean.
I think there should be government funded incentives to keep the sites intact, a bit like the financial incentives in the UK for turning over archaeological discoveries to the government. People who only care about money won't stop unless they have a financial incentive. I know various countries deal with this problem in many different ways.
Excellent video!! Thank you!! Very cool, that Joel's a marine archeologists!
Marine archeology is a pretty major degree at my Alma mater UWF because of our town history as a port town for multiple colonial nations. The university museum is almost entirely full of marine archeology recoveries. It's an awesome degree field that my degree worked closely with.
Well said. Thanks.
Great vid❤ have you heard of the 17th century dress they found on a wrecksite in the Netherlands?
People always look over here for shipwreck bc of spanish gold (stolen and exploited natives in order to obtain it).
Wow that's a freaking awesome career!
"It belongs in a museum!!!!"
Which museums were featured in this video? They looked really interesting
O.M.F.G!!!! Our host literally dives for pirate treasure when he’s not teaching us about pirates!!!???
GTFO! This guy is too fucking cool!
I feel much of the same feeling, hearing "ok there was this one instance of one buried treasure, and one map to a sunken ship full of treasure, and now that's all anyone thinks about", as I do when I remember Pokemon fans finding one Great Ball in a garbage can on the S.S. Anne in Generation 1, and we've been checking every garbage can ever since. Had a nautical theme, too, even.
I'd just like to point out that you missed a golden opportunity to use the clip of Captain Jack Sparrow saying "Not all treasure is silver and gold, mate" from the first POTC movie. 😋 (Yes I'm aware it might've been a copyright issue, it just would've been perfect at a couple different points in this video.)
But isn't the REAL treasure the friendships we made along the way?
Man this dude is cool!
excellant
Now to find a way for Joel Cook to do a video with Irving Finkel about Mesopotamian pirates...
3:45 - Turn on subtitles. Accidental Maritime-Archeology Pun Ahoy!
I think samuel Bellamy is one of my ancestors I would have to check my family tree to be sure though one of my relatives researched the family liniage all the way back to the 1500s. I know there are a few sailors on the list.
So you telling us is that the One Piece is real, but not quite like we imagine it?
0:50 It didn't occur to you that if there were treasure buried in your mom's flower garden, that your mom would have already found it when she planted the flowers?
Give up for archaeology!!! I love hearing anthropologists talk about their work. Marine archaeology is so cool.
And yet the Whydah Museum still continues to use inaccurate depictions of pirates. Further Barry Clifford angered UNESCO the other year for the botched dig in Madagascar.
First to treasure 🏴☠️ !!
Why so eager to preserve this stuff when in a couple thousand years it will probably be one line of code wherever? Everything will be lost at some point.
I do love archeology btw, just my pessimistic take on the issue. Shipwrecks are unique for archeological study because everything Is left there, not selected items like in graves or collections. Even stuff that was usually thrown away. Such a deep insight into the lives of people.
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Hey, you forgot the movie Treasure Island. The book is better. And they kept out the secret reason why Long John Silver wanted his share of the treasure. Read the book.😊
Lots of his shipwreaks in belize waters
You're like a glowed-up Levar Burton! But you don't have to take MY word for it 😉
Is it just me, or was the audio peaking really bad in this episode?
This “documentary” is full of erroneous claims. There are several reputable salvage companies that share their finds with the public. Unfortunately the so-called academics that aren’t associated with these reputable salvage companies make these erroneous claims saying it’s extremely rare these finds are shared with the public. They try and suggest that if you profit from such operations you destroy the sites and are only interested in treasure. These undertakings are EXTREMELY time consuming and very expensive. Most of the research takes years and precedes any salvage operations. The suggestions things should be left in-situ is mind boggling. At some point they’ll be nothing left. It will all be gone. You rarely learn anything new by evaluating the site. The real danger to these sites is demanding things be left in place, as well as fisherman doing bottom trawling. These fishing nets have destroyed 100’s if not 1000’s of wreck sites. PBS should do better research before putting out such nonsense.
Is someone at PBS trying to piss off the CCP? 😂
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