Absolutely loving how Sanskrit is Eurocentric, but Tsez, a literal European language, isn't, and it even manages to suffer from Eurocentricity At least it was relieving to hear that 'ɹow.ən the Great himself graciously deigned not to cancel linguistics altogether in spite of all of its dire transgressions
Another fascinating video! :) I always find cases to be overblown as well. I'm studying Hungarian and many of the cases feel just like postpositions glued to the nouns. It's really not that hard
Thank you very much! I think any feature that isn't commonly found in Western European languages (other than basque) will be percieved as very complex and difficult. We're very biased towards certain languages being the standard that other languages are compared to.
So basically it has 64 cases, but some cases are so close that it heavily depends on what you mean by "case" or how widely used a "case" has to be to be called a "case" or if combined cases are cases on their own.
My man dropped 2 of the most well put together and easy to understand linguistics videos related to nonwestern nonindo-european languages and dropped off the face of the earth. My guy come back your videos are great! Legit probably my favorite linguistics youtuber if you uploaded another video lol
I am a tsez. İs our language important really ? Our history is not clear. We live in Turkey but our origin is from daghestan. Why our language difficult and complex ı don't know
It's all around us all the time. Also, imo, a "fusional" language is basically any synthetic language that isn't strictly agglutinative. At least in my opinion it's a bit of a null term.
Hello, crazy guy who subscribes himself to every language channel in existence here! I'm glad to inform I've found you and have successfully compulsively subscribed myself! But for real though, great video! lol
Buen video, que tan posible es un video igual a este pero explicando los +50 casos del Tabasaro (otro idioma hablado al sur de Daguestan) No c que tan cierto sea, pero por ahi dicen que otra peculiaridad del Tsez es que es un idioma super irregular
That’s not really what suffixaufnahme is. Suffixaufnahme is a pretty specific phenomenon where a genitive noun agrees in case with the noun it’s modifying, almost like an adjective. It is not when case suffixes stack and modify each other’s meanings. Or perhaps I misunderstood what you said in the video
Tsezi, they are also Didoi, a very warlike people. the only people in Russia who became part of the Russian empire without accepting the allegiance of the tsar. There is not one Dido village that would have surrendered in the Russian-Caucasian war of the 18th century. each Didoy village was taken by storm and with heavy losses. the Russians lost a huge number of troops in order to conquer the Tses, in the entire history of the Russian-Caucasian war, three army generals were killed, two of whom were killed by the Didoi. such an army general as Vrevsky was killed during the storming of the Dido village of Kituri. the tsarist army lost a general and more than 100 senior officer ranks in this battle, the army was demaralized by a small but brave people.
well according to this logic, if we can just claim that stacking cases in a predictable pattern makes it actually more cases... Finnish students are in trouble because we're going over 100 easily. Clearly the most difficult language ever invented and Tsez is actually child's play in comparison. Honestly is there ever a language where the cases neatly map into very specific and distinct parts and don't depend on each other to some degree? Tsez seems fairly unique, but its definitely not the only non-eurocentric language that has seemingly strange features. I should know, because trying to learn English as a Finnish speaker was rather peculiar and difficult because its just almost like from another world
The aim of this video wasn't necessarily to say that any given language is easier or harder based on it's number of noun cases. It was really just to explore the claim that tsez has 64 different noun cases, and what that actually means.
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 I was making fun of the idea that Tsez would have 64 noun cases, which as seen in the video, is clearly not correct. Nor did I say anything about number of noun cases making a language harder to learn.
Wouldn't the "away from the inside of a hollow object" be inablative, and not contablative? Cont- is for "masses", and not "the inside of a hollow object", yes? If it was a mistake I can't hold it against you, as I find the Tsez ablative and allative to be very difficult to understand.
@@josephkim689 that's the point. If I can think of a point to make or an idea to discuss, then I'll gladly do a video on the northwest caucasian languages.
idk. Every language is absolute grammatical madness, it's just that a lot of the madness is just things we're useful and see as normal. A "basic" English sentence like "the man has gone to the store" might take a whole lot of explaining for someone on the other side of the world
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Absolutely loving how Sanskrit is Eurocentric, but Tsez, a literal European language, isn't, and it even manages to suffer from Eurocentricity
At least it was relieving to hear that 'ɹow.ən the Great himself graciously deigned not to cancel linguistics altogether in spite of all of its dire transgressions
Another fascinating video! :) I always find cases to be overblown as well. I'm studying Hungarian and many of the cases feel just like postpositions glued to the nouns. It's really not that hard
Thank you very much! I think any feature that isn't commonly found in Western European languages (other than basque) will be percieved as very complex and difficult. We're very biased towards certain languages being the standard that other languages are compared to.
So basically it has 64 cases, but some cases are so close that it heavily depends on what you mean by "case" or how widely used a "case" has to be to be called a "case" or if combined cases are cases on their own.
Pretty much. It may have 64 cases, but it doesn't have 64 unique suffixes that you have to memorise.
My man dropped 2 of the most well put together and easy to understand linguistics videos related to nonwestern nonindo-european languages and dropped off the face of the earth. My guy come back your videos are great! Legit probably my favorite linguistics youtuber if you uploaded another video lol
The only video about Tsez in RUclips. Subscribed.
Glad to hear my video is popular with tsez fans
видео есть очень много но именно на английском или на других языках нет. Благодарю автора.
I think this guy just dropped a banger and quit immediately
I think you'll find i dropped two (2) bangers
I am a tsez. İs our language important really ?
Our history is not clear. We live in Turkey but our origin is from daghestan. Why our language difficult and complex ı don't know
Я тоже tsez Didoec
@@ozakademii Türkiye'de nasılsınız kan kardeşlerim?
what's happened to this channel it's so good-
so cool to see an agglutinative language in the process of fusion
It's all around us all the time. Also, imo, a "fusional" language is basically any synthetic language that isn't strictly agglutinative. At least in my opinion it's a bit of a null term.
also see estonian which has been becoming more fusional and compare it to finnish which is still almost completely agglutinative
i'm on what must be like my third watch of this video and
i love how after 6:31 the video slowly devolves into grammatical madness
the dative being described as the same as a case that means "to" in the form of location marking is quite Eurocentric of you ;)
It's crosslinguistically very common for the dative to also be used to encode direction
Hello, crazy guy who subscribes himself to every language channel in existence here! I'm glad to inform I've found you and have successfully compulsively subscribed myself!
But for real though, great video! lol
It depends who Tsez so.
Buen video, que tan posible es un video igual a este pero explicando los +50 casos del Tabasaro (otro idioma hablado al sur de Daguestan)
No c que tan cierto sea, pero por ahi dicen que otra peculiaridad del Tsez es que es un idioma super irregular
_my third video is on its way_ ;-;
Great vid! I thought the bit on evidentiality was a segway for the sponsor of the video, Ground News 😂
could you imagine
In Pali language there are one more "Ablative" means to remove, from, but and cause of....
That’s not really what suffixaufnahme is. Suffixaufnahme is a pretty specific phenomenon where a genitive noun agrees in case with the noun it’s modifying, almost like an adjective. It is not when case suffixes stack and modify each other’s meanings. Or perhaps I misunderstood what you said in the video
This channel is gonna get big.
It would if I ever uploaded another video ever
Tsezi, they are also Didoi, a very warlike people. the only people in Russia who became part of the Russian empire without accepting the allegiance of the tsar. There is not one Dido village that would have surrendered in the Russian-Caucasian war of the 18th century. each Didoy village was taken by storm and with heavy losses. the Russians lost a huge number of troops in order to conquer the Tses, in the entire history of the Russian-Caucasian war, three army generals were killed, two of whom were killed by the Didoi. such an army general as Vrevsky was killed during the storming of the Dido village of Kituri. the tsarist army lost a general and more than 100 senior officer ranks in this battle, the army was demaralized by a small but brave people.
I would say only Indo European fusional case systems really count as case systems. Everything else is just postpositions
this video should have millions of views, especially from linguists 😇
well according to this logic, if we can just claim that stacking cases in a predictable pattern makes it actually more cases... Finnish students are in trouble because we're going over 100 easily. Clearly the most difficult language ever invented and Tsez is actually child's play in comparison. Honestly is there ever a language where the cases neatly map into very specific and distinct parts and don't depend on each other to some degree? Tsez seems fairly unique, but its definitely not the only non-eurocentric language that has seemingly strange features. I should know, because trying to learn English as a Finnish speaker was rather peculiar and difficult because its just almost like from another world
The aim of this video wasn't necessarily to say that any given language is easier or harder based on it's number of noun cases. It was really just to explore the claim that tsez has 64 different noun cases, and what that actually means.
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 I was making fun of the idea that Tsez would have 64 noun cases, which as seen in the video, is clearly not correct. Nor did I say anything about number of noun cases making a language harder to learn.
"my third video is on its way"
YOU LIAR
I mean, it was never not gonna come eventually
good stuff, this guy better be still making videos
he stopped after 2 videos
Yeah, it's a shame. Hopefully he comes back soon, though.
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 lol
Czech mentioned! yay :)
Awesome video. Thank you!!
12:50 well that was a lie :(
Wouldn't the "away from the inside of a hollow object" be inablative, and not contablative? Cont- is for "masses", and not "the inside of a hollow object", yes? If it was a mistake I can't hold it against you, as I find the Tsez ablative and allative to be very difficult to understand.
this video was from before I studied Latin in an official setting, so I'm just gonna avoid eye contact and say that that's why I made the mistake
Sound should study the descendants of Indo-European companions!
What do you mean by that?
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 languages families that existed alongside PIE
14 cases is still too many damn cases
Not really because its basically just postpositions being attached to the noun
amazing vid
Im Tsez , good job bro)
real recognises real
Мой дидойский язык❤❤❤
The question is, if that pronouns are used at this modern time at same time?
:o
Can you do Northwest Caucasian languages
I might. It depends on what I have to say about them, to be honest.
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 Like what?
@@josephkim689 that's the point. If I can think of a point to make or an idea to discuss, then I'll gladly do a video on the northwest caucasian languages.
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 can you do the verbal morphology?
@@rowandoeslanguages9282 I know someone who does Northwest Caucasian languages
When caucasian language: absolut grammatical madness
idk. Every language is absolute grammatical madness, it's just that a lot of the madness is just things we're useful and see as normal. A "basic" English sentence like "the man has gone to the store" might take a whole lot of explaining for someone on the other side of the world
great video, hoping to see more linguistics content in the future!
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