It also helps that in the books they said Korra couldn't speak to the next Avatar as she cut herself out of the cycle both before and after so uhh ain't gonna be able to tell which is which by who they talk to in past lives because neither would have any given there previous incarnation died in the avatar state and the other accidentally cut contacts with a thousand years of knowledge oops
some of these leaks sounds interesting, but whats annoying is that we still have lot of unanswered questions from the original series and the legend of korra e.g. how did sokka die or what happened to him, what happened to the kyoshi warriors & why weren't they in the legend of korra, what happened to the sandbenders and foggy swamp tribe.
This reads like fanfiction and I know this because I LITTERALLY WROTE ALMOST EXACTLY THIS SAME THING! No seriously, the premise of my story involves the Dark Avatar and Light Avatar clashing over the course of the entire series, granted Korra is the light avatar in that scenario but that's beside the point.
Clown, you didn't write anything, you just based your fanfic off of what creators had already established. We already had a dark avatar in legend of korra, it was literally unalaaq. The dark avatar already existed before Pavi and Nisha and the creators are clearly delving deeper into that.
Probably steal or read stuff from fans. Honestly, you should make sure your work wasn't plagiarized. Because some of these companies like Viacom or paramount or Disney do balent IP rip off from fan works because they own the IP and think derivative works belong to them and also creative inspiration and licensing requirements protect them from future misuse through patent or deed IP. They also have money and lawyer muscle to challenge any rivals or artists or creatives that challenge them somehow.
i think the worst, maybe even the only bad idea that has came out of this franchise is the idea of a "dark" avatar or "dark" spirits.or just rava and vatu in general. any other idea has some good things about it but this one just goes against everything that was established in ATLA. yet for some reason they keep bringing up this idea like it's the best one they've ever had
I mean, I have no reason to believe this, but maybe this whole dual Avatar thing is precisely about balance between order and chaos?! I'm really hoping so and I guess soon we will discover just how delusional I am
@@eroz0That what Ozai and Aang is. Ozai was just lame big bad villain. Aang was the hero. LOK it's more fleshed out except book two. LOK needed time to plan out, it would've been better than what we got thanks to Nickelodeon.
My hope is that the new series manages to backpedal a bit and rescue some nuance - the "dark avatar" in Korra was brought forward by an ill-intended guy looking for a link with a powerful spirit which was imprisoned, and I sure wouldn't mind a bit of retconning on the way that ended up presenting the spirits
Cool but it isn’t just about balance it’s about the cycle of balance and chaos, everything must fall into chaos for a new balance to be born of of said chaos.
This doesn't looks good to me especially with the world destroying and all. It feels like the creators don't know what to do with the franchise so they just throw whatever they can in oder to make it more interesting. I'm afraid that the series will go even futher from what the series was originally.
It may be worse than that some creators become resentful of their creation and don't want to work on it anymore. I hope they are still passionate about the lore and world building.
My man, the whole leak thing bout this twin avatars are questionable itself, firstly they don't look like from any earth bender nations which I'm which is the next cycle supposed to be. And there's a different leak that answers make sense, a boy earth bender that actually is an earth nation people and not twin for that matter
I’m….not feeling this new series the more I hear about it😭 Avatar has been part of my life since 2005 when I was 6. But this doesn’t feel right. And Korra being the one responsible for the world being destroyed? For as much hate as she has gotten over the years, this literally just made Korra’s haters foam at the mouth ready to eviscerate her even more- I remember when Korra first came out in 2012 and I was initially skeptical/scared of the idea of a world where the original team Avatar had either passed on or were old. It took me some time but when I rewatched the series when I became an adult, I grew to like Korra despite her many flaws and mistakes. There came a point I decided to humble myself and was finally open enough to hear people out regarding their criticisms of her to understand why a good chunk of the fanbase hated her. That being said, I will acknowledge maybe it’s just my initial feelings because of what I’m hearing. Maybe it’s because I’m not quite ready for this type of change because I grew up with Avatar and I can’t imagine the world Bryke built all those years ago being torn apart from an apocalypse as a result of one person- or one Avatar for that matter. I have to see the series for myself when the time comes to see how I’ll feel. I trust that they’ll give us something meaningful to watch as they have before and I will forever remain grateful for this franchise…. but for now, my heart aches a little😔
Explain to me how jojo's bizarre adventure can stay good for years replacing it's protagonist with each new part but ATLA gets worse with each sequel? This is pitiful i really hope this turns out to be good but idk.
In Jojo, Araki aimed to getting better at writing the narrative and characters progressively throughout the manga. Compare how stale the characters and story are in Jojo Part 1 to Part 5, not even Part 7 and beyond. But just Part 5, more memorable characters, more defined and intrigruing battles, MORE THEMATIC storytelling (Giorno being Jesus, Diavolo being the Devil, relative to Part 1, where its a vampire hunting story. The writers of ATLA try to change their storytelling by writing something different, never improving on the points, which they already established. (Hence, for instance, Bolin isnt as funny Sokka, and Mako isnt as relatably damaged as Zuko )
that the point there still in the beginning of writing the plot and these are only partial leaks they could change there idea, it will make more sense when there finished.
It makes perfect sense vatuu is currently inside of Korra, that needs to be addressed, we can't just jump and have a normal avatar, it'll leave alot of questions unanswered and possibly break the lore, this is a logical and realistic outcome.
Given that vatuu is about destruction, evil, and chaos. Why would yall root for an evil dark avatar? Y’all want the innocent to die and the world to be consumed in suffering? That’s weird 😮💨
NGL I kinda hope in the future the dark avatar acts more like characters like Dr Doom, Reverse Flash or DIO in the sense that they would be extremely petty towards the regular Avatar and just mess with them constantly
Bro obviously the plot matters. That’s why avatar the last air bender is the greatest story ever told. I’m just saying I’ll be watching the new one regardless. The Animation jump from ATLA to Korra was was massive. Everybody hates on Korra but the bending fight scenes were way better. I’m just imagining the next jump, the fight scenes and animation in this new show should be mind blowing. Also the post apocalyptic world setting is interesting
Mmmm maybe. Like the first few seasons of Korra were good animation wise but the later half was definitely a lot worse. You can definitely see it in the character designs with Korra and Asami in season 4. I already have low expectations but hey we’ll see.
@@lordkuriki5475 nickelodeon cut the budget for them. He was either fire staff in the middle production or cut the quality it’s pretty obvious which one they chose.
I think this might be an attempt to fix the criticisms of LoK's Book 2. Many people felt like Korra should have absorbed Vaatu instead of imprisoning him, To truly achieve BALANCE. If they are truly trying to semi-retcon the story so that Vaatu isn't wholly evil and Raava isn't wholly good, I'm all for it.
X to doubt. I think they prolly just doubling down on the basic "good vs evil" gimmick. If they really wanted to retcon Raava and Vaatu, they coulda done back in the Korra Era.
Do they really have to change the status quo all the time? Do we need to have a story with the creation of dark avatars, melding of the spirit/real world, detailed explanation of ancient origins of the series... can't we just have a grounded and more or less self contained story set in the avatar universe?
I mean the Avatar rules are reset now.. Not much past avatar history. Sadly there’s new lore probably being created now. Let’s keep guessing theories though it’s fun lol
If the Dark Avatar could bend all four elements, it would completely break the established lore According to the story, Wan was only able to bend the other three elements because the lion turtles granted him the bendings, which Raava then carried for him. With that in mind, if the Dark Avatar were able to bend three elements on their own, it would be a clear example of bad writing and inconsistency with the established rules of the Avatar universe agh...🤦🤦
There's been multiple retcons in this franchise, but every time someone brings them up, fans make an excuse for it and say it wasn't a retcon. I wonder what types of excuses they come up with this time?
@@TrueDokkanGod hehe they broke so much lore in Tlok, and it looks like they're going to break even more in this one... It's so frustrating as an Avatar fan
I believe that Yue is the answer to the Avatar sisters' dynamics. As a baby, Yue received part of the "soul", "spirit", "aura", "chi field" of the Moon Spirit (Tui) and becomes a "Horcrux". Perhaps Tui had prior knowledge of his death and needed that life ballast? During this energy exchange, Yue's hair changes color. Moving on to Pavi and Nisha, it would be possible for Nisha to have been born lifeless and Raava-Pavi transferred part of the "Spirit" which became the Avatar's "Horcrux". And a possible change would be to have bendings.
I like how fans tend to have better ideas that the writers when push to comes to shove because writers start diveating too hard with their storytelling!😄
I won't go as far as to say that Avatar is a one-hit wonder, because honestly I enjoyed most of Legend of Korra before i soured on it, but what the hell are they doing? None of this sounds good to me. I'm sure it will find an audience. Most things usually do. But I don't believe I'll be watching this.
I wish that IPs would stop retconing things when it serves no purpose in universe. I see that most retcons nowadays in entertainment is due to bad and/or lazy storytelling.
@@chkensammichOr you don't wanna accept change. LOK did not change anything but explained it further. How would the avatar state work for the first avatar if we're left with explanation it's powered up by past lives? Ravaa made sense just written badly.
Am I the only one who really enjoyed Korea’s season 2? I thought Wan’s story was very beautiful, and I loved the change in the art style. It actually moved me to tears.
@PelafinaLievre Maybe but even Korra from a toddler age could bend 3/4 elements. Even Aang before learning anything could bend other elements while in the AS and Unalaq seemed to be in a perpetual AS during that fight
Honestly this is intriguing cause in korra we learned again darkness cant be destroyed aka vaatu cause where theres light ravva theres always darkness with so this is very interesting cause im curious if there gonna work together or are they gonna be enemies
I am hoping they will end the series with something along the lines, "of one can not exist with the other," or "there must be both chaos and peace" or "light can't exist without darkness." Basically establising a Ying and Yang that was communicated in Avatar Wan's 2 episode in TLOK, but was contradicted when Wan only incorporate Raava but not Vaatu into the Avatar spirit.
Ok i haven’t finished the video, and I love the idea of two avatars with twins, but as a twin I’m so over the whole good one/bad one stereotype. I really would love to see twins having to work together to become the 4 elements. That would be interesting. Plus why do black cats keep being portrayed as bad :(
@@happilyevernever4289 well yes I understand that but if they’re gonna make it into two avatars as twins I think that’s a cool concept if done right. The way it’s looking like they’re gonna do a good twin/bad twin is just lazy and disappointing and should’ve just been left as one avatar possibly battling the bad within them or something.
Please don’t be multiple avatar one is already op idea isn’t imposible but just wished they re release LOK and and change it up to not have this plot point ;( I’ll be skeptical and give it a benefit of the doubt it be solid but time will tell
Depending on how they feel, they might make Roku a fraternal twin while the new Avatars are identical as reasoning to explain the difference in treatment
No doubt in my mind, the dark one, Nisha, is gonna end up being the real avatar. If they literally describe one as light and one as dark, then you know they're gonna switch it on us
I actually really like this, it sounds philosophically interesting even? Like, first avatar breaks the bond between the spirits. Kora breaks the cycle from the first avatar but also reestablishes the bond between the spirits, only this time also linked to the new avatar cycle. It gives a positive, "forward" spin to the whole messing with the cycle in Korra. Also, biologically identical twins come from a single cell, which then separate and eventually differentiate (phenotypically), in a neat parallel to the spirits. Another bonus is that by having a new "dark avatar" who is born with this link, instead of explicitly obtaining it later and for nefarious means, they have the chance to re-explore and touch up the whole situation where they took yin-yang and turned it into good-bad. Also, the whole situation would probably tie with whatever happens to the world. I'm not saying it will work out, but honestly this has my attention way more than "next avatar but a bit in the future".
Well I'm disappointed now. I was expecting them to contradict previously established lore but I was hoping they would at least do something interesting with it. We really DON'T need another sibling rivalry, especially if one is presented as the purley good one and the other as the purely evil one. This sounds so boring If this is how the series is actually going to continue I think I'm just going to stick to fanfiction
I love how they took the concept from Korra’s second season, you know, the evil avatar plot point that nobody liked, and made it the main premise for this show. All we can do is hope that things go well
Sounds like this could lead back to the orginal avatar with the rivarilr between light and dark with humans living on turtle lions again. This could just be one large cycle thats repeated itself time and time again.
Well, I'll certainly watch this new entry into this beloved franchise but, in my opinion, the best showcase of what two equal-yet-opposite Avatars could have been like came from a Fanfic series: Avatar, The Last Airbender books 5 (Chaos, complete), 6 (Order, complete) and 7 (Spirit, hiatus), by Morgman. In this fic, there was always supposed to be two Avatars: one representing Spirit & Mind and in charge of handling the spirit realm (and having the associated psychic/energybending powers plus the 4 elements) and the other representing Nature and Blood (in tune with the natural world and having enhanced physical abilities and animal-related powers + bending). The fic has its flaws and its strengths but it's author took the time to flesh out the dual-avatar concept and how it could work in line within his take on the AtLA universe.
That makes soooo much sense, I have always thought "if raava can still be inside vattu after she is destroyed and dark can't exist without light and the other way around, doesn't that mean vattu is inside raava now which means he is inside Korra as well?" Like I thought it was strange how they never talked about it so I would be so happy if that's what the new series is going to be about. Also tlok season 2 is my favorite so I'm happy to know it can bring so much more exciting stories beyond tlok season 3.
@yato09397 They could make a plot twist where nisha could be some random girl who is the dark avatar before revealing herself to be pavi's twin sister and that she had the mother of faces change her face.
Im ready for this, i think people need to keep in mind that this is a evolving world. Its not gonna be the same as the original show and we should accept new things.
Lmaoooo it’s so crazy. Even though I didn’t hate that season, it’s wild that they’re doing that. The Ravaa vaatu writing is very wonky tbh. They are bold for this I’ll give them that
Honestly, I'd hoped that in time the Raava/Vaatu thing would be retconned. It's so bad that it's baffling how it was thought of by the same people that created ATLA. Now it feels like they're only gonna push that corny ass light/dark narrative further with this show. At this point I think it's time to just appreciate the miracle that is the original ATLA and move on
Exactly, the entire point of the spirit world in the original show was that you can enter it if you're spiritually gifted/worked for it. Korra just took that and made it so "erm akctuali the avatar has opened the magical portals to the spirit world that were there since like, forever 🤓" and now everyone gets to go to the spirit world. They completely disregarded their original audience and just allowed corporate greed to ruin one of the best shows ever.
What happened to "Legend of Genji"? The fact that his design and background followed the same principle they used to make Korra was kinda good. New Avatars often find themselves to have polar opposite characteristics from the last Avatar. (e.g. Aang never wanted to be the Avatar, Korra always wanted to be the Avatar. Ang was a peaceful monk, Korra always had that fighting spirit. And so on.)
One of the biggest issues when it comes to sequels and prequels for many ppl. is it can often render any solid theories & interpretations about initial story as basically only personal headcanon at best moving forward. Or at worst completely retcon’s & 180’s aspects of the initial official canon as opposed to just simply expanding on the initial canon. Even for some ppl prequels/sequels are the worst due to the fact that it robs the audience of using their own imagination to fill in gaps of what happened before/after the events show on screen. 🤔
If Paramount went as far as to take down one of the videos where Avatarist talked about the leaks, then that means they are probably real. I was really hoping that wouldn't be the case, but if the company went as far as the measure of attempting to censor his content, that really adds validity to the leaks. I said it before and I'll say it gain; I personally don't cosign the route they're going in terms of the storytelling/lore I've said in previous comments that it doesn't feel like Avatar to me I just hope it's an entertaining watch at the very least. Otherwise, I hope those damn Corpos really lay off of Avatarist from now on.
I said this ever since LoK, but Korra has completely ruined the franchise going forward. If they had Aaron Ehaz in the writing group for it, like with ATLA, then a lot of the problems i had with Korra would be gone and the future of the franchise would have been so much brighter.
If they made a Chaos Avatar cycle, they should have made it backwards, like Water > Air > Fire > Earth. In order for both Avatars to be reincarnated as twins, Korra should've taken down at least two Chaos Avatars before passing away (maybe she and the Chaos Fire Avatar passed away at the same time), meaning that Nisha has four entities to draw advice from (Vaatu > Unalaq > Chaos Air Avatar > Chaos Fire Avatar), while Pavi only has two (Raava and Korra) :'v Plus, they should be able to talk with both Spirits since they don't have that many past lives acting as filters, though to make things even I hope Pavi could restore her connections to at least Aang and Roku, that way both the Order and Chaos cycle would reach balance.
One problem, the OG Avatar could bend all four elements because said avatar was given bending by the various lion turtles. The Dark Avatar only had Waterbending due to being bound to Unalauq. Meaning they'd always be a waterbender.
@@bryanmcclure2220 Except we were explicitly told if Vaatu is destroy he won't reappear for 10,000 years. So him appearing contradicts the lore they established.
I just have to say this sounds like too much. They choose to change everything I think it won't work sometimes less is more. I mean if they kept the 4 nations and went post apocalyptic it would be more believable. How can you field an army like 10 to 40 years after the apocalypse. It just feels like they are m biting of1f more than they can chew. Also sibling rivalry is just redoing zuko and azula. This I something they do all the time.
Have these rumors and leaks been officially proven by the studio? I wouldn't take rumors/leaks at face value and I will wait until the creators officially reveal this series before making an opinion on it.
@@Biolo-G_KJ Just because one show's writing of a concept is bad, doesn't make it more likely to be bad for another show. Like for example its just as easy to make ATLA show, bad, like what the live action's did, as it was to make season 2 of the TLOK bad.
@gamingwitharlen2267 yeah but it's the same writers doing the same concept that already failed once. Again the chance it fails is waaay higher than it being great. People already dislike the concept that season 2 created, so playing more into that with the writers that created spiritlaserblast nonsense does not put trust in the succes of the series.
@@Biolo-G_KJ The concept of the 100 year war in both live actions also failed, I am also not saying we need the spirit blasts. Instead I am saying we can have regular bending fights. I also like the idea of spirits as old as time with 1 being peace and the other chaos, symbolizing the Ying and Yang. Which they can throughout the series demonstrate via the characters that one can't exist without the other. So instead of destroying each other, they can become 2 parts of the same whole. Instead of in Korra where it is Vaauta vs Raava basically.
I would honestly much prefer if there was one avatar and there was just a storyline where the avatar was slowly starting to become corrupted by Vaatu on the inside. Anyways this sounds fake to me and I am choosing not to believe any of it until I see a trailer, some promo, official footage, or official art proving that it’s real.
Just spitballing here, but what if that’s what was happening to Korra by the end of her life and that’s what helped lead to the destruction of the world?
It could be ravaa wanted to try and remove Vatuu from her in some way, or Korra wanted to, but Vatuu had to go somewhere, this resulted in the start of a dark avatar cycle of sorts that would naturally coencide with the regular avatar cycle
Honestly, they can do what they want, but don't throw aside Tenzin, Lin, Suyin, Bolin, Mako, Asami, Opal, Kai, Jinora, and many more the same way they cast aside Sokka, Suki, Azula, Ty-lee, and Mai in Lok. We need closure with these characters. And if they decide to kill them off, off screen at that, with no legacy or children/ grandchildren to be a part of or interacting with the new Team Avatar, then this series is already dead
Except for Kyoshi and i guess Korra... no other avatar recycled the past avatar's cast lol it's a brand new story. If you wanna know more from them demand new comics but don't except them in the next avatar series.
Why not just call it something else instead of the avatar? A different lineage that can bend all four elements in different ways than the Avatar sounds interesting, people would easily make the Avatar connection themselves
I mean maybe it makes sense since Vaatu basically exists within Raava after Korra’s battle with UnaVaatu. The act of this of Raava and Vaatu being one means Vaatu could therefore also hold all four elements. Also, given the Avatar(s) after Korra will be the first with Raava & Vaatu it can make sense how twin Avatar’s can exist.
If the second avatar has vaatu she will only bend 1 element since ravaa can only bend the 4 elements because th lion turtles gave them to ravaa.we can see this in korra since dark avatar unalaq can only use water.
I hope they redeem Vaatu a bit. Raava and Vaatu are based on yin and yang, yet one is evil and the other good, which is not what yin and yang are about. Either one taking over is supposed to be a bad thing. Heck, I am going to guess that the destroyed world was a delayed effect of Vattu's death and the unbalance that caused. They would have to retcon his and Raava's personalities a little bit. But I was never convinced that Ravva was actually pure good. She seemed more about order and treated humans pretty dismissively like every other spirit until she grew closer to Wan.
That's bullshit and wrong. They ARE NOT based on Yin and Yang. That's the fish in the north pole. Rewatch the damn series. Vaatu is the Spirit that is all evil and Raava of Light
So, during Harmonic Convergence either Raava or Vaatu are *supposed* to die. What happened in the end of Season 2 is no different than Vaatu being put back in the Tree. However, I do agree that Vaatu should change a bit. Chaos in and of itself isn't evil. It's change. Rather unpredictable change but change none the less. Avatar is about Balance. I think it'd be interesting if they are the focus they do something big and interesting. Have them unlock Lightbending and Shadowbending. Have the "Light" Avatar use Energybending to give the Element of Light. And The "Dark" Avatar gives the Element of Shadow. Or, if they can't, have them discover the Lion Turtles of Light and Lion Turtle of Shadow. Maybe in the last Season both could gain the opposite Element even. I mean, with all the craziness these leaks have offered; why not?
But no one cares what you want tho..! If you were a real fan you’d know they have more sang content coming even tho we don’t fucking need it because his story is over and done. Who cares wyf you Want
@@jonahporia5925 I am happy that we are getting an Adult Aang movie, and for many fans, they need it. But some people all they want it ATLA for some odd reason.
Even tho I liked Korra (as far as I know many people did not enjoyed it) I feel like they really watered down the morality of the story compared to Aang's story. I hope the pushing of black and white is not as simple as it sounds, otherwise we might see a new low point in the series.
In my opinion, Avatar: The Last Airbender was a lightning in a bottle. It's a golden series with strong writing and characters and everyone loved it. Then Korra came along and that series basically rode on the OG series’s hype, and in the end, it was just meh. It lacked the charm and creativity that Avatar had going for it. I feel like this new series will be any good.
Avatar suffering the same problem as FLCL the slight changes or huges changes drives people away and even doubt it could be good. The changed aspect in the other hand are a hit or miss.
Y'all need to have more faith the funding is different this time. This isn't the ages of Nick ordering 1 single season meant to be a contained thing then extending it then messing with the air time THEN taking it off network to streaming only. This is Avatar Studios they have been investing a lot more time and money into planning this project as part of the bigger goal of building up an extended Avatar universe.
Pavi sounds interesting, but the futuristic apocalypse sounds overly convoluted and it forsakes Korra’s most important character arc. I’d love to follow an Avatar’s adult life dealing with more complex themes and characters.
Tbh I think this sounds awesome. A light and dark avatar doesn't mean it has to simply be good vs evil. Maybe the dark avatar has a propensity for darkness/evil and the light avatar has a propensity for light/good, but isn't the whole point of the avatar supposed to be balance? I think this has potential to bring nuance and depth to the universe in addition to the inherent conflict. Just my thoughts.
The only way I think think of to make it work is to try and redeem Vaatu to some extent. Get the Twin to change his ways or something. Otherwise, any Nation/"Haven" that he'd end up in would just likely kill him and his Dark Avatar in the Avatar State.
But will be about good and evil in the end, Vaatu was cleary the bad guy in Korra's era and why will be different this time? Maybe the one with the dark spirit can be strong and don't to bad things but we all know that in the end Vaatu will be seen as villain and a part of something bigger than himself this "balance"
@@_AnnoyingPerson they can just make him the first dark spirit who feel out of balance with himself after he made the portals and thats why he's evil and spreads his "affliction" to other spirits then they can just find a way to ease his pain and return him (and technically raava since she would gets affected) back to normal
I think Korra, after what she's experienced, decided that dark and good should be seperated forever. Or she couldn't get these 2 together anymore. But either way, since her, there has been twins with avatars. It makes it also way harder for people to find them both. And the story can be made way more interesting to. But yeah we will see next year right xD
I always thought Korra's spirit was able to pull Raava back out of Unavaatu because of harmonic convergence still ongoing which enormously amplifies energy/spirit bending powers, after that it would have been impossible until the next HC
This might be a minor thing to gripe about, but I REALLY wish they made one of the twins a male to not only fully commit to this yin and yang situation theme they've got going on, but also to have two Avatar's completely mirror Aang and Korra.
While waiting for the add to finish: Please don't be taken down again before i could watch you. After finishing watching: Why do i have the feeling this "draft" would be carbon copy of Israel given the past year events, much like the Border from the Dragon prince, being carbon copy of US+Spanish history with the relevant at the time Trump election. I hope we get a WELL WRITTEN show, not a "Mature" show, but then again hope is the first casualty. P.s. i'll like to put into the bingo - The dark avatar girl would be framed as the good one, while the whiter one would turn out to be the baddie, just calling it now given the state of US cartoons.
Because of how bad the end of Korra Season 2 was. They tried the Dark Avatar idea and nearly killed the franchise. Or, more generally, when a story uses the "dark version" line it's usually done as a cheap fodder enemy. There's been a few that have turned out alright but the majority of dark versions are in really awful adaptations.
@@inuendo6365 They tried the Dark Avatar idea in the most braindead way possible and nearly killed the franchise*. For all we know the goal here is to redeem this and do way with the idea of the spirits as "good vs evil".
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p hence the second part of my comment about "dark" versions in other media. It's easy to jump to conclusions when literally hundreds of examples are terrible while only a few are actually good
@@inuendo6365 Fair enough. My point is just that this might actually be a way to backpedal the light vs dark theme into some more interesting territory
I really don't know why everyone hates on korra so hard I think they did a great job with the series especially considering their time crunch and studio pressure. Of course it's not as epic as atla but that was our foundation, our world building emersion series, Korra is an after tale, it's not going to be able to be what the first was but the levels of emotional and psychological DEPTH they reached with korra was excellent
Light and dark could be an amazing story. I've had my own theories. LoK explaned that when one of the two main spirits is destroyed, they are reincarnated within the other cause light/good cannot exist without dark/bad and vice versa. But they are too weak and will only emerge after a lifetime (10000 years). Since Vaatu is imprisoned in the spirit world, Raava immediately reincarnated when the Avatar was killed. Now that Vaatu was destroyed, he should be reincarnated from within Raava after one lifetime. But since both are now fused with humans, its not 10000 years anymore.
I feel like the dark and light avatar will cook with the next series. I think it will touch base on Korra season 2 and could further explain why there was a seven heavens for the alleged plot. Vaatu still plays a role in avatar alongside raava.
All of this is getting me super hyped for this new series!! We never know if it'll be amazing or a flop but it sounds like there is a good chance they are going to make a good and enjoyable show and expand the lore we love so much!!!
This sounds exactly like the plot of the star wars acolyte, they need to have good characters without pandering for it to be good and korrs already showed us they are willing to pander to the audience...
A couple of years ago, I saw a series called Fixing Kora. Basically, the guy was rewriting the series & fixing any mistakes but kept the storyline & epasod count the same. When he got to the original of the avatar, rather than have Wan fuse with Rava & trap Vatu, he instead had Wan fuse with both Rava & Vatu. Having both spirits in 1 body is the only way I see twin avatars being possible, & I'm glad you pointed out the ending of Kora s2, which solves that problem.
I’m just gonna say it…she looks like a character created from a list of diversity check boxes. While that doesn’t mean there isn’t a chance for it to work, I have no confidence in this project. They should have just gone back and picked an Avatar long before Roku. So much potential in exploring the mythology of the franchise while also aiming for something closer to the original show
I think something with a concept like this would be really cool if the twin was a main antagonist, "defying" all known laws of bending by being a "second avatar" with the basic 'split at birth' type of twin story. This would make for some INSANE fan theories, lore drops, and red herring opportunities for the writers to throw in there to mislead theorists.
The series has shown that while usually good natured at their core, The Avatar is rarely infallible and often leaves a mistake that falls on their next life to fix. Perhaps by having two avatars who are contrary to each other, offering a different perspective and opinions. That can work with or keep the other in check, in order to create a more flexible, more powerful, but also better self regulated force of balance in the world.
I think it would make for a really compelling story if one of the twins was indeed a “dark” avatar but over the course of the story (much in a similar way to Zuko’s redemption arc) they slowly start to learn from each other regardless of the spirit inside them and finally find a way to balance the world better than the Raava avatar ever could on their own - I just like the idea that the concept would look deceptively simple and easy for children to understand and then they’d turn it on its head by adding complexity, it may look like “light VS dark” but it has always been about balance right?? And even if it really IS “light VS dark” who ever said light was good? Or that dark was bad? Idk I just see many ways they could handle this trope really well y’know? Though perhaps foolishly, I have hope ig 😅
I have never wished more that “Legend of Genji” was the actual canon story 😅
I kinda agree
Kinda lol
what? why? this sounds awesome.
@Candle_eater7685if you like it, that’s cool. But to many people, (me included) it sounds like bad fan fiction.
While Legend of Genji was OK. It really wasn't up to par with the series.
Makes sense since it was made by enthusuasts.@@joesunday199
The Avatar is chosen by their soul not their biology. Twins have different souls.
I hear a lot of unnecessary bitching here, don't be so lame
Same
It’s fake yk
@@Fairytale_Angelno it isn’t, just wait and see when these are proven true (as if there isn’t proof enough)
@@Fairytale_Angel haaaa
I am both increasingly more curious and concerned the more I hear-
its entirely possible that this isnt even the story and someone, didnt do their research properly,
Avatar will continue to go downhill for the simple fact that they refuse to hire the Old writers that made the Show Great in the First Place
@@XonTheOne idk if i’m mistaken but it might be da same ppl
@@techy6981 Aaron Ehazs was a huge part of the original and since he was not included in Korra the Avatar universe was never the same
@@XonTheOne well shi trust in da process maine don’t be so negative
I’m calling it now their gonna have a plot twist and the “evil” avatar is actually raava and the “good” avatar is vatu
It also helps that in the books they said Korra couldn't speak to the next Avatar as she cut herself out of the cycle both before and after so uhh ain't gonna be able to tell which is which by who they talk to in past lives because neither would have any given there previous incarnation died in the avatar state and the other accidentally cut contacts with a thousand years of knowledge oops
@@idiotgaming6376 korra cant speak with the past avatars, not future
I would be so disappointed if they do that because its such a predictable plot twist. And they'll make the 'nicer' one be secretly bad all along
@@idiotgaming6376who would be the one talking to the past lives is my question
That's not how it works. Korra lost the connection to the past lives. She will be the start of the new cycle.@@idiotgaming6376
some of these leaks sounds interesting, but whats annoying is that we still have lot of unanswered questions from the original series and the legend of korra e.g. how did sokka die or what happened to him, what happened to the kyoshi warriors & why weren't they in the legend of korra, what happened to the sandbenders and foggy swamp tribe.
Also who did Sokka end up with, who is Tophs baby daddy?
Also what happened to azula and did she reconcile with her family
@@snoonan768wasn't that answered in the redemption book she had?
Sokka was murdered
@Natsu_drippin didn't he die in a battle?
Evil avatar twin was my fanfiction idea when I was 9 and even then I thought it was stupid, well glad to see they dug up that charcoal.
Vai ser interessante.
This reads like fanfiction and I know this because I LITTERALLY WROTE ALMOST EXACTLY THIS SAME THING! No seriously, the premise of my story involves the Dark Avatar and Light Avatar clashing over the course of the entire series, granted Korra is the light avatar in that scenario but that's beside the point.
Clown, you didn't write anything, you just based your fanfic off of what creators had already established. We already had a dark avatar in legend of korra, it was literally unalaaq. The dark avatar already existed before Pavi and Nisha and the creators are clearly delving deeper into that.
Probably steal or read stuff from fans. Honestly, you should make sure your work wasn't plagiarized. Because some of these companies like Viacom or paramount or Disney do balent IP rip off from fan works because they own the IP and think derivative works belong to them and also creative inspiration and licensing requirements protect them from future misuse through patent or deed IP. They also have money and lawyer muscle to challenge any rivals or artists or creatives that challenge them somehow.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 where can I read your fanfiction?
@@Jay-fw6jo It's called The Avatar and the Revolutionary
@@dannylo5875
I doubt the avatar writers are like that.
And I am not sure you can even legally defend fanfiction.
i think the worst, maybe even the only bad idea that has came out of this franchise is the idea of a "dark" avatar or "dark" spirits.or just rava and vatu in general. any other idea has some good things about it but this one just goes against everything that was established in ATLA. yet for some reason they keep bringing up this idea like it's the best one they've ever had
Yes. The original Avatar was all about balance. And then they decided to go with the trite light/dark, good/evil narrative.
I mean, I have no reason to believe this, but maybe this whole dual Avatar thing is precisely about balance between order and chaos?! I'm really hoping so and I guess soon we will discover just how delusional I am
@@eroz0That what Ozai and Aang is. Ozai was just lame big bad villain. Aang was the hero. LOK it's more fleshed out except book two. LOK needed time to plan out, it would've been better than what we got thanks to Nickelodeon.
My hope is that the new series manages to backpedal a bit and rescue some nuance - the "dark avatar" in Korra was brought forward by an ill-intended guy looking for a link with a powerful spirit which was imprisoned, and I sure wouldn't mind a bit of retconning on the way that ended up presenting the spirits
Cool but it isn’t just about balance it’s about the cycle of balance and chaos, everything must fall into chaos for a new balance to be born of of said chaos.
This doesn't looks good to me especially with the world destroying and all. It feels like the creators don't know what to do with the franchise so they just throw whatever they can in oder to make it more interesting. I'm afraid that the series will go even futher from what the series was originally.
It may be worse than that some creators become resentful of their creation and don't want to work on it anymore. I hope they are still passionate about the lore and world building.
My man, the whole leak thing bout this twin avatars are questionable itself, firstly they don't look like from any earth bender nations which I'm which is the next cycle supposed to be. And there's a different leak that answers make sense, a boy earth bender that actually is an earth nation people and not twin for that matter
So much bitching about a series that ain’t even out it’s crazy
@@alexandersolodovnikov4840 You could always watch something else.
There are other things to watch.
I’m….not feeling this new series the more I hear about it😭 Avatar has been part of my life since 2005 when I was 6. But this doesn’t feel right. And Korra being the one responsible for the world being destroyed? For as much hate as she has gotten over the years, this literally just made Korra’s haters foam at the mouth ready to eviscerate her even more- I remember when Korra first came out in 2012 and I was initially skeptical/scared of the idea of a world where the original team Avatar had either passed on or were old. It took me some time but when I rewatched the series when I became an adult, I grew to like Korra despite her many flaws and mistakes. There came a point I decided to humble myself and was finally open enough to hear people out regarding their criticisms of her to understand why a good chunk of the fanbase hated her.
That being said, I will acknowledge maybe it’s just my initial feelings because of what I’m hearing. Maybe it’s because I’m not quite ready for this type of change because I grew up with Avatar and I can’t imagine the world Bryke built all those years ago being torn apart from an apocalypse as a result of one person- or one Avatar for that matter. I have to see the series for myself when the time comes to see how I’ll feel. I trust that they’ll give us something meaningful to watch as they have before and I will forever remain grateful for this franchise…. but for now, my heart aches a little😔
Korra already gets so much hate and flack from the Avatar fandom. It hurts to see the creators dumping more fuel to that fire.
There could be some plot twist where they reveal why she had to it.
Explain to me how jojo's bizarre adventure can stay good for years replacing it's protagonist with each new part but ATLA gets worse with each sequel? This is pitiful i really hope this turns out to be good but idk.
Simple: the writer with their head on straight left. When you dont have someone to keep an author in check you get bad stories like this
HOW is Legend of Korra
In Jojo, Araki aimed to getting better at writing the narrative and characters progressively throughout the manga. Compare how stale the characters and story are in Jojo Part 1 to Part 5, not even Part 7 and beyond. But just Part 5, more memorable characters, more defined and intrigruing battles, MORE THEMATIC storytelling (Giorno being Jesus, Diavolo being the Devil, relative to Part 1, where its a vampire hunting story. The writers of ATLA try to change their storytelling by writing something different, never improving on the points, which they already established. (Hence, for instance, Bolin isnt as funny Sokka, and Mako isnt as relatably damaged as Zuko )
That's because JoJo's kept the same writer (singular)
It doesn’t make sense.
Fr i thought if they were to make twin avatars one would be a boy and one would be a girl. And this new lore thats being explained has me so confused😭
@MoyoNkzie I've heard that some would believe that identical twins share half of the same soul.
that the point there still in the beginning of writing the plot and these are only partial leaks they could change there idea, it will make more sense when there finished.
Facts
It makes perfect sense vatuu is currently inside of Korra, that needs to be addressed, we can't just jump and have a normal avatar, it'll leave alot of questions unanswered and possibly break the lore, this is a logical and realistic outcome.
The new avatar series kind of reminds me of Star Wars the acolyte
That got canceled after one season
Yeah, and it seriously scares me.
Exactly. Hopefully they don’t mess it up like the acolyte. That ended badly
@@88citykid this smells korra season two the worst season and the acolyte merge together
@ ugh, hopefully mike and bryan have some self awareness and dont follow those same paths
@@Jay-fw6jo Season two had some good moments.
Ngl, after existing in this world long enough, I am rooting for the Dark Avatar.
Same
Given that vatuu is about destruction, evil, and chaos. Why would yall root for an evil dark avatar?
Y’all want the innocent to die and the world to be consumed in suffering? That’s weird 😮💨
Yeah no. Tlok 2 is garbage
@ No, this is a proper dark avatar
Yep
I didn't like the Dark Avatar idea, but I would prefer it to be used rather than both twins being the Avatar.
I just saw a tweet from someone who has some inside news say that it’s two avatars 😅
They're both sucky ideas. Ugh where do I begin
It's a better idea than splitting Raava up between the two bc how would that make sense.
Even if that plot has been used in LOK and they were even related too, it would at least make more sense if it was a Raava/Vaatu thing.
Two avatars would honestly be an interesting story if done right
IF. And it's a big if. I honestly don't trust creators to do it right.
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So Ravaa is gonna split in half?
How would that work though? How would they bend all 4 elements?
@@alexandersolodovnikov4840don’t care who you trust
NGL I kinda hope in the future the dark avatar acts more like characters like Dr Doom, Reverse Flash or DIO in the sense that they would be extremely petty towards the regular Avatar and just mess with them constantly
We all can debate if the story will be good, but there’s no denying the animation is going to be bad ass
If Ure watching a show for animation then u lost the plot
Bro obviously the plot matters. That’s why avatar the last air bender is the greatest story ever told. I’m just saying I’ll be watching the new one regardless. The Animation jump from ATLA to Korra was was massive. Everybody hates on Korra but the bending fight scenes were way better. I’m just imagining the next jump, the fight scenes and animation in this new show should be mind blowing. Also the post apocalyptic world setting is interesting
Mmmm maybe. Like the first few seasons of Korra were good animation wise but the later half was definitely a lot worse. You can definitely see it in the character designs with Korra and Asami in season 4. I already have low expectations but hey we’ll see.
@@seektruthnow. The fighting scenes were better? Loooool ok
@@lordkuriki5475 nickelodeon cut the budget for them. He was either fire staff in the middle production or cut the quality it’s pretty obvious which one they chose.
You can’t tell me that pavi doesn’t look like iris from Pokémon
In terms of skin tone yes but not really
Based on her design here, I'd say she looks more like Zinnia from Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
This whole premise should’ve stayed in the drafts
Now I’m curious if one or both twins die in the future, will it go back to having one full time avatar?
Id think both will be reborn until vaatu is ripped out and put back in the tree again. And Nisha will have unalouq as a past life to look back to
@@zconsci Unalaq is gone. Died in the Avatar State.
@@joesunday199 u already responded to my other comment. It's not exactly the avatar state
@zconsci It is literally the Avatar State. It's not a lesser version. Unalaq is gone.
@@joesunday199 more like the dark avatar state, but basically the same thing
I think this might be an attempt to fix the criticisms of LoK's Book 2. Many people felt like Korra should have absorbed Vaatu instead of imprisoning him, To truly achieve BALANCE. If they are truly trying to semi-retcon the story so that Vaatu isn't wholly evil and Raava isn't wholly good, I'm all for it.
I dont like Korra season 2 but this whole "balance" is such a stupid thing
X to doubt. I think they prolly just doubling down on the basic "good vs evil" gimmick. If they really wanted to retcon Raava and Vaatu, they coulda done back in the Korra Era.
Idk how I feel about this.
Do they really have to change the status quo all the time? Do we need to have a story with the creation of dark avatars, melding of the spirit/real world, detailed explanation of ancient origins of the series... can't we just have a grounded and more or less self contained story set in the avatar universe?
I bet you are wyte.
@@DiscordBeingI bet you are racist.
@@indidelist5183 You could always watch something different.
Exactly my point. They keep deviating more and more from what everyone originally loved about ATLA.
@@Zion-p1t It's not the first time. "Yu-Gi-Oh" has had plenty of revamping.
I'm thinking these leaks aren't real because this breaks so much of the already canon lore and from what we already gotten from other leaks.
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It doesn’t break ANY lore.
I mean the Avatar rules are reset now.. Not much past avatar history. Sadly there’s new lore probably being created now. Let’s keep guessing theories though it’s fun lol
@@jaredm2365 ur only guessing lol, we might get past avatars
If the Dark Avatar could bend all four elements, it would completely break the established lore According to the story, Wan was only able to bend the other three elements because the lion turtles granted him the bendings, which Raava then carried for him. With that in mind, if the Dark Avatar were able to bend three elements on their own, it would be a clear example of bad writing and inconsistency with the established rules of the Avatar universe agh...🤦🤦
There's been multiple retcons in this franchise, but every time someone brings them up, fans make an excuse for it and say it wasn't a retcon. I wonder what types of excuses they come up with this time?
@@TrueDokkanGod hehe they broke so much lore in Tlok, and it looks like they're going to break even more in this one... It's so frustrating as an Avatar fan
You haven't even seen the show. Your already making assumptions, for all we know it could be another Vaatu thing.
@@gamingwitharlen2267 can't argue with that
It’s very possible nisha’s “quest for honor” in the series is finding all the lion turtles
I believe that Yue is the answer to the Avatar sisters' dynamics.
As a baby, Yue received part of the "soul", "spirit", "aura", "chi field" of the Moon Spirit (Tui) and becomes a "Horcrux". Perhaps Tui had prior knowledge of his death and needed that life ballast?
During this energy exchange, Yue's hair changes color.
Moving on to Pavi and Nisha, it would be possible for Nisha to have been born lifeless and Raava-Pavi transferred part of the "Spirit" which became the Avatar's "Horcrux".
And a possible change would be to have bendings.
I like how fans tend to have better ideas that the writers when push to comes to shove because writers start diveating too hard with their storytelling!😄
I won't go as far as to say that Avatar is a one-hit wonder, because honestly I enjoyed most of Legend of Korra before i soured on it, but what the hell are they doing? None of this sounds good to me. I'm sure it will find an audience. Most things usually do. But I don't believe I'll be watching this.
Who cares if you do or don’t?
@@jonahporia5925 opinions.
@@caomhan84 I’ll watch it and decide if I like it or hate it after
Bro if you're really a fan of Avatar, give it a chance. If you don't like it after a couple episodes, drop it
It really sounds like a Star Wars The Acolyte situation.
lol more retcons are coming.
_The retcons will continue until morale improves_
I wish that IPs would stop retconing things when it serves no purpose in universe. I see that most retcons nowadays in entertainment is due to bad and/or lazy storytelling.
Atla was truly a one off wonder and everything after (atla comics included) is just dog ass fanfiction
sad
@@chkensammichOr you don't wanna accept change. LOK did not change anything but explained it further. How would the avatar state work for the first avatar if we're left with explanation it's powered up by past lives? Ravaa made sense just written badly.
I have been subbed for a while, but I wanna take this moment leading up to a historical ATLA moment to say: I love your channel bro.
Plot twist, Pavi is pure. Pure evil.
Am I the only one who really enjoyed Korea’s season 2? I thought Wan’s story was very beautiful, and I loved the change in the art style. It actually moved me to tears.
Unalaq, even after merging with Vaatu, couldn't bend all 4 elements though. He never held them for the Avatar like Raava did
The Twin would have to find the other Lion Turtles. But, most of them are dead.
To be fair, he only was merged for a hot minute. Even the Avatar has to train the other elements.
Bc she has to find the lion turtle. Which might be her journey throughout the series
@PelafinaLievre Maybe but even Korra from a toddler age could bend 3/4 elements. Even Aang before learning anything could bend other elements while in the AS and Unalaq seemed to be in a perpetual AS during that fight
@@elisitbon4672 But, almost all are dead. And The last one we know of wouldn't help Vaatu.
Honestly this is intriguing cause in korra we learned again darkness cant be destroyed aka vaatu cause where theres light ravva theres always darkness with so this is very interesting cause im curious if there gonna work together or are they gonna be enemies
I am hoping they will end the series with something along the lines, "of one can not exist with the other," or "there must be both chaos and peace" or "light can't exist without darkness." Basically establising a Ying and Yang that was communicated in Avatar Wan's 2 episode in TLOK, but was contradicted when Wan only incorporate Raava but not Vaatu into the Avatar spirit.
Ok i haven’t finished the video, and I love the idea of two avatars with twins, but as a twin I’m so over the whole good one/bad one stereotype. I really would love to see twins having to work together to become the 4 elements. That would be interesting. Plus why do black cats keep being portrayed as bad :(
But that isn't what the avatar is. Avatar always has 4 elements and more. That's what makes me special
Same
@@happilyevernever4289 well yes I understand that but if they’re gonna make it into two avatars as twins I think that’s a cool concept if done right. The way it’s looking like they’re gonna do a good twin/bad twin is just lazy and disappointing and should’ve just been left as one avatar possibly battling the bad within them or something.
Please don’t be multiple avatar one is already op idea isn’t imposible but just wished they re release LOK and and change it up to not have this plot point
;( I’ll be skeptical and give it a benefit of the doubt it be solid but time will tell
A Dark Avatar with just one element was strong enough to almost destroy the world…I'm excited
It's because Vaatu was stronger than Ravaa.
Depending on how they feel, they might make Roku a fraternal twin while the new Avatars are identical as reasoning to explain the difference in treatment
No doubt in my mind, the dark one, Nisha, is gonna end up being the real avatar. If they literally describe one as light and one as dark, then you know they're gonna switch it on us
getting acolyte vibes 🙄🙄🙄 siiigghhhh but we'll see
I actually really like this, it sounds philosophically interesting even? Like, first avatar breaks the bond between the spirits. Kora breaks the cycle from the first avatar but also reestablishes the bond between the spirits, only this time also linked to the new avatar cycle. It gives a positive, "forward" spin to the whole messing with the cycle in Korra.
Also, biologically identical twins come from a single cell, which then separate and eventually differentiate (phenotypically), in a neat parallel to the spirits.
Another bonus is that by having a new "dark avatar" who is born with this link, instead of explicitly obtaining it later and for nefarious means, they have the chance to re-explore and touch up the whole situation where they took yin-yang and turned it into good-bad. Also, the whole situation would probably tie with whatever happens to the world.
I'm not saying it will work out, but honestly this has my attention way more than "next avatar but a bit in the future".
Well I'm disappointed now. I was expecting them to contradict previously established lore but I was hoping they would at least do something interesting with it. We really DON'T need another sibling rivalry, especially if one is presented as the purley good one and the other as the purely evil one. This sounds so boring
If this is how the series is actually going to continue I think I'm just going to stick to fanfiction
I love how they took the concept from Korra’s second season, you know, the evil avatar plot point that nobody liked, and made it the main premise for this show. All we can do is hope that things go well
Sounds like this could lead back to the orginal avatar with the rivarilr between light and dark with humans living on turtle lions again.
This could just be one large cycle thats repeated itself time and time again.
Well, I'll certainly watch this new entry into this beloved franchise but, in my opinion, the best showcase of what two equal-yet-opposite Avatars could have been like came from a Fanfic series: Avatar, The Last Airbender books 5 (Chaos, complete), 6 (Order, complete) and 7 (Spirit, hiatus), by Morgman.
In this fic, there was always supposed to be two Avatars: one representing Spirit & Mind and in charge of handling the spirit realm (and having the associated psychic/energybending powers plus the 4 elements) and the other representing Nature and Blood (in tune with the natural world and having enhanced physical abilities and animal-related powers + bending).
The fic has its flaws and its strengths but it's author took the time to flesh out the dual-avatar concept and how it could work in line within his take on the AtLA universe.
That makes soooo much sense, I have always thought "if raava can still be inside vattu after she is destroyed and dark can't exist without light and the other way around, doesn't that mean vattu is inside raava now which means he is inside Korra as well?" Like I thought it was strange how they never talked about it so I would be so happy if that's what the new series is going to be about. Also tlok season 2 is my favorite so I'm happy to know it can bring so much more exciting stories beyond tlok season 3.
Nisha can have her face change by the Mother of Faces
@@silverstrike5904 what do you mean?
@yato09397 They could make a plot twist where nisha could be some random girl who is the dark avatar before revealing herself to be pavi's twin sister and that she had the mother of faces change her face.
Im ready for this, i think people need to keep in mind that this is a evolving world. Its not gonna be the same as the original show and we should accept new things.
They literally based the new series on the lore of the WORST LoK season. -_-" This SUCKS.
Lmaoooo it’s so crazy. Even though I didn’t hate that season, it’s wild that they’re doing that. The Ravaa vaatu writing is very wonky tbh. They are bold for this I’ll give them that
Because there’s so much they can do with it
Honestly, I'd hoped that in time the Raava/Vaatu thing would be retconned. It's so bad that it's baffling how it was thought of by the same people that created ATLA. Now it feels like they're only gonna push that corny ass light/dark narrative further with this show. At this point I think it's time to just appreciate the miracle that is the original ATLA and move on
Everything after Aang I hate it, everything happened to much in less than 1,000 years. Opening the spirit portals to the living world is stupid
That's why I wrote my own story tossed out Kora completely for someone else
You can't change what has happened, the show will still scale through with or without your opinion or hate @@princecharming8125
Exactly, the entire point of the spirit world in the original show was that you can enter it if you're spiritually gifted/worked for it. Korra just took that and made it so "erm akctuali the avatar has opened the magical portals to the spirit world that were there since like, forever 🤓" and now everyone gets to go to the spirit world. They completely disregarded their original audience and just allowed corporate greed to ruin one of the best shows ever.
And they’re doubling down on the awful story telling and ret conning almost like their goal is to make the real original fans angry or annoyed
I hope this is good. There were so many fan fiction ideas t hat were excellent. Avatar Studios I hope they don't screw it up.
I never had any interest in watching a sequel series to Korra.
What happened to "Legend of Genji"? The fact that his design and background followed the same principle they used to make Korra was kinda good. New Avatars often find themselves to have polar opposite characteristics from the last Avatar. (e.g. Aang never wanted to be the Avatar, Korra always wanted to be the Avatar. Ang was a peaceful monk, Korra always had that fighting spirit. And so on.)
Genji was fan made and got discontinued.
One of the biggest issues when it comes to sequels and prequels for many ppl. is it can often render any solid theories & interpretations about initial story as basically only personal headcanon at best moving forward. Or at worst completely retcon’s & 180’s aspects of the initial official canon as opposed to just simply expanding on the initial canon. Even for some ppl prequels/sequels are the worst due to the fact that it robs the audience of using their own imagination to fill in gaps of what happened before/after the events show on screen. 🤔
If Paramount went as far as to take down one of the videos where Avatarist talked about the leaks, then that means they are probably real. I was really hoping that wouldn't be the case, but if the company went as far as the measure of attempting to censor his content, that really adds validity to the leaks.
I said it before and I'll say it gain; I personally don't cosign the route they're going in terms of the storytelling/lore I've said in previous comments that it doesn't feel like Avatar to me I just hope it's an entertaining watch at the very least.
Otherwise, I hope those damn Corpos really lay off of Avatarist from now on.
I said this ever since LoK, but Korra has completely ruined the franchise going forward. If they had Aaron Ehaz in the writing group for it, like with ATLA, then a lot of the problems i had with Korra would be gone and the future of the franchise would have been so much brighter.
Korra didn't ruin anything. Korra brought a lot if new and interesting ideas in the Avatar universe which were even better than The Last Airebnder.
@n.s4122 I'll name you one big one, the mechas.
The mechas are not that bad. Having mechas does't impact that much on story. In the end, Korra is still fantastic.
If they made a Chaos Avatar cycle, they should have made it backwards, like Water > Air > Fire > Earth.
In order for both Avatars to be reincarnated as twins, Korra should've taken down at least two Chaos Avatars before passing away (maybe she and the Chaos Fire Avatar passed away at the same time), meaning that Nisha has four entities to draw advice from (Vaatu > Unalaq > Chaos Air Avatar > Chaos Fire Avatar), while Pavi only has two (Raava and Korra) :'v
Plus, they should be able to talk with both Spirits since they don't have that many past lives acting as filters, though to make things even I hope Pavi could restore her connections to at least Aang and Roku, that way both the Order and Chaos cycle would reach balance.
One problem, the OG Avatar could bend all four elements because said avatar was given bending by the various lion turtles. The Dark Avatar only had Waterbending due to being bound to Unalauq. Meaning they'd always be a waterbender.
Yes on the first one no on the second remember Vaato die he would have to be reborn out of Ravaa not reborn the natural wsy
@ no you don’t understand that Vaato died this is a new vaato reborn from Raava he has all four elements because he comes from Raava who has all four
@@bryanmcclure2220 Except we were explicitly told if Vaatu is destroy he won't reappear for 10,000 years. So him appearing contradicts the lore they established.
@ not in the show only by the writers who can change their minds
At least it's gonna be fun to laugh at
I want to see a fire nation born Avatar. I hope this does well...
I just have to say this sounds like too much. They choose to change everything I think it won't work sometimes less is more. I mean if they kept the 4 nations and went post apocalyptic it would be more believable. How can you field an army like 10 to 40 years after the apocalypse. It just feels like they are m biting of1f more than they can chew. Also sibling rivalry is just redoing zuko and azula. This I something they do all the time.
Interesting point about Zuko and Azula.
@joesunday199 yeah you see this time and again in the series, amon and warlock, and lin and suyin are also examples.
@@snoonan768 You mean Tarrlok? Or Unalaq and Tonraq?
@joesunday199 yeah thanks for the correction and I forgot about unalaq and warlock. They really like this trope.
@@snoonan768 Tonraq.
Have these rumors and leaks been officially proven by the studio? I wouldn't take rumors/leaks at face value and I will wait until the creators officially reveal this series before making an opinion on it.
Ah yes lets grab the worst season of Korra, redcon big parts of the beloved ATLA and base our new series on that. Great choice.
Ok, but that doesn't me this show can't be good. It is possible to make this concept into a good show.
@@gamingwitharlen2267 indeed but the chance it will be bad increased drastically.
@@Biolo-G_KJ Just because one show's writing of a concept is bad, doesn't make it more likely to be bad for another show. Like for example its just as easy to make ATLA show, bad, like what the live action's did, as it was to make season 2 of the TLOK bad.
@gamingwitharlen2267 yeah but it's the same writers doing the same concept that already failed once. Again the chance it fails is waaay higher than it being great.
People already dislike the concept that season 2 created, so playing more into that with the writers that created spiritlaserblast nonsense does not put trust in the succes of the series.
@@Biolo-G_KJ The concept of the 100 year war in both live actions also failed, I am also not saying we need the spirit blasts. Instead I am saying we can have regular bending fights. I also like the idea of spirits as old as time with 1 being peace and the other chaos, symbolizing the Ying and Yang. Which they can throughout the series demonstrate via the characters that one can't exist without the other. So instead of destroying each other, they can become 2 parts of the same whole. Instead of in Korra where it is Vaauta vs Raava basically.
If done right, this could be a huge and amazing story, but it completely just depends with who's writing this
I would honestly much prefer if there was one avatar and there was just a storyline where the avatar was slowly starting to become corrupted by Vaatu on the inside. Anyways this sounds fake to me and I am choosing not to believe any of it until I see a trailer, some promo, official footage, or official art proving that it’s real.
i agree, but i slowly accepting this as real. cant believe they would pull such fanfic stuff though, can only hope it doesnt retcon too much
Just spitballing here, but what if that’s what was happening to Korra by the end of her life and that’s what helped lead to the destruction of the world?
It could be ravaa wanted to try and remove Vatuu from her in some way, or Korra wanted to, but Vatuu had to go somewhere, this resulted in the start of a dark avatar cycle of sorts that would naturally coencide with the regular avatar cycle
Honestly, they can do what they want, but don't throw aside Tenzin, Lin, Suyin, Bolin, Mako, Asami, Opal, Kai, Jinora, and many more the same way they cast aside Sokka, Suki, Azula, Ty-lee, and Mai in Lok. We need closure with these characters. And if they decide to kill them off, off screen at that, with no legacy or children/ grandchildren to be a part of or interacting with the new Team Avatar, then this series is already dead
Except for Kyoshi and i guess Korra... no other avatar recycled the past avatar's cast lol it's a brand new story. If you wanna know more from them demand new comics but don't except them in the next avatar series.
@johnnybaxter8078 expect*
Why not just call it something else instead of the avatar? A different lineage that can bend all four elements in different ways than the Avatar sounds interesting, people would easily make the Avatar connection themselves
where can i see the official designs?
Google Avatar Pavi and Nisha
I feel they should have continued with the og crew after defeating ozai instead of making LOK and now this
I mean maybe it makes sense since Vaatu basically exists within Raava after Korra’s battle with UnaVaatu. The act of this of Raava and Vaatu being one means Vaatu could therefore also hold all four elements.
Also, given the Avatar(s) after Korra will be the first with Raava & Vaatu it can make sense how twin Avatar’s can exist.
If the second avatar has vaatu she will only bend 1 element since ravaa can only bend the 4 elements because th lion turtles gave them to ravaa.we can see this in korra since dark avatar unalaq can only use water.
I hope they redeem Vaatu a bit. Raava and Vaatu are based on yin and yang, yet one is evil and the other good, which is not what yin and yang are about. Either one taking over is supposed to be a bad thing. Heck, I am going to guess that the destroyed world was a delayed effect of Vattu's death and the unbalance that caused. They would have to retcon his and Raava's personalities a little bit. But I was never convinced that Ravva was actually pure good. She seemed more about order and treated humans pretty dismissively like every other spirit until she grew closer to Wan.
EXACTLY
That's bullshit and wrong. They ARE NOT based on Yin and Yang.
That's the fish in the north pole. Rewatch the damn series.
Vaatu is the Spirit that is all evil and Raava of Light
So, during Harmonic Convergence either Raava or Vaatu are *supposed* to die. What happened in the end of Season 2 is no different than Vaatu being put back in the Tree.
However, I do agree that Vaatu should change a bit. Chaos in and of itself isn't evil. It's change. Rather unpredictable change but change none the less. Avatar is about Balance.
I think it'd be interesting if they are the focus they do something big and interesting. Have them unlock Lightbending and Shadowbending. Have the "Light" Avatar use Energybending to give the Element of Light. And The "Dark" Avatar gives the Element of Shadow. Or, if they can't, have them discover the Lion Turtles of Light and Lion Turtle of Shadow. Maybe in the last Season both could gain the opposite Element even.
I mean, with all the craziness these leaks have offered; why not?
They aren't based on yin and yang
@@hueyfreeman6262 They literally are. The first time we see them they are in a tussle that takes the shape of a Yin and Yang.
Excited for new Avatar content
Nervous that they mess it all up
Damn I can’t believe they fell off this bad… all we wanted was more of the group with aang
A last Airbender gang in their early 20s.
We’re getting an adult gaang movie next year
But no one cares what you want tho..! If you were a real fan you’d know they have more sang content coming even tho we don’t fucking need it because his story is over and done. Who cares wyf you Want
Bro not everything has to the ATLA. This is what I hate about this community, you all never give a show the opportunity to shine.
@@jonahporia5925 I am happy that we are getting an Adult Aang movie, and for many fans, they need it. But some people all they want it ATLA for some odd reason.
Even tho I liked Korra (as far as I know many people did not enjoyed it) I feel like they really watered down the morality of the story compared to Aang's story. I hope the pushing of black and white is not as simple as it sounds, otherwise we might see a new low point in the series.
In my opinion, Avatar: The Last Airbender was a lightning in a bottle. It's a golden series with strong writing and characters and everyone loved it. Then Korra came along and that series basically rode on the OG series’s hype, and in the end, it was just meh. It lacked the charm and creativity that Avatar had going for it. I feel like this new series will be any good.
Avatar suffering the same problem as FLCL the slight changes or huges changes drives people away and even doubt it could be good.
The changed aspect in the other hand are a hit or miss.
Lok ruined a lot of the mysteriousness and world building alta developed
no idea why people are so upset about it
i think this is a good step forward : p
and it makes sense to continue this
Y'all need to have more faith the funding is different this time. This isn't the ages of Nick ordering 1 single season meant to be a contained thing then extending it then messing with the air time THEN taking it off network to streaming only. This is Avatar Studios they have been investing a lot more time and money into planning this project as part of the bigger goal of building up an extended Avatar universe.
Pavi sounds interesting, but the futuristic apocalypse sounds overly convoluted and it forsakes Korra’s most important character arc. I’d love to follow an Avatar’s adult life dealing with more complex themes and characters.
Tbh I think this sounds awesome. A light and dark avatar doesn't mean it has to simply be good vs evil. Maybe the dark avatar has a propensity for darkness/evil and the light avatar has a propensity for light/good, but isn't the whole point of the avatar supposed to be balance? I think this has potential to bring nuance and depth to the universe in addition to the inherent conflict. Just my thoughts.
The only way I think think of to make it work is to try and redeem Vaatu to some extent. Get the Twin to change his ways or something. Otherwise, any Nation/"Haven" that he'd end up in would just likely kill him and his Dark Avatar in the Avatar State.
Dark Avatar is a fan of the Great Guru Laghima
But will be about good and evil in the end, Vaatu was cleary the bad guy in Korra's era and why will be different this time? Maybe the one with the dark spirit can be strong and don't to bad things but we all know that in the end Vaatu will be seen as villain and a part of something bigger than himself this "balance"
@@_AnnoyingPerson they can just make him the first dark spirit who feel out of balance with himself after he made the portals and thats why he's evil and spreads his "affliction" to other spirits then they can just find a way to ease his pain and return him (and technically raava since she would gets affected) back to normal
I think Korra, after what she's experienced, decided that dark and good should be seperated forever. Or she couldn't get these 2 together anymore. But either way, since her, there has been twins with avatars. It makes it also way harder for people to find them both. And the story can be made way more interesting to. But yeah we will see next year right xD
If explained and done right, this could be really cool
You mean like every show ever? Isn't that the basics of a good story?
Agreed
No it wouldn't. Season 2 was a flop particularly because of this.
I'm looking forward to the new series. That said, it's a bit baffling to base the series premise on the worst season in the ATLA Franchise :)
im finna cry bro...
Avatar will continue to go downhill for the simple fact that they refuse to hire the Old writers that made the Show Great in the First Place
Is there a petition to not make this happen? wtf is this bs dude
I always thought Korra's spirit was able to pull Raava back out of Unavaatu because of harmonic convergence still ongoing which enormously amplifies energy/spirit bending powers, after that it would have been impossible until the next HC
This might be a minor thing to gripe about, but I REALLY wish they made one of the twins a male to not only fully commit to this yin and yang situation theme they've got going on, but also to have two Avatar's completely mirror Aang and Korra.
While waiting for the add to finish: Please don't be taken down again before i could watch you.
After finishing watching: Why do i have the feeling this "draft" would be carbon copy of Israel
given the past year events, much like the Border from the Dragon prince, being carbon copy of
US+Spanish history with the relevant at the time Trump election.
I hope we get a WELL WRITTEN show, not a "Mature" show, but then again hope is the first
casualty.
P.s. i'll like to put into the bingo - The dark avatar girl would be framed as the good one, while
the whiter one would turn out to be the baddie, just calling it now given the state of US cartoons.
Why are people do quick to judge/hate?
I find the idea of an evil avatar pretty interesting
Because of how bad the end of Korra Season 2 was. They tried the Dark Avatar idea and nearly killed the franchise.
Or, more generally, when a story uses the "dark version" line it's usually done as a cheap fodder enemy. There's been a few that have turned out alright but the majority of dark versions are in really awful adaptations.
What if their was a nuteral avatar like the nuteral avatar isn't on anyone's side but keeps everything balance
@@inuendo6365 They tried the Dark Avatar idea in the most braindead way possible and nearly killed the franchise*. For all we know the goal here is to redeem this and do way with the idea of the spirits as "good vs evil".
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p hence the second part of my comment about "dark" versions in other media. It's easy to jump to conclusions when literally hundreds of examples are terrible while only a few are actually good
@@inuendo6365 Fair enough. My point is just that this might actually be a way to backpedal the light vs dark theme into some more interesting territory
I really don't know why everyone hates on korra so hard I think they did a great job with the series especially considering their time crunch and studio pressure. Of course it's not as epic as atla but that was our foundation, our world building emersion series, Korra is an after tale, it's not going to be able to be what the first was but the levels of emotional and psychological DEPTH they reached with korra was excellent
Light and dark could be an amazing story. I've had my own theories. LoK explaned that when one of the two main spirits is destroyed, they are reincarnated within the other cause light/good cannot exist without dark/bad and vice versa. But they are too weak and will only emerge after a lifetime (10000 years). Since Vaatu is imprisoned in the spirit world, Raava immediately reincarnated when the Avatar was killed. Now that Vaatu was destroyed, he should be reincarnated from within Raava after one lifetime. But since both are now fused with humans, its not 10000 years anymore.
I feel like the dark and light avatar will cook with the next series. I think it will touch base on Korra season 2 and could further explain why there was a seven heavens for the alleged plot. Vaatu still plays a role in avatar alongside raava.
All of this is getting me super hyped for this new series!! We never know if it'll be amazing or a flop but it sounds like there is a good chance they are going to make a good and enjoyable show and expand the lore we love so much!!!
This sounds exactly like the plot of the star wars acolyte, they need to have good characters without pandering for it to be good and korrs already showed us they are willing to pander to the audience...
A couple of years ago, I saw a series called Fixing Kora. Basically, the guy was rewriting the series & fixing any mistakes but kept the storyline & epasod count the same.
When he got to the original of the avatar, rather than have Wan fuse with Rava & trap Vatu, he instead had Wan fuse with both Rava & Vatu.
Having both spirits in 1 body is the only way I see twin avatars being possible, & I'm glad you pointed out the ending of Kora s2, which solves that problem.
I’m just gonna say it…she looks like a character created from a list of diversity check boxes. While that doesn’t mean there isn’t a chance for it to work, I have no confidence in this project. They should have just gone back and picked an Avatar long before Roku. So much potential in exploring the mythology of the franchise while also aiming for something closer to the original show
Clearly Aang and Korra were both white cis-het male christians or something
I think something with a concept like this would be really cool if the twin was a main antagonist, "defying" all known laws of bending by being a "second avatar" with the basic 'split at birth' type of twin story. This would make for some INSANE fan theories, lore drops, and red herring opportunities for the writers to throw in there to mislead theorists.
The series has shown that while usually good natured at their core, The Avatar is rarely infallible and often leaves a mistake that falls on their next life to fix.
Perhaps by having two avatars who are contrary to each other, offering a different perspective and opinions. That can work with or keep the other in check, in order to create a more flexible, more powerful, but also better self regulated force of balance in the world.
I think it would make for a really compelling story if one of the twins was indeed a “dark” avatar but over the course of the story (much in a similar way to Zuko’s redemption arc) they slowly start to learn from each other regardless of the spirit inside them and finally find a way to balance the world better than the Raava avatar ever could on their own - I just like the idea that the concept would look deceptively simple and easy for children to understand and then they’d turn it on its head by adding complexity, it may look like “light VS dark” but it has always been about balance right?? And even if it really IS “light VS dark” who ever said light was good? Or that dark was bad? Idk I just see many ways they could handle this trope really well y’know? Though perhaps foolishly, I have hope ig 😅