What if the US Abandons Ukraine?
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Ehhh yeah that really doesn't do you or your facade of impartiality any good...
It also depicts that your sponsor thinks your audience is especially young and impressionable to want to make their own virtual imperial conquests...
Hey from Ireland 🇮🇪👋
bro the audio in the end is fucked
At around 9:46 the audio cuts out before the sponsor segment
@intoEurope
If the western alliance jointly commits we can easily outproduce and outspend Russia without it having a significant impact on our budgets. The emphasis on "if".
Not with my taxes
"we can easily outproduce and outspend Russia" - not this "GDP less than Italy" nonsense again 🤦🤦♂
@@user-yj7um6hv1d EU +US = more than 60% of world economy. + 6 times population. Facts. Not nonsense.
Lol west is dead
Yes, Italy has a higher GDP than Russia. No they can’t outproduce Russia because there is no incentive to do so. They are not under attack. They are trying to figure out how to leverage this conflict to their advantage as is every nation on the planet.
Europe should reindustrialize and actually build a somewhat reasonable military budget and machine. This isn't me calling for total war but the reason of "what if USA isn't able to help" we have gone 2-4 generations without that question and that it's now raising it's issue. As an American myself, I am all for helping our fellow allies but it takes an allied effort to keep our nations secure... not an only American effort. We can have military nations and yet be peaceful. It is always good to have a defense ready. We cannot rid ourselves of a defense if there are oppositions that want to and will cause us harm. USA can't keep halting all conflicts everywhere all the time. We as a civilian people are getting sort of annoyed seeing our tax dollars going out and not improving what is just basically a stalemate.
With which population? Europe is an aging society, should they hand refugees weapons and call them an army?
Yeah, maybe "civilian people" should not poke their nose into slavic business, if they are not slavic themselves 🙄 Then their tax dollars won't be going out. Civilian people should mind their own civilian business in civilian America.
@Alhussainba idk, Europe as a continent in general are all aging. Including Russia. This is basically Russia's only time to do some sort of notion in the region before they are truly in population decline (if anything the "conflict" just perpetuated the situation for them) but no. European society should not give weapons to undocumented immigrants until they go through proper legal processes to join their respective country.
@@user-yj7um6hv1d "civilian people" interesting
@@user-yj7um6hv1dPoles, Czhehs, slovaks, croats, bulgars also slavs....
15 seconds into the video and you misquote both Russias shell production and europes. Honestly impressive.
Only Spain can produce more than... Any way perun exists
Yea and the end is a train wreck , He says Germany and poland are starting to produce tanks and and it needs time , and after 2 min he says bayning weapons from usa will not the solution, Like wtf this is a temporary solution most countys in europe are opening closed factories and its need time .
@@HiR3x Ya this might be his poorest video yet, i thought it was better when he stuck to economics honestly
@@george-stathopoulosperun primarily covers the ukraine war not the specifics of production of europe and the other powers of the world, he will briefly bring it up but then drop it to go back into what is happening in the war.
@@delta2372 he has a specific video exactly about that. A very good one as well
We Europeans need to invest more in defense.
no, we don't, there is NATO..
And we Europeans are part of NATO 😉
No just stop threatening Russia
You need to invest more into common sense 🙄
We could cut costs on economy refugees and spend it on border protection.
The shell numbers at the beginning are wrong, outdated and quite frankly pointless, considering the difference in weapons systems that utilize these ammunitions, with the european weaponry being overall more focused on pinpoint strikes such as with the PzH2000, and shell production is one of the easiest to scale if a need should actually arise to do so, since the actual militaries of european countries have a separate stockpile designated as the minimum amount which has to be kept in stock by law or organizational guidelines.
And any dependency on American arms is by design, american design, to keep europe dependent on it like this, but we always knew that the US is a terrible supporter if it doesnt have anything to gain immediately by involving itself somewhere, even against the peoples will.
Additionally, as youve stated, the russian civilian economy which was already not the most stable has been running on fumes since the supply chains were cut, and though there are theoretically ways to trade with china and india, its not nearly as viable as the oil exports there, since they have their own production chains for most of these products.
A country cannot sustain itself on a war economy for nearly as long as was theorized by its early proponents, especially nowadays. And the more these industries are inflated now, the longer the fall once the war is over, no matter if won or lost.
On the opposite site you have a group of countries which not only have vastly superior buying power and supply chains, as well as straight up better weapons systems, they also combined have a trained force equal to russias now quite exhausted and organizationally rotten and understaffed military, with the only difference being russias ability to potentially field 20 million additional soldiers as barely trained soldiers.
Also citing Iran and North Korea as "successful" isolated economies is perhaps not the best example...
Why is there a few seconds of video with no audio near the end at 9:50 ?
All in all i dont quite understand what the point or message of this video is supposed to be beyond sensationalist doomerism.
very concise! this is what I came to the comments to look for, and you delivered. Thank you for your comment!
I must be missing something because I know Ucraine was promised by EU 1 million shells and got about 300.000 this year. There is no logic to your conclusion. You simply put it like " if a need would actually arise.." the europeans would easily scale up the production. So, in your mind, we are not there yet 😳?
Have you been on this planet in the past couple of years?
The US don't seem to think it's pointless since the Pentagon has decided that they are going to increase production SIXFOLD to 90,000 shells per month, however, that is going to take at least 2 years. Yet ukraine use about 6k shells/day so it would literally take 2 years of ramped up wartime industrial production to produce a little more than half of what Ukraine already uses every month, and that assumes that they send literally 100% of it to Ukraine, not even replenishing their own stocks or that of South korea or even sending anything to Taiwan, Japan or israel.
The more precise weapons system worked well against an opponent like iraq but in ukraine however sheer firepower is the deciding factor, Russia expends more ordnance in a couple months than the totality of shells the US sent thus far. Ukraine has no real answer to this as they don't have enough artillery to mount any effective counter-battery fire.
This video uses data and talking points of russian government, and so essentially is a mere extention of russian propaganda machine
@@edik2507 like, what?!
It's important to highlight that although Russia sells oil to India, it does not have any profit from this. You see, India buys Russian oil for Indian rupees, which are used only inside India and which can be exchanged only if Indian Central Bank allows to do so. It hasn't given such permission to Russia. Russian profits are effectively stuck inside India and the only thing Russian companies can do now with this money is... to reinvest them in India i.e. India is the only beneficiar of this scheme.
If this it true, it would be a big brain play from India
I think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that indian rupees can only be used inside India. Plenty of countries deal with India and so would happily buy indian rupees at a slight discount.
@@BernasLL true. Blind defense of ue
@@BernasLL It is illigal to take rupees out of India. You can google it. Or use this official info from Indian Gov.: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=hcisingapore.gov.in/pdf/guide_travelers_to_india.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjflL77r8iCAxVyxAIHHZqPCU8QFnoECBAQBg&usg=AOvVaw0mS_WoI003pEe4YiN-gsid
And, the Brics bank is making currency exchange between Brics countries. In fact Russia can use i
India money to buy almost anything. Rupee is good money.
Where do you get the numbers? Russian artillery production is about 1m, while EU production is now at 600k and US production is around 500k.
EU doesn't produce that many shells and neither does the US, give sources please.
@@senpai8435 on the official EU website they acknowledged 2 weeks ago they would miss the goal of delivering 1m rounds to Ukraine this year, partially due to other export clients. They don’t give exact production numbers, but say that Rheinmetall alone plans to produce 600k. Before the war production was 300-350k and a doubling for this year is likely. The long term plan is above 1m. The US has a pre-war production of 200-250k and ramped up to allegedly 500k. They don’t acknowledge exact numbers because in the US artillery production is state-owned by while in the EU it is private.
@@tobiwan001 Delivering and producing are two separate things and it looks like you're guesstimating rather than providing factual information. Russian production annually is one million shells with the goal of 2 million, information provided by independent sources and acknowledged by western observers.
@@senpai8435 nobody knows exact Russian production and there are plenty of sources that support the numbers for the EU and US. But obviously not all is public. Russia produced more than the US and the EU before the war, because their doctrine was much more artillery focused. Whether their current figures are newly produced or reworked shells is btw unclear. But you acknowledge my numbers for Russia. And that’s also a guess.
Over 3 million confirmed
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$950,000 PROFIT within 3months he invested
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Same I feel like I'm missing out on quality time with my loved ones because I'm always working to make ends meet. It's frustrating.
Video is decent, but missing some context, like European countries increasing production, no mention of the UK at all, Ukraine's production (think FPV drones). I think if USA stops aid to Ukraine there is a possibility of Europe buying directly from American industry to sustain Ukraine as well, but think of that only as a contingency option. Only time will tell how this plays out
Given that Russia's primitive resources economy is hardly bigger than the Benelux, Europe would hardly even notice if it was to outspend it. It's already like Russia is putting half of its state budget into this project while the west is committing something like 0,1% of its gdp to it. Given the level of threat an insane war crazed fascist dictatorship with nuclear weapons present on Europe's doorstep, it's will just have to marginally step up its effort if necessary. Letting Putin win this is not an option
Not another GDP-less-than-Italy nonsense 🤦 You repeat this myth over and over again.
@@user-yj7um6hv1d well but it's true though. Here look it up on Wikipedia, you can add the Benelux together en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
You might think this is not true if you look at gdp on purchasing power parity. But in a war economy that doesn't say anything about the relative weight of a country, only the absolute size of the economies can be compared. Which in the case of Russia is puny compared to Europe even, and a speck of dust compared to the combined West.
And it's not only tiny, it's also extreme primitive, based on sticking a tube in the ground and expecting dollars to come out. Or making outdated and low quality industrial products mainly for the military, aimed at making every neighboring country's life miserable.
So yeah the Russian economy is indeed smaller than Italy (or France or UK or Germany or Canada or the Benelux). The actual myth is Russia's "superpower" status.
@@usernamenotavailable999the high gdp of european countries is mainly due to the service sector.
Nevertheless it's a great achievement during peace time.
Too bad that the EU decided to become a side of the war instead of becoming a medium vowing for peace, which led to the price increase of resources.
I think the "spring-counteroffensive" greatly showed the actual production capabilities of the western alliance.
A handful of tanks and ifv's which have been accumulated for more than half a year, and then got blown to kingdom come. Now the US decides to push all of funding Ukraine on the EU.
Or the near issue of constant shell production which calls for taking strategic reserves form SK and Israel(that worked well).
Kinda funny that nato struggles against a country with such a small GDP, right?
And this inability to adequately increase production of arms and munitions appears to slowly create an anti-war effect like in Slovakia, in which the newly elected leader of the country has banned sending arms and munitions.
A rather intersting phenomenon indeed, but kinda too late and too slow, since european manufacturers are declining at a more rapid pace due to high resources cost, imported from the US.
By the time europians will understand they've been fiddled, US most likely would already have finished sucking Europe's production capabilities. That, or europians wont suspect a thing, judging by the idiocracy in this comment section, with morons circlejerking about GDP numbers.
Too bad those numbers cant produce any actual products.
@@VIT-ey8wo Europe is perfectly capable of stepping up its military production capacity, it's more of an issue of perceived urgency or the lack of it. Russia is not only lacking in gdp numbers but it also runs a backward, outdated and incompetent military and production capacities that are nowhere in the vicinity of NATO's. That's why it has to use half of its state budget and beg Iran and North Korea, of all places, for industrial goods, in order to maintain a traumatic, losing war effort.
Eu and the collective west notices barely anything in the meanwhile and is only starting to realize this nuisance might take some extra effort from it to get rid of.
@@VIT-ey8wo "I think the "spring-counteroffensive" greatly showed the actual production capabilities of the western alliance." what a moronic statement.... it does not dawn on you that production of europe arming itself and ukraine at the same time.. then again the bot is not a smart person to begin with... you have no clue what gpd is or how the economy works or what arming another country takes...
If Only Europe had Canada, Alaska, Australia and New Zealand it would have put...
A lot of misquoted information here.
Cites "Russian Official Sources" far too much to be taken seriously.
And Poland isn't only buying tanks... They're buying factories for tanks and artillery with help from South Korea.
That's a significant development glossed over in this report
damn russophobe))
3:17 "in the face of this western coalition russia has been quite alone" no it wasn't (Iran, North korea, Central asia, China)
What can you expect from a German 🇺🇦
@@NeoZondix He isn't German, I think he is Belgian. But thank you for your trust in us Germans …
Didn't finish the video before commenting, eh?
@@hape3862 from Ukraine it seems like you live in a slowpoke fairytale world. Sorry
@@NeoZondix You should think about who helps you the most and not bite the hand that feeds you, sorry. Germany owes you nothing, we have over a million Ukrainian refugees here, have given you billions in money and military equipment and humanitarian aid. And just these days we have decided to double our aid to Ukraine next year. There are enough Putin bootlickers in Germany who would rather stop our aid to Ukraine today than tomorrow - and your demanding and impatient attitude is not helping to keep them in check. So perhaps you might reconsider your manners, because comments like "what can you expect from a German" make it difficult for even the most ardent supporters of Ukraine aid (like myself) to sympathize with you, not to mention the effect on Ukraine-haters/Russia-lovers.
It’s frustrating as a European. The Americans have the best geography in the world but we have people. The EU should be able to match the Americans and that’s what we should aim for. A European Federation to match the US power.
preach brother
That would require you guys paying even more taxes on top of what you already pay, or reducing cooperation tax + downsizing your welfare State to make more fiscal space for defence spending.
Thats precisely why I don't get the praise to Poland for imvestimg more into military. 90% of that was US and SK, and from the few purchases that weren't from those 2 were mostly Norway and UK. Its worse for everyone this way
Sanctions are working on Russia. Russia has only managed to increase the military complex by sending people from elsewhere in this section. But these people are missing elsewhere. Also dead people can't work anymore so the Russian economy is slowly becoming a wareconomy. During the War that's good but after...
The other parts of the economy are lacking more and more behind which will lead to an economic collapse after the sanctions end
Sanctions are working. They effectively pushed Russia into China's hands. Now instead of buying European goods, Russia is buying Chinese goods. Good job, Europe 👏
No, everything is all right in Russia.
I always appreciate the thoughtful, balanced content from this Site. As an American, I don't believe Trump will win. Even if he would , he would have way to much push back to be able to abandon Ukraine altogether. The vast majority of Americans support Ukraine. His threats have been a way to get Europeans to pay for there their own security (% wise).
So much to unpack with this comment. “As an American i don’t believe trump will win” 😂😂😂 you realize he has a clear majority at this point over Biden and that’s with polling always being skewed towards the left. “Vast majority of Americans support Ukraine” no they don’t lol. Either you need to go outside more or make more friends because you live in an echo chamber if you believe any of this.
Well thats how alot of boomers who watch msnbc think like yourself. Also most people in america really dont care, we lose interest very quickly.
We want you out of europe
0:05 *just curious, what alliance did you exactly highlight in Europe?* (eg. NATO/ 🇪🇺 EU)
...as it includes both 🇬🇧UK & 🇮🇪Ireland, but not 🇮🇸Iceland, 🇹🇷Türkiye. 🇦🇿Azerbaijan, or the Western Balkans, so just curious!
Ireland and Austria and Sweden aren't in NATO. So it not that.
And norway and Britain aren't EU. So it's not that.
If it was eea Switzerland would be highlighted. So I guess it's just a bad map
No kidding
The quality of the video is suddenly bad. What happened ?
It's important I think to remember at least that like Ukraine, Eastern Europe will not simply roll over if ever Russian forces come knocking. With or without supplies from the USA, the European continent at least has the morale to defend itself from Russia.
As a neuteal, I doubt Russia has any interest in going beyond lviv and odessa.
Also, the ukraknian motivation and morale to fight was 10x more than eu members will ever have.
Without the US cover, eu is not equipped mentally and physically to put up a fight. They will cut deals with Putin before a bullet was ever fired.
Don't think Russia has any interest in taking Europe or any other land outside of Russia. East-Ukraine became a gray area when Ukraine backed by USA and NATO bombed, killed civilians and stationed NATO military infrastructure to that area. That is a very clear and red line for Russia. Russia is thus trying to remove that threat "Ukraine war" now atm as we speak. The people of East-Ukraine are also mostly favored for Russia and their culture. Aside from that Russia is already the largest country by land size and has already many difficulties on its own. More land is not sustainable nor manageable and Putin knows that.
If Europe or NATO starts to directly involve itself in the war or threaten Russia sovereignty directly, Russia would bring in the big bombs. And that is why that is not gonna happen.
@@opstruun4699 on gov television they say that the Baltic countries and Poland will be next in between nuclear threats
@@opstruun4699what NATO military infrastructure was stationed exactly?
Russia will just take one country at a time starting eastern countries.
Western Europe doesn’t really care about Eastern Europe anyway so by time Russia gets to west, it would be size of Soviet Union so good luck fighting that.
Putin is not responsible to anyone right now. They are not a democracy. If he says they want to increase military production by double they do it and worry about the particulars later. You also have to worry about “graft” in this system. There have been reports that Russia was producing artillery and tank shells, but had no explosives in them. There is a reason that Russia is having to run to Iran and North Korea for support.
you're missing the largest areas that that Europe is dependent on the us in logistics and intelligence. The us invests massively in its ability to gather, digest and disseminate information to its and allied forces, all the himars in the world are useless if you don't know where to shoot. and its logistics are the back bone of all NATO operations.
I think he underestimate the EUs resolution to help Ukraine win. And also how far Ukraine is willing to go to win. EU just need to spend an extra 0,5% of gdp to keep the war going forever, meanwhile Russia has to spend over 10% putting a huge pressure on an already struggling economy with a crumbling infrastructure. Ukraine will win because they have everything to lose, meanwhile the Russians has little to lose and they will eventually grow tired, like the USA did during Vietnam. It might take another 5 years though.
And here's reality: the longer Ukraine fights its futile fight, the more it will lose. As for Russia, you are completely misinformed about what is at stake for them, and comparing these historically Russian lands, populated by Russians and located right next to Russia to USA's imperialist adventures and atrocities in Vietnam is just plain stupid. As for EU, it is in fact the one that is "crumbling" economically, not Russia.
Ukraine doesn't have the population to sustain a fight for five years. Their demographics have taken huge hit already.
@@boony7544 your not getting the point. Ukraine is fighting for its nation’s survival, Russia is not. It’s only Putins own reputation that will get hurt, in which he is of course willing to let millions of Russian die for, but eventually the Russians will have enough of this war. Losing a son fighting a war for the survival of its nation is one thing but losing a son fighting a war that does not threaten the existence of the nation is another. And you will see that soon enough.
@@hyhhy EU gdp - 17,5 trillion vs Russia 1.7trillion EU infrastructure is a month the best in the world while Russia outside Moscow is one of the worst. Anyway, it’s meaningless to try and convince you with facts, otherwise we would not have this conversation in the first place. Let time show you instead…
@@boony7544 Simply incorrect. With the current level of losses and attrition in manpower, Ukraine can sustain this war for decades. Check the last findings of A.P Nielsen about the subject.
I don't think it was right sponsor for this video
Weakness of Europe and dependance on US is self-made, no other ones to blame. They abandoned army and defense industry for so-called "peace dividend". But military spending is kind of bank savings or insurance for rainy day. Now is the rainy day. They should boost their military readiness and ammo stock. But in this day, they are hesitating to commit investment in ammo production capacity, in fear that Ukraine war will end soon. This shows how shortsighted and incompetent in managing long term plan and risk for national security. If Ukraine falls, next is Europe.
That really ignores history, but ok.
Why would the USA withdraw? This the Military Industrial Complex’s wet dream…
Because China and Iran wanna get froggy lately and we need to divert resources
@@spondoolie6450 Iran is just a second wet dream.
Putin saying Ukraine could not last a week is not a source that can and should be quoted as if it's an actual fact. Overall feels like you did a very poor job on this video, misquotes, using Russian data as some sort of source.
A u disrespect Putin, re tard?
Audio and video don’t match
La vidéo a été ciblée par des trolls ou quoi ?????
Europe could do it alone, we are just unwilling to spend the money necessary. Our defence industry is underfundet but in total Europes economy is 10 times larger than Russias. We just have to get our shit together stop waisting money and pledge orders with the industry. At the moment Europe had spent between 100-150 Billion in the last 1,5 years, so well below 1% of its GDP. We could have set up a fond 1 year ago after Russia mobilisation it was clear nukes won't be used so we could have raised 500 Billion to order weapons for the next 3-4 years if we had ordered 2000 Leopard 2s a year ago we could have increased our production by now.
World is getting dangerous. Too much free riding in Europe.
If the US withdrawals support from the war in Ukraine, will it suffer economically without Europe buying its weapons or will it find new markets for its weapons? How important is weapons export to the US economy?
If we can all outlast until 2025, many sources predict that that Western (even just Western European) production could outpace Russian production-provided of course that there is still a concentrated effort by the West to ramp up production to make up stockpiles and of course, support Ukraine
Does Ukraine even have enough soldiers? It feels like everyone is copeing.
@@jamesjames6812 1 million soldiers is enough. Coping is ruzzian thing.
What's going on with the sound in this video? At one point you appear to be saying different words to what I'm hearing, and right at the end your lips are moving but there's just background music.
Europe could cope without the U.S. when it comes to Ukraine, but it is trying very hard not to.
Europe couldn't even survive the winter without US LNG. Let alone the half of all military aid that came from US just for Ukraine.
You know, I went and checked the number. Europe currently has a production capacity of 1 million artillery shells. US is trying to get there in a few years. So we are where they try to be and this is before EU has even increased its production capacity. It takes a few minutes to look these things up. You should know that a lot of these mainstream publications like Politico and The Economist have an extremely strong "US strong EU weak" message. We can debate and speculate on why that is, but when you go into the weeds and look at the statistics, its a very different picture.
Capacity and output are 2 different things. EU and Ukraine seem to feel they absolutely will rely on US manufacturing OUTPUT.
@@icu17siberia US bought artillery shells from South Korea and Egypt and whoever... because they did not have OUTPUT. US has run out of money and supplies for Ukraine 1-2 months back... now they are only voting to give more in February it seems. US cannot be relied upon.
@@icu17siberia According to Assistant Secretary of Defence Doug Bush, US shell production is 36,000. In early 2026 they hope to top 100,000. US is a dwarf compared to what European manufacturing can do.
Well, if Trump becomes president of the US again in 2025, I guess the US would stop helping Ukraine, knowing what we know about Trump's relationship with Putin and his oligarchs. So then Europe and Canada would simply have no choice but to intesify their support to ensure that Ukraine can defend itself and ensure its survival as an independent country.
And since this is a war of conquest, it is an existential war not only for Ukraine but by extention also for the Baltic states and Poland. These countries see their very existence is under threat once again.
Does barisma strikes a bell?
What do we know about Trump's relationship with Putin and his oligarchs? Because as far as I know, they've found basically nothing up till now.
@@Toivo58479 what makes you think Trump has any political ideology at all?
Biden is the one taking bribes front russian and Ukrainian oligarchs
russia attacking poland and baltic country argument is like nato "expanding" argument. its a stretch.
You fail to mention that USA munitions production is not USA made only... Poland alone signed a deal to export 1.5 billion dolar worth of TNT to the USA this year. And as far as i did reserch, USA signed 8 such deals... So you aproach the issue from Macron's like fantasy of "strategic sowerenity" nonsense, where EU and USA are in some kind of tiktok chellenge of whom can support Ukraine more. But that is, just as Macron himself, laughable.
USA can´t be without Europe either. Off course the two spheres are now more separated than 50 years ago in terms of ideology and thinking. But Europe sets the Standard for quality of life, and maybe it's its highest exporter. Rules aare actually important for people not to fall into the neo-liberal jungle
European cope. Where do Americans need Europe? Provide an example.
@@Wilhelmofdeseret you're right. They don´t cope because they don´t need Europe, but maybe Europe doesn´t need the US either, it's all in the mind. Before the US became a thing, people in America already had their own weird ways of organization. And in Europe the same. I don´t think we're talking about self-suficiency, but rather the morality and ethical issues. If the US is the super-power by excellence and is using the "world-police" card to justify this power, then please do so act on that world-police, and help Ukraine, otherwise the power is useless, all this capitalistic violence is useless, and the world, including Europe doesn´t need the US.
@@Wilhelmofdeseret Semi conductor tech. Europe could cut the Americans out of all supply chains and instead hand them on a golden platter to China. Not saying the Europeans should, but as an American you'd have to be delusional to think Europe brings nothing to the table. Unfortunately, many Americans are arrogant enough to think just that.
@@RuiCBGLima that was a whole lotta of nothing. Most Americans don’t want want to be the world police. We want to be left alone and most of y’all to leave us alone and you’re lying if you think the Europe doesn’t need the US. Europe isn’t even self sufficient unless you’d rather be beholden to someone else then go ahead. Most of y’all have such a warped sense of what Americans want. Actually go to America and talk to Americans because Europeans are out of touch.
@@WilhelmofdeseretFrom a British perspective you'd be suprised by how much you rely on us in intelligence and military operations.
Germoney has renewables
Thanks for support 🇺🇦❤️🇪🇺
Problem with tthe editing of the video?
Are they building a new Eurofighter? Germany just went F35, damn ruzzians
Eurofighter program was a disaster...
Tranche 4 Eurofighters are on order (+ ECRS Mk.1 and Mk.2 being finalized/developed), and a production line for F35 airframes is being built in Germany.
the subtitles are super wonky on this one
America won't pull out of supporting Ukraine. Supplies to Ukraine may drop a little but Ukraine will still receive the support it needs.
How is the US likely to stop tgeir support.... most unlikely.
If Europe does abandon support for Ukraine it will be France and Germany who walk away first. They just want to get back to business as usual with Russia
if we include germanys share of the EU help they spend ~ 38 billion + costs for accepting ukraininan refugees which is estimated at ~ 13.9 billion for a total of 52 billion €
this totals at about 1.3% of germanys gdp
US aid has been about 70 billion€ which totals at about 0.3% of US GDP - somehow i dont think you can blame germany in this for too little support
Then it would literally break the EU as we know it. And Russia wins and Ukraine becomes another Russian part with grey skyscrapers and mud and shit with grey cold mucky weather.
Subtitles in 3:43 say 2020 when you mean and say 2022
That is the definition of “vassal state”😅
No it isn't?
One of not many videos with correct map of Ukraine. Thank You
EU has made a big mistake to go soft on Russia.
And never investing in its own military, what an embarrassment.
There is so much ignorance in your comment, I don't even know where to start.
The EU is primarily an economic union, not a political one, so it has very little unified external diplomacy. It can't do anything significant to Russia.
Every country in the EU has got a different attitude and diplomatic relationship to Russia, ranging from openly hostile to very friendly.
The EU has no military. Some countries have indeed under-invested in their military, while others have been investing as if it were still the cold war.
Countries such as Germany, Hungary, Austria and Italy have been purposefully handicapped in their military industry by the UN security council members due to them being on the losing side in WW2.
Others have been discouraged for decades by the USA and the USSR from becoming military superpowers, and have never had any military industry to speak of.
We were deluded that war is no longer an option.
@@user-th5ui4ib3y The world is much bigger now, there wasn’t gigantic nations unified like India, China, Brazil and so on
@@abdiganiaden yeah, scary. the world wasn't even peaceful with two superpower, but with five...
@@maszk9743 And that is exactly why Europe needs to invest in its own military power, you literally answered the obvious question here why it falls short EU not investing in a military.
Old conditions based on the past do not suit todays geopolitical climate and world powers, you either build your own, or fall behind only to be vulnerable to attacks from Russia while your allies may not have been allies at all.
A quick calculations to close any loophole inevitably from going wrong is Europe´s weakness.
The US isnt pulling out from supporting Ukraine anytime soon. With or without Trump.
I don't know about Trump. He clearly wants to be a dictator himself.
@aximilian15 yeah but he'd just be the prez. Deep state really runs things and would never pull support
@@aximilian15cool story. He wont be allowed to be ultimately.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Not if people arent idiotic enough to vote for him no
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Maybe he can’t be, but he will certainly try.
Wow there are a lotta people coping. He did a pretty fair take, yeah he could have cited his sources but it was decent. Seems like everyone here just wants to hear what they want.
Biased sources*
These channels always degenerate into making videos for Americans because it makes them more money. You are right, people want to hear what they want to hear. But those people aren't the Europeans in the audience. It's the Americans he's trying to clickbait into watching this. The shell production he states at the beginning is already outdated and he was comparing apples with oranges. Not an honest way to start the video, let alone build your entire premise on.
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@@schtreg9140 these videos are hardly biased towards Americans 🤡😂😂 they’re actually biased towards the European outlook he just is stating facts that are obvious that Europe is very much behind the US at this point.
Russia can sustain the war for a extra decade or two because it has a relatively low debt compared to its gdp.
I've been following you for a while. Your content is really interesting but your quality is very inconsistent and in this case especially bad. Please put more effort in.
We should have open, fair trade with Europe, but take our military out and stop trying to get them to do anything and stop giving them any money. A lot of them hate our guts anyway
True. We don’t need to pay for protecting countries who hate us
sir your information is wrong in the beginning.
Some of these numbers can't be true. Fact check please and reupload.
Which numbers?
@@IntoEuropeIf you have to ask you just confirm his claims, of poor research.
@@IntoEuropeRead the other comments plenty points it out too
@@Schumilex5 that makes no sense he is trying to investigate by asking which numbers were wrong. You just don't like the numbers.
6:58 lip sync fail lol
5 thoughts:
The EU/NATO/"the West" would have the military capability to drive Russia out of Ukraine. But for better or for worse (nukes etc.), "we" didn't and don't have the balls to use our equipment - and our (wo)men - directly against Russia.
I feel Europe is right to/must increase arms production, with the goal of ensuring air superiority (+ mutually assured destruction in the case of a nuclear attack).
However, by now, soon 2 years into the war, I can't help but feel it would be better for Ukraine/the EU/the World to be open to accepting territorial losses in exchange for a stop to the destruction of human lives, towns and agricultural land.
Of course, Putin would have to agree aswell. So I wonder if Putin would agree to a ceasefire +peace treaty along the current lines of control (without a retreat to pre-2022 or even pre-2014 borders, as I think Zelensky is demanding).
If this were to happen, Europe must not fall into the trap of letting Russia do it all again in 10 years, and, as I said above, invest in its defence.
The loss of Ukraine is not the end of the want for more territory in Russia. It may lead only be a ceasefire at best with Russia using more of their money to rearm and attack again. Russia has taken parts of Georgia in the Caucasus Region and the their next target could become the Baltics, Finland, or Poland. In such a scenario of an attack by Russia, the loss of NATO countries territory especially in the Baltics, may lead to a threat of nuclear exchange becoming a dangerous possibility in both sides with no clear winner. Ukraine is the best chance in the fight against the Russians to prevent Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) from happening by taking back their homeland. Reenforcing the message in territorial sovereignty of nation states will shows a precedent in showing other nations that conquest will not be tolerated .
Yep. European complacency is incredibly dangerous.
I thought it was established as common sense that putin doesn't honor any agreements and the "peace treaty" would be simply a cover to rearm and attack again.
this is opposite to what the above comment implied@@SlapStyleAnims
Your shahid belt, is it fitting you well?
Even Joe isn't such a dumbass to go to direct war against nuclear superpower that will wipe out all of NATO if it really will be threatened.
I like the idea of your channel but I honestly don't like the execution. I'd prefer if people would come forward with their Atlanticist and pro-US bias. You misrepresented the shell production of both the EU and Russia right from the get go and the video title is obviously meant for a certain audience.
Not a fan. I don't even see a reason to watch this. The dislikes make sense to me as well.
The EU is running behind because they chose to turn this aid into an “economic” development project vs. just getting Ukraine munitions. They could have purchased from US, UK, or international market. They instead chose to try to build and expand new factories within the block.
The view you present is a typical human view. Both directly involved parties are the losers, the winners of this war are the western countries that do have weapons manufactures. The most important factor in this war is demographics
In order for Europe to catch up all countries should set their military budget to be at 6% of GDP. Allocation should go 3% to buying arms and 3% to building up their own industries.
The USA should raise its spending as well to 6% of GDP if it hopes to prepare for a multi front war of attrition
I think you have an overly optimistic view on Russia. To be 1.5 years into a war, still in a war, 100,000's dead (young men with their entire lives to produce), sanctioned by the richest countries in the world (locking you out of money and brain capital), the exodus of a million technically skilled Russians, and have a "booming" economy is a little much. Not that the sanctions regime has gone perfectly, but the overall effect is suffocating (or else why does Putin complain so much about "illegal sanctions").
Russians have no power of accountability over Putin - who is currently sending them off to die in Ukraine - so Putin must do everything possible to quell any sort of dissent (there is no peaceful transfer of power here) including fudging numbers, drawing attention to the successes, and burying losers. Seriously, if you were Putin, would you ever report a bad number? Why? It makes no sense. (Similar case for China.)
Russia already has poor demographics, and it's going to get worse. Sanctions are not like a tank shot where you pull the trigger at one moment and see a destroyed building the next - this is a mold that slowly eats away at the constitution of your country. They will be lacking labor in the future, skilled labor especially: lots of their skilled labor left, some young ones are disheartened, some are drafted, and you're not exactly attracting skilled immigrants.
Now, Putin has billions of dollars and an entire country in his hands. Does he have options to try and out flank the sanctions? Of course. He's a little cockroach and doing a great job of it. But you must remember that as he's scrounging around the black market looking for spare parts, there's a vicious Western CEO already creating the next product. The disparity between Russia playing catch up and the West already being in the future will be the killer of Russia in the future.
To be frank, I think part of Putin's stability is that nobody wants (or even knows how) to take over the incredible mess his country is tied in.
Russia did trade their 100,000 men for new 10,000,000 people from east south Ukraine
@@user-cz1mz3pp9nand almost all of them are disloyal and rebellious
"100,000's dead" - remind me, how many Ukrainian refugees are there? Like, 6 millions? "Sanctioned by the richest countries" - good job on pushing Russia right into China's hands. Now instead of buying European goods, we'll buy Chinese ones. "Overall effect is suffocating" - yes, we are very suffocated. Please, have mercy.
I highly doubt Russias reported production numbers lol for how poor there economy is, it seems unlikely unless they plan on being the new NK.
Not this GDP-less-than-Italy nonsense again 🤪🤦
nonsense? like the capabilities of Russian fighters or air defense systems?@@user-yj7um6hv1d
Love your videos, but has anyone told you that you look like John Oliver's evil nephew?
5:31 meanwhile in Russia there are fully automatic drone trucks "Robocop".
On what planet does this guy live?
Europe being freeloaders again, who knew??
Russia > EU
russians don't have even toilets dude rusky < EU
Donr forget that other nation that can sustain losses and tolerate immense suffering: Ukraine. They are almost 'russian' in their willpower to continue fighting regardless of the price to pay. Every day they are reminded what happens when they give up : it will not get better, but worse.
Last thing the west needs is Ukraine isolated, then they will consider going nuclear in 2 years. And they will have no restraint in hitting ANY kind of economic targets, meaning global prices for russian export products like oil will rise.
But as Perun showed and A.P Nielsen noted: both warring nations will not run out of manpower neither war industry for decades, it will end in a battle of willpower. They will compensate, adapt and continue their struggle as long as it takes.
Yeehaw, globalisation!!
meh
I'll be sure to enjoy both air videos which you pointed out.
I am American since the end of World War II we have carried the vast majority of the defense expenditure to protect Europe. In 1945 was a bomb doubt shell that needed protecting. Now they have plenty of money to do it for themselves. I believe in helping Ukraine, but I think the majority of the money should come from Europe. It is in their backyard not ours. I also think they need to cover the majority of the cost of NATO. NATO is not in America’s best interest. Do you really think the French are gonna come to our age if the Canadians invade? The Europeans would rather spend their money on cradle to grave Socialism than their own defense. But that is not a compelling reason for Uncle Sam to pick up the tab.
Jeesus christ ignorance sure is a bliss
what do you expect from a self-identifying "capitalist pig" ?
@@MHG796
Europe always followed the US in their disastrous adventures, so yeah, they would help the US in case Canada, for some reason (probably legitimate) invaded. However, I do agree that we should take care of our defense. That will be the only way we can break our dependence on the US and tell them no when they need it.
@@filipe5722 thanks for your reply. I agree America does some dumb things like spending trillions of dollars in the Middle East but also we’ve spent trillions of dollars defending Europe since the end of World War II and Japan and the rest of the world and that needs to stop. America spends about 4% of its GDP on defense you can argue that is too higher too low, but some European countries can barely spend one percent. They are obviously counting on uncle Sam to bail them out. Now the Europeans have a different outlook on life they like their socialism. They like their cradle to grave nanny state. And that’s fine if that’s what they want. I just don’t wanna subsidize it. As for politics, I would rather America be more isolationist and not get involved in all this crap overseas. And I’m sure a lot of Europeans feel the same way so it might be in our mutual interest for America to pull out of NATO close our bases and let you peoplesolve your own problems. Anyways, thanks for your reply.
I see here a lot of comments related to wrong numbers. Apart of that the discussion in Europe started to become a hard power - this usually never ended good, so maybe for the first time there is a good chance to make it run properly 😂. The EU's aim shall be to assimilate Russia in the next decades. With that our new neighbour China will be checkmate.
The video says
includes paid promotion.
Have you been paid by Russia?
Genuine question.
This a poorly made video with many assumptions aligning perfectly with Russian propaganda.
Also your mentioning of sanctions having with time less effects on Russia is one of the most bizarre and unsubstantiated statements.
That’s just straight out of Russia Today propaganda.
For anyone who’s interested in a more serious analysis I would advice to check on Igor Lipsic (Игорь Липсиц) his the Professor of economy, he worked at Russian government at some point. He have 16 videos on his channel where him in detail with data gives analysis of what’s happening to Russia now and why sanctions haven’t been effective as far and what to happen next,
Weird video. I think you're underestimating Europe massively. What do you mean we dont have domestic arms production? The German military itself was underfunded yes. But Germany has been the 3rd to 4th biggest arms exporter in the world over the last decades. If we would really commit we could outproduce Russia easily. Its not so much about capacity but about money and commitment.
Fun Fact: It was Russia who saved The Union during the American Civil War as they sent their Navy to San Francisco and New York when England and France were just about to enter the war on the side of the Confederates since London created the Confederates. France was already in Mexico making a spear head movement to resupply the Confederates and to open up a Pacific Theatre and to create a port in California. England already amassed 11,000 troops and growing stationed at their Northern Confederacies border now called Canada ready to open a Northern Theatre to divert Union troops away from their Southern Confederacy then to attack The Unions naval blockade. The Union would have been completely destroyed and annexed by those two great powers leaving the Confederates to exist as either a puppet state of London or to be fully brought back into the fold of the British Empire.
London was already courting (threatening/bribing) other countries to get involved like Spain while Russia was in talks with Prussia to ally with incase London was to intervene.
Seeing all of this Tsar Alexander II wrote a letter to Queen Victoria saying “If you enter in this war it will be a casus belli for all out war with the Russian Empire”. The stage was set for the 1st World War and Russia stopped it.
There is also a memorial in San Francisco for the
hundreds of Russian sailors who came off their Asiatic fleet ships that died while helping the city put out a fire that threatened to lay waste to it during the War.
The Russian fleet also threatened to Shell Australian ports along with other British Pacific Colonies if Britain aided the Confederates. A confederate war ship spent a lot of time in Australian waters and was supported by the Australian public, some even signing on as crew members. This Confederate war ship laid waist to the US Pacific whaling fleet and is reported to have fired the last shot in the war
Russia also helped Thailand (Kingdom of Siam) maintain its sovereignty from being completely Partitioned/Annexed from the British and French around the same time. The very word Thai (ไทย) means 'free man' in the Thai language which is partially to thank to the Russians as they might have ended up being a colony or part of another country/colony if not for their intervention.
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How did the PRESIDENT mess up “it’s the USA for god’s sake!”😭
Seriously, you need to get other advertisers for your videos. A World War III game, really? Completely destroyed your credibility as a reputable source on geopolitical news.
I do like your videos but that's just wrong.
You open with "The Russian War Economy Has Been Booming". That's simply not true. The economy shrank by 2.1% in 2022 and is forecast to shrink again in 2023 (estimates vary between 0.2% and 2.3% decline). Didn't watch the rest as your whole premise is incorrect.
Russia overtakes Germany to become fifth biggest economy in the world in GDP on a PPP basis - just google this phrase, it was quite recent
@@demidrol5660 Ok firstly that was a story published by RT and subsequently picked up by bne. It has been discredited by world bank and IMF data, among others. But regardless of whether it's slightly above or slightly below Germany (which has its own economic issues) in PPP terms its economy has shrunk since the war began so how can that be described as "booming"?
Doesn't matter. In other words, the overall effect on economy of Russia is very modest. Like, 2-3% even though US President Joe Biden said sanctions were designed to cut Russia’s economy in half and turn the ruble into “rubble” as punishment.
@@liammullan2197 it's kind of obvious. First reason of why the economy is booming because we try to rebuild and restore all these burned to the ground cities, such as Mariupol, Volnovakha, Luhansk etc. The construction companies work around the clock. Second reason is replacement of imported goods. Stolen planes still fly, but we need to speed up the development of SSJ-100. A lot of money flows into R&D. Third reason is instability plays in favor for Russia. We sell raw materials and when something unexpected happen, commodity prices go up. We make a profit off that.
@@user-yj7um6hv1d The economy hasn't collapsed so therefore it is booming. There are always plenty of fools willing to be spoon fed the Orwellian Kremlin logic.
Europe could easily scale up arms production to levels Russia could never even hope to match either in quality or in quantity. It would just be very inefficient and expensive as compared to use existing capacity from the US since they do not expect to use these capacities on timescales necessary to justify the investment economically. But should the US withdraw fully, they would have no choice politically anymore but to scale up. Europe cannot afford Russia to achieve anything in Ukraine.
Yeah, "could". But instead we constantly argue and there is never any action taken. Europe cannot defend it's borders from shaby boats, never mind tackle a military threat from a country like Russia.
It's honestly depressing.
@@ten_tego_tegesDon't underestimate how quickly things can shift once people actually feel the heat. It gets more ugly than needed because of that inherent failure of democracies to act decisively early on but nothing is perfect.
@@drake5518 Fair, but are they changing? It's been almost 2 years since the invasion and I don't see a monumental shift in German actions for instance. There's a lot of talk, SPD has tanked in polls, but I struggle to see any significant actions. German has a best arms producers in Europe, yet remains reluctant to send arms.
I see individual politicians coming out with firm statements, but that's pretty much it. There doesn't seem to be a unified front got change with frontmen, party structure support and an election block ready to act. Every major political force is marred with apathy of ambivalence towards Russia. There is no vision that would rally popular support.
@@ten_tego_teges Well, political forces of inertia do exist, people do not easily let go of long held beliefs. You undererstimate how much of a seismic upheaval this was for specifically the left leaning parties in Germany and some of them still haven't heard the shot. But Germany is second biggest contributor of arms in monetary terms. I was anyway argueing that we are not yet in a phase where they actually really feel the heat.
"Europe cannot afford Russia to achieve anything in Ukraine" - or what? What you gonna do? Let me guess, NATO will use its troops to restore territorial integrity?
True… Poland can’t into space
what they do
Imagine if Europe and Russia allied with eachother in the same way America and Europe have an alliance. It would make Europe into a super power. The October revolution truly doomed any aimicable relationship.
Fun fact: after the USSR collapsed Russia wanted to join nato but the US stepped in and said no
Problem is russia is still perceived as imperial state so any collaboration will take years or even decades
@@magikskittles5496 Russia didn't want to piss off China too much and used NATO membership as potential gamechanger to get aid from USA and better deals with China. USA wanted Russia in NATO but several other factors for example corruption from monkey style privatization leading to economic collapse and bombing of Serbia contributed to membership being scrapped by both sides.
@@magikskittles5496 NATO is an American alliance. A better fit would have been an economic alliance like with the EU. Funnily, a sort of alliance of interests was forming from the German importation of Oil but of course Putin assumed it to be a weakness and cocked that up.
@@ShubhamMishrabro Why is it bad to ally with an imperial state? America is imperial and Europe gets along fine.
The USA cant cope without Europe.
why is he so beautiful?
First
Second, actually. Maybe next time
But muh GDP 😂
you are wrong First, the United States does not have the funds to produce. ‼
Currently, Russia produces 150,000 shells and ammunition per month.
NATO also lacks funds, and the EU alone cannot afford it. Stock is also low.
NATO will have no choice but to disband early next year.
Great job. Promoting a war video game when talking about an ongoing war. Very tasteful 👎
U guys should allow citizens to own powerful weapons, although maybe you guys arent sophisticated enough to trust your neighbors with any power.
I too, feel the US is more sophisticated that the EU when I hear about the 17th school shooting this month.
@@sessan9450 was the last one in Serbia? You are obviously a Neanderthal who uses your emotions and whatever the authorities tell you to guide your thinking. If you looked at the reality of school shootings you would realize they are very rare and often times stopped by strapped civillians.
And having the same school shooting nonsense?, no thank you.
@@Siranoxz say what you want, but 2 world wars weren't fought on American soil for a reason.
Also the most significant blow that western nations have dealt to Russia is that they seized $600 Billion worth of the country foreign reserves, which they now intend to take the profits for those reserves and give to Ukraine. This would be catastrophic for the western bond markets as it would shatter confidence in lending money to them and them it's a race to the bottom from there.
Nonsense. The west has no interest in liquidating bonds at the moment as it would then need to absorb the shortfall so a large drop in money or forced to auction off the equal amount in new bonds with both higher interest rates and pressure in the bond markets.... Yeah not going to happen. Maybe in a year or two form now when interest rates are falling and bond auctions are stable we shall see. Anyway, if you want to give Ukraine money there are better ways to do it then this complicated process, liquidating bonds, giving the payout to Ukraine but then having to auction off new bonds to make up for the shortfall in debts? That is just stupid.
Shatter what confidence, and where else would investors take their money other than the biggest and most versatile economy?
Issue is investors can ignore tiny countries all over, they can never ignore US cause it’s like ignoring quarter of world economy with favorable investor friendly laws.
Only those that want to act like Russia will be and SHOULD be scared.
@@abdiganiaden Are you a bot or a real person? Your commend makes no sense. What has that got to do with Russian owned western bonds?
@@drscopeify I wasn’t even responding to you. I was mentioning how US is last economy to experience “lack of confidence” as said by original poster.
Didn’t even read your comment
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bro imagine muricans voting for trump again...
Imagine still thinking Trump was bad 🤡
They were dumb enough to do it once.
Wrong info, dislike and next
Ukraine make peace with current territory they have or no aid at all.
The same USA than promotes the conflict? Ok
unnecessary war this could have simply end with in few non teritorial concessions
It could simply end if Russia pulls out also. People need to stop treating Russia like a natural disaster with no mind and as a country which can make its own decisions
What kind of concessions do you think would do it?
If it's just something like "Ukraine never joins NATO", I doubt that would do the trick. I believe Putin truly wants Ruzzia to grow again (territorially), and he's willing to sacrifice a whole lot of his people and their wealth for it.
And since the initial attack was in fact somewhat successful, he'll be damned if he's gonna give an inch of it up again.
My 2 cents.
Give up your home for peace then.
Which "few non teritorial concessions" are you talking about?
@@fra604 permanent halt for NATO expansion as russia suggested