@@TaoistSwordsman Sure thing TONG. Is that your real name, or a reference to the implements the doctors used to pull you out of your mother? It looks like the procedure permanently disfigured your face.
I would call a throwing spear a Javelin, since everyone immediately knows I mean a spear for throwing. I'm probably completely and utterly wrong though, since I think a javelin is a type of trowing spear....
scholagladiatoria Masai spear perhaps? The young Masai carry those since they are kinda an utility item. A big spear head is for cutting meat or anything else they need, and spear is used usualy as a hunting instrument. Although it can be used to protect yourself from animals if under attack.
Good call, I couldn't remember the specific name but knew the area and the people who used it. Primary weapon for hunting lions if I remember correctly.
Rogue Qall As I understand it the way the massai sees the lion can be very different. I watched a documentary about lions and massai some time ago. It was a lion on a massai tribes land, only one massai warrior wanted to let the lion live, the others wanted to kill it. Especially the elderman, in the end though that one massai warrior manage to turn the other around and the lion wasn´t killed.
Johan Öhgren That's a great message. It says a lot for the Massai, for their sense of community to listen to the minority and reconsider many generations of tradition to better themselves. If only more societies were so reflective in exorcising such wisdom.
Your videos are quite interesting. Could you please explain the difference between a spear and a lance? Is it that lances are used by cavalry and spears by infantry?
I suppose the very long, light head on the first javelin/spear could have some use in stabilising it in flight. It wouldn't be the most effective way to do it, but it's better than to have very inconvenient fletches at the bottom end of the shaft...
Although it may seem counterintuitive, I think the longer and wider a spearhead is, the more likely it serves dual duty as a hunting weapon for dangerous game. Many of the extremely long and heavy Viking spearheads that people have speculated were for swinging were actually intended for use on bears. This would check out with the leaf-shaped Sudanese spear (many large critters in Africa). You don't need 18 inches x 6 inch wide penetration to kill a human, that's overkill and results in a slower attack. Compare this to the idea behind the extremely lively and thin Daneaxe, which (if you survived the battle) you could bend back into shape afterwards.
The first one looks like a Maasai spear.. I inherited one from my grandfather who got it as a gift when he visited a Maasai village in the 50s .. looks exactly like it. But then again many of the spears from different areas in africa probably look alike.
I'm on mobile so I don't know how to tag people so I just hope you'll wind up seeing this, what would be your opinion on a short spear about a 5" blade? What would you think the use would be?
Do you have any examples of glaves? I do dagorhir sports and we use glaves, but they're not the same as you have probably. I'd like to see a proper one if you've got the chance.
Is there any sigificant difference in function with winged spears? (Hope I'm getting the terminology right) In other words, did winged spears serve a different purpose than non-winged ones?
@scholagladiatoria you describe the shaft of the Sudanese spear as being the thickness that you would expect from a spear shaft, how thick is that? i ask because i'm actually making myself a spear.
Other than the Pilum, I can't think of any spear like weapons that use a head shaped more like a spike. I wonder why the blade design is used so much. I feel like a rondel shape or icepick shape on a spear head would work just as well.
Now, this is strange. Ten comments so far and the one comment I want to reply to mysteriously lacks the "reply" button, which is present on all other commens. Oh well. This one's for you, TheBaconWizard: "höggspjot" does not mean "beheading spear" but "chopping spear", probably best known as an "atgeir". English sources usually translate it with "halberd", but from its descriptions in the sagas it seems more like an asegai.
There is an interesting thesis published a few years back at the university of Iceland about atgeir and kejsa. Kejsa being with lugs and good for seabattle and atgeir probably with diamond tip i:e square with strong back and mail piercing tip. James McMullen wrote the thesis and it has been published in Journal of medieval history volym 12 or pdf skenman. is/get/1946/17680/41144/3/_McMullen__-Thesis-__May_-_2014 Google the latter. Hugg-/Högg- is the same as Hew in English "Höggspjut" " Hewing spear " Scandinavian words are not that different from old English words.
That Sudanese head reminds me a bit of a 16th?? Century German boar spear I always liked the look-of. There is a Viking weapon of unknown detail except it was a polearm of some kind called a höggspjót or "beheading spear" and I wondered if it may have had a similar profile.
I had an idea for a cross between a tazer and a spear to be used by riot police. the head would be a blunted end cap with two 1" to .5" electrified prongs, the wires would run down the shaft and connect to a battery pack in the rear of the spear. it could be used independently or in a phalanx with riot shields.
and when the prongs where penetrated clothing and into the outer layer of skin it competes the circuit and immobilizes the rioters instead of just shocking them like a stun gun.
I'm sure some people will split hairs and make weird distinctions between different kinds of spears but in essence, yes a spear for throwing is a javelin. Not always 100% accurate but people will know what you are talking about.
Is there site ou recommend for me for buying a spear? I want to set up a survival pack and on the outside I want a spear for animal attacks to keep distance and fishing and throwing, what spear do you recommend???
Silver, who is quite fond of pole weapons, mentions spears not at all. Do you know if this is simply because by Silver's time perhaps the spear was well out of fashion, or was there some practical reason for ignoring it?
George Silver mentioned several types of spears in his manual, the partisan which was a spear with long head that you could cut with, typically with 'wings' to aid in parrying and hooking, and the 'Morris' pike, basically a very long 18 foot pike. Cheerish
For the sake of making the question did they ever make a treatise over using a lance on foot in case of emergency..... I know it's not very practical but asking for the sake of curiosity
Hmm Could that be an iklwa..although it's got too long of a shaft for an iklwa. The Iklwa was a short-shafted thrusting spear credited to being created by Shaka Zulu. As you stated in the video it was used in conjunction with a shield. I was luck enough to handle a couple of real one as my ex-girlfriend's mother was born and raised in Africa.
The Maasai spears have heads about that size and shape but on much stouter shafts. With that large head and bendy shaft, that first one looks to me like an original of the 7 foot long throwing spears used by the Samburu tribe in Kenya. Someone asked about Cold Steel spears earlier in these comments. Cold Steel makes a modern take-down version of the Samburu spear, and its similarity of design to that first spear is quite striking. The big size of the spear head would not be for its intimidation factor but to ensure a big wound channel and rapid internal bleed-out of any animal it was thrown at. (Much the same reason bowhunters use broadheads with wide razor edges rather than bodkin points.)
Clearly that first one is a throwing spear. Throw it at the elephant, then run for your life while your friends throw theirs too. Best not to miss. LoL
It could have been a zulu as waht ever you said well any way it looks in that style maybe thatthe look,that some one was,going for its possable that it could be make shift as well
I just found this picture. The spears seem to have sockets and very thin shafts. I believe it's from central Africa. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cavalier_arabe_du_D%C3%A9kakir%C3%A9_sur_un_cheval_capara%C3%A7onn%C3%A9.jpg
Hello this is a post without any Pacific point but I have a viking long spear I bought on one of the websites it's three foot long and I don't fear Bigfoot when I'm in the woods
scholagladiatoria thanks I didn't know I just saw video where someone called a spear like that one a spear the massai had by the way i like your videos
Sir contact me if you get this message i think i found a rare spear because this is not origin in our country im from phillipines. We found a spear in contruction site
I just sent coldsteel.com a message request to craft a polypropylene shaft spear in all the various forms.... maybe they will.... the modern evolution in spear indestructible technology... screw historical replicas... make modern materials spears...
"Big head, thin shaft, you have to look at the whole weapon..." I've been telling the ladies this for ages, but they never seem convinced.
I say the same thing about my car but women are still stingy
With a name like Shelley Mcneil, I find it hard to believe you leave anyone unconvinced
@@TaoistSwordsman Sure thing TONG. Is that your real name, or a reference to the implements the doctors used to pull you out of your mother? It looks like the procedure permanently disfigured your face.
@@manfallsoffchair lol it's a korean word. Where's your profile pic, since you know so much about attractiveness
@@manfallsoffchair good lord lmao, it was a joke, the guy was playing around, it’s not a dick, don’t take it so hard
"Don't judge a spear by its head- that is the proverb for the day"
...it is also the unintentional double entendre.
Big head, thin shaft. Story of my life.
+McMuffinV2 I request the highest of fives
McMuffinV2 greenie
still like that?
Small head small shaft is the story of my life.
youtube thinks I'd like to watch a Britney Spears video after this. :D
Lmfao wtf
I would call a throwing spear a Javelin, since everyone immediately knows I mean a spear for throwing.
I'm probably completely and utterly wrong though, since I think a javelin is a type of trowing spear....
I thought javelin's are anti-armor weapons, like bunkers and tanks and shit....
Plastikdoom: "Javelin" is also a term for a guided missile system used by the modern US military. So named for the throwing spear.
Diablo says you're correct.
everyone makes sweeping statements.
The first spear looks like the ones used by elephant hunters in the "Elephant spear hunting" video on youtube.
Oh god, and there i was thinking that the kukri vid was full of sexual innuendo.
The first spear was Bushman, more so the Bushman/mixed offshoot tribes, and it indeed was for hunting.
I once had a friend with a "big head and thin shaft"...
I repeat sir, you're a contemptible cur! How would you know? Lmao
scholagladiatoria Masai spear perhaps? The young Masai carry those since they are kinda an utility item. A big spear head is for cutting meat or anything else they need, and spear is used usualy as a hunting instrument. Although it can be used to protect yourself from animals if under attack.
Good call, I couldn't remember the specific name but knew the area and the people who used it. Primary weapon for hunting lions if I remember correctly.
***** Killing a lion is kinda a proof of your manliness in masai culture.. At least it used to be..
Johan Öhgren The awesome thing now, is that the Masai who were once lion hunters are now their guardians, protecting them against poachers.
Rogue Qall As I understand it the way the massai sees the lion can be very different. I watched a documentary about lions and massai some time ago. It was a lion on a massai tribes land, only one massai warrior wanted to let the lion live, the others wanted to kill it. Especially the elderman, in the end though that one massai warrior manage to turn the other around and the lion wasn´t killed.
Johan Öhgren That's a great message. It says a lot for the Massai, for their sense of community to listen to the minority and reconsider many generations of tradition to better themselves. If only more societies were so reflective in exorcising such wisdom.
I’m holding a broom and talking at the same time...would anything I say be considered a sweeping statement?
"Big head, thin shaft."
Ugh, story of my life.
+Level 58 Death Knight
It's just more maneuverable and handy in close quarters!
Second one is clearly for paddling. It's not a spear 😅 They usually come with a canoe.
When did Javelins, or any kind of Throwing Weapon, run out of use here in Europe?
They never did, it's just that we started using gun powder to throw them.
Your videos are quite interesting. Could you please explain the difference between a spear and a lance? Is it that lances are used by cavalry and spears by infantry?
I just bougth a functional spear viking period, great viedo!!!! thx
I suppose the very long, light head on the first javelin/spear could have some use in stabilising it in flight. It wouldn't be the most effective way to do it, but it's better than to have very inconvenient fletches at the bottom end of the shaft...
What do you think of the nord seax and the way it could be used against other weapons?
Although it may seem counterintuitive, I think the longer and wider a spearhead is, the more likely it serves dual duty as a hunting weapon for dangerous game. Many of the extremely long and heavy Viking spearheads that people have speculated were for swinging were actually intended for use on bears. This would check out with the leaf-shaped Sudanese spear (many large critters in Africa). You don't need 18 inches x 6 inch wide penetration to kill a human, that's overkill and results in a slower attack. Compare this to the idea behind the extremely lively and thin Daneaxe, which (if you survived the battle) you could bend back into shape afterwards.
This is entire video doesn't even need context to still make sense.
spears its all in the shaft...
What's your opinion on the Zulu Iklwa?
The first one looks like a Maasai spear.. I inherited one from my grandfather who got it as a gift when he visited a Maasai village in the 50s .. looks exactly like it. But then again many of the spears from different areas in africa probably look alike.
I'm on mobile so I don't know how to tag people so I just hope you'll wind up seeing this, what would be your opinion on a short spear about a 5" blade? What would you think the use would be?
Once a wise man said "There are spears and there are spears."
Cool video
Do you have any examples of glaves? I do dagorhir sports and we use glaves, but they're not the same as you have probably. I'd like to see a proper one if you've got the chance.
Is there any sigificant difference in function with winged spears? (Hope I'm getting the terminology right) In other words, did winged spears serve a different purpose than non-winged ones?
@scholagladiatoria you describe the shaft of the Sudanese spear as being the thickness that you would expect from a spear shaft, how thick is that? i ask because i'm actually making myself a spear.
Other than the Pilum, I can't think of any spear like weapons that use a head shaped more like a spike. I wonder why the blade design is used so much. I feel like a rondel shape or icepick shape on a spear head would work just as well.
Why poke a hole in someone, when you can poke a cut into someone?
Now, this is strange. Ten comments so far and the one comment I want to reply to mysteriously lacks the "reply" button, which is present on all other commens. Oh well. This one's for you, TheBaconWizard: "höggspjot" does not mean "beheading spear" but "chopping spear", probably best known as an "atgeir". English sources usually translate it with "halberd", but from its descriptions in the sagas it seems more like an asegai.
There is an interesting thesis published a few years back at the university of Iceland about atgeir and kejsa. Kejsa being with lugs and good for seabattle and atgeir probably with diamond tip i:e square with strong back and mail piercing tip. James McMullen wrote the thesis and it has been published in Journal of medieval history volym 12 or pdf skenman. is/get/1946/17680/41144/3/_McMullen__-Thesis-__May_-_2014 Google the latter. Hugg-/Högg- is the same as Hew in English "Höggspjut" " Hewing spear " Scandinavian words are not that different from old English words.
That Sudanese head reminds me a bit of a 16th?? Century German boar spear I always liked the look-of.
There is a Viking weapon of unknown detail except it was a polearm of some kind called a höggspjót or "beheading spear" and I wondered if it may have had a similar profile.
I had an idea for a cross between a tazer and a spear to be used by riot police. the head would be a blunted end cap with two 1" to .5" electrified prongs, the wires would run down the shaft and connect to a battery pack in the rear of the spear. it could be used independently or in a phalanx with riot shields.
and when the prongs where penetrated clothing and into the outer layer of skin it competes the circuit and immobilizes the rioters instead of just shocking them like a stun gun.
spears use to fuck up swordsman without a shield
When is a spear a javelin? Do all throwing spears fall under the javelin umbrella? Is the spear with the thin shaft, meant for throwing, a javelin?
I'm sure some people will split hairs and make weird distinctions between different kinds of spears but in essence, yes a spear for throwing is a javelin. Not always 100% accurate but people will know what you are talking about.
I started wondering. Most of Kitchener's soldiers at Omdurman were Egyptian and Sudanese. Were they allowed to take souvenirs from the Mahdists?
Very well
Is there site ou recommend for me for buying a spear? I want to set up a survival pack and on the outside I want a spear for animal attacks to keep distance and fishing and throwing, what spear do you recommend???
+Bart Van Der Oordt Guess I could have more than one spear on my backpack XD
+Bart Van Der Oordt Thanks dude
I recommend a small 3 pronged fishing spear with a pistol or other modern firearm tied onto it.
Maybe a cold steel bushman,or a cold steel european spear or leaf spear
Silver, who is quite fond of pole weapons, mentions spears not at all. Do you know if this is simply because by Silver's time perhaps the spear was well out of fashion, or was there some practical reason for ignoring it?
George Silver mentioned several types of spears in his manual, the partisan which was a spear with long head that you could cut with, typically with 'wings' to aid in parrying and hooking, and the 'Morris' pike, basically a very long 18 foot pike. Cheerish
For the sake of making the question did they ever make a treatise over using a lance on foot in case of emergency..... I know it's not very practical but asking for the sake of curiosity
Hmm Could that be an iklwa..although it's got too long of a shaft for an iklwa. The Iklwa was a short-shafted thrusting spear credited to being created by Shaka Zulu. As you stated in the video it was used in conjunction with a shield. I was luck enough to handle a couple of real one as my ex-girlfriend's mother was born and raised in Africa.
I'm no expert but the first one looks like something you'd see used by the Maasai people of Africa to hunt lions.
The Maasai spears have heads about that size and shape but on much stouter shafts. With that large head and bendy shaft, that first one looks to me like an original of the 7 foot long throwing spears used by the Samburu tribe in Kenya.
Someone asked about Cold Steel spears earlier in these comments. Cold Steel makes a modern take-down version of the Samburu spear, and its similarity of design to that first spear is quite striking.
The big size of the spear head would not be for its intimidation factor but to ensure a big wound channel and rapid internal bleed-out of any animal it was thrown at. (Much the same reason bowhunters use broadheads with wide razor edges rather than bodkin points.)
Giggity all right.
Spear? That's obviously a shovel m8. Can't fool me
What do you think of the Modern Spears and Assegai that Cold Steel sells?
.....RVM45
They are functional, but look very modern, like most Cold Steel stuff.
Why the fuck not?
Hunting spear for Tyrannosaurus ...
did the unsiled buy the spears from here?
chickens are coming home to roost
Clearly that first one is a throwing spear. Throw it at the elephant, then run for your life while your friends throw theirs too. Best not to miss. LoL
the first one looks like an atlatl dart/spear. but the heads too big.
"intended for throwing at people... or, not necessarily people, ummm ahhh"
Nice try at covering up your intentions! :-P
It could have been a zulu as waht ever you said well any way it looks in that style maybe thatthe look,that some one was,going for its possable that it could be make shift as well
I just found this picture. The spears seem to have sockets and very thin shafts. I believe it's from central Africa.
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cavalier_arabe_du_D%C3%A9kakir%C3%A9_sur_un_cheval_capara%C3%A7onn%C3%A9.jpg
He's just talkin' bout shafts... can you dig it?
There are spears and there are spears and then there's Goldberg.
Witch castle thats beyond me
Hello this is a post without any Pacific point but I have a viking long spear I bought on one of the websites it's three foot long and I don't fear Bigfoot when I'm in the woods
"Somewhere in Africa" lol tf
I think that the first spear is of massai origin
It's not. I have a Massai spear and they are completely different in almost every way.
scholagladiatoria thanks I didn't know I just saw video where someone called a spear like that one a spear the massai had by the way i like your videos
Sir contact me if you get this message i think i found a rare spear because this is not origin in our country im from phillipines. We found a spear in contruction site
Is he taking the pi.. my wife keeps going on about my big head and thin shaft.
It could have been a over sied arrow in spear sty for the castles luancher
Pike?
sell them to me
I just sent coldsteel.com a message request to craft a polypropylene shaft spear in all the various forms.... maybe they will.... the modern evolution in spear indestructible technology... screw historical replicas... make modern materials spears...
Good information but so boring it is lost.