As a Chinese, I appreciate your criticisms. They are validly made. I am also very sad that Chinese don't respect history and don't try to preserve historic buildings but instead destroy everything old. We have a long way to go...I don't know if ever we can be ever as good as Japan, in economic and cultural development. I hope your criticism can be seen by more Chinese people. Don't mind those hatred comments by narrow-minded Chinese nationalists
reason why every thing that is old in china is being destroyed because the communist party don't want reminders of the past so they can stay in control
欧阳若理 I'm Japanese and Every country has problems and we have it too in Japan! China is china,u dnt need to be like japan! I hope our countries work together instead of arguing! Peace "
Im glad you understand were sad to see the loss of such impressive history, Isis is fucking scum for destroying relics , there literally trying to incite a holly war, some one should tell them were no longer a Nation under God. ..
My 7 years of expatriate experiences in Beijing told me that China, in spite of the 2nd largest economy, is actually a very poor and uncivilized country in general.
@@kaine382 civilize can be use to describe many aspect of a nation or culture. Just because one is technologically advanced doesn’t it a civilize one. For example, the Soviet sent people to space but they also sent people to gulag or execute dissidents. Those actions were clearly barbaric
+sam .t Agreed. The Chinese people must now form a DEEP connection with their past through their COMMUNIST roots. What is good for the souls of the people? It is to bask in the GLORY of the SUPREME leadership of the CCP and the many blessings it grants.
Eh, it's not like that. My father told me once why during communist regime everyone stole from factories. The overall idea of communism (and to a certain point socialism) is that workers own their workplace. They can decide in which direction it should go, what to procude, how, etc. In this way there're no factory owners (or CEOs in modern reality) who are both too incopetent and greedy to be able to manage properly their factory / company And tbh it's not difficult to see how this mixture of incompetency and greed makes capitalism less efficient The problem is that under Soviets factory workers didn't really own the factories. They belonged to the state and party members had all the control People didn't think that factories belonged to everyone - they thought they belonged to nobody. That's a very important difference
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Whether something belongs to everyone or no one is the same exact thing. It’s like saying the earth belongs to us all or nobody. Plato’s famous quote applies regardless. People will not take care of anything whether everybody owns everything or nobody owns anything. The outcome is exactly the same.
@@OmarDelawar That's not the case for either here, it's that one person owns everything. But they also don't give a shit about the state it's in because it's more important that they control it than anything else.
I get the sense that these guys are being objective in reporting what they see and are not China haters or detractors. They choose to live in China and have Chinese wives. Their observations are unique and important. Insights from this channel are hard to find in the West. Keep up the good work.
I am sure there are places in China where the concrete is mixed well. It's important not draw conclusions to the whole. When I visited Eastern Europe in the early 1980's a lot of places were crumbling from disrepair. I assume it's much better today. It Connecticut where I live there are a lot of houses with crumbling foundations because the stone mixed in the concrete cam from a quarry with the mineral-pyrrhotite-which causes the slow deterioration of concrete foundations when exposed to oxygen and water. At the time the homes were built, no one understood this. Now there are lots of homes with crumbling foundations that the owners can sell, insure, or mortgage. Mixing concrete is more complicated than most people realize. The Hoover Dam would have taken 125 years to cure, if the engineers just poured concrete straight. They had to lay pipes to vent the heat created by the curing. I had summer job once for the State Department of Public Works. The Civil Engineers would bring in core samples from all the projects in the state. I would have to apply different tests to make sure the concrete was ok before the project could proceed to the next step. Also tested all the stuff they mixed into concrete. I had to pour a sample of mixing aggregate into a series of ten sieves, and then determine how much of each type of aggregate there was.
Kung Laos SIGH...........same old same old, very depressing. God bless you man, may he find a crack in your soul and then open up your mind and give you a heart.
they've been doing this for years...one is British and the other is American...who wants to make them disappear...no one mate and of cause they're married to Chinese...don't be negative mate...they doing a great job so you and me can learn the true reality of China.
One time I heard a joke. There was a wreck.... a bicycle hit a car The bike didn't have any damage while the car in really bad shape. That when I found out, the bike made in Germany and the car made in china
Well in China it dosent matter, it`s more about the speed. Maybe the mindset which was ruined by the many years of communism before they got the possibility of private ownership, well since the state own all the land I’m not sure...
When we lived in commie Czechoslovakia we left the exterior look shabby for self defense. We painted, but it wasn’t made to look great, because it was easier to avoid getting people jealous and risk a break-in or vandalism.
@Igor Hašlík because almost all of these comments are made my American or British fascists pretending to be somebody else because they haven't got girlfriends.
@@ConCon75 oh please keep calling everything you disagree fascist, see where that gets you, theres only so many times you can cry wolf until people stop believing.
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 I call fascists fascists, you just cry about everything repeat already refuted lies and call everything communism or call people snowflakea
So these people went through the trouble and took the time out of their days to hold a meeting to see who would replace a light bulb that would cost less than $3 to replace, and left it for 7 years... I can't... I just can't...
What we would do here in the USA is go buy the bulb and put it in, then charge the HOA for your time and labor, or just deduct it off of your rent if you are a renter.
It simply doesn't annoy them enough. I had a similar thing. The lightbulb in the washing machine basement of my apartment building here broke. I personally wasn't annoyed enough in the few times I was washing to replace it. Some day it simply was replaced and yeah, it is cool.
I think in the west, we respect someone who takes responsibility. If you're the one who says, right, I'll just fix it myself and foot the $3 bill, people think you're a good person. In China if you step forward and say you'll do it, people sneer and think you're a fool/feel like they're above you because you're giving them something for free.
@@greenwoodorganics4681 Yeah, I don't think we have much to worry about if we ever go to war with China. Self-sacrifice doesn't seem to compute with these folks.
I can understand those people. I was raised in USSR. We had almost the same mentality. This is kind of collective mind. The idea of Communism is that everything is not yours it is everyone's. Idea is good but it worked completely opposite. I mean the part that everything i snot yours worked well. But part that it is yours as part of everyone had never worked. So if there is a public square? and it needs to be cleaned, government forced people to go there special day all of them and clean it up. Even your own apartment where you leave is not yours. It is government's but it is given to you to leave because you are part of everyone's idea. So in USSR there were no private anything. Everything you have is everyone's. This creates mentality that if you are not forced you do not care about anything. Because all factories and all land and all farm in a country is yours as a Communism party, but in fact you own nothing, so naturally you do not care, because hard of the man naturally is capitalistic.
That is not he case in China, they own their own businesses they own their own factories their own houses apartments land, government pays workers to clean the streets the parks people hire workers to clean their building just like a great nation should. You people with your antiquated and biased views of China are the problem go visit and see for yourself, I lived there almost a decade, traveled to many different cities and small towns. And was never asked to see my ID Passport other than when I was entering or leaving the country. There are no thought police going around & you rarely see any police stopping cars asking for ID or carrying guns.
Yes Sergey Romanov I agree. Communism has turned out to be, time and time again, an inhuman catastrophe. I wonder if it’s not a disease of capitalism. Capitalism creates enormous wealth, that wealth creates a lot of the idle rich; certain unhappy members of the idle rich with much time on their hands dream of a classless utopia. They succeed in one weakened country after another and end up, through the worst violence, creating totalitarian slave societies. A disaster for those countries and the people in them. Again and again. I think (and hope) Russia will rise again and it’s people will live in the rich and civilised country they have deserved for so long.
DavidInSydney1 I believe that western society came out of Christianity. Those principles got to foundation of so called western values. USA inherited it with migrants from Europe. Even more strongly because the oppression of Christians by Catholic church was the reason the left to US that time. Although it was not yet USA as we know. My point is that Communism is fighting faith. It is not acceptable if you believe in God to the point of in-prison person who resist publicly deny God's existence. So this kind of society left without guidance from above. Their values lowers to animal like. What can happen with society that believes that we are product of evolution where first low is that strongest survives? What is the purpose of our existence then? To survive as strongest? And the pity fact that though Russia is not a Communism any more. it continue fight with religion. I think you know new lows in Russia where you cannot tell anyone about Jesus. Or you will get fine for the first time and finally prison again.
I sold my 100 year old house a couple of years ago and had upgraded it with central air, as well as many other things. It was lovely and was full of charm. It's a shame when people don't maintain their property.
@@xenxander So then why do they pay ridiculous sums of money to "purchase" homes that they don't actually own? From what I've heard, it's the best way to invest their money and they're expecting to profit from the purchase. If they don't actually own the property, how can they return a profit?
The Chinese Mainlander mindset of undervaluing old stuff began (in 1966-76) during the Cultural Revolution. Mao preached against the "Four Olds": old superstition, old habits, old customs, old religion. Red Guards roamed all over the country destroying traditional architectures, churches, temples & antique artifacts. On the other hand, Chinese in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Oversea still value traditional Chinese culture. We also repair and maintain cultural antiques diligently. There are also many more well-kept temples and churches in Taiwan & Hong Kong, since many of us are still devout Buddhists, Taoists or Christians; whereas most Mainlanders are now Atheists, because Communism promotes Atheism. Even in our written language, Chinese in Hong Kong and Taiwan still use Traditional Chinese characters whereas Chinese on the Mainland now use (new) simplified Chinese characters.
In my town in Serbia only last year they renovated old beautiful building in the center of the city, but that is only one building, also i saw few old communist building that were renovated, it's amazing what some paint and nice roofs can do.
I lived in Suzhou during most of 2010, did an apartment search shortly after arriving there. I can confirm that most of the relatively new buildings I saw were crumbling due to poor quality cement.
Yes, when the cement to sand mixture is like less than 1 to 4, sometimes much worse, you get cement and brick mortar which crumbles. This I have seen in Africa, but somewhat understandable there when a bag of cement costs maybe 20 dollars or more due to transport and customs and often price fixing as well. But in central Africa where I lived, the people often do maintain their houses to some degree and often get friends to lend a hand in plastering, etc.
I'm Scottish and have lived in China for about 10 years, with my Chinese wife. I value your videos, thank you. This one in particular fascinated me, because this neglect, for want of a better word, drives me totally insane. I just can't get my head around it. It is apparent even within households, particularly those which house older people. Light fittings loose, bulbs needing replacing, wallpaper and tiles hanging off. I just don't get it and, as much as it pains me to say this, i can't put it down to anything but a lack of pride. Poor workmanship coupled with years of neglect and you've shown us perfectly what results. Such a shame. Thanks for your efforts; informative and very helpful, although one did raise my blood pressure, especially when i think of the heritage sites and ancient buildings of home. Have a safe and happy Christmas. (I know it's early.)
I feel your pain, friend. Seeing the heritage buildings left to rot - or intentionally dismantled - makes me sick to my stomach. My favourite bugbear is seeing what clearly used to be either a carved stone stele or lintel with carved characters used for mundane or irreverent purposes. Watching old films of the cultural revolution really is eye opening.
At world heritage sites in China, where other countries have an interest in them being preserved, the Chinese government goes to great lengths to protect them (Longmen Grottoes, for example). Other than those, nobody gives a shit. One day, educated young Chinese will mourn the loss of historical sites, traditional Chinese architecture, etc. Until then, China seems content to knock it all down, to make way for yet another block of god-awful, shitty apartment buildings, which are being built everywhere, at breakneck speed. It’s shameful.
Because everybody knows that nothing in China will ever last, so why should we spend any money for maintenance!! We have a history of over 3000 years, yet you can rarely see any houses that are over 100 years old. I've been in Canada for a period of time, guess what? 1 century houses in Canada are everywhere and they look better than 20 years buildings in China. Want to know the reason? It has nothing to do with Chinese culture or tradition. This can be easily told by simply compare China mainland with Taiwan or Singapore. The very reason is that our dear communist party is trying to blur the boundaries between private domain and public domain since the beginning, so that the government can always take advantage of people. Real estate for example, it suppose to be private property, but the government did a tricky thing so that one can only own any real estate for maximum 70 years. After that the government can basically take back the property "legally". As a result, buying a house in China is more like renting it from the government, so why would people bother about making it looks nicer. Moreover, our government did similar "tricks" everywhere. Basically, we have the strictest laws in the world, so that one has to break some to live an average life (And this is especially true for entrepreneurs). However, the trick is that government is the one who enforces the laws. In the end, they can legally put anyone in jail as they wish.
That's terrible for you all, the UK governments of the past have been so corrupt. But at least even they are not that bad. You seem to have good honourable people though, the businesses I have dealt with in China are fantastic, they are so helpful and reliable..
I'd say any people who have business outside China are decent and wise people, and willing to honor their words. Inside China, it is typical "Bad money drives out good". There are plenty of honorable people, but they are either brain washed, or are living a struggling life. It may sound that my opinion is very aggressive. I was not like this 10 years ago. At that time I was a typical young Chinese who would cheer when 911 happens, and who would support war against Taiwan, and thought living in western is like hell. Well, as time pass by I realized those ideas are horrible and stupid.
Watch out dude, Chinese special agents are hunting you arse down right now! LOL. Jokes aside I think what you said about ordinary people have to break the law to make a decent living is kinda biased/not true. The time limit on private properties is true although I don't think that's why people are not maintaining them...
I was there 15 years ago and this video is 2016. It is still the same way. Even the sophisticated modern buildings, the bathroom door and flush breaks off. It is SOOOOOOO bad.
Regarding your exchange about Japanese temples towards the end of this video. For the larger ones, the temples maintain forests of trees of the same wood so that when it is time to renovate or repair, they are ready.
This also goes back to the fact that theyve had so many fires - most of the temples in japan are reproductions with original style materials - i actually think theres like one original temple left in japan - most of them were burnt down and rebuilt.
It reminds me of how it is here in Eastern Europe with my apartment building. We keep trying to get repairs done for the courtyard and stairwell, but since it is collectively owned we have to vote on that stuff, and the old people who grew up in the Soviet times always vote against any repair work, it's infuriating.
I'm an old guy in California and I just want you guys to know how glad I am to have discovered your YT channels - First serpentZA then ADVChina and C-Milk. I really enjoy living vicariously thru your young eyes in a land I'll never visit. Keep 'em coming, guys!
Can confirm about Russia. General mindset is "what belongs to community belongs to nobody and especially not to me". It's not gone so far as in China, and slowly turning around, especially in big cities, but generally communal property isn't appreciated by people. At least for the last decade or so personal space starts to slowly crawl to apartment buildings staircases and corridors, but sadly not to the outside. Also, people in general doesn't give a damn about aesthetic of the streets. Even if local government will install something nice it will be brutally vandalized in days. I even saw streetlight pole bent around itself by somebody. Still can't imagine why someone want to destroy landscape so badly.
gontsaru - Can confirm. There’s a Russian guy at my place that does basically nothing for the building, unless cornered. He wouldn’t even take his trash barrel out. It’s a completely different mentality over there. I can see why Russia, Ukraine, etc. are basket cases. Being “clever” is more important than being “intelligent and responsible “.
Bryan Noga I think you are somewhat exaggerating with your "basket case" diagnosis. Especially in Russia things are changing for the better rather fast. In 10-15 years a generation will take over the politics and economy which has grown in post-Soviet Russia, and those are people with a different mentality. There will be a natural and steady process towards more democracy and liberalism as a result of that.
Romania, the same. People don't give a f. if there is not their own property. (former) Communism! :( Still in the behaviour of people, even 28 years have passed since the Revolution.
I'm Chinese. I get my people pretty well. cleaning shit up is not a strong suit of Chinese culture as a whole. As for the temples, after Mao ZeDong turned the "Republic of China" into the Peoples Republic of China, religion was to an extent purged through beating up religious people and social stigmas. So religion in China only becomes relevant when it is necessary, such as Chinese holidays. buildings in the countryside are shit because outside of urban centers, the geography and lack of wealth in the area doesn't promote good infrastructure. The same can be said for any country that has large swaths of land with nothing to do with. i live in America, and rural towns and the like are run down. If there is no cash flowing into the area, there is no incentive to make anything pretty. Same can be said for Russia, where all cash flow is centered around Moscow.( which is a beautiful city btw). However, outside of Moscow, its practically desolate. Finally, the issue with China once again lies with Mao and his distribution of land to the people. It spread people way too thin, and prevented proper urban centers form popping up in places that needed money. As such, when Deng XiaoPing introduced a capitalist economic system, Rural areas with little to no development stayed that way. "I've got my concrete hut over here on my land, why would I build a building for you guys?" edit: I realized something. Socialist nations that attempted cultural elimination are generally shit at maintaining old stuff. Look at japan. they never had a cultural purge like Mao or Stalin did, and those countries old stuff kind of went to shit. The difference in China is that China has yet to have a "Cultural appreciation revival" era.
Same scene in rural America my brother. Take a ride with me up I-25 between Santa Fe & Denver. I can show you abandoned power plants, majestically palatial abandoned breweries, and factories with gorgeous brickwork, and ornate architectural detail work, that are falling to pieces. The railroad is even still using mechanical signals from 95 years ago. Next we can go back east where things are 100-300 years older, and then finish up with a tour of some Indian reservations. Cleaning up shit, and keeping the animals penned up is not a high priority out there either, but they are nice hard working people.
44theshadow It still not really make any sense, In order to demonstrate prejudice and racism from other people against Chinese, you call yourself exactly what they call us. It's like a black people calls himself nword in the public
Don't judge me by my name. Yeah, I also heard that mass murder (especially stabbings, but shootings DO happen) are a major problem in China, but they cover up almost all of them and we only get to hear about a few that's happening there.
My wife is from Changchun, her apartment was in a community setting. Everything that was a public space was very dirty and unkempt. I asked her why no one would clean the three story stairwell, she said it was not their responsibility. I told her to get me a broom and I would clean it. She told me the neighbors wouldn't like that. I honestly don't understand their culture.
You got bad neighbours, so you met two miserable cases. If they were good, they would clean the stairs willingly and appraise your help if you cleaned for them.
"...I told her to get me a broom and I would clean it. She told me the neighbors wouldn't like that...." If you don't mind my asking, why would the neighbors not like it? Why would they care?
A culture of neglect can only exist as long as everyone is complicit. When a person rejects that culture and tries to fix something or clean, when others don't you are implying that those other people's actions are wrong and it then becomes a slight to their "face". It is an act that shows you disprove of their choices and culture.
A chinese tradesman I met on site in Australian told me ‘you Australians are clever’. When I asked why he said because you build your own homes, fix your cars etc. He said they can only do one thing, in his case it was plastering, and so had to pay for everything including ding maintenance.
I just watched this channel for the first time. I see a number of people in the comments saying these guys are attacking Chinese culture. I can only tell you that I did not get that impression. The hosts gave me the feeling that they are not saying these things to "trash" the Chine, but more from the perspective of their disappointment - and that they wished it could be better. Its similar to when your child does something inappropriate - you dont love them any less, but you may tell them that you are genuinely disappointed with their behavior. These guys have been in China for at least 10 years, and apparently have established families there. They are part of the culture, and believe they are just giving an honest account of some of the countries challenges. Like others have pointed out, this is totally different from a channel like China Uncensored whos goal is to say and do anything necessary to embarrass the Chinese government. I relish this unique look (pros and cons) at the real China.
because you are not chinese and you have prejudice/stereotype that all china made stuff as crappy thus you accepting everything he said as a truth without even trying to verifying it.You must try to skeptical and ask yourself, is it true EVERYTHING in China FALLING APART? or is it over generalization and exagerration.?
Your logic is flawed. Whether one is ethnically Chinese or not is irrelevant to one's ability to recognize poor infrastructure. China is not "falling apart" however, it does have a poorly regulated construction industry. This is due to fact that bribery and corruption are integrated into the bureaucracy.
I also don't think they have an attacking attitude and they cover some very interesting topics. Still, generalizing like that might leave a wrong impression. China is huge and as such shows enormous contrasts between different areas and sub-cultures. The mega-cities are very well maintained, by no means worse than big western cities (well, except for the air quality in Beijing, of course), but it's extremely different in rural areas, such as the one they showed here, almost like a time travel...
China never used to be like that. This is the result of an entire nation being stripped of pride and culture, having any responsibility replaced with a bleak, cold and ruthless regime devoted to communism. people mind their own, and only their own business because it was the safest thing to do for years, and rising death tolls deprived people of empathy. mass starvation, censorship, and executions change nations for years. the most heartwarming yet perhaps also the saddest thing is that despite being obviously worked like computers, the teenagers I met in china were incredibly bright, enthusiastic and welcoming, a hopeful bunch dwelling in front of a depressing backdrop. shanghai is still pretty cool though.
I've been in China a year now. You guys do a really good job showing people what China is really like. Keep up your good work! Looking forward to ADV Media
That lab was actually built for China by the naive French! It was supposed to be a “collaboration”, as usual. Collaboration with Chinese = Your work getting stolen. That’s all it is. The Chicoms kicked the French out of the lab once the French finished helping them build it and teaching them the complex systems behind running a lab.
Thousands upon thousands of Chinese are now moving to Australia. When they get here they either buying existing houses, or build new ones. Normally two storey. In either case they don't maintain the gardens or buildings. I don't know why this is the case, but they certainly aren't house proud. Weird.
I've lived in China for almost two months now, and my bride-to-be said something the other day that may shed some light on that. Basically, it was "don't look for extra work". In other words, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
William Allman that shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what maintenance is and why it is important. No society can advance if they completely neglect maintenance of their infrastructure and important assets.
lookoutforchris " No society can advance if they completely neglect maintenance of their infrastructure and important assets." Oh, you mean like the hundreds of bridges in the US that are falling apart?
I am an American Expat living in Xi'an for 4 years now, and I love it here. I don't know where you guys are, but Xian is replacing old buildings as fast as they can. You might be a little more considerate when making wildly general statements. The old building of 40 plus years were made in a different era. So please, stop the gross misrepresentations. There are problems with maintenance but it isn't "Everywhere you go in China nothing is maintained", That is just wrong.
gecsus I'm 1/2 Chinese-American, born in San Francisco. I am also married to a Chinese woman from Harbin. I don't think these guys are unfair in their assessment. I have traveled throughout china for over a decade. Now living in Brooklyn NY on the edge Chinatown 8th avenue. Let me tell you.., these guys are spot on target with their statements and understanding of the Chinese culture. Until education takes place inside china, this will forever be the case. It occurred here in Chinatown and even my own home. I am the one that maintains and organizes our home. Chinese culture may build wealth. But it does not buy class nor intelligence. Even the students that come here to attend Universities rarely make the mental and cultural adjustments. Only offspring born into a new society are able to somewhat adjust. It's a real shame as the Chinese are not a bothersome people but the stubborn ignorance is rock solid!!!
ddesign63 I guess my perspective is limited. I grew up near San Francisco, My Mother was born there. I am also married to a Chinese woman (locally born) and I have had a small school for children that I taught the benefits of respect, cooperation and combined efforts. I found them quite intelligent and very receptive. One of my students is now living in the U.S. and attending a Christian High School in Idaho. She is doing very well. I didn't say some of the things being said were not true. What I said was blanket statements tend to give impressions that are inaccurate. The Chinese people are not less intelligent, so on this we disagree. Some areas that remain uneducated are lacking growth due to a lack of mental stimulation, on that I will agree. In general, the people here in Xi'an are warm, generous and friendly. I have many Chinese friends and we enjoy each others company. I am working with groups of young adults at one of the Universities and they are very quick to absorb the differences in culture and apply them. I don't know that the Chinese course materials produce equivalent results, and I suspect they do not. Thanks for your input though. I appreciate it.
gecsus totally agree with you on intelligence. Perhaps I should have chosen my words better. That being said, what I find in my daily dealings with Chinese from china here in NYC, their is a huge lack of willingness for openness, self reflections, honesty, integrity and I could go on and on. That is with many but certainly NOT ALL. The beliefs and habits are so ridged in the community. But this dates back centuries as the Chinese refused trade with Europe and considered China the center of the world. Hence the name Zhongjuo. As china rebuilds its exterior image, it is also in need of rebuilding the openness of outside knowledge, consideration, possibilities, creativity and becoming a overall well rounded society. Not to say that America is better or not in the midst of its own decline. But china is many many years from mentally rebuilding as far as I can see.
ddesign63 Yes, Central Kingdom. They are private and reclusive because part of the culture is to use every avenue of making your life better. That may include using or taking of something someone else has and you do not. So they tend to be guarded. It is a double sided sword. They are very responsible for their own lives, yet they are so guarded as to become heartless and selfish in the extreme and do themselves and their culture a disservice as a result. If they ever start working together for a common cause... the world better watch out.
When I lived in Jinan, a pedestrian overpass was being built outside of my residence. It started to rust within three weeks of the start of construction - rusting a great deal upon completion.
I'm Lithuanian, and you know what, while we were part of Soviet Union - it was same here. When everybody owns everything, no one gives AF about anything. Now we are 30+ years independent again and things start to get good again, mentality fixes itself, slowly :)
Over 70years old? Cool? The Church at the end of my road was built in 746ad. Thats not un-ordinary in England. We still have ships that were built in 1860 tied up in the harbour.
The speed of the demographic change in the UK will see such cares for your history evaporate. That church will one day be a mosque or disused rubble. These things can only exist because a culture understood its value. That cultural continuity is being disrupted. A 100 years from now, China will still be Chinese. You'll be a run down euro backwater populated by inbred imbeciles. Yep, but tune into the BBC TV to continue to let you know how awesome you once were.
you should go to egypt the mortuary temple of queen Hatshepsut is thousands of years old and it still looks prestine and in ethiopia there are churches that are 800 years old that look better than any building in that village it's such a shame chinese architecture is beautiful
i have a feeling you mister DerAngriff is mad at the world because you're mom and dad are also your aunt and uncle and perhaps even cousins which would make you your own second cousin
Sadly I have noticed that British children are not taught to appreciate and value the history in places and buildings that surround them. The churches ARE being turned into apartments or mosques. It is upsetting to see and identify that no one is doing anything to turn this tide of ignorance. It is also blatantly declared by Remain voters who value nothing of their forefathers.
Yeah I remember toilets in my grandmothers house (yes, both my grandmothers) don't flush...they get a big bucket of water which you need to pour into it and refill it every time.. It had been like this since I remember things....Last time I visit China I finally fixed them....all it take is to exchange one small part. I can't believe they lived more than 10 years without fixing it...I ask them why they tell me （就和）which means "because we can live without it"
tengma8 same thing at my grandparents place but they had the squat toilet. to me the house look old and cool but staying there sucked. concrete walls were either super cold or super hot. I think they ended up getting the land and some $ from the government to build a modern house tho a long time ago
Keego Bricks no I am not. They probably just don't fell like a flush in toilet is unimportant. (which make sense since they lived most of their life without it)
It is a shame... and you are right about the maintenance ethic in Japan - and the thing about Japan - they never went through a cultural revolution and were not stripped of their sacred religious beliefs. So in Japan Shinto and Buddhism are conflicting religions - but in almost all Japanese homes they have a shrine for both. So there is a sacredness that permeates every aspect of life. So the temples scattered all around the place are deemed to be the place of gods (shinto) or places or worship (buddhism) so it is very rare to see badly maintained temples... and another thing to mention about Japan - cleanliness is seen as holy. So at the entrance of the temples are stone tubs for washing your hands and face. And this feeling of cleanliness washes out of the temple into daily life. And every moment of the day people clean up. You go to a restaurant you get a wet towel (oshibori) to wash your hands before eating. And the biggest reason for having great looking temples - many are run like a business. So every time you go to a shrine or temple you have a coin box in front of the altar. People throw small coins in the box for good luck or to get favor of the gods. So Meiji Jingu in Tokyo is the most popular place to visit. It gets so many small coins that it pulls in millions of yen each day. In the back rooms of the temple they have a stock trading room that trades with all the major investment banks. So maintaining the temple is good for business. So if you started a trend - to bring the gods back into the temples and have full time priest businessmen - you want good luck - come to the good luck temple - throw a small coin for good luck. You want a baby - go to the baby temple - throw a small coin for getting pregnant. That's basically what happens in Japan.
China allows private property and private ownership of businesses. I bought some e-cigs from a private shop in Beijing. Guess where they were made? LOL! One of the streets we were on it seemed like every other shop was a music store.
I was married to a mainland communist Chinese woman . She would take the cloths out of the washer before it drained to reuse the dirty water. Let me repeat , I was married.
I worked in China for a few months getting call canters together in 2011 and I wish I watched this first. I spent all my time painting and fixing things.
It comes down to society and traditions. Hate to say it and I'm sure many have heard it but etiquette training and traditional values would go a long ways.
And irregardless of whether something else is your own problem, even from a selfish standpoint I don't see why each place that is kept by anyone or belongs to anyone would still not be kept, especially businesses or places that wanna keep people in and benefit themselves in that way. I'm not encouraging a selfish mentality, I'm just saying I don't see why each place or person wouldn't wanna keep up on their own. They still gotta live or operate in it.
No, the Japanese are fanatical about it. Here in the US, you can find shit houses, people that don't take care of their things, and people that don't like to help others--not in Japan, because it's ingrained in their culture and their values.
Seen videos on LiveLeak of people in car accidents in China. People - even a kid in one - in pain in the road with literally _nobody_ helping them. Everyone just standing around waiting for, I guess in their view, the people responsible for them - the emergency services. In the West people with no training will at least comfort and console a stranger in pain before the ambulance arrives. But in China - there is a weird disconnect between people. Attitudes like that are absent of empathy.
@@SarsTheSecond It's much more rare to see in 1st world countries like the US, UK, and those in the EU, at least for the most part (some major cities like Detroit aren't much better). In China, its seems to be a regular occurrence.
Yes, it is apathy that the people simply grew up around. The US had definitely become more apathetic itself of people who look like they can use help but often they don’t get it because others are too uncaring or too afraid to get involved or meet the person. I think it is a value that was ingrained in them from childhood. And, what we don’t use, we lose. What we don’t practice, we forget. What we don’t do, we don’t ever become better at IT. All it requires is a desire to change for the better, but fear and a lack of vision keep their culture less developed. It is interesting because Chinese culture used to be highly developed and refined in many ways.
Zhenpeng Zhao How would you even know an ambulance will arrive if no one cares enough to call one? If you see someone in pain, you don't move them of course but you also have to make sure that help is on the way or that proper first aid is applied until then
What makes you think the rest of the people don't care? Making a phone call is just one move. Someone in the crowd definitely had made a phone call. And by your professional experiences, what kind of first aid should be given by the crowd who had no knowledge or equipment ?
I'm a Taiwanese, but my mother is from WuHan,I've been there at least ten times,and I can tell you that WuHan is a prosperous city for sure,but if you were in a place that is 5 km away from WuHan,you will be in a rural area where cows and goats walking on the street
I'm 2nd gen Chinese American and can't stand the neglect that my immigrant wife and in-laws from China treat my kitchen and bathrooms. I run around cleaning up after them because they just can't be bothered. Back in China, they don't maintain but just replace things when they become filthy or break down. It is often cheaper in China to replace things than take care of them.
Exactly the same in the Middle East, big budgets for projects but once built there is little or no maintenance. In fact the only people who "know" about things having to be maintained are the Parks Depts. They at least keep cutting the grass.
But why not clean or keep up on things while the building still exists? If I go to a restaurant one day and then return again a few days later, I'm gonna hope they've cleaned the restrooms at least once within that time frame.
In Britain we like to build quality without even being told to, there is no way I would sign my name on a finished product without knowing for sure it will last years and won’t kill anyone.
@Amy Callis The government brought great shame to Britain with the great housing crisis, those politicians are not British, they don’t work for the people when they are lining their own pockets and shipping in unskilled labourers from across the world, I have always sought to make quality when I work along with many other proud British men across the country, RIP to the people that died that day.
I read somewhere that in Japan the average home is torn down and rebuilt after 20 years because of the (presumably Asian) bias against maintaining things
That's the problem thier country has a long history of being dishonest and deceitful always lie to thier own folks and foreigners time has come to become independent from China all together period
I had once worked on a project in Barbados. It was an installation for the electrical system for a new TV studio. The building was put up by a Chinese company - using Chinese labor. I was trying to put expanding bolts into the ceiling, which would support the weight for the lighting system. Only the concrete was cheaply done! I'd be drilling into the slab, only to suddenly hit pockets of sand! Nothing that could ever be "Load Bearing." When I would ask, or try to complain, I'd get a confused look... followed by the Contractor walking away from me. Between what the Contractor wanted - and my employer wanting to get me back so I could do other jobs. It all held up when the Contractor signed off. But I bet that it has since fell from the sky!
Hey, ADV China Guys! This is the second of your videos I've watched. Thanks for the wonderful RARE look into today's China the CCP doesn't want people to see! Wonderful stuff, and yes, you two are pretty cool. In 1988 I was laying a deck down on a house in the middle of a mudflat that had been beautiful Northern Virginia hardwood forest just a few months before. They bulldozed about 150 acres and left not even a single tree standing. I looked around me and grossed out. I made a decision that day NOT to be a cog in this wheel of natural destruction any more. I remember very clearly deciding that I wasn't going to be a part of new construction going forward. I was ashamed I was making my living adding to the destruction and decided that day to quit that job and dedicate myself exclusively to keeping our existing housing stock in good repair and livable. Most carpenters don't want to touch rehab, because it is dirtier and harder. But I went the next 20 years doing just that, usually taking small 1940's and 50's houses, blowing out a wall or two and adding on massive additions and upgrades, thereby dragging the old house into the 21 Century. I became really good at it, and I'm proud that that is what I did.I also made permanent friends with several customers. My godson's and daughter's parents were customers whose 1880's farm house I did a big addition on. That's something a man can be proud of. In this video you guys have highlighted exactly what grossed me out- irresponsible growth! Thanks! And- Carry on! Have fun! (I'm going to go ahead and subscribe. You two are interesting.)
I'd wish more builders were like you. That industry seems to have a serious "slash and burn"-mentality. Tear down, build shit, get paid and leave immediately. It's such a pity.
Not even remotely close. We are talking about simple structures like houses. That is a megaproject with a lot of unknowns. Everyone is building that expecting it to last. Someone goofed on the engineering side and the inspection side. A bridge can't stand without stable foundation. Those workers took pride in that construction so this is devastating. Heads are going to roll, But in China I guess it's just business as usual.
While China might still have a communist party it is communist in name only. China allows property ownership as well as ownership of the means of production. China has become fascist. The US and other western nations also have elements of fascism, socialism, crony capitalism and a smidgen of free-market capitalism. It's not as simple as country A is capitalist and country B is communist.
durga durga there is no objection when it comes to anciant enginering the problem is the capitalism ideologis and strategies like planned obsolesens. that chinese people are adopting.
I once rented a room on the second floor at a Chinese owned house in Toronto. The ceiling was badly damaged due to rain drainage plus poor construction and the Chinese owner told me he would fix it when I went to look at the room. But he never even tried to fix it during my rented period. I think he was never actually thinking of fixing it but pretended so that I would move in that room. Also there were rats coming from downstairs through the holes under the kitchen and we the tenants freaked out and sealed them. Then the swarms of flies came from the downstairs backyard to the second floor often. The Chinese owner didn't even try to fix problems so we had to do everything on our own.
Reminds me of a story my dad once told me from his friend. Almost the same situation but the tenant not only fixed the problem but improved the walls and got rid of the visible mould around the place and fixed a few other things around the unit like tearing off the mouldy carpet and sanding off the wooden floor underneath etc. Chinese owner came to inspect one time and saw that they improved the apartment. The family was expecting compensation from it but instead the owner said he's increasing the rent cuz it looked better now and since they didn't have proper contract that's protected by realestate laws. They didn't win in the end.
Just don't pay the rent then, your fault if you let them walk all over you, there are legal actions you can take. I don't know the precise laws but typically you can send a letter warning your landlord to fix the property, if he doesn't comply you can stop paying rent and use the rent savings to repair for it yourself and deduct them.
I found this very interesting. I live in Texas. Awhile back, I rented a brand new home that was leased by a management company but was owned as an investment by a very nice Chinese couple. Shortly after I moved in, they fired the management company and decided to maintain everything themselves. After several years, things started to need repair but the couple never wanted to fix anything. In fact the only things they repaired were the things that might cause sever damage (like a leaking water pipe) , or the home owners association forced them to fix. When they did fix something they would replace items with lower cost lower quality items or do shoddy repairs. They would try to repair things themselves that they had no idea what they were doing with predictable results. The house is now 10 years old and I moved after a few years. I happened to drive by the house recently and was shocked at how run down the place looks from the outside ... dead shrubs, overgrown trees, etc. Clearly they bought it as an investment and have treated it as an asset to be used up and at some point discarded. This is a house, with proper maintenance, that should last at least 50 years, but I don't think that is in the cards.
My first trip to Phuket Thailand (I live in North Thailand now in a house I bought), I noticed perhaps HUNDREDS of buildings newly constructed abandoned in the midst of building. Jungle overtaking the entire lot. After seeing so many with no activity, I asked my girlfriend (later wife) WTF was all this in Phuket, a MAJOR tourist destination. She really wasn't someone who paid attention to these kinds of things, and was quite taken aback that I had a curiosity about it. After a little detective work, and a LOT of blank stares, here is my report (lol)! There was a period in the recent past where Thailand was called the Tiger of Asia, with a booming economy, not unlike the USA's around the same time. Then.....pffft....the money stopped flowing, the projects were abandoned. The way it worked was the builder/developer got so much cash upfront, they stopped spending on it the micro-second there was a hiccup. Well, that hic-cup turned into a meltdown, and to this day , there are these unfinished (sometimes 4 and 5 floors or more) massive buildings everywhere. And I mean EVERY FREAKING WHERE!. Also, I see the same signs of neglect where ever I look. The exterior of buildings really take a beating here in Thailand, so you would think there would be some maintenance fund somewhere. You would be thinking wrong. Another thing that just made my head swim was the great number of black co-ax wires strung on the light posts where the power lines are also attached. Sometimes, there were so many I could NOT count them all..even after taking a photo, and going home blowing it up and counting. Again, detective Jonathan hit the streets with a curiosity, and was met with....something a few notches below indifference. Not to be denied, I fingered it out. Everytime a new company that offered cable TV came along, or antenna and cable ...they strung up their wires. Some got the bright idea of changing company names, and doing it all over again. Getting paid BIG money to put the lines up, then....change their name again. Get a "new" license, and string up a bunch of lines. Hundreds of Thais got filthy rich....I mean WAY rich doing this. It was through corruption they got rich doing this. Some are still being "hunted". So fortunes were made, then, once the fortune was safely sitting in gold in some Singaporean bank, they would just abandon it, not spend a PENNY on upkeep. So you see just enough of these black wires to block the sun. I still shake my head. I was a lineman for a cable tv biz way back when, and each business had its reserved spot on the pole. And once you stopped service, your old lines were removed. A business had to put up deconstruction bond before stringing up wires. You never had more than 3 or 4 local cable businesses at any given time. Just shimmy up the pole to your line, do your repair work, and down you go, finito.So, just sometimes only 2 or 3 wires. I still am just amazed at the attitude. There are so many wires on some of these poles the very structural integrity is threatened. Now, it is antenna dishes EVERYWHERE! Ah, developing Asia. But, I think China takes the prize. Building entire cities...entire huge shopping malls, expansive roads to nowhere. Not a tenant in sight. Not a resident to be seen. No cars, no motorcycles on the broad avenues in these brand new cities. Sheesh...
And back then, Newsweek and Time were waxing eloquent about the miracle in Thailand, I remember. I think that they talked about a couple other SE Asian countries as well. Economic writers waxing eloquent seemingly without ever having lived in such countries! What arrogance and stupidity and lust for opportunity!
Courtesy is lost, my mother told me to be polite, if you are wearing sunglasses and want to talk with a stranger take them off, so much is communicated with the eyes.
Donald Schneider exactly. Finger crossed they will see your comments and learn how to treat the locals with a bit respect next time. Imagine they do that in their own countries...
Donald Schneider Have you ever been to China? Whatever you've learned, forget it. There are more of them than there are of just about any other culture. Your mother's teachings don't apply and you may have been mislead, given your minority status;) I should add that you are not going to be acting like a Chinese person, but rather as a foreigner in a foreign land. It's not what you think.
MrPedur I miss all the people channels! It seems that no matter what channel I watch anymore, there’s the same people commenting! And I watch a wide variety on here. It’s a touch unnerving. Can that be explained with algorithms also? I am sincere in my question.
This is the video that I first saw these two dudes in. I don't know why it ended up in my feed back in 2018. I have no regrets about following them ever since...
I’m an Indian and have lived and traveled all over my country. What you have pictured here could well have been a picture of our countryside and the narrow roads and lanes in the villages and suburbs. Same vegetation and landscapes. Ditto everything. I think this is the picture practically the scene world over except the “developed Europe and America”. I can say this about my country, it should be true of China too, but am not sure. When the British entered India they did so thinking they were a superior race and it was their duty to throw out every native institution and replace it with their own version of institutions that weren’t first class by their own standards but only second or third class that one reserves for servants. So there we are our governments, schools, colleges, courts and all are second or third class. We are also between two worlds, one the first rate first world where even public buses trains and all are shining clean, and the third world where none of these exist as an organised service but as an apology. So expecting too much “modern performance” from these cultures is wishful thinking.
We observed the same in Thailand. They build new flashing houses that look good, but which start to deteriorate very quickly and they don't care to maintain it. It seems there is a general desire in Asia for new stuff. They rather build something new than fixup something old. Although to be fair I think you see variations of this in different western countries as well. E.g. Belgium and the Netherlands have very similar history and types of buildings yet you notice almost immediately how much better preserved everything is in the Netherlands. Italy is pretty horrible. It is quite a rich country with a very rich cultural heritage, yet they are pretty bad at maintaining it. Compare e.g. to the Czech Republic which is poorer but which has kept the capital Prague in very good state, making it look like a real fairy tale city. I think that in the US, while people seem better at maintenance than say Thais, things also seem to fall apart in the US as well when it gets a bit old. You go to historic districts in say New York and it can look really run down.
Povel Vieregg it's like that in inner cities because the residents are too poor to afford maintainance. My grandmother lives in Cleveland social security check to the next and every door has beautiful handmade ornate wood engravings, and hardwood floors through the hpuse. But the plaster and paint keeps peeling off the walls because she cant afford to do anything about it.
To be fair, homes in the Netherlands are made from cement and brick, not your average concrete.Probably more expensive but those things can easily last decades on their own even if not maintained to the best of quality. Walls generally don't crack here for no reason. But then again we do have our fair share of skyscrapers and some do decay and aren't as well made as others so its not a complete fairytail either. On the other hand, buildings breaking down in 2-3 years are a new form of extreme.
I'm Dutch. So thank you :) However the difference between Belgium and Netherlands isn't as constrasty as, say, China and Japan. That's just night and day. Belgium and Netherlands would look pretty much identical to someone from these parts of China. Except maybe for the roads, those are pretty goddamn awful in Belgium.
that elevator situation reminds me of when none of my suite mates wanted to send a complaint for the broken light in our dorm bathroom and we showered in the dark for months. in my defense i always sent the complaints and just wanted to see how long they could hold out before they'd take the initiative
Junel Saladaga naive. Actually these guys has a lot misunderstanding about local community. What they called temple is for in memory of ancestors but for gods. People moved to city for a better life and seldom go back to countryside and barely have time to repair them.
@@raywang3294 Hi Ray, are you in PRC? I watch lots of Winston's videos but really cannot believe everything he says. This video looks like no one and no money to fix anything.
the problem is people are used to having the govt take away their possessions once they have something nice... the system takes away incentive to improve
Actually, when the government does take away something, e.g. a house that's part of a renovation project, they are compensated quite well for it. I live in China, and my bride-to-be had her house seized by the government, but they gave her the choice of monetary compensation or a new place to live. So it's actually more equitable than in the US, where "eminent domain" is often applied and the compensation, if any, is a fraction of true value.
In the cities also apartments, elevators , fountains are all falling apart. When you buy apartment first time it’s ok for 6 months then it’s not maintained by the apartment management.
vsubhuti Makes me appreciate my housing association in Poland. Of course everything in the apartment itself is our responsibility, all the corridors, elevators, garrages, etc. are not. If there's a major leak, for example, the response is very prompt. If it's small (as in, a single drop every minute or so), it might take a stack of papers and a few weeks, but they eventually will come in and fix it. Balcony drainage and tiles- in fact, my mom was happy to buy other tiles than the free ones, because the cost of buying the tiles themselves was still far cheaper than the labor and tiles.
The main problem with building maintenance is the fact that they don't really own the property. And because of the recent history of the government coming in at any time and literally taking it away (given compensation, but never the less, basically told to leave), they don't feel it's worth doing anything cause in the end, they may not get to keep it. I'm sure you know, because at least Winston has been in China before the 2008 Beijing Olympics, they took swaths of land and property from the local denizens. Same happened back in the 80s in Shenzhen and Guangzhou area in general (and basically everywhere in China where all these 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier cities have popped up).
I did a tour of China a few years ago. Loved the place but they kept us firmly on the tourist trail. We visited the Great Wall and my wife bought a jade bracelet from a shop. It was too big so they said they would alter it and asked for our hotel in Peking. The next day we arrived back from a tour and the shop assistant was sitting in the lobby with our purchase. She must have travelled 20 miles and waited for hours till we came back.
The strangest thing is, when they move to Canada and other countries, they take that mentality with them. They buy property here and still they don't maintain it properly.
I love taking these back roads, paths and alleyways discovering sites like you just did. Always an adventure. As for China falling apart... it is more culture and the Cultural Revolution. Chinese people do not cherish their past, nor are they interested in the future. Their main concern is about the present. As a westerner, we hand-down heirlooms from generation to generation to remember those in the past. As westerners, we value and are entertained by history through our museums. Ask a Chinese person about their history and they will b quick to remind you that China has 5000 years of history, but that is as far as they will go. With the Cultural Revolution where Chairman Mao destroyed much of the cultural items of China and the China/Japan war where much of China was destroyed, there just in no pride in keeping old things. They see things as only in the current time. The past is not meant to be remembered and cherished. I use this analogy when discussing the difference between western and Chinese education, but it holds try to many things in Chinese philosophies and culture. Chinese care most about the facts. They are very good at know the "who, what, where, when of things. This is due to having to pass tests throughout their lives. Even at work, it is all about the facts. But, they fail miserably at the WHY and HOW of things in life. They can solve math problems all day long with exceptional abilities, but, ask them to put that into practice, they give you a look as if you are crazy. In fact, China's foremost mathematician claims just that. He claimed that he can solve some of the most complex math problems with ease. But, if asked to put it into practice, he would be clueless. Westerners are taught critical thinking, to ask why and how. Chinese are not. To point, dentists. Chinese people seldom go to the dentist for annual check-ups and cleaning. They go when something is wrong (usually waiting too long). Preventative health maintenance is not part of their thinking. As the boys mentioned in the video, this concept carries forward into all things (homes, cars, roads). As westerners, we often condemn the Chinese for their thinking and how they do things. Perhaps, they think the same about how we westerners live our lives.
So sad to see a culture not only be decimated, but completely turn its back on its own history. Especially because ancient Chinese medicine was almost completely focused on preventative measures, as opposed to chemical bandaids (a characteristically Western way to heal sick people).
Funny they are suppose to just think about the "Futur" as going downhill like that they won't have a bright futur. Throwing almost-new stuff in the garbage instead of maintaining it for decades will make an non-reversible ecological disaster soon, if not already.
Yeah I feel scared riding in my elevator everyday because it shakes and my girlfriend and I got stuck in it just the other day. It’s awful. Nothing, literally nothing is maintained. My apartment building is MAYBE 15 or 20 years old and it is sketchy horrible. (But of course my apartment itself is made to look very very nice inside). My living room glass was shattered when I moved in and the owner tried to tell me it wouldn’t be fixed because the shatter pattern looked beautiful.... I’m like NO, that’s BS it looks like a shattered window. So they finally fixed it two months later. Same with many other things in my apartment. Like it was supposed to come fully furnished but I found out weeks later that the TV was just for display, not a real TV. Unreal. XD I could go on.
The landscape reminds me a lot of Peru, albeit their architecture and quality of home construction is much superior than China's and they do an excellent job maintaining it.
I noticed an Asian friend of mine had not removed the scratch protector plastic from a brand new laptop. Her parents spent so much money to get a fantastic display on the laptop and then left the cloudy plastic protector on it. I even tried to explain that they could remove that plastic and place a protector layer on the laptop display that would allow them to enjoy what they paid extra for. But alas, nope. The original cloudy plastic stays in place. Definitely a culture shift from our own. The interesting thing was how comfortable they were doing it their way and how little they considered a different approach. To be fair there could be things I do that would weird them out culturally speaking.
Sean Nanoman have you seen somebody walking barefoot while holding their shoes coz its too expensive to walk with them on?yes ive seen one when i was in surabaya indonesia.
and you listen to everyone else's advice? it is not so much a culture "shift" as people have different quirks due to their upbringing. Im sure you are set in ways that others find strange too.
I know that feeling too well. It's a sign of growing up and being poor. It stays with you as you get older. Personally, I wear shoes until they fall apart and no longer are repairable. It's being frugal and getting your moneys worth.
yeah, if/when they stop, the whole bubble will pop. All those people that work in construction will be out of work, and that will topple the reset of the dominos.
yeah, I'd like to see an interview with someone living in a house with maintenance problems in their personal space. and an interview with someone that owns a car and refuses to change the oil
weesh ful that was just his experience why do you have assume that they are talking about the whole population, it was just an example to show why thing are not well maintain.
In Portugal and India I was really struck by how really beautiful, old buildings were just left empty and exposed to the weather. In Lisbon it seemed likely that property was being kept in the expectation of a rise in property prices, but the windows were not sealed up, just broken glass and the roofs had often had too many winters and summers and had gaping holes or caved in. Some had even the floors collapsed. And these were really beautiful building, some were former palaces with a documented history, just being allowed to rot and collapse.
Producers of this video have a warped idea of what "a long time" is. Probably because they are young and have no memory of the Cultural Revolution and Mao's destruction of the his country. Why don't the Chinese care about their structures and allow them to fall apart? Well, according to this video it's because "they just don't care!" Got it? --- Well, not quite. The short answer is an economic one. "The people" don't care because they don't own any of the real property in a legally defensible way. Why should they care when their civic awareness teaches them that what they think they own actually belongs to them by government edict and can be taken away from them in minutes? It's a fucking socialist/marxist one party country, a Workers Paradise where nobody "owns" anything, including their personhood. Under the circumstances "Why care?".
Dimitri Ledkovsky it made me think about how surprised I was when I visited the us from Spain on Americans having charities and caring so much for others on a personal level. And it dawned on me, that's a what socialism generates, egoism.
china is far from being socialist\marxist, private property is a thing in china, china is pretty much a capitalist society with one party regime, 30 years maybe that was the case, and what happens is that people have the mentality of not caring much because of the past where their houses and cars here owned by the governemnt and that mentality carried on.
Eye-opening. I had no idea about this cultural problem. If China is aspiring to be a global leader then they had better change their attitude toward maintenance. Thanks for the great coverage.
thanks men, but first, it is in small village, we don't have fund to maintain it cuz young people going out to city, old people and kids only stays in their hometown, as in USA, in the dersert west america, i believe it is the same situation! You see, in the big cities, this would not happen!
thanks men, but first,（As a chinese, I will tell you this is not the temple related to religion,it is about the loved ones passed away, it's private and serious，the other people not allowed in it In general,so they are not be beaten by the local cuz they are lucky ,this behavior was not respect to the dead and chinese people believed they will be cursed and be revenged on） it is in small village, we don't have fund to maintain it cuz young people going out to city, old people and kids only stays in their hometown, as in USA, in the dersert west america, i believe it is the same situation! You see, in the big cities, this would not happen!
The house you went in that you call it a temple isn't some sort if buddhism or Taoism temple, it is clearly an family temple to memorize their ancestor.
In years past, I was an executive vice president for an Asia-based airline. The shocking lack of quality and craftsmanship can be tied to numerous factors. As an illustration, examine countries with the finest quality products in the world, Germany and Switzerland. You can sense the quality when you first arrive, and rarely are you ever disappointed. It all begins at an early age, and is in fact cultural. Both Germany and Switzerland have embraced what I term, "A Culture of Quality", and that cannot be duplicated elsewhere unless it begins at an early age, and is consistently reinforced throughout the society, regardless of cost.
This is one of the main reasons why I am choosing to be an English teacher in Korea instead of China. From what I have heard, China is very dirty. People don't take pride in maintaining and cleaning their things. The only example of a dirty area in Korea is the Incheon beach. For some reason, people throw their trash at the beach. It is kind of a mystery why to everyone in the country.
I'm sorry your aspiration in life is to be an ESOL teacher in south korea, you will have many challenges That being said I have met 2 ESOL teachers in korea who love it. But China is dirty af. Japan on the otherhand is super squeaky clean. Korea is half way between China and Japan, and the building standards and maintenance are about the same.
Korea is far from being a perfect country. I was an exchange student in Yonsei last year. I did sense an anti-foreigner feeling from about half of the people. However, they clean their stuff, the pollution is not bad in the suburban cities, and they have sit down toilets. I know those very superficial reasons to like a country, but those daily things are just important to me.
So you've heard? Do you know how big China is? you think everybody around all of China is the same? It's a dev eloping country, some parts will develop faster than others. I can't imagin you being from the States, Canada, UK or Australia. Probably some trashy European country.
An understand of the chemistry involved in concrete and the building sciences is also a contributing factor in even in the USA, but our International Building Standards for residential construction of single family and low rise buildings establishes a minimum standard. China, an emerging country with huge poverty that has one foot in the 21st century and one in the 18th has a huge hill to climb. And as you have mentioned, maintenance is essential no matter how well constructed. Concrete is cement and very important 3 other components. I can not stress how important CLEAN; gravel, sand, and water are. Add to that, the effects of freeze/thaw cycles, the skill of the concrete finishers, the control of evaporation, and the poor quality of Chinese rebar are all part of why they are falling apart. Being a poor country whose majority population just 40 years ago didn't have running water, potable water, and availability to electricity, it doesn't surprise me that their is a learning cycle and a cultural mind set to over come. Small farmers in the US for centuries used spit and bailing wire to hold things together. there places are often Gerrymandered to the point of WTF. It's human nature partly. Air entrainment compounds are essential to protecting concrete from freeze damage. And of course the coverage/bond between the concrete and the rebar for structural strength that vibrators nick-named dildos are used for. They are vibrating snakes from 4 to 12 feet long and 3/4" in diameter used to insure bonds and voids in the pour. I also found that small mid-rise projects in South East Asia if the roads are poor, a given, the building is mixed by small 1/2 yard concrete mixers on site and placed by a group of men carrying 5 gallon buckets in ladders. All of these factors would give anyone a less than optimal outcome. My neighboring state of Penn. just 5 years ago finally signed on to the International building standards for residential construction. Meaning that outside major cities, their were few codes that limited the fly by the seat of your pants shit I don't often see as a given practice here in Maryland. You don't see many structures built out of wood much older than a 120 years here. And that ones that did survive are termite infested and crooked as hell. I designed & built my Filipina wife's home in Mindanao for her family. The better supply houses offered rebar from Japan rather than the poor quality than China sold. Yet finding clean gravel, good quality sand and water in the country was a huge challenge. And as far as an understanding of sewer flows, the fall of waste products, ie shit, the safety of electrical systems and the need for electrical grounds . . . all threw me for a loop. Even something as simple as a roof boot for plumbing vents or cleaner for PVC before you glue were no were to be had.
This is the same issue with what’s happening in Sydney. Large sky rise apartment buildings are being constructed by contracted Chinese companies for cheap. Because Australia’s regulations aren’t as tight as they should be, a lot of corners are cut and now some sky rises are starting to form large cracks in the concrete supports. There’s a sky rise in Olympic park recently built that is now deemed unsafe and people who paid hundreds of thousand and even millions can’t live in or rent their property.
it's chinese culture, we love to bargain and saving,we don't spent on the thing that we don't need or can't afford,it's embedded in our mind since ancient time.How often do you see poor chinese in western world?
I took an economics course where the professor claimed that any time you see homes that are not maintained it is due to a lack of property rights. The explanation being that unless people truly own their property they wont bother investing resources in maintaining it because it would not benefit themselves in the long run. This probably applies throughout China, because of the fact you mentiond in a previous video that you are really only leasing the property from the government for a maximum of 70 years. Another economics term would probably apply to the communal areas, like the elevator or the environment or the temples , which is the more well-known "tragedy of the commons". I appreciate that you guys dont conjecture too much though and mainly just say it as you see it.
As a Chinese, I appreciate your criticisms. They are validly made. I am also very sad that Chinese don't respect history and don't try to preserve historic buildings but instead destroy everything old. We have a long way to go...I don't know if ever we can be ever as good as Japan, in economic and cultural development. I hope your criticism can be seen by more Chinese people. Don't mind those hatred comments by narrow-minded Chinese nationalists
reason why every thing that is old in china is being destroyed because the communist party don't want reminders of the past so they can stay in control
if only more people could be this open minded, this kind of stuff wouldn't get to be an issue in the first place.
欧阳若理 I'm Japanese and Every country has problems and we have it too in Japan! China is china,u dnt need to be like japan! I hope our countries work together instead of arguing! Peace "
Im glad you understand were sad to see the loss of such impressive history, Isis is fucking scum for destroying relics , there literally trying to incite a holly war, some one should tell them were no longer a Nation under God. ..
Great to see Chinese and Japanese get along
My 7 years of expatriate experiences in Beijing told me that China, in spite of the 2nd largest economy, is actually a very poor and uncivilized country in general.
where are you from ? can you define "civilization" ?
Do you think an uncivilized country would be able to send Rovers to mars like they did?
@@kaine382 civilize can be use to describe many aspect of a nation or culture. Just because one is technologically advanced doesn’t it a civilize one. For example, the Soviet sent people to space but they also sent people to gulag or execute dissidents. Those actions were clearly barbaric
@@kaine382 The soviets sent the first lander on venus, launched the first satellite and almost won the space race. now look at what they are now
@@kaine382 Absolutely, it all depends on what you put your money into.
this is what happens when the souls of the people have been crushed. nobody gives AF
Very true China has a very dishonest deciet in thier country history feel bad for thier people's
This is what the "useful idiots " in our country want.
everything will change now, thank the lord, with black lives matter. Nirvana appearing on the horizon, once more,
+sam .t
Agreed. The Chinese people must now form a DEEP connection with their past through their COMMUNIST roots. What is good for the souls of the people? It is to bask in the GLORY of the SUPREME leadership of the CCP and the many blessings it grants.
@@fishofgold6553 yes, only by purifying their thoughts in accordance with the best political orthodoxy can they achieve happiness
"When everybody owns everything, nobody will take care of anything."
~ Plato
While a true statement in itself, in China it's simply false that everybody owns everything. Only the party owns everything and no one else.
@Pedro Watson nice second account Ahmed
Eh, it's not like that. My father told me once why during communist regime everyone stole from factories. The overall idea of communism (and to a certain point socialism) is that workers own their workplace. They can decide in which direction it should go, what to procude, how, etc. In this way there're no factory owners (or CEOs in modern reality) who are both too incopetent and greedy to be able to manage properly their factory / company
And tbh it's not difficult to see how this mixture of incompetency and greed makes capitalism less efficient
The problem is that under Soviets factory workers didn't really own the factories. They belonged to the state and party members had all the control
People didn't think that factories belonged to everyone - they thought they belonged to nobody. That's a very important difference
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Whether something belongs to everyone or no one is the same exact thing. It’s like saying the earth belongs to us all or nobody. Plato’s famous quote applies regardless. People will not take care of anything whether everybody owns everything or nobody owns anything. The outcome is exactly the same.
@@OmarDelawar That's not the case for either here, it's that one person owns everything. But they also don't give a shit about the state it's in because it's more important that they control it than anything else.
I get the sense that these guys are being objective in reporting what they see and are not China haters or detractors. They choose to live in China and have Chinese wives. Their observations are unique and important. Insights from this channel are hard to find in the West. Keep up the good work.
I am sure there are places in China where the concrete is mixed well. It's important not draw conclusions to the whole. When I visited Eastern Europe in the early 1980's a lot of places were crumbling from disrepair. I assume it's much better today.
It Connecticut where I live there are a lot of houses with crumbling foundations because the stone mixed in the concrete cam from a quarry with the mineral-pyrrhotite-which causes the slow deterioration of concrete foundations when exposed to oxygen and water. At the time the homes were built, no one understood this. Now there are lots of homes with crumbling foundations that the owners can sell, insure, or mortgage.
Mixing concrete is more complicated than most people realize. The Hoover Dam would have taken 125 years to cure, if the engineers just poured concrete straight. They had to lay pipes to vent the heat created by the curing.
I had summer job once for the State Department of Public Works. The Civil Engineers would bring in core samples from all the projects in the state. I would have to apply different tests to make sure the concrete was ok before the project could proceed to the next step. Also tested all the stuff they mixed into concrete. I had to pour a sample of mixing aggregate into a series of ten sieves, and then determine how much of each type of aggregate there was.
Lol sure
Kung Laos your grammar is crumbling worse than those buildings are.
@@kunglaos4679 wow, you are so brain washed it makes me want to puke
Kung Laos SIGH...........same old same old, very depressing. God bless you man, may he find a crack in your soul and then open up your mind and give you a heart.
Lol, I lived in an apartment in San Francisco that was owned by an old chinese woman - zero maintenance done since the 60's.
To be fair, San-Francisco is a shithole where nobody maintains stuff.
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New York City is worse.
San Fran sucks I have family there that is renting a shoebox for 2800 a month.
For Real eh?!
There's a house near mine that an old Chinese lady owns. She rents it out. She won't pay for a god damn thing to fix it.
My fear is that the Chinese government is going to make these guys disappear.
Chadwicked B what
they've been doing this for years...one is British and the other is American...who wants to make them disappear...no one mate and of cause they're married to Chinese...don't be negative mate...they doing a great job so you and me can learn the true reality of China.
@@benjamin7.544 he sounds South African
WUDNT LONG AHGO ; NAT GEO WUSNT EVEN ALLOWED TO FILM...THER
hope not, crossed my mind as well
I have had the misfortune of working with chinese contractors. Probably some of the worst standards in the world
One time I heard a joke.
There was a wreck.... a bicycle hit a car
The bike didn't have any damage while the car in really bad shape.
That when I found out, the bike made in Germany and the car made in china
I can belive that. I've spent several years living in China, and the building standards here are pretty sketchy.
Standards? What's that word?
Well in China it dosent matter, it`s more about the speed. Maybe the mindset which was ruined by the many years of communism before they got the possibility of private ownership, well since the state own all the land I’m not sure...
@@jmainard9290 German engineering amiwright
When we lived in commie Czechoslovakia we left the exterior look shabby for self defense. We painted, but it wasn’t made to look great, because it was easier to avoid getting people jealous and risk a break-in or vandalism.
So people are jealous bastards there as well? So that's really some commie mindset. Bulgarians are like that as well.
Ok that's true
@Igor Hašlík because almost all of these comments are made my American or British fascists pretending to be somebody else because they haven't got girlfriends.
@@ConCon75 oh please keep calling everything you disagree fascist, see where that gets you, theres only so many times you can cry wolf until people stop believing.
@@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 I call fascists fascists, you just cry about everything repeat already refuted lies and call everything communism or call people snowflakea
So these people went through the trouble and took the time out of their days to hold a meeting to see who would replace a light bulb that would cost less than $3 to replace, and left it for 7 years... I can't... I just can't...
What we would do here in the USA is go buy the bulb and put it in, then charge the HOA for your time and labor, or just deduct it off of your rent if you are a renter.
It simply doesn't annoy them enough. I had a similar thing. The lightbulb in the washing machine basement of my apartment building here broke. I personally wasn't annoyed enough in the few times I was washing to replace it. Some day it simply was replaced and yeah, it is cool.
I think in the west, we respect someone who takes responsibility. If you're the one who says, right, I'll just fix it myself and foot the $3 bill, people think you're a good person. In China if you step forward and say you'll do it, people sneer and think you're a fool/feel like they're above you because you're giving them something for free.
@@greenwoodorganics4681 Yeah, I don't think we have much to worry about if we ever go to war with China. Self-sacrifice doesn't seem to compute with these folks.
Sounds like Montreal.
I can understand those people. I was raised in USSR. We had almost the same mentality. This is kind of collective mind. The idea of Communism is that everything is not yours it is everyone's. Idea is good but it worked completely opposite. I mean the part that everything i snot yours worked well. But part that it is yours as part of everyone had never worked.
So if there is a public square? and it needs to be cleaned, government forced people to go there special day all of them and clean it up. Even your own apartment where you leave is not yours. It is government's but it is given to you to leave because you are part of everyone's idea.
So in USSR there were no private anything. Everything you have is everyone's.
This creates mentality that if you are not forced you do not care about anything. Because all factories and all land and all farm in a country is yours as a Communism party, but in fact you own nothing, so naturally you do not care, because hard of the man naturally is capitalistic.
That is not he case in China, they own their own businesses they own their own factories their own houses apartments land, government pays workers to clean the streets the parks people hire workers to clean their building just like a great nation should. You people with your antiquated and biased views of China are the problem go visit and see for yourself, I lived there almost a decade, traveled to many different cities and small towns.
And was never asked to see my ID Passport other than when I was entering or leaving the country. There are no thought police going around & you rarely see any police stopping cars asking for ID or carrying guns.
White Man Now yes they do own. But way of thinking is still old. It will take some time until they learn new living standards.
White Man
Yes Sergey Romanov I agree. Communism has turned out to be, time and time again, an inhuman catastrophe.
I wonder if it’s not a disease of capitalism. Capitalism creates enormous wealth, that wealth creates a lot of the idle rich; certain unhappy members of the idle rich with much time on their hands dream of a classless utopia. They succeed in one weakened country after another and end up, through the worst violence, creating totalitarian slave societies.
A disaster for those countries and the people in them. Again and again.
I think (and hope) Russia will rise again and it’s people will live in the rich and civilised country they have deserved for so long.
DavidInSydney1 I believe that western society came out of Christianity. Those principles got to foundation of so called western values. USA inherited it with migrants from Europe. Even more strongly because the oppression of Christians by Catholic church was the reason the left to US that time. Although it was not yet USA as we know.
My point is that Communism is fighting faith. It is not acceptable if you believe in God to the point of in-prison person who resist publicly deny God's existence.
So this kind of society left without guidance from above. Their values lowers to animal like. What can happen with society that believes that we are product of evolution where first low is that strongest survives? What is the purpose of our existence then? To survive as strongest?
And the pity fact that though Russia is not a Communism any more. it continue fight with religion. I think you know new lows in Russia where you cannot tell anyone about Jesus. Or you will get fine for the first time and finally prison again.
I sold my 100 year old house a couple of years ago and had upgraded it with central air, as well as many other things. It was lovely and was full of charm. It's a shame when people don't maintain their property.
Bet you made it comfortable, eh? Nothing like home.
It's not theirs, that's the problem. The government owns it.
@@xenxander So then why do they pay ridiculous sums of money to "purchase" homes that they don't actually own? From what I've heard, it's the best way to invest their money and they're expecting to profit from the purchase. If they don't actually own the property, how can they return a profit?
I hardly think any chn houses built after 49’ could stand more than 1/2 century
@@socialmoth4974 they will figured out them self or dissaper
The Chinese Mainlander mindset of undervaluing old stuff began (in 1966-76) during the Cultural Revolution. Mao preached against the "Four Olds": old superstition, old habits, old customs, old religion. Red Guards roamed all over the country destroying traditional architectures, churches, temples & antique artifacts.
On the other hand, Chinese in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Oversea still value traditional Chinese culture. We also repair and maintain cultural antiques diligently. There are also many more well-kept temples and churches in Taiwan & Hong Kong, since many of us are still devout Buddhists, Taoists or Christians; whereas most Mainlanders are now Atheists, because Communism promotes Atheism.
Even in our written language, Chinese in Hong Kong and Taiwan still use Traditional Chinese characters whereas Chinese on the Mainland now use (new) simplified Chinese characters.
Good for you. Mr. Chow... I love Taiwan. Love to go there.....
首先我很抱歉我懒得用英文回复你，我并不是不会英文。我只想说一句话，我们中国人民并不是因为共产党推行无神论所以中国人民不信神，香港人、台湾人、大陆人其实都不是信佛教，我们有共同的根源，我们信一个中国古代的道教，作为新世纪的年轻人，我认为道教是非常人性的，佛教并不是我们普遍的信仰，请纠正。
Figures it was Communism. Exactly that kind of mindset. No respect for anything.
In my town in Serbia only last year they renovated old beautiful building in the center of the city, but that is only one building, also i saw few old communist building that were renovated, it's amazing what some paint and nice roofs can do.
I lived in Suzhou during most of 2010, did an apartment search shortly after arriving there. I can confirm that most of the relatively new buildings I saw were crumbling due to poor quality cement.
Yes, when the cement to sand mixture is like less than 1 to 4, sometimes much worse, you get cement and brick mortar which crumbles. This I have seen in Africa, but somewhat understandable there when a bag of cement costs maybe 20 dollars or more due to transport and customs and often price fixing as well. But in central Africa where I lived, the people often do maintain their houses to some degree and often get friends to lend a hand in plastering, etc.
I'm Scottish and have lived in China for about 10 years, with my Chinese wife. I value your videos, thank you. This one in particular fascinated me, because this neglect, for want of a better word, drives me totally insane. I just can't get my head around it. It is apparent even within households, particularly those which house older people. Light fittings loose, bulbs needing replacing, wallpaper and tiles hanging off. I just don't get it and, as much as it pains me to say this, i can't put it down to anything but a lack of pride. Poor workmanship coupled with years of neglect and you've shown us perfectly what results. Such a shame. Thanks for your efforts; informative and very helpful, although one did raise my blood pressure, especially when i think of the heritage sites and ancient buildings of home. Have a safe and happy Christmas. (I know it's early.)
I feel your pain, friend. Seeing the heritage buildings left to rot - or intentionally dismantled - makes me sick to my stomach. My favourite bugbear is seeing what clearly used to be either a carved stone stele or lintel with carved characters used for mundane or irreverent purposes. Watching old films of the cultural revolution really is eye opening.
Is there any old films you can recommend? I like watching historical documentaries. @@MiaogisTeas
At world heritage sites in China, where other countries have an interest in them being preserved, the Chinese government goes to great lengths to protect them (Longmen Grottoes, for example). Other than those, nobody gives a shit. One day, educated young Chinese will mourn the loss of historical sites, traditional Chinese architecture, etc. Until then, China seems content to knock it all down, to make way for yet another block of god-awful, shitty apartment buildings, which are being built everywhere, at breakneck speed. It’s shameful.
"with my Chinese wife."
Burn the rice, pay the price.
There's plenty of pride... just for the wrong things
This people destroyed their own cultural heritage during the "cultural revolution"
what else can you expect?
Chinese Communist is a parasite!they will slowly eat your country.
Dude do you even know anything?
@@sys9208 hey guys found the commie
@@skeetrix5577 hahaha for real.
@@Demons972 gotta call it like I see it no apologies
Because everybody knows that nothing in China will ever last, so why should we spend any money for maintenance!! We have a history of over 3000 years, yet you can rarely see any houses that are over 100 years old. I've been in Canada for a period of time, guess what? 1 century houses in Canada are everywhere and they look better than 20 years buildings in China.
Want to know the reason? It has nothing to do with Chinese culture or tradition. This can be easily told by simply compare China mainland with Taiwan or Singapore.
The very reason is that our dear communist party is trying to blur the boundaries between private domain and public domain since the beginning, so that the government can always take advantage of people. Real estate for example, it suppose to be private property, but the government did a tricky thing so that one can only own any real estate for maximum 70 years. After that the government can basically take back the property "legally". As a result, buying a house in China is more like renting it from the government, so why would people bother about making it looks nicer.
Moreover, our government did similar "tricks" everywhere. Basically, we have the strictest laws in the world, so that one has to break some to live an average life (And this is especially true for entrepreneurs). However, the trick is that government is the one who enforces the laws. In the end, they can legally put anyone in jail as they wish.
+Hu Sun very good insight
That's terrible for you all, the UK governments of the past have been so corrupt. But at least even they are not that bad. You seem to have good honourable people though, the businesses I have dealt with in China are fantastic, they are so helpful and reliable..
I'd say any people who have business outside China are decent and wise people, and willing to honor their words.
Inside China, it is typical "Bad money drives out good".
There are plenty of honorable people, but they are either brain washed, or are living a struggling life.
It may sound that my opinion is very aggressive. I was not like this 10 years ago. At that time I was a typical young Chinese who would cheer when 911 happens, and who would support war against Taiwan, and thought living in western is like hell. Well, as time pass by I realized those ideas are horrible and stupid.
Watch out dude, Chinese special agents are hunting you arse down right now! LOL. Jokes aside I think what you said about ordinary people have to break the law to make a decent living is kinda biased/not true. The time limit on private properties is true although I don't think that's why people are not maintaining them...
but there are a billion people there, why not just get rid of the people causing the problems?
I was there 15 years ago and this video is 2016. It is still the same way. Even the sophisticated modern buildings, the bathroom door and flush breaks off. It is SOOOOOOO bad.
Regarding your exchange about Japanese temples towards the end of this video. For the larger ones, the temples maintain forests of trees of the same wood so that when it is time to renovate or repair, they are ready.
This also goes back to the fact that theyve had so many fires - most of the temples in japan are reproductions with original style materials - i actually think theres like one original temple left in japan - most of them were burnt down and rebuilt.
It reminds me of how it is here in Eastern Europe with my apartment building. We keep trying to get repairs done for the courtyard and stairwell, but since it is collectively owned we have to vote on that stuff, and the old people who grew up in the Soviet times always vote against any repair work, it's infuriating.
but why, is that engrained culture? what is logically derived from that
I'm an old guy in California and I just want you guys to know how glad I am to have discovered your YT channels - First serpentZA then ADVChina and C-Milk. I really enjoy living vicariously thru your young eyes in a land I'll never visit. Keep 'em coming, guys!
@Alex Mercer lol wow what a fucking idiot
This is the result of Communism. A similarly a thing in Russia and other post-Communist countries, although to a lesser extent.
Can confirm about Russia. General mindset is "what belongs to community belongs to nobody and especially not to me". It's not gone so far as in China, and slowly turning around, especially in big cities, but generally communal property isn't appreciated by people. At least for the last decade or so personal space starts to slowly crawl to apartment buildings staircases and corridors, but sadly not to the outside. Also, people in general doesn't give a damn about aesthetic of the streets. Even if local government will install something nice it will be brutally vandalized in days. I even saw streetlight pole bent around itself by somebody. Still can't imagine why someone want to destroy landscape so badly.
gontsaru - Can confirm. There’s a Russian guy at my place that does basically nothing for the building, unless cornered. He wouldn’t even take his trash barrel out. It’s a completely different mentality over there. I can see why Russia, Ukraine, etc. are basket cases. Being “clever” is more important than being “intelligent and responsible “.
Bryan Noga I think you are somewhat exaggerating with your "basket case" diagnosis. Especially in Russia things are changing for the better rather fast. In 10-15 years a generation will take over the politics and economy which has grown in post-Soviet Russia, and those are people with a different mentality. There will be a natural and steady process towards more democracy and liberalism as a result of that.
Romania, the same. People don't give a f. if there is not their own property.
(former) Communism! :(
Still in the behaviour of people, even 28 years have passed since the Revolution.
Same problem in Serbia, ex Yugoslavia. Not as bad as China but similar to othe eastern Europe countries.
I'm Chinese. I get my people pretty well. cleaning shit up is not a strong suit of Chinese culture as a whole.
As for the temples, after Mao ZeDong turned the "Republic of China" into the Peoples Republic of China, religion was to an extent purged through beating up religious people and social stigmas. So religion in China only becomes relevant when it is necessary, such as Chinese holidays.
buildings in the countryside are shit because outside of urban centers, the geography and lack of wealth in the area doesn't promote good infrastructure. The same can be said for any country that has large swaths of land with nothing to do with. i live in America, and rural towns and the like are run down. If there is no cash flowing into the area, there is no incentive to make anything pretty. Same can be said for Russia, where all cash flow is centered around Moscow.( which is a beautiful city btw). However, outside of Moscow, its practically desolate.
Finally, the issue with China once again lies with Mao and his distribution of land to the people. It spread people way too thin, and prevented proper urban centers form popping up in places that needed money. As such, when Deng XiaoPing introduced a capitalist economic system, Rural areas with little to no development stayed that way. "I've got my concrete hut over here on my land, why would I build a building for you guys?"
edit: I realized something. Socialist nations that attempted cultural elimination are generally shit at maintaining old stuff. Look at japan. they never had a cultural purge like Mao or Stalin did, and those countries old stuff kind of went to shit. The difference in China is that China has yet to have a "Cultural appreciation revival" era.
Same scene in rural America my brother. Take a ride with me up I-25 between Santa Fe & Denver. I can show you abandoned power plants, majestically palatial abandoned breweries, and factories with gorgeous brickwork, and ornate architectural detail work, that are falling to pieces. The railroad is even still using mechanical signals from 95 years ago. Next we can go back east where things are 100-300 years older, and then finish up with a tour of some Indian reservations. Cleaning up shit, and keeping the animals penned up is not a high priority out there either, but they are nice hard working people.
Seth B Take a ride through Detroit if you want to see the American urban apocalypse.
Normandy SR3 maybe he doesn't give a shit about about ethnicity and he forges his own path.
the best kind
44theshadow It still not really make any sense, In order to demonstrate prejudice and racism from other people against Chinese, you call yourself exactly what they call us. It's like a black people calls himself nword in the public
I wonder who was in charge of maintenance of China's bio technology laboratories.
in charge that would be the devil
you mean bio weapon labs
Hello CoronaVirus...
We got covid cause wuhan lab collapsed lol
Gremlins
thanks ... I'm never going to China ... thanks for the warning
Visit once, and never go back.
Spend you money else where.
Do you prefer anc or.juju
Why not? You should especially visit Wuhan. Heard they have great bat soup there.
@@yangerjamir0906 yes great soap and virus glad read bybel china non beleivers.i sent my son to.china my biggest.mistake
Never seen this side of China before. These videos are fascinating.
Hotshotter3000 becouse nobody wants u to see this
I lived in China for 14 years, and I never seen these before.
+rejncu Specially Chinese communist government.
Don't judge me by my name. Yeah, I also heard that mass murder (especially stabbings, but shootings DO happen) are a major problem in China, but they cover up almost all of them and we only get to hear about a few that's happening there.
Because these are rural/blighted areas. When you think of America, you think of Hollywood or Manhattan. You don't think of Detroit.
My wife is from Changchun, her apartment was in a community setting. Everything that was a public space was very dirty and unkempt. I asked her why no one would clean the three story stairwell, she said it was not their responsibility. I told her to get me a broom and I would clean it. She told me the neighbors wouldn't like that. I honestly don't understand their culture.
You got bad neighbours, so you met two miserable cases. If they were good, they would clean the stairs willingly and appraise your help if you cleaned for them.
"...I told her to get me a broom and I would clean it. She told me the neighbors wouldn't like that...."
If you don't mind my asking, why would the neighbors not like it? Why would they care?
A culture of neglect can only exist as long as everyone is complicit. When a person rejects that culture and tries to fix something or clean, when others don't you are implying that those other people's actions are wrong and it then becomes a slight to their "face". It is an act that shows you disprove of their choices and culture.
*****
Pretty much what PortlandPhil just said.
well u sould take that broom and clean that filt like a real american men/or any real men
A chinese tradesman I met on site in Australian told me ‘you Australians are clever’. When I asked why he said because you build your own homes, fix your cars etc.
He said they can only do one thing, in his case it was plastering, and so had to pay for everything including ding maintenance.
I've heard Chinese call Australians, meaning traditional British Australians stupid.
@@thebeautifulones5436 "traditional British" what the fuck are you talking about?
@@ConCon75 I think he means the mainstream Aus culture
I just watched this channel for the first time. I see a number of people in the comments saying these guys are attacking Chinese culture. I can only tell you that I did not get that impression. The hosts gave me the feeling that they are not saying these things to "trash" the Chine, but more from the perspective of their disappointment - and that they wished it could be better. Its similar to when your child does something inappropriate - you dont love them any less, but you may tell them that you are genuinely disappointed with their behavior. These guys have been in China for at least 10 years, and apparently have established families there. They are part of the culture, and believe they are just giving an honest account of some of the countries challenges. Like others have pointed out, this is totally different from a channel like China Uncensored whos goal is to say and do anything necessary to embarrass the Chinese government. I relish this unique look (pros and cons) at the real China.
because you are not chinese and you have prejudice/stereotype that all china made stuff as crappy thus you accepting everything he said as a truth without even trying to verifying it.You must try to skeptical and ask yourself, is it true EVERYTHING in China FALLING APART? or is it over generalization and exagerration.?
22 二球 well said.
Your logic is flawed. Whether one is ethnically Chinese or not is irrelevant to one's ability to recognize poor infrastructure. China is not "falling apart" however, it does have a poorly regulated construction industry. This is due to fact that bribery and corruption are integrated into the bureaucracy.
Totally agree, it helps everyone if there's an open and honest vlog in country, and it;s entertaining!
I also don't think they have an attacking attitude and they cover some very interesting topics. Still, generalizing like that might leave a wrong impression. China is huge and as such shows enormous contrasts between different areas and sub-cultures. The mega-cities are very well maintained, by no means worse than big western cities (well, except for the air quality in Beijing, of course), but it's extremely different in rural areas, such as the one they showed here, almost like a time travel...
China never used to be like that. This is the result of an entire nation being stripped of pride and culture, having any responsibility replaced with a bleak, cold and ruthless regime devoted to communism. people mind their own, and only their own business because it was the safest thing to do for years, and rising death tolls deprived people of empathy. mass starvation, censorship, and executions change nations for years. the most heartwarming yet perhaps also the saddest thing is that despite being obviously worked like computers, the teenagers I met in china were incredibly bright, enthusiastic and welcoming, a hopeful bunch dwelling in front of a depressing backdrop. shanghai is still pretty cool though.
"an entire nation being stripped of pride and culture" seems to be occurring world wide these days. Wonder the 'source' of all of this is.
Really? They just chip and greedy.
Wow, sounds like every post colonial country ever.
@@minutesagoedited9761 globalism
@@TheBakuganmaster99 Yeah, no. Most post colonial countries became greater, and eventually became free again.
I've been in China a year now. You guys do a really good job showing people what China is really like. Keep up your good work! Looking forward to ADV Media
Looks like the perfect way to build a class 4 virology lab.... eh?
Just simple carelessness may have brought the world's economy to halt...wow.
Indeed
@@fishofgold6553 only because we could not handle a .06 death rate
That lab was actually built for China by the naive French! It was supposed to be a “collaboration”, as usual. Collaboration with Chinese = Your work getting stolen. That’s all it is. The Chicoms kicked the French out of the lab once the French finished helping them build it and teaching them the complex systems behind running a lab.
@@TrumponSoaksUpRed ditto
Thousands upon thousands of Chinese are now moving to Australia. When they get here they either buying existing houses, or build new ones. Normally two storey. In either case they don't maintain the gardens or buildings. I don't know why this is the case, but they certainly aren't house proud. Weird.
I've lived in China for almost two months now, and my bride-to-be said something the other day that may shed some light on that. Basically, it was "don't look for extra work". In other words, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
William Allman that shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what maintenance is and why it is important. No society can advance if they completely neglect maintenance of their infrastructure and important assets.
gran torino? lol
lookoutforchris " No society can advance if they completely neglect maintenance of their infrastructure and important assets." Oh, you mean like the hundreds of bridges in the US that are falling apart?
i hope they are not as unhyginic as some of those other asians
I am an American Expat living in Xi'an for 4 years now, and I love it here. I don't know where you guys are, but Xian is replacing old buildings as fast as they can. You might be a little more considerate when making wildly general statements. The old building of 40 plus years were made in a different era. So please, stop the gross misrepresentations. There are problems with maintenance but it isn't "Everywhere you go in China nothing is maintained", That is just wrong.
gecsus I'm 1/2 Chinese-American, born in San Francisco. I am also married to a Chinese woman from Harbin. I don't think these guys are unfair in their assessment. I have traveled throughout china for over a decade. Now living in Brooklyn NY on the edge Chinatown 8th avenue. Let me tell you.., these guys are spot on target with their statements and understanding of the Chinese culture. Until education takes place inside china, this will forever be the case. It occurred here in Chinatown and even my own home. I am the one that maintains and organizes our home. Chinese culture may build wealth. But it does not buy class nor intelligence. Even the students that come here to attend Universities rarely make the mental and cultural adjustments. Only offspring born into a new society are able to somewhat adjust. It's a real shame as the Chinese are not a bothersome people but the stubborn ignorance is rock solid!!!
ddesign63 I guess my perspective is limited. I grew up near San Francisco, My Mother was born there. I am also married to a Chinese woman (locally born) and I have had a small school for children that I taught the benefits of respect, cooperation and combined efforts. I found them quite intelligent and very receptive. One of my students is now living in the U.S. and attending a Christian High School in Idaho. She is doing very well.
I didn't say some of the things being said were not true. What I said was blanket statements tend to give impressions that are inaccurate.
The Chinese people are not less intelligent, so on this we disagree. Some areas that remain uneducated are lacking growth due to a lack of mental stimulation, on that I will agree.
In general, the people here in Xi'an are warm, generous and friendly. I have many Chinese friends and we enjoy each others company.
I am working with groups of young adults at one of the Universities and they are very quick to absorb the differences in culture and apply them. I don't know that the Chinese course materials produce equivalent results, and I suspect they do not.
Thanks for your input though. I appreciate it.
gecsus totally agree with you on intelligence. Perhaps I should have chosen my words better. That being said, what I find in my daily dealings with Chinese from china here in NYC, their is a huge lack of willingness for openness, self reflections, honesty, integrity and I could go on and on. That is with many but certainly NOT ALL. The beliefs and habits are so ridged in the community. But this dates back centuries as the Chinese refused trade with Europe and considered China the center of the world. Hence the name Zhongjuo. As china rebuilds its exterior image, it is also in need of rebuilding the openness of outside knowledge, consideration, possibilities, creativity and becoming a overall well rounded society. Not to say that America is better or not in the midst of its own decline. But china is many many years from mentally rebuilding as far as I can see.
It's just clickbait title.
ddesign63 Yes, Central Kingdom. They are private and reclusive because part of the culture is to use every avenue of making your life better. That may include using or taking of something someone else has and you do not. So they tend to be guarded. It is a double sided sword. They are very responsible for their own lives, yet they are so guarded as to become heartless and selfish in the extreme and do themselves and their culture a disservice as a result.
If they ever start working together for a common cause... the world better watch out.
When I lived in Jinan, a pedestrian overpass was being built outside of my residence. It started to rust within three weeks of the start of construction - rusting a great deal upon completion.
I'm Lithuanian, and you know what, while we were part of Soviet Union - it was same here. When everybody owns everything, no one gives AF about anything. Now we are 30+ years independent again and things start to get good again, mentality fixes itself, slowly :)
Over 70years old? Cool? The Church at the end of my road was built in 746ad. Thats not un-ordinary in England. We still have ships that were built in 1860 tied up in the harbour.
The speed of the demographic change in the UK will see such cares for your history evaporate. That church will one day be a mosque or disused rubble. These things can only exist because a culture understood its value. That cultural continuity is being disrupted. A 100 years from now, China will still be Chinese. You'll be a run down euro backwater populated by inbred imbeciles. Yep, but tune into the BBC TV to continue to let you know how awesome you once were.
Wow just fucking wow
you should go to egypt the mortuary temple of queen Hatshepsut is thousands of years old and it still looks prestine and in ethiopia there are churches that are 800 years old that look better than any building in that village it's such a shame chinese architecture is beautiful
i have a feeling you mister DerAngriff is mad at the world because you're mom and dad are also your aunt and uncle and perhaps even cousins which would make you your own second cousin
Sadly I have noticed that British children are not taught to appreciate and value the history in places and buildings that surround them. The churches ARE being turned into apartments or mosques. It is upsetting to see and identify that no one is doing anything to turn this tide of ignorance. It is also blatantly declared by Remain voters who value nothing of their forefathers.
Yeah I remember toilets in my grandmothers house (yes, both my grandmothers) don't flush...they get a big bucket of water which you need to pour into it and refill it every time..
It had been like this since I remember things....Last time I visit China I finally fixed them....all it take is to exchange one small part.
I can't believe they lived more than 10 years without fixing it...I ask them why they tell me （就和）which means "because we can live without it"
tengma8 same thing at my grandparents place but they had the squat toilet. to me the house look old and cool but staying there sucked. concrete walls were either super cold or super hot. I think they ended up getting the land and some $ from the government to build a modern house tho a long time ago
So you're saying it's being cheap, or stingy?
Keego Bricks
no I am not. They probably just don't fell like a flush in toilet is unimportant. (which make sense since they lived most of their life without it)
tengma8 Maybe
It is a shame... and you are right about the maintenance ethic in Japan - and the thing about Japan - they never went through a cultural revolution and were not stripped of their sacred religious beliefs. So in Japan Shinto and Buddhism are conflicting religions - but in almost all Japanese homes they have a shrine for both. So there is a sacredness that permeates every aspect of life. So the temples scattered all around the place are deemed to be the place of gods (shinto) or places or worship (buddhism) so it is very rare to see badly maintained temples... and another thing to mention about Japan - cleanliness is seen as holy. So at the entrance of the temples are stone tubs for washing your hands and face. And this feeling of cleanliness washes out of the temple into daily life. And every moment of the day people clean up. You go to a restaurant you get a wet towel (oshibori) to wash your hands before eating.
And the biggest reason for having great looking temples - many are run like a business. So every time you go to a shrine or temple you have a coin box in front of the altar. People throw small coins in the box for good luck or to get favor of the gods. So Meiji Jingu in Tokyo is the most popular place to visit. It gets so many small coins that it pulls in millions of yen each day. In the back rooms of the temple they have a stock trading room that trades with all the major investment banks. So maintaining the temple is good for business.
So if you started a trend - to bring the gods back into the temples and have full time priest businessmen - you want good luck - come to the good luck temple - throw a small coin for good luck. You want a baby - go to the baby temple - throw a small coin for getting pregnant. That's basically what happens in Japan.
The 3 Gorges Dam was erected using the same 'Quality ' construction.
I’m surprised is has lasted this long with the floods 🤔🤭
@@k3th.b.w122 We will know if it was built badly by August 17th when the water deluge from 160 KM away reach the Three Gorges Dam with a vengence.
Where there is no private property there is no obligation of self-interest to care for anything. You failed to make the obvious remark.
China allows private property and private ownership of businesses. I bought some e-cigs from a private shop in Beijing. Guess where they were made? LOL! One of the streets we were on it seemed like every other shop was a music store.
Something that belongs to no one is cared for by nobody.
Yeah, like Earth.
That was a super well put together video. informative too
I was married to a mainland communist Chinese woman . She would take the cloths out of the washer before it drained to reuse the dirty water. Let me repeat , I was married.
@Patrick Kazan Shit comment mate. Low.
@Patrick Kazan probably because there's nasty people from your country to do it with . Fix the gross practices in your country first.
@Patrick Kazan We also have white men helping impoverished children worldwide. Coloured people don't give a damn.
That makes no sense. How small was this washing machine?
@Patrick Kazan A lefty white racist? P.o.s.
I worked in China for a few months getting call canters together in 2011 and I wish I watched this first. I spent all my time painting and fixing things.
You know what, this sounds a lot like India. I think this has to do with overpopulated societies. *If its not mine, its not my problem*
Japan is far more densely populated, yet...this is NOT how they are.
Tristan Wolff Excellent point
It comes down to society and traditions. Hate to say it and I'm sure many have heard it but etiquette training and traditional values would go a long ways.
+Tristan Wolff Exactly!
And irregardless of whether something else is your own problem, even from a selfish standpoint I don't see why each place that is kept by anyone or belongs to anyone would still not be kept, especially businesses or places that wanna keep people in and benefit themselves in that way. I'm not encouraging a selfish mentality, I'm just saying I don't see why each place or person wouldn't wanna keep up on their own. They still gotta live or operate in it.
The Japanese would be appalled, as they are the exact opposite. There, everyone takes pride in their property, and pitching in is actually expected.
justsomeguytoyou Same in like every other country.
No, the Japanese are fanatical about it. Here in the US, you can find shit houses, people that don't take care of their things, and people that don't like to help others--not in Japan, because it's ingrained in their culture and their values.
justsomeguytoyou Yea its called black neighborhoods.
justsomeguytoyou Yes there are many neglected parts of society, but you are telling me that there is no part of Japan that is a shit hole?
No, they don't have slums--they take too much pride in their country to allow that.
Seen videos on LiveLeak of people in car accidents in China. People - even a kid in one - in pain in the road with literally _nobody_ helping them. Everyone just standing around waiting for, I guess in their view, the people responsible for them - the emergency services. In the West people with no training will at least comfort and console a stranger in pain before the ambulance arrives. But in China - there is a weird disconnect between people. Attitudes like that are absent of empathy.
I have seen that in Westarn countries. Some guy is having a seisure and nobody helps. Just walking by.
@@SarsTheSecond It's much more rare to see in 1st world countries like the US, UK, and those in the EU, at least for the most part (some major cities like Detroit aren't much better). In China, its seems to be a regular occurrence.
Yes, it is apathy that the people simply grew up around. The US had definitely become more apathetic itself of people who look like they can use help but often they don’t get it because others are too uncaring or too afraid to get involved or meet the person. I think it is a value that was ingrained in them from childhood. And, what we don’t use, we lose. What we don’t practice, we forget. What we don’t do, we don’t ever become better at IT. All it requires is a desire to change for the better, but fear and a lack of vision keep their culture less developed. It is interesting because Chinese culture used to be highly developed and refined in many ways.
Zhenpeng Zhao How would you even know an ambulance will arrive if no one cares enough to call one? If you see someone in pain, you don't move them of course but you also have to make sure that help is on the way or that proper first aid is applied until then
What makes you think the rest of the people don't care? Making a phone call is just one move. Someone in the crowd definitely had made a phone call. And by your professional experiences, what kind of first aid should be given by the crowd who had no knowledge or equipment ?
I'm a Taiwanese, but my mother is from WuHan,I've been there at least ten times,and I can tell you that WuHan is a prosperous city for sure,but if you were in a place that is 5 km away from WuHan,you will be in a rural area where cows and goats walking on the street
So cows and goats are not fenced off? It is understandable that some cannot afford to have fences.
I'm 2nd gen Chinese American and can't stand the neglect that my immigrant wife and in-laws from China treat my kitchen and bathrooms. I run around cleaning up after them because they just can't be bothered. Back in China, they don't maintain but just replace things when they become filthy or break down. It is often cheaper in China to replace things than take care of them.
Yeah, we hate it!
Why don’t you get yourself a ABC or white woman instead? If you can’t stand your Chinese wife and her family.
@@GLOBALALLIANCE he is a loser who couldn't date or marry someone from America and retort to a mail-order bride
The Chinese are more concerned with building than maintaining, when building start looking old, they're just torn down and rebuilt.
lol
LOL, but running out of gas ≠ broken down, and I'm sure Chinese know that difference. Nice try XD
Exactly the same in the Middle East, big budgets for projects but once built there is little or no maintenance. In fact the only people who "know" about things having to be maintained are the Parks Depts. They at least keep cutting the grass.
But why not clean or keep up on things while the building still exists? If I go to a restaurant one day and then return again a few days later, I'm gonna hope they've cleaned the restrooms at least once within that time frame.
John Bok go to dubai and you will see unused supercars
I am from Hong Kong and yes I have the same feeling as you guys every time I go there, such a sham !!!
a sham, or a shame?
In Britain we like to build quality without even being told to, there is no way I would sign my name on a finished product without knowing for sure it will last years and won’t kill anyone.
@Amy Callis The government brought great shame to Britain with the great housing crisis, those politicians are not British, they don’t work for the people when they are lining their own pockets and shipping in unskilled labourers from across the world, I have always sought to make quality when I work along with many other proud British men across the country,
RIP to the people that died that day.
@@fluffyhead6377 Yes, the recent governments have destroyed our nation.
Can't believe how different China and Japan are in terms of mind set and the people.
Well you know. They hate each other and have little in common..... Also china has communism.
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Japan's homeowners have an anti-upkeep culture as well. It's a bit different though because the idea is to buy new or rebuild after one generation.
It's really stark.
I read somewhere that in Japan the average home is torn down and rebuilt after 20 years because of the (presumably Asian) bias against maintaining things
Next time take of your helmet when you ask something to a stranger, it will help them being more open and honoust.
Yes,as soon as I saw this part I was saying out loud 'take your f***ing helmets off and let the man know who he's talking to'
No problem.
Just tell them you are from government
Nope, wouldn't help. Chinese people know nothing. 99% of the time Chinese people's answers are 没有 and 不知道
That's the problem thier country has a long history of being dishonest and deceitful always lie to thier own folks and foreigners time has come to become independent from China all together period
@@zootsoot2006 wo pu Che tao
I had once worked on a project in Barbados. It was an installation for the electrical system for a new TV studio. The building was put up by a Chinese company - using Chinese labor.
I was trying to put expanding bolts into the ceiling, which would support the weight for the lighting system.
Only the concrete was cheaply done!
I'd be drilling into the slab, only to suddenly hit pockets of sand! Nothing that could ever be "Load Bearing."
When I would ask, or try to complain, I'd get a confused look... followed by the Contractor walking away from me. Between what the Contractor wanted - and my employer wanting to get me back so I could do other jobs. It all held up when the Contractor signed off.
But I bet that it has since fell from the sky!
Hey, ADV China Guys! This is the second of your videos I've watched. Thanks for the wonderful RARE look into today's China the CCP doesn't want people to see! Wonderful stuff, and yes, you two are pretty cool.
In 1988 I was laying a deck down on a house in the middle of a mudflat that had been beautiful Northern Virginia hardwood forest just a few months before. They bulldozed about 150 acres and left not even a single tree standing. I looked around me and grossed out. I made a decision that day NOT to be a cog in this wheel of natural destruction any more. I remember very clearly deciding that I wasn't going to be a part of new construction going forward. I was ashamed I was making my living adding to the destruction and decided that day to quit that job and dedicate myself exclusively to keeping our existing housing stock in good repair and livable. Most carpenters don't want to touch rehab, because it is dirtier and harder. But I went the next 20 years doing just that, usually taking small 1940's and 50's houses, blowing out a wall or two and adding on massive additions and upgrades, thereby dragging the old house into the 21 Century. I became really good at it, and I'm proud that that is what I did.I also made permanent friends with several customers. My godson's and daughter's parents were customers whose 1880's farm house I did a big addition on. That's something a man can be proud of.
In this video you guys have highlighted exactly what grossed me out- irresponsible growth! Thanks! And- Carry on! Have fun! (I'm going to go ahead and subscribe. You two are interesting.)
I'd wish more builders were like you. That industry seems to have a serious "slash and burn"-mentality. Tear down, build shit, get paid and leave immediately. It's such a pity.
Does china have any birds never seen one on your r8
Does china have any birds never seen one on your r8
Adding a humongous addition is still new construction. It's sick how big of a house people think they need.
China is communist...Japan is not...big difference for the people.
same in S and SE asia
As I read that, They use the Japanese money. The company who construct it is belong to Vietnam. Well, what do you want to say then?
Khoa Nguyen well sir you beat me to it. I was gonna say the same thing.
Not even remotely close. We are talking about simple structures like houses. That is a megaproject with a lot of unknowns. Everyone is building that expecting it to last. Someone goofed on the engineering side and the inspection side. A bridge can't stand without stable foundation. Those workers took pride in that construction so this is devastating. Heads are going to roll, But in China I guess it's just business as usual.
While China might still have a communist party it is communist in name only. China allows property ownership as well as ownership of the means of production. China has become fascist. The US and other western nations also have elements of fascism, socialism, crony capitalism and a smidgen of free-market capitalism. It's not as simple as country A is capitalist and country B is communist.
Why is everything in China falling apart? Well...
It was made in China.
badumtish!
NotTheWheel
But I don't see my iPhone 7 falling apart.....
durga durga there is no objection when it comes to anciant enginering the problem is the capitalism ideologis and strategies like planned obsolesens. that chinese people are adopting.
durga durga people should treasure there heritage.
are you funny now fucking clown ?
NotTheWheel every thing made in china falls apart especially the shit imported here from China which is mostly everything
I once rented a room on the second floor at a Chinese owned house in Toronto. The ceiling was badly damaged due to rain drainage plus poor construction and the Chinese owner told me he would fix it when I went to look at the room. But he never even tried to fix it during my rented period. I think he was never actually thinking of fixing it but pretended so that I would move in that room. Also there were rats coming from downstairs through the holes under the kitchen and we the tenants freaked out and sealed them. Then the swarms of flies came from the downstairs backyard to the second floor often. The Chinese owner didn't even try to fix problems so we had to do everything on our own.
Reminds me of a story my dad once told me from his friend.
Almost the same situation but the tenant not only fixed the problem but improved the walls and got rid of the visible mould around the place and fixed a few other things around the unit like tearing off the mouldy carpet and sanding off the wooden floor underneath etc.
Chinese owner came to inspect one time and saw that they improved the apartment. The family was expecting compensation from it but instead the owner said he's increasing the rent cuz it looked better now and since they didn't have proper contract that's protected by realestate laws. They didn't win in the end.
Just don't pay the rent then, your fault if you let them walk all over you, there are legal actions you can take. I don't know the precise laws but typically you can send a letter warning your landlord to fix the property, if he doesn't comply you can stop paying rent and use the rent savings to repair for it yourself and deduct them.
I found this very interesting. I live in Texas. Awhile back, I rented a brand new home that was leased by a management company but was owned as an investment by a very nice Chinese couple.
Shortly after I moved in, they fired the management company and decided to maintain everything themselves.
After several years, things started to need repair but the couple never wanted to fix anything. In fact the only things they repaired were the things that might cause sever damage (like a leaking water pipe) , or the home owners association forced them to fix.
When they did fix something they would replace items with lower cost lower quality items or do shoddy repairs.
They would try to repair things themselves that they had no idea what they were doing with predictable results.
The house is now 10 years old and I moved after a few years. I happened to drive by the house recently and was shocked at how run down the place looks from the outside ... dead shrubs, overgrown trees, etc.
Clearly they bought it as an investment and have treated it as an asset to be used up and at some point discarded.
This is a house, with proper maintenance, that should last at least 50 years, but I don't think that is in the cards.
Thank you for saving me money now I can safely say that I can take china off my bucket list of places to visit.
It was never high on mine so thanks anyway.
You don't have to cancel your trip to Disney World just because there are trailer parks in Orlando.
Nicholas Byram China makes trailer parks look like 5star accommodation!! What an absolute backwards shithole
Bingo
Michael A. Segarra no bat wing soup for you
My first trip to Phuket Thailand (I live in North Thailand now in a house I bought), I noticed perhaps HUNDREDS of buildings newly constructed abandoned in the midst of building. Jungle overtaking the entire lot. After seeing so many with no activity, I asked my girlfriend (later wife) WTF was all this in Phuket, a MAJOR tourist destination. She really wasn't someone who paid attention to these kinds of things, and was quite taken aback that I had a curiosity about it. After a little detective work, and a LOT of blank stares, here is my report (lol)! There was a period in the recent past where Thailand was called the Tiger of Asia, with a booming economy, not unlike the USA's around the same time. Then.....pffft....the money stopped flowing, the projects were abandoned. The way it worked was the builder/developer got so much cash upfront, they stopped spending on it the micro-second there was a hiccup. Well, that hic-cup turned into a meltdown, and to this day , there are these unfinished (sometimes 4 and 5 floors or more) massive buildings everywhere. And I mean EVERY FREAKING WHERE!. Also, I see the same signs of neglect where ever I look. The exterior of buildings really take a beating here in Thailand, so you would think there would be some maintenance fund somewhere. You would be thinking wrong. Another thing that just made my head swim was the great number of black co-ax wires strung on the light posts where the power lines are also attached. Sometimes, there were so many I could NOT count them all..even after taking a photo, and going home blowing it up and counting. Again, detective Jonathan hit the streets with a curiosity, and was met with....something a few notches below indifference. Not to be denied, I fingered it out. Everytime a new company that offered cable TV came along, or antenna and cable ...they strung up their wires. Some got the bright idea of changing company names, and doing it all over again. Getting paid BIG money to put the lines up, then....change their name again. Get a "new" license, and string up a bunch of lines. Hundreds of Thais got filthy rich....I mean WAY rich doing this. It was through corruption they got rich doing this. Some are still being "hunted". So fortunes were made, then, once the fortune was safely sitting in gold in some Singaporean bank, they would just abandon it, not spend a PENNY on upkeep. So you see just enough of these black wires to block the sun. I still shake my head. I was a lineman for a cable tv biz way back when, and each business had its reserved spot on the pole. And once you stopped service, your old lines were removed. A business had to put up deconstruction bond before stringing up wires. You never had more than 3 or 4 local cable businesses at any given time. Just shimmy up the pole to your line, do your repair work, and down you go, finito.So, just sometimes only 2 or 3 wires. I still am just amazed at the attitude. There are so many wires on some of these poles the very structural integrity is threatened. Now, it is antenna dishes EVERYWHERE! Ah, developing Asia. But, I think China takes the prize. Building entire cities...entire huge shopping malls, expansive roads to nowhere. Not a tenant in sight. Not a resident to be seen. No cars, no motorcycles on the broad avenues in these brand new cities. Sheesh...
jonathan hurley when I walk under these black wires, I always scare of falling on me any minutes.
And back then, Newsweek and Time were waxing eloquent about the miracle in Thailand, I remember. I think that they talked about a couple other SE Asian countries as well. Economic writers waxing eloquent seemingly without ever having lived in such countries! What arrogance and stupidity and lust for opportunity!
SO, true, spent 9 years in China...thats the mentality, not all, but mostly
Do you think it will change soon?
in these circumstances it will take several generations ..
What work did you do there?
such a idiot.speaking something not true make you happy
Love this vid even after all these years
when taking with people take off your helmet. people are more likely to talk when they see your eyes. that's just basic courtesy
haha. a white face is the same as a helmet. good luck with that.
Donald Schneider true. Wish they knew that word.
Courtesy is lost, my mother told me to be polite, if you are wearing sunglasses and want to talk with a stranger take them off, so much is communicated with the eyes.
Donald Schneider exactly. Finger crossed they will see your comments and learn how to treat the locals with a bit respect next time. Imagine they do that in their own countries...
Donald Schneider Have you ever been to China? Whatever you've learned, forget it. There are more of them than there are of just about any other culture. Your mother's teachings don't apply and you may have been mislead, given your minority status;)
I should add that you are not going to be acting like a Chinese person, but rather as a foreigner in a foreign land. It's not what you think.
Have mercy you guess truly understand the Chinese mind. Only some of my Chinese family would admit this. But this is true.
A second ago I was watching Bill Burr then this was suggested to me.... Someone does a good job with these algorithms.
Ernesto Palacios bill burr on tour with these guys would be cool :-)
I believe the search engine is Googlificated now and broken- more Google stuff and less relevant material --- I miss the old youtube :-(
MrPedur
I miss all the people channels!
It seems that no matter what channel I watch anymore, there’s the same people commenting! And I watch a wide variety on here.
It’s a touch unnerving.
Can that be explained with algorithms also? I am sincere in my question.
probably so- all we can do is wait for better days now - while hooked by big media --
This is the video that I first saw these two dudes in. I don't know why it ended up in my feed back in 2018. I have no regrets about following them ever since...
Thx for your video, it helps me understand my landlord here in Vancouver.
I’m an Indian and have lived and traveled all over my country. What you have pictured here could well have been a picture of our countryside and the narrow roads and lanes in the villages and suburbs. Same vegetation and landscapes. Ditto everything. I think this is the picture practically the scene world over except the “developed Europe and America”. I can say this about my country, it should be true of China too, but am not sure. When the British entered India they did so thinking they were a superior race and it was their duty to throw out every native institution and replace it with their own version of institutions that weren’t first class by their own standards but only second or third class that one reserves for servants. So there we are our governments, schools, colleges, courts and all are second or third class. We are also between two worlds, one the first rate first world where even public buses trains and all are shining clean, and the third world where none of these exist as an organised service but as an apology. So expecting too much “modern performance” from these cultures is wishful thinking.
We observed the same in Thailand. They build new flashing houses that look good, but which start to deteriorate very quickly and they don't care to maintain it. It seems there is a general desire in Asia for new stuff. They rather build something new than fixup something old.
Although to be fair I think you see variations of this in different western countries as well. E.g. Belgium and the Netherlands have very similar history and types of buildings yet you notice almost immediately how much better preserved everything is in the Netherlands. Italy is pretty horrible. It is quite a rich country with a very rich cultural heritage, yet they are pretty bad at maintaining it. Compare e.g. to the Czech Republic which is poorer but which has kept the capital Prague in very good state, making it look like a real fairy tale city.
I think that in the US, while people seem better at maintenance than say Thais, things also seem to fall apart in the US as well when it gets a bit old. You go to historic districts in say New York and it can look really run down.
As a Dutchman I concur. You see rundown villages in Belgium and northern France.
Povel Vieregg “Looking run down” is much different than being structurally unsound and unsafe to live in.
Povel Vieregg it's like that in inner cities because the residents are too poor to afford maintainance. My grandmother lives in Cleveland social security check to the next and every door has beautiful handmade ornate wood engravings, and hardwood floors through the hpuse. But the plaster and paint keeps peeling off the walls because she cant afford to do anything about it.
To be fair, homes in the Netherlands are made from cement and brick, not your average concrete.Probably more expensive but those things can easily last decades on their own even if not maintained to the best of quality. Walls generally don't crack here for no reason. But then again we do have our fair share of skyscrapers and some do decay and aren't as well made as others so its not a complete fairytail either. On the other hand, buildings breaking down in 2-3 years are a new form of extreme.
I'm Dutch. So thank you :)
However the difference between Belgium and Netherlands isn't as constrasty as, say, China and Japan. That's just night and day. Belgium and Netherlands would look pretty much identical to someone from these parts of China. Except maybe for the roads, those are pretty goddamn awful in Belgium.
that elevator situation reminds me of when none of my suite mates wanted to send a complaint for the broken light in our dorm bathroom and we showered in the dark for months. in my defense i always sent the complaints and just wanted to see how long they could hold out before they'd take the initiative
You guys must be getting the low social rating because of this videos.
No one expects chinese to love these videos. Obviously these good people just reveal to the world the true face of shit China is. I hate them.😡
Junel Saladaga naive. Actually these guys has a lot misunderstanding about local community. What they called temple is for in memory of ancestors but for gods. People moved to city for a better life and seldom go back to countryside and barely have time to repair them.
@@raywang3294 I find this is deflection. Do you really need to understand a culture to know what garbage construction is?
There nothing wrong for telling the truth..
@@raywang3294 Hi Ray, are you in PRC? I watch lots of Winston's videos but really cannot believe everything he says. This video looks like no one and no money to fix anything.
the problem is people are used to having the govt take away their possessions once they have something nice... the system takes away incentive to improve
Actually, when the government does take away something, e.g. a house that's part of a renovation project, they are compensated quite well for it. I live in China, and my bride-to-be had her house seized by the government, but they gave her the choice of monetary compensation or a new place to live. So it's actually more equitable than in the US, where "eminent domain" is often applied and the compensation, if any, is a fraction of true value.
I love this channel! It's like exploring China FPS style :)
16:48 N7 yeee!!! and Mass Effect is a Third Person Shooter ;)
China---One of the few countries where their food barks at you....
that's a pretty dark joke buddy, i hate how they eat innocent dogs for businesses
@@Frankie13074 It's not meant to be a "joke." Just a way of pointing out the hideous practices in China and other Asian countries.
@@jackfrost2146 i appreciate that, if it is a joke it is a good one anyways
So you're vegan right?
@@LauraLin_ So you eat dogs right? (after boiling them alive).
In the cities also apartments, elevators , fountains are all falling apart. When you buy apartment first time it’s ok for 6 months then it’s not maintained by the apartment management.
vsubhuti Makes me appreciate my housing association in Poland. Of course everything in the apartment itself is our responsibility, all the corridors, elevators, garrages, etc. are not.
If there's a major leak, for example, the response is very prompt. If it's small (as in, a single drop every minute or so), it might take a stack of papers and a few weeks, but they eventually will come in and fix it.
Balcony drainage and tiles- in fact, my mom was happy to buy other tiles than the free ones, because the cost of buying the tiles themselves was still far cheaper than the labor and tiles.
The main problem with building maintenance is the fact that they don't really own the property. And because of the recent history of the government coming in at any time and literally taking it away (given compensation, but never the less, basically told to leave), they don't feel it's worth doing anything cause in the end, they may not get to keep it. I'm sure you know, because at least Winston has been in China before the 2008 Beijing Olympics, they took swaths of land and property from the local denizens. Same happened back in the 80s in Shenzhen and Guangzhou area in general (and basically everywhere in China where all these 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier cities have popped up).
I did a tour of China a few years ago. Loved the place but they kept us firmly on the tourist trail. We visited the Great Wall and my wife bought a jade bracelet from a shop. It was too big so they said they would alter it and asked for our hotel in Peking. The next day we arrived back from a tour and the shop assistant was sitting in the lobby with our purchase. She must have travelled 20 miles and waited for hours till we came back.
Unrealistic publicity for the tourists to bring back good stories.
Christ!, all that effort?.
WARGAME MOVIES if it was a good quality jade bracelet you probably payed her salary for a month with that purchase.
It was very expensive.
The strangest thing is, when they move to Canada and other countries, they take that mentality with them. They buy property here and still they don't maintain it properly.
I love taking these back roads, paths and alleyways discovering sites like you just did. Always an adventure.
As for China falling apart... it is more culture and the Cultural Revolution. Chinese people do not cherish their past, nor are they interested in the future. Their main concern is about the present. As a westerner, we hand-down heirlooms from generation to generation to remember those in the past. As westerners, we value and are entertained by history through our museums. Ask a Chinese person about their history and they will b quick to remind you that China has 5000 years of history, but that is as far as they will go. With the Cultural Revolution where Chairman Mao destroyed much of the cultural items of China and the China/Japan war where much of China was destroyed, there just in no pride in keeping old things. They see things as only in the current time. The past is not meant to be remembered and cherished.
I use this analogy when discussing the difference between western and Chinese education, but it holds try to many things in Chinese philosophies and culture. Chinese care most about the facts. They are very good at know the "who, what, where, when of things. This is due to having to pass tests throughout their lives. Even at work, it is all about the facts. But, they fail miserably at the WHY and HOW of things in life. They can solve math problems all day long with exceptional abilities, but, ask them to put that into practice, they give you a look as if you are crazy. In fact, China's foremost mathematician claims just that. He claimed that he can solve some of the most complex math problems with ease. But, if asked to put it into practice, he would be clueless. Westerners are taught critical thinking, to ask why and how. Chinese are not.
To point, dentists. Chinese people seldom go to the dentist for annual check-ups and cleaning. They go when something is wrong (usually waiting too long). Preventative health maintenance is not part of their thinking. As the boys mentioned in the video, this concept carries forward into all things (homes, cars, roads).
As westerners, we often condemn the Chinese for their thinking and how they do things. Perhaps, they think the same about how we westerners live our lives.
So sad to see a culture not only be decimated, but completely turn its back on its own history. Especially because ancient Chinese medicine was almost completely focused on preventative measures, as opposed to chemical bandaids (a characteristically Western way to heal sick people).
Just in response to your last comment, difference is that the Wests approach and use of the Socratic method is objectively superior
Funny they are suppose to just think about the "Futur" as going downhill like that they won't have a bright futur. Throwing almost-new stuff in the garbage instead of maintaining it for decades will make an non-reversible ecological disaster soon, if not already.
1. *Made in china*
Yeah I feel scared riding in my elevator everyday because it shakes and my girlfriend and I got stuck in it just the other day. It’s awful. Nothing, literally nothing is maintained. My apartment building is MAYBE 15 or 20 years old and it is sketchy horrible. (But of course my apartment itself is made to look very very nice inside). My living room glass was shattered when I moved in and the owner tried to tell me it wouldn’t be fixed because the shatter pattern looked beautiful.... I’m like NO, that’s BS it looks like a shattered window. So they finally fixed it two months later. Same with many other things in my apartment. Like it was supposed to come fully furnished but I found out weeks later that the TV was just for display, not a real TV. Unreal. XD I could go on.
speaking something not true make you happy，right?
Without religious freedom there is no salt to preserve from rot and decay
@Alex Mercer Grow up
The landscape reminds me a lot of Peru, albeit their architecture and quality of home construction is much superior than China's and they do an excellent job maintaining it.
I noticed an Asian friend of mine had not removed the scratch protector plastic from a brand new laptop. Her parents spent so much money to get a fantastic display on the laptop and then left the cloudy plastic protector on it. I even tried to explain that they could remove that plastic and place a protector layer on the laptop display that would allow them to enjoy what they paid extra for. But alas, nope. The original cloudy plastic stays in place. Definitely a culture shift from our own. The interesting thing was how comfortable they were doing it their way and how little they considered a different approach. To be fair there could be things I do that would weird them out culturally speaking.
Sean Nanoman have you seen somebody walking barefoot while holding their shoes coz its too expensive to walk with them on?yes ive seen one when i was in surabaya indonesia.
and you listen to everyone else's advice? it is not so much a culture "shift" as people have different quirks due to their upbringing. Im sure you are set in ways that others find strange too.
I know that feeling too well. It's a sign of growing up and being poor. It stays with you as you get older. Personally, I wear shoes until they fall apart and no longer are repairable. It's being frugal and getting your moneys worth.
Wait, leaving the cloudy protective shipping plastic layer on the display is not strange? By any reasonable perspective? I don't get it.
+Sean Nanoman You're a jackass.
The economy of China depends on building new
yeah, if/when they stop, the whole bubble will pop. All those people that work in construction will be out of work, and that will topple the reset of the dominos.
jay west lol no
kinda think you missed the whole point of the video..
Jay you forgot to put the word "crap" at the end of your comment.
Well the new China is rising and the old one is falling.
I'd like to see a few interviews with actual locals to get a better idea of their attitudes.
yeah, I'd like to see an interview with someone living in a house with maintenance problems in their personal space.
and an interview with someone that owns a car and refuses to change the oil
weesh ful that was just his experience why do you have assume that they are talking about the whole population, it was just an example to show why thing are not well maintain.
Because, they built shit and then don't maintain their shit.
In Portugal and India I was really struck by how really beautiful, old buildings were just left empty and exposed to the weather. In Lisbon it seemed likely that property was being kept in the expectation of a rise in property prices, but the windows were not sealed up, just broken glass and the roofs had often had too many winters and summers and had gaping holes or caved in. Some had even the floors collapsed. And these were really beautiful building, some were former palaces with a documented history, just being allowed to rot and collapse.
Producers of this video have a warped idea of what "a long time" is. Probably because they are young and have no memory of the Cultural Revolution and Mao's destruction of the his country. Why don't the Chinese care about their structures and allow them to fall apart? Well, according to this video it's because "they just don't care!" Got it? --- Well, not quite. The short answer is an economic one. "The people" don't care because they don't own any of the real property in a legally defensible way. Why should they care when their civic awareness teaches them that what they think they own actually belongs to them by government edict and can be taken away from them in minutes? It's a fucking socialist/marxist one party country, a Workers Paradise where nobody "owns" anything, including their personhood. Under the circumstances "Why care?".
Dimitri Ledkovsky probs
Dimitri Ledkovsky it made me think about how surprised I was when I visited the us from Spain on Americans having charities and caring so much for others on a personal level. And it dawned on me, that's a what socialism generates, egoism.
People own property today in China. I lived in east Asia for ten years, this is just the way they are. No need for complicated theories.
china is far from being socialist\marxist, private property is a thing in china, china is pretty much a capitalist society with one party regime, 30 years maybe that was the case, and what happens is that people have the mentality of not caring much because of the past where their houses and cars here owned by the governemnt and that mentality carried on.
Most people in China own the house , but they DO NOT OWN THE LAND.
Eye-opening. I had no idea about this cultural problem. If China is aspiring to be a global leader then they had better change their attitude toward maintenance. Thanks for the great coverage.
Greg Upton you can do a same vedio to any country especially in big country like USA and Russia. Quite easy to find some abandoned house.
Thing is these houses and temple they showed were used and people were living there. Your argument is invalid.
thanks men, but first, it is in small village, we don't have fund to maintain it cuz young people going out to city, old people and kids only stays in their hometown, as in USA, in the dersert west america, i believe it is the same situation! You see, in the big cities, this would not happen!
thanks men, but first,（As a chinese, I will tell you this is not the temple related to religion,it is about the loved ones passed away, it's private and serious，the other people not allowed in it In general,so they are not be beaten by the local cuz they are lucky ,this behavior was not respect to the dead and chinese people believed they will be cursed and be revenged on） it is in small village, we don't have fund to maintain it cuz young people going out to city, old people and kids only stays in their hometown, as in USA, in the dersert west america, i believe it is the same situation! You see, in the big cities, this would not happen!
Greg Upton Asians have no repair mentality
The house you went in that you call it a temple isn't some sort if buddhism or Taoism temple, it is clearly an family temple to memorize their ancestor.
The owner must be fairly rich, like a government official or an merchant I guess.
You call that a family altar, and their ancestors should be pretty upset with the state of disrepair, so much for Qingming.
it's for the whole village. all the villages in southern china has a temple similar to it.
In years past, I was an executive vice president for an Asia-based airline. The shocking lack of quality and craftsmanship can be tied to numerous factors. As an illustration, examine countries with the finest quality products in the world, Germany and Switzerland. You can sense the quality when you first arrive, and rarely are you ever disappointed. It all begins at an early age, and is in fact cultural. Both Germany and Switzerland have embraced what I term, "A Culture of Quality", and that cannot be duplicated elsewhere unless it begins at an early age, and is consistently reinforced throughout the society, regardless of cost.
Im chinese and i can absolutely say that this situation is very common in rural area.
This is one of the main reasons why I am choosing to be an English teacher in Korea instead of China. From what I have heard, China is very dirty. People don't take pride in maintaining and cleaning their things. The only example of a dirty area in Korea is the Incheon beach. For some reason, people throw their trash at the beach. It is kind of a mystery why to everyone in the country.
I was in korea for a year. The biggest problem with korea is over crowding.
Julian Sounds like China can't live without you. What you've said is YOUR opinion before any try to investigate what the reason is.
I'm sorry your aspiration in life is to be an ESOL teacher in south korea, you will have many challenges That being said I have met 2 ESOL teachers in korea who love it. But China is dirty af. Japan on the otherhand is super squeaky clean. Korea is half way between China and Japan, and the building standards and maintenance are about the same.
Korea is far from being a perfect country. I was an exchange student in Yonsei last year. I did sense an anti-foreigner feeling from about half of the people. However, they clean their stuff, the pollution is not bad in the suburban cities, and they have sit down toilets. I know those very superficial reasons to like a country, but those daily things are just important to me.
So you've heard? Do you know how big China is? you think everybody around all of China is the same? It's a dev eloping country, some parts will develop faster than others. I can't imagin you being from the States, Canada, UK or Australia. Probably some trashy European country.
An understand of the chemistry involved in concrete and the building sciences is also a contributing factor in even in the USA, but our International Building Standards for residential construction of single family and low rise buildings establishes a minimum standard. China, an emerging country with huge poverty that has one foot in the 21st century and one in the 18th has a huge hill to climb. And as you have mentioned, maintenance is essential no matter how well constructed.
Concrete is cement and very important 3 other components. I can not stress how important CLEAN; gravel, sand, and water are. Add to that, the effects of freeze/thaw cycles, the skill of the concrete finishers, the control of evaporation, and the poor quality of Chinese rebar are all part of why they are falling apart. Being a poor country whose majority population just 40 years ago didn't have running water, potable water, and availability to electricity, it doesn't surprise me that their is a learning cycle and a cultural mind set to over come. Small farmers in the US for centuries used spit and bailing wire to hold things together. there places are often Gerrymandered to the point of WTF. It's human nature partly.
Air entrainment compounds are essential to protecting concrete from freeze damage. And of course the coverage/bond between the concrete and the rebar for structural strength that vibrators nick-named dildos are used for. They are vibrating snakes from 4 to 12 feet long and 3/4" in diameter used to insure bonds and voids in the pour. I also found that small mid-rise projects in South East Asia if the roads are poor, a given, the building is mixed by small 1/2 yard concrete mixers on site and placed by a group of men carrying 5 gallon buckets in ladders. All of these factors would give anyone a less than optimal outcome.
My neighboring state of Penn. just 5 years ago finally signed on to the International building standards for residential construction. Meaning that outside major cities, their were few codes that limited the fly by the seat of your pants shit I don't often see as a given practice here in Maryland. You don't see many structures built out of wood much older than a 120 years here. And that ones that did survive are termite infested and crooked as hell.
I designed & built my Filipina wife's home in Mindanao for her family. The better supply houses offered rebar from Japan rather than the poor quality than China sold. Yet finding clean gravel, good quality sand and water in the country was a huge challenge. And as far as an understanding of sewer flows, the fall of waste products, ie shit, the safety of electrical systems and the need for electrical grounds . . . all threw me for a loop. Even something as simple as a roof boot for plumbing vents or cleaner for PVC before you glue were no were to be had.
Good read - but I don't think china is an emerging country anymore...
@@walleyperch I see it as a mixed one. For once you get out of the cities, you go back in time 150 years.
@@joem1070 Agree👍
@@walleyperch And while criticizing their shoddy construction, loved loved exploring their amazing history as I traveled.
I don't think they're intended to last.
This is the same issue with what’s happening in Sydney. Large sky rise apartment buildings are being constructed by contracted Chinese companies for cheap. Because Australia’s regulations aren’t as tight as they should be, a lot of corners are cut and now some sky rises are starting to form large cracks in the concrete supports. There’s a sky rise in Olympic park recently built that is now deemed unsafe and people who paid hundreds of thousand and even millions can’t live in or rent their property.
Chinese People can be very tight when it comes to paying for any thing,
His own wife wouldn't even lend him money when he got pick pocketed and stuck in Thailand :P
You ever worked for an Indian? Much worse.
it's chinese culture, we love to bargain and saving,we don't spent on the thing that we don't need or can't afford,it's embedded in our mind since ancient time.How often do you see poor chinese in western world?
Acong Sepele out of 3 chinese people i 've work in contruction in georgia 2 were much broke then i was, olso they were working under me.
georgia isn't west lol
I really enjoy the education you are providing to us. You could never get this from a textbook!
I took an economics course where the professor claimed that any time you see homes that are not maintained it is due to a lack of property rights. The explanation being that unless people truly own their property they wont bother investing resources in maintaining it because it would not benefit themselves in the long run.
This probably applies throughout China, because of the fact you mentiond in a previous video that you are really only leasing the property from the government for a maximum of 70 years.
Another economics term would probably apply to the communal areas, like the elevator or the environment or the temples , which is the more well-known "tragedy of the commons".
I appreciate that you guys dont conjecture too much though and mainly just say it as you see it.
>Japan and China
>Very Similar Culture
Maybe once. But definitely not anymore.