When they made movies based on video games, the actors didn't demand that the game's programmers get paid. When they made movies based on comic book, the actors didn't demand that the original comic artists get paid. When Barbie makes $500 million, the actors didn't offer some of that money to the toy's designers. Yet now that the actors are the ones being copied, they demand to get paid.
Interesting perspective, but where you're missing the point, is that the game programmers, original comic artists, and even toy designers, depending on the contracts they sign would have fair compensation for their time and creativity. Actors' likeness and work is being stolen and recreated without a fair compensation system. I would also argue that the point you've made applies to each one of these industries too. Game Developer's code has been taught to AI, the original developer will receive NOTHING! Same with the Comic artists. Generative AI art will use their work and the original artist will receive ZERO dollars. It's not just actors throwing their toys out of the pram. It's the current AI learning model in place which is using and profiting off data in a way that is unethical. Out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer this question, do you mind if I ask what industry you work in?
The thing we are missing about all of this discussion about AI, is that positions that are intellectual are at risk. These positions could include writers, scientist, politicians, etc. Perhaps AI could replace Baseball umpires in calling balls and strikes. AI will not be able to do anything about the important manual labor, such as electrical, plumbing, carpentry, building, mechanical, and excavation, all of the positions that keep the world running.
For now. Look at industrial robots. Even at home renovations, things have moved from labor intensive tasks to industrial mass produced products in which people are just installers.
Ai is helping drive general purpose robots into reality. It’ll definitely take longer to happen than the software ai stuff that replaces intellectual work but it’ll be sooner than you realize
A fleet of drones could probably build a brick wall way faster than masons. Plus, there's no need for scaffolding if they can fly. Construction will be one of the last industries affected by it, but it's coming.
I do think there should be regulations for AI immediately. We want to create guidelines and laws to protect people in general. But with this argument, I'm not sure that next, people will be asking that computers pay us for any job they have replaced us in. And I can name several, so I'm sure others can, as well.
Watch Republicans do nothing. They know they cant win. But they can and are cheating. Ai lets them cheat! So they will do nothing to ensure they can cheat. It's that simple. Same reason they protect fox news. Fox allows them to lie and brainwash. So they protect it as their lives depend on it.
AI should be banned completely. No compromises. This is a disgusting perversion of human creativity and intellect created by feeding our own work into models to steal them, along with our livelihoods.
I was a fan of the series but did not watch it for that reason. I was happy to watch the Star Wars Carrie Fischer because we would have seen the any part she performed before she passed.
The one thing that I was surprised that nobody mentioned was that AI is essentially the biggest copycat ever, in this regard. Joseph rightly pointed out that AI is fed all the human generated data to "train" it, but I believe you could make a very good legal argument that any AI generated product would then be derivative (and perhaps ONLY derivative). How would this be any different than copying story elements, music elements, etc? There have been many legal challenges to this type of creative IP theft when humans have done it, already....
SAG/AFTRA and WGA should be picketing outside of Microsoft. Generative AI is repurposing their content billions of times a day. AI models are scanning, digesting and learning from their blood sweat and tears. That is the pile of money they need to be after. Microsoft just added $154B to their value in one day with their announcement of their partnership with Meta and the pricing of their new AI tool, Microsoft 365 Copilot. That equals the total value of Disney. The unions and studios should join arms and go after the companies where their content is creating the most value: Microsoft, Meta, Open AI. AI enablers saying that validating images is too complex is completely false. They are attempting to use the illusion of complexity to confuse and intimidate so they don’t have to suffer the consequences. Remember, they can track and monitor everything we do online as well as strike down ‘disinformation.’ All of a sudden they want to throw up their hands and say artists are asking too much.
No doubt people like Kevin McCarthy are working hard to find solutions to the dangers posed by AI. You know how devoted he is to serving his fellow citizens - and how he knows better than everyone, including artificial intelligence, no matter how advanced it becomes.
Technology has already taken over around 47% of all jobs. We might as well up that number to 100% with AI. Then when humanity gets wiped out from AI, then no one has to worry about working anymore.
While I fully agree with the point being made I have to say 2 things: 1 this is not AI that is just what it is being called, they are more task accomplishers there is not actual intelligence involved and 2 in order to move towards a better future we will need to lose are jobs but with the sense that will also no long need those jobs and what jobs are needed will be voluntary (likely with some incentives) which would result in people working those jobs because it is what they want to do and are likely better at. The issues still boils down to greed.
Its an interesting argument. But also kinda problematic. People to are trained by other people and the environment. During the recent death of Tony Bennett, Buble relayed a story of when he met Bennett talking about imitating him. And Bennett said "Kid, you steal from one, you're just a thief. But when you steal from everyone, you can call it research." . Not that I think AI is all that great or is justified in its use. I knew a machinist, who helped put in a whole bunch of automation. And he said it wasn't better. It didn't make a really better outcome. Didn't significantly reduce costs. It just removed labor.
If an Ai read your book as training data you are owed whatever price your book sells for, nothing more. If you post stuff for free, then its free. Stop treating AI's different then you would any other intelligence.
Actor made movies will always exist. The TV didn’t replace all radios. There is always the adequate place for the artform of moviemaking. Still as a consumer I wouldn’t want to pay extra money to an actor, because he feels he deserves a piece of the pie of an unbaked cake, that is AI. Copyright is already really annoying, but now a recombination of copyrighted material should be considered infringement? Like c‘mon. 70 years of copyright after the author died is more than enough. AI generated content will be the mass produced good for individualisation of e.g. a t-shirt, while rich people could enjoy paying extra for hand-made customised artwork. Same for movies. Do we pay continuous sums of money for infrastructure we use, our ancestors build. No. At some point, you don’t have full autonomy about your own creation, you were already paid for.
This is an absurd assertion. First, plenty of video, for training purposes, already exists, and is the property of someone other than the actor. I've seen AI generated videos of long dead actors or politicians. So, the 'we are the data' argument is pure sophistry. People are always complaining about the jobs shipped overseas, but most manufacturing job loss was due to automation, not outsourcing. Cars used to be assembled by humans, now most of the work is done by robots. Did robots (or rather robot manufacturers) pay those displaced by robots? How about all the stablers and ferriers, put out of work by the automobile? Were they paid by Ford, et. al? As technology changes, old jobs disappear, and new ones arise. And, when jobs are shipped overseas, the people currently doing them in the US, are often used to train their replacement. This is no different.
Those people you talk about, are some of the ones that pushed and used computers, to make movies the last 10-15 years, whether it be computer generated animation, computer generated stunts, as opposed to stunt men and women, my question is, where did you think it was going to lead to ? You shouldn't act surprised that this is where its led to. When people got lazy, and started using computers, and automation to either assist or do their jobs for them, its redundant to now be upset, or surprised that less people will be needed in order to do a job or large project, the old saying is true, Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.
Ok look. When CGI took over special effects industry. The ones that grew a career of practical magic special effects, and Matte paintings. Lost jobs. The cgi industry didn’t subsidize practical magic special effect artists, and Matte painters. Reminds me of my career. I’m a graphic artist, and back in the day. If you wanted a sign for your business you would hire a artist, like me, to hand paint the logo’s font. Then late 1980s sign companies got computers, and vinyl stickers. And started printing fonts. (Which never outlast the enamel paint that I use on my signs). No sign company gave me reparations. Same thing happened when people working in the auto industry, got replaced by robotics. Did robot makers subsidize ppl?
Did you created the font and computers stole it from you? Of so, sue them . Are they using some of your image creation without your permission? ..if so sue them . If ai ever uses your creation and content , wouldn't you want to get paid for it?
AI owes it's existence to all of us, it is a collective creation of society. It took years of data and content from all of us, to train it. As such it should benefit all of us. Everyone should receive an AI Dividend, it could work like a UBI, funded by a tax on AI automation as it increasingly replaces human workers.
AI is just a cheap imitation of what people are capable of. Utilizing copyrighted material is already against the law, so maybe some lawsuits are in order to set some precedence. The industry should definitely not be allowed to write it into contracts to basically 'steal your face'. laws definitely need updating to address this for all the people. if only the house was in order ❤️⚡️💙
This sounds like all the other industries that changed and was then met with the phrase " learn to code" Maybe its a good idea to think because just maybe it can happen to you.
I mostly agree with these guys.. However, the way Generative AI works, it's "use" of things which it trained on, is FAR too indirect to ever be able to tie back to individual pieces of content from training. Trying to individually reimburse specific content-creators on a separate level, for their exact proportional role in creating the patterns the AI uses to generate content, is just beyond mathematically impossible. AI will eventually have all the knowledge necessary, to create anything imaginable, and it won't matter who's training data goes in from that point forward. These companies have been collecting info about us for decades now, the training data contains stuff from everybody! Payments from AI should be sent to everyone in return! This stuff WILL break our economy, if we do not change something BIG, ASAP! Either that, or those who lose their jobs to AI, will start rioting and burn everything to the ground.
A lot of ppl don’t care about this strike. UNTIL AI touches their industries and they r out of a job then they will care. $ talks as always! Good piece Joseph!
Yes and that's the idea behind UBI. Pay for everyone, mainly financed by the big corporations that are many times more lucrative now by replacing human employees with AI and machines.
What did all the manufacturing workers say when automation and robots caused a massive reduction in the workforce? The same is going to happen throughout industry whenever there is an opportunity to shed people off their books. Transport is likely the next big industry to go through major changes when auto pilots reach reliable level 5.
Wow Joseph is very well informed on this topic. Rarely hear someone this updated on AI speak from outside of the industry. AI is coming for every industry and with how slow our moves...it will react probably be too late.
I remember Max Headroom when I was a kid. I believe an actual live actor. I remember hearing that in the future people would watch movies that didn't have a single live actor in them. I laughed and laughed and laughed. Here we are.
In 2000 while in Beijing I put money in a vending machine. It did not work, a person came running over, opened the machine and pushed buttons, my coffee was handed to me. I asked the tour guide she said ..... every machine has a person to supervise it. Ever since I have remembered this...... wisdom. Like when I wait on the telephone only to get a menu that never works......... Every Algorithm needs a person to supervise it!
AI "trainers" are already reluctant to release the names of those whose work was "ingested" to make the AI. It would have to be a matter of legislation to ensure that the sources are properly acknowledged. Just saying "the internet was scraped" should not suffice. Whose contributions to the internet were scraped?
The question is when is a writer not stealing from someone or something else. Nothing is new under the sun. The truth is , you all found a way to be greedier.🎉
Wow. That is some tortured logic. Fantastically disingenuous. You can make the same argument about ANY advancement as they all required the knowledge handed down from others. Just stop your whining and find another career.
Actually the headline is mistaken, up to the point of even becoming somewhat misleading. Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't (only) speaking about people who lose their jobs, he is speaking about the people who created the work that "Generative AI" uses as "data" to inform their digital "creativity"; he is saying people should be paid for their creative work. That is, he is talking about intellectual property which AI uses to inform itself. So a more accurate headline would be: "If artificial intelligence takes your work, AI should pay you, argues actor" And right he is.
No, he's wrong. If actors are paid for their work, the studio owns those images. They already paid for them. In 1984, I wrote some code that is still in use in every server farm. But, although it was all my work, I was paid for it at the time, and it belonged to my employer. I can't go back and ask for royalties for work that I received a salary for.
@@deborahfreedman333 Oh yes he is. Whatever may have happened to you, does not mean that it has been a correct or (legally) just manner in which you have been treated. And even if it were, that still doesn't mean your situation is necessarily applicable here. For one thing, you are unclear about your contractual situation at the time. Whether you were regularly paid staff who wrote lines of a larger project "on the clock", or were actually paid for a finished product you created autonomously, makes a huge difference. In the former case your employer was highly likely the owner of the intellectual property of your work from the beginning, and you never had much right in that field anyway (depending in part on your employment-contract). In the latter case your rights and those of the buyer depend in large part on the conditions of purchase you agreed upon. Indeed, if one buys intellectual property-rights to some project from another party, the exact rights one buys are highly dependent on which rights are agreed upon in the contract. And the simple reality is that for example for actors it goes that over the years (and decades) they have produced immense amounts of intellectual property based on their looks and acting, for which never any agreement was made towards the purpose of machine-learning. That is, the studios have bought all kinds of rights for the puposes of showing and promoting and a lot more, but they never paid a penny of royalties towards the purpose of machine-learning. So no, intellectual property-law is not nearly as simple and one-dimensional as you try to paint it here. And yes, Joseph Gordon-Levitt is bloody well right to say something about it.
The solution is pretty straightforward to me: If AI is the way of the future, let's tax those who use AI to cut jobs to fund universal basic income schemes.
Tell me the solution for eradicating jobs that won't render people homeless while making the obscenely rich obscenely richer. I'm all ears. And I'd love to know what your jobs are that you are pro automation to the point that you don't see yourselves affected by lost livelihoods.
And not just anyone can work on this tech not enough people know how to program tech in the first place by the time we get more students in college to even learn these thing it could be too late come on think about humanity.
We should have regulated these things long before now. If I could name how many times I have seen computers / automated systems replace people. Computers have been replacing us for decades now... and we are only now just having this conversation?? Now that the rich and famous are upset...
Maybe they replaced you, but as someone who had been paid to write code since 1981, they were my livelihood. Jobs change. Do you whine about the lost jobs for ferriers and hostliers, with the advent of the automobile? Are you upset you don't spend most of your day spinning wool or grinding wheat, as our foremothers did?
Moreover, there is a changing environment for store cashiers, store clerks, and office workers; just as in the past with gas station attendants, paperboys, milkmen, and even postal and delivery workers our employment needs are evolving. I can see a need for a guaranteed minimum income (GMI) to alleviate the financial transition while being retrained. When people have no income and plenty of open time, their thoughts and actions can lead to anger and dissent, which can manifest into conflict and destroy our society.
AI produces results by keywords. This can lead to absurd results and leave out things that you actually like. You can't tell AI what you want. It does not understand that. Also, you cannot negotiate or clarify what you are looking for with AI. It is "take it or leave it". Okay, many humans can be lacking in knowledge and empathy also, but at least you get the chance to clarify. If you rely on AI, it can set a dangerous path.
We're not sure why an otherwise perfectly healthy Bronny James suffered a heart attack at just 18 years of age but we are absolutely positive that it wasn't the completely safe and effective Covid Jab that he just was injected with.
JGL is a genius actor, and in the other disiplines. I think that a portion of remuneration should go directly to the person who loses the job... there should be a relative index as to whether the worker was...pushed into being dependent on the "job" to live and prosper. We should reward the winners, and those who would have lived differently in the first place. Check Detroit.
Not to mention every single movie coming out lately sucks. Thanks cgi a.I big tech copy and pasters. All a.I can do is a set task. Meaning when you use it. It copies and pastes a bunch of movies jumbled up into a pile of unintelligible crap. Bring back life to Hollywood!
Some of the cynical comments here made by people who think they are being “practical” offer no solutions other than rolling over and submitting. I suggest they stop trying to be sensational and get a little more concerned about where this is going and the kind of society our children may face.
I don’t see how Capitalism can properly function as Ai keeps advancing. Don’t get me wrong, not advocating for Socialism either, I have no clue what type of economic society could function under this emerging technological age. But one thing is for sure, we’re in for a lot of growing pains.
I remember when ATMs came out, and everyone complained that they would take tellers' jobs. And yet, the number of bank employees increased. And they had to hire people like me, to write the code to run those ATMs, who they paid much better than tellers.
When they made movies based on video games, the actors didn't demand that the game's programmers get paid.
When they made movies based on comic book, the actors didn't demand that the original comic artists get paid.
When Barbie makes $500 million, the actors didn't offer some of that money to the toy's designers.
Yet now that the actors are the ones being copied, they demand to get paid.
Interesting perspective, but where you're missing the point, is that the game programmers, original comic artists, and even toy designers, depending on the contracts they sign would have fair compensation for their time and creativity. Actors' likeness and work is being stolen and recreated without a fair compensation system. I would also argue that the point you've made applies to each one of these industries too. Game Developer's code has been taught to AI, the original developer will receive NOTHING! Same with the Comic artists. Generative AI art will use their work and the original artist will receive ZERO dollars. It's not just actors throwing their toys out of the pram. It's the current AI learning model in place which is using and profiting off data in a way that is unethical. Out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer this question, do you mind if I ask what industry you work in?
I am in favor of AI replacing the president and congress
OK KAREN.
@@chadusa1776 I need your man's phone number.
The thing we are missing about all of this discussion about AI, is that positions that are intellectual are at risk. These positions could include writers, scientist, politicians, etc. Perhaps AI could replace Baseball umpires in calling balls and strikes. AI will not be able to do anything about the important manual labor, such as electrical, plumbing, carpentry, building, mechanical, and excavation, all of the positions that keep the world running.
For now. Look at industrial robots. Even at home renovations, things have moved from labor intensive tasks to industrial mass produced products in which people are just installers.
@@AlbertMark-nb9zo I came here to write what you wrote.
Ai is helping drive general purpose robots into reality. It’ll definitely take longer to happen than the software ai stuff that replaces intellectual work but it’ll be sooner than you realize
A fleet of drones could probably build a brick wall way faster than masons. Plus, there's no need for scaffolding if they can fly. Construction will be one of the last industries affected by it, but it's coming.
@@CooperMarketingUnlimited It's already here. I remember watching a news segment about a subdivision being built by robots, programmed by AI.
It's not just a problem for the acting world. If it takes over there, then it will move into every other industry.
Even if it doesn't take over Hollywood it's still going to take over every other industry.
You could say the same about computers. Society could not function without them. Don't be so quick to dismiss a new technology.
@@Chrisfeb68 Computers can't take over human interactions. AI can. Do your research before you post.
AI is no where near close to make work without lots of assisting from humans. BUT this needs to get addressed now before the rich eat the poor more.
Why?
The weak deserve to be ruled by the strong.
@@springerworks002eh.... 50/50
I do think there should be regulations for AI immediately. We want to create guidelines and laws to protect people in general. But with this argument, I'm not sure that next, people will be asking that computers pay us for any job they have replaced us in. And I can name several, so I'm sure others can, as well.
Watch Republicans do nothing. They know they cant win. But they can and are cheating. Ai lets them cheat! So they will do nothing to ensure they can cheat. It's that simple. Same reason they protect fox news. Fox allows them to lie and brainwash. So they protect it as their lives depend on it.
AI should be banned completely. No compromises. This is a disgusting perversion of human creativity and intellect created by feeding our own work into models to steal them, along with our livelihoods.
We’re going to have to quickly move to a guaranteed universal income if AI proceeds as it looks.
Actors should learn to code
Writing code is like writing in a human language. You can train almost anyone to do it, but only a very few write well.
I cured cancer - no joke
Even though Elon Musk is anti Union he has made the Statement that AI should be taxed so displaced workers can be compensated.
Well what about when the AI realizes the money it’s earning is being taken? 🤔
Why would AI care? It don't need food, or medical, or toilet paper.
@@jazz-a-lopium8090(it's a joke)
I don't think Al needs to announce his name when he started to speak. His voice is pretty unmistakable.
Funny how they wont say the same thing about immigrants.
When automation costs actors their jobs it matters. When it takes the rest of our jobs it’s progress
Sounds like fascist Biden and his incompetent administration with American citizens
Making AI to work for the benefit of the people while we have capitalism is like a joke.
A cruel joke. The underlying justifications for why we do many things, the way we do, change significantly the more AI improves.
If I were a company that made scripts from trained data, I'd simply state that I didn't use Joseph Boredom-Levy's work. How would he prove otherwise?
The latest Indiana Jones movie has an AI version of a young Harrison Ford
I was a fan of the series but did not watch it for that reason. I was happy to watch the Star Wars Carrie Fischer because we would have seen the any part she performed before she passed.
This just in…
Screen Actors Guild rebrands themselves to Film Actors Guild
whats the point of having oscars, emmys, and golden globe awards if AI replaces actors?
The one thing that I was surprised that nobody mentioned was that AI is essentially the biggest copycat ever, in this regard. Joseph rightly pointed out that AI is fed all the human generated data to "train" it, but I believe you could make a very good legal argument that any AI generated product would then be derivative (and perhaps ONLY derivative). How would this be any different than copying story elements, music elements, etc? There have been many legal challenges to this type of creative IP theft when humans have done it, already....
BTW: big JGL fan here!
Exactly 🎯
SAG/AFTRA and WGA should be picketing outside of Microsoft. Generative AI is repurposing their content billions of times a day. AI models are scanning, digesting and learning from their blood sweat and tears. That is the pile of money they need to be after. Microsoft just added $154B to their value in one day with their announcement of their partnership with Meta and the pricing of their new AI tool, Microsoft 365 Copilot. That equals the total value of Disney. The unions and studios should join arms and go after the companies where their content is creating the most value: Microsoft, Meta, Open AI. AI enablers saying that validating images is too complex is completely false. They are attempting to use the illusion of complexity to confuse and intimidate so they don’t have to suffer the consequences. Remember, they can track and monitor everything we do online as well as strike down ‘disinformation.’ All of a sudden they want to throw up their hands and say artists are asking too much.
No doubt people like Kevin McCarthy are working hard to find solutions to the dangers posed by AI. You know how devoted he is to serving his fellow citizens - and how he knows better than everyone, including artificial intelligence, no matter how advanced it becomes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Please don't stop.
Who is in charge of the White House? And the senate? Hopefully AI replaces 90% of college professors. Specifically liberal arts professors.
Filthy Republican traitors
Actors should be working to solve pressing social issues now.
Just wait for the AI in self driving cars. Taxi drivers, truck drivers, bus drivers will be impacted.
AI should have to cite every source it used to write a screenplay.
& give sources of Scientific/Medical/Peer-Reviewed research. Which they don't do currently.
30 min. Long credits 😂
Technology has already taken over around 47% of all jobs. We might as well up that number to 100% with AI. Then when humanity gets wiped out from AI, then no one has to worry about working anymore.
As long as we guarantee education, housing, healthcare, healthy food and infrastructure paid for by those who are eradicating jobs, I'm all for it.
It should be known that JGL's wife is part of the board of directors for OpenAI.
Most artist get paid nothing. Ever. I mean, is he gonna pay his influences? It’s a gray area.
Robot rights, make em pay taxes
While I fully agree with the point being made I have to say 2 things: 1 this is not AI that is just what it is being called, they are more task accomplishers there is not actual intelligence involved and 2 in order to move towards a better future we will need to lose are jobs but with the sense that will also no long need those jobs and what jobs are needed will be voluntary (likely with some incentives) which would result in people working those jobs because it is what they want to do and are likely better at. The issues still boils down to greed.
McCartney used AI to bring back Lennon for a new song. Think about that. Elvis has not left the building.
Its an interesting argument. But also kinda problematic. People to are trained by other people and the environment. During the recent death of Tony Bennett, Buble relayed a story of when he met Bennett talking about imitating him. And Bennett said "Kid, you steal from one, you're just a thief. But when you steal from everyone, you can call it research." . Not that I think AI is all that great or is justified in its use. I knew a machinist, who helped put in a whole bunch of automation. And he said it wasn't better. It didn't make a really better outcome. Didn't significantly reduce costs. It just removed labor.
That's very fair.
If only AI were real and had actual money...
If an Ai read your book as training data you are owed whatever price your book sells for, nothing more. If you post stuff for free, then its free. Stop treating AI's different then you would any other intelligence.
Actor made movies will always exist. The TV didn’t replace all radios.
There is always the adequate place for the artform of moviemaking.
Still as a consumer I wouldn’t want to pay extra money to an actor, because
he feels he deserves a piece of the pie of an unbaked cake, that is AI.
Copyright is already really annoying, but now a recombination of copyrighted material should be considered infringement?
Like c‘mon. 70 years of copyright after the author died is more than enough.
AI generated content will be the mass produced good for individualisation of e.g. a t-shirt, while rich people could enjoy paying extra for hand-made customised artwork.
Same for movies.
Do we pay continuous sums of money for infrastructure we use, our ancestors build. No.
At some point, you don’t have full autonomy about your own creation, you were already paid for.
So what do you do at the award show the winner goes to A.I for best new picture.
Perhaps there wont be any. They wont be preaching their political and social elitism and looking down on America's working class.
@@Atomwaffen-y3s boo
Sure and AI argues that it should the right to copyright
*US Copyright Office: AI Generated Works Are Not Eligible for Copyright*
~Art News
how much money does Al Sharpton make per funeral?
Sorry!
MILLIONAIRE actor, writer and director...
A I could violate HIPAA requirements
This is an absurd assertion. First, plenty of video, for training purposes, already exists, and is the property of someone other than the actor. I've seen AI generated videos of long dead actors or politicians. So, the 'we are the data' argument is pure sophistry. People are always complaining about the jobs shipped overseas, but most manufacturing job loss was due to automation, not outsourcing. Cars used to be assembled by humans, now most of the work is done by robots. Did robots (or rather robot manufacturers) pay those displaced by robots? How about all the stablers and ferriers, put out of work by the automobile? Were they paid by Ford, et. al? As technology changes, old jobs disappear, and new ones arise. And, when jobs are shipped overseas, the people currently doing them in the US, are often used to train their replacement. This is no different.
Those people you talk about, are some of the ones that pushed and used computers, to make movies the last 10-15 years, whether it be computer generated animation, computer generated stunts, as opposed to stunt men and women, my question is, where did you think it was going to lead to ? You shouldn't act surprised that this is where its led to. When people got lazy, and started using computers, and automation to either assist or do their jobs for them, its redundant to now be upset, or surprised that less people will be needed in order to do a job or large project, the old saying is true, Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.
Ok look. When CGI took over special effects industry. The ones that grew a career of practical magic special effects, and Matte paintings. Lost jobs. The cgi industry didn’t subsidize practical magic special effect artists, and Matte painters.
Reminds me of my career. I’m a graphic artist, and back in the day. If you wanted a sign for your business you would hire a artist, like me, to hand paint the logo’s font.
Then late 1980s sign companies got computers, and vinyl stickers. And started printing fonts. (Which never outlast the enamel paint that I use on my signs). No sign company gave me reparations.
Same thing happened when people working in the auto industry, got replaced by robotics. Did robot makers subsidize ppl?
Did you created the font and computers stole it from you? Of so, sue them . Are they using some of your image creation without your permission? ..if so sue them . If ai ever uses your creation and content , wouldn't you want to get paid for it?
@@jlbueno0611 only one font. I used in my career was ever used in computer’s list of fonts. Called Divinity.
This is the truth few talk about.
AI owes it's existence to all of us, it is a collective creation of society. It took years of data and content from all of us, to train it. As such it should benefit all of us.
Everyone should receive an AI Dividend, it could work like a UBI, funded by a tax on AI automation as it increasingly replaces human workers.
AI is just a cheap imitation of what people are capable of. Utilizing copyrighted material is already against the law, so maybe some lawsuits are in order to set some precedence. The industry should definitely not be allowed to write it into contracts to basically 'steal your face'. laws definitely need updating to address this for all the people. if only the house was in order ❤️⚡️💙
What about Disney? They own the copyright to thousands of movies and tv shows. They can feed it all to AI without violating copyright.
This sounds like all the other industries that changed and was then met with the phrase " learn to code"
Maybe its a good idea to think because just maybe it can happen to you.
I mostly agree with these guys.. However, the way Generative AI works, it's "use" of things which it trained on, is FAR too indirect to ever be able to tie back to individual pieces of content from training. Trying to individually reimburse specific content-creators on a separate level, for their exact proportional role in creating the patterns the AI uses to generate content, is just beyond mathematically impossible. AI will eventually have all the knowledge necessary, to create anything imaginable, and it won't matter who's training data goes in from that point forward.
These companies have been collecting info about us for decades now, the training data contains stuff from everybody! Payments from AI should be sent to everyone in return!
This stuff WILL break our economy, if we do not change something BIG, ASAP! Either that, or those who lose their jobs to AI, will start rioting and burn everything to the ground.
A lot of ppl don’t care about this strike. UNTIL AI touches their industries and they r out of a job then they will care. $ talks as always! Good piece Joseph!
Important discussion for all of us!
Learning is now a crime😂😂😂👏
Yes and that's the idea behind UBI.
Pay for everyone, mainly financed by the big corporations that are many times more lucrative now by replacing human employees with AI and machines.
"Is it REAL, OR, Is it Memorex?"...The Commander makes a Valid Point, Cobras...
What did all the manufacturing workers say when automation and robots caused a massive reduction in the workforce? The same is going to happen throughout industry whenever there is an opportunity to shed people off their books. Transport is likely the next big industry to go through major changes when auto pilots reach reliable level 5.
With the current state of AI, no one has anything to worry about.
I hope you don't believe that.
Replace him with an AI actor.
Dont watch any content that is "created by" AI
Sounds fair, your artificial money will be coming shortly.
So if we want to watch these movies when they come out we should pay in artificial money too. :)
The only way to stop this is to stop consuming content.
Wow Joseph is very well informed on this topic. Rarely hear someone this updated on AI speak from outside of the industry. AI is coming for every industry and with how slow our moves...it will react probably be too late.
As Hunter tries to escape the Jaws of Justice for he & his fathers betrayal to the taxpayers. AI will be taking your job.
Fill the Bill so to speak.
Drink your kool aid.
@@2l84t The Long Arm of the Law is coming for you boy. And you thought you could get away with it. Enjoy your Time!
Universal basic income
AI can generate junk.
The human experience isn't artificial.
I remember Max Headroom when I was a kid. I believe an actual live actor. I remember hearing that in the future people would watch movies that didn't have a single live actor in them. I laughed and laughed and laughed. Here we are.
Fascist Biden is max headroom
So basically he was a human playing a deepfake... and now we have deepfakes playing humans?
Yeah, irony. This is why we can't have nice things, lol
Brilliant argument
I’ve been a JGL fan for years, but my first take from seeing the thumbnail, I thought this was Rob Schneider 😂
Should Chatgpt get residuals from college grads or maybe diplomas because students are using AI to do the assignments.
In 2000 while in Beijing I put money in a vending machine. It did not work, a person came running over, opened the machine and pushed buttons, my coffee was handed to me. I asked the tour guide she said ..... every machine has a person to supervise it. Ever since I have remembered this...... wisdom. Like when I wait on the telephone only to get a menu that never works......... Every Algorithm needs a person to supervise it!
AI "trainers" are already reluctant to release the names of those whose work was "ingested" to make the AI. It would have to be a matter of legislation to ensure that the sources are properly acknowledged. Just saying "the internet was scraped" should not suffice. Whose contributions to the internet were scraped?
Dont be foolish AI seems cool but its not an advancement.
If it is it will advance destruction.
The question is when is a writer not stealing from someone or something else. Nothing is new under the sun. The truth is , you all found a way to be greedier.🎉
Wow. That is some tortured logic. Fantastically disingenuous. You can make the same argument about ANY advancement as they all required the knowledge handed down from others. Just stop your whining and find another career.
It's time for UBI
Actually the headline is mistaken, up to the point of even becoming somewhat misleading.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't (only) speaking about people who lose their jobs, he is speaking about the people who created the work that "Generative AI" uses as "data" to inform their digital "creativity"; he is saying people should be paid for their creative work. That is, he is talking about intellectual property which AI uses to inform itself.
So a more accurate headline would be: "If artificial intelligence takes your work, AI should pay you, argues actor"
And right he is.
No, he's wrong. If actors are paid for their work, the studio owns those images. They already paid for them. In 1984, I wrote some code that is still in use in every server farm. But, although it was all my work, I was paid for it at the time, and it belonged to my employer. I can't go back and ask for royalties for work that I received a salary for.
@@deborahfreedman333
Oh yes he is.
Whatever may have happened to you, does not mean that it has been a correct or (legally) just manner in which you have been treated. And even if it were, that still doesn't mean your situation is necessarily applicable here.
For one thing, you are unclear about your contractual situation at the time. Whether you were regularly paid staff who wrote lines of a larger project "on the clock", or were actually paid for a finished product you created autonomously, makes a huge difference. In the former case your employer was highly likely the owner of the intellectual property of your work from the beginning, and you never had much right in that field anyway (depending in part on your employment-contract). In the latter case your rights and those of the buyer depend in large part on the conditions of purchase you agreed upon. Indeed, if one buys intellectual property-rights to some project from another party, the exact rights one buys are highly dependent on which rights are agreed upon in the contract.
And the simple reality is that for example for actors it goes that over the years (and decades) they have produced immense amounts of intellectual property based on their looks and acting, for which never any agreement was made towards the purpose of machine-learning. That is, the studios have bought all kinds of rights for the puposes of showing and promoting and a lot more, but they never paid a penny of royalties towards the purpose of machine-learning.
So no, intellectual property-law is not nearly as simple and one-dimensional as you try to paint it here.
And yes, Joseph Gordon-Levitt is bloody well right to say something about it.
Silicon Valley attacking Hollywood. The snake eating it’s own tail. 😂
Oooh my boyfriend
I’d be embarrassed to report on this.
I would have ZERO INTEREST in seeing a movie not made by human beings. We are not good enough morally and efhically as a species to be ready for ai.
You mean the next zombi apocalypse movie?
Unless you haven't watched a movie made in the last thirty years, you've already seen AI generated characters.
The solution is pretty straightforward to me:
If AI is the way of the future, let's tax those who use AI to cut jobs to fund universal basic income schemes.
Sure, let's tax thosw who build roads and automobiles and give the money to blacksmiths and horseshoers
Income taxation is blatant extortion
Tell me the solution for eradicating jobs that won't render people homeless while making the obscenely rich obscenely richer.
I'm all ears.
And I'd love to know what your jobs are that you are pro automation to the point that you don't see yourselves affected by lost livelihoods.
@@eaman11 roads are made and automakers are subsidized with....
Say it with me: TAXES!!!!
That is what happens when activists squawk for 15 dollars an hour to flip a burger
And not just anyone can work on this tech not enough people know how to program tech in the first place by the time we get more students in college to even learn these thing it could be too late come on think about humanity.
I'm ok with Hollywood going away. The stuff these writers put on tv is pretty bad
Leading up to mark of beast
Fairy tales.
The canary must be fed, singing for it’s supper❣️
Progress is progress, we just need to adapt.
What about Automation taking jobs, that doesn't count or what 🤔
I thought the Sloppy Joe Brandon administration said JOBS were good? Apparently not? If it's the Summer of Strikes? 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not to bright are you? Have to have a job to go on strike.
@@2l84t what's your excuse?
Tax robots for UBI
We should have regulated these things long before now. If I could name how many times I have seen computers / automated systems replace people. Computers have been replacing us for decades now... and we are only now just having this conversation?? Now that the rich and famous are upset...
Maybe they replaced you, but as someone who had been paid to write code since 1981, they were my livelihood. Jobs change. Do you whine about the lost jobs for ferriers and hostliers, with the advent of the automobile? Are you upset you don't spend most of your day spinning wool or grinding wheat, as our foremothers did?
more AI, less job
Moreover, there is a changing environment for store cashiers, store clerks, and office workers; just as in the past with gas station attendants, paperboys, milkmen, and even postal and delivery workers our employment needs are evolving. I can see a need for a guaranteed minimum income (GMI) to alleviate the financial transition while being retrained. When people have no income and plenty of open time, their thoughts and actions can lead to anger and dissent, which can manifest into conflict and destroy our society.
AI produces results by keywords. This can lead to absurd results and leave out things that you actually like. You can't tell AI what you want. It does not understand that.
Also, you cannot negotiate or clarify what you are looking for with AI. It is "take it or leave it". Okay, many humans can be lacking in knowledge and empathy also, but at least you get the chance to clarify. If you rely on AI, it can set a dangerous path.
Way to let us know you've never used AI. Of course you can tell it what you want.
You can't patent anything AI so therefore how can one profit. My research is from the United States patent and trademark office (USPTO)
We're not sure why an otherwise perfectly healthy Bronny James suffered a heart attack at just 18 years of age but we are absolutely positive that it wasn't the completely safe and effective Covid Jab that he just was injected with.
Derp, derp, derp....
Is it really Joseph or a journalist using AI filter?! 😅 just kidding
JGL is a genius actor, and in the other disiplines. I think that a portion of remuneration should go directly to the person who loses the job... there should be a relative index as to whether the worker was...pushed into being dependent on the "job" to live and prosper. We should reward the winners, and those who would have lived differently in the first place. Check Detroit.
A.I. will replace JGL
Not to mention every single movie coming out lately sucks. Thanks cgi a.I big tech copy and pasters.
All a.I can do is a set task.
Meaning when you use it. It copies and pastes a bunch of movies jumbled up into a pile of unintelligible crap.
Bring back life to Hollywood!
Some of the cynical comments here made by people who think they are being “practical” offer no solutions other than rolling over and submitting. I suggest they stop trying to be sensational and get a little more concerned about where this is going and the kind of society our children may face.
Kids today don't watch tv, they play video games. They are used to interacting with digital characters. For them, AI movies will be normal.
I don’t see how Capitalism can properly function as Ai keeps advancing. Don’t get me wrong, not advocating for Socialism either, I have no clue what type of economic society could function under this emerging technological age. But one thing is for sure, we’re in for a lot of growing pains.
I remember when ATMs came out, and everyone complained that they would take tellers' jobs. And yet, the number of bank employees increased. And they had to hire people like me, to write the code to run those ATMs, who they paid much better than tellers.