The Purifying Power of Gethsemane - Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles final testimony, delivered Saturday April 6, 1985. Elder McConkie passed away shortly after. This talk is copyrighted, I believe, by both the Church and the McConkie family. Scenes from the Lamb of God are shown and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings "I Believe in Christ."
He was and for anyone who could not feel of his spirit, they must be made of stone.......bless him and his family always!
Powerful!
Well said......
''I have really been pushing the limits of my riding, and that's all part of it,'' Bright said shortly after being discharged from Aspen Valley Hospital. ''It's not the first or the last time I will have a fall. I am fine. I feel good and I just decided to sit out the X Games in the best interest of focusing on the main event in Vancouver.''
Bright's resilience extends beyond morality. Last week, while training for the Winter X Games in Aspen, Colorado, she suffered a heavy fall that left her with a second concussion in a month. The fall came after she attempted a switchback 720, but Bright was quick to reaffirm her intention to compete in Vancouver.
The 23-year-old has been dubbed the "queen of the extreme" because of her radical manoeuvres in the half-pipe. Last year, she finished first in the Superpipe events at the Winter X Games and the Winter Dew Tour.
Everybody would be like, 'We'll break you one day, Torah. We'll get you,'" Bright told Sport&Style magazine. "I'd never really wanted to [drink or smoke], so that's been easy for me. But the constant battle with everybody was tiring, just going, 'No, you haven't broken me yet. You won't break me.'"
In this spirit, it seems to me that the much of the book of Genesis presents us with an extended treatment of this question regarding our responsibilities to others. At first, Jacob takes advantage of Esaus vulnerable state and cleverly gains the birthright from him. Jacob is not Esaus keeper-rather, every brother for himself.
@jrcross49
"And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."
In a nutshell, this tells us that he was stressed to the max; his spiritual turmoil was manifested physically. This does not mean that he atoned for humanity through his anxiety. Have you ever been in anguish trying to make or face a terrifyingly difficult decision or circumstance? Jesus was human and he did just that. His sacrifice was on the cross.
Bright added that only once in her life has she consumed a pharmaceutical product - a painkilling tablet after she had a tendon in her finger reattached. ''I only took half of it, and I just sat on the couch all day, conked out,'' she said. ''So I don't react well to that kind of stuff.''
This would be very impressive if it were true. The garden was where Jesus prayed for the cup to be removed from him, and struggled against the temptation to do his own will and not the Father's. On the cross he took upon himself the sins of all and suffered the penalties - he was shamed and despised by men, and separated from the Father. True Christians do not honor Christ's night of temptation and prayer in the garden as atoning, but his death upon the cross.
Another Gospel.
Christ didn't have to suffer!
Laban then treats Jacob in a similarly exploitative way, extracting 14 years of labor out of Jacob instead of the expected/intended 7 years, before releasing Rachel (Gen 29).
@Enca73 the process of him taking on the sins of the world is the atonement, not the sweating blood. The atonement was the reconciliation between god and man from the fall. and th NT is a record of jesus's life, and the ot uses symbolism to explain gods pain, "Pierced for our transgressions" but dont take my word for it find out more for yourself if you have questions about the things you said
@Enca73 Christ's sacrifice was much more than the Cross. Biblically, it started with the Garden of Eden; was illustrated within the law of Moses; proclaimed by the prophets; announced to Mary, the sheperds & apostles; & forged in his life. The avenue to oneness with God was paved in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Perfect, Fulfilling, Sacrificial Lamb hung & died upon the cross. He was revealed to the dead, and became the first fruits of the resurrection. He lives, and will return, King & Lord.
@omiolo what's with Torah Bright?
@kinkajuu1 If the garden is where Jesus atoned (even partially) for humanity's sins, then why does no one in the NT (Paul, Peter, John, etc.) refer to it, yet every time you turn around you see them praising his sacrifice on the cross? Why does the OT prophesy about him being "pierced for our transgressions" as on the cross yet remain silent about him sweating? I'm not saying Jesus didn't sweat... just that doing so was not an act of atonement but rather extreme trepidation and anxiety.
@Enca73 If you believe this mate then why did he sweat great drops of blood in the Garden? I believe that the suffering or atonement started in the garden. He prayed three times. He was tempted throughout his life and yet "heeded it not". Sweating drops of blood would kill people for even one and yet the Bible states that he swat many. For him to take upon himself the punishment of the repentant sinners, would require great suffering and pain. It was freely offered from the Garden to the Cross.
I think "Allows His child to suffer because He loves us that much" would be more accurate of our view. In the words of his own apostle, it was "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life." I don't know where you came up with the amusement part. I hope that isn't a reflection of a father you know.
If you believe this mate then why did he sweat great drops of blood in the Garden? I believe that the suffering or atonement started in the garden. He prayed three times. He was tempted throughout his life and yet "heeded it not". Sweating drops of blood would kill people for even one and yet the Bible states that he swat many. For him to take upon himself the punishment of the repentant sinners, would require great suffering and pain. It was freely offered from the Garden to the Cross.