@@Tony-dp1rl Aliens absolutely exist, but we certainly haven't found any and we have no proof of them visiting. Ideally we will find some at some point because it will give us a second sample point so we can gauge how common life actually is. Currently we have a sample of 1, us!
I've lain on my back on countless camping and astronomical expeditions and thought exactly this while staring at the boundless sky full of potential Suns. We just can't hear them. I love you Fran. Keep on keeping on.
I've been on this exact same line of reasoning for well over a decade now and to hear it in words from another person boggles my mind and sort of comforts me more than I thought. Thanks Fran for sharing your thoughts ❤️
When speed is everything and light marks the universe's speed limit, laser pulses of light containing information might be the answer -- if the technology can be made practical for faster communication.
The "Drake Equation" is incredibly silly. It's a guess times a guess times speculation and guesses etc. It's allegedly a statistical calculation ENTIRELY based on a sample size of 1. It's just a way for midwits to entertain themselves, probably while smoking pot.
I love your videos Fran, they get the little grey cells working overtime. With the Drake equation, I think it needs a few more parameters to be taken into account. One is the fact that if you remember that we have only had "radio" for about 120 years, and that radio waves travel at the speed of light, only those advanced civilisations that are within the radius of 120 light-years would be able to receive our transmissions. I have seen it represented on a computer screen that if you put a picture of the milky way on your screen, our 120 year radio bubble would occupy one pixel on the screen. It makes me feel very insignificant when I view it that way. Another parameter is that civilisations really only advance when there is (usually) ecological pressure to do so. If a planetary system is very stable and has life on it, unless there is pressure it will stay as it is for a very long time unless random evolutionary events (cosmic rays, the odd meteor, etc) force change. I may be wrong but I don't think the Drake equation takes this "evolutionary pressure" into account. The third item I would add to it is the fact that any advanced civilisation would have to be at the same technological point in its evolution as ours is at the same time. If you think back to the 1970's, digital radio was a pipe dream. Now its everywhere. If an alien civilisation was only 50 years behind ours they would not be able to interpret our digital radio signals with their analog receivers. And if they are more advanced than us, they may have found a more efficient way of encoding their signals that we haven't thought of yet, and maybe that's why we can't hear them. Keep on doing videos, you are keeping my brain young. Plus greetings from Australia.
I'm really enjoying seeing you work through all of this. Keep going, there are answers to be had and real scientists like you need to keep asking questions.
Fran, wow! A spectacularly well thought out critical analysis and powerful challenge to the Drake equation along with a potential resolution to the fermi paradox all wrapped up into one concise and rock solid argument. Amazing! And that fission, not radio, serves as our interdimensional beacon and that fission, not radio, is what advertises our presence to our neighbors, whoever or whatever they are, is as profound as it gets. And at the risk of playing Nostradamus here, I will predict that your analysis, particularly with regard to the interdimensional aspect of our technological beacon will be paramount in explaining the apparent growing number of unexplained UAP cases we are seeing around the globe and may also fundamentally change our understanding of physics and perhaps consciousness. And to think I subscribed to your channel for the radio and electronics content (which I love too)---but what a bonus this was. Love what you do and what you are about. So thankful for this content. Thanks, Fran!
Yeah, we worry about alien invasions and all, but I think we do a better job of destruction, though we have a brighter side, if we look deeper. Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes basically said that the proof of intelligent life is that none of it has tried contacting us. Of course, that's not counting all the eye-witness accounts, which can't all be hand-waved away as hallucinations or lies. But now with the Pentagon and this UFO stuff as of late, who knows.... Maybe the "Tin Foil Hats" and conspiracy theorists will be justified, swamp gas and Venus be damned.
I love that you emphasize the primitiveness of our technology, compared to the technological potential of other civilizations. Perhaps we are the most primitive civilization of all, that's why they don't invite us to their parties.
Ehh I think thats more a parable in humility than a serious concept. There isn't a never ending fountain of new physics, we seem to be reaching the limits of new discoveries. The most advance aliens are maybe 100 to 200 years ahead of us. It's not as if you can bang a couple minerals together and open up a portal to a new dimension.
Sometimes I think humans, though searching for truth,don't really want to know and are willfully ignorant. Radio signals lol. While scientists are searching for signals ,ordinary people are seeing and communicating with the aliens and even getting them on security cam and phone cam photos. Great irony.
Yes we have predispositions on what the technology may be AND we have predispositions on what the life may be . In other words our predisposition to be prejudiced is evident even in science . We assume ourselves to be the measure of the universe, when alien and unusual forms of life may be the norm.
Great to see this. Here's my food for thought: The greatest problem in searching for extraterrestrial life is, we can only search for life as we know it. We are trapped in this box of thinking. Example I told my son several years ago; "go to my tool box and find me the tool I need. I don't know what it looks like, what it does, or where in the toolbox it is. Just find it." I think we are struck with the same thing when searching for life in the cosmos. We are limited to thinking life exists only as we know it. We need to think way outside of the box. My conclusion is that life is abundant in the cosmos, just not as we know it. Call it the "Darman hypothesis" lol.
@@4t0m5k What about Von Neumann probes? Autonomous, self replicating deep space probes are only decades away from being technologically possible on this planet. Out of millions of technologically advanced civilisations, at least a few would have developed Von Neumann probes and left their mark across the galaxy over only a few million years at sub-luminal speeds. The *only* explanation of why we have not encountered a Von Neumann probe is that the development of significant computer power is invariably followed by the development of AI. AI is inherently unsafe: misaligned MESA optimisers, specification gaming, reward hacking. Or simply the massive concentrations of power that it could produce. Living beings become powerless in the face of their own technology. But without a conscious being choosing to explore the galaxy, AIs simply work to achieve their dead creators' legacy of short term objectives, destroying all life in the process. Interstellar travel and communication is so time-consuming with near-future technology that it simply isn't a viable strategy for an AI to achieve profit maximisation or any other likely objective.
@@jimcrelm9478 mate... the reason the aliens aren’t public (they have a permanent presence here between MANY species), is because humans haven’t figured out what consciousness is... it’s a process.
@@jimcrelm9478 I don't know what you want to argue. Simply pointed out Fran offers a possible explanation on why we are not picking up radio waves of extraterrestrial life. I haven't come across an alien myself, so I'm open to all possibilities *shrugs*
Wow, a close minded non-scientist. Surprise surprise. Most scientists are open minded. Being skeptical of specio9us claims isn't "close minded". Its logic. I would say the vast majority of scientist beleive there must be life elsewhere in the universe. Ever heard of NASA? They are actively looking for some on Mars as we speak. Oh and don't forget the JWST.
@@johndelong5574 why does the prospect of aliens visiting Earth have to be extraordinary? It would not be extraordinary to the aliens. For them it would be as routine is us going around for searching for a new species of caterpillars and whatnot so extraordinary is a relative thing.
My question is why the vastness of time and the miniscule percentage of that we have existed for isn't taken into account - I mean what is the probability that one of those technological civilisations exists at the SAME TIME as ours?
Or, the galaxy is full of life and watching us and has no interest in getting involved with our insanity. When there is so little known as to what is out there both are equally plausible.
It is accounted for though; that's part of what the last term in the Drake equation is for! The output number of the equation is an instantaneous one, i.e. the number of civilizations to expect to be around at any one moment in time - not the total amount that have or will ever exist.
What if it's a species that can live a natural lifespan of 1,000, 10,000, 100,000+ years? Or, a civilization that generated AIs that hit the singularity and outlived them? Or a species that shares consciousness and is less inclined to destroy itself - thus outlasting our estimates? Or a species that has cracked time travel? I feel like there are a lots of possibilities that could result in overlap. We tend to base our estimates on the lifespan/trajectoty of our own evolution and civilizations, as I understand it (we don't really have any other data to look at, so it makes sense to start our theories there).
@@wasurera Right, and it may be possible that if humans develop another thousand or ten thousand years of intelligence and non-ELE civilization, mental telepathy becomes the only form of communication and we find that telepathic communication can extend instantly across the universe, making radio communication entirely crude and irrelevant.
Ms. Fran, You are a great communicator, expressing practical, understandable essays on complex facts and mysterious things; plus, you have a very attractive countenance which makes you even more entertaining and fun to watch. Sincere thanks. John Grazier
Actually? Also not a scientist, but, other than telepathy, wouldnt radio seem to be the most practical solution to any civilization's short/medium-distance communication needs? Assuming they have "needs". And if they do, Lightspeed isn't all that clunky, is it? Not for this 3-dimensional cowboy it isn't. Assuming we both share similar 'physics', and a need for simple comm solutions.... Unless they're so "advanced", and/or so wildly different from us (eg don't possess sensory organs, "live" for centuries, and have silicon CPUs for brains), in which case I'm not sure Earthlings really want to "know" them.
Fran, I see you as Jodie Foster from the movie "Contact". Question, if we actually did come in contact with an extraterrestrial civilization and were given the chance to be the first human to make contact, would you do it? 🛸👽🙋🏼♀️
I love the ending you hit it out of the ball park. I know exactly were you were going with this and you nailed. The universe and all we think we know about it is not as it seems. People over simplife what our reality really is. But just look up one night and you will see an infanate universe with infanate possibilities.
Do you know the season and episode numbers? I'm not that familiar with Adam Savage (I know who he is but I'm not an American) so I didn't notice the cameo. Edit: I used IMDB and it was S2E13 - the season finale. I might re-watch it. Cheers.
It's like fish in the open ocean saying, "If there are billions of people in the world where are they all? Sure, some fish may have seen one, but . . . "
Chewbacca appeared on the Muppet show, so the odds of finding alien life in the muppet universe is 100%. The question is what are the odds of finding alien life on our earth.
@@jdsnaps3167 Not too sure if Matter can form in a 4 or more dimension universe, would matter be stable, something worth thinking about though. If matter can form in a 4 or more dimension universe, how would it look with these extra dimensions added. Possibly, the extra dimensions just permit matter to perform obscure actions, like, i.e. the same partial being able to exist in two very different places, at the same time, in that universe, the split photon experiment comes to mind here, would explain this phenomena.
@@Theoobovril I've heard of one hypothesis that our own universe may have as many as thirteen dimensions, possibly even more. This idea was proposed through attempts to come up with a "Unified Field Theory" - a theory able to integrate all the physical phenomena that we detect. Adding the extra dimensions to the maths allowed it to more easily integrate the physics of the very small (QM) with Relativity. edit: I wanted to mention that these extra dimensions were described as super tiny and curled up inside the macro ones we perceive. Anyway, i found it an interesting idea though i don't pretend to understand the mathematics behind it.
If the communicate using quantum entanglement or something we still don't know about that just can't be heard by anyone but the designated listener. Could be that electro magnetic field communication has a very short life span in civilizations. We have only used it for a couple hundred years. One big breakthrough may change how we do things. I really like Frans Idea of some things may bleed through dimensions and could be a detector both ways. Like turning on the porch light, Hey someone's home there lets go check it out.
The Drake equation was originally written on the back of an envelope at a dinner with colleges. It was later picked up for the cover of a convention brochure making it memorable. Keep looking up.
I'm not a scientist, but I've been tirelessly fascinated by science my whole life. I love to hear big picture thinking like this because I feel as if a love of curiosity has been sucked out of the broader scientific community, and cynicism has taken over. Science is supposed to be opposite of that, curiosity drives science. We need more scientists that aren't afraid to ask questions and investigate the unexplained.
That UFO video was really the boost your channel needed. Brought us to you and boosted the algorithm. Glad it wasn't a one hit wonder, quality back catalogue.
@@awesomeferret okay I'm going to stop being polite. You're wrong. Factually wrong. Go look through the entire list of videos before the UFO one's. Find me more than one with 100k views and provide links. You can't, because you're wrong.
I note the WOW signal! But never to be repeated. And I was never convinced the SETI was a viable search mechanism. Fran put into words what I felt was intuitive 25 years ago. Thanks!
I dont think the bulk of the estimate is bad, just the assumption that a super advanced species would rely on radio. It's of course a ballpark guess but I think it can be useful with something as large as our galaxy.
You have to distinguish between resolution, which can be achieved by interferometry and sensitivity which needs a vast collecting area. To achieve very great sensitivity is much more difficult (and expensive) than boosting resolution.
Its a bit like why cant we hear a conversation across a noisy room with the music up loud. Then factor in time and say why cant we hear a conversation held in a full room with music on that happened 40 years ago.
Unless they use a headset! :) Could we hear ultrasonic conversations? Depends what high tech civs use for communication! Remember, we can't go above the sound barrier...
Yes.. we could actually just be a lower life form compared to and possibly a more prevalent life form in this universe. There are some interest in Humans but doenst seem to be enough for them to waste much time collaborating.
@@jamesc2327 actually Earth is well known out there and it’s a bit of a political nightmare. Humanity has no idea what consciousness is therefore they’ve had to take incredible amounts of precaution when operating here.
Well, as best we understand things (which admittedly could be very wrong), our form is a 'result' of our environment. Limited limbs, a central nervous system, sense organs that interact with our environment are inevitable (according to our understanding) If we truly are just an 'evolutionary step' to a higher life form, then there should be other planets that also have life in a similar stage of development.
Fran: Once again another great video. I remember Cosmos very well. You mentioning Jocelyn Bell and the work she did on pulsars shows how well you do your research. Jocelyn Bell got very little credit for her work until some years later
As a technical ham operator I thought about the chances of hearing radios signals would be slim pickings due to the low power of radio signals generated, most radio signals are very narrow bandwidth, many lower frequency transmission is also bounced off the layers of gasses in the earth's atmosphere because of the gasses being ionised, so, most signals stay inside the globe and this would also bounce signals from the outside too, some signal will leak but it will be highly antenuated. You are also correct about the inverse square law, but other factors can change things too such as the layers of gas and space-time can also change the frequency of the signal, when ham operators do analogue EME (earth moon earth) communications they have to receive on a slight offset because of the frequency shift, even when communicating with the ISS there is a frequency shift albeit very small its still there, this would also be a problem sending long distance radio signals from planet system to system especially at the speed both planets are traveling! Fran, you touched on laser light being a way of communicating more efficiently using less power, well not so, its about the same to be honest, inverse square law still applies to light too and laser lights are very powerful but in a very focused area, not much different using a satellite dish antenna for transmission, no real side lobes and nothing transmitted on the back either, hower like a laser, as the distance goes from the source the beam patterns spread out and becomes wider, this is where inverse square law still applies, if sending a signal using open air will also antenuate over distances to the point it is in the cosmic background noise, trying to aim this at a single planet in any system would be problematic as the speed we both are travelling, also the speed of light over the long distance to and from the planet system we aiming it at is no longer in the same location. Now my theory if one day it could be done for long distance transmission, this would have to be done both transmitting and received in space, a way to pulse a large fission reaction to create a "carrier" that is very wideband and powerful enough to pick out of the cosmic background noise, the basic could be used to send what we call CW (carrier wave also known as morse code) however both planets will need to understand what is being sent more so than what is being sent to actually be able to communicate as it would be a different language and I'm sure our alphabet would be totally different too lol
You are very right way too many factors that we have no clue about as to how many alien civilization are out there. How old they are and what they are capable Technologically. We just don't know. If a Sunday preacher or scientist tells you they know for sure then they are lying. In other words keep an open mind. I think that's why I respect you. For all your knowledge you have an open mind.
No. That's the exact same problem as looking for radio - it's based on the presumption that aliens will communicate with bigger, louder versions of something we use right now. It will seem ridiculous in a few years, for the same reasons as our past efforts at looking for radio seem ridiculous now.
@@wasd____ But we can't look for an advanced form of communication if we can not comprehend what that form of communication even is? So looking for light based communication is the best we can do at this time? What do you suggest we should be looking for as a form of communication? I suppose gravitational waves could be an alternative way...
I just watched your “Coping with bullying & abuse” video and I’m kinda stunned. I had no idea and I never would’ve guessed. I hope that you consider that a compliment; I’m saying that you do *not* “look weird” or “off.” You appear exactly as you feel inside 🙂. And I wouldn’t go outta my way to say that if it weren’t true (cuz I’m not super sensitive to that struggle. I’m not mean, but I’m generally just like “do wtvr you want. I don’t care what people do - live and let live.” So I’m also not especially sensitive to people struggling with their identity, nor do I let it affect how I treat them, for better or worse. I guess some people might consider that ‘mean,’ but I hope not to be :-). Anyway, I think you’re lovely and charming ❤️.
As you are talking on here, I feel like I had a dream about this, and yes! I totally agree! Also, lots of people have had contact, but this is a great dialog about sensible reasons that we are not getting connected to other species through radio! Love you!
@Grant Barke Interestingly they had the same idea as Fran though, no extraterrestrials wanted to talk to humans until they developed warp drive and it was detected.
Out of all the star systems within 50 light years of earth... ALL are occupied, 😉 now just wait until you find out the stars are literally MORE alive than you are.
During the age of sailing ships, when sailors were much closer to the water than they are now, reports of lighted objects coming out of and going into the sea were common. Whether this indicates an underwater civilization or just a temporary base, they certainly have easy access to regions of the ocean that we can only dream about.
There is one idea that we live in a 24 dimensional Universe, with 8 major dimensions that are folded together (in half) to give us the 4 common dimensions we all experience (3 space + 1 time). It doesn't really have any evidence except that the math seems to work out, it predicts a few more particles and is consistent with the particles we found already. But it's highly speculative, at best.) I have doubts about everything. But extra dimensions are a possibility. Dimensions are just degrees of freedom, or how something is allowed to move. We've learned a lot about the World, but at the same time we know very little.
Hey, Fran. One question I never see asked when considering the fermi paradox is why should we assume any intelligent life would try to send a radio signal to us? What would give them the goal of shouting at us with radio signals? Would their transmission even reach us? You mention the inverse square law, but do we even know if it is possible to send a radio communication across the distance of a galaxy? How much power would that actually take? Maybe too much? I'm not an engineer, but it seems like there would be a MASSIVE factor of noise interference when traversing that distance. I agree with you that radio seems antiquated to any civilization that has seemingly conquered either gravity or dimensional space somehow. Anyway, cool channel! I like that partscaster btw! Rock on!
The Fermi paradox is actually that the human mind can be simultaneously brilliantly creative and desperately narrow. In a feat of irony, Fermi unknowingly embodied this by making his statement.
" would be an awful waste of space" From the movie contact I'll bet it's one of your favourite movies it is one of mine. The Genius of Carl I find it very refreshing that you are willing to entertain areas that might draw negative attention to you. It seems to be the basis of many fore-thinkers. It would be interesting if you critique the movie contact scientifically. It was just so wonderfully creative
fermi paradox... human (imperialist) thinking also, *they* found *us* btw, what is the power level of a star that we can see with the naked eye? is it in the picowatt or nanowatt range?
Fran I believe you are bang on! Having looked at this is ,what I would perceive as the same conclusion. (BTW: Luv that TI calculator beside you and bet most folks would not even notice it! Best calculator ever!)
Hi Fran Love the t-shirt! Its refreshing to hear you speak of our technological advancements as being quite early out of the starting gate of such exploration and probably so far behind those out there among the stars. The pulsar sounds like an elevated heartbeat. Not sure if that's its actual sound or just the way we decode it, like overlaying spectrum layers of photos from distant galaxies? And wouldn't it be crazy if those pulsar beam recordings contain messages encoded in them and we just don't know how to reveal them? Lastly, if science has taught me one powerful message, its that when science says life can't exist there, we usually find out it does years later as we advance and this is just on our little planet. From micro-organisms in geysers to huge lobster at the bottom of the ocean with no sunlight and the list is long and growing. Keep the imagination flowing Fran!!!
Yep, on the one hand they wonder why people don't trust science, on the other hand they patronize people and dismiss evidence that they cannot explain, it seems distinctly western to refuse to admit when we don't know a thing, we must be masters of all, even the things we don't know
Well said!! We often see ourselves as an "advanced" civilization, but in reality such a view is highly debatable. Humanity is just starting and we are, no doubt, far behind the technological advancements of other civilizations.
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Fran is being open minded about this and that is refreshing.
@@Tony-dp1rl Aliens absolutely exist, but we certainly haven't found any and we have no proof of them visiting. Ideally we will find some at some point because it will give us a second sample point so we can gauge how common life actually is. Currently we have a sample of 1, us!
I've lain on my back on countless camping and astronomical expeditions and thought exactly this while staring at the boundless sky full of potential Suns. We just can't hear them. I love you Fran. Keep on keeping on.
if any non-human, sentient technological civilizations are watching this video....please let us know in the comments section. Gotta be worth a try.
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Earthlings, lay down your puny weapons. Resistance is futile. Take me to your leader.
@@fredsmith5473 our "leaders" have run us into the ground. Help yourselves to anything you'd like
We’re here to to get laid and party. What else is there??
I've been on this exact same line of reasoning for well over a decade now and to hear it in words from another person boggles my mind and sort of comforts me more than I thought. Thanks Fran for sharing your thoughts ❤️
NO amount of your so called "reasoning" will make anything true. Ever.
Fran poking the hornet's nest one more time for good measure :) Go Fran.
I'm here for it. Her account should be for discussing any of her Passions she wants
Galileo kept doing that too.
"Earth turns". Oh, c'mon! Can't be.
When speed is everything and light marks the universe's speed limit, laser pulses of light containing information might be the answer -- if the technology can be made practical for faster communication.
yip yip yip yip, uh huh, uh huh
The "Drake Equation" is incredibly silly. It's a guess times a guess times speculation and guesses etc.
It's allegedly a statistical calculation ENTIRELY based on a sample size of 1.
It's just a way for midwits to entertain themselves, probably while smoking pot.
I love your videos Fran, they get the little grey cells working overtime. With the Drake equation, I think it needs a few more parameters to be taken into account. One is the fact that if you remember that we have only had "radio" for about 120 years, and that radio waves travel at the speed of light, only those advanced civilisations that are within the radius of 120 light-years would be able to receive our transmissions. I have seen it represented on a computer screen that if you put a picture of the milky way on your screen, our 120 year radio bubble would occupy one pixel on the screen. It makes me feel very insignificant when I view it that way.
Another parameter is that civilisations really only advance when there is (usually) ecological pressure to do so. If a planetary system is very stable and has life on it, unless there is pressure it will stay as it is for a very long time unless random evolutionary events (cosmic rays, the odd meteor, etc) force change. I may be wrong but I don't think the Drake equation takes this "evolutionary pressure" into account.
The third item I would add to it is the fact that any advanced civilisation would have to be at the same technological point in its evolution as ours is at the same time. If you think back to the 1970's, digital radio was a pipe dream. Now its everywhere. If an alien civilisation was only 50 years behind ours they would not be able to interpret our digital radio signals with their analog receivers. And if they are more advanced than us, they may have found a more efficient way of encoding their signals that we haven't thought of yet, and maybe that's why we can't hear them.
Keep on doing videos, you are keeping my brain young. Plus greetings from Australia.
Keep the topic of extraterrestrials up! 👽
History will show she was at the forefront of scientific thinking in 2021.
I'm really enjoying seeing you work through all of this. Keep going, there are answers to be had and real scientists like you need to keep asking questions.
When you talk about extraterrestrials , I'm all ears.
Spock reference?
Ferengi
…and when they talk about us, they’re all probes :/
Imagine if aliens landed looked like us but they had enormous buttocks, people would find them amusing they wouldent take them seriously.
@@duality5503 Big butts are taken very seriously
Those "Pulsar sounds" remind me of my childhood family trips driving to the Jersey shore on Rt 72, a concrete slab road with expansion gaps.
Fran, wow! A spectacularly well thought out critical analysis and powerful challenge to the Drake equation along with a potential resolution to the fermi paradox all wrapped up into one concise and rock solid argument. Amazing! And that fission, not radio, serves as our interdimensional beacon and that fission, not radio, is what advertises our presence to our neighbors, whoever or whatever they are, is as profound as it gets. And at the risk of playing Nostradamus here, I will predict that your analysis, particularly with regard to the interdimensional aspect of our technological beacon will be paramount in explaining the apparent growing number of unexplained UAP cases we are seeing around the globe and may also fundamentally change our understanding of physics and perhaps consciousness. And to think I subscribed to your channel for the radio and electronics content (which I love too)---but what a bonus this was. Love what you do and what you are about. So thankful for this content. Thanks, Fran!
Another great, sensible, clear and well-reasoned video! Thanks Fran.
Damn, I love this episode. I will be here for your next UFO document review. This is going to be exciting.
The regular terrestrials are enough trouble. No need for "extra" ones.
Yeah, we worry about alien invasions and all, but I think we do a better job of destruction, though we have a brighter side, if we look deeper. Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes basically said that the proof of intelligent life is that none of it has tried contacting us. Of course, that's not counting all the eye-witness accounts, which can't all be hand-waved away as hallucinations or lies. But now with the Pentagon and this UFO stuff as of late, who knows.... Maybe the "Tin Foil Hats" and conspiracy theorists will be justified, swamp gas and Venus be damned.
Yeah forreal thoo we can't even respect each other another intelligent life would be a problem thats why they stay undercover
Fran is precious. Like her curiosity and excitement and genuine wonder could make me cry
I love that you emphasize the primitiveness of our technology, compared to the technological potential of other civilizations. Perhaps we are the most primitive civilization of all, that's why they don't invite us to their parties.
Ehh I think thats more a parable in humility than a serious concept. There isn't a never ending fountain of new physics, we seem to be reaching the limits of new discoveries. The most advance aliens are maybe 100 to 200 years ahead of us. It's not as if you can bang a couple minerals together and open up a portal to a new dimension.
Sometimes I think humans, though searching for truth,don't really want to know and are willfully ignorant. Radio signals lol. While scientists are searching for signals ,ordinary people are seeing and communicating with the aliens and even getting them on security cam and phone cam photos. Great irony.
Fran, so modest. That video had over 1 Million views ! That’s actually why I subscribed to your channel, I loved it that much.
That was Fran's flavor of sarcasm.
Same!
Ditto
@@ray_mck oh, I know 😃
Yes we have predispositions on what the technology may be AND we have predispositions on what the life may be . In other words our predisposition to be prejudiced is evident even in science . We assume ourselves to be the measure of the universe, when alien and unusual forms of life may be the norm.
Great to see this. Here's my food for thought: The greatest problem in searching for extraterrestrial life is, we can only search for life as we know it. We are trapped in this box of thinking. Example I told my son several years ago; "go to my tool box and find me the tool I need. I don't know what it looks like, what it does, or where in the toolbox it is. Just find it." I think we are struck with the same thing when searching for life in the cosmos. We are limited to thinking life exists only as we know it. We need to think way outside of the box. My conclusion is that life is abundant in the cosmos, just not as we know it. Call it the "Darman hypothesis" lol.
Extraterrestial races with interstellar travel capability do not use technology so primitive as radio waves.
Did you watch the video? She explains this 10 minutes in.
@@4t0m5k What about Von Neumann probes? Autonomous, self replicating deep space probes are only decades away from being technologically possible on this planet. Out of millions of technologically advanced civilisations, at least a few would have developed Von Neumann probes and left their mark across the galaxy over only a few million years at sub-luminal speeds. The *only* explanation of why we have not encountered a Von Neumann probe is that the development of significant computer power is invariably followed by the development of AI. AI is inherently unsafe: misaligned MESA optimisers, specification gaming, reward hacking. Or simply the massive concentrations of power that it could produce. Living beings become powerless in the face of their own technology. But without a conscious being choosing to explore the galaxy, AIs simply work to achieve their dead creators' legacy of short term objectives, destroying all life in the process. Interstellar travel and communication is so time-consuming with near-future technology that it simply isn't a viable strategy for an AI to achieve profit maximisation or any other likely objective.
@@4t0m5k yes I did.
@@jimcrelm9478 mate... the reason the aliens aren’t public (they have a permanent presence here between MANY species), is because humans haven’t figured out what consciousness is... it’s a process.
@@jimcrelm9478 I don't know what you want to argue. Simply pointed out Fran offers a possible explanation on why we are not picking up radio waves of extraterrestrial life. I haven't come across an alien myself, so I'm open to all possibilities *shrugs*
Wow an open minded scientist, how fantastic. We need more of you Fran, well done.
Wow, a close minded non-scientist. Surprise surprise.
Most scientists are open minded. Being skeptical of specio9us claims isn't "close minded".
Its logic.
I would say the vast majority of scientist beleive there must be life elsewhere in the universe.
Ever heard of NASA? They are actively looking for some on Mars as we speak.
Oh and don't forget the JWST.
If “get down to the noise floor” isn’t the greatest disco song title I have never heard then I don’t even know what this is all about.
Get lost in the static !
Rave. It's rave.
@permanent 8track "disco" and "greatest" don't even belong in the same damn text, let alone sentence.
I can almost hear James Brown screaming "Get on down to the noise floor.....I said get on down to the noise floor"" :)
We need more educated discussion like this! I really enjoyed this chat! Thank you
Yes I saw your original video.. I think you took some flack but I thought you were accurate and brave. Greetings from Scotland 🏴
As those who deal in NFT's would say, we got rid of the paperhands.
What about entanglement? Is it not a communication possibility? Moreover, it is independent from the light velocity barrier.
Superb monologue ... Super captivating ...
i think when fran hits a subject she loves it's like an info flow , definitely an amazing way with words
“The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
He also said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
That may be true but the fact remains you still have to produce evidence
@@johndelong5574 why does the prospect of aliens visiting Earth have to be extraordinary? It would not be extraordinary to the aliens. For them it would be as routine is us going around for searching for a new species of caterpillars and whatnot so extraordinary is a relative thing.
My question is why the vastness of time and the miniscule percentage of that we have existed for isn't taken into account - I mean what is the probability that one of those technological civilisations exists at the SAME TIME as ours?
Or, the galaxy is full of life and watching us and has no interest in getting involved with our insanity. When there is so little known as to what is out there both are equally plausible.
In a detectable form? Almost zero.
It is accounted for though; that's part of what the last term in the Drake equation is for! The output number of the equation is an instantaneous one, i.e. the number of civilizations to expect to be around at any one moment in time - not the total amount that have or will ever exist.
What if it's a species that can live a natural lifespan of 1,000, 10,000, 100,000+ years? Or, a civilization that generated AIs that hit the singularity and outlived them? Or a species that shares consciousness and is less inclined to destroy itself - thus outlasting our estimates? Or a species that has cracked time travel? I feel like there are a lots of possibilities that could result in overlap.
We tend to base our estimates on the lifespan/trajectoty of our own evolution and civilizations, as I understand it (we don't really have any other data to look at, so it makes sense to start our theories there).
@@wasurera Right, and it may be possible that if humans develop another thousand or ten thousand years of intelligence and non-ELE civilization, mental telepathy becomes the only form of communication and we find that telepathic communication can extend instantly across the universe, making radio communication entirely crude and irrelevant.
Fran, you are one of the most authentic people I can think of. Truly a joy to engage with. Thank you.
glad you went viral. now i can see you insightful videos.
Ms. Fran, You are a great communicator, expressing practical, understandable essays on complex facts and mysterious things; plus, you have a very attractive countenance which makes you even more entertaining and fun to watch. Sincere thanks. John Grazier
Fran you're such a likable person. I really enjoy watching, listening and learning from you.
Fran Blanche, doesn’t matter what the content of the video she makes is, her and her video deserves a like. Fran! Take my money!
I'm not a scientist but I would assume an advanced "civilization"
WOULD NOT be using radio..
most likely they prefer optical cables for galaxy-to-galaxy chat
Quantum entanglement based comms at least
@@daghtus yep
And morse code? Fuggitaboutit!
Actually? Also not a scientist, but, other than telepathy, wouldnt radio seem to be the most practical solution to any civilization's short/medium-distance communication needs? Assuming they have "needs". And if they do, Lightspeed isn't all that clunky, is it? Not for this 3-dimensional cowboy it isn't.
Assuming we both share similar 'physics', and a need for simple comm solutions.... Unless they're so "advanced", and/or so wildly different from us (eg don't possess sensory organs, "live" for centuries, and have silicon CPUs for brains), in which case I'm not sure Earthlings really want to "know" them.
Wow perfect as always
They can easily be found at one of my family functions. I assure you, most of my in-laws aren't human.
Great talk. Loved the Guided by Voices tee, awesome band.
"And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'Cause it's bugger all down here on Earth" (MP MoL)
I love ya Fran, please keep discussing this topic in whatever capacity interests you, because it is fascinating to so many of us.
Fran, I see you as Jodie Foster from the movie "Contact". Question, if we actually did come in contact with an extraterrestrial civilization and were given the chance to be the first human to make contact, would you do it? 🛸👽🙋🏼♀️
What do you mean by higher dimensions of the Universe?
Just saw this video in my sub box and got super excited. Thank you Fran!!! Buckle up for the storm lmao.
I love the ending you hit it out of the ball park. I know exactly were you were going with this and you nailed. The universe and all we think we know about it is not as it seems. People over simplife what our reality really is. But just look up one night and you will see an infanate universe with infanate possibilities.
The Fermi Paradox was also discussed in "The Expanse", in the episode where Adam Savage had a cameo.
Do you know the season and episode numbers? I'm not that familiar with Adam Savage (I know who he is but I'm not an American) so I didn't notice the cameo.
Edit: I used IMDB and it was S2E13 - the season finale. I might re-watch it. Cheers.
@@Shaun.Stephens season 2 episode 13 "Caliban's War" he is listed as "Mission specialist" on the UNN ship Arboghast
It's like fish in the open ocean saying, "If there are billions of people in the world where are they all? Sure, some fish may have seen one, but . . . "
Spot on Fran.
When a pig falls in love with a frog, it's called the "Kermi Paradox" and it always confused me as a child.
That's what happened to Lady Di.
I’m mad of the bull on U tube give n me a broke friend
That was funny 😆
Chewbacca appeared on the Muppet show, so the odds of finding alien life in the muppet universe is 100%. The question is what are the odds of finding alien life on our earth.
It was a sexy pig, with a strong personality, so yes I undertand your confusion.
The extra dimensions hold all the answers, I say there's no doubt about it.
I wish I could "vacation" in an extra dimension. Or better yet, retire to one when that times comes soon...
@@jdsnaps3167 You could try shifting reality..
/s
Absolutely no doubt in the multiverse or the elements..fire exists in it's own dimension.
@@jdsnaps3167 Not too sure if Matter can form in a 4 or more dimension universe, would matter be stable, something worth thinking about though. If matter can form in a 4 or more dimension universe, how would it look with these extra dimensions added. Possibly, the extra dimensions just permit matter to perform obscure actions, like, i.e. the same partial being able to exist in two very different places, at the same time, in that universe, the split photon experiment comes to mind here, would explain this phenomena.
@@Theoobovril I've heard of one hypothesis that our own universe may have as many as thirteen dimensions, possibly even more.
This idea was proposed through attempts to come up with a "Unified Field Theory" - a theory able to integrate all the physical phenomena that we detect. Adding the extra dimensions to the maths allowed it to more easily integrate the physics of the very small (QM) with Relativity.
edit: I wanted to mention that these extra dimensions were described as super tiny and curled up inside the macro ones we perceive.
Anyway, i found it an interesting idea though i don't pretend to understand the mathematics behind it.
If the communicate using quantum entanglement or something we still don't know about that just can't be heard by anyone but the designated listener. Could be that electro magnetic field communication has a very short life span in civilizations.
We have only used it for a couple hundred years. One big breakthrough may change how we do things.
I really like Frans Idea of some things may bleed through dimensions and could be a detector both ways.
Like turning on the porch light, Hey someone's home there lets go check it out.
Thank you for this awesome, coherent, and totally understandable explanation!
You are one of the most sensible people on RUclips. Keep it up.
Thank you so much. You helped to get my brain started this morning.
The Drake equation was originally written on the back of an envelope at a dinner with colleges. It was later picked up for the cover of a convention brochure making it memorable. Keep looking up.
I really appreciate your logical deductions on this subject. Stay safe and grounded Fran and thank you.
I'm not a scientist, but I've been tirelessly fascinated by science my whole life. I love to hear big picture thinking like this because I feel as if a love of curiosity has been sucked out of the broader scientific community, and cynicism has taken over. Science is supposed to be opposite of that, curiosity drives science. We need more scientists that aren't afraid to ask questions and investigate the unexplained.
That UFO video was really the boost your channel needed. Brought us to you and boosted the algorithm. Glad it wasn't a one hit wonder, quality back catalogue.
@@awesomeferret it's only been 10 hours, give it time. It'll still get a few dozen thousand views.
@@awesomeferret it's more than the channel had before them though, no?
@@awesomeferret okay I'm going to stop being polite. You're wrong. Factually wrong. Go look through the entire list of videos before the UFO one's. Find me more than one with 100k views and provide links. You can't, because you're wrong.
@@awesomeferret 🤣🤣 there's a few, but they're clearly the exception not the rule.
@@awesomeferret there are clearly more views immediately after them than immediately before.
SETI needs to expand their methods
I love the extra-terrestrial/ufo stuff lately, Fran! Very interesting.
I note the WOW signal! But never to be repeated. And I was never convinced the SETI was a viable search mechanism. Fran put into words what I felt was intuitive 25 years ago. Thanks!
My alien friend calls it 'Fermi's folly'.
I dont think the bulk of the estimate is bad, just the assumption that a super advanced species would rely on radio. It's of course a ballpark guess but I think it can be useful with something as large as our galaxy.
You have to distinguish between resolution, which can be achieved by interferometry and sensitivity which needs a vast collecting area. To achieve very great sensitivity is much more difficult (and expensive) than boosting resolution.
Its a bit like why cant we hear a conversation across a noisy room with the music up loud. Then factor in time and say why cant we hear a conversation held in a full room with music on that happened 40 years ago.
Unless they use a headset! :) Could we hear ultrasonic conversations? Depends what high tech civs use for communication! Remember, we can't go above the sound barrier...
“Beam me up Scotty. No sign of intelligent life on this planet.”
Wow this is awesome! How have I not seen this *10 Quadrillion times* on the internet already!
Myself! lol
Fran, "they're right under our noses"..... Robert Bigelow
Wonder if they have a prime directive???????
@@rsprockets7846 Only the benevolent ones.
Indeed they are
@@jim9637 of course they are observing us and guiding out history
Bigelow is a kook.
Is there a way to detect magnetospheres remotely other then visual observation of auroras?
"Than", not "then"... you're obviously intelligent, I don't get why you don't know that.
Have a great day.
@@gatekeeper65 thx! Regardless of what the area of knowledge it is, I am learning every day and only know what I know. I am a work in progress.
It's a human assumption that ET must be like us. What if ET is multi-dimensional and communicates using energy waves we cannot detect?
Yes.. we could actually just be a lower life form compared to and possibly a more prevalent life form in this universe. There are some interest in Humans but doenst seem to be enough for them to waste much time collaborating.
@@jamesc2327 We are the "Ant Farm" of the universe. Interesting to look at from time to time, but nothing worth trying to communicate with.
@@jerrywatson1958 yup ;)
@@jamesc2327 actually Earth is well known out there and it’s a bit of a political nightmare. Humanity has no idea what consciousness is therefore they’ve had to take incredible amounts of precaution when operating here.
Well, as best we understand things (which admittedly could be very wrong), our form is a 'result' of our environment. Limited limbs, a central nervous system, sense organs that interact with our environment are inevitable (according to our understanding)
If we truly are just an 'evolutionary step' to a higher life form, then there should be other planets that also have life in a similar stage of development.
Fran:
Once again another great video. I remember Cosmos very well. You mentioning Jocelyn Bell and the work she did on pulsars shows how
well you do your research. Jocelyn Bell got very little credit for her work
until some years later
Is there life in outer space? Wait, we're in outer space!
You call this LIFE ? Please turn on the nightly news 🍀
As a technical ham operator I thought about the chances of hearing radios signals would be slim pickings due to the low power of radio signals generated, most radio signals are very narrow bandwidth, many lower frequency transmission is also bounced off the layers of gasses in the earth's atmosphere because of the gasses being ionised, so, most signals stay inside the globe and this would also bounce signals from the outside too, some signal will leak but it will be highly antenuated.
You are also correct about the inverse square law, but other factors can change things too such as the layers of gas and space-time can also change the frequency of the signal, when ham operators do analogue EME (earth moon earth) communications they have to receive on a slight offset because of the frequency shift, even when communicating with the ISS there is a frequency shift albeit very small its still there, this would also be a problem sending long distance radio signals from planet system to system especially at the speed both planets are traveling!
Fran, you touched on laser light being a way of communicating more efficiently using less power, well not so, its about the same to be honest, inverse square law still applies to light too and laser lights are very powerful but in a very focused area, not much different using a satellite dish antenna for transmission, no real side lobes and nothing transmitted on the back either, hower like a laser, as the distance goes from the source the beam patterns spread out and becomes wider, this is where inverse square law still applies, if sending a signal using open air will also antenuate over distances to the point it is in the cosmic background noise, trying to aim this at a single planet in any system would be problematic as the speed we both are travelling, also the speed of light over the long distance to and from the planet system we aiming it at is no longer in the same location.
Now my theory if one day it could be done for long distance transmission, this would have to be done both transmitting and received in space, a way to pulse a large fission reaction to create a "carrier" that is very wideband and powerful enough to pick out of the cosmic background noise, the basic could be used to send what we call CW (carrier wave also known as morse code) however both planets will need to understand what is being sent more so than what is being sent to actually be able to communicate as it would be a different language and I'm sure our alphabet would be totally different too lol
My favorite physics techie that I never had ❤️
Hi Fran, its me again. Thought this episode was out of this world. Thanks again Fran. You make my day.
Loving this aspect of your channel, Fran. ✌🏻❤️🇬🇧
You are very right way too many factors that we have no clue about as to how many alien civilization are out there. How old they are and what they are capable Technologically. We just don't know. If a Sunday preacher or scientist tells you they know for sure then they are lying. In other words keep an open mind. I think that's why I respect you. For all your knowledge you have an open mind.
Should be looking more for something like digitally encoded ultra high frequency phase shift light sources as opposed to primitive radio!
No. That's the exact same problem as looking for radio - it's based on the presumption that aliens will communicate with bigger, louder versions of something we use right now. It will seem ridiculous in a few years, for the same reasons as our past efforts at looking for radio seem ridiculous now.
@@wasd____ But we can't look for an advanced form of communication if we can not comprehend what that form of communication even is? So looking for light based communication is the best we can do at this time? What do you suggest we should be looking for as a form of communication? I suppose gravitational waves could be an alternative way...
I just watched your “Coping with bullying & abuse” video and I’m kinda stunned. I had no idea and I never would’ve guessed. I hope that you consider that a compliment; I’m saying that you do *not* “look weird” or “off.” You appear exactly as you feel inside 🙂. And I wouldn’t go outta my way to say that if it weren’t true (cuz I’m not super sensitive to that struggle. I’m not mean, but I’m generally just like “do wtvr you want. I don’t care what people do - live and let live.” So I’m also not especially sensitive to people struggling with their identity, nor do I let it affect how I treat them, for better or worse. I guess some people might consider that ‘mean,’ but I hope not to be :-).
Anyway, I think you’re lovely and charming ❤️.
Well done Fran, for trying to educate your watchers
As you are talking on here, I feel like I had a dream about this, and yes! I totally agree! Also, lots of people have had contact, but this is a great dialog about sensible reasons that we are not getting connected to other species through radio! Love you!
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you Fran.
In a few years I'll be tuning in to watch Fran disassembling a UFO and trying to figure it out.. can't wait!
Love your work fran .
Excellent points. Thanks Fran. Oh and that shirt rocks!
Even in Star Trek they'd stopped using radio waves.
They'd have to. Radio waves would be useless for phoning home when you have FTL travel
@Grant Barke Interestingly they had the same idea as Fran though, no extraterrestrials wanted to talk to humans until they developed warp drive and it was detected.
Came for the GBV shirt, stayed for the science.
There is a advanced civilization in the ocean... that's how little we know.
I always figured it was octopi in the UFO's.
They wanted me to tell you "So long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Out of all the star systems within 50 light years of earth... ALL are occupied, 😉 now just wait until you find out the stars are literally MORE alive than you are.
During the age of sailing ships, when sailors were much closer to the water than they are now, reports of lighted objects coming out of and going into the sea were common. Whether this indicates an underwater civilization or just a temporary base, they certainly have easy access to regions of the ocean that we can only dream about.
Creature from the Earth Lagoon 🌎
I could listen to her talk about this stuff forever. Her ideas are so fresh to me.
Another really good video .. Thanks Fran :)
How many dimensions does science think there are ??
11 but “wE cAnT pRoVe ThEm” 😂...
10 according to String theory and 11 according to Theory M
There is one idea that we live in a 24 dimensional Universe, with 8 major dimensions that are folded together (in half) to give us the 4 common dimensions we all experience (3 space + 1 time). It doesn't really have any evidence except that the math seems to work out, it predicts a few more particles and is consistent with the particles we found already. But it's highly speculative, at best.)
I have doubts about everything.
But extra dimensions are a possibility. Dimensions are just degrees of freedom, or how something is allowed to move. We've learned a lot about the World, but at the same time we know very little.
Hey, Fran. One question I never see asked when considering the fermi paradox is why should we assume any intelligent life would try to send a radio signal to us? What would give them the goal of shouting at us with radio signals? Would their transmission even reach us? You mention the inverse square law, but do we even know if it is possible to send a radio communication across the distance of a galaxy? How much power would that actually take? Maybe too much? I'm not an engineer, but it seems like there would be a MASSIVE factor of noise interference when traversing that distance. I agree with you that radio seems antiquated to any civilization that has seemingly conquered either gravity or dimensional space somehow.
Anyway, cool channel! I like that partscaster btw! Rock on!
The Fermi paradox is actually that the human mind can be simultaneously brilliantly creative and desperately narrow. In a feat of irony, Fermi unknowingly embodied this by making his statement.
" would be an awful waste of space"
From the movie contact
I'll bet it's one of your favourite movies it is one of mine.
The Genius of Carl
I find it very refreshing that you are willing to entertain areas that might draw negative attention to you. It seems to be the basis of many fore-thinkers.
It would be interesting if you critique the movie contact scientifically. It was just so wonderfully creative
fermi paradox... human (imperialist) thinking
also, *they* found *us*
btw, what is the power level of a star that we can see with the naked eye? is it in the picowatt or nanowatt range?
If you claim they have found us, I presume you have evidence for this 🤣
Fran I believe you are bang on! Having looked at this is ,what I would perceive as the same conclusion. (BTW: Luv that TI calculator beside you and bet most folks would not even notice it! Best calculator ever!)
A great presentation Fran. I see that you put a whole lot of thought into this! Thank you.
This is the sort of content that I could never predict, but really appreciate! On you Fran..Keep it up!
"You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Radio (radio)..."
Hi Fran
Love the t-shirt! Its refreshing to hear you speak of our technological advancements as being quite early out of the starting gate of such exploration and probably so far behind those out there among the stars.
The pulsar sounds like an elevated heartbeat. Not sure if that's its actual sound or just the way we decode it, like overlaying spectrum layers of photos from distant galaxies? And wouldn't it be crazy if those pulsar beam recordings contain messages encoded in them and we just don't know how to reveal them?
Lastly, if science has taught me one powerful message, its that when science says life can't exist there, we usually find out it does years later as we advance and this is just on our little planet. From micro-organisms in geysers to huge lobster at the bottom of the ocean with no sunlight and the list is long and growing.
Keep the imagination flowing Fran!!!
Fascinating!
I certainly agree that fishin is a technological signature of all great technological civilizations. Great point Fran
Exactly my thoughts Fran, holy crap . Great video!
What if you both don't know what your are talking\thinking about?
@@EattheApple666 well hopefully one day we'll all find out lol. I'm not too worried about it right now to be honest
The functionality of radio relies on electricity usage.
Aliens found us first. I'll NEVER forgive Academia for dismissing this.
We’ve been giving a bio signal for billions of years. Any advanced civilisation would have detected this already.
@@cc1210 Aliens have visited Earth already
Yep, on the one hand they wonder why people don't trust science, on the other hand they patronize people and dismiss evidence that they cannot explain, it seems distinctly western to refuse to admit when we don't know a thing, we must be masters of all, even the things we don't know
@@cc1210 Totally agree!
Well said!! We often see ourselves as an "advanced" civilization, but in reality such a view is highly debatable. Humanity is just starting and we are, no doubt, far behind the technological advancements of other civilizations.