Wow i can't believe you cracked those out if there the ones you showed yesterday. I garentee you they come back Ms 64. Knowing the way things are going right now maybe even Ms 63😂. Good luck with em dude. Heck I it's your money. Burn it anyway you want.
That looks to be the safest crackout I've seen -- very handy tool you have. Also, those coins look suspiciously like the ones we all advised you not to crack out. LOL. You just can't help yourself can you. One of these days are you going to surprise us with a crossover video, or is that not exciting enough? Cheers!
Best method. Simple and safe. Preferred over using a rotary tool since the substrate is plastic. For those asking about the pliers, I used my Knipex end cutters p/n 6901130 (200mm / 5in overall length).
For newer PCGS, I twist a flathead screwdriver in that outer groove all the way around, which snaps off that outer piece. Then I take a serrated edge blade, and saw a groove into one of the top corners (away from the coin) where the two pieces join, just enough to fit in that flat screwdriver. Then I slowly crank at the driver to separate the pieces. Do that around enough of it, and the two pieces easily separate. I find the older, flatter PCGS cases harder to open. NGC is nice and easy. A few hammer taps on the edges on a hard surface, and the two pieces easily separate.
Thanks for the post showing the crack-out. I am going to crack out an NGC PF69 gold coin tomorrow in order to test it. My first ever slab crack-out! The slab is just slightly too thick to allow a test with a Sigma verifier - and I am a little bit suspicious of the way the label looks. Your nipper looks somewhat like the stained-glass pliars I already have. So that is what I plan to use.
You can buy some grips at the hardware store that will go round those pliers to make it easier on your hands. They're like two bucks, I recommend it cuz it'll be so much easier for you.
Why blow the money on a regrade of a Morgan MS-64? I only now what the rates at PCGS are for the most common collector, but dang the coins are at best, percentage wise, are not that much more money for that 65 grade after paying the fees.
Ben...you didn't show the last part: how do you (very safely) remove the coin, from that (final) ring; as it appeared to be "tightly" sealed on both sides?
I’m sure if I read enough comments, I’ll find where someone else asked you what the exact tool was that you used in this video. (You should have simply stated it very plainly in the video itself.) I have all kinds of different pliers, but I don’t have THOSE. What are they?……
The holders are ultrasonicly welded. They vibrate the two halves so fast the contact points melt and blend together. It only takes a few seconds to do. Thats why pcgs doesnt like putting peeling laminations in holder. That flake can come off when shaken at 100,000 + vibrations per minute. Honestly i watch these wondering not about coins but what it would be like to be able to afford doing the grading game. I know i have stuff that needs it. I need somebody to walk me through some stuff so i can learn certain things i cannot otherwise learn. Id love to know an experienced opinion on what possible steps i can choose to take next.
Question I have a 1904-O Morgan came back from NGC obverse cleaned.The reverse is definitely proof like but the front looks a normal strike. I’ve had coins graded with this type of obverse and they’ve come back MS 66. Is it possible to have a proof like on one side and regular dollar strike on the other? They called it cleaned. Thinking of cracking it out and re-submitting to PCGS.
Zeus1955 - I have a handful of PCGS labels to send in myself. When I get a few more, I will submit them but how many bother? Could really inflate the pop reports.
@Zeus1955 Heritage Auctions is well known for cracking out coins many times. I guess the lesson is that they're going to end up with lots of low-end coins in high-graded slabs..
Anyone that has worked for a coin dealer has done this. The pop numbers are way off and NGC/PCGS know this. I’ve seen 34 out of 100 gold bullion coins go from a PF69 to a PF70 after cracking and regrading. The same day they were 69s they became 70s. A hammer from a hardware store, repackaging, resubmitting made $480 more per coin. It’s sad but true. I spent 3 hours one day cracking out gold eagles of all years/denominations. It was over 1,000 coins. All the labels were trashed. At least with older coins with unique features/wear/toning you can look at the photos and see if it’s the same coin in a different grade. Graded bullion is a game. $20 for a 70 $5 for a 69. That’s what the big dealers pay.
I guarantee you when they slabbed that they did not use gloves . I can only say that with confidence because I have met quite a few graders in my time..
Wow i can't believe you cracked those out if there the ones you showed yesterday. I garentee you they come back Ms 64. Knowing the way things are going right now maybe even Ms 63😂. Good luck with em dude. Heck I it's your money. Burn it anyway you want.
That looks to be the safest crackout I've seen -- very handy tool you have. Also, those coins look suspiciously like the ones we all advised you not to crack out. LOL. You just can't help yourself can you. One of these days are you going to surprise us with a crossover video, or is that not exciting enough? Cheers!
I use "hoof nippers" used by farriers to trim horse hooves-high leverage, easy on the hands and very neat cuts-
Best method. Simple and safe. Preferred over using a rotary tool since the substrate is plastic. For those asking about the pliers, I used my Knipex end cutters p/n 6901130 (200mm / 5in overall length).
For newer PCGS, I twist a flathead screwdriver in that outer groove all the way around, which snaps off that outer piece. Then I take a serrated edge blade, and saw a groove into one of the top corners (away from the coin) where the two pieces join, just enough to fit in that flat screwdriver. Then I slowly crank at the driver to separate the pieces. Do that around enough of it, and the two pieces easily separate. I find the older, flatter PCGS cases harder to open.
NGC is nice and easy. A few hammer taps on the edges on a hard surface, and the two pieces easily separate.
So wish I'd looked for and viewed this BEFORE cracking out the last batch of slabs with a BIG hammer!!!
Thanks for the post showing the crack-out. I am going to crack out an NGC PF69 gold coin tomorrow in order to test it. My first ever slab crack-out! The slab is just slightly too thick to allow a test with a Sigma verifier - and I am a little bit suspicious of the way the label looks. Your nipper looks somewhat like the stained-glass pliars I already have. So that is what I plan to use.
You can buy some grips at the hardware store that will go round those pliers to make it easier on your hands. They're like two bucks, I recommend it cuz it'll be so much easier for you.
"Say hello to my little friend." lol 😆 Your way seems better than others I have seen. 😤😲 I did not have to look away. lol 😱😃
i was going to use a band saw. this looks easy enough with low risk. thanks for sharing
I'm glad you remade this video
Why blow the money on a regrade of a Morgan MS-64? I only now what the rates at PCGS are for the most common collector, but dang the coins are at best, percentage wise, are not that much more money for that 65 grade after paying the fees.
Wow, nice technique!
Thanks for reminding me I need to make a dentist appointment. :(
Just used this method and it worked great. Thanks!
I just use bolt cutters, works well for me.
So obviously, these are resubmit from yesterday's video? Express please, see what happens
Thanks Ben, I will have to get a set of those pliers.
Did you say the male component goes a lot deeper in than it used to?
Thank you very much this was extremely needed
That’s cool where did you get that tool? More safer that’s for sure.👍Thanks
It was good that was the best I've ever seen
I use a Porter band it works so clean and safe
Always wondered how to do that
I like this method much more then the hammer. Looks so much safer.
Thanks for the info! -By the way, that tool is referred to as a pair of nippers. :)
I been contemplating cracking a ms69 2002 half ounce good eagle i got for bullion price and isnt anything special..... still trying to decide.....
Ben...you didn't show the last part: how do you (very safely) remove the coin, from that (final) ring; as it appeared to be "tightly" sealed on both sides?
The ring is actually a pliable soft plastic - it usually comes out with a simple twist with the coin laying flat
Are cases important?
I’m a crackhead. Where can I get my hands on a set of pliers like that ?
I’m sure if I read enough comments, I’ll find where someone else asked you what the exact tool was that you used in this video. (You should have simply stated it very plainly in the video itself.)
I have all kinds of different pliers, but I don’t have THOSE. What are they?……
Did you figure out what they are called by now? Im trying to figure out what this took is but i dont know either
@@dorianjohnson9554 someone in the comments said they are called "tile nippers"
The holders are ultrasonicly welded. They vibrate the two halves so fast the contact points melt and blend together. It only takes a few seconds to do. Thats why pcgs doesnt like putting peeling laminations in holder. That flake can come off when shaken at 100,000 + vibrations per minute.
Honestly i watch these wondering not about coins but what it would be like to be able to afford doing the grading game. I know i have stuff that needs it. I need somebody to walk me through some stuff so i can learn certain things i cannot otherwise learn. Id love to know an experienced opinion on what possible steps i can choose to take next.
Question I have a 1904-O Morgan came back from NGC obverse cleaned.The reverse is definitely proof like but the front looks a normal strike. I’ve had coins graded with this type of obverse and they’ve come back MS 66. Is it possible to have a proof like on one side and regular dollar strike on the other? They called it cleaned. Thinking of cracking it out and re-submitting to PCGS.
Yes you can have a proof like look on one side. Crack outs are not for the faint of heart- but hey- it only takes money!
Thank You .. do you think PCGS will be just as critical if not more? I know it’s a gamble. Now it’s all about curiosity.
That looks like a tile snip they use to snip away at ceramic floor tiles looks like your method is a much safer way to remove a coin from a slab
thats exactly what it is
Ben, do you send the cracked out labels back to NGC and PCGS so they can adjust their population numbers?
Zeus1955 - I have a handful of PCGS labels to send in myself. When I get a few more, I will submit them but how many bother? Could really inflate the pop reports.
The Pop reports would have to misrepresented higher. I wonder what %?
@Zeus1955 Heritage Auctions is well known for cracking out coins many times. I guess the lesson is that they're going to end up with lots of low-end coins in high-graded slabs..
I do not send labels in. Yes the pop reports are not 100% accurate, but in most cases the pop doesn't really matter.
Zeus1955 It’s actually in the hundreds of thousands per year !!! I should know, as a reformed crackhead. 🤔😲😉🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Thank you.
Thank you Ben
Excellent!
Thank you
Nice 👍👍👍👍
That coin would sure brighten up after a dip. But, then there's the possibility of ..?
I used a pvc pipe cutter.
It will come back Questionable Color. 🤪
I almost feel like going to the dentist
latest generation PCGS holder is. . . *Thicc*
Why would you want to break it open?
Why don't they just make cases that you don't have to destroy to remove?
Anyone that has worked for a coin dealer has done this. The pop numbers are way off and NGC/PCGS know this. I’ve seen 34 out of 100 gold bullion coins go from a PF69 to a PF70 after cracking and regrading. The same day they were 69s they became 70s. A hammer from a hardware store, repackaging, resubmitting made $480 more per coin. It’s sad but true. I spent 3 hours one day cracking out gold eagles of all years/denominations. It was over 1,000 coins. All the labels were trashed. At least with older coins with unique features/wear/toning you can look at the photos and see if it’s the same coin in a different grade. Graded bullion is a game. $20 for a 70 $5 for a 69. That’s what the big dealers pay.
You so brutal Ben.... lol
Joe Shmoe as many as I like.
Master Of Cents. 🤔😲🤨😁🤣😂🤣
But why???
I guarantee you when they slabbed that they did not use gloves . I can only say that with confidence because I have met quite a few graders in my time..
What’s your point?
z32luvr my point is they don’t use gloves.. lol . I thought that was pretty clear..
Why would u want to do this to a graded coin?
Why would you want to do this??
why not finish the job in the video ???
I'd just run it through a band saw, probably marginally quicker and without the mess.
Just like shucking an oyster.
Bandsaw.
I would just simply put it in my hands twist it and they pop right open..
Joe Shmoe it’s really easy..