Mikey Powell was a kind human, too. With my nephew on the field at Gtown, long after a game. He was so kind, got down on one knee to talk to the little guy. Asked my nephew about this n that. Super guy. Thanks Mike Powell 25 years later.
How can you leave Kyle Harrison out of this list???? He literally ran the entire field from face off (there was not get off for him), to offense and defense.
Gary Gait, John Grant Jr., Mikey Powell, Lyle Thompson, Jim Brown (although I never saw him play, seeing what he did on the football field, I can not imagine it was possible to stop him on a lacrosse field).
For me it is Gait or Jr. but I tend to pick Jr. I saw him at the 2010 World cup. In the final the US longpoles took turns in face guarding him and he still scored the most goals and the most assists.
Lyle is a great player, but he has not changed the game anywhere near as much as the Gait brothers (and Marachuk) did. Bobby Orr is the greatest defenseman of all time because he changed the game. Paul Coffee is also a great defenseman, but Orr really did the things Coffee did first. Thompson is like Pau Coffee to Gary Gait's Bobby Orr.
Great Video. As a man that played against ex NHLs guys like Bellows, Nieuendyk, Robatile . I watched Willie Plett who still holds many records or Adam Oates. I also had the privilege as a peewee to be Bob Proberts teammates. In 1974 or 75 this kid from Brantford came to Windsor,Ontario, he played a lacrosse game and then flew him out to Ste.Saint Marie to pitch in a baseball game. My father asked who is this kid that is so special. His name was Wayne Gretzky. Many special people played LAX.. You made a great video for great discussion. Having watched the Gates Brothers play full time, I've always wondered what some of the greatest athletes would of done playing lacrosse full time. Jim Brown blows my mind away.
When I was in the U.S. Military Liaison Mission I served with an Air Force captain that went to Cornell. He actually played against Jim Brown in lacrosse, and his memory of that game was "I spent more time looking up at the sky than playing lacrosse Jim hit me so hard! "
Fantastic list. For me Gary Gait is the greatest. I always wonder how legendary Mike Powell could have been if he played lacrosse for many years. Rabil's contribution off the field is legendary now and moving forward....
John Grant Junior for me. He dominated both field lacrosse and box lacrosse. I feel like to be the GOAT you have to have dominated in both he did that and for an extended length of time. He blended skill with size and lacrosse IQ like no one else.
lets just agree that upstate NY/canada is where the most talent comes from. its a part of life there. i grew up around Syracuse and was introduced to the game at a very young age.
Casey all day… 1st team attack and midfield, played pro into his 40’s…. Made the all star team his final season…. But I can’t argue with the JG jr. crowd, I get it.
I've watched JG Jr. indoors and box - he was dominant in both. Hard not to consider him the GOAT especially considering it was obvious what he wanted to do, and defenses couldn't stop him.
I've seen mike powell play (Music) and talked to him after the show got him to sign a poster and tried to talk to him about lax as that's the main reason I wanted to see him and it seemed to me like he didn't really want to talk about lacrosse and mostly about the show but that's just what I noticed
I would have to agree on grant the guy was an absolute magician with a stick I saw him score some of the greatest goals I've ever seen with his back to the goal from between his legs just an unbelievable player.
Loyola was on the map for along time before spencer, you must be young, They plaid in the national championship in 1990, Prolay been in the top ten almost every since.
This appears to be a NCAA GOAT list. Frank Urso , Doug Radebaugh and Mike French at least deserved a mention. On an international level , how about John Tavares, John Grant, John Butkiewicz, Pete Cann, Brian Griffen and Micheal Raggatt. Most of these players didn’t see plastic sticks until 1974!
A very good video overall. Great picks with the exception of leaving off Eamon McEneaney. You make a good case for John Grant. To me it’s probably Gary Gait. He was such a prolific scorer and played midfield. His defensive play was really good too. I don’t like Rabil. I think he ruined the sport with the PLL. I hate the small field and shot clock. Bring back the slow clear, use of the box, stall warnings etc. just my rant… Thank you
There is a right answer to this question. Basically, the players over 50 years of age who played the game with a WOODEN STICK. If you want to choose a GOAT, it has to be a player who played BOTH offense and defense. Field lacrosse and any current box lacrosse have players playing either offense or defense. You can't choose the GOAT player based solely on offensive skills or defensive skills. If I had to choose between a John Grant Jr. and a Paul Evans, I'd take Paul Evans hands down. Paul Evans ran back to play defence. John Grant Jr, ran off. Paul Evans whacked and hacked with a wooden stick. Today's sticks just break with the slightest cross-check. This list is really lame. Its probably safe to assume that most people commenting here have never seen a game prior to 1990.
well if we go back to the 70s, nobody messed with paul suggate. but if the nhl was so afraid of losing players to the nll, what rick dudley did in a half season with the rochester griffins might still be the best season ever.
What about Tillman Johnson? His performance in the University of Virginia championship in 2003 was probably one of the greatest lacrosse performances in history.
ten months late to the party but even before his recent 3rd MVP win, Tom Schieber should've deserved some consideration. I struggle to think that Brown or Spencer should be on the last as they did not play pro. The same case could be make for Mike Powell as he barely had a pro career. They are all in the discussion for greatest college player ever. Players like John Grant Jr, Brendan Mundolf, or Stephen Berger have shown that going to a top school means nothing once you hit the pros. Grant is definitely the toughest guard one on one in the history of the game. He's got too many releases and is overwhelmingly strong. CRazy high peak in the MLL around 07-08. Rabil's numbers in the pros are astounding but he was one of the only players at the time who was able to commit to the game in the way he did. Of course his numbers are crazy. If others in his prime era like Ned Crotty, Matt Danowski or Kyle Dixon were able to just focus on lacrosse they likely would've put up similar numbers. No Kyle Harrison? The last true do it all midfielder? You could argue that Trevor Baptiste or Greg Gurenlian made more of an impact on their team's season when they won their pro MVPs. There is a voice in my head saying that you can't call them the best ever when they play specialized positions but to make that argument essentially cuts out goalies as well.
Mike Powell is my GOAT, and Rabil did more for the sport than anybody else. You could argue that Lyle Thompson is the GOAT given his stats, and also that he was not surrounded by the deepest bench of top talent, whereas some of the others mentioned here were. When Mikey won his last title (I believe it was), he only had 1 goal and 5 assists which for him was a bad game, but he said (paraphrased) "I didn't have the best game, but I'm lucky to be on the best team in the country." U Albany wasn't a perennial tournament team and didn't have the recruiting/draw of other schools for top players in the country. So, while Mikey is my GOAT given my age, I think Lyle could be.
Must really hate Maryland because you seem to have amnesia aboutFrank Urso. 4x First team All Smerican . 4x finals For national championship with 2 X victory.
John grant jr is the goat, he dominated at every style of the game getting indoor and outdoor championships with both nation and club. No one else is close to him
Gary Gait is the GOAT! He changed the game. John Grant Jr. is #2. They dominated both on the field and in the box. Guys like Mikey Powell and Paul Rabil didn't play box. To be considered the GOAT, I think you have to dominate in college, the pros (both field and box) and international lacrosse to be the GOAT. Talk to me about Lyle Thompson after he retires. You might be able to make an argument then.
rabil played in the nll for a number of seasons. when chris hall coached him and defined his role, a serious nll baller - scoops, transition & goals. comes to philly with a piss poor coaching staff and he too often found himself stuck along the boards. you can't alley dodge indoors.
I think it’s between Lyle Thompson & John Grant Jr. cuz none of the other players on the list besides Gary Gait had the creativity and stick skills that those 2 have.
Gonna be a hot take but senior year jared bernhardt was beyond unguardable. More athletic than everyone listed. Damn shame that him and Pat are playing other pro sports.
You beat me to it. He didn’t play as a freshman in those days (weren’t allowed) and his stats still hold up to guys that played all four years. If you’re gonna put Jim Brown on this list Eamon must be on it too.
imagine being the goat of lacrosse :D looks oddly fun and extremely stupid at the same time. Thinking it through i dont actually see how it can possibly be fun in the long run. I have never tried it though. dont hate the player D:
So you only care about goals? Brodie Merrill only makes the mentions. Zero goalies, no Fogos and no Kyle Harrison but including Mikey and Spencer who both turned away from lax is a crime.... i say this thinking C Powell/John Grant Jr is the correct decision, but the GOAT isn't just a goals scored stat war.
Jack Turbull. You literally name him - the award one of the Powell’s won 4 times is named after him - but somehow he does not make the list. Also, love him or hate him - he has to be contextualied for sure - William George Beers should have at least gotten a mention. And then there’s Oren Lyons. There was lacrosse before the 1950s. And defense matters. Come on, go on a limb, put a defender or two (in addition to the goalie Lyons) in the mix. Dig deeper.
Jimmy Lewis - led the Navy frosh team over their varsity in a fall scrimmage. Right after the varsity had won the Ntl Championship! Led Navy to more Champs. Incredible career.
Mikey Powell was a kind human, too. With my nephew on the field at Gtown, long after a game. He was so kind, got down on one knee to talk to the little guy. Asked my nephew about this n that. Super guy. Thanks Mike Powell 25 years later.
How can you leave Kyle Harrison out of this list???? He literally ran the entire field from face off (there was not get off for him), to offense and defense.
bro anyone can do that
that's what i'm saying he was a legitimate iron man
I say it is Lyle because he embraces the game unlike other players which makes his techniques unique
i mean just cause he takes the game in unlike any other doesn’t mean he’s the best
@@realskon thank you 🙏
Gary Gait, John Grant Jr., Mikey Powell, Lyle Thompson, Jim Brown (although I never saw him play, seeing what he did on the football field, I can not imagine it was possible to stop him on a lacrosse field).
Gary Gait, Grant Jr, John Tavares for me
For me it is Gait or Jr. but I tend to pick Jr.
I saw him at the 2010 World cup. In the final the US longpoles took turns in face guarding him and he still scored the most goals and the most assists.
Notice the SU lacrosse legacy? Also, I've met guys who played with Jim Brown. They STILL say he was the greatest.
I just wanted to see Mikey Powell highlights
Lyle has to be the goat. He has literally changed the game around his style and keeps changing it every single game.
Lyle is a great player, but he has not changed the game anywhere near as much as the Gait brothers (and Marachuk) did. Bobby Orr is the greatest defenseman of all time because he changed the game. Paul Coffee is also a great defenseman, but Orr really did the things Coffee did first. Thompson is like Pau Coffee to Gary Gait's Bobby Orr.
Lyle has changed the game the most but is not the goat
His stick skills are garbage compared to gait..not even close.
It is absolutely criminal that John Tavares isn't on this list!
Let's just say is that he's mostly focusing on you field lacrosse not box Lacrosse but Johnny Tavares should have been at least on this list.
this list is for kiddy lacrosse not real men lacrosse
As a leafs fan, this confused me.
@@Kiwi-lz6yr
Not hard to confuse a Leafs fan!😂
GO HABS GO!
As an islanders fan, it hurts to see that name even if it’s not the same person
Great Video. As a man that played against ex NHLs guys like Bellows, Nieuendyk, Robatile . I watched Willie Plett who still holds many records or Adam Oates. I also had the privilege as a peewee to be Bob Proberts teammates.
In 1974 or 75 this kid from Brantford came to Windsor,Ontario, he played a lacrosse game and then flew him out to Ste.Saint Marie to pitch in a baseball game. My father asked who is this kid that is so special. His name was Wayne Gretzky.
Many special people played LAX..
You made a great video for great discussion. Having watched the Gates Brothers play full time, I've always wondered what some of the greatest athletes would of done playing lacrosse full time. Jim Brown blows my mind away.
easy air hockey vs hard on the ground ice hockey? im so confused, so people play this game full time and make millions?
It would be awesome if you could make a video with the best ever at each position. Great videos btw!
When I was in the U.S. Military Liaison Mission I served with an Air Force captain that went to Cornell. He actually played against Jim Brown in lacrosse, and his memory of that game was "I spent more time looking up at the sky than playing lacrosse Jim hit me so hard! "
not to nitpick but the Cuse player on 4:19 isn't Mikey Powell it's Jojo Marasco
Most Skilled...Tom Maracek. Player I would build a Team Around... Matt Abbott.
hollywood had the best OTS/BTB becuase it had it all - speed, power, spin, & surprise.
Took the words out of my mouth John grant was just so dominant for all his pro career. He still prob can sling it till this day
I’ve been playing for a month now so Im a beginner lax player and your channel is so fun to watch its insane how helpful these vids are!
ìs it fun or does it get old fast?
Fantastic list. For me Gary Gait is the greatest. I always wonder how legendary Mike Powell could have been if he played lacrosse for many years. Rabil's contribution off the field is legendary now and moving forward....
John Grant Junior for me. He dominated both field lacrosse and box lacrosse. I feel like to be the GOAT you have to have dominated in both he did that and for an extended length of time. He blended skill with size and lacrosse IQ like no one else.
ya thats why the powells are not in contention
Eamon McEnemy( sp?); Jimmy Lewis
We have to mention the defensive side too,Kyle Hartzell,Brian Spallina,Brodie Merril,Mike Manley.The list goes on
I agree with Junior being the goat. Brodie Merrill deserves to be on this list as well.
lets just agree that upstate NY/canada is where the most talent comes from. its a part of life there. i grew up around Syracuse and was introduced to the game at a very young age.
You really gonna leave out STRONG ISLAND???Cmon son…
@@6MMDirectActionWargame syracuse is a very sheltered city. NYC isn't even a real place if you grew up in syracuse.
Upstate, a way of life, Yes.
Long Island, same.
Baltimore, same (I've seen tiny sticks in cribs).
Jim Brown is the greatest LaCrosse player of all time...by far
Here Here! Absolutely.
Casey all day… 1st team attack and midfield, played pro into his 40’s…. Made the all star team his final season…. But I can’t argue with the JG jr. crowd, I get it.
I've watched JG Jr. indoors and box - he was dominant in both. Hard not to consider him the GOAT especially considering it was obvious what he wanted to do, and defenses couldn't stop him.
You would think the guy the PLL named their MVP trophy after would get some love but when 20 year olds make these lists… ho hum… #JIMBROWN
My answer for now is Mike Powell - he just dominated. That said in 5-10 years it will most likely be switched to Brennan O'Neill
Gotta be- Lyle Thompson. Plays the game like the Creator intended.
very lucky to have a signed helmet and head from paul sitting next to me as i write this
I can’t remember if you have already made this video or not, but I would love to see a video similar to this one on the Tompson’s
You should rank top 10 collegiate programs since it became an official NCAA sport in 1971
I've seen mike powell play (Music) and talked to him after the show got him to sign a poster and tried to talk to him about lax as that's the main reason I wanted to see him and it seemed to me like he didn't really want to talk about lacrosse and mostly about the show but that's just what I noticed
I would have to agree on grant the guy was an absolute magician with a stick I saw him score some of the greatest goals I've ever seen with his back to the goal from between his legs just an unbelievable player.
Pat Spencer is the real GOAT. He put Loyola Maryland on the map, and made everyone around him better.
Loyola was on the map for along time before spencer, you must be young, They plaid in the national championship in 1990, Prolay been in the top ten almost every since.
Shut up.. he only.played college
I would like to see a defender or goalie on the list. What about Tucker Durkin or Trever Baptiste.
Amen
Common you can’t make me pick between Paul Rabil and Thompson. I love them both
GREAT LIST! But, I’m going with Lyle Thompson
its either lyle or john grant jr. without a doubt
Where is John Tavares?
Got to add in Doug Knight. He’s kind of the link between the Gait’s in the 80s/early 90s and the Powell’s in the late 90s/early 00s
Watson, Knight and McKnight.... greatest attack ever
There is a photo of Jim Brown at SU, running down the field with wooden sticks shattering against his legs
I haven't seen the video yet, but I'm taking a guess. Rabil, Gait, Thompson, Powell, Harrison, Rambo
Ughhh... I was at the game where Grant Junior dismantled my lizards in that video. He was unstoppable.
Jim Brown? Was amazing.
should do a top 5 club lacrosse teams, ion know seems like a fun video
Ned Crotty
This appears to be a NCAA GOAT list. Frank Urso , Doug Radebaugh and Mike French at least deserved a mention. On an international level , how about John Tavares, John Grant, John Butkiewicz, Pete Cann, Brian Griffen and Micheal Raggatt. Most of these players didn’t see plastic sticks until 1974!
My dad is friends with mike Powell. My dad played against him in high school. And my stepfather played against Ryan and casy
frank urso,eamon mceneaney.urso4x 1st team all america first lax player on cover of sports illustrated
I love this youtube channel plz keep uploading. You should watch live lax games on youtube channel.
315 on top
It’s between Gary John and Casey
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada..... and then, your town.
What about best defenders of all time?
:D
brennan o’neil will be in this discussion at the end of his career. maybe one of the best college lacrosse players ever already
A very good video overall. Great picks with the exception of leaving off Eamon McEneaney.
You make a good case for John Grant. To me it’s probably Gary Gait. He was such a prolific scorer and played midfield. His defensive play was really good too.
I don’t like Rabil. I think he ruined the sport with the PLL. I hate the small field and shot clock.
Bring back the slow clear, use of the box, stall warnings etc. just my rant… Thank you
There is a right answer to this question. Basically, the players over 50 years of age who played the game with a WOODEN STICK. If you want to choose a GOAT, it has to be a player who played BOTH offense and defense. Field lacrosse and any current box lacrosse have players playing either offense or defense. You can't choose the GOAT player based solely on offensive skills or defensive skills. If I had to choose between a John Grant Jr. and a Paul Evans, I'd take Paul Evans hands down. Paul Evans ran back to play defence. John Grant Jr, ran off. Paul Evans whacked and hacked with a wooden stick. Today's sticks just break with the slightest cross-check. This list is really lame. Its probably safe to assume that most people commenting here have never seen a game prior to 1990.
well if we go back to the 70s, nobody messed with paul suggate. but if the nhl was so afraid of losing players to the nll, what rick dudley did in a half season with the rochester griffins might still be the best season ever.
No defenders on your list or goalies ? 🤔
What about Tillman Johnson? His performance in the University of Virginia championship in 2003 was probably one of the greatest lacrosse performances in history.
ten months late to the party but even before his recent 3rd MVP win, Tom Schieber should've deserved some consideration.
I struggle to think that Brown or Spencer should be on the last as they did not play pro. The same case could be make for Mike Powell as he barely had a pro career. They are all in the discussion for greatest college player ever. Players like John Grant Jr, Brendan Mundolf, or Stephen Berger have shown that going to a top school means nothing once you hit the pros.
Grant is definitely the toughest guard one on one in the history of the game. He's got too many releases and is overwhelmingly strong. CRazy high peak in the MLL around 07-08.
Rabil's numbers in the pros are astounding but he was one of the only players at the time who was able to commit to the game in the way he did. Of course his numbers are crazy. If others in his prime era like Ned Crotty, Matt Danowski or Kyle Dixon were able to just focus on lacrosse they likely would've put up similar numbers.
No Kyle Harrison? The last true do it all midfielder?
You could argue that Trevor Baptiste or Greg Gurenlian made more of an impact on their team's season when they won their pro MVPs. There is a voice in my head saying that you can't call them the best ever when they play specialized positions but to make that argument essentially cuts out goalies as well.
Mike Powell is my GOAT, and Rabil did more for the sport than anybody else. You could argue that Lyle Thompson is the GOAT given his stats, and also that he was not surrounded by the deepest bench of top talent, whereas some of the others mentioned here were. When Mikey won his last title (I believe it was), he only had 1 goal and 5 assists which for him was a bad game, but he said (paraphrased) "I didn't have the best game, but I'm lucky to be on the best team in the country." U Albany wasn't a perennial tournament team and didn't have the recruiting/draw of other schools for top players in the country. So, while Mikey is my GOAT given my age, I think Lyle could be.
I’m with Lyle the lax superhero.
how many of the mikey powell highlights were mikey powell?
John Tavares?!
Agreed 💯, John Grant Jr.
You obviously never heard of Ron Hill, Ron Doctor, Greg Tarbell, John Engelken and others who played at the same high school as the Thompson brothers.
LYLE T!
SO MUCH TO ADD ONTO AN ALREADY GOAT CAREER.
No order: Pat Spencer, Lyle Thompson, Mikey Powell.
Must really hate Maryland because you seem to have amnesia aboutFrank Urso. 4x First team All Smerican . 4x finals For national championship with 2 X victory.
John grant jr is the goat, he dominated at every style of the game getting indoor and outdoor championships with both nation and club. No one else is close to him
Yup jr is the best people who don’t agree are on crack
love ur vids
Please do box lacrosse next add colin doyle best box player in my opinion and the best coach
name me a better clutch player in the history of the MILL/NLL than doyle.
Gate for sure
Gary Gait is the GOAT! He changed the game. John Grant Jr. is #2. They dominated both on the field and in the box. Guys like Mikey Powell and Paul Rabil didn't play box. To be considered the GOAT, I think you have to dominate in college, the pros (both field and box) and international lacrosse to be the GOAT. Talk to me about Lyle Thompson after he retires. You might be able to make an argument then.
rabil played in the nll for a number of seasons. when chris hall coached him and defined his role, a serious nll baller - scoops, transition & goals. comes to philly with a piss poor coaching staff and he too often found himself stuck along the boards. you can't alley dodge indoors.
Jim Brown...
Mikey is my goat even if he is not theee goat
kyle harrison
I think it’s between Lyle Thompson & John Grant Jr. cuz none of the other players on the list besides Gary Gait had the creativity and stick skills that those 2 have.
John Tavares
what about Jared Bernheart? :( Atleast an honorable mention.
Paul is probably the most famous but Lyle is the coolest😎
Great video but to leave off Kyle Harrison is a disservice. Not a single goalie? No utility players? Might have to make more list.
I think Lyle Thompson.
Gonna be a hot take but senior year jared bernhardt was beyond unguardable. More athletic than everyone listed. Damn shame that him and Pat are playing other pro sports.
Jimmy Lewis?
Where’s Jared Bernhardt?
You can't have this conversation without mentioning Eamon McEneaney.
You beat me to it.
He didn’t play as a freshman in those days (weren’t allowed) and his stats still hold up to guys that played all four years.
If you’re gonna put Jim Brown on this list Eamon must be on it too.
john tavares joined the chat
John Grant Jr always has my vote - way too much skill for a big man
junos...has monster skills....there really is no college video footage of him?
Kyle Harrison
You do realize that they’re behind the back was like Casey go to move do you watch Casey play lacrosse and I was like half his goals
CP spent a summer icanada playing junior box with the toronto beaches. ryan powell was the powell that physivcal and was a playoff performer.
imagine being the goat of lacrosse :D looks oddly fun and extremely stupid at the same time. Thinking it through i dont actually see how it can possibly be fun in the long run. I have never tried it though. dont hate the player D:
Lyle Thompson. NEXT
Mike French and Eamon McEneaney
People forget about Grant I think.
So you only care about goals? Brodie Merrill only makes the mentions. Zero goalies, no Fogos and no Kyle Harrison but including Mikey and Spencer who both turned away from lax is a crime.... i say this thinking C Powell/John Grant Jr is the correct decision, but the GOAT isn't just a goals scored stat war.
LOL. is it also about how many yards they run with the ball in their pocket? :D
@@1904Ernst no, my point was it's not just about stats.
Hmm goals win games lol
@@ivi122 uh, so does preventing goals?
lists like these are always way too offense heavy. it's nauseating.
@@Sajidov3 I guess you do have a point. Goalies are also important in winning games
mikey powell hands down
Jack Turbull. You literally name him - the award one of the Powell’s won 4 times is named after him - but somehow he does not make the list.
Also, love him or hate him - he has to be contextualied for sure - William George Beers should have at least gotten a mention.
And then there’s Oren Lyons.
There was lacrosse before the 1950s.
And defense matters. Come on, go on a limb, put a defender or two (in addition to the goalie Lyons) in the mix.
Dig deeper.
Jimmy Lewis - led the Navy frosh team over their varsity in a fall scrimmage. Right after the varsity had won the Ntl Championship! Led Navy to more Champs. Incredible career.
No defensemen or goalies?
none of the Mike Powell highlights were of Mike Powell 😆
Jim Brown. Next question.