I remember working on 50's at Saltley from 1981, the internal filtration system was indeed anything but, the equipment room was always filthy and this is where the main generator free end was located, the commutator would have been plastered in muck hence the regular flash overs. Also the way these locomotives were driven (Shutting off power) left a lot to be desired, we were taught to shut it down to the on position and begin to brake, after a period of say 15 seconds the amps would have died down enough to allow minimal load and current on the generator to be dispersed. Unfortunately many Western and Southern drivers did not like the class so drove them shockingly. (Prefuring 1000's or class 33's, The cost of which were main generator flash overs and traction motors too, a costly and time consuming repair. Had BR refurbished them with alternators fitted, a lot of the issues would have been sorted, but alas the costs of such were prohibitive so it never came to fruition,. The freight concept was ditched due to costs of refitting sanders (removed upon refurbishment) shame really as they were a great locomotive in nearly every way. A warm, comfortable, quiet driving environment and great performance. Scrapped far too soon I feel and had Chris Green had his way moved onto Intercity Cross Country services. 🤔
Hi, On the Reverser handle the "EO" position stands for "ENGINE ONLY" This is the position the handle must be in to start the engine(s) and where all auxiliary equipment is working, such as the exhausters, compressors and other train equipment, but the traction circuits will not work. It also locks off the master controller handle preventing movement. If you move the reverser to the off position everything is switched out except the engine will continue to run if it was running before.
Ah the Class 50. My first diesel love. Remember my times driving it on Microsoft Train Sim on Settle-Carlisle. Was disappointed that it didn't come with any scenarios for the S-C
Wow, what an iconic engine! Among the grand old guard of CoCo diesel express engines, like the Deltic or the SNCF CC72000. With so many in preservation, I hope I get to see one in real life. Thanks for the video!
+William Mankelow Sadly I don't remember them, but I do remember seeing loco hauled trains in the Bristol area in the early 1990s. I can't remember what locos they were though. I'm yet to decide what the next train guide will be :)
This is the first train guide of your that I've seen, and it was very informative, like all of your other videos! I will have to watch more of this series.
Good comment about the Ammeter Peter (no rhyme intended).....yes in reality if you thrash these locos too quickly, you would cause overload in the motors, just like the AC Locos which are simulated spot on.....great vid mate :D
I've read several driver opinions who worked the waterloo to Exeter line and they really disliked the 47s, apparantly 50s were far superior and you are half right about why they were withdrawn. yes they had problems but that is because they were been run into the ground, BR wanted rid so maintenance was kept to a minimum. look on you tube and see the state of them in their last days, ironically a bit like the westerns in the 70s, plenty of years life left but not wanted
+PTGRail It must be that steep, as Southern Railway 'Z' class 0-8-0 tank locomotives used to bank trains up there until 1962 when Panniers took over, apparently second steepest after Lickey, but that's longer!. I'm sure it's as steep on the Riviera Line version, even though there's no scenery on it, but I honestly don't know haha! :)
great vid, full of information as usual have to say the class 50 my favourite loco cant beat the sound of that 16 cylinder engine. for folk in the south of England the watercress line in Hampshire Alton has a working example to see and ride behind 5027 lion always a good day out
What situation would call for use of the Loco Brake? Is is just when running the Loco only with nothing else connected? If so, why would the main brake not suffice in that situation? Oh, excellent Video, as usual.
+Daniel Gregory (EpicDavinci) As far as I know, it's only used when as you say its running light engine. The main brake is connected to the entire train so I think it would only work when connected.
+Daniel Gregory (EpicDavinci) The loco brake can be useful when you require minimal brake force to control your speed. For example on some downhill gradients if you use the train brake it is often too much brake force and slows you down too quickly, but if you use the loco brake you can control the speed a lot better. Though it shouldn't be used too much to prevent too much wear on the brake shoes.
Great video as always. I have a question, I've been trying to make my own scenario on the London-Brighton route, or any route for that matter. I'm wondering is there a specific place you get the real life timetables from. I'm from Canada so I don't know the ins and outs of the UK routes. I've found sites that give me the timetables of the route but no platform numbers. It's quite easy for the smaller stations with only two tracks but for the bigger stations how do you know what platform is correct. As well as the service number for each train? That'd be a huge help for me. Thanks.
+Joel Stevens Check out Real Time Trains www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced it gives you all the info of platform numbers, route taken and service number as well.
+DarranKent I currently use Bandicam for video capture as it's less taxing on my system than the alternatives while maintaining a good standard of quality :)
The 50 in Train Sim is very poorly simulated, it will only reaches 1738 amps on full power, which is well within the safe limits of the generator. 2600 amps is about where you want to start getting worried on the real thing. Also, in real life, when powering down it is best to wait until the amps are below 1000 to prevent flashover damage. This is something that applies to all diesel electric locos however more so with 50s.
Saw one of these on the East Lancashire Railway not that long ago. I must say they're not very nice to stand next to as they make alot of smoke and fumes and are really noisy.
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I remember working on 50's at Saltley from 1981, the internal filtration system was indeed anything but, the equipment room was always filthy and this is where the main generator free end was located, the commutator would have been plastered in muck hence the regular flash overs. Also the way these locomotives were driven (Shutting off power) left a lot to be desired, we were taught to shut it down to the on position and begin to brake, after a period of say 15 seconds the amps would have died down enough to allow minimal load and current on the generator to be dispersed. Unfortunately many Western and Southern drivers did not like the class so drove them shockingly. (Prefuring 1000's or class 33's, The cost of which were main generator flash overs and traction motors too, a costly and time consuming repair. Had BR refurbished them with alternators fitted, a lot of the issues would have been sorted, but alas the costs of such were prohibitive so it never came to fruition,. The freight concept was ditched due to costs of refitting sanders (removed upon refurbishment) shame really as they were a great locomotive in nearly every way. A warm, comfortable, quiet driving environment and great performance. Scrapped far too soon I feel and had Chris Green had his way moved onto Intercity Cross Country services. 🤔
You can get the railfreight livery from a UKTS Freeware Pack. Comes with a whole ton of new liveries
Hi,
On the Reverser handle the "EO" position stands for "ENGINE ONLY" This is the position the handle must be in to start the engine(s) and where all auxiliary equipment is working, such as the exhausters, compressors and other train equipment, but the traction circuits will not work. It also locks off the master controller handle preventing movement. If you move the reverser to the off position everything is switched out except the engine will continue to run if it was running before.
Ah the Class 50. My first diesel love. Remember my times driving it on Microsoft Train Sim on Settle-Carlisle. Was disappointed that it didn't come with any scenarios for the S-C
+BMWM3GTRLOVER It was the good old days of MSTS which got me into liking the Class 50 too :)
Great video. Very informative and presented in an easy to understand way. Already looking forward to the next one. Class 37, or 20 perhaps?
The BR logo of that era was known as the 'flying kipper'.
Excellent video PTGRail, really enjoying this series.
+David Searle Thank you David :)
Wow, what an iconic engine! Among the grand old guard of CoCo diesel express engines, like the Deltic or the SNCF CC72000. With so many in preservation, I hope I get to see one in real life. Thanks for the video!
Brilliant. I just about remember these locos and the 47s running out of Oxford.
Looking forward to the next train guide :-)
+William Mankelow Sadly I don't remember them, but I do remember seeing loco hauled trains in the Bristol area in the early 1990s. I can't remember what locos they were though. I'm yet to decide what the next train guide will be :)
+PTGRail, Have you done a video to the class 40 yet? It has large sentimental values for me and I would like to see it
This is the first train guide of your that I've seen, and it was very informative, like all of your other videos! I will have to watch more of this series.
I'm glad that you enjoyed this video! Have you seen my route guides and signalling tutorials? :)
PTGRail Of course :) Those signalling guides especially were very helpful.
Really enjoyed this video. Hope to see some more of them.
+Steven Jam Thanks Steven! There will be more to come :)
Good comment about the Ammeter Peter (no rhyme intended).....yes in reality if you thrash these locos too quickly, you would cause overload in the motors, just like the AC Locos which are simulated spot on.....great vid mate :D
Very nice Pete, I really enjoy these vids :)
+Jordan Watson Thanks Jordan! :)
Thank you for doing another one of these great video!!
+Ryan Lynch Thanks for your comment! :)
I'm guessing the 3 country corner will be the next route video. Great guide. Might get this now. Matt
+MI Rail I don't have that route at present, but I would like to cover something on it when I can get it :)
Quick, informative and easy to understand, brilliant :)
+HuntergreedGaming I'm glad you enjoyed this one, thanks :)
Great Video. Very informative and although not my favorite loco, I do love the rasping sound when accelerating
I've read several driver opinions who worked the waterloo to Exeter line and they really disliked the 47s, apparantly 50s were far superior and you are half right about why they were withdrawn. yes they had problems but that is because they were been run into the ground, BR wanted rid so maintenance was kept to a minimum. look on you tube and see the state of them in their last days, ironically a bit like the westerns in the 70s, plenty of years life left but not wanted
love the these train guides.
+rail devil Thank you :)
Very informative. Another great guide. keep up the good work!
Thanks Derek, glad you enjoyed this video :)
I really enjoyed this video, first time seeing something like this.Thanks for making it. Off to find some more of your videos now. Thanks. :-)
I'm sure the gradient between St Davids and Central is 1 in 37, that's why there is a run off siding to the right at 14:54 :-)
+60163Jordan I'm not sure what it is in reality, but in game it's not quite as steep as that :)
+PTGRail It must be that steep, as Southern Railway 'Z' class 0-8-0 tank locomotives used to bank trains up there until 1962 when Panniers took over, apparently second steepest after Lickey, but that's longer!. I'm sure it's as steep on the Riviera Line version, even though there's no scenery on it, but I honestly don't know haha! :)
great vid, full of information as usual have to say the class 50 my favourite loco cant beat the sound of that 16 cylinder engine. for folk in the south of England the watercress line in Hampshire Alton has a working example to see and ride behind 5027 lion always a good day out
Great vid as always
+NingaTuna TheCakeisaLie Thank you :)
What situation would call for use of the Loco Brake? Is is just when running the Loco only with nothing else connected? If so, why would the main brake not suffice in that situation?
Oh, excellent Video, as usual.
+Daniel Gregory (EpicDavinci) As far as I know, it's only used when as you say its running light engine. The main brake is connected to the entire train so I think it would only work when connected.
+Daniel Gregory (EpicDavinci) The loco brake can be useful when you require minimal brake force to control your speed. For example on some downhill gradients if you use the train brake it is often too much brake force and slows you down too quickly, but if you use the loco brake you can control the speed a lot better. Though it shouldn't be used too much to prevent too much wear on the brake shoes.
Which route has Exeter central on it? Is it the Riviera line because I thought it didn't have central on it.
Its a nice locomotive but i wonder if they will make a new model for it... this one looks a bit outdated...
Great video as always. I have a question, I've been trying to make my own scenario on the London-Brighton route, or any route for that matter. I'm wondering is there a specific place you get the real life timetables from. I'm from Canada so I don't know the ins and outs of the UK routes. I've found sites that give me the timetables of the route but no platform numbers. It's quite easy for the smaller stations with only two tracks but for the bigger stations how do you know what platform is correct. As well as the service number for each train? That'd be a huge help for me. Thanks.
+Joel Stevens Check out Real Time Trains www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced it gives you all the info of platform numbers, route taken and service number as well.
+William Mankelow Thank you so much! That really helps a lot! Add on question, how do you determine the length of the train?
+Joel Stevens William has already shared the link I was going to. Realtimetrains is the site I use for all my train times and headcodes :)
+PTGRail Thanks anyways. Yeah it's working wonders right now. Saves me a lot of time. :)
Why don’t you do a train guide on the Class 321
If you hold shift and press the space bar, there is a different horn
+First Great Games I didn't realise that, I shall test it the next time I drive the Class 50 :)
Really enjoy your videos. could you please tell me what hardware/software you use to capture your videos.
+DarranKent I currently use Bandicam for video capture as it's less taxing on my system than the alternatives while maintaining a good standard of quality :)
+PTGRail sounds like a brilliant ides. can you tell me which one you use
+PTGRail thankyou. i will check out bandicam
Pete why don't you do a virgin pendolino class 390 Manchester Piccadilly to London euston
+mariam akinpelu Unfortunately that route isn't currently available in TS, but if it becomes available I will certainly cover it :)
I have the sound pack to Class 50 like yesterday i have it
Hi @PTGRail, which route has Exeter Central modelled?
+Robert Putt It can be found on the freeware Exeter to Barnstaple route from DP Simulation :)
hey ptg could you do a video on how to install reskins
+Colin Engelbert I'll see what I can do. There's a lot of variation in methods of installation so there's no one answer to give to how to do it.
How do you get the wide angle view of the cab?
You need to change the FOV. I've got a couple of tutorial videos on this channel which explain how to do it :)
i have a hornby class 50 DCC sound
Awesome
Thanks for this vid!
+Eventful Evening Thanks for the comment :)
+PTGRail No problem! All your vids are brill
How come you have Exeter central on your route
+OMGtrains I was using the freeware Exeter to Barnstaple route from DP Simulation for this :)
freeware? what am I missing?😢
Does it have the cold start script?
+Doctor Anthony Unfortunately not. You can turn the engine on and off with the Z key, but I think that's about it.
The 50 in Train Sim is very poorly simulated, it will only reaches 1738 amps on full power, which is well within the safe limits of the generator. 2600 amps is about where you want to start getting worried on the real thing. Also, in real life, when powering down it is best to wait until the amps are below 1000 to prevent flashover damage. This is something that applies to all diesel electric locos however more so with 50s.
+Olly Swan Thanks for the information :)
Nice vid
+Sean Duff (Duffers) Thanks :)
What is the route called? Looks like an extention
This isn't a route, you're seeing shots of the train on several routes :)
well what are the routes then XD
JintySteam Western Lines of Scotland, Doncaster Works, China Clay for Export, West Somerset Railway, Riviera Line, Exeter to Barnstaple :)
ok thaaaaaanks
Saw one of these on the East Lancashire Railway not that long ago. I must say they're not very nice to stand next to as they make alot of smoke and fumes and are really noisy.
+Mil Pop A lot of enthusiasts love all the noise and clag etc !
+Mil Pop I love all the smoke and noise! I would love to see one in real life and be near it when it's in full power XD
Every time I leave a comment saying how I dislike a certain aspect of a Train PTG says he'd love it XD
Mil Pop Haha, I see what you're saying there :p Neither of us is right or wrong, just a difference of opinion :)
Seems you prefer older trains rather then newer ones. I personally prefer new ones :P
Class 67/66 train guide?