@@texasswade8453 that makes no sense from an Orwellian stand point. Orwell was a socialist in the traditional sense, he wanted to establish an idealistic society. He believed in communism, but he despised Stalinism after encountering what it does to people in Spain.
I always learnt that Old Major was a mixture of Marx and Lenin and Lenin didn't apply to Snowball or Napoleon but I guess it's all about interpretation
@@Viki1999 Trotsky was the leader of the Red Army, that's why he's always shown at the forefront whenever there's fighting. Also, Lenin was never chased off the USSR by Stalin, Trotsky was. Snowball is clearly a stand-in for Trotsky, while Old Major stands for both Marx and Lenin.
Napoleon = Stalin Snowball = Trotsky Old Major = Marx, lil bit of Lenin Dogs = NKVD Crow = Orthodox Church The other farmers = Germany and the U.S. (I think?) I think that's most of the characters (that make a difference in the plot anyway). Ironically, while the CIA and filmmakers wanted this to be a "socialism BAD" movie, they didn't seem to realize that the book was saying "Stalin and the USSR were bad because they came to resemble capitalists". The moral of the story is still "capitalism is bad, arbitrary authority is bad, classist relations are bad". The ending of the psy-op movie is also really ironic, because it implies that there should be a second *socialist* revolution to put power back into the.... hooves of the animals. A liberal "revolution" would've ended in them finding a human to topple the pigs and appropriate the entire farm again.
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." ~George Orwell
@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy to be fair being a demsoc had a different connotation that it does today. He was not a fan of planned economies or the vanguard, if that’s something you’re really attached to then, fair enough. Not sone kind of irreconcilable difference for me- but the rogue socialists he fought among side were essentially fighting for what we today would more or less consider Ancoms
@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy Yeah, he reported gay people to the British Secret police and accused them of being communist. He was also antisemitic. He generally was not a good person.
When you realize that when Susan became the CEO of RUclips, RUclips is slowly becoming like television media All content creators are equal but some content creators are more equal than others.
Yep, they are the same people who took over Russia in 1917, and lead today the racist anti-white, anti-christian, anti-western, SJW totalitarian, pro-censorship "all animals are equal but we are more equal, now shut up or be cancelled" movements. Huxley, Orwell, Bradbury, Yuri Bezmenov and others warned us, but we didn't listen. The American population was dumbed down gradually, decade by decade to the 1917 Russian level, and you can see nowadays the neo-bolsheviks taking over, in the disguise of protectors of human rights and equality.
A lot of right wing "libertarians" think George Orwells art was anti-socialist since it pulled so much inspiration from the USSR. It wasn't. Orwells art was anti-authoritarian. He himself was a libertarian socialist who fought for the anarchists in the spanish civil war. He even wrote this article called "towards european unity" where that became pretty clear.
I hate him He's antisemitic, homophobic, and racist. Specifically, he snitched out Jews, Black people, Homosexuals, and communists to British Intelligence. His list includes him writing: 8 variations of “Jewish?” (Charlie Chaplin), “Polish Jew, (Tom Driberg)” “English Jew,” or “Jewess.” Paul Robeson - "ROBESON, Paul (US Negro) ...Very anti-white. [Henry] Wallace supporter." Paul Robeson wasn't anti-white, just look at the welsh coal miners for whom Robeson Campaigned. The testimony of Paul Robeson (one of the people Orwell snitched on), to HUAC (House of Unamerican activities committee) during the red scare. Stephen Spender - "Sentimental sympathiser... Tendency towards homosexuality" Hugh MacDiarmid, Scottish nationalist poet, and anti-imperialist. George Padmore, Trinidadian journalist and anti-imperialist campaigner. His books Animal Farm and 1984 are used widely as anti-communist propaganda in schools in the US and UK. So much so that his animated animal farm film was funded by the CIA. There's a reason they teach George Orwell in schools and not Franz Fanon, Che, Huey P Newton, Malcolm X, Lenin, CLR James, etc. Orwell, anti-communist: A criticism of Orwell and his Work - By Isaac Asimov. Orwell worked as a British imperial cop in Burma for 5 years. His short story, Shooting an Elephant, uses ethnic slurs and denigrates burmese people.
Arsenal123 Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean dictatorship in the more recognizable sense, it means the state should be run by the proletariat. This is not incompatible with democracy. A government built bottom-up not top-down
Orwell was a socialist. For example he wrote a book called homage to Catalonia where in many parts he praises the anarchist uprising in Catalonia. He even was a supporter of the Party of Marxist Unification, an anti-Stalinist communist party.
@@babyblooddistilleriesinc3131 Orwell was born in the British Raj, and served as a cop in what is now Myanmar. He later about how Imperialism and Colonialism make one believe they're doing the right thing when they are really just oppressing the natives.
You probably are. Just don't know it. May not be the typical monarchist with an overt king, but you probably have no problem with someone even more powerful than a king, a billionaire or their Sauron sized smaller cousins hundies (hundred billionaires).
@@LL-vj5yp most medical research is funded by government grants, not private funding. The profit incentive of discovering new treatments is a bad faith argument against adopting universal healthcare.
Little mistake: you said Lenin overthrew the tsar. However, the tsar was put out of power by a temporary democracy in February. Lenin took power in October because the war was continuing, so not only because of famines. Great video BTW.
Russia didn't have "temporary democracy"... The provisional government were members of duma that were appointed members. Russia didn't have any democracy until Yeltsin and then Medvedev briefly.
@@mikhailv67tv lmao imagine believing that read up on the 1993 constitution crisis or on yeltsin 8% approval prior to his landslide victory in 96 and medvedev is Putin’s puppet
@@personbob8691 He's ended up that way, by the looks if things quite currupted but i dont believe he started that way. He had an agenda of social and government reform . He made substancial police reforms for instance, sacking many corrupt officers and professionalise the ranks. I remember the optomism when i visited
@@mikhailv67tv the manufactured optimism u mean the lies that were made to support yeltsin as I said he had 8% approval rating before his landslide victory in 96 the economy was trash under him and most people had wanted to keep the ussr but he destroyed it and he gave money to allow for the modern oligarchy and he had immense corruption He truly was great lol
The United States had at least anti-communist education in the school. I went to school in Sweden, we did not learn anything about the evils of communism. I learned that on my own.
I love how they got you to read 1984 where he explicitly says that “thus they destroyed the very principle Socialism used to stand for” - he literally says Ingsoc is not Socialist, just socialist in name
@@gerardbuttigieg I've noticed the people who try and claim Orwell was anti-Socialist perfectly demonstrate what Orwell meant when he said facts don't matter in politics.
Who in their right mind analyses Animal Farm and gets that conclusion. The book very clearly isnt against the idea of socialism but against the authoritarian turn it took in the USSR. At least thats how i interpreted it as a kid when i read it
The 80's Wolf yeah cause the Marxist-Leninists did a great job uniting the global proletariat and creating a socialist world. Oh wait those State Capitalists just scared off the workers into the arms of Social Democracy and Welfare Capitalism. The reason Marxist-Leninists fail is because they are too Statist and for centralized bureaucracy. Remember Kronstadt. When ever workers wanted a decentralized more localized commune, as in the Paris Commune they were suppressed as “counterrevolutionaries.” Even Marx who was libertarian at heart thought the heavily Proudhonian Paris Commune was the workers social revolution he was advocating for his whole career. And he also supported Democratic Socialism as a viable revolutionary methods in the most industrialized worlds. Leninists and the other State Socialists are revisionists of Marxism. Just ask Rosa Luxemburg. Socialism is from below and decentralized.
Yeah, but when the CIA bought the movie rights and produced the adaptation, they exercised their creative control to change a bunch of details from the book specifically for propaganda purposes.
@@MrSafer I think the most important and relevant lesson from Animal Farm is the "recidivism of tyranny" -- the idea that revolutions against oppressive systems can be corrupted from within, becoming just as if not more oppressive than the regimes they overthrow.
sunyavadin I watched the movie and honestly it’s awful at being propaganda. It never states that the revolution was a mistake and instead calls for a second revolution to replace those of the first. It never says the farmer was right. I think the CIA fucked up xD
I was in a stage adaptation of Animal Farm with my local youth theatre when I was like 15 (I played Snowball, if anyone was wondering). I'd kill to do it again, since now I have such a deeper understanding of class struggle and Marxism, also especially after seeing this video!
I don't think Orwell was anti-revolutionary (at least not always he may have changed over time idk). He was a Trotskyist and fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM a Marxist organization and loved the way Barcelona became proletarian in the early years of it. But towards the end of that war the Spanish Communist Party (who were being supported by Stalin) called for the POUM's arrest and expulsion from Spain. This may have been the start of him being salty against the USSR under Stalin. Also I've generally seen most people interpret Snowball as Trotsky, at least that's how my teacher in school talked about it when we covered the book in school.
@@alexr6705 he fought with the POUM, a Trotskyist organization in Spain and was a member or the Trotskyist Independent Labour Party in Britain, weird things for an anarchist and not a Trotskyist to do. He might have like what he saw of the anarchists in Spain and expressed that in Homage to Catalonia as well as elsewhere, but to my knowledge he was never himself an anarchist.
Actually, correction: in the 1930s it had many Trotskyists join it but the ILP was not itself an inherently Trotskyist organization, being more just generically Marxist throughout its time existing, it had several different kinds of Marxists involved in it throughout that period from 1900-ish to the 70s when it disbanded to become instead a leftist pressure group in the larger Labour Party.
@@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot Orwell first attempted to join the International Brigades, but the leader of the British Communist Party disliked him so he contacted the ILP instead.
Just because a film is animated doesn't mean it's for children. Many of the early cartoons had adult themes. Parents make this mistake over and over again. In the book, Snowball wasn't killed, he was just driven away. When Napoleon is looking for traitors for his show trial, four of the pigs who opposed a longer working day are executed along with the rebellious hens.
To be fair: the Donkey could always read in the books. He was cynic and usually considered nothing worth reading; THOUGH like many cynics he loved to be around simple idealists like Boxer the Horse and they were best friends (I think cynics often WANT to be proven wrong, provided it's by someone like Boxer who won't rub it in afterward). So HE certainly new what the truck said on the back...
I’m an American & I had to read Animal farm twice for school. 1 time was in 5th grade at a private Catholic school in 1985/6 & the teacher explained it as representing the Soviet Union & how they never achieved the utopia promised, but also explained socialism as an achievable practice, but warned of corruption. I was in public school from the 6th grade on & I think it was the 9th grade when I read this again. The teacher that time taught it as anti communist propaganda. Some Catholics were based during the Reagan years, because they knew he was ultimately responsible for all the murders of Catholics in South America. I wish I stayed with my grandparents & continued Catholic school …although it certainly had draw backs 💚 I found this channel a few weeks ago & I’ve been watching the old videos & I love all of them. If you somehow see this thank you, & anyone else that could be involved🤷♂️, for you’re work!
I went through highschool in Spanish Springs, Nevada. One of the years in which I was required to read Animal Farm, our English teacher had to take leave 3/4 way into the year for the birth and labor of her child. Our class was assigned a substitute teacher at this time in the middle of our reading of Animal Farm. Our substitute teacher was elderly, possibly in her 80's. Our class then proceded to take advantage of the fact that we had a senior as a substitute teacher by telling her for five or six weeks straight that we had yet to see the Animal Farm animated film. We watched the Animal Farm animated film for those five or six weeks to the individual amusement to all of the class. Perhaps the substitute even got some time to prepare for the next lesson for our class.
I'm a tankie and I interpreted the animals taking away the axes and reigns as disarming the workers as well as undoing the Tsar. It's also against corruption and implementing Mao's ideas of criticism and self-criticism to keep the state in check by the eyes of the people so it doesn't get full of itself and ahead of the people. They couldn't speak out part because they couldn't read, and Mao worked so hard to increase literacy he overhauled the Chinese language
You are the only person I’m subscribed to with notifications. Thank you for the vast historical knowledge. I have read the gulag archipelago , 1984, animal house, studied stallin, Lenin, and I could not place exactly who the Bolsheviks were or exactly the role they played. You explained it simply in all of 20 seconds. You the man
Orwell, what a joke. Never has there been a more accurate quote to describe the "free" world than "all animals are equal, just some more equal than others".
19:20 Stalin had multiple meetings *immediately* after the invasion. Seriously, dude had like 90 hours of meetings within the first week of the invasion! I'll link the source vid when I find it after watching this.
1. Stalin didn't have to prohibit anyone else from voting or anything like that, he had his agents and they'd just kill off anyone who was against him, or put them in gulags. It didn't have to be said out loud. 2. In the book the song WAS prohibited. I don't remember how exactly but there was a line like this. I think it was just said to the animals who were singing it, that they can't sing it anymore.
My AP English teacher was a pretty based Trotskyist with some slightly reactionary social views, so she was always pointing out how great Trotsky was during our reading of this book and how he most directly and reasonably continued Marxist thought. She did this in vague and veiled language adhering strictly to the allegory so she wouldn't get fired, but it was easy to pick up on with my (at the time) rudimentary knowledge of leftist theory, tendencies and culture. Pretty epic ngl
If you're referring to the Bloody Sunday in 22nd January 1905, where you quoted "he ordered his army to shoot into a crowd of peaceful protesters." However, (in spite of the various acts he committed) the Tsar did not give the order to fire on the crowd, but was wildly blamed for it shortly after, leading to a number of strikes across the country and the 1905 revolution.
The movie actually made some realistic improvements, it actually makes more sense that they *can* read, because the Soviet Union achieved full literacy. It makes sense that they can read the sign on the death wagon and such.
That's not such a traumatizing scene when you think about it. Disney has been doing that same thing for years. Bambi, Dumbo, Lion King, Nemo, Inside Out, Up. It may actually be more common than not.
I feel like you missed a lot of the book. Like clover crying about how times seem to be worse than they ever were, and the sheep blindly following the pigs to the point that they drown out all arguments. That could be akin to shutting down arguments because you dont agree with them (which we see a lot of today)
Between this channel and three arrows I don't know how it happened but thank you youtube algorythm for taking me to the germanic leftist intellectual part of youtube
Its weird to say that Orwell was "anti-revolutionary." Just read his own book, "Homage to Catalonia," where he praises the anarcho-syndicalist revolution in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War.
You'd have to read Homage to Catalonia and his political essays, and also have some familiarity with his party, the Independent Labour Party, and some of his friends and comrades from that party and their politics, like Tom Nairn, to put his later life anti-Stalinism in context. The fact that the conduct of Stalinists in the Spanish Civil War was shockingly uncomradely and sectarian, and that the Spanish Stalinists actively persecuted other anti-fascists despite the greater need to stop the fascists, is undeniable, and merited hostility from other Marxists and democratic socialists who had experienced that uncomradely and perverse action in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe from the 1920s through the 1950s. The democracy of the soviets was destroyed from the 1920s onwards. Soviets continued to meet, but they were no longer democratically elected or forums in which open debate was possible. As soon as Lenin outlawed other parties they became front organisations, whose decisions could be centrally dictated. Stalin streamlined that centralisation, but it was underway under Lenin, simply by the logic of forbidding other parties and party factions within the RSDWP-Bolsheviki. NB The depiction of the pigs as the villains is somewhat problematic, as the kids say. Obviously there is an ancient tradition of use of pig metaphors in European antisemitism. The JudenSau etc. Jews being depicted as sows shitting out gold to refer to moneylending and rentierism in general. It's possible that George Orwell was unfamiliar with those particular tropes, but using pigs as villains, in place of the traditional English-speaking world referrant of "Fat Cats" to talk about wealthy elites is an unfortunate choice, especially given the Jewish identity of many leading figures in the CPSU, including Trotsky. Orwell was not an antisemite in his published opinions, had many Jewish comrades in the ILP and the Labour Party after the war, and hasn't been accused of any personal antisemitic behaviour in any of his associates' memoirs that I've heard of, but the usage of pigs in Animal Farm to depict Stalinists and Soviet apparatchik corruption remains a worrying mistake, in my opinion. It's an error that Art Speigelman managed to avoid in Maus, for instance, in which the Jews are mice, the Nazis are dogs, and it is Poles who are depicted as pigs, interestingly - neutrals as between Jews and Nazis.
imean if were to be a little metaphorical Stalin put together a large base of support during his job as general secretary and used that to take controll
George Orwell was a socialist intellectual, but from what I have read from him(Animal Farm, 1984) he tend to have petit bourgeois type of contempt toward the working class, which is common among petit bourgeois intellectual. But he know how to write I'll give him that.
This is photograph of him serving himself a proper tea in the trenches of Spain. But he did view the poor first hand, and lived as a poor person to see what it was like. He exposed the terrible conditions of the working class in the north of England.
I'm pretty sure Napoleon did outright outlaw the song, and i just finished listening to it... but i could obv be wrong. I can see why they'd leave it out of the movie but I figured he didn't want them to be called beasts
I don't see Animal Farm as inherently anti socialism but more anti revolution, or more specifically anti short-sighted revolution, as if revolution isn't considering the long term then it tends to concentrate on the problem rather than the solution. I reread the book a few days ago and I was drawn to how insistent Orwell is that Old Major is incredibly old and wise, only to then reveal him to be 12 in an almost comedic fashion. I believe this is meant to represent that no matter how old and wise we can hope to become, or believe we have become, one human lifetime will never be enough to gather sufficient context of human history to form such an arrogant claim that it's worth undoing everything achieved by an entire people/nation up to that point in the name of shaping society into the dream of one individual. Obviously I am not making the arrogant statement that there have never been any just revolutions but more that revolution requires long consideration of where the tyranny lies and what can be done in the long term to ensure that it doesn't rear it's ugly head again, if the revolution is shortsighted the tyranny will only be displaced Great video BTW, was having trouble filling in a few blanks regarding the historical events rather than the historical figures
Fun fact, I’m a European conservative and I support free healthcare and so does every other conservative I know. And by free I mean that everyone has access to healthcare but private healthcare can be set up and if you’re really wealthy you can pay for a better standard. Turns out I’m a socialist.
Not at all. Conservatives in America don't support free healthcare here because free healthcare for the poor is already available but leftists want the government to completely control the healthcare system.
I respect George Orwell because he was a socialist yet saw the nightmare that comes from a one Party state. The greatest of these at the time of writing this novel was the Soviet Union. He saw the viscious and ruthless reality of Communism at first hand and rejected it while typical middle class liberals ("useful idiots") played the three wise monkeys to Soviet tyranny. Orwell's analysis of violent revolution and it's consequences (the tyranny of a small elite) is as relevant today as it was then.
I disagree with your assertion that watching traumatizing children's movies is what brought us boomers. From my experience it's the lack of exposure to things like this, Pinoccio, Dumbo, etc, that creates the worst type of boomer.
Honestly, the author is just a XXI century Western softy who probably was helicopter parented. And kinda factually wrong as well, considering that, for example, Soviet boomers grew up without those movies and people who were born after the 90s grew up on those movies. The results? Pretty much the same, boomers are retarded (like Americans but reversed) and millenials are dead inside. Also the boy doesn't realize that people in the past saw fucked up shit (by today's standards) on the daily basis for, like, the whole of history. Like, if you want some meat you go and kill something to get its meat, probably something that you've grew on your farm. And it wasn't that big of a deal.
I saw this movie as a kid, and I am a millennial (born in 1985). It was one of my favorites, to be honest. I don't know how I, an American kid that adored Animal Farm, turned out to be a Leftist, but here I am!
Orwell was mostly a libertarian socialist. The USSR executed anarchists pretty much from the get go and portrayed them as decedent drunks just like they were portrayed in the west. The USSR also had a key role in destroying the anarchism of Ukraine and Catalonia. It is only natural to have disdain for USSR if you are anti-authorian socialist.
@@sakketin Bolsheviks were Makhno and Spanish anarchists' life support, anarchists tried to kill Lenin, anarchists and POUM Trots started the ultra-left May Days battles against the Republic that guaranteed fascist victory
Reading Homage to Catalonia I never realised Orwell was such a hero. Shot though the throat fighting fascists! How on earth is that not more widely known.
The anarchist notion of direct democracy without any state presupposes a world where classes are already completely gone, where there are no capitalist states and no bourgeois military apparatus. A state where all production is directly in the proeucers' hands and where there are no labour distinctions. Or, in other words, anarchism assumes a direct transition to communism in one stroke and is therefore utopian.
You don't need to claim, Orwell himself said "every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
In my class when we read animal farm, the teacher was trying to explain why socialism was bad and everything was like wait, this doesn't sound too bad, its safe to say we didn't really get the meaning of the book
What incentive is there to create, invent, or produce in a socialist society? It's the select elites, then everybody else. Human nature inherently allows power to corrupt.
"It doesn't seem like he was a fan of revolution" 1:36 um he fought for the Republicans during the Spanish civil war? and when the Republican faction split he sided with the Anarchists?
Skimming the comments here quickly and I got a question for people commenting and saying "No Orwell isn't X since he did Y": You guys are aware of how time works right? Like you can do 1 thing and later realize you are wrong/change ideologies....
So my school is like 70% Ethnic Minorities in a working class area, so needless to say mostly socialist, and when we covered this book, the teachers just skipped past most of the curriculum saying “Napoleon is Stalin, Stalin bad alright next topic”
_"Stalin didn't assassinate Lenin…"_ 🤔 Are we sure about that? Lenin was recovering from his stroke, and had even recently gone on a hunting trip. Then party leaders started visiting him at home and he started getting worse again. The last such visit was the night before he died. 🤷♂
11:13 yes, although Lenin was not directly killed by Stalin; Stalin did kill Lenin’s vision of communism by sabotaging his will. Lenin wanted trotsky to take over and ordered Stalin to deliver the message to trotsky, however Stalin sabotaged it and told the communists that Lenin had declared him his successor. Napoleon sending the dogs may represent the death of Leninism and Trotskyism rather than a particular person
The problem is that people try to paint everything in black and white. His early life was outspoken support for democratic socialism. His involvement in the Spanish Civil War opened his eyes to the complexities of the political situations of war and it was noted he found it frustrating. He was able to gain a war position in WW2 and was reportedly very opposed Stalin regime. It is noted that between 1943 - 1945 he still ran in his usual left circles including his writing work, however he now also had prominent right side political minded friends as well. Probably an indication of what changed for him after his first hand experience in WW2 and the Spanish Civil War and also normal life changes that happen as we grow. He also had his personal views challenged and slight change in his views when the situation with the "N" party in Germany happened. I think it was around this time as well that he changed his public political stance moving to a more independent left view. This is why there is so much debate about what he stood for and what his books were about, perhaps he died still as strong for Democratic Socialism, or perhaps the repeated situations of being faced with complex political situations, with murky waters, actually broke his fantasy version of some socialist utopia being possible as it was plain to see that the three major situations he faced proved over and over that there is no clean and clear playing field and even if there was then it will be corrupted by the power of the leadership (human nature).
Lenin also believed in socialism in one country. "Thirdly, the victory of socialism in one country does not at one stroke eliminate all wars in general. On the contrary, it presupposes wars. The development of capitalism proceeds extremely unevenly in different countries. It cannot be otherwise under commodity production. From this it follows irrefutably that socialism cannot achieve victory simultaneously in all countries. It will achieve victory first in one or several countries, while the others will for some time remain bourgeois or pre-bourgeois. This is bound to create not only friction, but a direct attempt on the part of the bourgeoisie of other countries to crush the socialist state’s victorious proletariat. In such cases, a war on our part would be a legitimate and just war. It would be a war for socialism, for the liberation of other nations from the bourgeoisie. Engels was perfectly right when, in his letter to Kautsky of September 12, 1882, he clearly stated that it was possible for already victorious socialism to wage “defensive wars”. What he had in mind was defense of the victorious proletariat against the bourgeoisie of other countries." -Lenin
![Cody Johnson - I'm Gonna Love You (with Carrie Underwood) [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yy9PuYMU29g/mqdefault.jpg)
The moral of the story: absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Agreed!
Napoleon and his piga were pretty shitty from the beginning, so I wouldnt say corruption is the moral of the story.
No. The moral of the story is that communism is evil and easily established with a few useful sheep.
@@texasswade8453 And that's another interpretation. One I hate, but one nonetheless.
@@texasswade8453 that makes no sense from an Orwellian stand point. Orwell was a socialist in the traditional sense, he wanted to establish an idealistic society. He believed in communism, but he despised Stalinism after encountering what it does to people in Spain.
i'd say snowball is definitely Trotsky. He's even exiled and driven away by Napoleon and his dogs
That's what I was taught. I was surprised to hear him say that Snowball was Lenin
@@albamcgowan9300 it could be both. It's not like _Animal Farm_ is supposed to be a perfect 1:1 analogy
I always learnt that Old Major was a mixture of Marx and Lenin and Lenin didn't apply to Snowball or Napoleon but I guess it's all about interpretation
@@Viki1999 Trotsky was the leader of the Red Army, that's why he's always shown at the forefront whenever there's fighting. Also, Lenin was never chased off the USSR by Stalin, Trotsky was. Snowball is clearly a stand-in for Trotsky, while Old Major stands for both Marx and Lenin.
Lenin's essence was split between Major and Snowball.
Napoleon = Stalin
Snowball = Trotsky
Old Major = Marx, lil bit of Lenin
Dogs = NKVD
Crow = Orthodox Church
The other farmers = Germany and the U.S. (I think?)
I think that's most of the characters (that make a difference in the plot anyway).
Ironically, while the CIA and filmmakers wanted this to be a "socialism BAD" movie, they didn't seem to realize that the book was saying "Stalin and the USSR were bad because they came to resemble capitalists". The moral of the story is still "capitalism is bad, arbitrary authority is bad, classist relations are bad".
The ending of the psy-op movie is also really ironic, because it implies that there should be a second *socialist* revolution to put power back into the.... hooves of the animals. A liberal "revolution" would've ended in them finding a human to topple the pigs and appropriate the entire farm again.
AmunDeus exactly, and yes the other farmers were interventionists, US, Japan, Germans...
Sad to see Orwell was a Trotskyist
@@ivanalejandro6184 not sad, it is doubleplusgood.
whats wrong with trotskyism
Imagine analyzing Orwell's book that much
Except Stalin was democratically elected and wasn't really a dictator and didn't actually kill that many poeple..
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." ~George Orwell
That's true. And that's where I criticize him because i think his ideas of democratic socialism are wrong. I don't think he's a bad guy though.
@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy to be fair being a demsoc had a different connotation that it does today. He was not a fan of planned economies or the vanguard, if that’s something you’re really attached to then, fair enough. Not sone kind of irreconcilable difference for me- but the rogue socialists he fought among side were essentially fighting for what we today would more or less consider Ancoms
@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy pretty sure the fact that he was an open homophobe is a bit worse lol
@@ExpldgN I mean I guess. Did he ever do anything personally towards them?
@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy Yeah, he reported gay people to the British Secret police and accused them of being communist. He was also antisemitic. He generally was not a good person.
When you realize that when Susan became the CEO of RUclips, RUclips is slowly becoming like television media
All content creators are equal but some content creators are more equal than others.
Yep, they are the same people who took over Russia in 1917, and lead today the racist anti-white, anti-christian, anti-western, SJW totalitarian, pro-censorship "all animals are equal but we are more equal, now shut up or be cancelled" movements. Huxley, Orwell, Bradbury, Yuri Bezmenov and others warned us, but we didn't listen. The American population was dumbed down gradually, decade by decade to the 1917 Russian level, and you can see nowadays the neo-bolsheviks taking over, in the disguise of protectors of human rights and equality.
Yep, very sad and depressing. Now she’s dead, and the other CEO is out here with what scraps are left of RUclips before it officially dies.
A lot of right wing "libertarians" think George Orwells art was anti-socialist since it pulled so much inspiration from the USSR.
It wasn't. Orwells art was anti-authoritarian. He himself was a libertarian socialist who fought for the anarchists in the spanish civil war.
He even wrote this article called "towards european unity" where that became pretty clear.
I hate him
He's antisemitic, homophobic, and racist. Specifically, he snitched out Jews, Black people, Homosexuals, and communists to British Intelligence. His list includes him writing:
8 variations of “Jewish?” (Charlie Chaplin), “Polish Jew, (Tom Driberg)” “English Jew,” or “Jewess.”
Paul Robeson - "ROBESON, Paul (US Negro) ...Very anti-white. [Henry] Wallace supporter."
Paul Robeson wasn't anti-white, just look at the welsh coal miners for whom Robeson Campaigned.
The testimony of Paul Robeson (one of the people Orwell snitched on), to HUAC (House of Unamerican activities committee) during the red scare.
Stephen Spender - "Sentimental sympathiser... Tendency towards homosexuality"
Hugh MacDiarmid, Scottish nationalist poet, and anti-imperialist.
George Padmore, Trinidadian journalist and anti-imperialist campaigner.
His books Animal Farm and 1984 are used widely as anti-communist propaganda in schools in the US and UK. So much so that his animated animal farm film was funded by the CIA. There's a reason they teach George Orwell in schools and not Franz Fanon, Che, Huey P Newton, Malcolm X, Lenin, CLR James, etc.
Orwell, anti-communist: A criticism of Orwell and his Work - By Isaac Asimov.
Orwell worked as a British imperial cop in Burma for 5 years. His short story, Shooting an Elephant, uses ethnic slurs and denigrates burmese people.
I like Orwell’s work but disagree with him regarding democracy. Communism should be a dictatorship of the proletariat
CWW are U trying to say the ussr wasn’t authoritarian?
@@cipkasvay good to know
Arsenal123
Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean dictatorship in the more recognizable sense, it means the state should be run by the proletariat. This is not incompatible with democracy.
A government built bottom-up not top-down
Orwell was a socialist. For example he wrote a book called homage to Catalonia where in many parts he praises the anarchist uprising in Catalonia. He even was a supporter of the Party of Marxist Unification, an anti-Stalinist communist party.
@@cipkasvay What do you mean excactly?
@@babyblooddistilleriesinc3131 Orwell was born in the British Raj, and served as a cop in what is now Myanmar. He later about how Imperialism and Colonialism make one believe they're doing the right thing when they are really just oppressing the natives.
he was a socalist, he became disilusioned by it after fighting in the spanish civil war,
exceeeept towards the end of his life he became more right-wing
He was, but in the end he became more of "classical liberal", which is "conservative" by English standard.
and I was traumatized by mufasa's death, it's a miracle, I'm not a monarchist
You probably are. Just don't know it. May not be the typical monarchist with an overt king, but you probably have no problem with someone even more powerful than a king, a billionaire or their Sauron sized smaller cousins hundies (hundred billionaires).
@@jmitterii2 Pov: You're holding on to a dying ideology
lead poisoning was a factor too
Check out Curtis Yarvin, he makes a strong argument for it.
I think you mean 'mufasa'
"He wanted Healthcare and apparently in America that makes you a communist." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Pigrulerperson yeah, and he fought on the side of the republic in the spanish civil war around 1939
Can’t fault your thinking because you are Soaicalist and we know you have no choice in the matter.
You get what you pay for. There would be zero medical discoveries with out an incentive of income. No one works for free
Not sure about medical discoveries only being found through financial gain and not out of care for self and others.
@@LL-vj5yp most medical research is funded by government grants, not private funding. The profit incentive of discovering new treatments is a bad faith argument against adopting universal healthcare.
Little mistake: you said Lenin overthrew the tsar. However, the tsar was put out of power by a temporary democracy in February. Lenin took power in October because the war was continuing, so not only because of famines. Great video BTW.
@@Viki1999 oh my bad sorry
Russia didn't have "temporary democracy"... The provisional government were members of duma that were appointed members. Russia didn't have any democracy until Yeltsin and then Medvedev briefly.
@@mikhailv67tv lmao imagine believing that read up on the 1993 constitution crisis or on yeltsin 8% approval prior to his landslide victory in 96 and medvedev is Putin’s puppet
@@personbob8691 He's ended up that way, by the looks if things quite currupted but i dont believe he started that way. He had an agenda of social and government reform . He made substancial police reforms for instance, sacking many corrupt officers and professionalise the ranks. I remember the optomism when i visited
@@mikhailv67tv the manufactured optimism u mean the lies that were made to support yeltsin as I said he had 8% approval rating before his landslide victory in 96 the economy was trash under him and most people had wanted to keep the ussr but he destroyed it and he gave money to allow for the modern oligarchy and he had immense corruption
He truly was great lol
It is required as middle-high school reading, as well as 1984.
The United States had at least anti-communist education in the school.
I went to school in Sweden, we did not learn anything about the evils of communism. I learned that on my own.
I love how they got you to read 1984 where he explicitly says that “thus they destroyed the very principle Socialism used to stand for” - he literally says Ingsoc is not Socialist, just socialist in name
Weird, I read Animal Farm but not 1984
@@gerardbuttigieg
From Emanual Goldsteins
Theory and Practise of Oligarchical Collectivism
Note his inspiration is Leon Trotsky
@@gerardbuttigieg
I've noticed the people who try and claim Orwell was anti-Socialist perfectly demonstrate what Orwell meant when he said facts don't matter in politics.
Finally! An analysis about animal farm that doesn't just boil down to "communism ackhctually bad"
Who in their right mind analyses Animal Farm and gets that conclusion. The book very clearly isnt against the idea of socialism but against the authoritarian turn it took in the USSR. At least thats how i interpreted it as a kid when i read it
@@td23asus Thats why anarchists and those leaning that way are such utopians, stuck in idealism.
Socialism is always authoritarian.
The 80's Wolf yeah cause the Marxist-Leninists did a great job uniting the global proletariat and creating a socialist world. Oh wait those State Capitalists just scared off the workers into the arms of Social Democracy and Welfare Capitalism. The reason Marxist-Leninists fail is because they are too Statist and for centralized bureaucracy. Remember Kronstadt. When ever workers wanted a decentralized more localized commune, as in the Paris Commune they were suppressed as “counterrevolutionaries.” Even Marx who was libertarian at heart thought the heavily Proudhonian Paris Commune was the workers social revolution he was advocating for his whole career. And he also supported Democratic Socialism as a viable revolutionary methods in the most industrialized worlds. Leninists and the other State Socialists are revisionists of Marxism. Just ask Rosa Luxemburg. Socialism is from below and decentralized.
@@blackflagsnroses6013 You are a utopian, not scientific.
Ah, the film adaptation, the CIA psyop that was a mandatory part of our school education back in the 80s.
you make it sound so sinister. i rather think that animal is a cautionary tale like Orwell's other books, he didn't only bash communism you know.
Yeah, but when the CIA bought the movie rights and produced the adaptation, they exercised their creative control to change a bunch of details from the book specifically for propaganda purposes.
@@MrSafer I think the most important and relevant lesson from Animal Farm is the "recidivism of tyranny" -- the idea that revolutions against oppressive systems can be corrupted from within, becoming just as if not more oppressive than the regimes they overthrow.
sunyavadin I watched the movie and honestly it’s awful at being propaganda. It never states that the revolution was a mistake and instead calls for a second revolution to replace those of the first. It never says the farmer was right. I think the CIA fucked up xD
I watched the movie, and read the book in my sophomore class 2 years ago lmao
I was in a stage adaptation of Animal Farm with my local youth theatre when I was like 15 (I played Snowball, if anyone was wondering). I'd kill to do it again, since now I have such a deeper understanding of class struggle and Marxism, also especially after seeing this video!
I don't think Orwell was anti-revolutionary (at least not always he may have changed over time idk). He was a Trotskyist and fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM a Marxist organization and loved the way Barcelona became proletarian in the early years of it. But towards the end of that war the Spanish Communist Party (who were being supported by Stalin) called for the POUM's arrest and expulsion from Spain. This may have been the start of him being salty against the USSR under Stalin.
Also I've generally seen most people interpret Snowball as Trotsky, at least that's how my teacher in school talked about it when we covered the book in school.
He was an anarchist, actually.
@@alexr6705 he fought with the POUM, a Trotskyist organization in Spain and was a member or the Trotskyist Independent Labour Party in Britain, weird things for an anarchist and not a Trotskyist to do. He might have like what he saw of the anarchists in Spain and expressed that in Homage to Catalonia as well as elsewhere, but to my knowledge he was never himself an anarchist.
Actually, correction: in the 1930s it had many Trotskyists join it but the ILP was not itself an inherently Trotskyist organization, being more just generically Marxist throughout its time existing, it had several different kinds of Marxists involved in it throughout that period from 1900-ish to the 70s when it disbanded to become instead a leftist pressure group in the larger Labour Party.
@@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot Orwell first attempted to join the International Brigades, but the leader of the British Communist Party disliked him so he contacted the ILP instead.
Just because a film is animated doesn't mean it's for children. Many of the early cartoons had adult themes. Parents make this mistake over and over again. In the book, Snowball wasn't killed, he was just driven away. When Napoleon is looking for traitors for his show trial, four of the pigs who opposed a longer working day are executed along with the rebellious hens.
To be fair: the Donkey could always read in the books. He was cynic and usually considered nothing worth reading; THOUGH like many cynics he loved to be around simple idealists like Boxer the Horse and they were best friends (I think cynics often WANT to be proven wrong, provided it's by someone like Boxer who won't rub it in afterward). So HE certainly new what the truck said on the back...
I’m an American & I had to read Animal farm twice for school. 1 time was in 5th grade at a private Catholic school in 1985/6 & the teacher explained it as representing the Soviet Union & how they never achieved the utopia promised, but also explained socialism as an achievable practice, but warned of corruption. I was in public school from the 6th grade on & I think it was the 9th grade when I read this again. The teacher that time taught it as anti communist propaganda. Some Catholics were based during the Reagan years, because they knew he was ultimately responsible for all the murders of Catholics in South America. I wish I stayed with my grandparents & continued Catholic school …although it certainly had draw backs
💚 I found this channel a few weeks ago & I’ve been watching the old videos & I love all of them.
If you somehow see this thank you, & anyone else that could be involved🤷♂️, for you’re work!
I went through highschool in Spanish Springs, Nevada. One of the years in which I was required to read Animal Farm, our English teacher had to take leave 3/4 way into the year for the birth and labor of her child. Our class was assigned a substitute teacher at this time in the middle of our reading of Animal Farm. Our substitute teacher was elderly, possibly in her 80's. Our class then proceded to take advantage of the fact that we had a senior as a substitute teacher by telling her for five or six weeks straight that we had yet to see the Animal Farm animated film. We watched the Animal Farm animated film for those five or six weeks to the individual amusement to all of the class. Perhaps the substitute even got some time to prepare for the next lesson for our class.
I'm a tankie and I interpreted the animals taking away the axes and reigns as disarming the workers as well as undoing the Tsar. It's also against corruption and implementing Mao's ideas of criticism and self-criticism to keep the state in check by the eyes of the people so it doesn't get full of itself and ahead of the people. They couldn't speak out part because they couldn't read, and Mao worked so hard to increase literacy he overhauled the Chinese language
@Cian Abroad Collectivisation began Kong before Mao came into power.
In poland we are also required to read the book in school. If i recall correctly i was like 10 when they had us read it
Did you understand that Orwell is the best writer in the world? That is perfect English.
@@carlajenkins1990 we were upfront told whatvthe book is about etc. but still i was just 10 and could not care more.
@@sekritdokumint9326 Did you study in English or Polish? That is the best use of the English language. "Clear writing leads to clear thinking."
@@carlajenkins1990 In polish
I read it when I was 14 or something, didn't understand it at the time. This explains it really clearly, thanks
You are the only person I’m subscribed to with notifications. Thank you for the vast historical knowledge. I have read the gulag archipelago , 1984, animal house, studied stallin, Lenin, and I could not place exactly who the Bolsheviks were or exactly the role they played. You explained it simply in all of 20 seconds. You the man
Like 3 years ago my school forced me to read this book im glad i got ur analysis
Orwell, what a joke. Never has there been a more accurate quote to describe the "free" world than "all animals are equal, just some more equal than others".
That was the joke. It was a critique on communisms idea that all comrades are equal.
Not going to lie, you made me jump at 17:41. Thanks for that.
lol
I'm not sure how true it is but I actually heard that the book animal farm is actually banned from most college campuses in America.
Not true at all.
I think that the rebellion of the birds symbolizes the actions of kulaks who were in opposition to the collectivization of agriculture.
You my friend are a great analyst, historian and a teacher as well. You out did yourself on this one 👏🏾
19:20 Stalin had multiple meetings *immediately* after the invasion. Seriously, dude had like 90 hours of meetings within the first week of the invasion! I'll link the source vid when I find it after watching this.
ever find the source vid? i'm interested
I'm kind of curious too, got a link?
Where can I find the poster you have as a background?
@@Viki1999 thanks!
I've really been liking your videos since I started watching you. Thank you for crafting such entertainingly educational pieces of art!
This will save GENERATIONS of middle and high schoolers. Sad I didn't get to appreciate this, but the future definitely will.
The scene with Benjamin crying out for what was really his ONLY friend hit me so hard, every time I see it.
1. Stalin didn't have to prohibit anyone else from voting or anything like that, he had his agents and they'd just kill off anyone who was against him, or put them in gulags. It didn't have to be said out loud.
2. In the book the song WAS prohibited. I don't remember how exactly but there was a line like this. I think it was just said to the animals who were singing it, that they can't sing it anymore.
Never read it in school in the 70s. Great analysis.
You have only 1 like
My AP English teacher was a pretty based Trotskyist with some slightly reactionary social views, so she was always pointing out how great Trotsky was during our reading of this book and how he most directly and reasonably continued Marxist thought. She did this in vague and veiled language adhering strictly to the allegory so she wouldn't get fired, but it was easy to pick up on with my (at the time) rudimentary knowledge of leftist theory, tendencies and culture. Pretty epic ngl
Trotsky was seen as an alternative to Stalin in trendy leftist circles when it became obvious how bad he was. I'm not sure Trotsky was much better.
If you're referring to the Bloody Sunday in 22nd January 1905, where you quoted "he ordered his army to shoot into a crowd of peaceful protesters." However, (in spite of the various acts he committed) the Tsar did not give the order to fire on the crowd, but was wildly blamed for it shortly after, leading to a number of strikes across the country and the 1905 revolution.
"Four legs good, two legs bad"
Monkeys: Am I a joke to you?
Wel done! Genuinely didn't know that there was cia involvement there and will check on that later.
Would love an analysis of Ursula le guin's works
The movie actually made some realistic improvements, it actually makes more sense that they *can* read, because the Soviet Union achieved full literacy. It makes sense that they can read the sign on the death wagon and such.
That's not such a traumatizing scene when you think about it. Disney has been doing that same thing for years. Bambi, Dumbo, Lion King, Nemo, Inside Out, Up. It may actually be more common than not.
I feel like you missed a lot of the book. Like clover crying about how times seem to be worse than they ever were, and the sheep blindly following the pigs to the point that they drown out all arguments. That could be akin to shutting down arguments because you dont agree with them (which we see a lot of today)
Between this channel and three arrows I don't know how it happened but thank you youtube algorythm for taking me to the germanic leftist intellectual part of youtube
1:50 well it seems like he’s kinda a revolutionary after reading Homage to Catalonia
"Orwell was not a fan of revolution" depends what time in his life you're talking about. Check out Homage to Catalonia!
Its weird to say that Orwell was "anti-revolutionary." Just read his own book, "Homage to Catalonia," where he praises the anarcho-syndicalist revolution in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War.
He was a snitch for the british government.
@@redenginner not really ; there’s this good independent article on it for some reason i can’t link it though
Snowball is Trotsky
You'd have to read Homage to Catalonia and his political essays, and also have some familiarity with his party, the Independent Labour Party, and some of his friends and comrades from that party and their politics, like Tom Nairn, to put his later life anti-Stalinism in context. The fact that the conduct of Stalinists in the Spanish Civil War was shockingly uncomradely and sectarian, and that the Spanish Stalinists actively persecuted other anti-fascists despite the greater need to stop the fascists, is undeniable, and merited hostility from other Marxists and democratic socialists who had experienced that uncomradely and perverse action in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe from the 1920s through the 1950s.
The democracy of the soviets was destroyed from the 1920s onwards. Soviets continued to meet, but they were no longer democratically elected or forums in which open debate was possible. As soon as Lenin outlawed other parties they became front organisations, whose decisions could be centrally dictated. Stalin streamlined that centralisation, but it was underway under Lenin, simply by the logic of forbidding other parties and party factions within the RSDWP-Bolsheviki.
NB The depiction of the pigs as the villains is somewhat problematic, as the kids say. Obviously there is an ancient tradition of use of pig metaphors in European antisemitism. The JudenSau etc. Jews being depicted as sows shitting out gold to refer to moneylending and rentierism in general. It's possible that George Orwell was unfamiliar with those particular tropes, but using pigs as villains, in place of the traditional English-speaking world referrant of "Fat Cats" to talk about wealthy elites is an unfortunate choice, especially given the Jewish identity of many leading figures in the CPSU, including Trotsky. Orwell was not an antisemite in his published opinions, had many Jewish comrades in the ILP and the Labour Party after the war, and hasn't been accused of any personal antisemitic behaviour in any of his associates' memoirs that I've heard of, but the usage of pigs in Animal Farm to depict Stalinists and Soviet apparatchik corruption remains a worrying mistake, in my opinion. It's an error that Art Speigelman managed to avoid in Maus, for instance, in which the Jews are mice, the Nazis are dogs, and it is Poles who are depicted as pigs, interestingly - neutrals as between Jews and Nazis.
Orwell the soCIAlist
@@spiderdijo7 Homage To Catalonia is a great read for any real socialist.
I got assigned this for school and didn’t read it. The assignment is due tomorrow 🕺
imean if were to be a little metaphorical Stalin put together a large base of support during his job as general secretary and used that to take controll
George Orwell was a socialist intellectual, but from what I have read from him(Animal Farm, 1984) he tend to have petit bourgeois type of contempt toward the working class, which is common among petit bourgeois intellectual.
But he know how to write I'll give him that.
This is photograph of him serving himself a proper tea in the trenches of Spain. But he did view the poor first hand, and lived as a poor person to see what it was like. He exposed the terrible conditions of the working class in the north of England.
So many movies about Animal Farm, when are we getting Homage to Catalonia?
There’s only 2.
I'm pretty sure Napoleon did outright outlaw the song, and i just finished listening to it... but i could obv be wrong. I can see why they'd leave it out of the movie but I figured he didn't want them to be called beasts
I’m shocked that the book is required reading in the USA. I wasn’t aware Americans could read.
I don't see Animal Farm as inherently anti socialism but more anti revolution, or more specifically anti short-sighted revolution, as if revolution isn't considering the long term then it tends to concentrate on the problem rather than the solution.
I reread the book a few days ago and I was drawn to how insistent Orwell is that Old Major is incredibly old and wise, only to then reveal him to be 12 in an almost comedic fashion. I believe this is meant to represent that no matter how old and wise we can hope to become, or believe we have become, one human lifetime will never be enough to gather sufficient context of human history to form such an arrogant claim that it's worth undoing everything achieved by an entire people/nation up to that point in the name of shaping society into the dream of one individual.
Obviously I am not making the arrogant statement that there have never been any just revolutions but more that revolution requires long consideration of where the tyranny lies and what can be done in the long term to ensure that it doesn't rear it's ugly head again, if the revolution is shortsighted the tyranny will only be displaced
Great video BTW, was having trouble filling in a few blanks regarding the historical events rather than the historical figures
I LOLed at work at “Apparently in America wanting healthcare makes you communist.”
😂😂 seriously though
Great video. You do however pronounce "animals" as "enemas" which is slightly disconcerting haha!
Fun fact, I’m a European conservative and I support free healthcare and so does every other conservative I know.
And by free I mean that everyone has access to healthcare but private healthcare can be set up and if you’re really wealthy you can pay for a better standard.
Turns out I’m a socialist.
Not at all. Conservatives in America don't support free healthcare here because free healthcare for the poor is already available but leftists want the government to completely control the healthcare system.
@@bigchungus920No Free Healthcare for the poor is not already available... That is simply not true
@@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 yes it is
F for trotsky
Bro I remember being FORCED TO READ THIS BOOK
the chickens are clucklaks
I respect George Orwell because he was a socialist yet saw the nightmare that comes from a one Party state. The greatest of these at the time of writing this novel was the Soviet Union. He saw the viscious and ruthless reality of Communism at first hand and rejected it while typical middle class liberals ("useful idiots") played the three wise monkeys to Soviet tyranny. Orwell's analysis of violent revolution and it's consequences (the tyranny of a small elite) is as relevant today as it was then.
To save someone 26 minutes = "Anarchist thinks Stalin bad"
He is bad
@@popsickle3549 Yea and Orwell was a butthurt snitch
@@The80sWolf_ and Stalin was horrible.
I trigger libs all day baby
The Iron Curtain was never really a thing. Even if you want to say that the Berlin Wall was, that was built in 61
Yes All Americans must study this book
I disagree with your assertion that watching traumatizing children's movies is what brought us boomers. From my experience it's the lack of exposure to things like this, Pinoccio, Dumbo, etc, that creates the worst type of boomer.
Honestly, the author is just a XXI century Western softy who probably was helicopter parented. And kinda factually wrong as well, considering that, for example, Soviet boomers grew up without those movies and people who were born after the 90s grew up on those movies. The results? Pretty much the same, boomers are retarded (like Americans but reversed) and millenials are dead inside. Also the boy doesn't realize that people in the past saw fucked up shit (by today's standards) on the daily basis for, like, the whole of history. Like, if you want some meat you go and kill something to get its meat, probably something that you've grew on your farm. And it wasn't that big of a deal.
LMAO this chart killed me 1:30
The seeds of revolution, often bear the same bitter fruit..
..Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Or, yet, possibly even worse.
We are still living like that....
Hello from mother Russia
~21:00 -- for God's sake, nobody tell Viki about Watership Down & The Plague Dogs
Thanks for covering this. ^^
I saw this movie as a kid, and I am a millennial (born in 1985). It was one of my favorites, to be honest. I don't know how I, an American kid that adored Animal Farm, turned out to be a Leftist, but here I am!
Orwell was mostly a libertarian socialist. The USSR executed anarchists pretty much from the get go and portrayed them as decedent drunks just like they were portrayed in the west. The USSR also had a key role in destroying the anarchism of Ukraine and Catalonia. It is only natural to have disdain for USSR if you are anti-authorian socialist.
exactly, Orwell didn't only criticize communism.
@@sakketin Bolsheviks were Makhno and Spanish anarchists' life support, anarchists tried to kill Lenin, anarchists and POUM Trots started the ultra-left May Days battles against the Republic that guaranteed fascist victory
Reading Homage to Catalonia I never realised Orwell was such a hero. Shot though the throat fighting fascists! How on earth is that not more widely known.
Napoleon WAS pretty bad lol
The hens being slaughtered alongside other opposants is the Moscow trials, I believe.
The anarchist notion of direct democracy without any state presupposes a world where classes are already completely gone, where there are no capitalist states and no bourgeois military apparatus. A state where all production is directly in the proeucers' hands and where there are no labour distinctions. Or, in other words, anarchism assumes a direct transition to communism in one stroke and is therefore utopian.
Nice one
I would claim that Orwell was a socialist and a revolutionary, just look at Homage to Catalonia.
You don't need to claim, Orwell himself said "every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
Ik this is late but you can also argue that this is based on the transitionary period between feudal society to a bourgeois democracy.
Old Major is a hybrid of Karl Marx and Lenin. Snowball represents Trotsky. Napoleon represents Stalin.
In my class when we read animal farm, the teacher was trying to explain why socialism was bad and everything was like wait, this doesn't sound too bad, its safe to say we didn't really get the meaning of the book
What incentive is there to create, invent, or produce in a socialist society? It's the select elites, then everybody else. Human nature inherently allows power to corrupt.
"It doesn't seem like he was a fan of revolution" 1:36
um he fought for the Republicans during the Spanish civil war? and when the Republican faction split he sided with the Anarchists?
Skimming the comments here quickly and I got a question for people commenting and saying "No Orwell isn't X since he did Y": You guys are aware of how time works right? Like you can do 1 thing and later realize you are wrong/change ideologies....
So my school is like 70% Ethnic Minorities in a working class area, so needless to say mostly socialist, and when we covered this book, the teachers just skipped past most of the curriculum saying “Napoleon is Stalin, Stalin bad alright next topic”
lol, i don't think any school any the us is "mostly socialist" lmao
@RED RED it's a pineapple. :¬
F for Trotsky.
F
F
F
F
Glad I found this, just gained a new follower
You can't be pro Lenin and anti Stalin.
Someone probably should have told Lenin that
Welcome to wacko world where words don’t mean anything.
What? That makes no sense
You can't be pro peepee and anti poopoo
_"Stalin didn't assassinate Lenin…"_
🤔 Are we sure about that? Lenin was recovering from his stroke, and had even recently gone on a hunting trip. Then party leaders started visiting him at home and he started getting worse again. The last such visit was the night before he died. 🤷♂
11:13 yes, although Lenin was not directly killed by Stalin; Stalin did kill Lenin’s vision of communism by sabotaging his will. Lenin wanted trotsky to take over and ordered Stalin to deliver the message to trotsky, however Stalin sabotaged it and told the communists that Lenin had declared him his successor. Napoleon sending the dogs may represent the death of Leninism and Trotskyism rather than a particular person
0:07 that looks like Mosley.
i feel like snowball is definitely trotsky
The problem is that people try to paint everything in black and white. His early life was outspoken support for democratic socialism. His involvement in the Spanish Civil War opened his eyes to the complexities of the political situations of war and it was noted he found it frustrating. He was able to gain a war position in WW2 and was reportedly very opposed Stalin regime. It is noted that between 1943 - 1945 he still ran in his usual left circles including his writing work, however he now also had prominent right side political minded friends as well. Probably an indication of what changed for him after his first hand experience in WW2 and the Spanish Civil War and also normal life changes that happen as we grow. He also had his personal views challenged and slight change in his views when the situation with the "N" party in Germany happened. I think it was around this time as well that he changed his public political stance moving to a more independent left view. This is why there is so much debate about what he stood for and what his books were about, perhaps he died still as strong for Democratic Socialism, or perhaps the repeated situations of being faced with complex political situations, with murky waters, actually broke his fantasy version of some socialist utopia being possible as it was plain to see that the three major situations he faced proved over and over that there is no clean and clear playing field and even if there was then it will be corrupted by the power of the leadership (human nature).
Lenin also believed in socialism in one country.
"Thirdly, the victory of socialism in one country does not at one stroke eliminate all wars in general. On the contrary, it presupposes wars. The development of capitalism proceeds extremely unevenly in different countries. It cannot be otherwise under commodity production. From this it follows irrefutably that socialism cannot achieve victory simultaneously in all countries. It will achieve victory first in one or several countries, while the others will for some time remain bourgeois or pre-bourgeois. This is bound to create not only friction, but a direct attempt on the part of the bourgeoisie of other countries to crush the socialist state’s victorious proletariat. In such cases, a war on our part would be a legitimate and just war. It would be a war for socialism, for the liberation of other nations from the bourgeoisie. Engels was perfectly right when, in his letter to Kautsky of September 12, 1882, he clearly stated that it was possible for already victorious socialism to wage “defensive wars”. What he had in mind was defense of the victorious proletariat against the bourgeoisie of other countries."
-Lenin
so what happen after 2nd rebelion?
he fought with the revolutionary's in Spain and he was an anarchist not a socialist, he even wrote about it called homage to catalonia
He identified himself as democratic socialist.
you forget about the black cat death by the dog
Art is subject to interpretation
He did fight in catalonia
I'd say Snowball is only Trotsky. Old Major is a combination Lenin + Marx (+ maybe Engels too).