The History of Mordor & Mount Doom | Tolkien Explained
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- It is a land surrounded by three mountain ranges, guarding an unspeakable evil within. While it would not become the dwelling of the dark lord until the Second Age, it’s origin lies in a darkness long before.
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Even if I already know like 90% of most of the things you say in your videos, it’s always so nice to just see it compressed with sentences and pictures in the backround. You really make history books become real, thankyou
I feel the same way. I’ve always loved researching Tolkien’s legendarium and reading all the books on it, but sometimes it’s good to just sit back and listen and hear it all in one easily understood video.
I especially enjoyed the background music in the videos. It adds so much.
Exact same way with Star Wars Theory 😂😂
As someone who has absolutely no idea what he’s saying or what he’s talking about. For some reason I enjoy it too.
I honestly love getting a recap on some stuff I could have missed or forgotten! These videos are great, I agree
Always love these, I wonder what mordor ended up being like in the 4th age. I enjoy the videos a lot, big fan.
Yes. The details about Aragorn's freeing of the slaves in southern Mordor was news to me.
Agreed, Eternal Darkness. The guy making this series is knowledgeable and entertaining. There is MUCH more to Tolkien's lore than The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Tolkien was both master and Father of high fantasy.
@@sean9448 indeed he was, he also formed part of my childhood
It became south London.
@@NassRedjem 🤣
As cheesy as it may sound, I always believed that after Sauron’s demise, all or most of Mordor, due to the now-ended constant volcanic activity of the land and the dispelling of the evil presence that possibly polluted the land, would eventually become a vast land of lush green and so many flowers, something utterly beautiful and breathtaking despite its fell past. Scientifically, anyway, it could be possible.
I guess so. Is Volcanic earth meant to be very fertile?
@@michaelblower7363 It actually is. It makes for very fertile land. I’m pretty sure volcanic activity has something to do with why Hawaii, for example, is so beautiful.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days Hmm interesting. :) I guess it would explain the lush greenery.
I guess that would be a nice nod to a possible Mordor turning into a paradise land! ^_^
@@Florence9a9machine It is, isn’t it
As long as there are no evil creatures who deliberately create wasteland around themselves, lands may heal.
I really enjoyed your perspective on this keep up the good work!
Well done as always. Thank you
Such a scary place!
I love it!
Thank you I’ve been waiting for a video on Mordor
This is now my fav Lord of the rings channel
Lovely channel ❤👍
This one is too fast for my taste. None of the information sinks in before you're onto the next thing. Needs a little bit of timing to ruminate on the more on the wordy parts, and some separation between large lengths of time so one can properly grasp the timeline.
Usually you do all of these things quite well, but this one is just rapid fire information at your usual cadence.
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In the RoP Mount Doom only sleep. The volcano has been sleeping for centuries. The key/sword does not create the Mount Doom but reactivates it.
In non-canonical Rings of Power, Orodruin is completely dormant, and erupts only after water from the Sea of Nurnen flows into it. In Tolkien's canon Legendarium, Morgoth creates Mount Doom for his own nefarious purposes. The land of Mordor is ash and barren long before Sauron arrives there.
Also, pretty sure I read somewhere that Mordor lay roughly where the the Lamp of Ormal crashed to the Earth.....the event that most likely created the Inland Sea.
I desperately wanna see a movie or proper series of the first age.
i'd prefer a series. more time to pay attention to detail and allow room for the story to play out as it should.
Not gonna happen anytime soon.
despite a lot of haters, i like how the rings of power series interprets how mordor went from a regular green country to how mt. doom (and the orcs, er uruks, pardon me) changed it so quickly and thoroughly.
I didn't know that Orodruin was Melkor's doing. I suppose the Valar couldn't have remedied all the ruinous works he did before the Elves awoke. That's where the Misty Mountains came from too, right?
Can't remember where I read it, but I believe Mordor was created by Melkor as a natural fortress for Sauron which is why it is shaped so squarely. It may have been a fan theory, but it is one I like.
That's correct. Melkor raised them to hinder Oromë's riding through Middle Earth.
I'm not sure if this has been recommended or done but for your What if series, what if Frodo threw the ring of power in without gollum? could gollum have found redemption? what would his life have become?
Gollum would have died instantly, as he was over 500 years old. Only the Ring was keeping him alive.
Bilbo didn’t die instantly and he was nearly 150
That won't happen because no one can resist the One Ring. It means no one can throw it onto Mount Doom by their own will.
@@jacoblane320 Bilbo was 128 years old when the ring was destroyed, and he was instantly aged. But he didn't die because Hobbits can live that long. The Old Took lived to 130.
Soooo cool ❤ ty
I’ve always wondered…is it on purpose Melkor’s avatar looks like Jude Law? If so…why??
Wait, wait, wait, wait... it wasn't unlocked by a key-sword that erupted in Galadriel's face and covered Mordor in cheeto dust? *mind blown*
Bruh....
Hahahaha lol rings of power sucks ass
Definitely not gonna watch that trashfire, wtf
you beat me to this haha
No no your wrong some hobo put a sword in a mountain and created mount doom and Mordor obviously
Tolkien: Creates an entire language and names characters and places with lyrical and magical names.
Also Tolkien: names the big, bad volcano "Mount Doom".
It also has an Sindarin name tho and probhably one in Quenya and even the Black tongue
Thats kinda the point, how cultures see the world and their names for it. Men only know it as a sign of evilm Mt Doom. Same with how the Rohirram call Lorien the Elfwood because they see Elves as strange and dangerous.
😂 though Mount Doom comes from Amon Amarth which means hill/mountain of fate/doom so its not quite as goofy as when first seen.
Orodruin....
@@Don9872 He thought he was flexing but merely showed himself to be the dollard he truly is.
I remember when I first saw a map of Mordor I was intensely interested in the great lake of Nurnen and the lands around it after only seeing the ash lands to the NW. Never knew the lake was salt water though!
The International Astronomical Union names all mountains on Saturn's moon Titan after mountains in J.R.R. Tolkien's work. In 2012, they named a Titanian mountain "Doom Mons" after Mount Doom.
In the real world, the Italian volcano Stromboli was the inspiration for Mount Doom.
The Swedish death metal band Amon Amarth is named after the Sindarin translation for Mount Doom.
That’s pretty damn awesome
Would have been even cooler if they named the mountain of Titan Orodruin Mons though. It has a certain oomph to it (as one would expect from a language expert).
They also named a nebula after Sauron
🤘
There's also a plethora of black metal bands inspired by Tolkien.
...we hates it.
This is why I loved the Shadow of Mordor game as you travel to more fertile parts of Mordor like Nurn.
same, whilst obviously not 100% lore accurate (and its not even close) i still LOVED the story and the fact that we got to feel what it was like travelling around mordor, whether or not its what tolkein intended im too uneducated to know, but it sure as hell was a unique and amazing experience nevertheless.
That game was great, it was cool seeing Celebrimbor and some unexplored stuff from the visuals we had at that time. Cant wait to see where RoP goes with the story.
huh, I never made it that far in that game but your comment makes me want to haha. I'm not into combat games and it got too hard for me, so I let it go :P
@@Kait2478 Yeah, I found it starts off really hard until you level up and get better equipment and abilities. By the end of the game battling the orc plebs is a breeze and actually enjoyable. Worth sticking with.
As a fan of the books and movies. As well as rpgs, should I try out shadows of Mordor?
Thats not true! Everyone knows that you need to insert a key first.
Volcanic ash rendering the southern parts of Mordor fertile is a really nice, realistic detail that I appreciate very much. It shows in a very subtle way that the best efforts of the dark forces to destroy and corrupt have, in fact, turned into something that invigorates life. Conversely, the Elves' best efforts to preserve and sustain (the great rings of power) ultimately turned into a method of domination and corruption. Nothing is permanent and trying to keep it that way will only come to slap you in the face later on, that kinda thing?
To me it gives a whole new meaning to the words in the Silmarillion, "For he that attempteth this (changing the foundational music of the world) shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined."
The elves didn't create the rings for their own good purposes, but were hoodwinked by a nice guy called "The Lord of Gifts" . Once they suspected his treachery, they created 3 beautiful secret rings without him, as he snuck away to make a boring secret ring of evil, then came back to steal the other 19 (getting only the 16 he already corrupted) .
For a place called Mordor it had surprisingly few doors!!
It makes up for that by having an absolutely massive door
@@Spiderfisch One door to rule them all
@@MemphiStig One door to find them
@@MemphiStig this door shall not pass!!
@@Prometeu21 one door to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Frodo and Sam are on their way to mount doom to destroy the ring when they reach the black gate, only to find that it’s closed.
And Frodo says “damn I wish there were mordors”
Get out. And take your like with you.
Unless you're a dad, that's illegal
Nice
Best worst LoTR dad joke ever...😑👾
Ha haaa!
So the creation shown in "Rings of Power" isn't true to Tolkien's vision.
Nah. Amazon's works are merely inspired by JRR Tolkien's writings, and that's it. 3000+ years of the Second Age of Middle Earth compressed into 5 years was one of the first things Amazon announced, so we've known for a while it would not be a part of lore or any form of canon. Keep in mind that Jackson's movies aren't canon either, only inspired works of JRR Tolkien's original writings.
Maybe the volcano was dormant for along time seeing how old the land is? And Sauron knew the volcano needed some water so he could use it later. The dude is a blacksmith so this wouldnt be out of his element.
@@Senzuebean Nah don't defend Amazon like that
@@Solarnova Jackson's films are WAY more accurate than ROP. One takes a few liberties, the other bares no recognition beyond the names of a few characters and locations.
@@jacobrogers2906 bullshit, both PJ and Amazon is making fanfiction. I personally enjoy both. but honestly: none of them is worse or better when it comes to making material true to the lore. One exception: The Hobbit. that shitshow was just.... yeah, bad, really bad... It was like they just threw the book out the window and just said: Lets just wing this one! And then go on making the biggest action Jackson shitshow ever made, literally saying fuc# you! to everything Tolkien ever wrote.
WHAT THE F ? IT WASNT CREATED BY A OLD HUMAN COOK WHO STUCK A RIVER IN LAVA???
wait.. it wasn't called the Southlands and Mt Doom didn't have an on switch?
Cry more please as it's hilariously pathetic.
Shhh.. dont tell Amazon and its 12 year old fan fiction writers
@@lulululu8045 Another No-Life Troll crying. Typical.
The Southlands... lol. I just imagine that is what the people actually living there would have called it, but when Galadriel & others call it the Southlands, I just roll my eyes. It was never called that. What was so wrong about calling it Nurnen, Nurn, Helcar, or just plain old Lands of Mordor. Oh right, Amazon never had the rights to anything outside of the Appendices to the Lord of the Rings.
@@Solarnova The Shadow of War games were closer to the source material when it came to Mordor and its different regions and that changed the lore so much that Shelob could shapeshift into a human woman but at least it had Annatar and rings of power and Celebrimbor wasn't an old man wearing his grandmas drapes.
The Amazon showrunners should have subscribed and learned from this channel all about the LOTR lore...rather than acting as if they own it.
It's almost as if Amazon is getting back at the Tolkien estate or only letting them use the Appendices of the Lord of the Rings instead of the actual Silmarillion and other books where The Second Age of Middle Earth material actually comes from.
*Rings of Comedy.*
*1 Billion Dollar for Great Memes.*
*What a total shitshow.*
say what you want about Sauron. He was an early proponent of regenerative organic nonGMO farming.
Wow it’s almost like Mordor already has a history and doesn’t need to be rewritten by a large corporation. 🧐🧐🧐
Another No-Life Troll crying. Go fig.
Imagine if Tolkien had written that a barkeep is responsible for the eruption of Orodruin in the Second Age....
So it's not like the show then?
Not at all.
And after a very good video like this one, are you still going to say « Rings on Prime is an amazing serie TV » ? Be carefull Halbrand is watching you ^^
Cry more please.
Good timing!
Exactly
I was just about to say this. Nerd of the rings is on fire!! ❤️🔥
*coughs*thats what she said*coughs*
Another beloved Tolkien lore that will be ruined by that Amazon $1 billion clown show Rings of Power 🤣🤡🤡
Another No-Life Troll constantly crying about ROP. Who would've thought? But, hey, thanks for proving that you are the true 🤡.
You mean Mount Doom wasn't formed by unlocking an Indiana Jones secret door with a sword hilt, unleashing a river into underground lava? lol
Impeccable timing. And oh, not forgetting how great the narration is!
better than ep6.
These videos are great, but make me sad.
I was so looking forward to the rings of power show............and they just efed the lore all to hell.
It's really cool how the ring technically killed Sauron. Frodo failed to resist it, Gollum fought Frodo to take it back, and in that struggle it fell into the only place it could be destroyed.
Its a great representation of the inner struggles we all face
Sauron wasn't fully killed.
@@nathanscovell2895 how come ?
@@budi22 he was banished into the immortal prison where Morgoth was so basically both od them had to dwell in this eternity Prison
Exactly. The idea is that Sauron's own curse on the ring was his undoing. Very fun writing.
Half of the places' names in this video are Black Metal bands/albums/songs.
There's a reason for that!
0:40 So Mordor wasn't created because some old guy put a sword into a key hole and water gushed out into lava?
So, Mount Doom wasn't created by pouring water into lava? Go figure.
You forgot to mention that Mordor was once underwater, as its location is towards the Northern end of where the Inland Sea of Helcar once lay. Indeed, I think the Sea of Rhun might be all that is left of that once vast body of water.
This. And also there was located Cuiviénen, whence the Elves first awoke.
So Mount Doom is once an underwater volcano during the First Age huh.
Looking at some map from that era. I can see that Mordor or a portion of it would be underwater.
After the War of Wrath, the world was reshaped with some areas from geological perspective dramatically shifted in a single day. The once great inland sea of Helcar was reduced to a large open plain with the Sea of Nurn and Rhun being the remnant of it.
@@rogueascendant6611 Not just Mount Doom, but The Ash Mountains (Mordor's Northern Border), that now separate these two seas (And any rivers that flow into them) from each other.
I always envisioned that Mordor was a basin, which is why it has three near perfectly shaped mountain ranges around it. It's very, very low as a result of it once being Helcar. The War of Wrath caused it to drain out eastward, and in time (or through unnatural means) the mountains that formed the rim were raised up even higher.
I read that recently too, but that makes the fact that the land and the mountain were claimed by Morgoth in the First Age really disjointed.
Also after Morgoth’s defeat at Thangorodrim, Sauron fled towards Mordor; would it have still been underwater at this point? If it was, how would he have known to flee to a land to reside that wasn’t there yet?
The only thing I can think of that makes it both make sense is that Mordor wasn’t fully underwater, but the Sea of Helcar stretched from Cuivienen to the eastern fringes of Mordor’s lands, enough for Mount Doom to essentially be across from Cuivenen.
Mount Doom was created by Adar with a bunch of orcs digging water tunnels. This is wrong.
MT Doom was created by Melkor/Morgoth in the first age. The eruptions of Mt Doom, that created the Orc lands of Mordor that Sauron would claim as his in the 2nd age, were created by Adar with a bunch of orcs digging water tunnels and a human turning a lock with a sword key to move a rock that opened a damn to let the water flow into the tunnels and down into the lava beneath MT. Doom....
@@charliedulin Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it wasn't called Mount Doom when Melkor originally created it. Back in the first age, it was known as Orodruin. They renamed it Amon Amarth, which translates to Mount Doom, only after the eruption. That's what I meant - Melkor created Orodruin, Adar created Mount Doom, though physically it's the same mountain.
Sauron: Ok, so how was this land created?
Witch King: old man who was a village bartender bigot, stole a fire sword and made the volcano erupt because he wanted to be right...
Sauron: ...Yeah... I'm just gonna take those scrolls and make something better...
Witch King: DAMN RIGHT
Nah you're wrong... Just get a starter key, (random Morgul Blade of no provenance in the lore usually does the trick) ... Depress the clutch and make sure the handbrake is on, turn into position 1, then turn to start... Apply a bit of choke if it's a cold morning in Mordor... Voila !! Mount Doom !!
Everytime i see your videos I want to play shadow of war. Such a great game, whatever they changing lore, the atmosphere was like in lotr. And sauron looked so badass.
Far better than the RoP garbage. He is actually a badass in the game, so is Celebrimbor. To bad video game writers are better than what Amazon can come up with for $60mil an episode.
I always wondered, what happened to all the orcs and the rest of the army that didn’t die during the last battle. I know Aragorn forgave the Easternlings and the Hadurdin (idk how to say their name or remember it really lol) but what happened to the orcs? Did any of them survive?
Don't you just love that galadriel was the cause of the creation of mount doom in Rings of Power?
I never realized Sauron returned to Mordor in the Third Age during the Disco Era
You think morgoth created Mount Doom? Hahaha! You fool! It was obviously a shadow sword key releasing a flood into an underground lava cave
After the ring is destroyed and the black gate collapses, it’s the perfect opportunity for developers to move in and build a Walmart and a Starbucks on every corner… that would truly be a dark and terrifying time in Middle Earth. 😂😂😂
I would love it if you made a video dedicated to the petty dwarves. Their history, as well as the story of Mim and his sons!
Thank you for continuing making these videos based on ACTUAL Tolkien lore. Never change and never stop doing what you are doing.
So you mean to tell me Galdriel didn't create mount doom? Because an amazon series told me otherwise.
You must be wrong, Mordor was created by an innkeeper
So the R.O.P. show is just making up the story about "Beforedor, " because Morgoth created Oridruin, made it a volcano and turned the lands into a "black land" long before the 2nd age! Goodness! When will we get to Tolkien's stories in the series?
Anyway, great video as always!
@@Alexs.2599 amen
You will never get Tolkien's actual stories in the series. They have deviated so far from what Tolkien actually wrote that it is simply not possible.
@@istari0 Yes. Sadly, it's clear they don't WISH to make it his story. Smh
When I get to Heaven, I’m gonna have 743 questions. 43 for God. And 700 for Tolkien.
Excellent full background. I read The Hobbit in the mid 70s. Time to delve in again. Thanks for the enthusiastic spark.
wait... ever since i was a kid i've always thought cirith ungol was pronounced with the more 's' sounding start instead of 'k'
Great to see Mount Doom before the evil in The Rings of Power.
Morgoth escapes from the void & becomes executive producer of Rings of Power...
The Rings of Power TV: truly the darkest evil in Middle-Earth.
Those three mountain ranges always made Mordor look like a fortress to me. Did Melkor "build" Mordor as a "natural" fortress or did the evil lords just recognize these features as useful for a base?
Now now!! We all know that the First Orc drained all the water from Nurn into the mountain to create Mount Doom! Galadriel was there to witness it. Amazon said so!
🤣🤣
Galadriel was then killed by a pyroclastic flow. The End.
Who knew that Gandalf’s full name was Eugene Alexander Cindy Gandalf James Smith Brown
I can’t help but to wonder that J. R. R. Tolkien suffered from arachnophobia when he created these giant spiders, Shelob and Ungoliant as villains in Arda. I read somewhere that Tolkien was once stung by a tarantula as a child, but that memory faded, and he even saved spiders in his bathtub. But his children did not like spiders, and his son Michael particularly hated them, and in so using them in The Hobbit, the use of spiders helped to frighten him.
@nerdoftherings where can I find the artwork from 08:15 ? Absolutely love it
One does not simply walk into there.
Wonderful maps n depictions by artists, your informative dialogue and cadences are highly commendable . Thanks
Soo it was not made by an Innkeeper turning a dam-key??🤔😂
Random barkeep has already gone down into the Legendary Annals of Middle Earth histories (non-canon).
Sauron's choice of Orodruin must be because of the repository of Morgoth Ingredient, in the Volcano, used by Sauron as "mana" for his spells:
"It was this Morgoth-element in matter, indeed, which was a prerequisite for such ‘magic’ and other evils as Sauron practised with it and upon it."
"contrasted the nature of Sauron’s power, concentrated in the One Ring, with that of Morgoth, enormously greater, but dispersed or disseminated into the very matter of Arda: ‘the whole of Middle-earth was Morgoth’s Ring.’
"No doubt because Gil-galad had by then discovered that Sauron was busy in Eregion, but had secretly begun the making of a stronghold in Mordor. (Maybe already an Elvish name for that region, because of its volcano Orodruin and its eruptions - which were not made by Sauron but were a relic of the devastating works of Melkor in the long First Age.)" - History of Middle Earth.
Yep, this is the main reason why Sauron, despite anchoring his own might within the Ring, was able to increase his power while he wore the One.
So mordor and mount doom wasn't made by a sword stabbing a rock? AMAZON!!! YOU LIED TO ME!!!
Imagine JRR and Chris in their graves right now. Tossing and turning, endlessly, for the next 5 years. Will they ever have rest again?
Curious which tower rings of powers episode with the magic sword dam buster thing was put in by waldreg the clown lol
Mordor is not a nice place to live
Well Rings of Power already changed this Mordor origin.
It just errupted again after long time. It doesnt conflict with what is in video I think. The mount/volcano was there ans was used on first age.
Mordor is a lot like North Korea. Avoid.
This is all wrong now - Mordor was created by Waldreg 🤣
So if you were to walk all the way down the length of The Mountains Of Shadow to the end could you simply walk into Morodor
amazon just butchered mordor and geology lore XD
Do you think we will se the greath spider in Rings of power ?
I wouldn't put it past Amazon to present us with Shelob, offspring of Ungoliant, in the Second Age of Middle Earth, awakened by the sudden and unexpected eruption of Orodruin.
Hats off to you, brother. You're trying really hard to support Amazon's show. I hope you're properly compensated.
Neeerrrrrrd
I have a personal and completely unverified theory that most of Mordor is mountains and desert, like Nevada. Bilbo and Frodo know enough about its bordering mountain ranges to draw the map we see from the books they wrote (in universe) but the interior is also mostly mountains with valley areas in between. There is flat farmland in Nurn of course, maybe in valleys or maybe all in one big plain, hut the point is that there are a lot more mountains and valleys than we see on the map, maybe because people from the west don't like going there to explore it.
Incredible stuff I really enjoyed this. I would actually dig if there was a quiz at the end reviewing the main points.
I thought a collapsed dam created Mordor... :P :P
How could a name as short as "Narchost" mean "Bitter-Biting Fort"?
Elvish.
...Mordor...is that the island with Thomas the Tank Engine...?
That's Sodor, but I need that crossover now.
So, the way we see Mount Doom erupt (for the first time?) in ep6 of Rings of Power is just another inaccuracy, correct? Since Mount Doom and indeed all of desolate Mordor lands already existed thanks to Morgoth at this time in the S.A., correct or did I misunderstand this?
Correct. Don't trust RoP when it comes to Tolkien's legendarium. It aint canon and the series is a poorly written fanfiction.
Amazon's show is not lore or canon, only taking bits and pieces of 'inspiration' from Tolkien's works, and filling in the gaps with their own stuff. This is why I can watch the show, because it has absolutely NO effect on Tolkien's works. Same with Jackson's movies, which are also not canon or lore, but yes, much more accurate to the legendarium.
There is very little of Tolkien actually in the show. They are basically telling their own story with a thin veneer of Tolkien to attract an audience.
it all thanks to waldreg
should make 3 movies about this ..............
Thanks for this video just after the 6th episode of rings of power that violates so much the lore.
I agree as well it is pleasant to hear you speak of the history and tales of middle-earth. I for one would like to hear a reading of lords the rings by u or if not someone who enjoys the story and who speaks and reads with as much emotion as u do.😄😄
Good timing! Shadow of Mordor is 75% off on steam right now and Im replaying it, so this is really warm and fuzzy for me.