Worship Tech Tour | Wellspring Anglican Church (Sanctuary Renovation)
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The acoustic treatments = when the church and science play nice
i love that they did not let the tech get in the way of their church values. Great outcome in the end
We call that "Gear follows vision" in our Summit vernacular! Thanks for the comment!
This is what you should be doing. You should be following people around and letting the guys who know what they are doing talk.
Glad to be referred to as "the guy who knows what he is talking about." I feel like I am in over my head in a few different areas of this install, but I am learning every day.
@@WellspringEnglewood Hey in the patch bay, non patches are called "normal'ed"
Dang they spent a lot of money! I love how clean Summit designs their systems. They are the best in the industry in my opinion. With the LED wall they could make a macro, that does a Picture in Picture look for baptism or IMAG. Personally I don’t care how expensive Canon makes their PTZ heads, they still look like a glorified web cam. Jake I like this format, we just built a new building and I might do a similar video to show how a smaller church is reaching people through new tech.
Aaron - Totally agree with you about the PTZ Cams. Our intent was not to compete with broadcast quality $50k cameras. Not really our jam. But we are SUPER pleased with the quality of what you can get in a PTZ cam with these guys. I guess all said, what I meant to convey is that for a PTZ cam, they are dang good. But obviously, there are significantly better options for folks who are looking to spend a ton more money, man them with cam operators, etc. Totally agree about Summit...could not be more pleased with them. And we have worked out the macro stuff in the past few weeks, which is awesome. We now have a "baptocam" button, that does everything for us with one single press!
@@WellspringEnglewood You guys did a beautiful job! what was the overall budget/budget for Summit to be brought in?
Thanks for the support, Aaron! We always try to approach every job with the idea in mind, "how does the technology serve the church's vision?" and those PTZ cameras ended up being the best solution for the Wellspring community. Appreciate the comment!
@@WellspringEnglewood I agree with you on the quality of those cannon PTZ cameras. They actually look really good for what they are.
Why was there no mention of the glorious low tech vertical stained glass windows. I think they made what was described as a concrete bunker into a beautiful church. I loved how pure and clean the whole building was with no distractions and I agree that the camera system was just what was required, it's not a performance oriented church. Well done.
They reminded me rather of the new (1950s) Coventry cathedral down the road from here. Using the stained glass imagery on the LED wall was a great move that really tied the space together.
The original church in this building had individual families "adopt" each window and create bible stories in them. We have since gone through and captured all of the stories, and soon each window will have a QR code next to it where folks will be able to scan and read about each window.
@@WellspringEnglewood what a wonderful idea.
Wow this anglican parish is very different than mine. We have Gregorian chant, receive Eucharist kneeling and a large altar. Glad that Anglicanism has room for everyone.
Watched the whole thing! Some guys are tech boys but have trouble explaining/sharing terms. Jeff was just fantastic in helping us see and know why they chose their stuff. Thank you for this =)
I'm blushing. :)
Me Too! Thank you Jake!!
@@WellspringEnglewood This really inspires me, watched the whole video and even I took notes of everything I thought it was important for me. I'm from Argentina and I'm the sound/tech guy in my church, actually running a Yamaha mg16xu with peavey amps and speakers, two 18 inch subs and soon we going to upgrade to a line array system with crossovers and all that stuff. Just like you we are moving to a bigger building so it's a big challenge. All the effort to explain things in a really simple way that was put in this video really pushes me to a whole new level of creativity and imagination for making things happen and really take the flag of leadership in my ministry bc I'm really the only one that gets the job done as I didn't find (yet) someone with the same passion for all the tech or the job we all sound/tech/lighting guys do for our churches and specially to bring people to Jesus. Really enjoyed the video and every decision that was made for the building. God bless y'all, keep up! ❤️
That thumbnail is EVERYTHING!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice to see the promotion of congregational singing participation- able to hear their neighbours
Hadn't ever heard of the hearing aid t-coil thing! Pretty cool. I dig this kinda format for sure if you are able to have the room to yourself and just walk around with people like this.
T-coil has been around for decades. As a life-long hearing aid wearer and now a cochlear implant - it is an amazing thing. For musicians... many devices also now have a way to plug a 1/8 mic cable into a device and wirelessly transmit to the hearing device - I use mine as an IEM.
Be carefull with it though. We had one that ran underneath the stage and we had instruments picking up the signal causing a loop.
@@Herm-Jan Fair comment. That's why the neck loops are a nice option - reduces the chance of the signal being picked up by other devices. FYI: T-Coil is built in to pretty much any telephone in existence today, and that was the original use for it. On most devices, when the T-coil is activated, the devices microphones are deactivated (or in more modern ones, the user can select whether to deactivate them or merely reduce their volume). This makes it so that the wearer can focus on the phone or other audio without distractions. I had a loop system for my mobile phone back in the late 1990's - wore a loop around my neck and plugged the thing into the audio jack of the phone. Nowadays with bluetooth and other proprietary wireless protocols for hearing devices, there is a chance to be able to do the whole thing wirelessly. Nearly every hearing device, if not all, will support T-Coil though
@@JohnStegeman Do does the T-coil also work with al cochlear implants? Something I have every so often looked at but we don't have a large population of folks, really just one person, that have had issues hearing the sounds.
@@seancca Sean yup they do. I don't use my T-coil, but they are I think even required by regulation to be in a hearing device. Cochlear Implants are a "whole nother thing" - they are so different than a hearing aid; they require the brain to adapt, and everyone's brain goes through that adaptation (or doesn't, as the case may be) differently. The good thing about the T-coil approach is that it can block out all extraneous sound/noise other than what is coming over the T-coil system. Most CIs also have a wireless system (may cost the user some extra money) that, for example, the pastor can clip on a mic and it would transmit directly to the CI.
L’Acoustics approach is: “Great sound comes from one source.” So the subs behind the array brings a full range sound from one point and then the floorsub lowend is added to that for the really low.
Dude, Jake the new format works for me. I loved your bethel episode, but I'd rather see more tech tours than have the cuts, and effects. Also, this way we don't have to see you.
What a great renovation that compliments the original design... Well done!
Love the new format for tech tours. Has a vlog feel to it.
now i'm pretty sure i know less than 1% of AV installs.. Summit really is the Summit for these things! Great video Jake!
I discovered this channel a couple of weeks ago. It's my new favorite. It's so refreshing to see what's happening outside of my own church bubble and to show others how things can be done better.
"Too much work to edit that out." :D :D :D SUCH a good counter!!!
Really love the way the manage all. amazing.....
The Talkback box is very common in sports broadcasting. Booth announcer talk right to the producer using that talk box. Also did that on roving Golf producers with walkie talkies to producer.
This is a great video!! Thanks for this tour!
This is my favorite tech tour. Well done on the acoustics and problem solving to honor your values while crafting a very functional space. As a Littleton dude, I feel a Sunday field trip coming on...
8:30 and 10:30 - every Sunday. :)
Excellent. The high quality of the acoustic result was very very evident in the recording of this video, from the microphones. Superb result. What this proves is that with enough money, and thought, any room can be adequately treated.
The room clapped back 😂
Love seeing a decked out sacramental church!
That led wall is crazy
I think it would be really cool if they extended the brick from the cross down the led wall when they black it out.
This was great! Well done!
This is AWESOME!
Very nice!
You obviously put a lot of thought and finances into these systems.
Good for your leaders and Pastors for making the investment into delivering the word of God.
May God bless your efforts!
49:24 Customized PTT on Wireless Mic is exactly what i was thinking for 4 years. Imagine how useful is that.
BTW, thanks for the Video, it's very very useful and helpful for us as Sound Engineer in our Church in Indonesia. Especially the PTT pedals.
Thank You Very Much.
Love this space! What a transformation, thanks for the journey Jake
We recently acquired an old church building from the former Mars Hill that use to be an old National Guard Armory and we are slowly updating it.
This was next level. Simply amazing
Great stuff! Way beyond our level but helps stretch me and stirs creativity! Excellent job plus loved the end!
Great setup! Loved seeing that they use Atmosphere on their Nord to run their ambient pads! 😍(at 34:45)
WE LOVE OUR ATMOSPHERE!!!
@@WellspringEnglewood So glad to hear that it's serving you well!
great vídeo, gives us a lot of idea and a goal for our church. thanks.
So to answer a question earlier in the video, the LED panels are listed in "pitch" or "pixel pitch", which is the distance from the center of one led diode to the one adjacent to it.
One the Video Patch Bay, that is called "Fully Normalled" when the cable above normally sends it's signal to the cable below without a patch cable being inserted.
Hope this helps everyone!
Thank you! I could not remember "Fully Normalized" for the life of me!
My church is currently up grading the chapel which has wooden slanted ceilings. This video is a great to what I am trying to do. Thank you! Keep up the good work!
$20,000 in drum mics and triggers and the snare still takes a $50 SM57! Gotta love it! 👍
This is incredible!
I may have missed it in the area of how the online audio was mixed. I was expecting a sound mixing station in the basement control room. You can definitely hear the congregation in the online mix which is great and I presume that same ambient crowd mic feed is going into the in-ears on channel 17 if I remember correctly. I'd definitely want to visit to hear what the room sounds like - must be quite unique versus many other room architectures out there. I've visited Lakewood and a few other larger churches but this one would be interesting to experience.
We thought long and hard about adding a second console/studio for live audio production. When push came to shove, based on our values of in-person worship and a quality livestream, we decided to mix things from the FOH console, for a time. We can easily, via Dante, add a console, some outboard gear, and some studio monitors at the drop of a hat. But our goal with the livestream is not perfection...it is simply decent quality...and this can be achieved from the FOH board. We don't simply submix a mix. Instead, we use a series of groups that allow for some "customization" of the livestream mix to differentiate it from the house, but also allows for vocals and instruments to "follow" the house mix. So if a different person is leading a song and their vocal gets brought out front in the house mix, it also moves to the front in the livestream mix. But we can also use the "vocals" group that is specific to the livestream mix to bump up all of the vocals relative to the band, the drums, etc, just in that mix. Hope that helps!
where the Nord is, the Lord is
Booooo
Wow, this is amazing! Congratulations on all the hard work.
This is an excellent video. I enjoy the format.
Just for what it's worth. Kari Jobe's mic isn't custom. Its just the axient series. They sell that button to switch outputs off the shelf.
This is great! I like the format!
Good tech tour video, although I don't really do church, I learned something here. Good job!
Wow!!!
The room would Clap back in a very disturbing way haha. Mad funny!
Thanks
Awesome 👍
Great video. Wow that’s an expensive install! Did I miss the bit where they talked about the live stream mix? I didn’t see any mixing surface downstairs so are they doing the live stream mix in the sanctuary?? Seems a weird omission when you have spent that much not to have someone mixing the live stream sound in the nice quiet gallery downstairs. Or is there another room we didn’t see?
Amazing
What!!! No wing mixer 😂😂😂. The church is amazing btw.
You know the cable management is good when you go full Owen Wilson mode.
Great tour and very nice use of tech. My only confusion is for a guy who obsesses over cleanliness, that's a LOT of stands on the stage for the Avioms and all the iPad and iPhone stands. Knowing the songs front to back keeps your leaders' heads up in worship and not glued to a phone/tablet and also makes for a much cleaner stage. Also, Kari Jobe's mic is not custom made for her. It's a Sennheiser SKM 9000 COM, which has the "command" feature button that she presses to use it as a talkback mic. They retail for $3K for the transmitter alone (without capsule or battery pack).
"Full normal" is what he was searching for when describing the patch panel. The top rear jack signal goes to the bottom rear jack signal unless you plug something into the top jack on the front of the patch panel. Half normal is the same thing except the signal still flows to the bottom of the back of the patchbay when you plug something into the top patch point. I'm guessing it's full normal though based on how he was describing it.
Thank you!
You should try the Klang system.
It genuinely took me 30 seconds to realize that’s the same church from a few years ago. Look at the upgrade!
A lot has changed for us in a few short years!
7:00 my church was in a cinema, perfect acoustic BUT when we sing along I couldn't hear the other person's singing along.
Such a cool sanctuary!! Great job guys!
Just.... Wow
So inspired by this video! One question I had was what material the floor was, and how much that plays into the acoustic treatment of the space
Material of the floor is polished concrete. But with a room full of chairs, and all of our acoustic treatment, the floor doesn't hurt us at all. In fact, it allows folks to hear each other sing just a bit more, which is a high value of ours.
Absolutely amazing! Congratulations.
What is that great stage display solution? If it is a "Video Wall" which brand and model do you use?
Thanks Jake & Team Churchfront for such great content. I also enjoyed the format and approach of this tour.
Where the Nord is- the Lord is.
Hallelujah!
Great work Jeff and Summit. Love the production room desks. Who makes those?
Really enjoyed this video. However, the Throne Room Push-to-Talk pedal seems to be sold out everywhere.
Ordering one of those talk box things right now!
32:31 well if they're anglican, i hope they're baptizing babies! Definitely bumps your baptism numbers up haha
That video patch panel is configured "half-normalled" for the pre-patching. also immediately texted three worship pastors I work for to buy that stomp box and two did immediately lol!
So incredible! I did not hear how they mix their livestream audio. Do they run an Ableton template or run off the Avantis?
Wondering about this as well. Any special equipment or software for audio mixing to LIVE broadcast?
We thought long and hard about adding a second console/studio for live audio production. When push came to shove, based on our values of in-person worship and a quality livestream, we decided to mix things from the FOH console, for a time. We can easily, via Dante, add a console, some outboard gear, and some studio monitors at the drop of a hat. But our goal with the livestream is not perfection...it is simply decent quality...and this can be achieved from the FOH board. We don't simply submix a mix. Instead, we use a series of groups that allow for some "customization" of the livestream mix to differentiate it from the house, but also allows for vocals and instruments to "follow" the house mix. So if a different person is leading a song and their vocal gets brought out front in the house mix, it also moves to the front in the livestream mix. But we can also use the "vocals" group that is specific to the livestream mix to bump up all of the vocals relative to the band, the drums, etc, just in that mix. Hope that helps!
We thought long and hard about adding a second console/studio for live audio production. When push came to shove, based on our values of in-person worship and a quality livestream, we decided to mix things from the FOH console, for a time. We can easily, via Dante, add a console, some outboard gear, and some studio monitors at the drop of a hat. But our goal with the livestream is not perfection...it is simply decent quality...and this can be achieved from the FOH board. We don't simply submix a mix. Instead, we use a series of groups that allow for some "customization" of the livestream mix to differentiate it from the house, but also allows for vocals and instruments to "follow" the house mix. So if a different person is leading a song and their vocal gets brought out front in the house mix, it also moves to the front in the livestream mix. But we can also use the "vocals" group that is specific to the livestream mix to bump up all of the vocals relative to the band, the drums, etc, just in that mix. Hope that helps!
What font are they using for their liturgy? It's beautiful!
This video great, but it is important to note that T-coil induction technology has been around for years in hearing aids.
I wish they still made the Push To Talk! Mine went out and you can’t get them anymore. 😭
Watched the whole thing, got carsick the whole time 😂 - you guys need a gimbal.
Would really like to know what system they are using for the wireless, lanyard T-coil system... seems like a great approach.
ListenTech have a RF based Assisted Listening Device. The T-Coil is an option they sell that connects to their RF receivers. It’s very clever and skips having to dig up concrete to lay new wire. - Andrew from Summit.
Great tech tour and setup! What are they using for the multiview for the PTZ’s?
Switcher and video routers are all Blackmagic.
We did add a Decimator DMON-Quad for the dedicated PTZ multi view to let us free up resources from the switcher for a Live Stream, and LED wall multi view.
@@andrewstarke6625 thanks!
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Great video!! I was wondering what mics you used for crowd mics?
Great Tech Tour!!. Can you tell me the name of the Com System you use and how you got the bat phone to work with it?
Question: 11:20 Do you also delay your reference monitoring setup to be in sync with the FOH?
Yes!
Love the setup, but that concreate dust is worrying!
Those PTZ cameras weren’t bad
Since your using an A&H console why are you using Aviom's instead of the A&H ME1's. Since the ME1's are 40 inputs since the Aviom's in theory are 16 channels regardless the Aviom's are stereo. You can do stereo on the ME1's. On your video patch panel where you don't need to insert a physical patch cable from on video jack to another its called "Normal" it was started in recording studios in audio patch bays.
I’m all for tech. But when I church spend this much on technology how much is left for community outreach. Asking for a friend 😂
Anybody have any theories why they'd use Ubiquiti switches for their data network but use Cisco for Dante? Was that on purpose I wonder of was it "we just had these Cisco switches laying around so we just used those?"
What type of trusses are used for the lights? or is it just 2 inch conduit terminating to a plate?
23:40 Batphone (take my money) Where do I get that?
Whats the name of the company that did the acoustic treatment design? we need to fix some big issues in our church.
Ok I have a question what is the wall behind the LED screen what is that? Also where did you get the Drumshield from
“Baptismal” is a descriptive term, e.g. a “baptismal service” - the tub itself is a “baptistery.” One would expect someone ascribing to the (false, Eph:28-9, and any other Scripture that says “whosoever”) teaching that baptism is a condition for one’s salvation to know this…but then again, it is a common mistake.
What kind of wireless mics are you using? @Wellspring Church
What do you use to store video? Can you get more into transcoding and processing?
Who makes the control room desks? Currently working on a control room design for broadcast.
Sorry. I’m the 666 like. But I had too! I liked this entire video! Amazing setup and beautiful church!
audio for video stream... how do they run it?
We thought long and hard about adding a second console/studio for live audio production. When push came to shove, based on our values of in-person worship and a quality livestream, we decided to mix things from the FOH console, for a time. We can easily, via Dante, add a console, some outboard gear, and some studio monitors at the drop of a hat. But our goal with the livestream is not perfection...it is simply decent quality...and this can be achieved from the FOH board. We don't simply submix a mix. Instead, we use a series of groups that allow for some "customization" of the livestream mix to differentiate it from the house, but also allows for vocals and instruments to "follow" the house mix. So if a different person is leading a song and their vocal gets brought out front in the house mix, it also moves to the front in the livestream mix. But we can also use the "vocals" group that is specific to the livestream mix to bump up all of the vocals relative to the band, the drums, etc, just in that mix. Hope that helps!
@@WellspringEnglewood and what's the name of this console that y'all use again..?
@@QBONTHEG1k Allen and Heath Avantis
@@WellspringEnglewood Thank you for replying. Beautiful church. Awesome tour/gear. Best part was the control room in the neatness of the cable management.
@@WellspringEnglewood What kind of wireless mics are you using?
11:02 Can anyone inform me of the brand and size reference speakers they are using for their setup? Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know what the name of those rechargeable microphone's and recievers are?
i just wish the avantis had rta lol (as an actual user)
Hey Jake! how do these large setups patch audio from broadcast to their streaming setup withouth having sync issues?
Depends; there is usually a latency difference between video capture (cameras) and audio capture (however it is getting routed, mixed, and sent to the switcher or wherever it is combined with the program feed). Your specific production values determine if this delta is bad enough to warrant a solution; sometimes they are really close, and "close enough" that most people would barely notice a lip sync issue (which is where people usually realize they have the issue).
In most cases, the cameras have higher latency than audio (imagine it; video data stream is a lot larger than audio data stream) so all that's usually needed is to delay the broadcast audio outputs by enough milliseconds to get it to line up with the video. You can do an "audio video sync test", like using your primary speaking microphone to pick up the audio of someone clapping very close to it. Then take it into a DAW or NLE and determine how many milliseconds between the video clap and the audio clap. As long as the audio clap is earlier in time, then delaying audio will resolve the sync issue.
In rare cases where audio is behind video, you can use a "frame sync" device that will allow you to delay your video by a frame or two (or more) to allow audio to catch up in time. You probably then still need to delay the audio a few milliseconds to precisely sync (since video frames are a constant number of milliseconds, e.g. one frame at 60fps is 16.7ms).
We actually spec’s a smaller Q-SYS to handle control as well as audio routing. The other plus was that we could pass the Program mix through there dial in the level and delay for the live stream. You could also dial in delay direct from the console though and I have definitely done that in years past. The nice feature about doing it externally is you can essentially “lock away” the delay. - Andrew from Summit.
@@jethri thank you,
@@andrewstarke6625 thank you.
What are the equipment use in this church.
Hey Wellspring are you just sending a mix of your house to a bus for livestream or are you mixing in a box?
We thought long and hard about adding a second console/studio for live audio production. When push came to shove, based on our values of in-person worship and a quality livestream, we decided to mix things from the FOH console, for a time. We can easily, via Dante, add a console, some outboard gear, and some studio monitors at the drop of a hat. But our goal with the livestream is not perfection...it is simply decent quality...and this can be achieved from the FOH board. We don't simply submix a mix. Instead, we use a series of groups that allow for some "customization" of the livestream mix to differentiate it from the house, but also allows for vocals and instruments to "follow" the house mix. So if a different person is leading a song and their vocal gets brought out front in the house mix, it also moves to the front in the livestream mix. But we can also use the "vocals" group that is specific to the livestream mix to bump up all of the vocals relative to the band, the drums, etc, just in that mix. Hope that helps!
@@WellspringEnglewood it does!
i'd have used me-1 instead of aviom