Just re watched this! Such a fascinating subject, and so difficult to find information as good as this! Are hobbyists or researchers still growing these after the study?
Where do you obtain seed sources to grow out these lost crops? The USDA germplasm bank has zero accessions of maygrass (Phalaris caroliniana), sumpweed (Iva annua), and erect knotweed (polygonum erectum). I am currently trying to study plant genetics and I am currently interested in learning how to redomesticate these lost crops.
sump knot weed are truly pretty weedy and can be found in weedy landscapes created by humans. maygrass is rare, look for disturbances from rivers, humans or other animals in native grasslands. yesterday i found maygrass seeds in a disturbed area around a media art installation in a restored wet prairie
Excellent presentation. Two thoughts come to mind. 1) Getting seeds to sprout. Have you tried having an animal eat the seeds, then burying the waste? You found human waste with seeds in it, & "night soil" is often used as a fertilizer. The seeds may sprout better after going through a g.i. tract, be it animal or human. 2) The experiment the other woman did where fruit size increased. (Sorry, can't remember her name or plant name!) Could it be a function of the soil ? The plant interacts with the soil, & enriches it, & vice versa ! Kind of like planting legumes. Just some random thoughts! :)
Yes soil plays a part, as does the life in the soil. I would especially like to see the harder to germinate seeds consumed by animals and then left to germinate. Could maybe make the trait go in the other direction, even larger early crop of seeds / fruits followed by a smaller fall crop.
Are you aware of any well-preserved caches of North American legume seeds like perennial lupine (Lupinus perennis), wild perennial kidney bean (Phaseolus polystachios), and especially annual wooly bean (Strophostyles helvola)?
I would think the upheaval that the European colonization brought with it, would be an obvious hypothesis as to why these crops were abandoned...? Unless they were abandoned before this occurred, do we know when that was? Also, I'm just hoping to see awareness and respect of the native cultures that developed these crops. Overall this is great research! Would love a summary of the plants themselves, pictures or descriptions, and more detailed knowledge where they grow naturally in the wild. This shouldn't stay forgotten knowledge, just just for scientific but for practical and survival value!
I am attempting to repost a comment that I edited to more closely follow community guidelines... If it is pending approval please review a second time thanks! Otherwise I would complain because I don't t think the previous comment broke the guidelines either... I'm asking for respect and awareness to be considered for the native people's of these crops, is that really offensive, if so why? I'm doing so respectfully, please post my edited previous comment, thank you!
I don't know about Berlandieri but Chenopodium Album is no problem to sprout, just pull it off the plant in December and throw it on the ground where you want it to grow. Mine grow 15 feet tall and make an insane amount of seed, way more than Berlandieri I promise. Half the sources I read say Album is old world and half say it is new world. It's an amazing plant, nothing compares. It goes insane in the same spot year after year with no help at all. Show me some corn that can do that. Corn is a hungry thirsty spoiled brat. Corn and other grains transform humans into ant like slave beings. That's my anarchist theory of agriculture.
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This is exactly what i want to study in college. Thank you for the inspiration Natalie Mueller!
Just re watched this! Such a fascinating subject, and so difficult to find information as good as this! Are hobbyists or researchers still growing these after the study?
Where do you obtain seed sources to grow out these lost crops? The USDA germplasm bank has zero accessions of maygrass (Phalaris caroliniana), sumpweed (Iva annua), and erect knotweed (polygonum erectum). I am currently trying to study plant genetics and I am currently interested in learning how to redomesticate these lost crops.
Spending some money on ebay and etsy can get you some on the cheap
I grew maygrass this year in Minneapolis, MN. I received seeds from Gayle Fritz from Arkansas. I'd love to chat (@mnforager on insta)
sump knot weed are truly pretty weedy and can be found in weedy landscapes created by humans. maygrass is rare, look for disturbances from rivers, humans or other animals in native grasslands. yesterday i found maygrass seeds in a disturbed area around a media art installation in a restored wet prairie
Is there a way to get these old seeds out their again?
Excellent presentation. Two thoughts come to mind.
1) Getting seeds to sprout. Have you tried having an animal eat the seeds, then burying the waste? You found human waste with seeds in it, & "night soil" is often used as a fertilizer. The seeds may sprout better after going through a g.i. tract, be it animal or human.
2) The experiment the other woman did where fruit size increased. (Sorry, can't remember her name or plant name!) Could it be a function of the soil ? The plant interacts with the soil, & enriches it, & vice versa ! Kind of like planting legumes.
Just some random thoughts! :)
Yes soil plays a part, as does the life in the soil. I would especially like to see the harder to germinate seeds consumed by animals and then left to germinate. Could maybe make the trait go in the other direction, even larger early crop of seeds / fruits followed by a smaller fall crop.
Are you aware of any well-preserved caches of North American legume seeds like perennial lupine (Lupinus perennis), wild perennial kidney bean (Phaseolus polystachios), and especially annual wooly bean (Strophostyles helvola)?
Hey, have you tracked any of these down yet? I'd like to get in touch with you (@mnforager on insta)
I would think the upheaval that the European colonization brought with it, would be an obvious hypothesis as to why these crops were abandoned...? Unless they were abandoned before this occurred, do we know when that was? Also, I'm just hoping to see awareness and respect of the native cultures that developed these crops. Overall this is great research! Would love a summary of the plants themselves, pictures or descriptions, and more detailed knowledge where they grow naturally in the wild. This shouldn't stay forgotten knowledge, just just for scientific but for practical and survival value!
Natalie Mueller talks about her time studying Hill Creek Illinois, effected, trace remains of the Cahokia Mounds World Heritage period 1050-1350 CE?
I am attempting to repost a comment that I edited to more closely follow community guidelines... If it is pending approval please review a second time thanks! Otherwise I would complain because I don't t think the previous comment broke the guidelines either... I'm asking for respect and awareness to be considered for the native people's of these crops, is that really offensive, if so why? I'm doing so respectfully, please post my edited previous comment, thank you!
I don't know about Berlandieri but Chenopodium Album is no problem to sprout, just pull it off the plant in December and throw it on the ground where you want it to grow. Mine grow 15 feet tall and make an insane amount of seed, way more than Berlandieri I promise. Half the sources I read say Album is old world and half say it is new world. It's an amazing plant, nothing compares. It goes insane in the same spot year after year with no help at all. Show me some corn that can do that. Corn is a hungry thirsty spoiled brat. Corn and other grains transform humans into ant like slave beings. That's my anarchist theory of agriculture.
There is a native chenopodium album as well. Just the invasive one is more common.