'Brexit vote is a once in a generation referendum' | Owen Jones meets Daniel Hannan
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2016
- Daniel Hannan is a Eurosceptic Tory MEP who has made it his life's work to campaign to get Britain out of the European Union. But, he says the looming EU referendum could be a once in a generation vote and if there is a decisive vote to remain, he will accept the views of the British public. I went to meet him at Europe House to discuss his views on Europe, the war on drugs, proportional representation and who should be the next Conservative party leader when David Cameron steps down.
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Get away from the posh/rich/evil tag and Daniel Hannan is a very interesting and genuine guy to talk to. Nice to see Jones showing some respect.
Jones always respects people. :)
Jones always respects people. :)
Jones always respects people. :)
+FreakishlyTrue clearly you haven't watched all his vids then
Hannan is an incredibly intelligent man; he knows how to convert left-leaning viewers to vote for a Brexit.
+Benjamin Blake I know lots of people on the left who will vote to leave, like myself. I'm not sure if it's even so much a question of right and left to be honest
+Sonic Pellet Absolutely right. Why? Because if you vote Tory or Labour or Lib Dem or SNP or Green or Plaid Cymru whoever you vote for you get the EU. Because our law has to conform to EU regulations first of all, and then their court has the last say even over our supreme court. So no matter whether you are on the right or the left or in the centre if you want your vote to actually mean something you have to vote leave to get our sovereignty back.
Well, I would argue the EU imposes certain business regulations for the environment and a better welfare state which right wingers from UKIP and conservatives likely dislike.
+The Wereduck And do you like the idea of TTIP?
TTIP isn't a part of the EU Britain has to accept, and they are barely related to the EU.
Dan Hannan is great: so articulate and clear-thinking. He should be PM - not the shoddy Scameron. Voting Leave is the only sane choice.
Nicer than Boris, liz etc
Ageing well
This guy is by far my favourite tory. What I like about him is that he knows you're allowed to be left on certain things and right on other things.
It's called being a libertarian. If the conservatives were like hannan I'd have no problem voting for them
He is highly intelligent too. It disappoints me that Jones has discussions with people like Dan and still wants to remain in the EU without question, rather bizarre
A Tory is never left on anything. A Tory by definition, highly selfish. The last Tory to have had anything like left views must be Enoch Powell who opposed nuclear weapons.
Adam Powell Hannan was aganist the war in Iraq but Blair on the other hand...
@@pylianpbappe8898 So he has a redeeming feature.
Why can't Dan Hannan be PM???
Dan's the Man, definitely.
Daniel Hannan is eloquent, intelligent and speaks clearly and concisely. I was eurosceptic in the first place, but his oratory wins it hands down for me. If he was in it for himself he wouldn't be asking the public to vote leave and make him redundant.
Fair play Owen, I've never liked you. But my estimation has gone up that you are willing to openly discuss with the other side of the debate.
+Indigo pirate Same here, enjoyed this and other interviews by Owen. I always thought he was a typical new age regressive leftie but top man for the way he conducts these interviews. Owen deserves huge credit.............can't believe I said that.
@@richardashton4723 Oh how times and Owen have changed.
Happy Chappers Spot on!
I just read the comments and saw that no-one at all attacked anyone else or tried to steer the conversation towards their own private obsession, e.g. pro/anti-religion, pro/anti-Russia/-USA etc. Dozens of well-mannered and well-informed people listening to two people discuss something from a different perspective and actually trying to learn something. Kind of makes my day. Thanks, Owen, Daniel and all of you.
+Microtherion Ha ha, just wait it will happen ;) I never see the point of posting bad comments but You Tube is possibly worse that Twitter for it. A reasoned argument is quite fine, but some just get nasty. I'm thick-skinned but I've learned never to post anything under Channel 4 News or LBC you just get attacked by a swarm of parasitic wasps!
I've never agreed so much with a Tory politician, that was probably deliberate on his part, but he did raise some good points.
Got to interview Nigel Farage
+Jimmy E Moorby You really are a nasty person. don't like his politics, resort to homophobia. For my money, he brings out the best in whoever he interviews, even tories. Hannan comes across as a thoughtful person, but still and all, he's a tory. and recommending IDS and Gove sort of tarnishes his credibility.
+Jimmy E Moorby perhaps not homophobic, but there is a nasty sub text which becomes personal. Disagree with with his political stance, but don't descend into name calling. for my money, he is one of the most articulate commentators around. he interviews everyone regardless of political persuasion...and is respectful!!! and BTW, from his accent, it is very possible that he comes from a working class background. but that doesn't matter to me if I agree with what he says. I liked Tony Benn, and he was hardly working class!
+adrian Last Mea maxima culpa! You are correct of course. He didn't actually make a overt homophobic comment. My reaction was to his name calling which seemed to me at the time to be such.
+Jimmy E Moorby I'm hardly contemporary, being 72. I don't think I'm a metropolitan lefty either. You wouldn't have come across much, if any, homophobia if you are only 31. People's attitudes have thankfully changed to a large degree since I was your age, when it was certainly rife. witness Peter Tatchell's experiences.
I'm now beginning to think that my original comment carried some weight! Why is Tatchell a disgusting pervert? He want s to lower the age of consent to what...16 years old? i Don't know. Please elucidate. If I'm right, that would make it the same as for heteros. Are we talking equality?
I agree with Dan. If Corbyn came out to vote to leave the EU, which he rightly should as we know how he feels about it deep down... Owen would follow (Please)
But Corbyn is pro leave. He's been heavily resisting Labour pressure to remain and even now has only come out as 'we'll back remain if the only other option is the tories do it'. Owen still supports remain in spite of that.
Britain has to leave the EU for the sake of democracy!
+Matt 18 Do you acknowledge that problems like climate change, and the refugee crisis will be harder to deal without EU membership?
+Totalwarking7 really? Those outdated arguments have been disproved so many times I do not have to list them here.
+Totalwarking7 How? What if Britain had higher standards for tackling climate change than the EU? Then they're doing a much better job at it than they would if they WERE in. And the EU's policy on refugees is hapharzardous at best; the UK could go about it in a more sensible fashion that is popular with the British people.
You're missing the point of the argument, let me make it simple enough for even brexiteers to understand. UK out of EU means it will lose it's power to influence what goes on in Brussels, we go from being a loud voice to a bunch of has-been's that nobody needs to listen to. Meanwhile countries like Germany and France become even more important in deciding what happens in the continent. The net result is that no matter how big our policies on climate change are, nobody gives a sh!t. Think of this way, Scotland can have a massive say and influence on things that happen in the UK because we want to keep Scotland in the UK. As soon as Scotland leaves the UK they go from being highly important in UK elections and referendums to being unimportant. The same applies to us and the EU.
The "refugee crisis" was CAUSED by the EU. Their Common Asylum Policy.
Climate change will not be solved by an unelected Political union the people haven't consented.
Vote leave for goodness sake. If we stay in we're totally fucked. Come on! We can beat the establishment with numbers, get out there and vote LEAVE!!
***** Why stay more like?
We need to take back the reins.
***** Can't see it happening, remember, they need us. We're a massive contributor to the EU, subsidizing all the small European countries, the time has come where we have to look after our own interests and make ALL of our own laws, without interference. Also I feel If we pull out, the EU will crumble and all the countries in it will pull out too, then each country can go back to their own original currency and do trade deals with whoever (whole world) and whenever they want. A reform. Good joke ;P
Cameron is now at panic point, he has no argument, so he's just resulting to ridiculous scaremongering, like "if you vote to leave, you'll start WW3" He's full of shit. He's gone so far with the stay thing, which deep down he knows is the wrong decision, that he has to keep it up. He'll probably vote leave himself.
Peace✌
+Frequency of Love Reform from within hasn't worked. We've been in the EU for years and very little, if anything has been changed to suit Britain. We're just seen as always moaning and arguing and then ignored. This is because most of what the EU stands for and pushes for, goes against the grain of our own way of life built up over the centuries.The only real way to reform the EU is to leave it, hope and encourage other countries to do the same and force the EU to dramatically change. If it doesn't it will die.
+Frequency of Love The other countries of the EU need Britain now.They need us to vote Leave. If a smaller country choses to leave, they might just say, ok, good luck but, if a country the size of Britain leaves the EU, it will make the EU automatons sit up and think, "hang on, maybe we have got this wrong".Britain leaving the EU could save the rest of Europe from the EU tyranny and a future, unelected, unwanted superstate. Not trivialising WW2 at all but this is just as important to our generation.We really need to do this, for ourselves and the rest of Europe.
+Frequency of Love So you accept the EU is corrupt ?If we leave, we can pass laws that are relevant to us and our society. Currently we have to accept laws created and passed by the EU that might at best be irrelevant to our society or, at worst, damaging to it.We would no longer pay in approx. £300m a week to the corrupt EU. We would then have this money to spend on ourselves where its needed most and not receive a little of it back from the EU funding some lame project. You could even use the money to help cut our deficit instead of making cuts to services.The EU needs a wake up call. Britain leaving will cause that wake up call and then the EU will need to look at itself, why we left, why we don't feel the EU is good or all singing, all dancing. The undemocratic and corrupt regime simply must be exposed for what it is. Then and only then will people within the EU feel obliged to do something about it.
That was a fantastic interview. He seems like on of the few Torys i would vote for.
I should just say, I know we haven't had any comments videos or vlogs recently. I've been travelling around a lot recently and Adam's been really busy at work, plus we've been filming loads of these interviews.
We will be doing more... eventually!
+Owen Jones We should never adopt the euro Owen, i hope you don;t advocate this in thee guardian
+Owen Jones Interview Mary Berry :P
+Owen Jones He does not support the NHS, he does seem nice though. You keep checking my perspective of right wing characters! Peter Hitchens just reminds me of my dad now, a little pessimistic and racist who had hopes and dreams for Britain.
+Joseph Stanton Its cool, watch Hitchens v Hitchens from 2008 and you'll quickly go back to hating him again lol
+Joseph Stanton 'racist' fnarr
god I hope we vote to leave
hm
Say no to the EU, Owen. There will be no reform.
This is too important to put party before country.
I think that what Mr. Hannan said about multinational corporatist lobbying in Brussels, ought to be shouted from the rooftops.
Anyone who deplores the corrupting effects of multis like Monsanto and Nestle, ought to be worried about the fact that -- unlike in some places, where lobbyists are monitored or restricted -- what goes on behind closed doors in Brussels is largely invisible to the media and consequently, to the voters. And multis all favor the structure of the EU, since it makes the money they spend to buy support from politicians, go a lot further than if they were having to lobby a couple of dozen different nations. In short: Brussels makes the lobbying efforts of multis FAR more efficient.
Very well done, both by the interviewer and the interviewed. Thank you for this, Owen. I appreciate it very much.
Have to agree with Daniel Hannan - whilst were talking about devolving powers to smaller regions in the UK, the government are pushing the idea that a European Union is best for us all.
Britain isn’t like continental Europe
"once in a generation referendum"
*Wants 2nd referendum*
Owen, I don't think I've heard you talk about this so if you have you can just link me to that, but what's your opinion on the people who push safe spaces and the extreme end of political correctness that we're seeing slowly infect British and American universities, destroying essential freedoms of speech, thought, expression etc.
Great interview , I really wish it could have been longer . Respect to you both .
one of the few conservertives i have respect for, his speech in washington, usa recently was superb, talks a lot of sense,
+Harry Lime Hi. Was it his speech in 2012, or is there one more recent than that?
i think it was 2012, not sure,
Harry Lime Thanks.
I love these interviews! You challenge them, but let them answer! A complete change for interviews that I've watched for the past few years!
I like Owen when he's smiley, and willing to listen to other's views. He's very likable actually!
I really love your interviews Owen; a great antidote to the ridiculous, adversarial nonsense we get in the mainstream media. Good to see people of opposing views actually listen to one another. Keep up the good work!
shit. this made me like Daniel hannan a bit.
+MessiSeconds Daniel Hannan may have different views to me on many issues but he, like Dave Davis, is a serious political thinker. There too too many cloney lightweights in politics across all the parties.
+hammondsphoto sure I agree, but his empirical stuff on EU is frequently complete crap
+MessiSeconds What do you mean by " his empirical stuff on EU is frequently complete crap"? Do you not like hearing undeniable evidence that contradicts your viewpoint?
+sangetube you're right, that's my problem, cheers for clarifying
Thanks for the interview, Dan Hannan is awesome!!
Pity you didn't ask him about the BS he gave Fox News about the NHS.
+Heads Tails In what way were his comments about the NHS wrong?
jonnysongs I would recommend you have a quick look around for the videos....
I know what he said, I'm just wondering why you think it was wrong. He was right about the NHS in my opinion.
Dammit, a likeable Tory.
I feel like I'm betraying myself even saying that.
I agree with Dan here. Sorry Owen but you are wrong on the European Union.
IIzRoBzII Given your political compass, you should look up other libertarians, like Daniel, and forget authoritarians like Owen.
Great interview Owen, really enjoyed this one
A good interview, vote to leave Owen, you know it's the right thing to do.
+WayT101
no, we can reform it.
+OnlyThe TruthMatters Your partner has cheated on you, beat you, stolen from you, Lied to you and mocked you and you want to pay them money in the vague hope they 'might' change after an absolutely pathetic 'renegotiation'? How sad.
this guys amazing, he should be the next tory leader, i might consider voting for him with his policies
This is a really interesting conversation to listen to a couple of years later. Even if you watched it before, it's worth watching again given everything we now know about what played out.
I hate Tories...so how come this guy is talking my language and Labour aren't?
For 'fact' read 'cobblers'.
Great stuff Owen. We want you to interview Gove. It HAS to be done.
+Jeremy Bunce - absolutely essential!
keep the interviews up they are great!
Nice. He seems like an honest politician with integrity.
+Stefan Jones Well if the UK leaves he is going to lose his job as an mep. He doesn't seem to mind much.
I think like many on the left, I genuinely don't feel strongly either way on Europe. I'm there to be persuaded. I'd love to hear a good interview with someone fighting in the other corner.
+pezzamange I have been looking hard, and so far have found no convincing argument for the stay in EU campaign. I'd love a link if you find one.
It's hard to counter guys like Tony Benn when they rattle off reason after reason to leave. Sovereignty, democracy, the despotism of the EU, the corporate lobbying, the miss management, the non transparency of the commission, the unbelievable cost of membership, the backhanders and corruption to get exclusive contracts, the criminal records of the commission. Just to mention a few points.
I have not found any serious reason to stay that stands up to scrutiny.
I'm amazed at how much love there is for Hannan in the comments
RUclips homepage brought me here - and what a find!
Insightful interviews with meaningful people.
Keep them coming!
enjoyed this Interview a lot, thanks.
I've been following Hannan for a number of years now - since I saw him debating in the European parliament - he is just brilliant and has really restored my faith in Politics and in the Conservative party - forget Johnson (although I do like him immensely) and defo forget Osborne - Daniel Hannan is by far the most credible to be the future leader of the Tories - he's such an excellent orator and is also very warm and down to earth - I simply can't stress enough the effect he has had on me - extremely positive - inspirational :)
Here here!
Speaking as a Green party voter I'd rather have somebody like him as Tory leader, I may disagree fundamentally with what he thinks, but he's very upfront about who he is, unlike most of the other candidates and the incumbent.
That's interesting as the last two local and general elections I have voted green - given I live in a safe Tory seat I didn't see the point in 'wasting' my vote so thought that voting green would at least show I care for the environment etc and greens are currently the only other party I could stomach voting for... (Although bring back Lucas asap!) Really I'm desperately waiting for a Libertarian movement/party - for that I'd join up and become a fully bonified party member ;) I respect your refreshingly open , honest and unbiased stance... Cheers!
I agree, Hannan has spoken consistently well and with clarity on the EU, and has been a real star of the EU referendum debate. I wonder if he will move into the UK Conservative Party following the leave result? However, he might well stay on as an MEP to try influence the EU internally while the Article 50 negotiations are underway.
+leakycheese I wish he could do both, as I really think his sort is what's needed to negotiate sensible withdrawal from the EU and to lead the Conservative party towards a bright future for our newly independent nation :) He has come out of all of this with honour 100% intact - the level the debate descended to on both sides, I'm not sure many could claim that! He really is a true Gent... among a sea of vultures!
I'm still a comitted EU fan, but this was the best argument for leaving I have heard from any politician EVER. He is also a very interesting guy, with sincere views some of which I actually agree with (PR, drugs, the anti-democracy of the EU (although that isn't a big enough of an issue to cause me to vote leave)). The best politician in the Tory party I have heard speak, I want to hear more from him, and I'm a Corbynite!
Yeah, fuck democracy... I mean it's not that big of an issue.
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!!
I believe that you are well within your rights to surrender any and all of your liberty, should you wish to do so but don't you fucking dare give mine away. Who the fuck do you think you are to even think that is okay?
When this bloke mentioned the anathema of cannabis versus tobacco and alcohol, he went right up in my estimation. Why is he a Tory? I ask myself.
+Mark Hammond because he believes in capitalism.
He's a genuine Tory advocating classical liberalism & promoting 'neo-Thacherism.' I am still aligned with the Tory party because of chaps like Dan.
Classic conservative philosophy is much more libertarian than the neo-conservative, big-government "Conservative" Party we see today - it pertains to a smaller state, greater individual freedom and less intervention in both personal terms and foreign policy. Hannan is simply a classical conservative!
He said so himself, he values economic freedom more than personal freedoms. Plus I don't see Labour currently offering a decriminalisation currently. That would leave the Liberal Democrats, who currently don't really stand for anything...
I think that Dan needs to revive and lead the Whig Party!
Daniel said the top reason im voting leave, The EU is a undemocratic institution and shows no chance of change.
And that is what Tony Benn said, and what George Galloway says, and what Dr David Owen says, and Jacob Rees Mogg says and what Kate Hoey says, and Frank Field, and Clare Fox says.... basically anyone who knows anything and does not have a vested interest in lying.
Yep. No huge bureaucracy like the EU/EP has, or ever will, relinquish power; it will only ever keep drawing it from the individual sovereign states and consolidating it.
If people think it's bad now, why on earth would they ever think it's going to get better?!
+Afifah Hamilton douglas murray peter hitchens and the list goes on...
Seems mil a genuinely good guy
I have no idea why this guy is a Conservative MP? Because he sure doesn't sound like a Tory
+The Rimas Really?
Yeah but, does he sound like a Labour MP?? And who'd want to be labelled a Lib Dem??
+The Rimas
He sounds a bit like Tony Benn.
Lee Thomas Seems like a bloke with some actual principles and well-thought out beliefs. However his view on the NHS and the superiority of America's system is an odd one
***** Ok I should have been clear to say "Such as Thatcher, Cameron, Johnson and Osborne not to mention many others" but of course I agree not all of a political party are gonna have the exact same viewpoints but a vast majority of the Tories always agree in the end to favour their Super Rich friends than anyone
Owen if you have any balls you will fly to the US and meet Thomas Sowell.
To have his entire leftist belief system dismantled? He'd be wise to avoid it.
Person Exactly! He would crush him.
Tom Edwards Have you read his work? He is no where near his old Marxist days.
Great interview Owen, I love it when you go and speak to people with whom you don't completely agree. Breaking out of the echo chamber!
Thank you for interviewing him Owen. Great to see you discuss politics with so many Right Winger's!
I really like how you always respect other peoples views and try to find common ground with them. My type of approach there :)
I love these interviews with people you normally rant at. Good job. You see, we can all get along.
hew Owen, have you read his book yet? I bought it as a result of your video, nearly finished it, a great read. It will turn you around to the light side. Come join us in leaving, and making Britain great once more.
My mum went to University with Michael Gove and she turned him down when he hit on her. Ha!
+Gareth Wareth REALLY?
+Gareth Wareth Smart lady!
+Owen Jones similarly my best mate's mum went to oxford with Jacob rees-mogg and took him to paries as he had no friends.
+David Noir Can confirm.
+Gareth Wareth thought he was gay
Hannah is one smart guy. Very insightful.
Thanks so much for doing this!
+Edward Rowe No problem
Your best yet. Kudos to both.
Thanks for sharing!!!
Holy moly, I actually kinda like this guy.
+Tom Walton Daniel Hannan is one of the best politicians of our time. You should look up his speeches !
Thanks for this Owen. I enjoy watching your videos due to the insight it offers. I'm something of an Old Whig in the Tory party & I'd advocate Daniel Hannan as PM one day, thus this interview is greatly appreciated. 😄👍
The only reason why I am voting to stay in the EU is because I do not trust the conservative government to run this country without being restricted by Europe.
So you are willing to surrender your liberty and that of future generations over an issue that you can directly influence in the next general election? What would your solution be if a future government that you support was prevented from introducing policy by the EU?
+Rob Young Literally the worst argument for staying in the EU i have ever heard.
Heartening stuff. Clever, principled people laying a foundation for cooperation despite ideological differences
Fabulous interview. Thank you - sane intelligent reasonable argument.
great interview - really like the tone of the discourse.
Mandatory equality of opportunity - yes.
Mandatory equality of outcome - no.
Finally an adult conversation unlike the HOC shouting and jeering like kids
excellent interview. it is good to see some common ground between the left and right and also have an amicable discussion
Splendid video. I really enjoyed this one. :D
You lift my spirits
Love Europe Leave EU
great interview
Excellent video. Look forward to your review of his book in the Guardian :) Boris next please!
Great interview, I like Hannan cause he actually explains his logic!
Great interview. Whilst I disagree with the MEP on a few topics, I can't help admiring his candor. It's nice to see a politician giving direct answers with well reasoned thought behind them. He's a credit to Westminster. Not a sentiment I feel like I can express much these days unfortunately.
Hannan should've been used more by the Leave side, less divisive and more moderate than Johnson or Farage. He could turn a lot of marginal Remain votes.
Excellent stuff Owen! You're a looney lefty but I love these interviews.
Do them more often!
Loved this interview Owen!
Owen, where's your review of that book?
I would be interested to hear exactly why you want to stay in the EU, Owen. I would consider myself fairly left wing but when it comes to the EU debate i'm yet to hear a convincing argument for the IN campaign.
+Phil Cresswell UK has been in the UK for decades and people don't know any advantages of being in the EU. It is kind of pathetic to be honest
where can we get his book!?
Here is a fab 10 min interview with Dan the Man from 2009 I think. I has lovely close up shots of this clean, intelligent, big eyed, cool, calm and collected man. Let's have him as Prime Minister! I don't care what party he associates with. It is his clarity and knowledge that I want running things.
Great interview! I was surprised by his stance on drugs! When will we snap to our senses a legalise at the very least cannabis..
This man is on record as calling the NHS a 60-year "mistake". Well done, Owen - I don't think I could have spoken to him without losing my lunch.
Good interview Owen, enjoyed that.
what a great channel...gets thro so much info...[eg the video on staying in EU, and this from an expat. living in Bulgaria], keep up the great work
I'd listen to him all day as well. An excellent speaker who is now in the House of Lords.
Another good video Owen. It'd be very interesting if you could get an interview with Theodore Dalrymple.
Why so many cuts?
Great video
Great interview and minimal bias - kudos, Sir :)
WE DEMAND THE FULL VERSION OWEN!!! NOW!!! GIVE IT TO US NOW!! NOW!! NOW NOW NOW!!!!!
As always, a great interview in my opinion Owen. A couple of surprises in there for a Tory, but most particularly were his positive views on PR for which I feel he is absolutely correct. If we end up Brexiting, my own belief is that we need to introduce PR to ensure that the spectrum of the U.K. public's opinion is properly represented in Parliament. Dan mentioned that we would probably end up with numerous parties, but this can be avoided to a lesser or greater degree by the use of a 5% threshold as per the German electoral system. Regardless of this point, a great interview as always.
PS: Nice to see a different cup handling technique to the one in previous interviews. Looking a little more civilised now. All you need to do is perfect the 'pinkie technique' and they'll be letting you into posh restaurants before you know it 😀.
Rod Liddle would be an interesting guest for you Owen. good interview :)
What does Mr Hannan know about Michael Gove that I don't, all I know about him is what I've seen, apparent arrogance & incompetence.
Otherwise interesting interview, but the Gove thing is a real head scratcher.
Thanks for sharing.
I am genuinely impressed given some of OJ's penned articles of reactionary outrage. This is how it should be, asking an intelligent opposition, listening, not interrupting then rebuttal.
Everything that Labour Momentum is not. Bravo Owen.
Why isn't the torie party led by nice uns like this chap. I could almost bring myself to thinking about voting for them if it was
this was actually really refreshing and interesting