People are hating on this dude for trimming the raid, but if you've ever been in a group like this it's magical how when you boot some of the people who were doing terribly you suddenly down the boss you've been wiping on for hours the next pull.
@@aidenlenhardt4163 So did u watch the full stream? The ones he kicked is who died early and cannot mechanic right? So cannot do mechanic right is the most basic to get kicked in a raid. So what is wrong? At least asmo do mechanic right?
Nah, he was a complete asshole about it. Instead of saying we gotta remove some people and simply removing them. He added on his snide comments for them on the way out. He's the exact kind of arrogant PoS that I hate.
I love this raid lead. Straight up removed the guy from the raid and the call without naming anyone. I doubt everyone even noticed who left in the end. Didn't shame, didn't flame. Didn't comment afterwards. Professional.
man, if your raid leader yell, just go away, its a bad leader and bad raid, a real raid leader is calm and thinking, do you see any raid leader in the WF guilds yelling ? nope, they are always calm
@@mightyfineincredible2252 fr people are just too scared of losing repeatedly, over and over. Shaking in their boots, dare i say trembling even! What a dumb thing to say rolflmfao
Damn, having a leader kicking off someone in a raid this calm and respectful in an MMORPG is almost a miracle in Asian server, respect the dude. The vibe I got is "Sorry but your skill is hindering the team repeatedly, go practice and come back when you get better."
Being straight up and honest about things is the best way to teach people. Instantly makes the majority people open a guide rather than accepting another free boost.
I was in a raid with a guild that picked up some randos(me) once similar to this that they calmly said they were going to remove some people to get a better setup. They were all chill and all. I was confident I wasn't going to be removed. I was top DPS and knew what I was doing. Then all of a sudden was removed. Was surprised and thought I must have been wrong on a mechanic or something. Then suddenly half of that guild is messaging me to rejoin because they accidentally removed me. Was a weird night.
@@I_Crit_My_Pantswhy did you comment on a 1 year old post with the word wrong and nothing else? Are you going to at all state your case or maybe direct people towards a link that supports your claims?
@@bobbobb5759 on one hand, I can see your POV. But on the other, I would ask that you just consider that not everyone has the same amount of time on their hands as you do. People work for a living, have children, families, etc. that they have to take care of. You can’t afford to spend 45 minutes wiping to one boss due to ignorant or bad players when you only have 2 hours to play.
@@chaous55 all the more reason they should focus on helping people improve rather than wordlessly boot them. Only insuring bad players remain bad players without giving them chance to improve. I have a full time job, house, and family so the whole "only has 2 hours" excuse is a load of shit, he has ample time.
This is a raid leadee i can get behind. Nothing personal or rude said, he even wished em a good evening. I know people can make mistakes and even good players get kicked from these raids sometimes. I dont mind one honest mistake, but it does waste the time of a raid if 19 other people, its disrespectful to them to keep failing because it wastes their time and if you are not improving after your mistake its basicly an issue of you not caring about wasting peoples time enough to learn a mechanic. To me this was respectful, no insults and they can try again later.
For the people going "Ugh 11th dps, stays couse streamer privilige", first of all Yes. But second of all, dps is less important than not fucking up. If you know your mechanics, you follow directions and you dont fuck up, a lower dps is okay. I mean thats how a ranking works, SOMEONE has to be 11th place.
That is not true , both matter especially in mythic , I get it they should outgear this by quite a bit but still . Even if you do mechanics perfectly or rarely mess up but your dps is mediocre you are a liability , you should have to excel in both .
True. However seeing how he got 58 min on food buff and they are on P3 of Sylvannas, I would assume he died during the fight and got a druid battle resurrect. So it's likely he did fuck up somewhere. It would explain why his DPS is so low though.
@@wykydytron Bro I am talking about mythic raiding . If you are not doing great damage and doing mechanics correctly mythic raiding is not for you . I never said I was perfect but when I use to play I always looked to learn and improve and people valued me because I rarely screwed up and was most of the times high up on the dps charts . Do you think world first guilds will invite people who do mechanics correct but have mediocre dps ? Not a chance in hell , both go hand in hand . If you are not doing both well you are a liability to the raid , if you don't like that don't do mythic raiding . For any tier bellow that it is fine if you are mediocre but not for mythic especially when its current content . I am not the reason why MMOs are dead , most people don't do mythic content . If you were leading a mythic raid and people were doing the right mechanics but because their dps is not to par you wouldn't replace anybody unless they improved ? If you can't kill the boss because the damage is low then that is the problem of the people doing low damage , and if everybody is doing the correct mechanics it makes sense that you will remove the weakest links who do mediocre or even bad damage . To be offended by this is just laughable .
@@saula8948 I didnt say it didnt matter, i said it matters less. Dosent matter how high your dps is, if you cause a wipe couse you fuck up on mechanics, you are a solo hardstuck for progression. However if you do all mechanics perfectly but have low dps, yes you are not the perfect raid member, but you dont actively prevent progression. This is evidenced by the fact that the 2 people we see being kicked is 1: A healer and 2: uncertain, but since the dps meter didnt change, we can assume its either a healer or at least a lower dps than 12th place.
This raid leader was chill. I was in a naxx 25 the other night and half the raid left because raid leader started calling people out and encouraging people to whisper them talking shit. That was the end of that.
i remember trying to do heroic ghuun for aotc, went through probably hundreds of people and took around 18 hours. think i was the only one who stayed from the absolute beginning, but when we beat it, everyone in the discord released the biggest collective sigh of relief i've ever heard.
Everyone in comments malding so hard over this OMEGALUL. I'll give a quick rundown hopefully answers questions. 1. This was like 4th or 5th pull in. The two that got kicked were repeat offenders of causing the raid to wipe. 2. Asmon set this raid up/leader offered to carry him the kill to get the mount so obviously wasn't gonna get kicked. 3. Leader was chill the whole time and gave enough chances to those that got kicked. 4. They got 2 new replacements in the matter of 1 minute and downed the boss 2 pulls later lol.
the healer vedney caused no wipes he only was a victim of a chain explosion on the second pull and it just so happened he got hit by rive in p1 on the third pull, this was what he meant by when he said he wanted to "make a case" as he only personally messed up once albeit on something dumb. I don't know about the other guys I think it was just low dps and early deaths but maybe watch the vod first before declaring they were repeat offenders of anything
I've been one of those people that were replaced before. Didn't have enough survivability as a tank for the four horseman. Got some upgrades and came back the next week with the same raid and did fine. I hope those players that got kicked weren't discouraged and instead went to improve
@@JSmellerM Sorry, no, wrong opinion come back when you have a correct one. *Blocks and ignores.* that's basically what this raid leader is, if this is in your mentality a good, non toxic way to play a video game, you're autistic.
People say this is rude but in fact this is exactly what I would want from my raid lead, even if I was on the chopping block. Clear, concise, to the point, no drama, and moved on as soon as it was over. What ever the position, be it raid lead, fleet commander, squad/platoon lead, etc - Take notes. This is how you remove someone from the group.
*Kicks out people for failing mechanics and being worse than asmon in dps(12th place)* YT Chat: "CLEARLY HE'S RECEIVING SPECIAL TREATMENT AS A STREAMER, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS" LULW If ur gonna complain, at least be right about it lol
being 12th place when there are 14 dpsers, and the only other guy in the raid whos the same spec as him is doing literally MORE than double his dps? mate, please
@@Exata1337 You can't dps if you're dead, asmon could have 1mil dps & other guy be 5x that but dies 1min into encounter. you can't fix stupid with iLvlL. learning the fight is the bare minimum, not a luxury
Eh, it's still annoying to hear someone act like that. Kinda a dick move to let someone in a raid, or any other high tier content, and then kick them when they don't perform to your standards. It just means you're an idiot and didn't bother to check your group beforehand. It's behavior that often goes hand-in-hand with whiny as fuck egotistical assholes. The dude in the clip was actually pretty chill about it, but the action itself has a rather visceral hit for anyone who's been deemed "not good enough to run with the big boys" before. Especially after being told you could do so. Just plan ahead. If you wanna be competitive and minimax...actually do it and plan shit out. Underprepared leaders are some of the most annoying people to deal with.
Never forget raid lead kicked his gf after we wiped for hours and then 2 more pulls downed it. Made her learn how to play too after and became a way better player.
Looks like a PUG raid and that's honestly the best way to do it, give folks a few shots and slowly weed out the ones that can't keep up. No point wasting everyone's time, no point making a fuss over those that have to still improve. Just a simple "Yo, we are going to replace some folks" and boop.
We do this in our Main Raid too. Our Raid ends at 22:30 and when we struggle on a boss we remove the deadweights at 22:00, we usually kill the bosses first try then because only the people capable of playing mechanics stay.
Totally fine with this stuff on higher difficulties. It's the guys who insta-kick the newbies that piss me tf off. Totally not because of personal experience or anything. Experience that made me not learn a single raid in Destiny 2 until I made my own clan
I think this raid lead is great, he removes them respectively, didnt get mad and said have a good evening. The players did not rage either. I think that if we had more raid groups like this we would be better.
The worst is keeping shitters in the raid to punish the better players for being super late without notifying anyone and no valid excuse. Or getting someone a piece of gear nobody needs on a class you need despite the player being subpar.
As much as I understand why people dislike this, I have never seen anyone handle the situation better than this RL. If I got booted in this fashion I wouldn't even be mad.
This raid lead is chill and I find no problem on that. I had it far worse on my realm, I had to listen to my raid leads dropping f bombs and yelling at players who don't perform well in raids time to time
This is 100% how raid leaders should be. Didn't call out any names, didn't get made and throw a Riggnaros tantrum. He identified the problem, removed them quietly, and kept the raid moving.
Asmon is so far down the DPS list, he's behind those who died early despite being alive until the end. At some point low DPS is just as bad as not doing the mechanics correctly. He should have been replaced as well but wasn't because he's a streamer. I would have left that raid on my own.
I've been in a lot of ESO trials, and seen a few nice people turn a little sour over time as they started leading raids. They start out nice, make sure they know everything, lead the team and expect everyone to pull their weight. As time goes on and they lose more and more time due to incompetent players, they turn colder at least during raids. Leading raids is stressful, there are many people who depend on the team, raids can take hours. Dead weight lessens the experience for all parties and a good leader should have the mentality to trim the fat if the raid is done to get gear. We used to do training runs every saturday, so it was a stress-free environment for learning before the gear-runs.
thats a good raid leader. there is no reason for any raid leader that isnt doing a learning run to deal with bad DPS/HEALs/tanks remove and get new ones. love how calm he was about it as well no room for talking just goodbye.
Even in a learning run you have to trim the fat at some point like if someone does the same mistake over and over again or someone's gear is so bad they die too easily.
this happened to me during the fight against anduin, he wispper me and others I did not take it the wrong way but others thought differently and left the guild because they were removed from the raid. later I got better in the fight and there were no more problems
This is a big reason why I stopped raiding. I'd start the groups, summon everyone, we'd get far in the raid and people would die on the harder bosses. Eventually I'd pass lead to someone more experienced with the boss. I'd usually survive since I'd study mechanics prior but would get kicked for DPS not being at the top despite the ones at the top dying to mechanics.
This is probably the most polite and respectful raid leader I have seen in both wow and FFXIV. Didn't blame, harass and call out anyone. He did what he had to do. When you are in a raid group not formed from close friends and dying a lot + fking up the mechanic, you are giving more stress to other members that are doing the mechanic correctly. They are not your close friends that are patience enough to keep going untill you learn. So the raid leader have to take action before it starts annoying the other players. That is the harsh reality
Definitely done myself, use the early/easy bosses to spot weak players and toss them for your sanity and the health of the group. Really helps that modern non-mythic raiding is flex so you can toss everyone who isn't core
Those guys that get removed also have the chance to come back. This wasn't a random raid but a guild group and I bet there is someone who can help them get better if they want to. If they don't want to, good riddance.
A good leader leads by example and teaches the students. It's shit like this why there's so many people with no experience... because they can't get experience and become good when not having the opportunity because of losers like this leader who thinks he was never just as noob as they are before... Classic case of forget where you came from. I lead raids, I explain the fight and the roles to those who don't know. They learn it and then there's more people in wow who know how...
I used to play with a VERY large clan on planetside 2. On Sunday nights ops we usually were around 90+ people on teamspeak (much better than discord for large groups). Since platoons only could hold 48 players we always made 3 platoons, two with the casuals and newbies lead by very experienced players (1 platoon commamder and 4 squad leaders), and the 3rd platoon was filled with the best players. All 3 platoon leaders had comms with each other and coordinated attacks, decoys and other crazy tactics. Usually the enemy forces send equal or similar amount of players to deal against your platoon. Having a small but talented platoon always created chaos in enemy logistics. Having to send 48~96 players to deal against 20 veterans (on defensive possitions) was something special.
even if the raid leader wanted to kick assmuncher he couldn't because he knows big streamers are a protected class and he would just get banned by blizzard for hurting their streamer's experience.
It sucks to get kicked yeah but it sucks even worse when over 20 people can't get something done when they could just replace you and get someone with double the output. It's frustrating when there's this 1-2 undergeared people. Much better to just kick and move on. Unless you're like 11/12 bosses down and dude is locked from killing final boss. That's a little more fucked up in that case, but when it really comes down to it you gotta do what you gotta do.
Happened to me before several times when I was like 11-12. Back in the day it was fucking soul crushing to get removed like this, but at 28 I perfectly understand that some people simply just don't have the time.
What a polite and efficient raid leader. I can't believe people would hate on him for that. It's infinitely better behavior than the bald nerds who rage and try to lecture the bad players.
True, but there's even a better option. Take the raging lecturers, and remove the rage. Keep the lecture. As in attempt to explain what to do. If that don't work out, then kick.
@@mitkoogrozev It's better to just politely kick them without being demeaning like this guy did. This raid leader was giving clear commands to his raid, so he shouldn't have to babysit a bad player or go out of his way to give unsolicited advice to them. A bad player will just feel worse when they inevitably get kicked because they didn't improve at all after you lectured them.
@@MexicanTeTe Yes, indeed he was giving out timed commands, which is alright. But I mean more than that after it is noticed that it's insufficient. I used the word ''lecture'' because it flows well from what you said. But I don't mean lecture in any emotionally charged way. I'm just using it to mean something like "information". Since the words are synonymous or related. Without the demeaning aspect. That's what I meant by "remove the rage". In a raid, there's no unsolicited advice. People want do to it successfully. Providing info is helpful to achieve that and it's better than having to start it up all over again with a new group, provided what I allude to in the previous paragraphs is followed. Being kicked with NO information means you have no clue at all what was the problem, and you definitely would have learned nothing. And since joining a new group and doing it all over again from the start can be a hassle, the more you just get kicked or people leave without any reason, the more it leaves you no reason to continue to try. I've had awesome raid leaders who after timed commands failed him, he explained in advance why it's done like it's done, and the sequence of the fight. And then the timed commands make much more sense and people are more aware of what's going on in the raid as a whole. But alas this has happened extremely rarely in the years I've player randomly grouped raids. Maybe 2 times in years. Such useful people seem to be rare.
@@crowmaster9652 you're so cringe, you keep insisting the game isn't hard across multiple comment threads, despite you saying classic has harder mechanics than retail, which is obviously false. You have no idea what you're talking about and anyone who sees your comments should throw your opinion in the trash where it belongs.
This is a big reason as to why raiding is so bad. Don't invite us and waste our time and money, if you're just going to remove people. Say it as calm as you'd like, it's toxic behavior. Telling someone to kick a dog "politely" is still toxic. Grow up kids, it's a video game.
lol i raided for years, but never pugged ever lol. had the same group of people year in year out. seeing this i can see how stressful some people find raiding lol
I really didn't mind playing with bad players. I liked helping other players out and working together to achieve a goal. Sometimes it was just fun playing with other people.
The problem is if everyone else is focused on clearing, you do need to get the ones who can't do mechs out of the group Raid leader did good job not raging and mentioning specific names
Everything what you say is fine, except for the fact that there's 19 other people in the raid that might not neccesarily have time or patience for that. You gotta make decisions for majority's interest, if you'll raid lead pugs you'll understand. Guild runs are usually a little bit more personal and accepting, but still, you have to make sure you're doing your best.
In FF14 they differentiate between farm parties, clear parties and learning parties. Each one caters to different skill levels and players go into each one with the expectations clearly laid out. Bad/new players are generally expected to stick to learning parties because the atmosphere there is more forgiving of mistakes. Clear and farm are less tolerant of people wasting their time with constant mistakes, and that seems to be what this guy was expecting from this party. No fuss, no drama, if you can't carry your weight you will be replaced, have a good night.
true and people wonder why mmo's are on a downfall. people want to one shot everything and when that doesn't happen they start kicking, bad experience lead to leaving the game leads to low players numbers leaving only the old players around. bad approach, and this is coming from a team leader that won several national titles and made deep international runs on another games, but the point is the same.
@@luciofilipe There are multiple difficulties, never punch up, simple as that, if your skill level is normal don't try to join a heroic if you are not ready, nothing wrong with people not wanting to carry others, join a guild for that
Raid trimming is essencial to pug groups. I've raid led hc Ghuuns before and I hate wasting people's time, resources and energy. Just like the guy said, no hard feelings. Whoever got kicked, don't be angry, get better, watch some videos about the encounter, improve your gear, rotation ect. and better luck next time. Like Dark Souls community likes to say, just "Git Gud".
Must be a Canadian raid leader. US raid leader would call out the specific person, scream at them, and then his cohorts would whisper the person and call them out for being horrible. I... don't know from experience. Friends told me. Heheh.
The guy was very polite but its still kinda demotivating to just be removed from groups like this. They're never going to learn this way and will eventually just quit the game if they cant do its endgame content.
For hard content, in any game and community, there is a 96% chance that someone, or even multiple people have made very detailed guides. If the bad player gets kicked for not knowing the mechanics, it's on them to study up on how to improve, not to get carried through the content. Especially when it's causing the entire raiding group to fail multiple runs that can last hours. It's not just the 1 player that's wasting that time, it's a whole group of other people. It's harsh but necessary, because at the end of the day if the person getting removed can't perform, then they can't perform. They can study up, improve their knowledge of it, and then try again later and not get booted. Whether it be through items or knowledge, time can be spent prior to the raid to be good enough to pass it. No one likes to spend hours on something that others know they have the ability to properly clear on someone who is just not there yet. That's more demotivating to the entire rest of the group.
Okay in order (Addressing all the replies at once) (Violu) - Not everyone learns by watching, a lot of people only learn through trial and error. - No, its not on them for not knowing how to play if they keep getting kicked from groups and can't experience the content enough to get used to it. - Most groups kick players after 1 or 2 attempts because they feel entitled to beating content fast, even if it just released so no its not necessary and its actually damaging to the game. (Leakypipe) - And thats fair enough, i'm not going to give them shit for that but lets not pretend like this isn't common with ANY kind of raid group in WoW. Even groups that are literally just starting to progress through new content. WoW players got entitled as shit over the years vs back in the days that people would gladly spend hours progressing through something together. (zzsdkzzz) - Not saying it is, I'm more saying that next time you see that the numbers for WoW are horrible again and people are quiting in droves that THIS is part of the reason why.
@@arcadius3257 Just because people want to raid the hardest content doesn't mean they have the ability to do so. Everyone has a ceiling. It's not fair to blame sub count or player engagement on 18 players not wanting 2 bads in their clear group.
The divide between players who understand and casuals who dont is the issue with WoW today. One half of the playerbase does its weekly content and understands/respects each others time, the other half of the playerbase wants YOU to do it for them and god forbid you dont. Otherwise You are the enemy. You are the problem. This issue in itself breeds 85% of the toxicity you see in WoW. And the really fucked part is its usually casuals who incite the most toxic situations with their unbounding lack of knowledge and entitlement. They literally bring it on themselves and then blame you for their inability to press more than 2 buttons per minute while dodging mechanics. Every guild has a few shitters than dont want to put the effort in and anyone who is seasoned with raiding knows this. Again, its the fucking casuals who expect to be taken to mythic for Nothing. They dont contribute they take the loot and swap guilds. Then they wonder why no one wants them around. Its sickening.
Ye, fucking casual healer who made exactly two mistakes before getting kicked. Contributed nothing. My bud the actual problem is that some vocal wow players and salty RLs are toxic as fuck. Nobody wants to play with them because being new is a fucking crime. And I am saying that you have to do one or two mistakes before you either get blamed or kicked. My friend started whining hard when I made a missclick, and I had to listen to him talking in such a devastated and tired tone like I made a same mistake 500 times when I was trying the dungeon for the first time. It's not the casuals, cause WoW itself is casual, it's mentally unstable players that kill the game, cause if you dare waste 2 minutes of their time they will summon the wrath of the Gods.
People are hating on this dude for trimming the raid, but if you've ever been in a group like this it's magical how when you boot some of the people who were doing terribly you suddenly down the boss you've been wiping on for hours the next pull.
no, they're mad at him trimming the raid while keeping around dead weight like Asmon because he's a streamer.
@@aidenlenhardt4163 So did u watch the full stream? The ones he kicked is who died early and cannot mechanic right? So cannot do mechanic right is the most basic to get kicked in a raid. So what is wrong? At least asmo do mechanic right?
bad players gonna hate
Nah, he was a complete asshole about it. Instead of saying we gotta remove some people and simply removing them. He added on his snide comments for them on the way out. He's the exact kind of arrogant PoS that I hate.
@@aidenlenhardt4163 Asmon isn't dead weight though? He knows mechanics and plays the game religiously, he's not as dead weight as you think.
"No cases to be made" that line was so cold
Cause he's a loser with no friends
I love this raid lead. Straight up removed the guy from the raid and the call without naming anyone. I doubt everyone even noticed who left in the end. Didn't shame, didn't flame. Didn't comment afterwards. Professional.
Later that same raid lead was reported for abuse.
be polite
be efficient
have a plan to remove everyone you meet from the raid group and call
@@twocows360 Is that a tf2 refference ?
@@rawinn6523 that is indeed
@@vobic13 proof?
Zack was like " oh nonnono; plz no" for a second, he went from despair to dying of laughing in 10secs.
one of the calmest WOW Raid Leaders I've seen/heard lol
Not even a hint of barely contained rage. It just makes him scarier.
If you want people to perform well keeping keeping people calm it's going to help them perform
man, if your raid leader yell, just go away, its a bad leader and bad raid, a real raid leader is calm and thinking, do you see any raid leader in the WF guilds yelling ? nope, they are always calm
ya had raidleaders/gms that would rage all the time, the worst people to raid with they r such downers
Thanks bud
He was respectful, he did what needed to be done.
it was not needed. stick with it and get it done.
he wasnt respectful at all
You are right, people on your comments are just dumb
Looks like this thread of is full of people who expect to be carried.
@@dogswifty7800 Yep, the same people you meet in pugs, "Yea I know what to do" **dies at the first mechanic**
if people think this guy is rude, they have no idea how bad it can get 😂
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He's just a coward
@@mightyfineincredible2252 fr people are just too scared of losing repeatedly, over and over. Shaking in their boots, dare i say trembling even!
What a dumb thing to say rolflmfao
because ruder people exists doesn't means he's not...
@@mightyfineincredible2252nice bait
Damn, having a leader kicking off someone in a raid this calm and respectful in an MMORPG is almost a miracle in Asian server, respect the dude.
The vibe I got is "Sorry but your skill is hindering the team repeatedly, go practice and come back when you get better."
Being straight up and honest about things is the best way to teach people. Instantly makes the majority people open a guide rather than accepting another free boost.
Theres no skill in pressing keys on a keyboard. Its just knowing what to do and having decent ping/internet
@@Sothpawman yes there is a lvl of skill. cause people are better than others.
@@Sothpawman says the guy who probs kicks a ball around on a field and thinks hes mechanically amazing
@@Sothpawman ...
I was in a raid with a guild that picked up some randos(me) once similar to this that they calmly said they were going to remove some people to get a better setup. They were all chill and all. I was confident I wasn't going to be removed. I was top DPS and knew what I was doing. Then all of a sudden was removed. Was surprised and thought I must have been wrong on a mechanic or something. Then suddenly half of that guild is messaging me to rejoin because they accidentally removed me. Was a weird night.
It's because they'd rather play with their guildmate instead of you.
he didn't instantly kick bad players. They wiped like 3-4 times before this happened.
This is necessary context, 1 fuck up is harsh, 3 is reasonable, 4 is patient.
They basically was as useful as a rug
Wrong
@@I_Crit_My_Pantswhy did you comment on a 1 year old post with the word wrong and nothing else? Are you going to at all state your case or maybe direct people towards a link that supports your claims?
@@Tea_SRCorrect
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- Apparently Bad Player 2022
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retail wow is easy dont get it twisted
@@crowmaster9652 ya cause classic is soooo much harder ok boomer
@@defaultname7685 immediately go to attacking classic players Lmao, least defensive Retail player.
@@ye9945 what about the other dude who started it by attacking retail players?
That’s actually very well done , good job for those raid leaders
Its the cringiest shit ive ever witnessed ... taking it all so seriously lmao.
@@bobbobb5759 on one hand, I can see your POV. But on the other, I would ask that you just consider that not everyone has the same amount of time on their hands as you do. People work for a living, have children, families, etc. that they have to take care of. You can’t afford to spend 45 minutes wiping to one boss due to ignorant or bad players when you only have 2 hours to play.
@@chaous55 all the more reason they should focus on helping people improve rather than wordlessly boot them. Only insuring bad players remain bad players without giving them chance to improve. I have a full time job, house, and family so the whole "only has 2 hours" excuse is a load of shit, he has ample time.
as someones who did a side job in esports turning bad players into good players, that shit takes even more time lol.
@@bobbobb5759 Unless you were Raid leader and have xp leading ppl in raid you cant comment.. I have and this guy knows his shit
This is a raid leadee i can get behind. Nothing personal or rude said, he even wished em a good evening. I know people can make mistakes and even good players get kicked from these raids sometimes. I dont mind one honest mistake, but it does waste the time of a raid if 19 other people, its disrespectful to them to keep failing because it wastes their time and if you are not improving after your mistake its basicly an issue of you not caring about wasting peoples time enough to learn a mechanic. To me this was respectful, no insults and they can try again later.
if this was classic sure, but retail is like too easy you either do the mechanics or not and they are baby easy
@@crowmaster9652 Retail mechanics are easy compared to classic? You lfr enjoyer or what?
@@crowmaster9652 wtf are you on about? comparing retail mechanics to classic mechanics and saying retail mechanics are easy! KEKW clown
@@crowmaster9652 “is like too easy” nice descriptor.
@@AD-ro6yp the only hard part is getting enough people, retail not popular enough
For the people going "Ugh 11th dps, stays couse streamer privilige", first of all Yes.
But second of all, dps is less important than not fucking up. If you know your mechanics, you follow directions and you dont fuck up, a lower dps is okay. I mean thats how a ranking works, SOMEONE has to be 11th place.
That is not true , both matter especially in mythic , I get it they should outgear this by quite a bit but still . Even if you do mechanics perfectly or rarely mess up but your dps is mediocre you are a liability , you should have to excel in both .
True. However seeing how he got 58 min on food buff and they are on P3 of Sylvannas, I would assume he died during the fight and got a druid battle resurrect. So it's likely he did fuck up somewhere. It would explain why his DPS is so low though.
@@saula8948 uuuu look at Mr perfect... People like you are reason why MMOs are dead.
@@wykydytron Bro I am talking about mythic raiding . If you are not doing great damage and doing mechanics correctly mythic raiding is not for you . I never said I was perfect but when I use to play I always looked to learn and improve and people valued me because I rarely screwed up and was most of the times high up on the dps charts .
Do you think world first guilds will invite people who do mechanics correct but have mediocre dps ? Not a chance in hell , both go hand in hand . If you are not doing both well you are a liability to the raid , if you don't like that don't do mythic raiding .
For any tier bellow that it is fine if you are mediocre but not for mythic especially when its current content .
I am not the reason why MMOs are dead , most people don't do mythic content .
If you were leading a mythic raid and people were doing the right mechanics but because their dps is not to par you wouldn't replace anybody unless they improved ? If you can't kill the boss because the damage is low then that is the problem of the people doing low damage , and if everybody is doing the correct mechanics it makes sense that you will remove the weakest links who do mediocre or even bad damage . To be offended by this is just laughable .
@@saula8948 I didnt say it didnt matter, i said it matters less. Dosent matter how high your dps is, if you cause a wipe couse you fuck up on mechanics, you are a solo hardstuck for progression. However if you do all mechanics perfectly but have low dps, yes you are not the perfect raid member, but you dont actively prevent progression.
This is evidenced by the fact that the 2 people we see being kicked is 1: A healer and 2: uncertain, but since the dps meter didnt change, we can assume its either a healer or at least a lower dps than 12th place.
This raid leader was chill. I was in a naxx 25 the other night and half the raid left because raid leader started calling people out and encouraging people to whisper them talking shit. That was the end of that.
Dude is 100% working in HR.
No, he is not. He is definitely a 400 pounds loser
i remember trying to do heroic ghuun for aotc, went through probably hundreds of people and took around 18 hours. think i was the only one who stayed from the absolute beginning, but when we beat it, everyone in the discord released the biggest collective sigh of relief i've ever heard.
Hate to be the one to tell you this but sounds like you were probably the issue KEK
@@iRicowin That's the most braindead hot take I've heard in a while
@@iRicowin who hurt you
@@iRicowin Insecurities making you spread hate on YT again, huh?
@@iRicowin KEK, (See I used gamer talk too, LUL)
Everyone in comments malding so hard over this OMEGALUL. I'll give a quick rundown hopefully answers questions.
1. This was like 4th or 5th pull in. The two that got kicked were repeat offenders of causing the raid to wipe.
2. Asmon set this raid up/leader offered to carry him the kill to get the mount so obviously wasn't gonna get kicked.
3. Leader was chill the whole time and gave enough chances to those that got kicked.
4. They got 2 new replacements in the matter of 1 minute and downed the boss 2 pulls later lol.
just to be precise, it actually took 25 seconds for him to invite the replacements lol
@@slinttu1378 True
the healer vedney caused no wipes he only was a victim of a chain explosion on the second pull and it just so happened he got hit by rive in p1 on the third pull, this was what he meant by when he said he wanted to "make a case" as he only personally messed up once albeit on something dumb. I don't know about the other guys I think it was just low dps and early deaths but maybe watch the vod first before declaring they were repeat offenders of anything
Thanks for the breakdown bud, your willingness to clarify is much appreciated
@@swordfish350dead healer is a useless one.
The laugh burst of asmon was ALSO tied to the relief of not beeing kicked from the raid and i loved it XD
I've been one of those people that were replaced before. Didn't have enough survivability as a tank for the four horseman. Got some upgrades and came back the next week with the same raid and did fine. I hope those players that got kicked weren't discouraged and instead went to improve
Highly doubt since raid leads like this quickly get reported and put on ignore lists since it's clear theyre not a raid leader just a raid guide
@@lordrevan571 i don't get what that has to do with what i said
@@lordrevan571 bro a raid lead like this is the most respectful thing to do; why you hard crying
@@lordrevan571 A raid lead has to make tough decisions sometimes. They are responsible for the success of the raid not one single raid member.
@@JSmellerM Sorry, no, wrong opinion come back when you have a correct one. *Blocks and ignores.* that's basically what this raid leader is, if this is in your mentality a good, non toxic way to play a video game, you're autistic.
People say this is rude but in fact this is exactly what I would want from my raid lead, even if I was on the chopping block. Clear, concise, to the point, no drama, and moved on as soon as it was over. What ever the position, be it raid lead, fleet commander, squad/platoon lead, etc - Take notes. This is how you remove someone from the group.
He got mass reported and banned, so he didnt do a good job
@@everythingpony proof?
@@EriSenshur look up his account, its banned now
@@kevindie because he was a bad leader?
@@everythingpony can confirm, got banned
christ, gus wouldn't stand a chance in this raid
Gus is a great hero. Don't slander his greatness.
If Gus gets kicked, we riot.
Gus would have her dead in phase one
Well, he's probably out there collecting soul shards and training, not all about the raid for gus
*Kicks out people for failing mechanics and being worse than asmon in dps(12th place)*
YT Chat: "CLEARLY HE'S RECEIVING SPECIAL TREATMENT AS A STREAMER, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS" LULW
If ur gonna complain, at least be right about it lol
being 12th place when there are 14 dpsers, and the only other guy in the raid whos the same spec as him is doing literally MORE than double his dps?
mate, please
@@Exata1337 They kicked a healer and a DPS that wasn’t even on the meter. Try again
@@Exata1337 You can't dps if you're dead, asmon could have 1mil dps & other guy be 5x that but dies 1min into encounter.
you can't fix stupid with iLvlL. learning the fight is the bare minimum, not a luxury
@@shenratensai but the dude is clearly alive during their wipe in the video? hes shitting on asmongolds dps
@@Exata1337 its literaly only about mechanics, its old content the dmg is enough.
dang that swordish guy does a lot of damage that's crazy
"these are the only times i love raiding" when someone else gets kicked and you stay?? thats the best dude
Fuck yea
Feelsgoodman
It's about the only thing that differentiates yourself from bad players. Not getting kicked means you're good.
You are just putting words in his mouth, you have no idea what he meant by that.
you must be 13 years old if thats what you think he meant LOL guarantee you were born after the year 2000
Dude works in HR.
I love when people get mad about the actions of a group they were not even part of in a game they probably don't even play.
It's a mental illness these people have lmao
best option to make people being useful and good in the party, kick him from the party so he would question his gaming...in best situation
Well maybe the toxic elitism is a part of why they dont play it anymore
Eh, it's still annoying to hear someone act like that. Kinda a dick move to let someone in a raid, or any other high tier content, and then kick them when they don't perform to your standards. It just means you're an idiot and didn't bother to check your group beforehand. It's behavior that often goes hand-in-hand with whiny as fuck egotistical assholes.
The dude in the clip was actually pretty chill about it, but the action itself has a rather visceral hit for anyone who's been deemed "not good enough to run with the big boys" before. Especially after being told you could do so. Just plan ahead. If you wanna be competitive and minimax...actually do it and plan shit out. Underprepared leaders are some of the most annoying people to deal with.
so nobody should react to anything ever unless you're a part of it.. huh
WHERE'S THE FULL RAID VID? I NEED THE FULL RAID VID NOW!
Never forget raid lead kicked his gf after we wiped for hours and then 2 more pulls downed it. Made her learn how to play too after and became a way better player.
This is very polite, even if you're the one on the chopping block I wouldn't feel too bad
Maaan, the nothing-personal attitude here is astonishing. No excuses, no begging and no insults. I kinda respect that.
He's the reason wow is currently shit so.
He insults people all the time.
such a good leader man. very good. no rant no drama no hard feelings just good leadership decisions. i like it!
Looks like a PUG raid and that's honestly the best way to do it, give folks a few shots and slowly weed out the ones that can't keep up. No point wasting everyone's time, no point making a fuss over those that have to still improve. Just a simple "Yo, we are going to replace some folks" and boop.
We do this in our Main Raid too. Our Raid ends at 22:30 and when we struggle on a boss we remove the deadweights at 22:00, we usually kill the bosses first try then because only the people capable of playing mechanics stay.
Totally fine with this stuff on higher difficulties. It's the guys who insta-kick the newbies that piss me tf off. Totally not because of personal experience or anything. Experience that made me not learn a single raid in Destiny 2 until I made my own clan
"Have a good evening."
Guy who got kicked "I...."
Friend of RL : "HAVE A GOOD EVENING."
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR
Well he said have a good night
In case i dont see ya....
Thats pretty pathetic
pretty respectful leader imo. is usually either silent or rage kick from raids i've been in
I think this raid lead is great, he removes them respectively, didnt get mad and said have a good evening. The players did not rage either. I think that if we had more raid groups like this we would be better.
Kicking after 1 pull is literal braindamage
it was multiple pulls and 3-4 wipes.....i think you have brain damage
If you know the context it makes sense why he says no cases to be made.
The worst is keeping shitters in the raid to punish the better players for being super late without notifying anyone and no valid excuse.
Or getting someone a piece of gear nobody needs on a class you need despite the player being subpar.
As much as I understand why people dislike this, I have never seen anyone handle the situation better than this RL. If I got booted in this fashion I wouldn't even be mad.
'Have good evening " . lmao
This raid lead is chill and I find no problem on that. I had it far worse on my realm, I had to listen to my raid leads dropping f bombs and yelling at players who don't perform well in raids time to time
like a certain streamer we know
This is 100% how raid leaders should be. Didn't call out any names, didn't get made and throw a Riggnaros tantrum. He identified the problem, removed them quietly, and kept the raid moving.
Asmon is so far down the DPS list, he's behind those who died early despite being alive until the end. At some point low DPS is just as bad as not doing the mechanics correctly. He should have been replaced as well but wasn't because he's a streamer. I would have left that raid on my own.
Now thats a leader
I've been in a lot of ESO trials, and seen a few nice people turn a little sour over time as they started leading raids. They start out nice, make sure they know everything, lead the team and expect everyone to pull their weight. As time goes on and they lose more and more time due to incompetent players, they turn colder at least during raids.
Leading raids is stressful, there are many people who depend on the team, raids can take hours.
Dead weight lessens the experience for all parties and a good leader should have the mentality to trim the fat if the raid is done to get gear. We used to do training runs every saturday, so it was a stress-free environment for learning before the gear-runs.
thats a good raid leader. there is no reason for any raid leader that isnt doing a learning run to deal with bad DPS/HEALs/tanks remove and get new ones. love how calm he was about it as well no room for talking just goodbye.
Even in a learning run you have to trim the fat at some point like if someone does the same mistake over and over again or someone's gear is so bad they die too easily.
Thats how its done, sometimes all u can do is send some ppl to practice and find new ones.
This is the way top end guilds used to run raids. It was chill and if you weren't up to snuff you were just gone.
Wonder how anyone gets up to snuff in the first place then...hmm...thats why your communities die.
@@leavingsoonduetocensorship3453 my community didn't die, wow died because all the talent left.
- And that is a good thing!
this happened to me during the fight against anduin, he wispper me and others I did not take it the wrong way but others thought differently and left the guild because they were removed from the raid. later I got better in the fight and there were no more problems
This is a big reason why I stopped raiding. I'd start the groups, summon everyone, we'd get far in the raid and people would die on the harder bosses. Eventually I'd pass lead to someone more experienced with the boss. I'd usually survive since I'd study mechanics prior but would get kicked for DPS not being at the top despite the ones at the top dying to mechanics.
This is probably the most polite and respectful raid leader I have seen in both wow and FFXIV.
Didn't blame, harass and call out anyone. He did what he had to do. When you are in a raid group not formed from close friends and dying a lot + fking up the mechanic, you are giving more stress to other members that are doing the mechanic correctly. They are not your close friends that are patience enough to keep going untill you learn. So the raid leader have to take action before it starts annoying the other players. That is the harsh reality
> .... and FFXIV.
You clearly never heard Sfia ASMR Raidlead callouts
That's how you run a pug. Take NO prisoners.
Definitely done myself, use the early/easy bosses to spot weak players and toss them for your sanity and the health of the group.
Really helps that modern non-mythic raiding is flex so you can toss everyone who isn't core
Those guys that get removed also have the chance to come back. This wasn't a random raid but a guild group and I bet there is someone who can help them get better if they want to. If they don't want to, good riddance.
Asmon doubted himself for 2.5 seconds.
I.....
I felt dat
« No cases to be made, have a good night » 😂
A good leader leads by example and teaches the students. It's shit like this why there's so many people with no experience... because they can't get experience and become good when not having the opportunity because of losers like this leader who thinks he was never just as noob as they are before... Classic case of forget where you came from. I lead raids, I explain the fight and the roles to those who don't know. They learn it and then there's more people in wow who know how...
I used to play with a VERY large clan on planetside 2. On Sunday nights ops we usually were around 90+ people on teamspeak (much better than discord for large groups). Since platoons only could hold 48 players we always made 3 platoons, two with the casuals and newbies lead by very experienced players (1 platoon commamder and 4 squad leaders), and the 3rd platoon was filled with the best players. All 3 platoon leaders had comms with each other and coordinated attacks, decoys and other crazy tactics.
Usually the enemy forces send equal or similar amount of players to deal against your platoon. Having a small but talented platoon always created chaos in enemy logistics. Having to send 48~96 players to deal against 20 veterans (on defensive possitions) was something special.
How they do my boi vedney like that
even if the raid leader wanted to kick assmuncher he couldn't because he knows big streamers are a protected class and he would just get banned by blizzard for hurting their streamer's experience.
It sucks to get kicked yeah but it sucks even worse when over 20 people can't get something done when they could just replace you and get someone with double the output. It's frustrating when there's this 1-2 undergeared people. Much better to just kick and move on. Unless you're like 11/12 bosses down and dude is locked from killing final boss. That's a little more fucked up in that case, but when it really comes down to it you gotta do what you gotta do.
He did what was necessary, for Lordaeron.
all of the people bitching about him replacing dead weight are just bad
My raid lead used to do the three strike system. Worked wonders.
I'm raidlead occasionally and you absolutely have to be strict in order to make it done. Otherwise you wasting everyones time.
100% you looked for gus.
This is how I used to handle my raid. It's not personal, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Virgin "Have a good evening" versus the chad "THAT'S FUCKING 50 DKP MINUS! WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT?!"
Happened to me before several times when I was like 11-12. Back in the day it was fucking soul crushing to get removed like this, but at 28 I perfectly understand that some people simply just don't have the time.
The level of customer service here is off the charts.
This dude was a beast if you get mad stay mad because clearly u want the ones that fucks up raids 😂
Bro said have a good evening so disrespectfuly😅😂
Random: "I......."
*Boot*
Raid lead :"Have a good night"
Looooool
RL: "Alright im done carrying bads, get em the fuck out."
Lol... "no cases to be made.... have a good night"
Sometimes you gotta let the trash know they're trash. Truth hurts.
Do you watch gm Ben finegold streams/videos by any chance?
you're right. hello, trash. that's you, by the way.
"I..." - that guy, 2022.
What a polite and efficient raid leader. I can't believe people would hate on him for that. It's infinitely better behavior than the bald nerds who rage and try to lecture the bad players.
I think its because they are tryharding on an easy game
True, but there's even a better option. Take the raging lecturers, and remove the rage. Keep the lecture. As in attempt to explain what to do. If that don't work out, then kick.
@@mitkoogrozev It's better to just politely kick them without being demeaning like this guy did. This raid leader was giving clear commands to his raid, so he shouldn't have to babysit a bad player or go out of his way to give unsolicited advice to them. A bad player will just feel worse when they inevitably get kicked because they didn't improve at all after you lectured them.
@@MexicanTeTe Yes, indeed he was giving out timed commands, which is alright. But I mean more than that after it is noticed that it's insufficient.
I used the word ''lecture'' because it flows well from what you said. But I don't mean lecture in any emotionally charged way. I'm just using it to mean something like "information". Since the words are synonymous or related. Without the demeaning aspect. That's what I meant by "remove the rage".
In a raid, there's no unsolicited advice. People want do to it successfully. Providing info is helpful to achieve that and it's better than having to start it up all over again with a new group, provided what I allude to in the previous paragraphs is followed.
Being kicked with NO information means you have no clue at all what was the problem, and you definitely would have learned nothing. And since joining a new group and doing it all over again from the start can be a hassle, the more you just get kicked or people leave without any reason, the more it leaves you no reason to continue to try. I've had awesome raid leaders who after timed commands failed him, he explained in advance why it's done like it's done, and the sequence of the fight. And then the timed commands make much more sense and people are more aware of what's going on in the raid as a whole.
But alas this has happened extremely rarely in the years I've player randomly grouped raids. Maybe 2 times in years. Such useful people seem to be rare.
@@crowmaster9652 you're so cringe, you keep insisting the game isn't hard across multiple comment threads, despite you saying classic has harder mechanics than retail, which is obviously false.
You have no idea what you're talking about and anyone who sees your comments should throw your opinion in the trash where it belongs.
The music sets the mood afterwards lol
This is a big reason as to why raiding is so bad. Don't invite us and waste our time and money, if you're just going to remove people. Say it as calm as you'd like, it's toxic behavior. Telling someone to kick a dog "politely" is still toxic. Grow up kids, it's a video game.
bad detected 🚨
dude was professional and wasnt even mad. I repspect that.
Wow, that explanation was so clear!
lol i raided for years, but never pugged ever lol. had the same group of people year in year out. seeing this i can see how stressful some people find raiding lol
Video games is serious business
Ahhhh a old meme but it checks out
Chad raid lead. This type of mentality and attitude would bring him far in the corporate world.
I really didn't mind playing with bad players. I liked helping other players out and working together to achieve a goal. Sometimes it was just fun playing with other people.
The problem is if everyone else is focused on clearing, you do need to get the ones who can't do mechs out of the group
Raid leader did good job not raging and mentioning specific names
Everything what you say is fine, except for the fact that there's 19 other people in the raid that might not neccesarily have time or patience for that. You gotta make decisions for majority's interest, if you'll raid lead pugs you'll understand. Guild runs are usually a little bit more personal and accepting, but still, you have to make sure you're doing your best.
In FF14 they differentiate between farm parties, clear parties and learning parties. Each one caters to different skill levels and players go into each one with the expectations clearly laid out. Bad/new players are generally expected to stick to learning parties because the atmosphere there is more forgiving of mistakes. Clear and farm are less tolerant of people wasting their time with constant mistakes, and that seems to be what this guy was expecting from this party. No fuss, no drama, if you can't carry your weight you will be replaced, have a good night.
true and people wonder why mmo's are on a downfall. people want to one shot everything and when that doesn't happen they start kicking, bad experience lead to leaving the game leads to low players numbers leaving only the old players around. bad approach, and this is coming from a team leader that won several national titles and made deep international runs on another games, but the point is the same.
@@luciofilipe There are multiple difficulties, never punch up, simple as that, if your skill level is normal don't try to join a heroic if you are not ready, nothing wrong with people not wanting to carry others, join a guild for that
lol the panic sets in.... he is kind and nice about it and right to the fkn point! "No cases to be made... Bye"
remember when you fought a boss as a group and try to better people now it is like I'm at a dmv praying not to wait to tomorrow to get my license.
"no hard feeling, don't take it personnally" 😂
If you get replaced, it definitly mean that they think that you suck 🤣
If you can't see that you suck then there is a problem
No cases to be made. I'm here to kill bosses, not play Judge Judy. Love it.
I like how he respectfully Kicked him out and they were both chill 😂
The way a raid group should be when the content is as old as it is.
Raid trimming is essencial to pug groups. I've raid led hc Ghuuns before and I hate wasting people's time, resources and energy. Just like the guy said, no hard feelings. Whoever got kicked, don't be angry, get better, watch some videos about the encounter, improve your gear, rotation ect. and better luck next time. Like Dark Souls community likes to say, just "Git Gud".
Must be a Canadian raid leader. US raid leader would call out the specific person, scream at them, and then his cohorts would whisper the person and call them out for being horrible. I... don't know from experience. Friends told me. Heheh.
The guy was very polite but its still kinda demotivating to just be removed from groups like this.
They're never going to learn this way and will eventually just quit the game if they cant do its endgame content.
For hard content, in any game and community, there is a 96% chance that someone, or even multiple people have made very detailed guides.
If the bad player gets kicked for not knowing the mechanics, it's on them to study up on how to improve, not to get carried through the content. Especially when it's causing the entire raiding group to fail multiple runs that can last hours. It's not just the 1 player that's wasting that time, it's a whole group of other people. It's harsh but necessary, because at the end of the day if the person getting removed can't perform, then they can't perform. They can study up, improve their knowledge of it, and then try again later and not get booted.
Whether it be through items or knowledge, time can be spent prior to the raid to be good enough to pass it.
No one likes to spend hours on something that others know they have the ability to properly clear on someone who is just not there yet.
That's more demotivating to the entire rest of the group.
The group was made to get a quick clear for Asmon's mount. This was not a learning group whatsoever.
Not his job to teach.
Okay in order (Addressing all the replies at once)
(Violu)
- Not everyone learns by watching, a lot of people only learn through trial and error.
- No, its not on them for not knowing how to play if they keep getting kicked from groups and can't experience the content enough to get used to it.
- Most groups kick players after 1 or 2 attempts because they feel entitled to beating content fast, even if it just released so no its not necessary and its actually damaging to the game.
(Leakypipe)
- And thats fair enough, i'm not going to give them shit for that but lets not pretend like this isn't common with ANY kind of raid group in WoW.
Even groups that are literally just starting to progress through new content.
WoW players got entitled as shit over the years vs back in the days that people would gladly spend hours progressing through something together.
(zzsdkzzz)
- Not saying it is, I'm more saying that next time you see that the numbers for WoW are horrible again and people are quiting in droves that THIS is part of the reason why.
@@arcadius3257 Just because people want to raid the hardest content doesn't mean they have the ability to do so. Everyone has a ceiling. It's not fair to blame sub count or player engagement on 18 players not wanting 2 bads in their clear group.
This behavior out of the raid leader is fine as long as the point of the raid is stated up front. Like, "quick clears, know your shit".
The divide between players who understand and casuals who dont is the issue with WoW today.
One half of the playerbase does its weekly content and understands/respects each others time, the other half of the playerbase wants YOU to do it for them and god forbid you dont. Otherwise You are the enemy. You are the problem.
This issue in itself breeds 85% of the toxicity you see in WoW. And the really fucked part is its usually casuals who incite the most toxic situations with their unbounding lack of knowledge and entitlement. They literally bring it on themselves and then blame you for their inability to press more than 2 buttons per minute while dodging mechanics.
Every guild has a few shitters than dont want to put the effort in and anyone who is seasoned with raiding knows this.
Again, its the fucking casuals who expect to be taken to mythic for Nothing. They dont contribute they take the loot and swap guilds. Then they wonder why no one wants them around. Its sickening.
Ye, fucking casual healer who made exactly two mistakes before getting kicked. Contributed nothing. My bud the actual problem is that some vocal wow players and salty RLs are toxic as fuck. Nobody wants to play with them because being new is a fucking crime. And I am saying that you have to do one or two mistakes before you either get blamed or kicked. My friend started whining hard when I made a missclick, and I had to listen to him talking in such a devastated and tired tone like I made a same mistake 500 times when I was trying the dungeon for the first time. It's not the casuals, cause WoW itself is casual, it's mentally unstable players that kill the game, cause if you dare waste 2 minutes of their time they will summon the wrath of the Gods.
this entire paragraph is toxic elitist nonsense. go touch grass and take a shower, kid.
Real easy to tell who has raided in a proper guild in these comments. This dude is great.
Yep, a lot of people who never raided are acting like this raid leader is Hitler lmfao
Just started wow this week after a couple years being absent, this still happens 😢