I like your terminology for these stivot turns, where a float is used at the top of the turn to redirect. On your ride phase you can try an active pull rather than a gradual diminishing of push. You'll instantly snap across over to the new edge. Delaying the snap gives a full ride phase, while an early snap can be done immediately out of the sting phase. This offers playful variation in the turns.
I call it “little bend”. When I have direction change, i can “release” the COM from the inside by giving a little bend on the outside ski. This introduces a glide and maintains momentum Into transition. Play with the rate of little bend of the outside led; this move is awesome on ice!!! No chatter! And smooth
I think a helpful distinction between the 'sting' and 'ride' phases of the turn is where the pressure is coming from. In this style of turn, you bring your feet up closer to your center of mass through the release/transition phase, and generate pressure from the energy created by your feet and legs moving under your CoM and slamming the edges into the snow in the 'Sting' - where the skis are bending because you are pushing on them with big muscle groups. Then as you move through the fall line, gravity starts to take over and generate more of the forces required to bend the skis through the 'Ride' phase, which can feel like an unloading. Great vid.
Спасибо за ваши наставления. Взял для себя полезное от ваших видео. Порой подплуживал при перекантовке, теперь применяю быстрое приставление внутренней ноги(лыжи), к внешней(опорной). Получается и быстрее и более красиво. Правда на хороших скоростях, лыжи и так перекантовываю одновременно в воздухе. Нравятся ваши видео, и ваши детки молодцы, достойная замена растёт!
I call it- little bend- where the outside leg begins to bend when I want to release the turn and enter transition. this causes COM to release from inside of the turn and move over the BOS. very good move for ice, since you regulate the edge : play with the rate of the little bend of the outside leg I use this move when I want to start to release the turn prior to transition
@@suzannef5 that is a much more eloquent way of describing it. You certainly get it, and I will be keeping the “little bend” in my back pocket. Thank you
Used your stuff in Breck this week and i could really feel the sting. Felt like a wip from centrifugal force! As i felt that wip i actually used it go quickly to float and reverse my angles un the opposite direction. That force at the end of each turn aided me to rip in the opposite direction.
Hey! Absolutely love the Chanel. I thought it might be cool to see your ski travel in relation to your body travel via an above view - like top down drone footage.
This is impressive skiing. I think the the timing depends on the turn. When skiing longer GS turns, the top WC skiers do appear to do what you termed a "ride" (in which the stance leg stays long; you described it as a "mostly static outside leg") after the sting, waiting to flex the stance leg until they approach the transition. By contrast, in shorter GS turns, and in SL, there doesn't appear to be much of a "ride". Instead, it appears they begin to gradually flex the stance leg as soon as the sting is over (typically just at or after the apex), flexing continously until they reach the transition. Thoughts?
Absolutely true @AaaBbb-br2ts there are infinite turns that can be made. In a SL or shorter GS turn the outside leg does need to flex during the ride phase. The reason I still think “ride” is a good term is because while the outside leg is flexing the pressure on the outside ski remains relatively constant. The “pop” at the end of a turn comes from maintaining outside ski pressure to completion. If you had a gradual release of pressure to completion there would be no “pop”. Of course there are slight variations on everything, so by no means am I saying the outside ski pressure is absolutely consistent apex to completion. Try to “ride” and see how it affects your turns at any radius. Best of luck and check back in
@@skidadTV I completely agree. If you flex too much or too aggressively, you soak up all those launching forces you get from the bottom of the turn, and lose the float-you’ve made your legs like a long-travel suspension on a motorcycle. And you don’t want to lose the float. So it’s a matter of adjusting the degree and timing of the flexion to get just the amount of float you want. I don’t fully understand this stuff but it seems that, in slalom, you don’t want a lot of float, since that takes too long. And you don’t want to wait until the end of the turn to flex, since things are moving so fast in SL that you’d need to retract your legs suddenly, resulting in a more jerky transition. By starting the flex at the apex, and finishing at the bottom, you get a smoother, more fluid transition. By contrast, GS is different. You have more time, so you can delay the flex and still get a fluid transition. And I’m not sure about this but in GS, particularly on the less-steep sections, I think racers like Odermatt sometimes deliberately use less flexion to get more of a launch, which they turn into a big lateral redirect. And speaking of redirects/stivots: I know this is OT for this video, but I saw your interview with Reilly in which you were talking about rolling the skis on edge at the top of the turn vs. delaying edge engagement until the “sting”. What I’ve noticed is that, particularly in steeper sections, racers like Hirscher and Schiffrin will indeed stivot during the float, such that by the time the skis have landed they’re already mostly pointing downhill, so there’s not much high-C edge engagement. But what I’ve also noticed is this: Regardless of whether they are floating or edging in the high-C, the timing of the tipping seems the same: They are rolling those skis up onto an angle in the high-C, regardless of whether the skis are in contact with the snow or floating above it. I.e., what’s cool is that they maintain essentially the same tipping mechanics regardless of whether they are on the snow or above it. And I see you doing just that during you own float (e.g., start about 2:18 in your video). At least, that’s what it appears to me. Like I said, there’s a lot about this I don’t understand.
So your point here is making turns in a narrower corridor than actually just letting the skis carve an arc through their natural radius i.e transitions with the skis on the ground 100% of the time?
Hi can you make video how to train sting before turn. I learned to ski with clean edges from start to finish and a dirty edge at the beginning of the turn is kind of scary for me, especially if the surface of the slope has soft parts.
The wall is directly down the fall line. Practice sliding with different intensities. Settle in on the one that is the easiest in the snow conditions of the day. It will always be slightly different so just stick with it and build your feel
@@skidadTV As i do hockey stop I always overdoing and my tails slides down to much then I move forward but unweighting the skis in the way so I can slide front tips of the skis down to point the fall line and then catching the edge. Need more practisece.
Здравствуйте. Уже четвертый сезон пытаюсь проехать на бедре по склону, как это делает Тед Лигети, Рейли Макглашен, Пол Лоренц к примеру. Это упражнение - траверса с глубоким наклоном к склону очень люблю. Помогает потом делать глубокие, закрытые, фанкарвинговые почти повороты. Круто! Но достать до склона бедром так и не могу. Не хватает сантиметров десять. Рука гребет по склону. Центробежная сила выкидывает наружу. Мешает внутренняя нога. Были неприятные падения. Лыжи, к слову, настроены классно, держат хорошо. Они не виноваты. Буду пробовать ваше упражнение, только не рукой, а палочкой с гардой(защитой) опираться. Так, наверно, безопасней будет. Чем можете помочь, посоветовать к продвижению моей цели.
I love that this is your goal. More angulation is all about how much pressure you are putting to the outside ski. Your focus should be how much power and how smooth you can put pressure to the outside ski. If you are trying to go inside as the goal, it will not work
What I’m struggling with is the “bases up the hill”. That feeling that your body is moving down the hill into the next turn and your new outside ski is not underneath you, and on edge and. The worry that you’ll simply fall over - but the forces will prevent this. Can’t really articulate this properly.
Bases up the hill is a super advanced maneuver that requires incredible balance and a ton of patience. It is only realistic on green terrain for most. Even experts only get in on blues. Focus on pressure to the outside from apex to completion and you should have better results
What. Starts. The. FLOAT? Pop? "Ride Release"?? The end of RIDE...the skis release energy...that the legs must absorb (avalement) to maintain balance...
These are a bit philosophical things, as turn kind of have to be too long, as it turns skis and legs under upper body to nex turn on the other side. In "perfect" turn this is not happening.
I like holding on to my turn a little longer, I believe its a little more stylistic, if thats a word. Doesn't matter as long as we are having fun, and that in life is what its all about. Everyone has there own style.
I like your terminology for these stivot turns, where a float is used at the top of the turn to redirect. On your ride phase you can try an active pull rather than a gradual diminishing of push. You'll instantly snap across over to the new edge. Delaying the snap gives a full ride phase, while an early snap can be done immediately out of the sting phase. This offers playful variation in the turns.
Sounds slightly terrifying. I’ll start out in the flats
I call it “little bend”. When I have direction change, i can “release” the COM from the inside by giving a little bend on the outside ski. This introduces a glide and maintains momentum
Into transition. Play with the rate of little bend of the outside led; this move is awesome on ice!!! No chatter! And smooth
I think a helpful distinction between the 'sting' and 'ride' phases of the turn is where the pressure is coming from. In this style of turn, you bring your feet up closer to your center of mass through the release/transition phase, and generate pressure from the energy created by your feet and legs moving under your CoM and slamming the edges into the snow in the 'Sting' - where the skis are bending because you are pushing on them with big muscle groups. Then as you move through the fall line, gravity starts to take over and generate more of the forces required to bend the skis through the 'Ride' phase, which can feel like an unloading.
Great vid.
...outstanding!!!...can't wait to do this...
Спасибо за ваши наставления. Взял для себя полезное от ваших видео. Порой подплуживал при перекантовке, теперь применяю быстрое приставление внутренней ноги(лыжи), к внешней(опорной). Получается и быстрее и более красиво. Правда на хороших скоростях, лыжи и так перекантовываю одновременно в воздухе. Нравятся ваши видео, и ваши детки молодцы, достойная замена растёт!
Appreciate the content. Heading off tonight for a three week ski holiday. Back into it last season after a 20+ year break. Loving it!
I call it- little bend- where the outside leg begins to bend when I want to release the turn and enter transition. this causes COM to release from inside of the turn and move over the BOS. very good move for ice, since you regulate the edge : play with the rate of the little bend of the outside leg
I use this move when I want to start to release the turn prior to transition
@@suzannef5 that is a much more eloquent way of describing it. You certainly get it, and I will be keeping the “little bend” in my back pocket. Thank you
Used your stuff in Breck this week and i could really feel the sting. Felt like a wip from centrifugal force! As i felt that wip i actually used it go quickly to float and reverse my angles un the opposite direction. That force at the end of each turn aided me to rip in the opposite direction.
That’s the idea @swingman50 keep shredding
Hey! Absolutely love the Chanel. I thought it might be cool to see your ski travel in relation to your body travel via an above view - like top down drone footage.
Yes, I want that view as well
This is impressive skiing. I think the the timing depends on the turn. When skiing longer GS turns, the top WC skiers do appear to do what you termed a "ride" (in which the stance leg stays long; you described it as a "mostly static outside leg") after the sting, waiting to flex the stance leg until they approach the transition. By contrast, in shorter GS turns, and in SL, there doesn't appear to be much of a "ride". Instead, it appears they begin to gradually flex the stance leg as soon as the sting is over (typically just at or after the apex), flexing continously until they reach the transition. Thoughts?
Absolutely true @AaaBbb-br2ts there are infinite turns that can be made. In a SL or shorter GS turn the outside leg does need to flex during the ride phase.
The reason I still think “ride” is a good term is because while the outside leg is flexing the pressure on the outside ski remains relatively constant.
The “pop” at the end of a turn comes from maintaining outside ski pressure to completion. If you had a gradual release of pressure to completion there would be no “pop”.
Of course there are slight variations on everything, so by no means am I saying the outside ski pressure is absolutely consistent apex to completion.
Try to “ride” and see how it affects your turns at any radius. Best of luck and check back in
@@skidadTV I completely agree. If you flex too much or too aggressively, you soak up all those launching forces you get from the bottom of the turn, and lose the float-you’ve made your legs like a long-travel suspension on a motorcycle. And you don’t want to lose the float. So it’s a matter of adjusting the degree and timing of the flexion to get just the amount of float you want. I don’t fully understand this stuff but it seems that, in slalom, you don’t want a lot of float, since that takes too long. And you don’t want to wait until the end of the turn to flex, since things are moving so fast in SL that you’d need to retract your legs suddenly, resulting in a more jerky transition. By starting the flex at the apex, and finishing at the bottom, you get a smoother, more fluid transition. By contrast, GS is different. You have more time, so you can delay the flex and still get a fluid transition. And I’m not sure about this but in GS, particularly on the less-steep sections, I think racers like Odermatt sometimes deliberately use less flexion to get more of a launch, which they turn into a big lateral redirect.
And speaking of redirects/stivots: I know this is OT for this video, but I saw your interview with Reilly in which you were talking about rolling the skis on edge at the top of the turn vs. delaying edge engagement until the “sting”. What I’ve noticed is that, particularly in steeper sections, racers like Hirscher and Schiffrin will indeed stivot during the float, such that by the time the skis have landed they’re already mostly pointing downhill, so there’s not much high-C edge engagement. But what I’ve also noticed is this: Regardless of whether they are floating or edging in the high-C, the timing of the tipping seems the same: They are rolling those skis up onto an angle in the high-C, regardless of whether the skis are in contact with the snow or floating above it. I.e., what’s cool is that they maintain essentially the same tipping mechanics regardless of whether they are on the snow or above it.
And I see you doing just that during you own float (e.g., start about 2:18 in your video).
At least, that’s what it appears to me. Like I said, there’s a lot about this I don’t understand.
So your point here is making turns in a narrower corridor than actually just letting the skis carve an arc through their natural radius i.e transitions with the skis on the ground 100% of the time?
There is still a significant float. This video is about the switch from sting to ride. 2 different pressures
great stuff as always!
great stuff
Hi can you make video how to train sting before turn. I learned to ski with clean edges from start to finish and a dirty edge at the beginning of the turn is kind of scary for me, especially if the surface of the slope has soft parts.
Think of it as a mini hockey stop across the hill, then moving forward out of it
SkiDad -
Your vids have broadened my view of "carving"...ie "skidding above the fall line isn't a disaster, and can have many benefits".
Could you go deeper into "the Wall" concept..and how you might generate variety and touch
Re: The Wall & Sting??
The wall is directly down the fall line. Practice sliding with different intensities. Settle in on the one that is the easiest in the snow conditions of the day. It will always be slightly different so just stick with it and build your feel
@@skidadTV
As i do hockey stop I always overdoing and my tails slides down to much then I move forward but unweighting the skis in the way so I can slide front tips of the skis down to point the fall line and then catching the edge. Need more practisece.
Здравствуйте. Уже четвертый сезон пытаюсь проехать на бедре по склону, как это делает Тед Лигети, Рейли Макглашен, Пол Лоренц к примеру. Это упражнение - траверса с глубоким наклоном к склону очень люблю. Помогает потом делать глубокие, закрытые, фанкарвинговые почти повороты. Круто! Но достать до склона бедром так и не могу. Не хватает сантиметров десять. Рука гребет по склону. Центробежная сила выкидывает наружу. Мешает внутренняя нога. Были неприятные падения. Лыжи, к слову, настроены классно, держат хорошо. Они не виноваты. Буду пробовать ваше упражнение, только не рукой, а палочкой с гардой(защитой) опираться. Так, наверно, безопасней будет. Чем можете помочь, посоветовать к продвижению моей цели.
I love that this is your goal.
More angulation is all about how much pressure you are putting to the outside ski. Your focus should be how much power and how smooth you can put pressure to the outside ski. If you are trying to go inside as the goal, it will not work
What I’m struggling with is the “bases up the hill”. That feeling that your body is moving down the hill into the next turn and your new outside ski is not underneath you, and on edge and. The worry that you’ll simply fall over - but the forces will prevent this. Can’t really articulate this properly.
Bases up the hill is a super advanced maneuver that requires incredible balance and a ton of patience. It is only realistic on green terrain for most. Even experts only get in on blues.
Focus on pressure to the outside from apex to completion and you should have better results
Thanks man 😊👍
Very helpful video. Any advice for getting the skis to swing out and better short leg/long leg?
Focus on the pressure you’re applying more than the angles you want to create
I like the phrase "meet the forces".
What. Starts. The. FLOAT?
Pop? "Ride Release"?? The end of RIDE...the skis release energy...that the legs must absorb (avalement) to maintain balance...
Yeah, all that
These are a bit philosophical things, as turn kind of have to be too long, as it turns skis and legs under upper body to nex turn on the other side. In "perfect" turn this is not happening.
I like holding on to my turn a little longer, I believe its a little more stylistic, if thats a word. Doesn't matter as long as we are having fun, and that in life is what its all about. Everyone has there own style.