Halo 2 was a great story and all, but I was constantly asking "Why doesn't MC ever have sex with a Covenant spy???" Glad this show finally addressed that glaring issue.
At this point might as well go full fanfiction and just have him fuck the hottest covenant bitches there is and just turn this into an alien woman conquest show
I'm baffled by why they chose to call the city "Reach City" on the planet Reach.... Halo Reach already named that city, it's New Alexandria. But they didn't play the fucking games or read the books so they wouldn't know that.
"It didn't take long for Reach to fall. Our enemy was ruthless, efficient - but they weren't nearly fast enough. For you had already passed the torch. Thanks to you, we found Halo, unlocked its secrets, shattered our enemy's resolve. Our victory- *Your* victory, was so close, I wish you could have lived to see it. But you belong to Reach. Your body, your armor, all burned and turned to glass- everything, except your *courage.* That you gave to us, and with it - we can rebuild." -Dr. Halsey. In Memorium, Noble 6.
Praise you massives for having E;R back as well as having Act Man on. It’s really cool to see Act Man, especially after the copyright drama situation. Thanks for the good rat!
This “Halo” show took the disrespect given to Luke Skywalker from the Sequel Trilogy and He-Man from Kevin Smith’s MOTU: Revelations as a challenge and said: “Hold my beer boys, THIS is how it’s done!”
Gave the show a shot seeing no trailers, or news about the show.. First episode I was not impressed beyond some costumes/armor. As soon as Chief took off the helmet, I knew what I was getting
@@TheObicobiHD yeah it looks pretty cheap. Even the overdone sets made to look like halo are so small and out of place that it feels like a multiplayer map instead of like a halo mission
The best description I saw for E;R on EFAP was: "E;R is our boi, he only talks when we deserve it." So glad to hear him talking more in this episode...so glad he is back!
Time Stamps 0:00 A Ship’s Name 1:40 What’s going on? 3:04 Introducing the guests 11:49 Fringy The Helmsman 13:04 The best reply in EFAP history 13:26 What do you think of Halo? 32:48 A Prospective of Adaptation 50:24 Characters 1:23:49 A bit of a tangent 1:31:00 Forerunners 1:33:14 Back to the plot 1:44:05 Credit Sequence 1:45:07 Insanity of Ep.1 1:53:18 Coincidence (1) 1:55:52 The Covenant 2:08:55 Absurd Level of Coincidence 2:10:57 Makee (1) 2:13:17 Coincidence (2) 2:18:30 Worms 2:19:50 Fingernails 2:21:27 Incompetent Military 2:24:39 Humanity 2:39:40 Arc 2:43:14 Music 2:45:42 Spartans 2:51:44 Covenant 2:55:50 What is Halo 2:57:24 Scientists 3:01:35 Power Levels & Steaks 3:06:18 Cortana (1) 3:09:58 The Act Man Final Thoughts 3:12:32 Finale Scene 3:16:36 Godfather 3:18:28 Humancentric 3:19:40 Storytelling 3:22:00 Sgt Johnson 3:24:00 Master Chief’s Death 3:26:52 Cortana (2) 3:28:00 Key Stones 3:32:18 The Function of the Halo 3:35:35 The Power of Adaptation 3:37:12 Idea developments 3:40:32 Adam & Eve 3:43:30 Makee (2) 3:48:35 The Fly In The Meeting 3:50:15 Makee (3) 3:53:30 Logistical Cringe & Gore 4:00:22 The Evil British Guy 4:18:52 The Quan’s Story 4:22:30 Does it feels like Halo? 4:24:14 Discount Iron Man 4:28:54 Rubble & Cable Car 4:39:16 Hyperexplanation 4:42:49 A Characterization Problem 4:52:15 The Pill 4:53:30 Writing Problems 5:10:30 What am I? 5:12:58 World Problems 5:18:33 Quan 5:25:17 Little summary 5:32:05 Writing: Game vs Show 5:35:13 Writing Credits 5:40:14 Necrophilia 5:41:33 Numbers & Thoughts 5:53:04 The Halo Cook Book 5:59:26 Jon CJG Takeover 6:32:00 Superchats (1) 6:37:04 Animal of the day 6:38:50 Superchats (2) 6:48:12 Tweet 6:51:50 Superchats (3) 7:08:04 Pokemon 7:09:58 Superchats (4) 7:29:54 Jon CJG Takeover II 7:36:49 Superchats (5) 7:39:15 Bible verse of the day 7:53:57 Superchats (6) 8:08:37 Best Halo Moments 8:23:08 Superchats (7) 8:34:10 Ending
"They're afraid that if he's wearing a helmet, the audience will lose that connection" Reminds me of Goblin Slayer, a guy who you can definitely relate to and who never takes off his helmet.
If they have a defined personality through their actions and a voice that hits hard, all you really need. What it really is is that they got told in the contact for the actor hat their face needs to be on screen and didn't hold their ground on any form of creative integrity, if any were there to begin with
Part of the beauty of Halo and MC as a character, as a FPS being helmeted all the time allowed you, the audience, to BE him. You see everything through his eyes and perspective, so you graft yourself to the character.
I'd listen to anything for 8 hours for a chance to hear E;R say "hmm" once. Thankfully there's also a very insightful and incisive podcast here too :3 thanks EFAP, for suffering through this so we didn't have to.
@@TheCucuyo9779 doom is 100% for kids, all those times where you tear through demons in the most bloody way possible and tearing out their organs and splitting their skulls would be a great thing for a kid to watch or play, but fr though the whole its for kids thing is stupid, not only because there are games that shouldn't be played by kids (like doom), but it implies that adults can't enjoy more cartoonish or colorful things, ex: a hat in time and ori and the blind forest are some of my favorite games, despite a hat in time having a more cartoonish art style and ori having a more colorful and beautiful world
They took an M rated game that was still basically PG-13, and they made it basically soft R rated with the violence and unnecessary nudity. They even wasted their one F-bomb on a background voice that I would have missed if not for the captions. Not to mention, this show is too boring to capture the attention of a 12 year old
Seeing E;R and Act Man in an efap episode together is making my brain do a double take, but as long as the Halo show is getting trashed on, I’d say this is the perfect cast for it.
@@sparkypack -Be the perfect occasion, for EFAP-ing a tismic vid, or just to play a game, heck, just a casual talk is welcome during the anniversaries... Shadiversity, E;R and the ActMan discussing the "finger plasma blade" and such nonsense would be gold.
Jackals with energy swords and shields makes sense, until you actually think about it in context. Jackals aren't close quarters combatants, they use shields and snipers specifically because they're not built for that kind of combat. In a world with firearms, swords would be practically useless, the only reason Elites are able to use them at all is because of their personal full-body energy shields and active camo, which they're the only ones allowed to have because of their position in the Covenant heirarchy. Energy swords are also SACRED to the Elites. They would never be okay with their sacred weapons being given to another race. It's (once again) the most surface level understanding of the material they're working with. They don't understand WHY things are the way they are. I bet they thought they were sooo smart when they gave Jackals energy swords. Like "Duuuh, lizard-bird men haves shield, so should have swords too. Games so dumb, we smarter than games!"
One of the halo comics has jackals use cutlasses of subanese crystal (the projectile the needler fires) called an energy cutlass, that would have at least been unique.
@@fleebogazeezig6642 That would work for boarding enemy ships, and I believe Jackals used something like that in Contact Harvest(?) though I might be wrong, it's been like 10+ years since I've read anything Halo before 343i took over. Lol.
@@esemicolonr You shall not rest until all others are silenced, and the whole of EFAP is absorbed into the Void of E;R. Fringy shall be the first to perish for his verbal crimes against voidkind, then Rags shall fall. While the Longman himself shall hold out for quite some time, he too shall eventually succumb. From thence forward it shall be known as E;RFAP, and will have only one host. The glorious E;R, speaking for hours on end to hundreds of thousands of hate mongers of the toxic brood. It will truly be a day of great rejoicing. All this shall come to pass.
If i'd have told you ten years ago that in the year 2022, with all the advances in special effects we've seen, that the best videogame adaptation to date would be of League of Legends and the worst would be of Halo.... would any of you have believed me? what a strange world we live in....
Basic rule. If you "adapt" something, but change everything that made it distinct, it's not the same thing. If you take your new thing and change the names of the things and their most recognizable iconography, would it still be hated? Likely not, because it would overlooked, or be called anything from mediocre to crap. The "hate" (though, more likely valid criticism) comes from tarnishing something already beloved.
I think that's the reason why this series is an adaptation. If it had just been a generic sci-fi show, no one would have cared about it, and no one would have watched it. The fact that it's pretending to be Halo makes people angry, and the fact that people are angry keeps the show from fading into obscurity. Making something an adaptation/ sequel to a beloved franchise means that fans of will be likely to at least give it a chance. If it's good, fans will spread the word, giving it a bunch of free marketing that it wouldn't have had if it wasn't an adaptation. If it's bad, fans will get angry that the source material is being adapted badly, and that anger will keep the show relevant. This is why everything is an adaptation, remake, or sequel these days, because even if the show is awful, it will perform better than it would have if it wasn't based on something popular. The only way to end this is to stop giving attention to things just because they're adaptations of things that we liked.
@@scienceviking4490 "if _it had just been a generic sci-fi show, no one would have cared about it, and no one would have watched_ it" THERE YOU GO , THAT'S IT The producers wanted someone to make the show but they want it cheap for maximun profit , so they hired a B list team of writers . Once they got hired , they said : "lets _make this show about the generic ass sci-fi script we made years ago , because we OBVIOUSLY are way smarter than a stupld viDeoGamE for kiddos... no one likes stories in videogames , WE KNOW BETTER , so we will not read or watch anything about the games and do our awesome generic ass sci-fi_ plot" Sometimes i wish murder was legal
Can’t wait for Master Cheeks to be the main reason Reach falls and still acts as the protagonist. Also, the only part I watched of the Last Episode was John getting his shit pushed in, and I loved every minute of it.
Fun fact about Master Chief, is that he was wasn't the best Spartan II before the events of the trilogy. There were Spartans who were faster, stronger, or had better marksmanship, so really John 117 was more of a middle of the road Spartan in terms of stats. It was the fact that John was so lucky that got everyone's notice -- including Cortana's notice. Master Chief kept surviving suicide missions, succeeding in missions where even Spartans were supposed to expect imminent death, but John's luck always won the day.
Yeah Kelly was the fastest, Jorge the biggest, Linda the best shot, Kurt was best fit to lead, but despite this Chief never lost any of them when it came down to it cause he was the best survivor.
John was still the most decorated soldier in human history and completed more missions than any of them, even before Reach. Other Spartans had their particular strengths but John was the most well-rounded and the best suited for team leadership.
@@culpritandtacks I’m not even sure If I would say he’s the “best” for leadership, but atleast with blue team it seems like others generally follow his lead. I also don’t know what “team leader” means with Spartan IIs atleast, because they all were trained to be strong leaders and they all just kind of seem to work off each other fluidly without a huge need for one of them to direct what they’re doing.
You expect me to believe you talked about this show for over 8 hours, and your entire gimmick is doing podcasts that last for an obscenely long time? Please, this whole channel is clearly just UNSC Propaganda.
Act Man and John's last point about how the games humanized the Covenant, especially the Elites, was really important. It's one of my favorite aspects of the story.
Bro I remember how much of a bummer it was cutting down the Heretic who is trying to save all their people and just slowly watch them being taken for a ride. then Odst showed a bit more and the shipmaster got fleshed out and arbiter is on the journey of betrayal Like it has so much good stuff to it and makes it believable and satisfying when the elites break off and fully switch sides. Wasted to watch master chief fall in love in a day
Indeed. For a series that's often downplayed as a shallow, "dudebro" franchise (and by the ""writers"" of this show, no less), Halo 2 absolutely nails Arbiter's arc of breaking free of severe religious indoctrination.
How the hell League of Legends and freaking Sonic the Hedgehog the ones with amazing to decent adaptations of Video Games while the rest poop the bed? Halo should have been a slam dunk
Also, glad to see Job Graham on. Longtime fan and of all your streams, this is the one we needed him for the most. His breakdown at the end of your coverage regarding Chief's helmet and the Kuleshov effect are spot on, and a perfect example of the lack of creativity in the showrunners. Everyone thinks keeping the helmet on is the missed opportunity. But really, taking the helmet OFF is the missed opportunity. That could've made for some very interesting writing, both for Chief and everyone he interacts with. As it was in the game. Limitations and adversity make for better storytelling. Instead they just have a lazy coom all over the screen - and fan's faces. XD
Star Trek and Halo: two series that have shat all over their legacy and origins, but try to pawn it off as a "different timeline" to try to deflect the anger of fans.
Alternate timeline is just code for bad adaptation. You only see that phrase for bad adaptations. You don’t see that phrase associated with Jurassic Park or Jaws
About Halo being a "cartoon" ... there is Halo Legends which is an anthology of Halo related stories animated by different animation studios (mostly anime studios), and while not all of them were great it is still leaps and bounds better than that abomination of a TV show, specially episodes like Prototype which explore the origin of the Mjolnir power armor I remember correctly. Imagine a Halo TV show done in the style of Arcane with that same level of quality of visuals, animation and character writing, but alas, not everything can be that great.
What if we get a animated show about Halo Reach but Noble 6 actually talks so the team can talk a bit more together, also Kat doesn't get randomly sniped and goes out a better way.
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 I get that. I've had this conversation before. I just don't believe their shields and armor is that weak given what it takes for the rest of noble team to die. You can still display that theme without making me question the execution. At least maybe show right before the sniper shot that her shields are taken down and are right about to recharge before she gets sniped. Or she gets hit with 2 shots; once to take down her shield then the one to her neck.
I didn't expect to be this pissed off about this show (I refused to watch it and I heard the horrendous summary) then Fringy reminded me what Halo actually was all about. It's so frustrating to hear how deep the Halo lore actually goes, how great the themes are and then to realize how little was done with it. The writers had so much material to work with, but discarded almost all of it because they think it's a silly video game not worth their time. Well, watch the Halo 2 cutscene where the Arbiter is introduced. It's miles better than this tv-show, it's not even funny. And it was written by fucking game developers who probably never did a writing course. I could say that these writers should be ashamed of themselves, but that requires these people to have any shame in the first place. Fuck them.
If you ever play Bungie's first game trilogy, Marathon, you'll see why the writing was so good in Halo. The head writer's ideas, concepts, and creativity rubbed off on the rest of the team at Bungie. "Read my lips: Computer games tell stories. That's what they're for." - Greg Kirkpatrick aka Grendel, Marathon's Story Designer
"Made a show called Arby n The Chief" made an absolute torrent of memories flood my mind, I loved that show probably more than the (at the time good) Red vs Blue
343: If killing interest in our IP will make things right…I won’t stop you. Halo show-runner: I know…(strangling intensifies as interest in halo bottoms out) EFAP: (grabs show runner in a headlock) Show runner: Why? Why do you even care? It’s an adaptation, you could’ve walked away! EFAP: The cycle ends here. We must be better…than this!
When John Halo died and he told them to "Find the Halo" it was when they all realized the true Halo was within them all along and the friends they made along the way
4:16:27 Rack numbers on military arms are an actual thing, but they're almost always for there for administrative use. A soldier would have a serial/ID number, and so would their issued weapon(s), but they wouldn't directly correspond like this.
Here's the lore: > covenant religiously worships the forerunners. > Humanity was seen as a heretics and undeserving of the path to the great journey (covenants religion) so humanity gets genocided. > the three prophets of covenant discovered humanity were the inheritors of the forerunners > so they didn't gave humanity a chance to enter their great journey but instead declared a holy war to hide the truth. The devastating result would led to the great schism. Covenant civil war thus we got halo 2 and 3 for that. Basically Humans in covenant is a big retcon to the lore but the TV show ignores that.
The funny part about a Halo show in general is that there are so many cool things you could have done and could go, that it honestly feels like even going your own way with the setting you have to actively try to fuck it up. God damn did the showrunners go above and beyond the call of duty to ru8n a good thing.
It's like act man's villain arc. I was saying literally an hour before it all started that he's been slipping. I'm looking forward to seeing how far it goes before he's a good content creator again.
The "full Halo experience" refers to the full John Halo experience. See him in his armor, in the nude, with his helmet, without his helmet, within the helmet, and into his mind via expert writing (What is he?) and subtle acting (angry face while punching CGI alien.)
I remember first playing Halo Combat Evolved and it was the minor actions of Master Chief which told me who he was as a person. Little things like putting his hand on the panicked marines shoulder at the start to try and calm him. Not excessive dialogue or having to remove his helmet to emote.
I LOVE how much energy E;R brings to the show XD He sounds like a guy that's just super done with bad stuff. It's like, "I make ONE retrospective critique on Legend of Korra and now I'm THE GUY that has to pick this crap apart"?
Obviously the big surprise for the first season if you were going to adapt the first game would be to tell the story of the Arbiter alongside it. He was made Arbiter as a punishment for his failure to defeat MC on the ring. He was in charge of the entire covenant fleet at the ring.
There's a disturbing increase in that mindset lately, I find. I swear a growing number of people don't care about quality or good storytelling or gameplay at all any more, all they want is to experience other people's misery. "Ha ha, look at these people actually caring about stuff, what a bunch of losers, I love seeing them suffer because they shouldn't care so much". I've literally seen people wish something was worse just so they could get more jollies watching people get upset at it. I really don't understand why anyone would value how much something can upset people as a positive, especially over actual quality, but so it is. It explains some things if it's not just random people on the internet with that mindset but the people making our entertainment, though.
Memes aside, there is a serious hatred for gamers and nerd culture in the movie/TV industry. They don't understand it and usually know they can't make anything more popular, so they feel the need to mock and destroy it and are given almost unlimited resources to do so. It's creepy stuff.
A comprehensive analogy for watching this show seems to be accurately summed up by the moment where Raiden turns off his pain inhibitors in Metal Gear Rising. And thinking about what happens in this show flows like a flood of pain, pouring down on me. And it will not let up until the end is here. AND IT WILL GO, THROUGH THE DARKEST DAY, IN THE FINAL HOUR! AND IT WILL NEVER REST UNTIL THE CLOUDS ARE CLEAR!
@@Monko_pop you can’t fight nature Jack! Rain falls, wind blows, the strong prey on the weak! Don’t be embarrassed, it’s only nature taking its course! You’ve got no choices to make, nothing to answer for… you can die with a clear conscience.
Actually, isn’t there a better comparison in MGS 4? At some point, soldiers with emotion inhibiting nanomachines get them turned off after a mission, and the soldiers, in horror at what they’ve done, start committing game over
Emile from Reach is a great character to look at for how the source material handled child memories. He was taken for the program because his family was slaughtered by the Covenant and was basically put into a revenge group of spartans. He has full knowledge of what the program did to him but, because of the opportunity it gives him to kill covenant, he doesn't just accept it, he loves what he does.
For something like Halo, the adaptation arguement is usually meant to serve to highlight how certain flaws have no right to exist, because they weren't present in the original source material and people bring it up not to defend the bad thing but to defend the good source, ina a way that is like "the source did not fuck this up so we are double mad that the adaptation did"
Jon seems like such a genuinely great dude. Awesome to see tbh. Grew up watching Arby & The Chief and never knew who was behind it. Great to see it’s someone with this kind of class.
This episodes illustrates why I preferable straight through line of critique, going through the medium in chronological order and dissecting each instance of inconsistency and stupid as it is encountered rather that Fringy's method of going by character, plot, world building theme, because Fringy's way involves a lot of jumping forward and back, going off on tangents and being slightly more hard to follow what is happening in the show. Whereas with MauLer it's simply, "here is thing, this is why it's stupid, here is next thing, this is why it's stupid."
In the scene where Chief fights the two elites in melee he actually runs out of ammo mid fight if you look at the top right, I swear that’s why he tossed his AR away in the first place, sucks that the writers forgot he ran dry so it could be used later tho
In "The Fall of Reach" (I know, some of the events may have been retconned, but the foundation is still relevant), the Covenant show up in force on a tiny backwater colony world just to retrieve one little Forerunner artifact that was just sitting in a museum because the humans didn't know what it was. They sent everything, even hunters and engineers, and slaughtered the entire population and overran the UNSC forces stationed there. A team of Spartans was sent in to do reconnaissance and figure out what the Covenant wanted, and they managed to retrieve the artifact but nearly died in an encounter with a pair of hunters. One Spartan lost his arm. Compared with that, the Covenant in the show is a joke.
Jon CJG and The Act Man in the same chat talking about a Halo show in 2022... this timeline does have its redeeming moments. 10/10 love the work you guys have done.
I get the distinct feeling that these (and many other) show writers believe that stoic characters are unrealistic and unengaging because they themselves have zero control over their emotions and someone who has their shit together is completely foreign to them. It really shows with the emotional grandstanding the dumb rebel girl does with the military commander when they ask her to speak about what happened during the Covenant attack. Just very immature writing.
There are times where I'm not sure if the creator is incompetent or malicious. Things like Ghostbusters(2016), The Farce Awokens, and The Tism of Skywalker, I'm pretty sure are incompetence. Things like The Last Jedi, Terminator: Woke Fate, and Whittaker Dr. Who, I'm pretty sure are malicious. But Halo(TV show) is obviously made due to pure malice. The writers and the show creators are literally trying to tell you that they think the franchise is bad and the show made as a response of how _they_ would do it. These creatives hate the fans for varying reasons and more shows will keep being made in the same vein.
This show has every hint of the show runners not giving a shit about the IP. They glimpsed some wiki pages and assumed the understood things. The entire show has giant "Spock is my favourite Star Wars character" energy.
The covenant being an existential threat to humanity was one of my favorite themes of the books and Halo:Reach. That's what the Winter Contingency of Reach was about. The biggest and most important procedure for any ship or colony being attacked by the covenant is to delete any and all mention and existence of Earth, the cradle of humanity. They can and will exterminate the entire human race, and if they find earth its over. Such a great narrative and plot driving circumstance. While as a whole the rest of halo is just "save the universe" they also have access to and have utilized this great idea for weight and consequences. This is the same stuff behind like how if they are damaged to a point of not being able to return the spartans will literally turn their armor into a nuke and slag it, and whatever is in the vicinity.
One of the key themes of Halo is the fear of replacement, of others coming along and taking from you your heritage, your future, and your purpose. We have the humans -- a golden age of space travel and colonization now threatened to be brutally cut short by a genocidal enemy of greater technological achievement. We have the Prophets, whose religious authority is undercut by the revelation that humans are favoured by the Forerunners, hence the Hierachs' conspiracy and the insistence that humans must be destroyed. We have the Elites, who are to be phased out of their favoured role in the Covenant and replaced by the Brutes, their warrior's honour turned from asset to liability. We have the backstory of the Forerunners, and how they came to hold the Mantle of Responsibility (spoilers). The flash clone replacements of the Spartans play into this theme too, I imagine. "We can't be replaced. We must transcend the threat of replacement. We must protect our heritage, our future, our status" -- this is the shared fear/resolve that drives everyone. Crowned by Halo itself -- the ultimate salvation of the galaxy, the ultimate weapon of destruction. It saves the Forerunners' legacy, it saves sapient life. It destroys the Forerunners' legacy, it destroys sapient life. It is humanity's birthright; it is the motive for humanity's attempted destruction. It will take all on the Great Journey; the Covenant are a millennium cult, remember. The show, though, seems to have none of this. They understand "Halo is a weapon", but don't understand that this is secondary to what Halo is thematically. Halo is heritage, it is purpose, it is damaged cultures searching for redemption. This is Halo, the Forerunners, the Covenant: ruclips.net/video/USrneY8SGWM/видео.html. Again, do we get anything of this richness from the show?
I never watched the show. Just LISTENING, FUCKING LISTENING!!!! To Act Man’s review and this podcast PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH THAT IN ALL MY YEARS, after everything I suffered through, TMNT, Sonic, Disney Star Wars, and so many, many, MANY other’s that I loved, ate up the lore and enjoyed every moment of: This was the worst. The worst adaptation, the worst betrayal, and the worst shit on the fans and their love of a series moments I have ever seen. It’s not just Chief fucking someone, it’s not just him never wearing armor, it’s not even the fact that the goddamned Convenant are considered a mild inconvenience and they are not glassing planets when they are. It’s every fucking frame, every fucking word, every fucking MISTAKE made in this series. I am not even going into the MASSIVE character assassination of all the characters AND THE PROGRAM!!! This show I could spend hours tearing it apart and ranting. This show alone has destroyed more than anything else any desire to touch Halo again. EDIT: I told my best friend who’s a huge Halo fanatic and halfway through she was screaming and ranting about it. And she’s never done that before. One last edit: Red vs Blue is/was one of my favorite series to watch. Only two seasons had characters removing their helmet’s. And yes, it started as a comedy, but over time it developed into so much more. They never removed their helmet’s, they never really focused on their thoughts or what they were thinking out loud. But even starting season four or five, you can see what their thought process is, what they’re feeling and what they are thinking without words, helmets off, or even a long time with the character. It’s magnificently done, and I don’t need faces to see that. Another last thing: The two games I compare the show to is Halo 2 and Mass Effect 1. Halo 2 in a handful of cutscenes draws you in, makes you understand the Covenant hierarchy and the Arbiter and the respect the position leads to. Later on I always laugh and am in awe when the first time he sees Gravemind he immediately snarls out: “Demon!!!” Even after all that happened and what situation he is in, he still has that focus. And Mass Effect 1, the meeting with the council the first and second time. The awe and understanding that quickly comes with such world building and how quickly it is explained without showcasing what is going on. Both did this MUCH better than the show.
Thank you for vocalizing my feelings so well. I didn't think I would be so pissed off about this show cuz I expected it to be shit and I already thought Halo 5 ruined the franchise. Ive already watched so many other things i loved get shit on so i thought I'd be numb to it by now. I was wondering why it is affecting me so much then I realized it. It was the first game I ever played other than space invaders or super mario. It was my first M rated game. It was my first fps. It was the first game I could play with friends. It was what initially got me into science fiction along with Star Wars. I LEARNED MY FIRST CUSS WORDS FROM SERGEANT JOHNSON! Halo is something that defined my childhood and who I am... I feel empty.
I didn’t grow up with Halo, sadly. A bit old for that. XDDD But I did have this as my first FPS, and I loved it, I still remember swearing like a sailor when I found out about what the Ring does. I still remember my friends and I playing Halo and chatting over the mics and goofing off. Hell, I remember when I never played Halo before and I was role playing Red vs Blue with some of the concepts of Halo on my friends ideas, and it got so bad with my lack of knowledge I posted a disclaimer in my signature (still have it there just for laughs), saying I never played Halo before and barely knew about it. My friend and I rp Spartan II, we developed our own world with a combination of Red vs Blue and Halo with a massive respect to the lore. More than this show. This just… ugh.
I mostly agree although I don't know if I agree with worst adaptation ever. The Meg is a REALLY bad adaptation. It has the same basic premise as the book and they got the name of the protagonist correct and that's where the similarities with the book end.
@@williamcronshaw5262 at least it got the basic premise. This show is literally just wearing the skin suit of Halo. Take away the outfits, alter the alien's appearance a bit and change the names and there is nothing reminiscent of Halo.
I'm pretty sure in the context of Halo that the "insurgents" the Spartan program was originally aimed at were like proper terrorists and rogue elements, yet the show definetly wanted a "Rebel Alliance" sort of thing for them. Star Wars has fucking ruined the perspective of resistance
There's just so much to love about those games. They are relics of a different time where a story was being told to you through gameplay and not just cutscenes. Remember when the flood shows up and you have this immediate fear of it cause you can see what it does to biological lifeforms? Then you find all these little environmental bits of story telling. The elevator is destroyed. Oh here's this other elevator.... oh no it goes DOWN.... why is the shaft covered in covenant blood?! Such amazing games!
Wait, isn't MAC basically a railgun? I've never played halo and know very little about it, but I do know that MAC stands for "Magnetic Accelerator Cannon", which if my understanding of magnetic mass driver weapons is any good, should be nothing like a nuke as Fringy describes it 🤔
Haven’t reached Fringy’s comment yet, so I may need to adjust my response You’re correct about the Magnetic portion though the other type of magnetic weapon is a coil gun, main differences would be railguns can accelerate a projectile to much faster speeds but are much slower for follow up shots. I don’t remember if the halo series ever specified which. As for impacting like a nuke, if you accelerate a projectile fast enough it absolutely can have the energy of a nuke without the fallout, but you gotta get that sucker moving quite fast
Think about it this way: A Mac gun bolt can rip through a Convenant’s shields like a hot knife through butter. They launched a ship full of nukes and missiles at one when they first fought and it didn’t even take down the shield’s. It takes about two or three to take down one Convenant ship when they have MAC GUNS. The problem is that the guns are rare, and very slow to charge. During that time you have to keep alive and if there’s more than one you’re really hoping for a miracle. It’s not a fleet killer having one against Convenant, it’s just the best and most effective weapon against them. Also, they’re about the size of a ship to power it. It’s like having a Death Star laser on a TIE fighter is a great comparison.
no, Fringy's quite right about this. For real world examples of what speed alone can achieve, just google pictures of meteor impacts. Those were caused by the release of kinetic energy alone. Objects store energy as they are accelerated, so if you can accelerate an inert object extremely fast, it will release a LOT of energy at impact (energy equals mass multiplied by speed... relativity), removing the need for anything like a warhead. This is the theoretical advantage of something like a rail or coil gun. You can use a sudden pulse of magnetic energy to accelerate a projectile to beyond supersonic in a matter or seconds and just let physics do the rest at the moment of impact. i actually think there's an optional scene in one of the Mass Effect games where they explain it detail. But yeah, you're talking megatons of potential energy here. Even a relatively small projectile of dense enough material (say 100 KG of solid tungsten) will cause an explosive release in the multiple megaton range on impact
Yeah no, I'm not debating damage. Railguns and other kinetic energy weapons can absolutely annihilate. My comment is more about pure mechanics, I feel like when described as a "basically a nuke" to someone not familiar with it, it might cause some misunderstanding
@@MaxRovensky a nuclear physicist would actually agree with Fringy. A nuclear reaction is caused by suddenly reducing the mass of a dense object and converting the lost mass into energy, it's a pure release of stored energy, where as conventional explosions are chemical reactions causing a far more gradual release of energy through means such as combustion.
I knew the show was going to be shit the second John took his helmet off. Also, the action scenes didn’t look that great, they just seem great compared to the rest of the show.
4:28:00 completely with you Jon, Chief is not a rageful character, ever. Being focused and reserved is how he always is, him feeling more emotional comes with changes in his stance not screaming while punching an elite to a pulp. The writers did not understand him at, didn't even try.
I like the idea of Master Chief in a TV series as a static, but not passive character. I would equate it to a rolling western TV series were the mysterious figure walks for situation to situation, helping those in need with largely physical problems. He has himself total sorted out and undergoes very little if any character development. Instead, because of his reliable and consistent nature he acts as a rock for other to latch onto whenever they undergo character development. He would act as our primary lens into which we see the universe but other than action or other physical problems, would not be the primary source of conflict or resolution in the show. I say this because unlike in a videogame were physical action and problems can be the only driving forces, a TV show or movie would do better with more character conflict and I don't think master chief is a character suited to drive that kind of story.
Have some well written Marines or ODSTs, stuck behind enemy lines, or left behind of an evacuation, and having them find themselves with the Master Chief. He's working with them trying to get them out alive, have conflict and trust issues with him with how unfeeling he seems, with them realizing the lengths chief goes through to save their lives. Fuck what a wasted opportunity.
@@Tripleat117 Honestly, you can have the first three episodes be about man slaughtering man, follow UNSC marines/Troopers fighting against Insurrectionists and show the Insurrectionists fighting the UNSC. Then in the first couple of episodes, when the fighting is getting intense, the UNSC deploys Spartans which decimate the Innies on all fronts. You can have it show that the UNSC has a bad side and a good one, and show that the Insurrectionists have a bad side and a good one. the UNSC nuked an entire colony to destroy the beginnings of the Innies but ended up stoking it, the Innies killed innocent civilians in their campaign for "Independence" so it's not like there's a lack of material. Then within episodes 4-6, you could shift to Harvest and show the Covenant discovering Humanity, Brutes and Grunts going down to the planet, then have that bit in the next episode or two, and if you can secure funding for at least 12 episodes. You can show the UNSC fighting a desperate, yet losing war against the Covenant up until episode 12 which would be the Fall of Reach and end on the Autumn finding Inst. 04. Could literally devote season 2 to Humanity fighting desperately on the ring, winning and losing battles just like in the game/book and perhaps, the last few episodes of season 2 can be dedicated to either Chief returning to Reach then Earth or just returning to Earth. Boom, if you do it properly and have amazing writers you could hook people AND if it's successful, could even get a season 3 going where it's all about the battle for Earth.
Damn digitalph33r that’s unlocked some memories, hard justice was my first and favourite machinima. And in terms of ‘good’ adaptations, respecting but sometimes stretching the source material is halo legends, that arbiter episode was epic
“If you throw an assault rifle on the floor in episode 1, you better have someone find it 100 yards away underneath a truck where they’re hiding so it can conveniently save their life by the time the series ends.” It’s a famous quote guys come on every writer knows this.
I had never heard the lore/story of Halo before. But when they started saying that with a TV Show you can remove the constraints of mission design and clean the story to deliver it at its best, I felt like that's what Mass Effect attempted to do given how similar those are in story structure.
Adaptation will never not matter to the end quality of something. Simply put if there's too many changes or changes that completely alter the IP they are adaptating it's simply unacceptable. If you want to do your own thing make your own original story. The ONLY reason this keeps happening is because they want to leech off of the work other people already did to establish a universe and fanbase and use brand names to kickstart their own awfull stories that no one would care about without brand names. Bad adaptations are objectively bad. Period.
Sure, but you have to bite the bullet that Shawshank, The Shining, Civil War, Arcane and Hill House are objectively bad, as well as countless others. I disagree and opt for a system with more accurate ways of breaking down stories.
@@MauLerYT And what makes you think this other system is more "accurate"? All of the ones listed above minus Arcane could have been their own unique stories, Arcane being in this weird limbo where it's canon to the source material but also made some retcons.
bad adaptations can be good stories in their own right. The original Blade Runner can barely be considered 'inspired by' Philip Dick's story. The problem with shows like HALO is not just that it's a bad adaptation, it's a bad adaptation and a bad story, leading you to question why the fuck it was even made in the first place. Like, from an artistic standpoint, what idiot read this script and decided it was good enough to be skinned as Halo? I suspect the answer is the studio was on a deadline to get something out, but that further begs the question of why did they pay the licensing fees and production costs before they stopped to consider whether or not it was a quality product? The real problem with the Halo adaptation was all the changes they made made things more convoluted, more generic, more nonsensical... when adapting you should be doing the opposite of all those. The plot of Halo 1 is told in roughly an hour of actual cutscenes and in-game dialogue and is still far more compelling and coherent than what they did in 8 hours of the show, so it really makes you question the sanity of the people behind it. When you have two things you can set side-by-side for comparison so easy, it really makes you question how some people have careers.
@@kenkaneki3873 it's more accurate because under it, The Halo show, the sequel trilogy, GoT s8 and Netflix Cowboy Bebop are all bad while The Shining, Arcane and Hill House are good. While you end up condemning some excellent stories as bad due to the broadness of your brush.
@@petriew2018 I'm not saying that there's a priority list here but rather that it's all connected. The writing is indeed god awfull but it's still a bad adaptation at the same time. You mentioned Halo CE which immideatly brings me to the Book Halo The Flood which is basically the novelization of the first game, difference being that it adds more layers ontop of the first games story. Covenant and Autumn Crew POVs aswell as post flood infection Jenkins. This is what I would consider a faithfull good adaption that's also well written as it follows the plot of the first game but adds all the perspectives we didn't see since in the game you only play from Chiefs perspective.
Listening to Jon and his behind-the-scenes stories of developing Arby N' The Chief is always awesome, especially when the EFAP hosts chime in with memories of when they first saw the series and got to certain episodes...such wholesome content from such a toxic brood.
This entire era is going to be looked back upon and called "What should have been" because we've and entire culture's worth of amazing stories intentionally destroyed instead of explored.
The Halos were the forerunners last ditch effort to stop the flood. After they used the rings the first time, the Forerunners' machines went and repopulated the effected worlds with beings grown from the samples taken from each individual planet. Some of the flood managed to survive the Initial ring activations which is why we see the flood in the halo games at all. (Based on the extended lore from the books, comics and animated shorts) It's a real travesty that this show is so horrible, they had an ungodly amount lore, stories and characters to use and they chose this dumpster fire of a story. This is even more disappointing to think that Paramount pulled the original halo movie project back in 2009 (I think) and that team made District 9. Imagine if that District 9 team had been able to make this Halo show using stuff from the original Scrapped Halo movie. This is all a Feelabadman
From what I remember, and tbh that's an issue in Halo lore, the rings themselves are containment zones for flood remnants. The galaxy is swiped clean of everything, this is why repopulated or newly evolved life can prosper freely. Only once external actors meddle with the halos does the flood find the means of escaping the rings and sweep over the galaxy again. I never understood why the forerunners would preserve the flood but 343 offered an explanation in that the flood was an invader from outside the galaxy and thus keeping samples for the possible creation of a cure was deemed more important in case of an external reinfection. Ofc 343 also introduced that the forerunners killed themselves and only themselves....I am sorry for rambling on, this particular part of halo lore never made sense to me. Maybe it works if, consistent with halo 1-3 the forerunners were humans but they never intended to reset their civilization and then something went wrong. Again sorry for rambling.
It’s worth noting in the books that Doctor Halsey knows she’s going to burn in hell and her choices weigh heavily on her. My memory is poor, but I seem to remember a scene where she snaps at someone from ONI with a line akin to “We’re able to stand here debating about the ethics of my Spartans because they are saving humanity, and that fact speaks our conversation for us.”
Halo 2 was a great story and all, but I was constantly asking "Why doesn't MC ever have sex with a Covenant spy???" Glad this show finally addressed that glaring issue.
If Master Chief has sex with a Covenant spy, I will only accept it if said spy is an Unggoy in a wig and lipstick, pretending to be human.
@@matthewcollins4773 Chief: "Boo!"
At this point might as well go full fanfiction and just have him fuck the hottest covenant bitches there is and just turn this into an alien woman conquest show
This is what I thought! I don’t know why everyone thinks this is wrong? 🥸
@@matthewcollins4773 I think you guys are forgetting the canon look arbiter gave to chief implying he wanted him
I'm baffled by why they chose to call the city "Reach City" on the planet Reach.... Halo Reach already named that city, it's New Alexandria. But they didn't play the fucking games or read the books so they wouldn't know that.
Gotta make those references with a hammer.
@@butthz8850 Maybe even a... Foe Hammer? I'll see myself out for that one.
Or even like make a new city name that’s not corny. Like fuck it New Chicago would have been better if they were really that strapped for ideas
There are also preexisting large cities other than New Alexandria, such as Manassas and Quezon.
@@randalthekidd7006 New New York?
“Sir, permission to cancel Paramount+?”
“For what purpose, Master Chief?”
“To give the showrunners back their bomb.”
Other than the fact that they locked in TNG, there is 0 reason to have Paramount plus
“Permission granted”
(Halo theme intensifies)
@@amuroray88 There once was a ship that put to sea the name of the ship was a belly of tea
You had paramount plus? That was your first mistake buddy.
E;R is improving, by 2025 he will be speaking over Rags and interrupting Fringy.
He also writes in chat, a real man of the people.
One of us!
One of us!
One of us!
One of us!
One of us!
"It didn't take long for Reach to fall. Our enemy was ruthless, efficient - but they weren't nearly fast enough. For you had already passed the torch. Thanks to you, we found Halo, unlocked its secrets, shattered our enemy's resolve. Our victory- *Your* victory, was so close, I wish you could have lived to see it. But you belong to Reach. Your body, your armor, all burned and turned to glass- everything, except your *courage.* That you gave to us, and with it - we can rebuild."
-Dr. Halsey.
In Memorium, Noble 6.
Tugs on my heart every time.
He died for Mister Cheeks
@@FilmCritictheone
HERESY!
BATTLE BROTHER! GET THE FLAMER!
Remember Reach
NOBLE SIX IS ALIVE IN A CAVE... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS !!
Praise you massives for having E;R back as well as having Act Man on. It’s really cool to see Act Man, especially after the copyright drama situation. Thanks for the good rat!
Said it best, so here's a like.
Act Man deserved to be in this, since he’s a huge fan of Halo franchise
Hope they have them on more act mans videos are hilarious
The chat (myself included) when they realize E;R is here.
“YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
@@fr0ck360 Sorry sorry that was trash I just wasn't a hurry and I didn't throw it
y sorry
This “Halo” show took the disrespect given to Luke Skywalker from the Sequel Trilogy and He-Man from Kevin Smith’s MOTU: Revelations as a challenge and said: “Hold my beer boys, THIS is how it’s done!”
I know next to nothing about the halo show going into this breakdown, but now I’m excited because that is quite a claim
@@someeejit you’ll be in good company the creators of the show know about as much as you and you still probably would have made it less generic
Gave the show a shot seeing no trailers, or news about the show.. First episode I was not impressed beyond some costumes/armor. As soon as Chief took off the helmet, I knew what I was getting
@@TheObicobiHD yeah it looks pretty cheap. Even the overdone sets made to look like halo are so small and out of place that it feels like a multiplayer map instead of like a halo mission
"Stand back, Marines. Let the Cheeks show you how it's done!"
The best description I saw for E;R on EFAP was: "E;R is our boi, he only talks when we deserve it." So glad to hear him talking more in this episode...so glad he is back!
Unlike Rags...
Time Stamps
0:00 A Ship’s Name
1:40 What’s going on?
3:04 Introducing the guests
11:49 Fringy The Helmsman
13:04 The best reply in EFAP history
13:26 What do you think of Halo?
32:48 A Prospective of Adaptation
50:24 Characters
1:23:49 A bit of a tangent
1:31:00 Forerunners
1:33:14 Back to the plot
1:44:05 Credit Sequence
1:45:07 Insanity of Ep.1
1:53:18 Coincidence (1)
1:55:52 The Covenant
2:08:55 Absurd Level of Coincidence
2:10:57 Makee (1)
2:13:17 Coincidence (2)
2:18:30 Worms
2:19:50 Fingernails
2:21:27 Incompetent Military
2:24:39 Humanity
2:39:40 Arc
2:43:14 Music
2:45:42 Spartans
2:51:44 Covenant
2:55:50 What is Halo
2:57:24 Scientists
3:01:35 Power Levels & Steaks
3:06:18 Cortana (1)
3:09:58 The Act Man Final Thoughts
3:12:32 Finale Scene
3:16:36 Godfather
3:18:28 Humancentric
3:19:40 Storytelling
3:22:00 Sgt Johnson
3:24:00 Master Chief’s Death
3:26:52 Cortana (2)
3:28:00 Key Stones
3:32:18 The Function of the Halo
3:35:35 The Power of Adaptation
3:37:12 Idea developments
3:40:32 Adam & Eve
3:43:30 Makee (2)
3:48:35 The Fly In The Meeting
3:50:15 Makee (3)
3:53:30 Logistical Cringe & Gore
4:00:22 The Evil British Guy
4:18:52 The Quan’s Story
4:22:30 Does it feels like Halo?
4:24:14 Discount Iron Man
4:28:54 Rubble & Cable Car
4:39:16 Hyperexplanation
4:42:49 A Characterization Problem
4:52:15 The Pill
4:53:30 Writing Problems
5:10:30 What am I?
5:12:58 World Problems
5:18:33 Quan
5:25:17 Little summary
5:32:05 Writing: Game vs Show
5:35:13 Writing Credits
5:40:14 Necrophilia
5:41:33 Numbers & Thoughts
5:53:04 The Halo Cook Book
5:59:26 Jon CJG Takeover
6:32:00 Superchats (1)
6:37:04 Animal of the day
6:38:50 Superchats (2)
6:48:12 Tweet
6:51:50 Superchats (3)
7:08:04 Pokemon
7:09:58 Superchats (4)
7:29:54 Jon CJG Takeover II
7:36:49 Superchats (5)
7:39:15 Bible verse of the day
7:53:57 Superchats (6)
8:08:37 Best Halo Moments
8:23:08 Superchats (7)
8:34:10 Ending
you are a king
Keep it up Kang
@@ItsGianotti thanks
@Pyro you're welcome
@@snubbles9991 👍
Damn, E;R is definitely making up for lost time with how vocal he's gotten.
He sings now !
This topic is right up E;R's alley.
Can't wait for him to return when live-action Avatar TLA has arrived
Is it just me or does he sound kinda different?
@@sparkypack and it didn’t even cost 6 million people! Amazing!
"They're afraid that if he's wearing a helmet, the audience will lose that connection"
Reminds me of Goblin Slayer, a guy who you can definitely relate to and who never takes off his helmet.
If they have a defined personality through their actions and a voice that hits hard, all you really need.
What it really is is that they got told in the contact for the actor hat their face needs to be on screen and didn't hold their ground on any form of creative integrity, if any were there to begin with
Part of the beauty of Halo and MC as a character, as a FPS being helmeted all the time allowed you, the audience, to BE him. You see everything through his eyes and perspective, so you graft yourself to the character.
The show's writers need to watch The Mandalorian.
@@crikeybaguette4564 don't give them any more bad ideas ,, please.
@@crikeybaguette4564 what would watching another badly written show accomplish?
Ah yes, a complete "breakdown" in all senses of the word...
I'd listen to anything for 8 hours for a chance to hear E;R say "hmm" once. Thankfully there's also a very insightful and incisive podcast here too
:3
thanks EFAP, for suffering through this so we didn't have to.
Between this and everyone who caught wind of the show or any glimpse - like STAG, youd think the show has been essentially atomized.
Calm down guys. It's just a show about space soldiers intended for chi... oh no, we can't even use the "it's for kids" argument this time!
They are idiots out there who think video games are for kids and "real" adults don't play them.
@@TheCucuyo9779 doom is 100% for kids, all those times where you tear through demons in the most bloody way possible and tearing out their organs and splitting their skulls would be a great thing for a kid to watch or play, but fr though the whole its for kids thing is stupid, not only because there are games that shouldn't be played by kids (like doom), but it implies that adults can't enjoy more cartoonish or colorful things, ex: a hat in time and ori and the blind forest are some of my favorite games, despite a hat in time having a more cartoonish art style and ori having a more colorful and beautiful world
They took an M rated game that was still basically PG-13, and they made it basically soft R rated with the violence and unnecessary nudity. They even wasted their one F-bomb on a background voice that I would have missed if not for the captions. Not to mention, this show is too boring to capture the attention of a 12 year old
@@WrathofArchon DOOM is for good, clean, Christian children
@@WrathofArchon DOOM is a wholesome Christian game for all ages.
Seeing E;R and Act Man in an efap episode together is making my brain do a double take, but as long as the Halo show is getting trashed on, I’d say this is the perfect cast for it.
Adding this to my most favourite EFAP episodes for sure!
If only Wolf was there.
@@TheTrueRandomGamer Jesus could you imagine? The rants would make his Y-Wing rant look tame
all we need is Wolf back, hes a fellow halo enjoyer
Let’s not cause Wolf’s depression to spike, by giving him a reason to even watch this trash.
This was fun despite how dismaying the show in question was.
Hope both E;R and the ActMan come back 'round sooner than later, they did great.
If this entire guest panel is back for EFAP 200.. that would be fab!
@@sparkypack
-Be the perfect occasion, for EFAP-ing a tismic vid, or just to play a game, heck, just a casual talk is welcome during the anniversaries...
Shadiversity, E;R and the ActMan discussing the "finger plasma blade" and such nonsense would be gold.
@@amanibob1416 ohh.. don't remind me of the finger plasma blade please.. 😣😣😣 it hurts my tism.😅
@@sparkypack
Think about it from her perspective...
Scratch yer nose, ass, [CeNsOrEd], or just experience one nightmare and...
*BrrrZZZZAAAP!!!*
Now I'm only an hour in so far, but let's not completely forget about Jon here. Ik he is on a bit more than them, but I like him quite a bit.
Jackals with energy swords and shields makes sense, until you actually think about it in context.
Jackals aren't close quarters combatants, they use shields and snipers specifically because they're not built for that kind of combat.
In a world with firearms, swords would be practically useless, the only reason Elites are able to use them at all is because of their personal full-body energy shields and active camo, which they're the only ones allowed to have because of their position in the Covenant heirarchy.
Energy swords are also SACRED to the Elites. They would never be okay with their sacred weapons being given to another race.
It's (once again) the most surface level understanding of the material they're working with. They don't understand WHY things are the way they are. I bet they thought they were sooo smart when they gave Jackals energy swords. Like "Duuuh, lizard-bird men haves shield, so should have swords too. Games so dumb, we smarter than games!"
HILARIOUSLY tragic
One of the halo comics has jackals use cutlasses of subanese crystal (the projectile the needler fires) called an energy cutlass, that would have at least been unique.
@@fleebogazeezig6642 That would work for boarding enemy ships, and I believe Jackals used something like that in Contact Harvest(?) though I might be wrong, it's been like 10+ years since I've read anything Halo before 343i took over. Lol.
There was a brief moment in Halo 4 where a Jackal does a cool throat lunge at a scientist but generally they aren't known as the melee guys.
The legend says Fringy is interrupting E;R to this day.
One day I will table these turns, just watch
@@esemicolonr You shall not rest until all others are silenced, and the whole of EFAP is absorbed into the Void of E;R. Fringy shall be the first to perish for his verbal crimes against voidkind, then Rags shall fall. While the Longman himself shall hold out for quite some time, he too shall eventually succumb. From thence forward it shall be known as E;RFAP, and will have only one host. The glorious E;R, speaking for hours on end to hundreds of thousands of hate mongers of the toxic brood. It will truly be a day of great rejoicing. All this shall come to pass.
@@esemicolonr "Long ago Mauler, Rags, Fringy and E;R lived in harmony. Then everything changed when the Australian interrupted"
@@esemicolonr You can’t do that to the only green person on the panel!!
The only comment he made in this channel. You should feel blessed.
They had money and resources on such a scale that they could have made pretty much any Halo series they could have envisioned- and they made _this._
There's a lot of that going around anymore.
The story is already written for you its so easy to make a great halo adaption
If i'd have told you ten years ago that in the year 2022, with all the advances in special effects we've seen, that the best videogame adaptation to date would be of League of Legends and the worst would be of Halo.... would any of you have believed me?
what a strange world we live in....
I would have felt robbed. And I do.
I need to rewatch Arcane.
E;R becoming the (relatively) chatty guest he was in this episode is a better character arc than anything in this garbage show
Nah, the show is good & E;R is still a cringe edgelord.
@@reddishcarp1237 is that really the hill you wanna die on?
@@reddishcarp1237
>Show is good
Opinion discarded, keep seething about our boy
@Sussy Wanker yes it is
Guys, don't respond to obvious bait
Basic rule. If you "adapt" something, but change everything that made it distinct, it's not the same thing. If you take your new thing and change the names of the things and their most recognizable iconography, would it still be hated? Likely not, because it would overlooked, or be called anything from mediocre to crap.
The "hate" (though, more likely valid criticism) comes from tarnishing something already beloved.
I think that's the reason why this series is an adaptation. If it had just been a generic sci-fi show, no one would have cared about it, and no one would have watched it. The fact that it's pretending to be Halo makes people angry, and the fact that people are angry keeps the show from fading into obscurity.
Making something an adaptation/ sequel to a beloved franchise means that fans of will be likely to at least give it a chance. If it's good, fans will spread the word, giving it a bunch of free marketing that it wouldn't have had if it wasn't an adaptation. If it's bad, fans will get angry that the source material is being adapted badly, and that anger will keep the show relevant.
This is why everything is an adaptation, remake, or sequel these days, because even if the show is awful, it will perform better than it would have if it wasn't based on something popular. The only way to end this is to stop giving attention to things just because they're adaptations of things that we liked.
@@scienceviking4490 "if _it had just been a generic sci-fi show, no one would have cared about it, and no one would have watched_ it"
THERE YOU GO , THAT'S IT
The producers wanted someone to make the show but they want it cheap for maximun profit , so they hired a B list team of writers . Once they got hired , they said : "lets _make this show about the generic ass sci-fi script we made years ago , because we OBVIOUSLY are way smarter than a stupld viDeoGamE for kiddos... no one likes stories in videogames , WE KNOW BETTER , so we will not read or watch anything about the games and do our awesome generic ass sci-fi_ plot"
Sometimes i wish murder was legal
Can’t wait for Master Cheeks to be the main reason Reach falls and still acts as the protagonist. Also, the only part I watched of the Last Episode was John getting his shit pushed in, and I loved every minute of it.
Fun fact about Master Chief, is that he was wasn't the best Spartan II before the events of the trilogy. There were Spartans who were faster, stronger, or had better marksmanship, so really John 117 was more of a middle of the road Spartan in terms of stats. It was the fact that John was so lucky that got everyone's notice -- including Cortana's notice. Master Chief kept surviving suicide missions, succeeding in missions where even Spartans were supposed to expect imminent death, but John's luck always won the day.
Yep
PLAYER CHARACTER
XD
Yeah Kelly was the fastest, Jorge the biggest, Linda the best shot, Kurt was best fit to lead, but despite this Chief never lost any of them when it came down to it cause he was the best survivor.
John was still the most decorated soldier in human history and completed more missions than any of them, even before Reach. Other Spartans had their particular strengths but John was the most well-rounded and the best suited for team leadership.
@@culpritandtacks I’m not even sure If I would say he’s the “best” for leadership, but atleast with blue team it seems like others generally follow his lead. I also don’t know what “team leader” means with Spartan IIs atleast, because they all were trained to be strong leaders and they all just kind of seem to work off each other fluidly without a huge need for one of them to direct what they’re doing.
@@FxCalibur Kurt is actually the biggest, he was 8’2 in armor
You expect me to believe you talked about this show for over 8 hours, and your entire gimmick is doing podcasts that last for an obscenely long time?
Please, this whole channel is clearly just UNSC Propaganda.
Don't worry, they talked about it longer than the show lasts, so it doesn't count!
"B-But that wasn't reeeeal UNSC Propagandaaaa"
Act Man and John's last point about how the games humanized the Covenant, especially the Elites, was really important. It's one of my favorite aspects of the story.
Bro I remember how much of a bummer it was cutting down the Heretic who is trying to save all their people and just slowly watch them being taken for a ride. then Odst showed a bit more and the shipmaster got fleshed out and arbiter is on the journey of betrayal
Like it has so much good stuff to it and makes it believable and satisfying when the elites break off and fully switch sides. Wasted to watch master chief fall in love in a day
Indeed. For a series that's often downplayed as a shallow, "dudebro" franchise (and by the ""writers"" of this show, no less), Halo 2 absolutely nails Arbiter's arc of breaking free of severe religious indoctrination.
The Arbiter is based beyond belief
@@scottski02Halo 2 might be the best game ever made
Whoever wrote this show has no understanding of how a military works, let alone Halo.
I question if they understand how a microwave works.
Whoever wrote it has no idea how people work either.
How the hell League of Legends and freaking Sonic the Hedgehog the ones with amazing to decent adaptations of Video Games while the rest poop the bed? Halo should have been a slam dunk
the Castlevania anime wasn't horrible....wasn't great either tho.
It’s insane how they messed this up. There are four full games of amazing story and characters. Tons of books. Just copy and paste it
Also, glad to see Job Graham on. Longtime fan and of all your streams, this is the one we needed him for the most.
His breakdown at the end of your coverage regarding Chief's helmet and the Kuleshov effect are spot on, and a perfect example of the lack of creativity in the showrunners. Everyone thinks keeping the helmet on is the missed opportunity. But really, taking the helmet OFF is the missed opportunity. That could've made for some very interesting writing, both for Chief and everyone he interacts with. As it was in the game.
Limitations and adversity make for better storytelling. Instead they just have a lazy coom all over the screen - and fan's faces. XD
The First Order kinda forgot to put an emotional inhibitor in Finn.
“Mom can we get Master Chief”
“We already have Master Chief at Home”
Master Chief at home:
Star Trek and Halo: two series that have shat all over their legacy and origins, but try to pawn it off as a "different timeline" to try to deflect the anger of fans.
Alternate timeline is just code for bad adaptation. You only see that phrase for bad adaptations. You don’t see that phrase associated with Jurassic Park or Jaws
@@colten53 nem
I like how lively Jon was here. Clearly a topic he was interested in. And even E;R sounded almost alive.
About Halo being a "cartoon" ... there is Halo Legends which is an anthology of Halo related stories animated by different animation studios (mostly anime studios), and while not all of them were great it is still leaps and bounds better than that abomination of a TV show, specially episodes like Prototype which explore the origin of the Mjolnir power armor I remember correctly.
Imagine a Halo TV show done in the style of Arcane with that same level of quality of visuals, animation and character writing, but alas, not everything can be that great.
I liked the ones where Cortana narrated the past, present and future of the Halo Mythos
What if we get a animated show about Halo Reach but Noble 6 actually talks so the team can talk a bit more together, also Kat doesn't get randomly sniped and goes out a better way.
@@2ndlegend125 I actually liked the way Kat died. It really showed how brutal the Siege of New Alexandria was.
@@2ndlegend125 That would be awesome.
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 I get that. I've had this conversation before. I just don't believe their shields and armor is that weak given what it takes for the rest of noble team to die. You can still display that theme without making me question the execution. At least maybe show right before the sniper shot that her shields are taken down and are right about to recharge before she gets sniped. Or she gets hit with 2 shots; once to take down her shield then the one to her neck.
E;R on EFAP? So he's alittle more back then expected.
Nice.
E;R back on EFAP 200
I didn't expect to be this pissed off about this show (I refused to watch it and I heard the horrendous summary) then Fringy reminded me what Halo actually was all about.
It's so frustrating to hear how deep the Halo lore actually goes, how great the themes are and then to realize how little was done with it. The writers had so much material to work with, but discarded almost all of it because they think it's a silly video game not worth their time.
Well, watch the Halo 2 cutscene where the Arbiter is introduced. It's miles better than this tv-show, it's not even funny. And it was written by fucking game developers who probably never did a writing course.
I could say that these writers should be ashamed of themselves, but that requires these people to have any shame in the first place. Fuck them.
A "silly video game" yet they are making a series out of it. No respect at all for the source material.
If you ever play Bungie's first game trilogy, Marathon, you'll see why the writing was so good in Halo. The head writer's ideas, concepts, and creativity rubbed off on the rest of the team at Bungie.
"Read my lips:
Computer games tell stories.
That's what they're for."
- Greg Kirkpatrick aka Grendel, Marathon's Story Designer
"Made a show called Arby n The Chief" made an absolute torrent of memories flood my mind, I loved that show probably more than the (at the time good) Red vs Blue
343: If killing interest in our IP will make things right…I won’t stop you.
Halo show-runner: I know…(strangling intensifies as interest in halo bottoms out)
EFAP: (grabs show runner in a headlock)
Show runner: Why? Why do you even care? It’s an adaptation, you could’ve walked away!
EFAP: The cycle ends here. We must be better…than this!
If only the cycle would end here...
"To a time where showrunners are good"
Paramount +- We're good showrunners aren't we
Everyone- No you are not
This is a quality reference.
I knew the reference but it took me forever to figure it out.
When John Halo died and he told them to "Find the Halo" it was when they all realized the true Halo was within them all along and the friends they made along the way
I'm glad you guys had Jon on. He's one of my favorite content creators. Wish he'd do more live streams and stuff.
Jon was so wholesome! Respect to an OG Halo Machinima guy
4:16:27 Rack numbers on military arms are an actual thing, but they're almost always for there for administrative use. A soldier would have a serial/ID number, and so would their issued weapon(s), but they wouldn't directly correspond like this.
I didn't play any Halo games.
I didn't watch the show.
I will listen to this EFAP anyway.
Good rat.
watch Halo Mythos if you want to know everything easily
@Marcus Fenix Yeah. EFAP crew decently explains the issues with the show for me, so I understand them without looking into the source material.
Here's the lore:
> covenant religiously worships the forerunners.
> Humanity was seen as a heretics and undeserving of the path to the great journey (covenants religion) so humanity gets genocided.
> the three prophets of covenant discovered humanity were the inheritors of the forerunners
> so they didn't gave humanity a chance to enter their great journey but instead declared a holy war to hide the truth.
The devastating result would led to the great schism. Covenant civil war thus we got halo 2 and 3 for that.
Basically Humans in covenant is a big retcon to the lore but the TV show ignores that.
The funny part about a Halo show in general is that there are so many cool things you could have done and could go, that it honestly feels like even going your own way with the setting you have to actively try to fuck it up.
God damn did the showrunners go above and beyond the call of duty to ru8n a good thing.
Fans to Paramount in a Nutshell: "Your inability to safeguard Halo was a colossal failure!"
EFAP: "Nay, it was heresy"
"Noble producers, surely you agree that once the man-babies attacked--"
"By the time I learned what Halo really was, there was nothing I could do."
I will continue my campaign against the humans!
back when Act Man was a friend of the show
It's like act man's villain arc. I was saying literally an hour before it all started that he's been slipping. I'm looking forward to seeing how far it goes before he's a good content creator again.
5:59:45 Jon wasn't finished. xD
I very much enjoyed Jon's energy boost talking about Halo after the discussion.
The "full Halo experience" refers to the full John Halo experience. See him in his armor, in the nude, with his helmet, without his helmet, within the helmet, and into his mind via expert writing (What is he?) and subtle acting (angry face while punching CGI alien.)
Glad to see the act man on here again. Hope he brings quantum tv to justice
I remember first playing Halo Combat Evolved and it was the minor actions of Master Chief which told me who he was as a person. Little things like putting his hand on the panicked marines shoulder at the start to try and calm him. Not excessive dialogue or having to remove his helmet to emote.
I LOVE how much energy E;R brings to the show XD He sounds like a guy that's just super done with bad stuff. It's like, "I make ONE retrospective critique on Legend of Korra and now I'm THE GUY that has to pick this crap apart"?
The reward for work well done is more work.
Obviously the big surprise for the first season if you were going to adapt the first game would be to tell the story of the Arbiter alongside it. He was made Arbiter as a punishment for his failure to defeat MC on the ring. He was in charge of the entire covenant fleet at the ring.
“Who are you?”
“Cortana.”
“Cortana who?”
(Long pause)……”Cortana Halo.”
I just read this comment on YT:
"I like the Halo show because it pisses fans off".
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Thats okay. Fans of these corrupted franchishes just want to watch these simpering,consooooma,clapping seals burn....it wont be long now.....
I'm convinced the purpose of these shows are to destroy good franchises, simply because they are good.
There's a disturbing increase in that mindset lately, I find. I swear a growing number of people don't care about quality or good storytelling or gameplay at all any more, all they want is to experience other people's misery. "Ha ha, look at these people actually caring about stuff, what a bunch of losers, I love seeing them suffer because they shouldn't care so much". I've literally seen people wish something was worse just so they could get more jollies watching people get upset at it.
I really don't understand why anyone would value how much something can upset people as a positive, especially over actual quality, but so it is. It explains some things if it's not just random people on the internet with that mindset but the people making our entertainment, though.
Memes aside, there is a serious hatred for gamers and nerd culture in the movie/TV industry. They don't understand it and usually know they can't make anything more popular, so they feel the need to mock and destroy it and are given almost unlimited resources to do so. It's creepy stuff.
@ElecManEXE it's a disgusting mindset
A comprehensive analogy for watching this show seems to be accurately summed up by the moment where Raiden turns off his pain inhibitors in Metal Gear Rising.
And thinking about what happens in this show flows like a flood of pain, pouring down on me.
And it will not let up until the end is here.
AND IT WILL GO, THROUGH THE DARKEST DAY, IN THE FINAL HOUR!
AND IT WILL NEVER REST UNTIL THE CLOUDS ARE CLEAR!
Doktor! Turn off my cringe inhibitors!
Until it finds my dreams have disappeared
Memes. The DNA of the soul.
@@Monko_pop you can’t fight nature Jack! Rain falls, wind blows, the strong prey on the weak! Don’t be embarrassed, it’s only nature taking its course! You’ve got no choices to make, nothing to answer for… you can die with a clear conscience.
Actually, isn’t there a better comparison in MGS 4? At some point, soldiers with emotion inhibiting nanomachines get them turned off after a mission, and the soldiers, in horror at what they’ve done, start committing game over
Emile from Reach is a great character to look at for how the source material handled child memories. He was taken for the program because his family was slaughtered by the Covenant and was basically put into a revenge group of spartans. He has full knowledge of what the program did to him but, because of the opportunity it gives him to kill covenant, he doesn't just accept it, he loves what he does.
As the saying goes, dude never worked a day in his life.
For something like Halo, the adaptation arguement is usually meant to serve to highlight how certain flaws have no right to exist, because they weren't present in the original source material and people bring it up not to defend the bad thing but to defend the good source, ina a way that is like "the source did not fuck this up so we are double mad that the adaptation did"
12:54 E;R had enough. xD
Fringy: E;R what do you think of.. this.. show?
E;R: ... 🚪
Jon seems like such a genuinely great dude. Awesome to see tbh. Grew up watching Arby & The Chief and never knew who was behind it. Great to see it’s someone with this kind of class.
This episodes illustrates why I preferable straight through line of critique, going through the medium in chronological order and dissecting each instance of inconsistency and stupid as it is encountered rather that Fringy's method of going by character, plot, world building theme, because Fringy's way involves a lot of jumping forward and back, going off on tangents and being slightly more hard to follow what is happening in the show.
Whereas with MauLer it's simply, "here is thing, this is why it's stupid, here is next thing, this is why it's stupid."
In the scene where Chief fights the two elites in melee he actually runs out of ammo mid fight if you look at the top right, I swear that’s why he tossed his AR away in the first place, sucks that the writers forgot he ran dry so it could be used later tho
In "The Fall of Reach" (I know, some of the events may have been retconned, but the foundation is still relevant), the Covenant show up in force on a tiny backwater colony world just to retrieve one little Forerunner artifact that was just sitting in a museum because the humans didn't know what it was. They sent everything, even hunters and engineers, and slaughtered the entire population and overran the UNSC forces stationed there. A team of Spartans was sent in to do reconnaissance and figure out what the Covenant wanted, and they managed to retrieve the artifact but nearly died in an encounter with a pair of hunters. One Spartan lost his arm. Compared with that, the Covenant in the show is a joke.
FoR is an excellent book.
Jon CJG and The Act Man in the same chat talking about a Halo show in 2022... this timeline does have its redeeming moments. 10/10 love the work you guys have done.
I get the distinct feeling that these (and many other) show writers believe that stoic characters are unrealistic and unengaging because they themselves have zero control over their emotions and someone who has their shit together is completely foreign to them. It really shows with the emotional grandstanding the dumb rebel girl does with the military commander when they ask her to speak about what happened during the Covenant attack. Just very immature writing.
Nah, they just think stoicism is toxic masculinity. Don't kid yourself, it's just more political BS on their side
The Forerunners are Jedi and John Halo uses the force to save the Mass Effect and the USSR Enterprise
There are times where I'm not sure if the creator is incompetent or malicious.
Things like Ghostbusters(2016), The Farce Awokens, and The Tism of Skywalker, I'm pretty sure are incompetence.
Things like The Last Jedi, Terminator: Woke Fate, and Whittaker Dr. Who, I'm pretty sure are malicious.
But Halo(TV show) is obviously made due to pure malice. The writers and the show creators are literally trying to tell you that they think the franchise is bad and the show made as a response of how _they_ would do it.
These creatives hate the fans for varying reasons and more shows will keep being made in the same vein.
Imagine having a persecution complex over tv series lol, legit how sad & pathetic are you?
I'd say it's BOTH,with healthy doses of arrogance and blind agenda pushing thrown in for good measure.
This show has every hint of the show runners not giving a shit about the IP. They glimpsed some wiki pages and assumed the understood things. The entire show has giant "Spock is my favourite Star Wars character" energy.
The movie may have been made without malice, but everything done after the first Ghostbusters 2016 trailer was definitely the creators being malicious
Call it Chibnall Who. Jodie did the best with the trash material she was given. With better scripts she'd have shined.
The covenant being an existential threat to humanity was one of my favorite themes of the books and Halo:Reach. That's what the Winter Contingency of Reach was about. The biggest and most important procedure for any ship or colony being attacked by the covenant is to delete any and all mention and existence of Earth, the cradle of humanity. They can and will exterminate the entire human race, and if they find earth its over. Such a great narrative and plot driving circumstance. While as a whole the rest of halo is just "save the universe" they also have access to and have utilized this great idea for weight and consequences. This is the same stuff behind like how if they are damaged to a point of not being able to return the spartans will literally turn their armor into a nuke and slag it, and whatever is in the vicinity.
Man, ER sounds like such a dainty little flower when he’s not in character. I kinda wanna stuff him into a locker
One of the key themes of Halo is the fear of replacement, of others coming along and taking from you your heritage, your future, and your purpose. We have the humans -- a golden age of space travel and colonization now threatened to be brutally cut short by a genocidal enemy of greater technological achievement. We have the Prophets, whose religious authority is undercut by the revelation that humans are favoured by the Forerunners, hence the Hierachs' conspiracy and the insistence that humans must be destroyed. We have the Elites, who are to be phased out of their favoured role in the Covenant and replaced by the Brutes, their warrior's honour turned from asset to liability. We have the backstory of the Forerunners, and how they came to hold the Mantle of Responsibility (spoilers). The flash clone replacements of the Spartans play into this theme too, I imagine. "We can't be replaced. We must transcend the threat of replacement. We must protect our heritage, our future, our status" -- this is the shared fear/resolve that drives everyone. Crowned by Halo itself -- the ultimate salvation of the galaxy, the ultimate weapon of destruction. It saves the Forerunners' legacy, it saves sapient life. It destroys the Forerunners' legacy, it destroys sapient life. It is humanity's birthright; it is the motive for humanity's attempted destruction. It will take all on the Great Journey; the Covenant are a millennium cult, remember. The show, though, seems to have none of this. They understand "Halo is a weapon", but don't understand that this is secondary to what Halo is thematically. Halo is heritage, it is purpose, it is damaged cultures searching for redemption. This is Halo, the Forerunners, the Covenant: ruclips.net/video/USrneY8SGWM/видео.html. Again, do we get anything of this richness from the show?
Underrated comment.
I never watched the show.
Just LISTENING, FUCKING LISTENING!!!! To Act Man’s review and this podcast PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH THAT IN ALL MY YEARS, after everything I suffered through, TMNT, Sonic, Disney Star Wars, and so many, many, MANY other’s that I loved, ate up the lore and enjoyed every moment of:
This was the worst. The worst adaptation, the worst betrayal, and the worst shit on the fans and their love of a series moments I have ever seen.
It’s not just Chief fucking someone, it’s not just him never wearing armor, it’s not even the fact that the goddamned Convenant are considered a mild inconvenience and they are not glassing planets when they are.
It’s every fucking frame, every fucking word, every fucking MISTAKE made in this series. I am not even going into the MASSIVE character assassination of all the characters AND THE PROGRAM!!!
This show I could spend hours tearing it apart and ranting. This show alone has destroyed more than anything else any desire to touch Halo again.
EDIT: I told my best friend who’s a huge Halo fanatic and halfway through she was screaming and ranting about it. And she’s never done that before.
One last edit: Red vs Blue is/was one of my favorite series to watch. Only two seasons had characters removing their helmet’s. And yes, it started as a comedy, but over time it developed into so much more. They never removed their helmet’s, they never really focused on their thoughts or what they were thinking out loud. But even starting season four or five, you can see what their thought process is, what they’re feeling and what they are thinking without words, helmets off, or even a long time with the character. It’s magnificently done, and I don’t need faces to see that.
Another last thing: The two games I compare the show to is Halo 2 and Mass Effect 1. Halo 2 in a handful of cutscenes draws you in, makes you understand the Covenant hierarchy and the Arbiter and the respect the position leads to. Later on I always laugh and am in awe when the first time he sees Gravemind he immediately snarls out: “Demon!!!” Even after all that happened and what situation he is in, he still has that focus.
And Mass Effect 1, the meeting with the council the first and second time. The awe and understanding that quickly comes with such world building and how quickly it is explained without showcasing what is going on.
Both did this MUCH better than the show.
Thank you for vocalizing my feelings so well. I didn't think I would be so pissed off about this show cuz I expected it to be shit and I already thought Halo 5 ruined the franchise. Ive already watched so many other things i loved get shit on so i thought I'd be numb to it by now. I was wondering why it is affecting me so much then I realized it. It was the first game I ever played other than space invaders or super mario. It was my first M rated game. It was my first fps. It was the first game I could play with friends. It was what initially got me into science fiction along with Star Wars. I LEARNED MY FIRST CUSS WORDS FROM SERGEANT JOHNSON! Halo is something that defined my childhood and who I am... I feel empty.
I didn’t grow up with Halo, sadly. A bit old for that. XDDD
But I did have this as my first FPS, and I loved it, I still remember swearing like a sailor when I found out about what the Ring does. I still remember my friends and I playing Halo and chatting over the mics and goofing off.
Hell, I remember when I never played Halo before and I was role playing Red vs Blue with some of the concepts of Halo on my friends ideas, and it got so bad with my lack of knowledge I posted a disclaimer in my signature (still have it there just for laughs), saying I never played Halo before and barely knew about it.
My friend and I rp Spartan II, we developed our own world with a combination of Red vs Blue and Halo
with a massive respect to the lore. More than this show.
This just… ugh.
I mostly agree although I don't know if I agree with worst adaptation ever. The Meg is a REALLY bad adaptation. It has the same basic premise as the book and they got the name of the protagonist correct and that's where the similarities with the book end.
@@williamcronshaw5262 at least it got the basic premise. This show is literally just wearing the skin suit of Halo. Take away the outfits, alter the alien's appearance a bit and change the names and there is nothing reminiscent of Halo.
I'm pretty sure in the context of Halo that the "insurgents" the Spartan program was originally aimed at were like proper terrorists and rogue elements, yet the show definetly wanted a "Rebel Alliance" sort of thing for them.
Star Wars has fucking ruined the perspective of resistance
As good as it was to hear them tear the show in two, hearing them talk about the best aspects of Bungie's Halo was my favorite part of the stream.
There's just so much to love about those games. They are relics of a different time where a story was being told to you through gameplay and not just cutscenes. Remember when the flood shows up and you have this immediate fear of it cause you can see what it does to biological lifeforms? Then you find all these little environmental bits of story telling. The elevator is destroyed. Oh here's this other elevator.... oh no it goes DOWN.... why is the shaft covered in covenant blood?!
Such amazing games!
Bungie's trilogy is pretty much the best trilogy in gaming history.
Fringy: "I like him, but then he does stupid stuff, like walk around-"
Out of context, but I thought it sounded funny.
Wait, isn't MAC basically a railgun?
I've never played halo and know very little about it, but I do know that MAC stands for "Magnetic Accelerator Cannon", which if my understanding of magnetic mass driver weapons is any good, should be nothing like a nuke as Fringy describes it 🤔
Haven’t reached Fringy’s comment yet, so I may need to adjust my response
You’re correct about the Magnetic portion though the other type of magnetic weapon is a coil gun, main differences would be railguns can accelerate a projectile to much faster speeds but are much slower for follow up shots. I don’t remember if the halo series ever specified which.
As for impacting like a nuke, if you accelerate a projectile fast enough it absolutely can have the energy of a nuke without the fallout, but you gotta get that sucker moving quite fast
Think about it this way:
A Mac gun bolt can rip through a Convenant’s shields like a hot knife through butter. They launched a ship full of nukes and missiles at one when they first fought and it didn’t even take down the shield’s. It takes about two or three to take down one Convenant ship when they have MAC GUNS.
The problem is that the guns are rare, and very slow to charge. During that time you have to keep alive and if there’s more than one you’re really hoping for a miracle.
It’s not a fleet killer having one against Convenant, it’s just the best and most effective weapon against them.
Also, they’re about the size of a ship to power it. It’s like having a Death Star laser on a TIE fighter is a great comparison.
no, Fringy's quite right about this. For real world examples of what speed alone can achieve, just google pictures of meteor impacts. Those were caused by the release of kinetic energy alone.
Objects store energy as they are accelerated, so if you can accelerate an inert object extremely fast, it will release a LOT of energy at impact (energy equals mass multiplied by speed... relativity), removing the need for anything like a warhead. This is the theoretical advantage of something like a rail or coil gun. You can use a sudden pulse of magnetic energy to accelerate a projectile to beyond supersonic in a matter or seconds and just let physics do the rest at the moment of impact.
i actually think there's an optional scene in one of the Mass Effect games where they explain it detail. But yeah, you're talking megatons of potential energy here. Even a relatively small projectile of dense enough material (say 100 KG of solid tungsten) will cause an explosive release in the multiple megaton range on impact
Yeah no, I'm not debating damage. Railguns and other kinetic energy weapons can absolutely annihilate. My comment is more about pure mechanics, I feel like when described as a "basically a nuke" to someone not familiar with it, it might cause some misunderstanding
@@MaxRovensky a nuclear physicist would actually agree with Fringy. A nuclear reaction is caused by suddenly reducing the mass of a dense object and converting the lost mass into energy, it's a pure release of stored energy, where as conventional explosions are chemical reactions causing a far more gradual release of energy through means such as combustion.
The "We Are ODST" commercial still gives me chills.
Yes I will dedicate my 8 hours free day to this podcast while I do all my housekeeping shit.
I knew the show was going to be shit the second John took his helmet off.
Also, the action scenes didn’t look that great, they just seem great compared to the rest of the show.
4:28:00 completely with you Jon, Chief is not a rageful character, ever. Being focused and reserved is how he always is, him feeling more emotional comes with changes in his stance not screaming while punching an elite to a pulp. The writers did not understand him at, didn't even try.
It's funny how Hollywood writers look down on video games when so many movies these days are written like bad fetch quests
I like the idea of Master Chief in a TV series as a static, but not passive character. I would equate it to a rolling western TV series were the mysterious figure walks for situation to situation, helping those in need with largely physical problems. He has himself total sorted out and undergoes very little if any character development. Instead, because of his reliable and consistent nature he acts as a rock for other to latch onto whenever they undergo character development. He would act as our primary lens into which we see the universe but other than action or other physical problems, would not be the primary source of conflict or resolution in the show. I say this because unlike in a videogame were physical action and problems can be the only driving forces, a TV show or movie would do better with more character conflict and I don't think master chief is a character suited to drive that kind of story.
Have some well written Marines or ODSTs, stuck behind enemy lines, or left behind of an evacuation, and having them find themselves with the Master Chief. He's working with them trying to get them out alive, have conflict and trust issues with him with how unfeeling he seems, with them realizing the lengths chief goes through to save their lives. Fuck what a wasted opportunity.
@@Tripleat117 Honestly, you can have the first three episodes be about man slaughtering man, follow UNSC marines/Troopers fighting against Insurrectionists and show the Insurrectionists fighting the UNSC. Then in the first couple of episodes, when the fighting is getting intense, the UNSC deploys Spartans which decimate the Innies on all fronts. You can have it show that the UNSC has a bad side and a good one, and show that the Insurrectionists have a bad side and a good one. the UNSC nuked an entire colony to destroy the beginnings of the Innies but ended up stoking it, the Innies killed innocent civilians in their campaign for "Independence" so it's not like there's a lack of material.
Then within episodes 4-6, you could shift to Harvest and show the Covenant discovering Humanity, Brutes and Grunts going down to the planet, then have that bit in the next episode or two, and if you can secure funding for at least 12 episodes. You can show the UNSC fighting a desperate, yet losing war against the Covenant up until episode 12 which would be the Fall of Reach and end on the Autumn finding Inst. 04.
Could literally devote season 2 to Humanity fighting desperately on the ring, winning and losing battles just like in the game/book and perhaps, the last few episodes of season 2 can be dedicated to either Chief returning to Reach then Earth or just returning to Earth. Boom, if you do it properly and have amazing writers you could hook people AND if it's successful, could even get a season 3 going where it's all about the battle for Earth.
Damn digitalph33r that’s unlocked some memories, hard justice was my first and favourite machinima. And in terms of ‘good’ adaptations, respecting but sometimes stretching the source material is halo legends, that arbiter episode was epic
I love E;R getting better on streams. He’s brilliant and I’d like to see him on Drinker’s show or FNT someday
I don't think he'd fit into fnt at all tbh
The common wisdom of writing is that the first draft is always shit.
Unfortunately in Hollywood these days, the first draft is also the only draft.
In many cases, it seems they start filming with an outline before they've even finished the first draft.
To accurately describe the series, you must quote The Gravemind:
"I AM A MONUMENT TO ALL YOUR SINS"
Dang, Jon is a Halo legend!!
Remember, Fringy is the kind of guy who would betray humanity for a jetpack.
i mean, it's 2022, do you really think it's even worth the price of a jetpack anymore?
So he and Woolie are alike in that regard.
@@DrakeDarkHunter How many puppers would you snuff for a shine spark?
2:52:00 Halo Reach is one of my favorite videogame campaigns ever. The way that the story and atmosphere is shown to the player is masterfully done.
“If you throw an assault rifle on the floor in episode 1, you better have someone find it 100 yards away underneath a truck where they’re hiding so it can conveniently save their life by the time the series ends.”
It’s a famous quote guys come on every writer knows this.
Really cool to see DigitalPh33r and E;R together. Great episode.
I had never heard the lore/story of Halo before.
But when they started saying that with a TV Show you can remove the constraints of mission design and clean the story to deliver it at its best, I felt like that's what Mass Effect attempted to do given how similar those are in story structure.
Adaptation will never not matter to the end quality of something. Simply put if there's too many changes or changes that completely alter the IP they are adaptating it's simply unacceptable.
If you want to do your own thing make your own original story.
The ONLY reason this keeps happening is because they want to leech off of the work other people already did to establish a universe and fanbase and use brand names to kickstart their own awfull stories that no one would care about without brand names.
Bad adaptations are objectively bad. Period.
Sure, but you have to bite the bullet that Shawshank, The Shining, Civil War, Arcane and Hill House are objectively bad, as well as countless others.
I disagree and opt for a system with more accurate ways of breaking down stories.
@@MauLerYT And what makes you think this other system is more "accurate"?
All of the ones listed above minus Arcane could have been their own unique stories, Arcane being in this weird limbo where it's canon to the source material but also made some retcons.
bad adaptations can be good stories in their own right. The original Blade Runner can barely be considered 'inspired by' Philip Dick's story.
The problem with shows like HALO is not just that it's a bad adaptation, it's a bad adaptation and a bad story, leading you to question why the fuck it was even made in the first place. Like, from an artistic standpoint, what idiot read this script and decided it was good enough to be skinned as Halo? I suspect the answer is the studio was on a deadline to get something out, but that further begs the question of why did they pay the licensing fees and production costs before they stopped to consider whether or not it was a quality product?
The real problem with the Halo adaptation was all the changes they made made things more convoluted, more generic, more nonsensical... when adapting you should be doing the opposite of all those. The plot of Halo 1 is told in roughly an hour of actual cutscenes and in-game dialogue and is still far more compelling and coherent than what they did in 8 hours of the show, so it really makes you question the sanity of the people behind it. When you have two things you can set side-by-side for comparison so easy, it really makes you question how some people have careers.
@@kenkaneki3873 it's more accurate because under it, The Halo show, the sequel trilogy, GoT s8 and Netflix Cowboy Bebop are all bad while The Shining, Arcane and Hill House are good.
While you end up condemning some excellent stories as bad due to the broadness of your brush.
@@petriew2018 I'm not saying that there's a priority list here but rather that it's all connected. The writing is indeed god awfull but it's still a bad adaptation at the same time.
You mentioned Halo CE which immideatly brings me to the Book Halo The Flood which is basically the novelization of the first game, difference being that it adds more layers ontop of the first games story. Covenant and Autumn Crew POVs aswell as post flood infection Jenkins.
This is what I would consider a faithfull good adaption that's also well written as it follows the plot of the first game but adds all the perspectives we didn't see since in the game you only play from Chiefs perspective.
Nice to see two shadows boys and another sunglasses boi to keep Rags company this time.
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Listening to Jon and his behind-the-scenes stories of developing Arby N' The Chief is always awesome, especially when the EFAP hosts chime in with memories of when they first saw the series and got to certain episodes...such wholesome content from such a toxic brood.
This entire era is going to be looked back upon and called "What should have been" because we've and entire culture's worth of amazing stories intentionally destroyed instead of explored.
Awesome to see Jon back again
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Very Excited to watch This one!
The Halos were the forerunners last ditch effort to stop the flood.
After they used the rings the first time, the Forerunners' machines went and repopulated the effected worlds with beings grown from the samples taken from each individual planet. Some of the flood managed to survive the Initial ring activations which is why we see the flood in the halo games at all. (Based on the extended lore from the books, comics and animated shorts)
It's a real travesty that this show is so horrible, they had an ungodly amount lore, stories and characters to use and they chose this dumpster fire of a story.
This is even more disappointing to think that Paramount pulled the original halo movie project back in 2009 (I think) and that team made District 9.
Imagine if that District 9 team had been able to make this Halo show using stuff from the original Scrapped Halo movie.
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From what I remember, and tbh that's an issue in Halo lore, the rings themselves are containment zones for flood remnants. The galaxy is swiped clean of everything, this is why repopulated or newly evolved life can prosper freely. Only once external actors meddle with the halos does the flood find the means of escaping the rings and sweep over the galaxy again.
I never understood why the forerunners would preserve the flood but 343 offered an explanation in that the flood was an invader from outside the galaxy and thus keeping samples for the possible creation of a cure was deemed more important in case of an external reinfection.
Ofc 343 also introduced that the forerunners killed themselves and only themselves....I am sorry for rambling on, this particular part of halo lore never made sense to me.
Maybe it works if, consistent with halo 1-3 the forerunners were humans but they never intended to reset their civilization and then something went wrong.
Again sorry for rambling.
I love how E;R just sounds so, so, so, so dead
"E;R, what do you think?"
_leaves_
Yeah that probably sums it up adequately.
It's frustrating how easy getting a win with a halo tv show would have been...
It’s worth noting in the books that Doctor Halsey knows she’s going to burn in hell and her choices weigh heavily on her.
My memory is poor, but I seem to remember a scene where she snaps at someone from ONI with a line akin to “We’re able to stand here debating about the ethics of my Spartans because they are saving humanity, and that fact speaks our conversation for us.”