Something I wanted to throw in is the fact that nobody involved with the server got feedback on any bans bsg had conducted individually… Our only job was to get rid of the useless clips and filter down to clips that were suspicious, not make ANY final decisions or call anyone a cheater in the first place. I know that is the reason many of you feared the Discord, and I shrugged off these concerns because I was so sure this was NOT the case. Until the truth became clear…
we actually reported 1 or 2 cheater with video and voip on video and we got response the guy was not cheating,so dunno how you think the discord is actually going good
We told you it was a nothing burger and you were POSITIVE it was a great idea. Then g0at made a great video and you called him a clout chaser. Now that you and Axel have held a galactic amount of L’s you’re thankful to g0at. Clown armband gang 🤡
@@KurimeYT you are missing the point buddy bsg is suppossed to check if these sus clips that could also be desync or whatever are actual cheaters not just ban them.
Turns out we were all right about being concerned about it. Can we all just finally agree that BSG is shitting on everyone? Finnnnallly? As a group? Together?
It's insane to me that it's only been two weeks and they're already shut down. So many fucking people were shouting from the rooftops that this was a stupid witch hunt discord.
treys willing to accept it now that he got ratio'd to death. dude is on full damage control. within 24 hours he went from being a bsg shill to giving them the finger. these hoes aint loyal.
@@AustinWigley This video is just damage control after all the shit that went down on Twitter and it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. It's putting all of the blame on BSG, which, fair enough, they deserve a lot of the blame, but does nothing to excuse the behavior on Twitter or against G0at. Trey making a TikTok showcasing the invisible bug/hack, whatever you wanna call it, is fine but when G0at makes a video showcasing cheats and how deep the cheating problem runs, it's not fine? Utter clownery.
@@AustinWigley who the hell elected these guys to be the "leaders" anyways? tarkov is truly the wild west. no authority or oversight. just a big shit show full of cheaters and bsg wont do nothing about it because they make alot of money from the cheaters.
@@AustinWigley I mean, the essence of the problem is that BSG is doing manual bans based on statistics and clips. This is not a system that can ever guarantee innocents will not be banned, and that is where I think it is a bit silly that these content creators didn't realize this discord would not solve that problem. Additionally, if you want to get unbanned because your ban was unfair, good fucking luck lol.
Thank you for manning up and admitting fault in the best way possible. You were idealistic and lets be honest some of us hoped you were right. The truth is Nikita wants it to appear like they are dealing with cheaters because its easier to look like you are trying then to actually try.
@@dabong420 SCENARIO: youve made a mistake. Youve expressed an opinion to your family for example and now regret what you said. According to you: what is "manning up" in this scenario ? Is it always "jumping ship" if you change your opinion after youve expressed it, due to new info, or simply personal growth ? Please elaborate. Or rather: please feel dumb trying
@@dabong420 A yes. The "real men" never admit fault; why "man up" and admit a mistake, something that actually requires courage and setting aside your ego instead of just running away from it by doubling down? You have a lot of growing up to do, buddy.
Trey :"The idea of this discord was never to determine if a player was cheating and send them off to BSG to get banned, but rather filter down information to assist them in cracking down on cheaters." Rengawr: "I'm gonna get this guy banned" x20
Well it's true, that was never the intended idea of the discord server, Rengawr was the perfect example of how irresponsible that system could be in the wrong hands
@@devanterandle1369 you dont say?!?! giving streamers a badge and the authority to get people banned is irresponsible??!?!? NOOOOOO. streamers like trey are angels and only have OUR best interest at heart. him and his goons totally not gonna get a power trip and cause damage to the community.
@@Teddy-se8qb lmfaooooo his GOONS??! y'all are so fucking dramatic in this comment section, it's like a bunch of Karen ass women shouting random thoughtless insults at a situation they would do NO better in.
You and the community gave BSG the opportunity to really get on board with things and it had the potential to shake things up and get the ball moving. But they fucked up and it's sad that the community seems to care more about the health of the game then BSG. Might just be my last wipe
this is about the dumbest idea for combating hackers anyways. content creators being the judge and jury on peoples accounts. wtf is that about? how about bsg just invest into a better anti cheat? that will get rid of a good chunk of the 60%.
@@Teddy-se8qb nah the CSGO overwatch system works but it's impossible to have it in Tarkov. The main reasons are because there is currently no demo recoding system in game, they are using battleye and not vac which has the vacnet ai doing reviews of demos and live games to ban people. Bsg doing any improvements to the anti cheat is likely never gonna happen or it's gonna be a half-assed fix that doesn't do anything like their supposed radar fix. I still don't understand how flying cheats and item teleportation isn't a insta ban/ kick from the game when it's the easiest thing to detect.
@@Teddy-se8qb did you even watch the video about it or this video on the first place? He said that no (big) streamers were involved and it is purely volunteers effort. The fault is entirely on bsg.
@@foxfire1112 Well he did say that he believed/had faith that he was making a positive difference for the game and community. I'm sure that there was some sort of privacy agreement between BSG and participants in that Discord. He stated that he felt guilty for being naíve to the situation and just wants things to be right for the people who love this game. Maybe it wasn't immediate transparency, but if he believed what he was doing was helping, how was he to be transparent about things of this nature? He realized the way things are progressing, realized how little BSG cares, and opened up about the current state of the situation that is meant to be kept relatively "under the radar". So yeah, I'm thankful to Trey as well. At least he came out with the information, likely at the cost of some sort of privacy agreement that could affect his standing with BSG, Tarkov, and some of his viewership. This is the way I see it, anyhow.
YEA! MYAN!!! like they will totally make him like chief of celebs now. he had ultimate veto authority over all pleberai. prepare for ur life to suck lozl!!! WORSHIP UR MASTERS!!! HAHAHAH SO EDGY WE ARE .. DOWN WITH BSG!! WE MUST HACK NOW IT IS OUR DESTINY
Really happy to see you able to come out and admit you were wrong about things, that takes a lot sometimes. Especially on a platform so big. Goat really did have the best intentions and it’s nice to see more big names understand that. Always love your videos man, and honestly BSG needs to respect you as much as you have them. They’re capable of changing things and listening to these issues without taking it personally. They’re a game dev company. Their players deserve that same respect, considering we paid money to be subject to these issues. I hope they come out of this with solutions, and not excuses or moving of goalposts. We just want a game that feels fair. If that means a fucking engine overhaul to update unity then fuck it. I’m willing to wait to enjoy the game fully.
trey blames goat for causing a cheater problem. within 24 hours trey and his goons is directly responsible for getting possibly thousands of players banned. whos the problem? and who the fuck gave these cucks the authority to fuck over thousands of people?
LOL “job” bro why is everyone shocked about hackers any good game is gonna have hackers and look how this fool talks about this situation as if he’s been hired and left his job 😂hahahahah clowns to whoever feels this entitled
I'm a game developer that has worked on games with cheating problems before. The unfortunate truth is that all you're really doing by having that community server, is making BSG more money. Every time a cheater is banned, they go buy another account. BSG has incentive to ban cheaters, but not to make anti-cheat for their game. I know this because I've seen it before, you'd be surprised how many cheats could be patched by big developers if they wanted to. While banning cheaters faster (even through manual systems) does reduce the amount of cheaters you'd see in games, it won't solve the 60+% of cheaters that toggle esp in raid. A replay system won't even fix it either. What you really need is a better anti-cheat, which targets the cheat developers rather than the cheaters. If you take them out, or at least delay them, it'll have the same effect on everyone who uses their software. In short, the community discord server is nice, but wouldn't solve the cheating problem in Tarkov.
Dev here too, a replay/overwatch system like CSGO definitely would help. I can clearly tell if somebody is using ESP based on where they’re looking and what they’re checking. For example if they don’t clear any angles and push out onto site looking exactly where the opponent is you know they have ESP. Also taking out cheat developers is like taking out drug dealers, another one will always come along. It’s no good focusing attention like this as it’s a losing battle just like the war on drugs.
The discord goal was to filter the names of suspicious people so that BSG could examine their accounts and the raids in which clips happened but the issue comes from BSG who had nothing to do with it and who manually banned all players whose clips were suspect just to brag about a big wave of bans of cheaters, you're not responsible for their stupidity
I reported a guy that seemed to have been blatantly cheating. Even trey said that he is in the discord. After adding him tho i had a long convo with him and he seemed very confused and explained to me that it was desync. I doubt a cheater would go as far as texting with me for an hour. I really believe that he is not cheating now and it would be very unfair to have him banned for a good play + desync. Btw is name wasnt on the ban list. I can send you the clip if you want
@@prymexxxx It's really hard to say whether or not someone is cheating in this game, and trust you me; a lot of cheaters will go as far as to chat with you for an hour to prove you otherwise, BUT at the same time, I was falsely banned in CSGO by their so called Overwatch system last year and most people assume that I cheated and will cheat again even though that's not the case. It's been 212 days and I'm still banned even after having several people vouch for me, make social media posts, and try to have valve look into it, I even had a chat with Sparkles (known csgo youtuber), but in the end, no one has any "proof" except for the game developers and there's not much that can be done. For all you know I could be making this up, or try to defend cheaters or whatever, there's no way of knowing except for the good ol' "trust me bro". False bans sure do suck and I hope your guy doesn't get banned if he was in fact not cheating, but regardless that's not on you and you shouldn't feel bad about it. We have no choice but to trust that the developers use all of their resources and apply bans fairly
@@SorrowAngel97 Yeah I just dont trust bsg to do a fair look at the account. Also considering how expensive the eod version is it would be horrible to get him banned
I called you out and I was against the idea from the start, mostly due to something like this likely happening from BSG's side at some point. However, I'm really glad you realized it in time, reacted promptly and ended the relationship. Let's hope they can get their crew straight and back on the right path, because this is a giant dumpster fire right now.
Its highly unlikely that BSG does anything to get the community back. They've made all the money that they can, theres no proverbial carrot for the company. Cheaters make them more money by buying new accounts. They already have our money, what more can we give them?
@@richardferrell4362 We can just hope they love their game as much as we do. I'm very glad the cat is out of the bag finally, because now we will get a quick answer to where their priorities lie in the coming weeks.
I'm thankful you can recognize your mistake, and we are thankful for your attempt at saving the game we all love. BSG has to make changes. They have virtually zero community support atm (outside of major streamers who dont have the same integrity as yourself by owning up to this) and they are losing the .01% of those that do support them. I haven't dumped 1000's of hours into this game to let shitty devs ruin it lol. It is almost seeming to me that they're slowly killing the game and scooping up all the money they can before it falls apart
This wasn't just a mistake. It was a brain dead mistake and alot of people were saying it but Trey kept defending it like the bsg shill and weasel he is.
Was banned because of this discord and the leniency of account checking - my accounts stats are not high, lvl 36 - asmonbaldo, you can see my name in the list, alpha EOD account, I killed a player on lighthouse and quite literally a minute after, I died, game closed and banned(so either I killed a streamer or I was manually reviewed after the kill?). Part of me wants to complain for my account back but I think at this point there's not much point coming back to play anyway
I can speak for a lot of casual players when I say we are fed up, and not only that not playing or rarely playing anymore. If I as a casual player can feel the impact of cheaters by playing only 10 hours a week, that just proves what a shitty state this game is in right now.
@@jackwood1142 3 in 5 games have cheaters, some maps have multiple cheaters, if you like pvp like i do you die in some sus ways very often, they should give the player a kill cam after you left the raid, this wipe i often report players, you die without seeing the enemy (even tho you know where he is), it's possible that is just a unreal dsync all over the game or they kill you in a fraction of a second with aimbot where the game didn't even register the peek
I've only got like 70 hours in the game and i have seen and been killed by a bunch of cheaters Shoreline is the map I 've ran into them the most on. My 5 man squad was killed by 1 near the gas station 2 of us got droped. we then ran back into the woods then 1 of us got droped from weather tower same guy, we then ran to the brick building next to the damn. I then was killed from the other side of the river so the guy was flying I think.
The plot thickens, you tried your best and that alone should be commended. I just wonder how much we dont know about the problem. It feels like the rabbit hole will never end. You a true Tarkov OG.
I stopped playing in 2020 because of cheaters. I came back this wipe for street. Literally nothing has changed. Nothing has changed besides you can report people. Same exact wall hacks 3 years later. The cheaters are flourishing
Damn that sucks. I hope you aren't beating yourself up too hard about this. It's a shame BSG doesn't seem to be taking any of this seriously. You tried your best.
Bro why would they care why would they ban money printing machine cheaters are printing money for them bro 4000 accounts = $160000 minimum why would they stop that would you??
With access to log data, I'm pretty certain an AI could be effectively trained to quickly flag suspicious activity. It would become very difficult to evade this kind of measure when lines of sight and audio queues are known by the AI.
AI player behaviour anticheats will be the future, there is no way anticheats can keep up with the cheats technically, but the players using them will always act in a more uniform way than players without. training something to identify this is the future
@@Pawuch You're right and that's where something like the discord group would have been really useful, sadly it looks like the effort and extra opportunities it produced weren't taken advantage of in any meaningful way at all, even without advanced tech being involved !
"I take full responsibilty for trusting them" is a wild thing to have to say about the people that are supposed to be developing and pushing progress within this game
Streamers do not work for BSG. Streamers are not devs. I think its time streamers stop trying to be a part of something that's not helping in return. I honestly get tired of streamers trying so fucking hard to make this game fun and exciting like it once was but the reality is, its not you're game to change. They have not listened for years and they don't plan on it now. It's honestly exasperating.
He only admitted to it because he was “forced “. He knew he had to get ahead of the cheater review discord info that came out. He lied to his community, his supporters, and then tries to act like he’s sorry. He’s only sorry his lies came to light
@@adamwooten6771 dont be an instigator. it seems like you can't admit to your own wrongdoings. im sure you've fucked up before but with good intentions. the difference between you and a real man is you blame everyone but yourself and trust me man one day you'll learn that blaming everyone but yourself will lead to a life of loneliness. Learn that people make mistakes and as long as the intention was good, apologizing and learning from it is the best path you can take. I feel bad for anyone you've possibly been in a relationship with lmfao
Bro, this is the 1st wipe ive really taken seriously. I've put a lot into it as a solo player and thought i was making wrong moves and not understanding basic mechanic's after being so incredibly cautious and dying in such poor fashion. After seeing the hacks available, I see how i was wronged for maybe 20 to 50% of the time, it may not have been my fualt. Maybe more...... The question as to how much is the real struggle. I love this game and to see current events hurts me plenty as i dont have much spare time, and learning this game is what ive done with it. To know i was possibly being fooled and maybe i just sucked is'nt the struggle for reward i decided to strive for with my time. But all good things get attacked and i still have faith for the greatest game punish/reward game ive ever played. Souls borne 4 life.... Equality. Thanks for the vid buddy.
We don't always see eye to eye on issues with the game but damn I love that you made this video. I appreciate everything you've done for this community and hopefully we can make some real change eventually.
I started seeing these compounding issues almost 3 years ago and sure I'm not a streamer or anything special but when I used to point things out to friends and people I would play with I was called insane and an attention seeker for just voicing concerns over issues that were rapidly popping up. From bsg seeming to care less and less with each year, the major bugs just being tossed aside because they seemingly don't want to work on them, the test servers only being used to test the most minor of things and to such a miniscule amount to where the testing is basically for nothing, and the rampant issue with cheaters growing by the year to where I don't think I've experienced a single day when I was playing this wipe where I wasn't killed through a wall, floor, or any other concealment. Right now this once phenomenal game with a unique vision is becoming an ever growing regret as I feel all those hours I've sank into the game has been just to watch it die a pathetic death.
ETS is so pointless it’s actually mind boggling! A beta having a test server is one thing but the fact that virtually nothing is actually tested on there makes even less sense.
I am in the exact same situation with the exact same amount of time spent in game and I simply cannot agree more with you. The silence the devs are treating us with is simply insulting. Imagine a game in BETA where the devs don't care about people's suggestions and opinions. Hell...where's the beta testing even at lmfao... When I first picked up this game I immediately felt this has so much potential and it can be SUCH A GREAT GAME maybe even compete with bigger games like GTA, CSGO, Dota 2 etc. IT HAS THAT POTENTIAL...but BSG simply refuses to do anything and I can imagine nikita staying there on his couch eating popcorn and watching the community light fires in despair...I don't want this to have the same fate as DayZ...
"I know that is the reason many of you feared the Discord, and I shrugged off these concerns" it may be late but glad you're able to see the other side of the conversation now
@@Whathec well he pretty much got ratio'd to death in the last 24 hours. because he was clearly sucking bsg off. now he turns on bsg and says they are being shady. all this within a 24 hour span. this young man has alot to learn.
Man... big props to you for trying and admitting to the failure. It seems more and more that BSG just drops the ball at every step. The community shouldn't be dealing with cheaters, BSG needs to.
Damn Trey, this video is awesome compared to your last one man. Thank you for being upfront and just being a man about it in general. I hope i can play this game soon with no cheaters haha
Like you said 'this has been your LIFE for three years' to the casuals its been our weekends here and there. I think everyone appreciates the transparency, and the addition of self awareness is helpful, thank you for the video man :)
The goal was to filter the names of suspicious people so that BSG could examine their accounts and the raids in which clips happened. The issue comes from BSG who had nothing to do with it and who manually banned all players whose clips were suspect just to brag about a big wave of bans of cheaters
Things often do not work out in life as expected, but your intentions were right. You may be disappointed but do not be to hard on yourself. To Everybody: Always remember that it is the cheaters in the first place who are responsible for any of this shit we as a Tarkov community are going through. These guys are just pathetic and should learn to reflect and better themselves accordingly.
Only persons at fault are the people working at BSG not doing anything about it. If the option for players to CHEAT is out there and nothing is done about it, what do you think the majority are gonna do after being hacked on numerous times? Either quit or download cheats. So whose fault is it? Last time I checked none of us are on the dev team.
@@SexehPvP SO the logic im hearing is, just cause another person does it, I should? The people with that mentality are wrong. Just cause another Failure does it, does not mean I have to follow in their foots steps. People still think this is GTA San Adrea's days where their cheats dont effect anyone. Yes the Dev teams needs to make a better effort towards this endeavor, and I am far from giving them a free pass, but the losers who download cheats dont get one either.
@@XxMrCNotexX The problem is having the option to cheat in the first place. It should not be an option. Or at least to the best of their abilities. There's literally 10+ cheats that have been undetected for years. Not months, not a wipe, years. Most will never be banned using undetected cheats. Nikita's excuse is "It's too much work" to overhaul the entire system. Well seems like your game might die too. I can bet my entire life that there's a game dev out there somewhere willing to work harder than Nikita for his wages. It is what is is. Be lazy, don't put in effort to make the game better, your player base leaves. Took them YEARS to release an extra map. Incompetence at its finest.
@@XxMrCNotexX not agreeing with the premise but have you never heard "can't beat em, join em"? I've seriously considered using esp just to check for cheaters in the lobby. I fucking hate cheaters but even I have considered the option to combat them using their own tactics since nothing else seems to be done about it.
Over the last 2 weeks I have lost a ton respect for you, but you have earned it all back and then some by walking back on these choices and this discord. I thought the discord was a bad idea to begin with and even wrote out a huge rant on your previous video (only to delete it without posting it) about how I feared something like this was going to happen...And how I feared moreso that 10's or 100's of innocent players were going to get banned before someone with clout finally caught a wrongful ban, but it happened way faster than I could have imagined. Being able to own up to your mistakes and apologize is a big W in my opinion, but I wish you had never gone down this road. I've got 15 years on you and I would have been in right here with you in your shoes back then, you clearly care about the community and the health of the game and just want EVERYTHING to be better, but this is not something YOU can fix, even with a team of people backing you up. Cheating has been around in video games for decades and will continue to evolve alongside anti-cheat, you are going to be fighting, winning and losing this Battle for as long as you want to champion it. I don't want to sound like a defeatist, this is just my personal opinion, I'm getting older and just tired of it, I can see your passion in my past self and just want to warn you that it can get to you. Looking at everything that the community has done to try and help Tarkov, and still continuing to hit a brick wall, I just don't think it's worth the extra effort anymore, hit that report button, hope for the best and move on. This is on BSG, and this is on Battleye. Everyone has the report button and everyone should continue to use it, clips help, but **** reports should not carry more weight just because there is a clip backing it up **** , the report button should actually mean and do something and BSG and Battleye should be held accountable for making that button WORK and being just as transparent as you are now.
BSG have created something incredible, but they’ve garnered so much tech debt and are now in over their heads. One little fix creates 5 new problems (see invisible bug). Their developmental flow is flawed, proven by them pushing the broken audio out the door whilst knowing it had issues. The freaking ak sound files are located in the backpack texture folder. 🤦♂️ They need to take 6 months to a year to just fully fix and work through their legacy code and try to save their amazing game.
3:36 was 100% what I needed to hear from you, way better response then some other creators. Way more perspective then even on stream yesterday, sorry for coming at you the way I did (speaking for myself) with now seeing the efforts you put in and how you also just get royaly fucked by BSG as all of us do all I can say is cheers mate, better days ahead don't you worry. Its on BSG now to act to set their priorities right
I think you're being a little short sighted with this, and I hope you and BSG can continue your work together provided that both you and BSG continue to iterate and improve the system (and your agreed upon vision for anti-cheat measures). Allow me to explain: First of all, any system (automated or not) will make mistakes. I think the common consensus right now is that Valorant Vanguard is doing the best job to keep cheaters out of a free to play game, which in itself is a great achievement. But I'm sure even Vanguard has had false bans. So I wouldn't beat myself up even if your discord indirectly caused dylhero's ban. Secondly, regardless of your status as a streamer/sherpa/community KOL/ or whatever BSG calls you, any collaboration you have with BSG will surely be conducted with an imbalance of power. To put it simply, they tell you what to do, not the other way around. It SHOULD be this way because there is a massive asymmetry of information (some argue that there's too much asymmetry in BSG's case, but that's another discussion altogether). You are not part of the development team, and therefore should not take responsibility for decisions made regarding any operating procedures. They should man up and take responsibility. You COULD say that dylhero was banned because of your work with BSG, or you could say that dylhero was banned because BSG's internal process for cheat validation/vetting is problematic. At the very least, the fact that they have no effective channel for anyone to appeal bans when they themselves are implementing a human based/data-assisted anti-cheat system is a massive problem that I'm sure they are aware of. Lastly, you tried to improve a system within a working product with hundreds of thousands of daily active players (no clue what the actual numbers are, just guessin), it's hard work. If you went into this expecting no false bans or mistakes to be made, I think that's a bit naive. Success doesn't come from geniuses with brilliant ideas, they come from ordinary people with the stamina to go the distance. Usually that stamina is passion driven, so don't let this video snuff any passion for both you and BSG. I do hope you can repair any damage this video may have done to your relationship with BSG, and hope you guys can continue to work towards improving the anti-cheat system. Experienced tarkov players are invaluable assets to them, or should be. Don't beat urself up, and stay cool in the future.
@@doubleoyimmy1572 that may very well be the case, which is why I think the posting of this video is in my opinion a little short sighted. I think all the crazy discussions and emotions proc'ed by g0ats video got to our boy. Gotta stay cool broskis. Regardless though, unless this project of Trey's got to develop over a significant period of time, I don't think it would have made much of a difference. If BSG can't find 4000 cheaters to ban using this method, they'll find another less/more problematic method to find themselves 4000 cheaters. There is no fast win either way.
Dude youre so fucking real for this. there is still hope for this game and im definitely rooting for it cuz this is my third wipe and im finally getting better at the game.
At the end of the day, you are, and have been constantly pushing for Tarkov to be a better game. And nobody can ever fault you for that. You are a driving force in the this community. And not every hit is a home run. I’d like to think that half or more of the people dog piling onto this can only complain in either direction, and it wouldn’t matter what you did or said. So fuck them. At least we tried to help.
After nearly 4k hours and 9 months as an office Sherpa I stopped playing after getting kappa last wipe. I love the game and if it had any other developer behind it I’d still be playing it, but the truth is that BSG aren’t equipped to handle what they’ve made and don’t have the ability to fix it.
Hey thanks for looking after people. The world sucks bro, but don’t lose heart in making it a better place. We gotta be the change we wanna see. 💯 God Bless.
Huge props to you Trey, we all had hopes that these would make meaningful changes, but this just further reveals that BSG as a company just don't have the infrastructure or the man power to do the due diligence that's required for something like this
I cant even begin to explain how much this NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL. You made a very good, thoughtful and productive effort to help bsg with something they have frankly been drooling over for years. And they are just too incompetent to make use of that help. They are fucking over the community, not you. People need to take their hindsight NVGs off, you are making the best choice, with the information you have, at the time you have to make the choice. I see that in the discord idea, your response to goat, and most importantly, right here. There is nothing to be criticized about that. Please continue doing PRECISELY what you are doing, cuz its great.
A lot of creators and streamers have not realised that the Tarkov community mainly consists of a lot of bright minds with a passion for this game. Trey2k is not one of those streamers, kudos to you for having integrity and opening up to us like this. The only thing I am concerned with is the lack of love heading towards BSG, we can only hope they truly have love for their own game and the community. That will be the only thing that will motivate them to truly expedite any anti-cheat measures they have planned.
the biggest joke has to be how they banned dylhero because their desync was so bad they assumed it was cheats XDDD whatever they are smoking i want too, seems to be some strong stuff :D
The server you helped make was a great idea. It reminded me of the ability to create manual reports for rainbow six siege directly on their website and provide clips. I remember in 2016-2018 the cheating problem in Siege consisted of fly hackers and teleporters instantly killing the entire team. The ability to manually report these with a clip definitely resulted in a faster time to ban. As there weren't as many people manually submitting these reports, and I assume those reports are more closely looked at because there are fewer. This server reminded me of that. If BSG had a proper system in place like you thought they had (because they said they had a system) then it could have been great. I think it could have single handedly all but eliminated the rage hacking and God mode. As it would only take ONE BLATANT clip of fly rage hacking submitted manually to result in that person/account getting banned. But without the process, like you said, innocent people may catch the ban hammer. And that only happens if BSG is falling short on their du diligence of researching and pulling logs from the accounts/servers. It's a shame it didn't work out. But you're doing the right thing. Hopefully BSG will come around and save the game. But I'm not too optimistic. They've said time and time again that Tarkov was never supposed to be this big. It was supposed to make money for Russia 2028. Which it has. And that's their passion project. It will be a single player campaign. Cheaters won't really be a thing. I think they'll keep throwing bandages on this game until they can get to work on that passion project. And once that game is out of even just in Beta; support for Tarkov will most definitely fall off significantly.
Two words: Replay System! Needs to happen to comfortably be able to report people. Please get a hold of other big streamers and push BSG to come up with a replay system ASAP.
now i am a former programmer, working in IT, BSG can fix this issue pretty easily, Ghost hit on a good fact that an anti-cheat developer had pointed out that there is indeed some files built into microsoft that bsg can utilize to cut down on a significant portion of the cheaters, also the csgo style monitoring works as well, but its not hard to develop some code to pay attention to abnormalities in player behavior that is not normal to the coding of the game. there will always be a way around shit, but damn there is so much they can do to cut down on it significantly including hardware bans once a cheater has been found out. its one thing to replace the game, its another entirely to replace the pc they play on. shit if they need help use ChatGP, im sure it can write code to help fight this shit and they don't even have to pay for it....
@@benza4827 BSG backlash can be much worse. Getting erased is not cool. I just been softban from the off discord because I was not playing along mods theory cheating is not rampant. Without being insulting at any time. If they don't like what you say, you're out. Same for streamers. BSG style.
What sucks the most about this situation is that it shows BSG/BE has learned NOTHING from the rengawr situation because this is exactly why that happened. Nothing has changed.
Complete incompetence and laughable naivety without the tools to even justify why you would think any progress was being made. This feels lime a jump ship rather than a genuine apology. Especially when your first reaction to Goat’s video was that it was bad because it was advertising cheats when you admit that there was a complete lack of transparency from this failed project. Also, saying you saw the community’s fears that the community would feel left out from this project tells me you simply ignored it. Moving forward, if BSG decides to make the necessary changes in the right direction, please stay far away from it. Enough damage has been done.
There is a big difference in saying there are a lot of cheaters and proving to others there are a lot of cheaters. Someone saying there are cheaters has the same weight as someone else saying they were never killed by cheaters. It does zero to help the community. Someone showing proof of how many cheaters there are, how big and evolved the cheating community is does a f tonne to open the eyes of anyone watching. That video was never about confirming what one person knew through personal experience. I'm glad you realized that now.
I think the worst thing BSG can do is remain silent. With everything that is going on, the community ONLY ASSUMES the worst. If they aren’t more transparent, this game will lose everything
Thank you for doing this Trey, I for one appreciate the hit you may be potentially taking from BSG. This has needed to be addressed for SO long. Like yourself, this game has kinda been my life for the last 3 years, and like many I've always suspected that more people are cheating than we ever thought, but after the wiggle video, I can't lie that it just left me feeling completely disillusioned with both BSG and the game. I now look at engagements entirely differently, something HAS to be done now otherwise there is going to be an inevitable mass exodus and I'd hate to see that happen as this game has so much potential still. Make or break time now. I'm way behind you and all the other content creators pushing this Trey. Godspeed brother, and thank you again 👊
You quickly touched on the sad reality of all this news.. I’ve not been a committed EFT player in the past, but instead jump on a wipe mid through, maybe a few hours here and there. The knowledge I have now of the rampant cheater group dissuades me from ever touching it again. And a great game it was.
“I don’t think g0at had bad intentions…” You singled him out on Twitter and called him a clout chaser then deleted the tweet after getting flamed. Super happy you’re taking accountability on the discord issue but cmon man
Hey @trey24k Thanks for the intent behind your movement, it gave those of us who are playing the game legit some kind of hope that something can come from this. The people who download cheats, nor the Dev team should get any kind of "pass". Both parties are doing the wrong thing and I hope that sooner or later they will implement a better solution to the cheating. How ever those who cheat, will always be stuck in the San Adrea's cheat code mentality. Anyways thank you for trying something, thank you for your hard work, and thank you for the update!
As a person who has be falsely banned twice now (gotten account back both times) it feels helpless and that no one is going to help (no one really can). Now that anyone can be banned for outplaying people at times or a bug I feel that if I go into raid and kill the wrong person at the wrong time that's it account gone forever. Honestly if I get false banned again I'm not even going to bother to appeal if BSG is just deciding off of clips, put 3k hours in my EOD account over 2+ years I think I've got my moneys worth at that point.
One thing to keep in mind about DillHero is his stats are top 1%. Like, his kd is a cheater kd because hes so good so BSG probably assumed the report to be accurate because of that.
We are all with you Trey. Thats amazing what you did and we all believed and still believe that you did your best. We all do mistakes as you said, you wanted this for the community. The crowd is with you man🤜🤛💪
Being a hacker myself it's super clear when you see another hacker. Why not just start turning hack users against themselves. If you send in a clip like a wall bang wiggle or how some players have a k/d in the 20s you get a small reward like 100 rounds of gucci ammo.
Imagine being in 2023 and not understanding the fact.. you can just go search the term in a search engine, why is every tarkov content creator, so surprised at that fact it's so easy to download or access stuff you shouldn't/, like we didn't already know? honestly gotta be under a rock to not fathom that.
I'm one guy. I'm not going to play anymore since I have time for 15-20 raids max a week and over half of them have cheaters taking my potential loot, or just straight up doinking me.
People can’t find an outlet for their anger , so they turn to each other, wither they are cheating or not, they just need to someone to be banned. It is almost like... old Russia...
i do agree with this 100% ive had the same happen to others i know with the RMT bans and i ban ive got my self with this wave BSG has banned 2 players i know for giving gear back mutiple times and for me banning a player who has played 5 wipes for this wipe to be banned for killing players in labs and running into cheaters left and right hopefully BSG will start doing some new things cause at this point it seems they dont care
1 year ago I upgraded to EOD, 3 days later I was banned for cheating. I had never ran anything ever . Made a ticket and got a big **** you lmao . Basically told nothing.. Im still mad till this day honestly. what a shame
Well this was the last straw on the pile for me. This tells me pretty much everything I need to know about their stance on dealing with cheaters. I am super disappointed and now after over 6 years of tarkov, I am just uninstalling for good.
The problem in my opinion is that bsg has financial benefit of not improving their anticheat that's the only reason in my head that they won't improve the situation...
The further into development Tarkov goes just makes it clearer that BSG is a small indie dev that is incapable developing a game as complex as Tarkov. Kinda losing hope that we will ever see Tarkov in a state with decent audio, performance, balance and a heavily reduced amount of cheaters.
I dont know why anyone thinks its even sustainable for a company like BSG to dedicate staff to manually review suspected cheating instances on an ongoing basis. THE ONLY WAY to fix this, is to fix the game, and fix the anti-cheat
Perhaps AI will play a role in identifying cheaters in the future. I can't understand why players aren't banned when their stats should show an atypical ability to win encounters or obvious vectoring based on other players "hidden" locations. I just watched a video recently where a youtuber loaded ESP just to see who was actively cheating and found groups of cheaters as well as a "wiggle" that they use to identify each other which can only be noticed by another cheater.
Something I wanted to throw in is the fact that nobody involved with the server got feedback on any bans bsg had conducted individually… Our only job was to get rid of the useless clips and filter down to clips that were suspicious, not make ANY final decisions or call anyone a cheater in the first place. I know that is the reason many of you feared the Discord, and I shrugged off these concerns because I was so sure this was NOT the case. Until the truth became clear…
Maybe next time don't only involve your friends to mod that are extremely biased
we actually reported 1 or 2 cheater with video and voip on video and we got response the guy was not cheating,so dunno how you think the discord is actually going good
We told you it was a nothing burger and you were POSITIVE it was a great idea. Then g0at made a great video and you called him a clout chaser. Now that you and Axel have held a galactic amount of L’s you’re thankful to g0at. Clown armband gang 🤡
@@KurimeYT you are missing the point buddy bsg is suppossed to check if these sus clips that could also be desync or whatever are actual cheaters not just ban them.
Will the people banned with your "help" will be unbanned or have ability to appeal it?
Turns out we were all right about being concerned about it.
Can we all just finally agree that BSG is shitting on everyone? Finnnnallly? As a group? Together?
It's insane to me that it's only been two weeks and they're already shut down. So many fucking people were shouting from the rooftops that this was a stupid witch hunt discord.
treys willing to accept it now that he got ratio'd to death. dude is on full damage control.
within 24 hours he went from being a bsg shill to giving them the finger. these hoes aint loyal.
@@AustinWigley This video is just damage control after all the shit that went down on Twitter and it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. It's putting all of the blame on BSG, which, fair enough, they deserve a lot of the blame, but does nothing to excuse the behavior on Twitter or against G0at.
Trey making a TikTok showcasing the invisible bug/hack, whatever you wanna call it, is fine but when G0at makes a video showcasing cheats and how deep the cheating problem runs, it's not fine? Utter clownery.
@@AustinWigley who the hell elected these guys to be the "leaders" anyways? tarkov is truly the wild west. no authority or oversight. just a big shit show full of cheaters and bsg wont do nothing about it because they make alot of money from the cheaters.
@@AustinWigley I mean, the essence of the problem is that BSG is doing manual bans based on statistics and clips. This is not a system that can ever guarantee innocents will not be banned, and that is where I think it is a bit silly that these content creators didn't realize this discord would not solve that problem. Additionally, if you want to get unbanned because your ban was unfair, good fucking luck lol.
Thank you for manning up and admitting fault in the best way possible. You were idealistic and lets be honest some of us hoped you were right. The truth is Nikita wants it to appear like they are dealing with cheaters because its easier to look like you are trying then to actually try.
#60%
Rats jumping ship after sinking it is manning up??,, o 2023 where have the sigmas gone?
@@dabong420 SCENARIO: youve made a mistake. Youve expressed an opinion to your family for example and now regret what you said. According to you: what is "manning up" in this scenario ? Is it always "jumping ship" if you change your opinion after youve expressed it, due to new info, or simply personal growth ? Please elaborate. Or rather: please feel dumb trying
@@dabong420 A yes. The "real men" never admit fault; why "man up" and admit a mistake, something that actually requires courage and setting aside your ego instead of just running away from it by doubling down? You have a lot of growing up to do, buddy.
@@H4FJ come in here spitting facts
Trey :"The idea of this discord was never to determine if a player was cheating and send them off to BSG to get banned, but rather filter down information to assist them in cracking down on cheaters."
Rengawr: "I'm gonna get this guy banned" x20
Lmao his original video is called Tarkovs New Anticheat. It was 100% intended to do that.
Well it's true, that was never the intended idea of the discord server, Rengawr was the perfect example of how irresponsible that system could be in the wrong hands
@@devanterandle1369 you dont say?!?! giving streamers a badge and the authority to get people banned is irresponsible??!?!?
NOOOOOO. streamers like trey are angels and only have OUR best interest at heart. him and his goons totally not gonna get a power trip and cause damage to the community.
@@Teddy-se8qb lmfaooooo his GOONS??! y'all are so fucking dramatic in this comment section, it's like a bunch of Karen ass women shouting random thoughtless insults at a situation they would do NO better in.
@@devanterandle1369 dude told rengawr to hold my beer and you think thats ok?
You and the community gave BSG the opportunity to really get on board with things and it had the potential to shake things up and get the ball moving. But they fucked up and it's sad that the community seems to care more about the health of the game then BSG. Might just be my last wipe
#60%
this is about the dumbest idea for combating hackers anyways. content creators being the judge and jury on peoples accounts. wtf is that about?
how about bsg just invest into a better anti cheat? that will get rid of a good chunk of the 60%.
There is a war going on
@@Teddy-se8qb nah the CSGO overwatch system works but it's impossible to have it in Tarkov. The main reasons are because there is currently no demo recoding system in game, they are using battleye and not vac which has the vacnet ai doing reviews of demos and live games to ban people. Bsg doing any improvements to the anti cheat is likely never gonna happen or it's gonna be a half-assed fix that doesn't do anything like their supposed radar fix. I still don't understand how flying cheats and item teleportation isn't a insta ban/ kick from the game when it's the easiest thing to detect.
@@Teddy-se8qb did you even watch the video about it or this video on the first place? He said that no (big) streamers were involved and it is purely volunteers effort. The fault is entirely on bsg.
Thank you for being transparent and risking your career for doing what's right. Fear not, your good deed will never be in vain. Good job brother!
he never risked his career looooool.
Simp bots going wild
this is the whole point.. he was not transparent, he got his shit kicked in and is apologizing now because another streamer got banned.
jfc he screwed up and you're thanking him? Oh so brave jfc
@@foxfire1112 Well he did say that he believed/had faith that he was making a positive difference for the game and community. I'm sure that there was some sort of privacy agreement between BSG and participants in that Discord. He stated that he felt guilty for being naíve to the situation and just wants things to be right for the people who love this game. Maybe it wasn't immediate transparency, but if he believed what he was doing was helping, how was he to be transparent about things of this nature? He realized the way things are progressing, realized how little BSG cares, and opened up about the current state of the situation that is meant to be kept relatively "under the radar".
So yeah, I'm thankful to Trey as well. At least he came out with the information, likely at the cost of some sort of privacy agreement that could affect his standing with BSG, Tarkov, and some of his viewership. This is the way I see it, anyhow.
It is unreal how much power bsg gives to ecelebs.
YEA! MYAN!!! like they will totally make him like chief of celebs now. he had ultimate veto authority over all pleberai. prepare for ur life to suck lozl!!! WORSHIP UR MASTERS!!! HAHAHAH SO EDGY WE ARE .. DOWN WITH BSG!! WE MUST HACK NOW IT IS OUR DESTINY
its unreal how hes trying to shit on bsg to bandwagon. just yesterday he was shilling for them.
@@Teddy-se8qb ... It's unreal how oblivious and disconnected from reality people like you are.
@@Teddy-se8qb did you even watch the video lmao
@@Teddy-se8qb He's a kid with little life experience and he's for some reason handed some false power reigns in the community.
Really happy to see you able to come out and admit you were wrong about things, that takes a lot sometimes. Especially on a platform so big. Goat really did have the best intentions and it’s nice to see more big names understand that. Always love your videos man, and honestly BSG needs to respect you as much as you have them. They’re capable of changing things and listening to these issues without taking it personally. They’re a game dev company. Their players deserve that same respect, considering we paid money to be subject to these issues. I hope they come out of this with solutions, and not excuses or moving of goalposts.
We just want a game that feels fair. If that means a fucking engine overhaul to update unity then fuck it. I’m willing to wait to enjoy the game fully.
trey blames goat for causing a cheater problem. within 24 hours trey and his goons is directly responsible for getting possibly thousands of players banned.
whos the problem? and who the fuck gave these cucks the authority to fuck over thousands of people?
BSG needs new backend devs overhaul and not the unity engine itself.
LOL “job” bro why is everyone shocked about hackers any good game is gonna have hackers and look how this fool talks about this situation as if he’s been hired and left his job 😂hahahahah clowns to whoever feels this entitled
@@drippyblvk wtf are you even talking about lol
I'm a game developer that has worked on games with cheating problems before. The unfortunate truth is that all you're really doing by having that community server, is making BSG more money. Every time a cheater is banned, they go buy another account. BSG has incentive to ban cheaters, but not to make anti-cheat for their game. I know this because I've seen it before, you'd be surprised how many cheats could be patched by big developers if they wanted to. While banning cheaters faster (even through manual systems) does reduce the amount of cheaters you'd see in games, it won't solve the 60+% of cheaters that toggle esp in raid. A replay system won't even fix it either. What you really need is a better anti-cheat, which targets the cheat developers rather than the cheaters. If you take them out, or at least delay them, it'll have the same effect on everyone who uses their software.
In short, the community discord server is nice, but wouldn't solve the cheating problem in Tarkov.
Dev here too, a replay/overwatch system like CSGO definitely would help. I can clearly tell if somebody is using ESP based on where they’re looking and what they’re checking. For example if they don’t clear any angles and push out onto site looking exactly where the opponent is you know they have ESP. Also taking out cheat developers is like taking out drug dealers, another one will always come along. It’s no good focusing attention like this as it’s a losing battle just like the war on drugs.
We know, but BSG wont update Unity or implement vanguard anti cheat..
The discord goal was to filter the names of suspicious people so that BSG could examine their accounts and the raids in which clips happened but the issue comes from BSG who had nothing to do with it and who manually banned all players whose clips were suspect just to brag about a big wave of bans of cheaters, you're not responsible for their stupidity
I reported a guy that seemed to have been blatantly cheating. Even trey said that he is in the discord. After adding him tho i had a long convo with him and he seemed very confused and explained to me that it was desync. I doubt a cheater would go as far as texting with me for an hour. I really believe that he is not cheating now and it would be very unfair to have him banned for a good play + desync. Btw is name wasnt on the ban list. I can send you the clip if you want
@@prymexxxx It's really hard to say whether or not someone is cheating in this game, and trust you me; a lot of cheaters will go as far as to chat with you for an hour to prove you otherwise, BUT at the same time, I was falsely banned in CSGO by their so called Overwatch system last year and most people assume that I cheated and will cheat again even though that's not the case. It's been 212 days and I'm still banned even after having several people vouch for me, make social media posts, and try to have valve look into it, I even had a chat with Sparkles (known csgo youtuber), but in the end, no one has any "proof" except for the game developers and there's not much that can be done. For all you know I could be making this up, or try to defend cheaters or whatever, there's no way of knowing except for the good ol' "trust me bro". False bans sure do suck and I hope your guy doesn't get banned if he was in fact not cheating, but regardless that's not on you and you shouldn't feel bad about it. We have no choice but to trust that the developers use all of their resources and apply bans fairly
@@SorrowAngel97 Yeah I just dont trust bsg to do a fair look at the account. Also considering how expensive the eod version is it would be horrible to get him banned
I called you out and I was against the idea from the start, mostly due to something like this likely happening from BSG's side at some point. However, I'm really glad you realized it in time, reacted promptly and ended the relationship. Let's hope they can get their crew straight and back on the right path, because this is a giant dumpster fire right now.
Its highly unlikely that BSG does anything to get the community back. They've made all the money that they can, theres no proverbial carrot for the company. Cheaters make them more money by buying new accounts. They already have our money, what more can we give them?
@@richardferrell4362 We can just hope they love their game as much as we do. I'm very glad the cat is out of the bag finally, because now we will get a quick answer to where their priorities lie in the coming weeks.
@richard ferrell,@ karambamamba - you guys sum it up perfectly.
I'm thankful you can recognize your mistake, and we are thankful for your attempt at saving the game we all love. BSG has to make changes. They have virtually zero community support atm (outside of major streamers who dont have the same integrity as yourself by owning up to this) and they are losing the .01% of those that do support them. I haven't dumped 1000's of hours into this game to let shitty devs ruin it lol. It is almost seeming to me that they're slowly killing the game and scooping up all the money they can before it falls apart
#60%
This wasn't just a mistake. It was a brain dead mistake and alot of people were saying it but Trey kept defending it like the bsg shill and weasel he is.
Was banned because of this discord and the leniency of account checking - my accounts stats are not high, lvl 36 - asmonbaldo, you can see my name in the list, alpha EOD account, I killed a player on lighthouse and quite literally a minute after, I died, game closed and banned(so either I killed a streamer or I was manually reviewed after the kill?). Part of me wants to complain for my account back but I think at this point there's not much point coming back to play anyway
Did u get ur account back?
I can speak for a lot of casual players when I say we are fed up, and not only that not playing or rarely playing anymore. If I as a casual player can feel the impact of cheaters by playing only 10 hours a week, that just proves what a shitty state this game is in right now.
i highly doubt u feel the affect of cheaters from 10 hours a week but if u do somehow that's incredibly unlucky.
doubt
@@jackwood1142 When 60%+ of lobbies have cheaters in, of course even someone that only plays 10 hours a week encounters them lol
@@jackwood1142 3 in 5 games have cheaters, some maps have multiple cheaters, if you like pvp like i do you die in some sus ways very often, they should give the player a kill cam after you left the raid, this wipe i often report players, you die without seeing the enemy (even tho you know where he is), it's possible that is just a unreal dsync all over the game or they kill you in a fraction of a second with aimbot where the game didn't even register the peek
I've only got like 70 hours in the game and i have seen and been killed by a bunch of cheaters Shoreline is the map I 've ran into them the most on. My 5 man squad was killed by 1 near the gas station 2 of us got droped. we then ran back into the woods then 1 of us got droped from weather tower same guy, we then ran to the brick building next to the damn. I then was killed from the other side of the river so the guy was flying I think.
The plot thickens, you tried your best and that alone should be commended. I just wonder how much we dont know about the problem. It feels like the rabbit hole will never end. You a true Tarkov OG.
hardly an OG. Many, many players came before.
@@AustinMarti Ok. What exactly is the point of your comment?
@@jefe811 Go ahead and read it, then respond.
I stopped playing in 2020 because of cheaters. I came back this wipe for street. Literally nothing has changed. Nothing has changed besides you can report people. Same exact wall hacks 3 years later. The cheaters are flourishing
@@AustinMarti Braindead lmfao
You weren't naive. They just straight up lied to you after making an agreement with you. You acted out of trust and they violated that.
A million of people told him this exact thing was going to happen. He was very naive
Damn that sucks. I hope you aren't beating yourself up too hard about this. It's a shame BSG doesn't seem to be taking any of this seriously. You tried your best.
Bro why would they care why would they ban money printing machine cheaters are printing money for them bro 4000 accounts = $160000 minimum why would they stop that would you??
Cos of these sh.. some of em lost actual money on copy... Crazy time
I mean, he may have caused dozens or even hundreds of false bans. He should absolutely feel bad about that.
OH POOR TREY. OH NO. WHAT WILL HE DO???? shut up normie. "you tried your best" by making a secred vigilante discord. hypocritical losers
its never easy to apologise , but here you are. thanks and appreciated.
Aged like Milk, now we know the crossroad direction and the problem is worse than ever.
Thankfully i quit a long time ago.
Damn, respect for filling us with info
With access to log data, I'm pretty certain an AI could be effectively trained to quickly flag suspicious activity. It would become very difficult to evade this kind of measure when lines of sight and audio queues are known by the AI.
Yeah this AI would need a lot of training through manual reviews but after some time I'm sure it would have 99,99% accuracy
AI player behaviour anticheats will be the future, there is no way anticheats can keep up with the cheats technically, but the players using them will always act in a more uniform way than players without. training something to identify this is the future
@@Pawuch You're right and that's where something like the discord group would have been really useful, sadly it looks like the effort and extra opportunities it produced weren't taken advantage of in any meaningful way at all, even without advanced tech being involved !
"I take full responsibilty for trusting them" is a wild thing to have to say about the people that are supposed to be developing and pushing progress within this game
LOLOL he takes full responsibility bro
Streamers do not work for BSG. Streamers are not devs. I think its time streamers stop trying to be a part of something that's not helping in return. I honestly get tired of streamers trying so fucking hard to make this game fun and exciting like it once was but the reality is, its not you're game to change. They have not listened for years and they don't plan on it now. It's honestly exasperating.
This.
Takes a man to admit when he's wrong, good on you dude.
#60%
He only admitted to it because he was “forced “. He knew he had to get ahead of the cheater review discord info that came out. He lied to his community, his supporters, and then tries to act like he’s sorry. He’s only sorry his lies came to light
He didn’t admit that googling cheats wasn’t something we learned to do from goats video.
What a L TAKE
@@adamwooten6771 dont be an instigator. it seems like you can't admit to your own wrongdoings. im sure you've fucked up before but with good intentions. the difference between you and a real man is you blame everyone but yourself and trust me man one day you'll learn that blaming everyone but yourself will lead to a life of loneliness. Learn that people make mistakes and as long as the intention was good, apologizing and learning from it is the best path you can take. I feel bad for anyone you've possibly been in a relationship with lmfao
Bro, this is the 1st wipe ive really taken seriously.
I've put a lot into it as a solo player and thought i was making wrong moves and not understanding basic mechanic's after being so incredibly cautious and dying in such poor fashion.
After seeing the hacks available, I see how i was wronged for maybe 20 to 50% of the time, it may not have been my fualt.
Maybe more......
The question as to how much is the real struggle.
I love this game and to see current events hurts me plenty as i dont have much spare time, and learning this game is what ive done with it.
To know i was possibly being fooled and maybe i just sucked is'nt the struggle for reward i decided to strive for with my time.
But all good things get attacked and i still have faith for the greatest game punish/reward game ive ever played.
Souls borne 4 life....
Equality.
Thanks for the vid buddy.
We don't always see eye to eye on issues with the game but damn I love that you made this video. I appreciate everything you've done for this community and hopefully we can make some real change eventually.
I started seeing these compounding issues almost 3 years ago and sure I'm not a streamer or anything special but when I used to point things out to friends and people I would play with I was called insane and an attention seeker for just voicing concerns over issues that were rapidly popping up. From bsg seeming to care less and less with each year, the major bugs just being tossed aside because they seemingly don't want to work on them, the test servers only being used to test the most minor of things and to such a miniscule amount to where the testing is basically for nothing, and the rampant issue with cheaters growing by the year to where I don't think I've experienced a single day when I was playing this wipe where I wasn't killed through a wall, floor, or any other concealment. Right now this once phenomenal game with a unique vision is becoming an ever growing regret as I feel all those hours I've sank into the game has been just to watch it die a pathetic death.
ETS is so pointless it’s actually mind boggling! A beta having a test server is one thing but the fact that virtually nothing is actually tested on there makes even less sense.
I am in the exact same situation with the exact same amount of time spent in game and I simply cannot agree more with you. The silence the devs are treating us with is simply insulting. Imagine a game in BETA where the devs don't care about people's suggestions and opinions. Hell...where's the beta testing even at lmfao... When I first picked up this game I immediately felt this has so much potential and it can be SUCH A GREAT GAME maybe even compete with bigger games like GTA, CSGO, Dota 2 etc. IT HAS THAT POTENTIAL...but BSG simply refuses to do anything and I can imagine nikita staying there on his couch eating popcorn and watching the community light fires in despair...I don't want this to have the same fate as DayZ...
What a monumentally broken game and a genuine example of a developer ruining their community
"I know that is the reason many of you feared the Discord, and I shrugged off these concerns"
it may be late but glad you're able to see the other side of the conversation now
The 180 done by this guy in the last week or so has been hilarious once faced by backlash.
Kinda sad honestly
Respect, takes a man to admit when he’s wrong. Good on you
Doesnt matter, if he got a couple dozen accounts banned falsely that wont be recovered who cares if he apologizes?
This is why streamers having this much influence in a game is a bad idea, ridiculous.
funny how hes trying to gain some brownie points after his whole goat situation
@@Teddy-se8qb I didn't see any of his stuff on the g0at thing, I stopped watching Trey since all the ridiculous whining with the whole kev situation.
@@Whathec well he pretty much got ratio'd to death in the last 24 hours. because he was clearly sucking bsg off. now he turns on bsg and says they are being shady.
all this within a 24 hour span.
this young man has alot to learn.
@@Whathec he accused a youtuber named goat for killing tarkov. all because he exposed to the masses how bad cheating is in the game.
it is sad the way BSG handles these things
Tarkov is another money grab.
BSG is a Big indy corp at this point. Money talks, thats all and it sucks. You tried your best Trey, massive respect.
What you expect from russian orcs?
Man... big props to you for trying and admitting to the failure. It seems more and more that BSG just drops the ball at every step. The community shouldn't be dealing with cheaters, BSG needs to.
Damn Trey, this video is awesome compared to your last one man. Thank you for being upfront and just being a man about it in general. I hope i can play this game soon with no cheaters haha
Like you said 'this has been your LIFE for three years' to the casuals its been our weekends here and there. I think everyone appreciates the transparency, and the addition of self awareness is helpful, thank you for the video man :)
It sounds like BSG was so focused on lowering the total amount of potential cheaters that a few innocent players were caught in the crossfire. :/
That whole idea was not the best from the beginning: how could you be sure if suspect is cheating without his POV in the game with so much desync?
The goal was to filter the names of suspicious people so that BSG could examine their accounts and the raids in which clips happened.
The issue comes from BSG who had nothing to do with it and who manually banned all players whose clips were suspect just to brag about a big wave of bans of cheaters
Something I learned as a young kid that my mother always told me. The truth will always come out.
Things often do not work out in life as expected, but your intentions were right. You may be disappointed but do not be to hard on yourself. To Everybody: Always remember that it is the cheaters in the first place who are responsible for any of this shit we as a Tarkov community are going through. These guys are just pathetic and should learn to reflect and better themselves accordingly.
Only persons at fault are the people working at BSG not doing anything about it. If the option for players to CHEAT is out there and nothing is done about it, what do you think the majority are gonna do after being hacked on numerous times? Either quit or download cheats. So whose fault is it? Last time I checked none of us are on the dev team.
Idk man. I expected exacly that to happen.
@@SexehPvP SO the logic im hearing is, just cause another person does it, I should? The people with that mentality are wrong. Just cause another Failure does it, does not mean I have to follow in their foots steps. People still think this is GTA San Adrea's days where their cheats dont effect anyone. Yes the Dev teams needs to make a better effort towards this endeavor, and I am far from giving them a free pass, but the losers who download cheats dont get one either.
@@XxMrCNotexX The problem is having the option to cheat in the first place. It should not be an option. Or at least to the best of their abilities. There's literally 10+ cheats that have been undetected for years. Not months, not a wipe, years. Most will never be banned using undetected cheats. Nikita's excuse is "It's too much work" to overhaul the entire system. Well seems like your game might die too. I can bet my entire life that there's a game dev out there somewhere willing to work harder than Nikita for his wages. It is what is is. Be lazy, don't put in effort to make the game better, your player base leaves. Took them YEARS to release an extra map. Incompetence at its finest.
@@XxMrCNotexX not agreeing with the premise but have you never heard "can't beat em, join em"? I've seriously considered using esp just to check for cheaters in the lobby. I fucking hate cheaters but even I have considered the option to combat them using their own tactics since nothing else seems to be done about it.
Over the last 2 weeks I have lost a ton respect for you, but you have earned it all back and then some by walking back on these choices and this discord.
I thought the discord was a bad idea to begin with and even wrote out a huge rant on your previous video (only to delete it without posting it) about how I feared something like this was going to happen...And how I feared moreso that 10's or 100's of innocent players were going to get banned before someone with clout finally caught a wrongful ban, but it happened way faster than I could have imagined.
Being able to own up to your mistakes and apologize is a big W in my opinion, but I wish you had never gone down this road. I've got 15 years on you and I would have been in right here with you in your shoes back then, you clearly care about the community and the health of the game and just want EVERYTHING to be better, but this is not something YOU can fix, even with a team of people backing you up.
Cheating has been around in video games for decades and will continue to evolve alongside anti-cheat, you are going to be fighting, winning and losing this Battle for as long as you want to champion it. I don't want to sound like a defeatist, this is just my personal opinion, I'm getting older and just tired of it, I can see your passion in my past self and just want to warn you that it can get to you. Looking at everything that the community has done to try and help Tarkov, and still continuing to hit a brick wall, I just don't think it's worth the extra effort anymore, hit that report button, hope for the best and move on.
This is on BSG, and this is on Battleye. Everyone has the report button and everyone should continue to use it, clips help, but **** reports should not carry more weight just because there is a clip backing it up **** , the report button should actually mean and do something and BSG and Battleye should be held accountable for making that button WORK and being just as transparent as you are now.
You tried your best to improve the community and no one can blame you for that, hopefully BSG will start doing their part
BSG have created something incredible, but they’ve garnered so much tech debt and are now in over their heads. One little fix creates 5 new problems (see invisible bug). Their developmental flow is flawed, proven by them pushing the broken audio out the door whilst knowing it had issues. The freaking ak sound files are located in the backpack texture folder. 🤦♂️
They need to take 6 months to a year to just fully fix and work through their legacy code and try to save their amazing game.
3:36 was 100% what I needed to hear from you, way better response then some other creators. Way more perspective then even on stream yesterday, sorry for coming at you the way I did (speaking for myself) with now seeing the efforts you put in and how you also just get royaly fucked by BSG as all of us do all I can say is cheers mate, better days ahead don't you worry. Its on BSG now to act to set their priorities right
I think you're being a little short sighted with this, and I hope you and BSG can continue your work together provided that both you and BSG continue to iterate and improve the system (and your agreed upon vision for anti-cheat measures).
Allow me to explain:
First of all, any system (automated or not) will make mistakes. I think the common consensus right now is that Valorant Vanguard is doing the best job to keep cheaters out of a free to play game, which in itself is a great achievement. But I'm sure even Vanguard has had false bans. So I wouldn't beat myself up even if your discord indirectly caused dylhero's ban.
Secondly, regardless of your status as a streamer/sherpa/community KOL/ or whatever BSG calls you, any collaboration you have with BSG will surely be conducted with an imbalance of power. To put it simply, they tell you what to do, not the other way around. It SHOULD be this way because there is a massive asymmetry of information (some argue that there's too much asymmetry in BSG's case, but that's another discussion altogether). You are not part of the development team, and therefore should not take responsibility for decisions made regarding any operating procedures. They should man up and take responsibility. You COULD say that dylhero was banned because of your work with BSG, or you could say that dylhero was banned because BSG's internal process for cheat validation/vetting is problematic. At the very least, the fact that they have no effective channel for anyone to appeal bans when they themselves are implementing a human based/data-assisted anti-cheat system is a massive problem that I'm sure they are aware of.
Lastly, you tried to improve a system within a working product with hundreds of thousands of daily active players (no clue what the actual numbers are, just guessin), it's hard work. If you went into this expecting no false bans or mistakes to be made, I think that's a bit naive. Success doesn't come from geniuses with brilliant ideas, they come from ordinary people with the stamina to go the distance. Usually that stamina is passion driven, so don't let this video snuff any passion for both you and BSG.
I do hope you can repair any damage this video may have done to your relationship with BSG, and hope you guys can continue to work towards improving the anti-cheat system. Experienced tarkov players are invaluable assets to them, or should be.
Don't beat urself up, and stay cool in the future.
I think he fucked his chances of that. Can't give out private info
@@doubleoyimmy1572 that may very well be the case, which is why I think the posting of this video is in my opinion a little short sighted. I think all the crazy discussions and emotions proc'ed by g0ats video got to our boy. Gotta stay cool broskis. Regardless though, unless this project of Trey's got to develop over a significant period of time, I don't think it would have made much of a difference. If BSG can't find 4000 cheaters to ban using this method, they'll find another less/more problematic method to find themselves 4000 cheaters. There is no fast win either way.
@@rayjin2010 Agree with you 100%
Dude youre so fucking real for this. there is still hope for this game and im definitely rooting for it cuz this is my third wipe and im finally getting better at the game.
At the end of the day, you are, and have been constantly pushing for Tarkov to be a better game. And nobody can ever fault you for that. You are a driving force in the this community.
And not every hit is a home run. I’d like to think that half or more of the people dog piling onto this can only complain in either direction, and it wouldn’t matter what you did or said. So fuck them.
At least we tried to help.
After nearly 4k hours and 9 months as an office Sherpa I stopped playing after getting kappa last wipe. I love the game and if it had any other developer behind it I’d still be playing it, but the truth is that BSG aren’t equipped to handle what they’ve made and don’t have the ability to fix it.
Hey thanks for looking after people. The world sucks bro, but don’t lose heart in making it a better place. We gotta be the change we wanna see. 💯 God Bless.
@Elef we all make mistakes. Just pixels.
Huge props to you Trey, we all had hopes that these would make meaningful changes, but this just further reveals that BSG as a company just don't have the infrastructure or the man power to do the due diligence that's required for something like this
I cant even begin to explain how much this NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL. You made a very good, thoughtful and productive effort to help bsg with something they have frankly been drooling over for years. And they are just too incompetent to make use of that help. They are fucking over the community, not you. People need to take their hindsight NVGs off, you are making the best choice, with the information you have, at the time you have to make the choice. I see that in the discord idea, your response to goat, and most importantly, right here. There is nothing to be criticized about that. Please continue doing PRECISELY what you are doing, cuz its great.
He's just saving his brand he didn't expect to get so much backlash it shows how little he's matured
Yet everyone falls for it, which is sad.
A lot of creators and streamers have not realised that the Tarkov community mainly consists of a lot of bright minds with a passion for this game.
Trey2k is not one of those streamers, kudos to you for having integrity and opening up to us like this.
The only thing I am concerned with is the lack of love heading towards BSG, we can only hope they truly have love for their own game and the community. That will be the only thing that will motivate them to truly expedite any anti-cheat measures they have planned.
Innocent people being banned.
Cheaters rage hacking for years without a ban.
This is Tarkov.
the biggest joke has to be how they banned dylhero because their desync was so bad they assumed it was cheats XDDD
whatever they are smoking i want too, seems to be some strong stuff :D
The server you helped make was a great idea. It reminded me of the ability to create manual reports for rainbow six siege directly on their website and provide clips. I remember in 2016-2018 the cheating problem in Siege consisted of fly hackers and teleporters instantly killing the entire team.
The ability to manually report these with a clip definitely resulted in a faster time to ban. As there weren't as many people manually submitting these reports, and I assume those reports are more closely looked at because there are fewer.
This server reminded me of that. If BSG had a proper system in place like you thought they had (because they said they had a system) then it could have been great.
I think it could have single handedly all but eliminated the rage hacking and God mode. As it would only take ONE BLATANT clip of fly rage hacking submitted manually to result in that person/account getting banned.
But without the process, like you said, innocent people may catch the ban hammer. And that only happens if BSG is falling short on their du diligence of researching and pulling logs from the accounts/servers.
It's a shame it didn't work out. But you're doing the right thing. Hopefully BSG will come around and save the game. But I'm not too optimistic. They've said time and time again that Tarkov was never supposed to be this big. It was supposed to make money for Russia 2028. Which it has. And that's their passion project. It will be a single player campaign. Cheaters won't really be a thing. I think they'll keep throwing bandages on this game until they can get to work on that passion project. And once that game is out of even just in Beta; support for Tarkov will most definitely fall off significantly.
Bro took the video down and everything LMAO
Two words: Replay System!
Needs to happen to comfortably be able to report people. Please get a hold of other big streamers and push BSG to come up with a replay system ASAP.
I agree end of raid replay system will bring trust back, anticheat system will help remove cheaters. Both are required
now i am a former programmer, working in IT, BSG can fix this issue pretty easily, Ghost hit on a good fact that an anti-cheat developer had pointed out that there is indeed some files built into microsoft that bsg can utilize to cut down on a significant portion of the cheaters, also the csgo style monitoring works as well, but its not hard to develop some code to pay attention to abnormalities in player behavior that is not normal to the coding of the game. there will always be a way around shit, but damn there is so much they can do to cut down on it significantly including hardware bans once a cheater has been found out. its one thing to replace the game, its another entirely to replace the pc they play on. shit if they need help use ChatGP, im sure it can write code to help fight this shit and they don't even have to pay for it....
You chose the players side, no matter the cost. Respect to you.
Yes, after insane backlash. Woo wee.
@@benza4827 BSG backlash can be much worse. Getting erased is not cool. I just been softban from the off discord because I was not playing along mods theory cheating is not rampant. Without being insulting at any time. If they don't like what you say, you're out. Same for streamers. BSG style.
Man, thank you for the re-take. I'm glad you were able to see it from a non-streamer perspective. Seriously, thank you!
Thanks for keepin it real. I had high hopes for you/the server but BSG fumbles every time...
What sucks the most about this situation is that it shows BSG/BE has learned NOTHING from the rengawr situation because this is exactly why that happened. Nothing has changed.
Complete incompetence and laughable naivety without the tools to even justify why you would think any progress was being made. This feels lime a jump ship rather than a genuine apology.
Especially when your first reaction to Goat’s video was that it was bad because it was advertising cheats when you admit that there was a complete lack of transparency from this failed project. Also, saying you saw the community’s fears that the community would feel left out from this project tells me you simply ignored it.
Moving forward, if BSG decides to make the necessary changes in the right direction, please stay far away from it. Enough damage has been done.
There is a big difference in saying there are a lot of cheaters and proving to others there are a lot of cheaters. Someone saying there are cheaters has the same weight as someone else saying they were never killed by cheaters. It does zero to help the community. Someone showing proof of how many cheaters there are, how big and evolved the cheating community is does a f tonne to open the eyes of anyone watching. That video was never about confirming what one person knew through personal experience. I'm glad you realized that now.
I think the worst thing BSG can do is remain silent. With everything that is going on, the community ONLY ASSUMES the worst. If they aren’t more transparent, this game will lose everything
This is actually a scary thing regarding unfair bans. It forces players who like the game to spend more money.
I'm glad to see so many streamers making the rounds with apology videos or 'I was wrong' videos for EFT. I'm sure you all mean it.
Clowns right? A bunch of cry baby clowns man I wish streamers would keep opinions to themselves.
Thank you for doing this Trey, I for one appreciate the hit you may be potentially taking from BSG. This has needed to be addressed for SO long. Like yourself, this game has kinda been my life for the last 3 years, and like many I've always suspected that more people are cheating than we ever thought, but after the wiggle video, I can't lie that it just left me feeling completely disillusioned with both BSG and the game. I now look at engagements entirely differently, something HAS to be done now otherwise there is going to be an inevitable mass exodus and I'd hate to see that happen as this game has so much potential still.
Make or break time now. I'm way behind you and all the other content creators pushing this Trey.
Godspeed brother, and thank you again 👊
W take. If they ban you for this, then really, this isn't a game company worth investing anymore time into.
You quickly touched on the sad reality of all this news.. I’ve not been a committed EFT player in the past, but instead jump on a wipe mid through, maybe a few hours here and there.
The knowledge I have now of the rampant cheater group dissuades me from ever touching it again. And a great game it was.
“I don’t think g0at had bad intentions…” You singled him out on Twitter and called him a clout chaser then deleted the tweet after getting flamed. Super happy you’re taking accountability on the discord issue but cmon man
Hey @trey24k Thanks for the intent behind your movement, it gave those of us who are playing the game legit some kind of hope that something can come from this. The people who download cheats, nor the Dev team should get any kind of "pass". Both parties are doing the wrong thing and I hope that sooner or later they will implement a better solution to the cheating. How ever those who cheat, will always be stuck in the San Adrea's cheat code mentality. Anyways thank you for trying something, thank you for your hard work, and thank you for the update!
"Get the community to help ban people based on client side clips" was a dumb idea from the start no matter how kind the feeling behind it was.
Well it wasn't supposed to be bans based on the clips, it was more supposed to be "look into these accounts for sus activity"
As a person who has be falsely banned twice now (gotten account back both times) it feels helpless and that no one is going to help (no one really can). Now that anyone can be banned for outplaying people at times or a bug I feel that if I go into raid and kill the wrong person at the wrong time that's it account gone forever. Honestly if I get false banned again I'm not even going to bother to appeal if BSG is just deciding off of clips, put 3k hours in my EOD account over 2+ years I think I've got my moneys worth at that point.
One thing to keep in mind about DillHero is his stats are top 1%. Like, his kd is a cheater kd because hes so good so BSG probably assumed the report to be accurate because of that.
We are all with you Trey. Thats amazing what you did and we all believed and still believe that you did your best. We all do mistakes as you said, you wanted this for the community. The crowd is with you man🤜🤛💪
Being a hacker myself it's super clear when you see another hacker. Why not just start turning hack users against themselves. If you send in a clip like a wall bang wiggle or how some players have a k/d in the 20s you get a small reward like 100 rounds of gucci ammo.
It’s so sad to see your favorite game die because of something stupid like this. And they just couldn’t care less.
We casuals aren't good enough to differentiate between someone skilled, and someone cheating. ignorance in this case, is bliss.
Cheating was not as acceptable when I first went outline (90s) but then again, we attacked cheaters relentlessly once they revealed.
Imagine being in 2023 and not understanding the fact.. you can just go search the term in a search engine, why is every tarkov content creator, so surprised at that fact it's so easy to download or access stuff you shouldn't/, like we didn't already know?
honestly gotta be under a rock to not fathom that.
I'm one guy. I'm not going to play anymore since I have time for 15-20 raids max a week and over half of them have cheaters taking my potential loot, or just straight up doinking me.
RIP TARKOV SEE YOU IN SUBWAY BRO
The problem here is that BAD players will think they all get killed by a cheater and not cause they suck at the game.
"i mesed up" thats some liver king style
People can’t find an outlet for their anger , so they turn to each other, wither they are cheating or not, they just need to someone to be banned. It is almost like... old Russia...
The amount of people that were probably falsely banned because of that discord is actually disgusting...BSG 100% doesn't review clips.
i do agree with this 100% ive had the same happen to others i know with the RMT bans and i ban ive got my self with this wave BSG has banned 2 players i know for giving gear back mutiple times
and for me banning a player who has played 5 wipes for this wipe to be banned for killing players in labs and running into cheaters left and right hopefully BSG will start doing some new things cause at this point it seems they dont care
1 year ago I upgraded to EOD, 3 days later I was banned for cheating. I had never ran anything ever . Made a ticket and got a big **** you lmao . Basically told nothing.. Im still mad till this day honestly. what a shame
Well this was the last straw on the pile for me. This tells me pretty much everything I need to know about their stance on dealing with cheaters. I am super disappointed and now after over 6 years of tarkov, I am just uninstalling for good.
It appears the only way not to get banned in tarkov is to just not play. We don’t want to accidentally kill a streamer and lose our accounts.
The problem in my opinion is that bsg has financial benefit of not improving their anticheat that's the only reason in my head that they won't improve the situation...
The further into development Tarkov goes just makes it clearer that BSG is a small indie dev that is incapable developing a game as complex as Tarkov. Kinda losing hope that we will ever see Tarkov in a state with decent audio, performance, balance and a heavily reduced amount of cheaters.
I dont know why anyone thinks its even sustainable for a company like BSG to dedicate staff to manually review suspected cheating instances on an ongoing basis. THE ONLY WAY to fix this, is to fix the game, and fix the anti-cheat
The classic over correction.
It's okay. The real cheaters will just log into their spare accounts.
Perhaps AI will play a role in identifying cheaters in the future. I can't understand why players aren't banned when their stats should show an atypical ability to win encounters or obvious vectoring based on other players "hidden" locations. I just watched a video recently where a youtuber loaded ESP just to see who was actively cheating and found groups of cheaters as well as a "wiggle" that they use to identify each other which can only be noticed by another cheater.
Ok so I looked and that was the Goat you where referring to.
i get killed by head,eyes like 70% of the time on streets by a standard account its crazy