Interesting and thoughtful review, very thorough. Coming from a LEO background carrying Glocks for almost 20 years on duty and off duty from 91-2016 I am a Glock fan. However the CZ P10C has to be considered in comparison to the Glock and at the time it was released. At the time Glock had the Gen 4. The CZ features beat it in a number of ways. Fully ambidextrous (early versions) High vis mag follower, steel sights, no finger grooves, better grip texture, more adjustment through backstrap changes, more undercut under trigger guard, larger trigger guard size, better trigger, beefier parts (barrel thickness and chamber thickness, locking block and slide rails) front and rear slide serrations. All these features together with the lower price (again initially) made the CZ p10 a much better choice than the Glock at the time. Glock has since introduced the Gen 5 which added many of the CZ features. The slide stop, mag button and trigger on the CZ all take some time to smooth out and be easier to use but do get better and the trigger was out of the box better than any Glock I have even some with aftermarket trigger parts. I have 2 early versions, one with 15000 rounds and 4 classes and the other is my dryfire gun and has around 3200 rounds through it with lots of dryfire cycling so I am biased some. Great gun but nothing is perfect or even best for everyone.
I agree i have a friend who has one of the new p10c models and in the first 2 mags it got 2 jams that were pretty hard to fix lowkey has me thinking whether p10c is worth buying
For after market parts and holsters and it's reliability track record Glock hands down Granted it's a nice looking gun but I've rather be the live guy with the ugly gun.
Can you imagine the response to a similar statement about any other manufacturer? Automobile? Electronics? Beer? “Everything they make is the best.” That is high praise, indeed.
I think it may be a sign of the times. Even good companies are trying to squeeze out penny they can and charging for options they would have included in the past. Blessings
This is easily the most honest and comprehensive review of a firearm I’ve ever seen. I wish other channels would be so honest and through. Can’t wait to see part 2👍
I got the CZ P10c before this review. I am still happy with it but glad to see some issues to look for. Some not a big deal while others could be an issue. Thank you!
At the time of this video, the optics ready version was in the high $500s. As of July 2024, they're selling the CZ P10C with a Holosun SCS installed for around $580 Prices have decreased drastically
I was surprised by your initial review of the CZ P-10C. I've owned the OR model for about a year now, with a Burris Fastfire III mounted, and absolutely loving it. Great shooter. +2500 rounds without a single snag or failure. Fits my hand perfectly - medium strap mounted - allowing for quick and easy follow-up shots, despite the light weight. The very pronounced stippling adds to a strong grip, though just a tad to rough, maybe. I have no complaints about the trigger either. Creep is not excessive on mine, 5 lbs trigger weight on a duty/CCW gun is not unexpected, reset is short. Overall, very nice for a factory trigger. Surely, this pistol is not comparable to a CZ-75 or any other hammer fired steel frame SA sport pistol - but that is not to be expected in my opinion. This is actually the reason I bought it, as a contrast and challenge to my other pistols. Mine also came with 3-dot tritium sights mounted (maybe that's a difference between the European and US versions?). Can't say much about them, as I have never shot the pistol without the red dot. They reach up pretty high, but still not high enough for co-witnessing, with the Fastfire III mounted. Not really an issue for me. Anyway, looking forward to the 2nd part of your review and your final verdict.
Thank you. My understanding is the Czech produced O/R P10's do have the three dot tritium sights. I don't know why CZ USA changed that. I want to mount a MRDS on my P10C and see if that changes my opinion of it in any way. I agree, for a duty pistol, a 5-pound trigger is pretty good. My issues with the P10C in this video stem from overly hyperbolic previous reviews praising the trigger, and the drop-safety dragging on the frame. Thanks for watching!
Good review HR; the P10C I recently purchased had a problem with the trigger as well. Occasionally, the trigger would not break at all, it was necessary to wiggle the drop safety lever in the tgrigger shoe for the pistol to fire. I sent the pistol back to CZ for repair. It's still there so I'll comment again after I get it back and try it out. Other than that, I have been very pleased with my CZ 75B and SP01; both very fine firearms.
Hello HRFunk, I’m so glad I watched your video on the CZP10c! Current date is May’24. I’m considering buying either the P10 sc or a Canik tp9 elite sc and your evaluation of this trigger in the p10c is exactly what I would notice, that little creep before the break. Like you, I’m very sensitive to that in any gun I shoot. I know it’s a self defense pistol not a precision target gun but still it would bug me. If you’ve ever handled a Caniks trigger how would you compare it to the p10c? That is my issue. Any input would be appreciated.
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I love cz. Trust me im a Czech-American. I first bought a po9. I love it. Then I bought a czp10c that I been wanting since July 2023 finally got in December 2023. Took the p10c out 34 rounds it failed .slide stop spring design issues. I found out they had alot of slide stop spring issues and it honestly ain't a great design. I tried fixing it with cz approval by putting the slide stop spring leg back on in notch and put a slight inward downward bend in it. About 40 rounds came off again. Sent to cz in February they had it a month they said they deburred the slide stop and adjusted the spring I begged them to put at least 50 rounds but really wanted them to put 100 rounds through it before sending it back. I went out and ran 4 mags through it 60 rounds so far so good. I just hope it stays that way. I have seen alot of firing pin issues with them I hope mine last for at least 5000 rds. I wanted this pistol as a carry but I just don't trust it. So I have it for a backup home defense gun.
Since most people do much research on firearms they are interested in, I want to recommend to viewers to go out to a safe range and test this out before dismissing this based on this review. I believe it is a matter of perspective and if you are comparing this to a Glock - for me this one wins out. I respectfully disagree with our reviewer and really would have liked him to show a range session showing the recoil and shot placement. I think you will surprise yourself with the sights and how well this pistol shoots.
I have watched the whole review. I value and appreciate a new opinion on the P10-C. Asking for taller sights is a little strange. CZ offers a tactical version with suppressor height sights and a threaded barrel. The Glock 19 MOS still comes with plastic normal height sights. Also some versions of the P10-C like mine came standard with a serrated three dot rear sight with three 15 round magazines in the box. I ordered a standard P10-C optics ready version but I got one that said LE at the end of the description on the box. Maybe I got lucky with a law enforcement version accidentally and got all the extras for no added cost. There might be better options that fly under the radar. All in all I have had no issues with mine even though I had to third party purchase my optics plate.
I just bought this pistol 2 weeks ago. $499.00, in CT. glow in the dark three dot sights. 4.5 avg trigger pull, same short reset. Mine was manufactured in Czecelovakia in '23. I'm happy with it so far, 300 rds through. Bought a great fitting holster from Urban Carry.
I bought my first CZ 2 years and wound-up buying two more. I compared the P10 C to the P07 and purchased the P07 for me (I'm more of an hammer-fired/decocker guy) and got the P10 C for the missus. I really like the P07, but surprisingly I shot the P10 C better and may even like it more than my P07 (gotta get out with the P07 more). I really loved the aggressive grips on the P10 C, but my wife hated them...hurt her tender hands while firing. I've since purchased shooting gloves for her (I don't really like using them until the grips are total crap), but she put on some soft rubber grips (not very expensive) that feel great. I lot of your complaints about the P10 C are valid but, overall, we're not using red dot sights with this weapon and it gives up a solid/reliable compact carry option. We also have a M&P 2.0 Compact (which is comparable) but I'll take this one over the S&W any day. I also have a CZ Shadow 2...love it, but haven't shot enough rounds to know if it will give my Beretta 92X Performance a run for my favorite target pistol. The P-01 and 75 B Omega are also future considerations...but busy feeing my 1911 kick right now. I cut my teeth on the 1911 in the Marine Corps inventory back in 85, 86 (poorly maintained post WWII relics) and so glad when the MC fielded the M9 because it's no fun shooting a pistol with worn sights. Cheers!
I have four CZ pistols. A CZ 75b, a CZ 97b, a CZ Shadow 2 and a CZ P07. I love them all! The CZ P07 is my only plastic gun, and the only reason I have it is because my son traded me some guns for my motorcycle. I love it but give me steel and hammers!
@@josecanisales3491 I personally love the 97B but realize it has an absolutely HUGE grip that cannot be changed. If you have large hands it feels great. Smaller hands, not so much.
I own a CZ P10 F 19+1 capacity and a P10 C suppressor-ready with high sights, threaded barrel, and 17+1 rounds extended magazines. I, personally, have nothing but praises about the CZ P10 series. They are reliable, very accurate, with smooth striker-fired trigger pulls and great ergonomics. I don't have anything against Glock, but CZ is my favorite handgun. I also own the Walther PDP and the Canik METE models. To each their own. Very good video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Very nice review. Of course, some points and opinions raised here are more/less/unimportant to others, but all are worth noting so that each can decide. Well done.
Very well taken. You speak truth about reviews on RUclips that’s why I stick with you guns and gear Paul harrel to give a honest review is rare and those who give them often get a lot of crap for them but a lot of us out here appreciate you for being honest about it good or bad god bless
So far the complaints have been very subjective. My subjective arguments would be, suppressor height sights are less enjoyable to shoot with if you don't have an optic or suppressor attached. I believe they made the right move, and you can get various models with different combinations of the iron sights, night sights or glow, dotted rear, or blacked out like you have. Preferences are preferences. I prefer the ones I train with The trigger is excellent, the grip angle and contours are perfect, the grip texture is too aggressive for me and I either opt for talon grips or hogue grips. The high beaver tail is a huge plus It fits a lot of Glock 19 hosters, a plus for some. Magazine compatibility is really good, p10c, p10f, p07, p09, 3 mags would be nice, but the MSRP is now 399-450 depending on model, and that also applies to the P10s. Set it up how you want, truth is, it's an extremely effective and reliable and accurate tool right out of the box. Maybe not a replacement for others, but a fantastic value for the money and one I trust my life on.
There’s some differences in the trigger pull on these guns. I had 4 on the counter and picked the best trigger. Mine is 3.9lbs and very crisp. I’ve noticed the optic ready guns, made in Kansas City, don’t have nearly the trigger the Czech made guns have. My break and reset are both .120”.
I’ve had other viewers make similar comments about the triggers of the Czech built pistols as compared to those manufactured in the US. Thanks for watching!
I have 2 Czech guns F & C I replaced the F with HB Industries, left the C stock. I’d recommend just staying with the factory trigger. I love the way my P-10’s shoot and feel. I’m mostly low and left (righty) with my Glock 19.
I've waited for u too review this old comm block Modern pistol for years. I own a CZ-P10F optics ready with a Holosun 507C-X2 living on top. I use it for steel shot competition's.. It may not be perfect, but its in the upper echelon.. keel up the good work.
Just picked up a P10F OR for $429, the C OR was $389 I believe. Mine has the taller 3 dot sights to cowitness, but I would have MUCH preferred the blacked out rear with front dot (taller to cowitness, of course).
I think it does now. As with many new guns, when it first came out there were several major issues. I think it is pretty much good to go now. If I was to switch to striker fired handguns, the P10 series would be a top choice.
That seems to be a common trend of new products in general in the last 20+ years. From video games, consumer electronics,cars and trucks and all the way to guns. A new thing is typically expected to release in a state that requires significant updating to get working as intended all after you bought and paid for it
@@pistolpete1 Yeah,the case that comes to mind is the MPX. I love that gun but damn the first gen was very problematic for how much I paid for the damn thing. I dunno if I have high standards but when I pay $1000+ for a gun I get really pissed off when it turns out to be a lemon.
Two comments ++, I have the original CZ P10C The ambidextrous magazine release was stiff at first but 500 Rounds through and it was a non issue I like it, I don't think you can really get to know a guns characteristics until you put a good number of rounds through it. I thought that "catch" on the trigger drop safety was something that would "go away" you're the first reviewer that has caught that , it hasn't gone away I've adjusted my trigger pull on my particular gun, the frame contacts the safety on the right side if I apply more pressure to the left it helps, Maybe the surface is uneven? Definitely a flaw could probably fix with a light sand/scrape but I adjusted. Forgot recoil spring on my gun did not have any thread locker from the factory backed out and caused a catastrophic jam, to their credit they quickly sent me a new recoil spring and now I have a spare. Pin at the back of the gun just above the beaver tail backs out every 200 rounds or so, I just tap it back in.. All that said I love the gun, I shoot it accurately.. My number one tried and true, Ruger SR9C perfect trigger, 10k + rounds of 115 grain 9MM sites on point as accurate as I would ever want.. Sometimes older is better? That's not a reference to myself by the way:) My other CZ is a Shadow 2 different category of fire arm, and the most accurate and easy to shoot pistol I've ever shot at a range. Appreciate your take, the sites on my original non optics cut P10C are one of the best features
As you mentioned, there seems to be a notable difference in quality of manufacture between the all metal CZ pistols and the poly/striker models. For me, the jury is still out on the p10.
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I'm Glad I made the matinee showing! Can't wait for Part Two! Unfortunately! Every thing being sold now is going for basic. Then you have to upgrade to get more then you want. CZ Should have Given it A Multi Optic Plate From Factory! Why Else Call it Optic Ready! Keep up the Videos!
I went out to get a CZ 75b at my local firearms store but they were out so I bought the CZ shadow 2. For quite a bit of more cash but I am not disappointed with my purchase.
Seein that deltapoint that high on the slide makes me appreciate fn’s slide cuts..I have the rmr on a 509 and wish it was lower..thinkin bout gettin my 4” emp milled for the rmr cc..thanks chief
Another nice job! I must admit the first time I held this pistol when it first came out I loved the way it just seemed to become part of my hand, unlike the FN509, but I didn’t buy one simply bc I was set with my current firearm. CZ makes some of the finest firearms in the world, one of which is the CZ-75. There is no question it is a pistol that has stood the test of time and still holds a respectable place in use all over the world. It is said Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper gave the pistol high praise. Another stellar offering is the P-07 which Mike Pannone gave an outstanding review on. A tough Glock 19 size hammer fire pistol that offers the user plenty. As many new pistols do, the P10C experienced some failures initially, but CZ seems to have gotten it worked out. For the new shooter who isn’t already vested in a system the CZ P10c is a nice choice for a striker fire platform.
As to the trigger. After a couple of thousand rounds.. It has a very smooth wall to climb (creep) and you will be able to sit on the top and let it go when you are on the center of the target. Or at least, I can do that. (If I can do it , You can do it) Then there are always after market triggers. HBI or CGW to name a few.
I got a 10C & 10F marked with Czech made stampings. I also got a 10C with factory threaded barrel and suppressor height sights (not sure if it was Kansas) I replaced the slide with a Norsso Reptilian so I could mount an optic. I also changed the trigger to HB Industries for my F and threaded C. I shoot my CZs better than my Glocks.
CZ is the MOST criminally underrated companies. i have a p09 and its just monster. one of the best shooter i have had . and i have been lucy to have the top of the top most would agree. hkvp9 m&P 2.0 glock 45 43x FN 509c and the p09 is by far the best shooter out of my bunch...but p09 is hammer over striker. CZ is a great company makes great guns
Good. I'm glad the P09 suits you so well. I don't think I would say CZ is under-rated. The company and it's products have a pretty sizable and loyal customer base.
I picked up my optics ready P10c, last week. Its Czech made, and has standard height, FS 3-dot tritium sights. The foam in my case has cutouts, for the pistol, mags, parts/accessories. The trigger safety hangs up on the frame, ever so slightly. I like it, though. It feels good, and points nicely. It has more weight than I anticipated (~2oz less than my PCR), but i like a pistol with some heft to it..
I agree with you 100% on the sight height, for the OR models. I personally like a blacked out rear combat sight. I bought the suppressor ready because of higher sights. The lack of mounting plates is another pain. The chambered indicator is a dumb idea on any gun. You should never rely on them. Always do a press check. Overall the P10 series is a great platform and I love mine. I personally am not a fan of ambidextrous mag releases where there is one on both sides of the pistol because I have had a few eject the mag while I was rolling around on the ground. The option to have it on either side is in my opinion a better way to go. As with all cz's the triggers only get better with time.
Yeah I have a CZ75b too with the Omega trigger. Amazing. I dry fired the trigger on the P-10c. It struck me that the trigger wasn't bad but not as good as the VP9's or PDP but way better than the Glock's. It is a smoother trigger than my G19 IMO. I bought my G19 with upgraded sights... You pretty much have to. I think the stock triggers on Glocks ain't great. To be precise with a Glock I need to really focus the first few shots where my VP9 or Walther are auto hit. Also they don't send you a bag of plates that suck like Glock plates. At least be as harsh to the Glock that a lot of people accept as "perfection" which has been sitting on its arse soaking up cash with a not so great trigger and throw away plastic sights for similar money. The only guns that came fully good to go were my VP9 which was considerably more expensive and a P320c Pro the internet hates but I like and shoot well. Anyway to deck out a Glock similarly you are spending more money IMO. A lot of your gripes are generic. The tactile loaded chamber indicator holds water. I don't buy into them anyway. Always assume the gun is loaded. Does it point better than a Glock. IMO yes. Fully supported chamber is better than Glock's. I have not shot it yet, but I would like to say it took a longer time to become proficient at shooting a Glock than other types of pistols that point more naturally and even a Steyr M9 (one of my favorite polymer guns) is easier to index because the ergonomics mate better with my hand giving you a clue on how to hold it and the trigger is light and clean, hence I shoot it more naturally despite the Glock angle. It is Glockesque because a pissed off engineer whose design change suggestions for the Gen 2 were ignored, so he went across the street. Having not shot it, I will withhold judgement. However, I suspect it will naturally shoot well out of the box and being an aficionado of all things CZ, I like the fit and finish, which is great. I don't hate my Glock. It's weight per round is great and also it's AK-like simplicity, but IMO they innovate less and it shows. That's my objection to "Glock Perfection". Also the Steyr out Glocks the Glock because it's non-confusing ergo's give you a natural sense of how to point it better. Also the triggers on almost all current polymer pistols are superior even the latest Taurus pistols. There was a slight update on the Gen 5 but it was minor not as dramatic as M&P 1.0 to 2.0. I love your reviews because your format is very consistent and you are thorough. I think you have an internal bias to Glocks as do many LE professionals, and I respect LE professionals, but you guys have been subjected to Glock marketing more than most which is quite good. I picked this pistol up and it spoke to me in handling it in a way that the Glock did not. I might act on that but a CZ Shadow 2 for $999 is calling to me. That pistol is next. P.S. Glock marketing should never have gone with "Glock Perfection". It smacks of arrogance. Engineers should never be done. They should have more accurately gone with "Glock Simplicity" or "Glocksimple". It better suits the gun in reality.
I've had similar experiences, with Remington Corp, as well as Walther, plus Walther is extremely expensive.Be certain what you receive for your costs..on a good note.. Henry, and Beretta, Ptr corp... Armalite...plus Weatherby, all treat a customer, as if he or she, is a special part of their business..Even off brands doing ak builds, treat a person better then who've I' ve mentioned unfavorably...HR ROCKS....
I noticed yours is made in Kansas City Kansas. Mine is made is Czech Republic. Mine is a 2021 made and not optics ready. I personally wanted the Czech made on figuring better made and qc
Unfortunately, I also got 1 of the lemon 🍋 trigger safety catching the frame released run model. What did you had to do to resolve the trigger safety rubbing the frame issue? Please help 🙏
I personally own the 1st gen P10c and a P10f. The trigger on the P10c is a lot better and I think it has to do with redesign of the trigger bar on the newer P10 series. I know that no gun is perfect and everyone has its flaws but out the box the P10 series are at the top 2. Great ergos, low recoil, easy to shoot especially for beginners, lower bore axis and the trigger. I have added a HBi striker reduced spring and have almost about 1,000 rds and 2 classes with it. I also have own M&Ps 2.0, VP9, P320, P30 and STI, P10's by far are top 3.
I have a P -10-C and PDP. Get a P10C for the price and flat shooting, but don’t expect the trigger to feel or be as crisp as a PDP. It’s better than a Glock, but not comparable to a PDP.
I really wanted one these or an H&k VP9 . What are your thoughts on which is more reliable , accurate , and worth the new markup price in this new price gouging era. I can't stop buying. It's an addiction , but I can make better choices instead of just filling my safe and then needing a another .
I own the cz75b omega great pistol I just wish other companies would stand behind their products like s&w that gives you a lifetime warranty and they honor it I notice a lot of companies only offer a one year warranty and the customer service is not that great I bought a CANIK TP9SF 18 round magazine just to give it a shot it has a great trigger and great reset lifetime warranty also.
I'm still considering buying one from Bass Pro Shops I think I get the best deals from them with discounts I hope they updated the gun in 2 years up to par to say thank you
GREAT - thorough, demonstrated, and employing your superb depth of experience - review, Howard. THANK YOU. As you are very well aware, like you believe CZ autoloaders, based on the fundamental and outstanding 75 deign, are terrific firearms. I won’t elaborate here, simply becuase I have iterated the reasons so often. I would wager that fundamentally what happened with the P10 was CZ’s senior management (possibly CZ USA more so than CZ in the Czech Republic) correctly saw the “Gun Couture 2.0” marketplace rapidly shifting toward Glock-like designs (polymer frames, striker fired, no external thumb safety, etc.) and understandably believed they needed to compete in that arena. LOTS of individuals simply would - and will - not consider hammer fired, or .40 S&W, or all metal, or DA/SA designs, although I believe that is incredibly myopic and foolish. So, CZ semi-rushed the P10’a development and production, and they didn’t devote the effort, the thought and the capital necessary to attain a truly outstanding firearm. In fairness to CZ, however, imho Glock - the market’s dominant competition - also produces a good, but not a great semiautomatic (I can’t stand Gl;oak’s sights, trigger, ergonomics, although I own a G36 and a G23C). I’d further speculate that many/most contemporary sidearm purchasers want a “good” - but not necessarily a superb -m Glock-like weapon . . . and CRUCIALLY,, they do not have the experience or the knowledge to appreciate the subtle, nuanced differences between (for example) today’s batch of “wonder nines” and the Sigs, H&Ks. Berettas, S&Ws, CZSs of 25 years ago. To illustrate this point slightly further, we both can remember (let’s say in the 1970’s or 1980’s) when military personnel and law enforcement officers would want personal sidearms of the highest quality (such as S&W K,L and N Frame pre-Hillary revolvers, 1911A1s, Beretta 92 series, Sig P series autoloaders, and so forth). Now, however, Gloaks, M17s/M18s, etc. are the service sidearms . . . and they are VERY good, VERY functional, VERY reliable, VERY simple, and comparatively very inexpensive. What they are not is very “fine” craftsmanship.
I completely agree Roy. In fact, just last night I was discussing this very topic. The current state of CAD/CNC firearm production has created very functional, and relatively affordable firearms, but we have lost the craftsmen and artisans who took pride in manufacturing high quality rifles, shotguns and pistols. Unfortunately, people like us can remember a time when those folks enthusiastically plied their various trades, and we lement their passing. Ironically, anyone younger than about 30 has no memory of them and no appreciation for what we've lost.
@@hrfunk Amen, my friend. And - much as I despise saying it - the firearms in the marketplace today generally are darn good and darn affordable. So, if I were the Federal official who (for example) were deciding what sidearm(s) would be issued to the Bureau, I’d absolutely select from a group the several/many 9x19mm, striker fired, polymer framed, modern designs. I am CERTAIN that DoJ’s Comptroller would financially insist on that, and money is ALWAYS a vital decision metric. BUT, while they are practical and very effective, they are not artisan craftsmanship.
Love the honest review. Just got one myself, so far I love it. Although I've heard the infamous trigger doesn't set in until at least 500 rounds... Can't confirm quite yet, but soon! Also mine doesn't have the same issue with the drop safety catching, but each piece is different right? Glad I found your channel with this video, you have my sub! Much better than the typical fan boys, I appreciate the honesty!
Another thing that I noticed that CZ should have done to this model is elongated the rail sections on the frame where the slide rails run on. It looks like they could’ve added a little more towards the rear on the part above the trigger.
I have a Holosun 407K on my CZ10C. My locale gunsmith milled my slide, installed the sights and I'm able to co witness with stock sights. He's done the same thing on my Sig P320, each coast $120.00.
That is more expensive but likely less annoying than buying the Optics Ready version and finding out you have to cough up another $40 to mount an optic!
@@hrfunk Thank you for your quick reply sir. Usually when I comment/ask a question, I get no reply from the creator nor any other reply. The 407K is a single 6moa red dot. The 507K has the three different reticles and a smaller moa as the original 507C. For me and my 73 yo eyes, the 6moa is a little easier to find quickly....for me. I've enjoyed your series of LEO qualification in different States and by different "alphabet" branch. Thank you again sir for a quick reply.
I have a CZ 75 that I was kinda "Meh" about. Bought a 75 SP01 that I absolutely fell in love with. It's everything good thing I ever heard about CZs. Because of that SP01, I bought a P01. I'm better than "Meh" about it, but not in love with it (very gritty double action trigger, unlike the SP01). For me, when CZ is good, they're very, very good. But, like any manufacturer, they're not always good. Still, when I move to a free state, I'd love to get my hands on a P07 or P09. Light-weight and hammer fired sounds like my ticket.
The absence of optics ready sights is a problem with most manufacturers today, even the Walther PDP. FN and M&P Performance Center models are some rare exceptions.
If they just made the PDP sights like a millimeter taller outa the box they would have gave me a reasonable co-witness with my Vortex Viper. As is I can barely barely use them because they perfectly align with the red dot's base so the second the front sight post disappears you know the sights are on. I've shot fairly accurately doing this but I don't think it would be a very easy to pull off in a situation where you needed backup sights.
@Watario Vids I concur. I installed Night Fision tritium optics height sights on my P10C and PDP and they work great, presenting somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 co-witness.
@@watariovids1645 I agree. I know you could switch out the PDP with Glock suppressor height sights if you want to cowitness, but I feel like the optic cut for the PDP is already really low. If they barely increased the height of the stock sights, you could cowitness right out of the box. Such a missed opportunity
I was a Glock fan. P10 C is better built Glock 19. Just bought it. I have many Berettas, Rutgers, M&Ps. Sigs. Best quality. Reasonable price. Finest pistol. I will soon buy optics ready soon. Will sell others to buy more CZ.
I will say it again, H.R. does the best firearm reviews, very thorough and well explained. I previously owned the CZ P10-F fullsize and was not impressed at all for many of the reasons H.R. pointed out, especially the trigger, mine had to much grit and creep, worse than any Glock trigger I have ever tried. Thank you again H.R. for your excellent review. Looking forward to the range portion.
My OR CZ came with 3 mags, and the tritium filled rear sight. The CZ branded plates are available from midway USA and are in stock. Also noticed yours is made in Kansas, mine doesn’t have the same trigger issue and mine is made in Czech.
CZ does make RMR steel plates. So does Cajun gun works. I have a RMR cut cz plate for the Holosun 507C-XS. They provide the screws. It is around 40 to 50$ . The fit is great.
I haven't bought anything from any of these online gougers in a long time especially ammo and sights. It's not enough with wanting silly prices for the product but they're making 100% profit on shipping costs.
@@hrfunk always like your videos no matter the topic always good clean down home content, be very careful up there and we appreciate you and your time, it's all worth it 👍
@@hrfunk Agreed. I thought about filing it down just a touch like you had, but it was my first handgun and I was afraid of messing something up haha. I will say, the trigger does feel a bit lighter and smoother after a few hundred rounds, but I didn’t measure it or anything.
Thanks for the review. I am a CZ fan for sure, but they just don't get it some times. Why would you put out an optic ready gun and not put suppressor height sights on it from the factory for co-witness opportunities. Also there is no threaded barrel option for the optics ready gun that I have seen. If you could find one, I would buy it immediately. I have not seen a P10C OR in over a year or so. At least one plate free is a no go for me. I will not purchase a P10 OR in any version until they correct this shortcoming.
The optic ready models are made in the USA so that might affect price compared to models made in Czech Republic. But all prices are still up my dad bought a Taurus G3c last week for $442!!!
My wife bought one a few weeks ago. On sale I think it was $345. The price for just about everything is very random right now. That said, I based my comments regarding the P10C on CZ’s MSRP as well as what I actually paid for this pistol.
I recently got one for my duty gun for security and it feels great in my hands and I've seen good reviews for it. I have one mag in the gun which is a 17 rounder and my other two are 15 rounders.
That Safariland holster looks like one of their "Universal fit" holsters, I'm sure with some adjustments it will drop right in...Mine fits a 6390 rds perfect. That said when I install my X300 the light sits lower on the rail then a Glock 19 which causes the battery compartment tab to impact the kydex a bit. Nothing a few swipes with a dremmel couldn't fix
I can’t really modify that holster because I need it to work with my issued Glock. I ended up purchasing an Alien Gear holster for the P10. Just for fun I tested the fit with the Glock 19. It didn’t fit.
@@hrfunk I've found that with Safariland you can order a holster that's purpose built for the CZ but none will accommodate a light. With mine all I had to to was knock the sharp edge off with the dremmel (hardly noticeable) that said It will work without doing so. However when re-holstering that raised portion of the battery compartment take a little beating
Got to the range yesterday to try my Sig m18, the thing's amazing! it's becoming my go to pistol.....and yet I walk out the store with 2 more guns then what I had walked in because the range store had a Springfield Garrison 1911 in stainless steel AND a Smith and Wesson 686 plus with 2.5 inch barrel....I need someone to yank my wallet away from me XD
Totally agree with your evaluation of this pistol, that's why I never bought one. Just one of many G19 clones. S&W M&Ps are still the best OR pistols, most others should be called optics "capable".
I had a 1st gen CZ-P10C which had to go back to CZ after a couple of thousand rds. thru it for breaking striker pins. What they sent back was a brand new 2nd gen CZ-P10C with a massive trigger upgrade & right handed only mag release with raised mag release guard. They sent back my Theta trigger from HB Industries which I immediately reinstalled as well as the lighter striker assy. spring. I now have zero mush before the trigger breaks like glass and no problem with the trigger safety hanging up thanks to the Theta trigger. I made a video of the trigger pull weight and it breaking like glass but don't know how to upload it for you to watch. Any suggestions?
If it’s short you can email it to me at hrfunk@zoominternet.net . That said, most of the time, shooters who are issued a pistol are not permitted to change the trigger for liability reasons. I know the trigger on many firearms can be improved with aftermarket options. For the stated reason, however, I rarely modify my triggers.
@@hrfunk Hey Mr. Funk, I love it but I don't get out much anymore, 76yrs young. I,m working on some M1As and polytec M14s. I was a U.S. Navy Seabee 68-72, loved the Navy chow.
Interesting and thoughtful review, very thorough. Coming from a LEO background carrying Glocks for almost 20 years on duty and off duty from 91-2016 I am a Glock fan. However the CZ P10C has to be considered in comparison to the Glock and at the time it was released. At the time Glock had the Gen 4. The CZ features beat it in a number of ways. Fully ambidextrous (early versions) High vis mag follower, steel sights, no finger grooves, better grip texture, more adjustment through backstrap changes, more undercut under trigger guard, larger trigger guard size, better trigger, beefier parts (barrel thickness and chamber thickness, locking block and slide rails) front and rear slide serrations.
All these features together with the lower price (again initially) made the CZ p10 a much better choice than the Glock at the time. Glock has since introduced the Gen 5 which added many of the CZ features. The slide stop, mag button and trigger on the CZ all take some time to smooth out and be easier to use but do get better and the trigger was out of the box better than any Glock I have even some with aftermarket trigger parts. I have 2 early versions, one with 15000 rounds and 4 classes and the other is my dryfire gun and has around 3200 rounds through it with lots of dryfire cycling so I am biased some. Great gun but nothing is perfect or even best for everyone.
Agreed. Thanks for the comment.
I agree i have a friend who has one of the new p10c models and in the first 2 mags it got 2 jams that were pretty hard to fix lowkey has me thinking whether p10c is worth buying
For after market parts and holsters and it's reliability track record Glock hands down Granted it's a nice looking gun but I've rather be the live guy with the ugly gun.
I absolutely love my CZ P10c in FDE with their night sights. Living the CZ Life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good for you Jerry! I hope it works well for you for a long time.
Love all my CZs! One note to CZ, make a high capacity micro 9 and I’ll be waiting outside my local gun store to buy it.
Yes!
Everything cz makes are the best. No complaints here. Love them.
Can you imagine the response to a similar statement about any other manufacturer? Automobile? Electronics? Beer? “Everything they make is the best.” That is high praise, indeed.
B@@hrfunkCZ Makes high quality weapons.
I agree.
I have a P-10C OR model, she's definitely a keeper. Semper Fi
I think it may be a sign of the times. Even good companies are trying to squeeze out penny they can and charging for options they would have included in the past. Blessings
This is easily the most honest and comprehensive review of a firearm I’ve ever seen. I wish other channels would be so honest and through. Can’t wait to see part 2👍
Thank you Anthony!
I just bought my 3rd CZ and it is the CZP10C i was out the door @ $389
Good points about the sites and OR issues. Hope the company listens to you and others saying the same things.
I got the CZ P10c before this review. I am still happy with it but glad to see some issues to look for. Some not a big deal while others could be an issue. Thank you!
At the time of this video, the optics ready version was in the high $500s. As of July 2024, they're selling the CZ P10C with a Holosun SCS installed for around $580
Prices have decreased drastically
Very comprehensive video. Thanks a bunch for all your hard work.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I was surprised by your initial review of the CZ P-10C. I've owned the OR model for about a year now, with a Burris Fastfire III mounted, and absolutely loving it. Great shooter. +2500 rounds without a single snag or failure. Fits my hand perfectly - medium strap mounted - allowing for quick and easy follow-up shots, despite the light weight. The very pronounced stippling adds to a strong grip, though just a tad to rough, maybe. I have no complaints about the trigger either. Creep is not excessive on mine, 5 lbs trigger weight on a duty/CCW gun is not unexpected, reset is short. Overall, very nice for a factory trigger. Surely, this pistol is not comparable to a CZ-75 or any other hammer fired steel frame SA sport pistol - but that is not to be expected in my opinion. This is actually the reason I bought it, as a contrast and challenge to my other pistols. Mine also came with 3-dot tritium sights mounted (maybe that's a difference between the European and US versions?). Can't say much about them, as I have never shot the pistol without the red dot. They reach up pretty high, but still not high enough for co-witnessing, with the Fastfire III mounted. Not really an issue for me. Anyway, looking forward to the 2nd part of your review and your final verdict.
Thank you. My understanding is the Czech produced O/R P10's do have the three dot tritium sights. I don't know why CZ USA changed that. I want to mount a MRDS on my P10C and see if that changes my opinion of it in any way. I agree, for a duty pistol, a 5-pound trigger is pretty good. My issues with the P10C in this video stem from overly hyperbolic previous reviews praising the trigger, and the drop-safety dragging on the frame. Thanks for watching!
Good review HR; the P10C I recently purchased had a problem with the trigger as well. Occasionally, the trigger would not break at all, it was necessary to wiggle the drop safety lever in the tgrigger shoe for the pistol to fire. I sent the pistol back to CZ for repair. It's still there so I'll comment again after I get it back and try it out. Other than that, I have been very pleased with my CZ 75B and SP01; both very fine firearms.
Good! I hope it runs like a top when you get it back. Thanks for watching!
Hello HRFunk, I’m so glad I watched your video on the CZP10c! Current date is May’24. I’m considering buying either the P10 sc or a Canik tp9 elite sc and your evaluation of this trigger in the p10c is exactly what I would notice, that little creep before the break. Like you, I’m very sensitive to that in any gun I shoot. I know it’s a self defense pistol not a precision target gun but still it would bug me. If you’ve ever handled a Caniks trigger how would you compare it to the p10c? That is my issue. Any input would be appreciated.
I really like Canik triggers. I think they produce some of the best poly/striker triggers on the market.
"RUclips echo chamber," an unfortunate truth within the RUclips gun reviewers community. Thank you for pointing that out. Reviewers like you are a rare breed. Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub Andrew. Welcome aboard!
Couldn’t ask for a more thorough and objective review.
Thanks James!
I love cz. Trust me im a Czech-American. I first bought a po9. I love it. Then I bought a czp10c that I been wanting since July 2023 finally got in December 2023. Took the p10c out 34 rounds it failed .slide stop spring design issues. I found out they had alot of slide stop spring issues and it honestly ain't a great design. I tried fixing it with cz approval by putting the slide stop spring leg back on in notch and put a slight inward downward bend in it. About 40 rounds came off again. Sent to cz in February they had it a month they said they deburred the slide stop and adjusted the spring I begged them to put at least 50 rounds but really wanted them to put 100 rounds through it before sending it back. I went out and ran 4 mags through it 60 rounds so far so good. I just hope it stays that way. I have seen alot of firing pin issues with them I hope mine last for at least 5000 rds. I wanted this pistol as a carry but I just don't trust it. So I have it for a backup home defense gun.
Since most people do much research on firearms they are interested in, I want to recommend to viewers to go out to a safe range and test this out before dismissing this based on this review. I believe it is a matter of perspective and if you are comparing this to a Glock - for me this one wins out. I respectfully disagree with our reviewer and really would have liked him to show a range session showing the recoil and shot placement. I think you will surprise yourself with the sights and how well this pistol shoots.
Thank you. The range session has already been recorded. It will go live at 0800 (EST) this coming Wednesday.
I have watched the whole review. I value and appreciate a new opinion on the P10-C. Asking for taller sights is a little strange. CZ offers a tactical version with suppressor height sights and a threaded barrel. The Glock 19 MOS still comes with plastic normal height sights. Also some versions of the P10-C like mine came standard with a serrated three dot rear sight with three 15 round magazines in the box. I ordered a standard P10-C optics ready version but I got one that said LE at the end of the description on the box. Maybe I got lucky with a law enforcement version accidentally and got all the extras for no added cost. There might be better options that fly under the radar. All in all I have had no issues with mine even though I had to third party purchase my optics plate.
Good. I hope it serves you well for a long time.
I just bought this pistol 2 weeks ago. $499.00, in CT. glow in the dark three dot sights. 4.5 avg trigger pull, same short reset. Mine was manufactured in Czecelovakia in '23. I'm happy with it so far, 300 rds through. Bought a great fitting holster from Urban Carry.
Good for you. I hope it serves you well for a long time to come.
I bought my first CZ 2 years and wound-up buying two more. I compared the P10 C to the P07 and purchased the P07 for me (I'm more of an hammer-fired/decocker guy) and got the P10 C for the missus. I really like the P07, but surprisingly I shot the P10 C better and may even like it more than my P07 (gotta get out with the P07 more). I really loved the aggressive grips on the P10 C, but my wife hated them...hurt her tender hands while firing. I've since purchased shooting gloves for her (I don't really like using them until the grips are total crap), but she put on some soft rubber grips (not very expensive) that feel great. I lot of your complaints about the P10 C are valid but, overall, we're not using red dot sights with this weapon and it gives up a solid/reliable compact carry option. We also have a M&P 2.0 Compact (which is comparable) but I'll take this one over the S&W any day. I also have a CZ Shadow 2...love it, but haven't shot enough rounds to know if it will give my Beretta 92X Performance a run for my favorite target pistol. The P-01 and 75 B Omega are also future considerations...but busy feeing my 1911 kick right now. I cut my teeth on the 1911 in the Marine Corps inventory back in 85, 86 (poorly maintained post WWII relics) and so glad when the MC fielded the M9 because it's no fun shooting a pistol with worn sights. Cheers!
Thanks Jim! That's a great stable of handguns you have there. Enjoy them! Semper Fi!
I have four CZ pistols. A CZ 75b, a CZ 97b, a CZ Shadow 2 and a CZ P07. I love them all! The CZ P07 is my only plastic gun, and the only reason I have it is because my son traded me some guns for my motorcycle. I love it but give me steel and hammers!
Would you recommend the CZ 97b?
@@josecanisales3491 I love it. The only problem is that I don't shoot my 1911 any more. LOL
@@josecanisales3491 I personally love the 97B but realize it has an absolutely HUGE grip that cannot be changed. If you have large hands it feels great. Smaller hands, not so much.
@HRFunk
So glad to hear your honesty regarding this CZ.
I own a CZ P10 F 19+1 capacity and a P10 C suppressor-ready with high sights, threaded barrel, and 17+1 rounds extended magazines.
I, personally, have nothing but praises about the CZ P10 series. They are reliable, very accurate, with smooth striker-fired trigger pulls and great ergonomics.
I don't have anything against Glock, but CZ is my favorite handgun. I also own the Walther PDP and the Canik METE models. To each their own.
Very good video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you!
Very nice review. Of course, some points and opinions raised here are more/less/unimportant to others, but all are worth noting so that each can decide. Well done.
There is no such thing as the perfect gun. You cant please everyone's wants or needs.
Very well taken. You speak truth about reviews on RUclips that’s why I stick with you guns and gear Paul harrel to give a honest review is rare and those who give them often get a lot of crap for them but a lot of us out here appreciate you for being honest about it good or bad god bless
Thank you Bernie!
I'm glad my CZ P10F does not have creep, I really like it actually.
Very good and honest review.
Thank you!
So far the complaints have been very subjective.
My subjective arguments would be, suppressor height sights are less enjoyable to shoot with if you don't have an optic or suppressor attached. I believe they made the right move, and you can get various models with different combinations of the iron sights, night sights or glow, dotted rear, or blacked out like you have. Preferences are preferences. I prefer the ones I train with
The trigger is excellent, the grip angle and contours are perfect, the grip texture is too aggressive for me and I either opt for talon grips or hogue grips. The high beaver tail is a huge plus
It fits a lot of Glock 19 hosters, a plus for some.
Magazine compatibility is really good, p10c, p10f, p07, p09, 3 mags would be nice, but the MSRP is now 399-450 depending on model, and that also applies to the P10s.
Set it up how you want, truth is, it's an extremely effective and reliable and accurate tool right out of the box. Maybe not a replacement for others, but a fantastic value for the money and one I trust my life on.
I concur.
Love mine. Way better than my Glocks( which I have many of)
There’s some differences in the trigger pull on these guns. I had 4 on the counter and picked the best trigger. Mine is 3.9lbs and very crisp. I’ve noticed the optic ready guns, made in Kansas City, don’t have nearly the trigger the Czech made guns have. My break and reset are both .120”.
I’ve had other viewers make similar comments about the triggers of the Czech built pistols as compared to those manufactured in the US. Thanks for watching!
I have 2 Czech guns F & C I replaced the F with HB Industries, left the C stock. I’d recommend just staying with the factory trigger. I love the way my P-10’s shoot and feel. I’m mostly low and left (righty) with my Glock 19.
I've waited for u too review this old comm block Modern pistol for years. I own a CZ-P10F optics ready with a Holosun 507C-X2 living on top. I use it for steel shot competition's.. It may not be perfect, but its in the upper echelon.. keel up the good work.
Will do Chris. Thanks for watching!
Just picked up a P10F OR for $429, the C OR was $389 I believe. Mine has the taller 3 dot sights to cowitness, but I would have MUCH preferred the blacked out rear with front dot (taller to cowitness, of course).
I think it does now. As with many new guns, when it first came out there were several major issues. I think it is pretty much good to go now. If I was to switch to striker fired handguns, the P10 series would be a top choice.
That seems to be a common trend of new products in general in the last 20+ years.
From video games, consumer electronics,cars and trucks and all the way to guns. A new thing is typically expected to release in a state that requires significant updating to get working as intended all after you bought and paid for it
Under stress trigger creep may not be noticed. Trigger travel and reset lengths may be more of an issue for fast grouping.
@@jacobt1027 you are spot on. I like to wait a while for that first few production runs to get gone, then buy.
@@pistolpete1 Yeah,the case that comes to mind is the MPX. I love that gun but damn the first gen was very problematic for how much I paid for the damn thing.
I dunno if I have high standards but when I pay $1000+ for a gun I get really pissed off when it turns out to be a lemon.
I don’t blame you!
Great review. Covers a lot of features of the gun I would have never thought about looking for at the store.
Two comments ++, I have the original CZ P10C The ambidextrous magazine release was stiff at first but 500 Rounds through and it was a non issue I like it, I don't think you can really get to know a guns characteristics until you put a good number of rounds through it. I thought that "catch" on the trigger drop safety was something that would "go away" you're the first reviewer that has caught that , it hasn't gone away I've adjusted my trigger pull on my particular gun, the frame contacts the safety on the right side if I apply more pressure to the left it helps, Maybe the surface is uneven? Definitely a flaw could probably fix with a light sand/scrape but I adjusted. Forgot recoil spring on my gun did not have any thread locker from the factory backed out and caused a catastrophic jam, to their credit they quickly sent me a new recoil spring and now I have a spare. Pin at the back of the gun just above the beaver tail backs out every 200 rounds or so, I just tap it back in.. All that said I love the gun, I shoot it accurately.. My number one tried and true, Ruger SR9C perfect trigger, 10k + rounds of 115 grain 9MM sites on point as accurate as I would ever want.. Sometimes older is better? That's not a reference to myself by the way:) My other CZ is a Shadow 2 different category of fire arm, and the most accurate and easy to shoot pistol I've ever shot at a range. Appreciate your take, the sites on my original non optics cut P10C are one of the best features
As you mentioned, there seems to be a notable difference in quality of manufacture between the all metal CZ pistols and the poly/striker models. For me, the jury is still out on the p10.
Thank you..I do like a two dot sight sites : and don't like griping all over the slide .
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Super Bowl Sunday from a Marine Corps Colonel in Afghanistan: "So with all the kindness I can muster, I give this one piece of advice to the next pop star who is asked to sing the national anthem at a sporting event: save the vocal gymnastics and the physical gyrations for your concerts. Just sing this song the way you were taught to sing it in kindergarten - straight up, no styling "Sing it with the constant awareness that there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines watching you from bases and outposts all over the world. Don't make them cringe with your self-centered ego gratification. Sing it as if you are standing before a row of 96-year-old WWII vets wearing their Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and flag pins on their cardigans and you want them to be proud of you for honoring them and the country they love - not because you want them to think you are a superstar musician. They could see that from your costume, makeup and your entourage. Sing 'The Star Spangled Banner' with the courtesy and humility that tells the audience that it is about America, not you. And please not everything needs to be spunked up! We’re getting a little weary of that. Francis Scott Key does not need any help." Semper Fi
Geoff Who will do what he can.
Amen Geoff, amen.
Grabbing a P-01 from Cajun Gun Works as soon as get out of Delaware. (Base housing)
I think you will really like it. I like mine a lot!
I'm Glad I made the matinee showing! Can't wait for Part Two! Unfortunately! Every thing being sold now is going for basic. Then you have to upgrade to get more then you want. CZ Should have Given it A Multi Optic Plate From Factory! Why Else Call it Optic Ready! Keep up the Videos!
Agreed. Maybe they should have called it “Optics Capable.”
extremely objective, I like the CZs in general, does not mean that would approve of undue hype.
I went out to get a CZ 75b at my local firearms store but they were out so I bought the CZ shadow 2. For quite a bit of more cash but I am not disappointed with my purchase.
What are your thoughts on buying used instead of new ? Doesn't seem to me much difference in price the days.
I don't mind buying a used firearm depending upon condition and price. You're right, everything is at a premium these days.
Seein that deltapoint that high on the slide makes me appreciate fn’s slide cuts..I have the rmr on a 509 and wish it was lower..thinkin bout gettin my 4” emp milled for the rmr cc..thanks chief
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Good review. Showing The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. That's what's needed in a review.
Thanks Steve. That’s what I try to do.
Another nice job! I must admit the first time I held this pistol when it first came out I loved the way it just seemed to become part of my hand, unlike the FN509, but I didn’t buy one simply bc I was set with my current firearm.
CZ makes some of the finest firearms in the world, one of which is the CZ-75. There is no question it is a pistol that has stood the test of time and still holds a respectable place in use all over the world. It is said Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper gave the pistol high praise.
Another stellar offering is the P-07 which Mike Pannone gave an outstanding review on. A tough Glock 19 size hammer fire pistol that offers the user plenty.
As many new pistols do, the P10C experienced some failures initially, but CZ seems to have gotten it worked out. For the new shooter who isn’t already vested in a system the CZ P10c is a nice choice for a striker fire platform.
That may be true, but for a not so young shooter with a lot of handgun experience it has a few shortcomings.
@@hrfunk I don’t disagree.
As to the trigger. After a couple of thousand rounds.. It has a very smooth wall to climb (creep) and you will be able to sit on the top and let it go when you are on the center of the target. Or at least, I can do that. (If I can do it , You can do it) Then there are always after market triggers. HBI or CGW to name a few.
After a couple of thousand rounds, I’ll let you know how mine is doing.
I got a 10C & 10F marked with Czech made stampings. I also got a 10C with factory threaded barrel and suppressor height sights (not sure if it was Kansas) I replaced the slide with a Norsso Reptilian so I could mount an optic.
I also changed the trigger to HB Industries for my F and threaded C. I shoot my CZs better than my Glocks.
How did they perform before the modifications?
CZ is the MOST criminally underrated companies.
i have a p09 and its just monster. one of the best shooter i have had . and i have been lucy to have the top of the top most would agree.
hkvp9
m&P 2.0
glock 45 43x
FN 509c
and the p09 is by far the best shooter out of my bunch...but p09 is hammer over striker. CZ is a great company makes great guns
Good. I'm glad the P09 suits you so well. I don't think I would say CZ is under-rated. The company and it's products have a pretty sizable and loyal customer base.
I picked up my optics ready P10c, last week. Its Czech made, and has standard height, FS 3-dot tritium sights. The foam in my case has cutouts, for the pistol, mags, parts/accessories. The trigger safety hangs up on the frame, ever so slightly. I like it, though. It feels good, and points nicely. It has more weight than I anticipated (~2oz less than my PCR), but i like a pistol with some heft to it..
Good. I hope it works really well for you!
I agree with you 100% on the sight height, for the OR models. I personally like a blacked out rear combat sight. I bought the suppressor ready because of higher sights. The lack of mounting plates is another pain.
The chambered indicator is a dumb idea on any gun. You should never rely on them. Always do a press check. Overall the P10 series is a great platform and I love mine.
I personally am not a fan of ambidextrous mag releases where there is one on both sides of the pistol because I have had a few eject the mag while I was rolling around on the ground. The option to have it on either side is in my opinion a better way to go.
As with all cz's the triggers only get better with time.
Thanks William, I suspect the trigger will get smoother with use, but I don’t expect it to get much lighter or the creep to go away.
Yeah I have a CZ75b too with the Omega trigger. Amazing. I dry fired the trigger on the P-10c. It struck me that the trigger wasn't bad but not as good as the VP9's or PDP but way better than the Glock's. It is a smoother trigger than my G19 IMO. I bought my G19 with upgraded sights... You pretty much have to. I think the stock triggers on Glocks ain't great. To be precise with a Glock I need to really focus the first few shots where my VP9 or Walther are auto hit. Also they don't send you a bag of plates that suck like Glock plates. At least be as harsh to the Glock that a lot of people accept as "perfection" which has been sitting on its arse soaking up cash with a not so great trigger and throw away plastic sights for similar money. The only guns that came fully good to go were my VP9 which was considerably more expensive and a P320c Pro the internet hates but I like and shoot well. Anyway to deck out a Glock similarly you are spending more money IMO. A lot of your gripes are generic. The tactile loaded chamber indicator holds water. I don't buy into them anyway. Always assume the gun is loaded. Does it point better than a Glock. IMO yes. Fully supported chamber is better than Glock's. I have not shot it yet, but I would like to say it took a longer time to become proficient at shooting a Glock than other types of pistols that point more naturally and even a Steyr M9 (one of my favorite polymer guns) is easier to index because the ergonomics mate better with my hand giving you a clue on how to hold it and the trigger is light and clean, hence I shoot it more naturally despite the Glock angle. It is Glockesque because a pissed off engineer whose design change suggestions for the Gen 2 were ignored, so he went across the street. Having not shot it, I will withhold judgement. However, I suspect it will naturally shoot well out of the box and being an aficionado of all things CZ, I like the fit and finish, which is great. I don't hate my Glock. It's weight per round is great and also it's AK-like simplicity, but IMO they innovate less and it shows. That's my objection to "Glock Perfection". Also the Steyr out Glocks the Glock because it's non-confusing ergo's give you a natural sense of how to point it better. Also the triggers on almost all current polymer pistols are superior even the latest Taurus pistols. There was a slight update on the Gen 5 but it was minor not as dramatic as M&P 1.0 to 2.0.
I love your reviews because your format is very consistent and you are thorough. I think you have an internal bias to Glocks as do many LE professionals, and I respect LE professionals, but you guys have been subjected to Glock marketing more than most which is quite good. I picked this pistol up and it spoke to me in handling it in a way that the Glock did not. I might act on that but a CZ Shadow 2 for $999 is calling to me. That pistol is next.
P.S. Glock marketing should never have gone with "Glock Perfection". It smacks of arrogance. Engineers should never be done. They should have more accurately gone with "Glock Simplicity" or "Glocksimple". It better suits the gun in reality.
I don't really disagree with anything in your post. If, however, you are of the opinion that I am a Glock fan, I must disabuse you of that notion.
I've had similar experiences, with Remington Corp, as well as Walther, plus Walther is extremely expensive.Be certain what you receive for your costs..on a good note.. Henry, and Beretta, Ptr corp... Armalite...plus Weatherby, all treat a customer, as if he or she, is a special part of their business..Even off brands doing ak builds, treat a person better then who've I' ve mentioned unfavorably...HR ROCKS....
I absolutely love my CZ-75b and SP-01 but have never even handled a P10-C. I’m curious to see what you think. I’ve heard they rust easily.
So far, at least, I have not had that problem.
I noticed yours is made in Kansas City Kansas. Mine is made is Czech Republic. Mine is a 2021 made and not optics ready. I personally wanted the Czech made on figuring better made and qc
Unfortunately, I also got 1 of the lemon 🍋 trigger safety catching the frame released run model. What did you had to do to resolve the trigger safety rubbing the frame issue? Please help 🙏
I was able to get a piece of sandpaper behind the drop safety and remove just enough material to alleviate the problem.
I personally own the 1st gen P10c and a P10f. The trigger on the P10c is a lot better and I think it has to do with redesign of the trigger bar on the newer P10 series. I know that no gun is perfect and everyone has its flaws but out the box the P10 series are at the top 2. Great ergos, low recoil, easy to shoot especially for beginners, lower bore axis and the trigger. I have added a HBi striker reduced spring and have almost about 1,000 rds and 2 classes with it. I also have own M&Ps 2.0, VP9, P320, P30 and STI, P10's by far are top 3.
Good! I hope your P10's continue to work well for you. Thanks for watching!
I have a P -10-C and PDP. Get a P10C for the price and flat shooting, but don’t expect the trigger to feel or be as crisp as a PDP. It’s better than a Glock, but not comparable to a PDP.
I really wanted one these or an H&k VP9 . What are your thoughts on which is more reliable , accurate , and worth the new markup price in this new price gouging era. I can't stop buying. It's an addiction , but I can make better choices instead of just filling my safe and then needing a another .
I have never shot a VP9, so I can't really answer your question. Sorry.
I own the cz75b omega great pistol I just wish other companies would stand behind their products like s&w that gives you a lifetime warranty and they honor it I notice a lot of companies only offer a one year warranty and the customer service is not that great I bought a CANIK TP9SF 18 round magazine just to give it a shot it has a great trigger and great reset lifetime warranty also.
Part of the reason S&W pistols cost a little more than others is to pay for that warranty.
Hi when did you make this cz video? I'm considering buying one and there much cheaper today less the $400.00 thanks great video
Looks like I posted this review in January of 2022.
I'm still considering buying one from Bass Pro Shops I think I get the best deals from them with discounts I hope they updated the gun in 2 years up to par to say thank you
Thanks for a very thorough review. I have never owned anything CZ makes, but I know many people love their guns. Maybe someday.
You're welcome Alan. Thanks for watching!
GREAT - thorough, demonstrated, and employing your superb depth of experience - review, Howard. THANK YOU.
As you are very well aware, like you believe CZ autoloaders, based on the fundamental and outstanding 75 deign, are terrific firearms. I won’t elaborate here, simply becuase I have iterated the reasons so often. I would wager that fundamentally what happened with the P10 was CZ’s senior management (possibly CZ USA more so than CZ in the Czech Republic) correctly saw the “Gun Couture 2.0” marketplace rapidly shifting toward Glock-like designs (polymer frames, striker fired, no external thumb safety, etc.) and understandably believed they needed to compete in that arena. LOTS of individuals simply would - and will - not consider hammer fired, or .40 S&W, or all metal, or DA/SA designs, although I believe that is incredibly myopic and foolish. So, CZ semi-rushed the P10’a development and production, and they didn’t devote the effort, the thought and the capital necessary to attain a truly outstanding firearm.
In fairness to CZ, however, imho Glock - the market’s dominant competition - also produces a good, but not a great semiautomatic (I can’t stand Gl;oak’s sights, trigger, ergonomics, although I own a G36 and a G23C). I’d further speculate that many/most contemporary sidearm purchasers want a “good” - but not necessarily a superb -m Glock-like weapon . . . and CRUCIALLY,, they do not have the experience or the knowledge to appreciate the subtle, nuanced differences between (for example) today’s batch of “wonder nines” and the Sigs, H&Ks. Berettas, S&Ws, CZSs of 25 years ago.
To illustrate this point slightly further, we both can remember (let’s say in the 1970’s or 1980’s) when military personnel and law enforcement officers would want personal sidearms of the highest quality (such as S&W K,L and N Frame pre-Hillary revolvers, 1911A1s, Beretta 92 series, Sig P series autoloaders, and so forth). Now, however, Gloaks, M17s/M18s, etc. are the service sidearms . . . and they are VERY good, VERY functional, VERY reliable, VERY simple, and comparatively very inexpensive. What they are not is very “fine” craftsmanship.
I completely agree Roy. In fact, just last night I was discussing this very topic. The current state of CAD/CNC firearm production has created very functional, and relatively affordable firearms, but we have lost the craftsmen and artisans who took pride in manufacturing high quality rifles, shotguns and pistols. Unfortunately, people like us can remember a time when those folks enthusiastically plied their various trades, and we lement their passing. Ironically, anyone younger than about 30 has no memory of them and no appreciation for what we've lost.
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Amen, my friend. And - much as I despise saying it - the firearms in the marketplace today generally are darn good and darn affordable. So, if I were the Federal official who (for example) were deciding what sidearm(s) would be issued to the Bureau, I’d absolutely select from a group the several/many 9x19mm, striker fired, polymer framed, modern designs. I am CERTAIN that DoJ’s Comptroller would financially insist on that, and money is ALWAYS a vital decision metric. BUT, while they are practical and very effective, they are not artisan craftsmanship.
I like the CZ firearms.
Short answer : YES !👍
Love the honest review. Just got one myself, so far I love it. Although I've heard the infamous trigger doesn't set in until at least 500 rounds... Can't confirm quite yet, but soon! Also mine doesn't have the same issue with the drop safety catching, but each piece is different right? Glad I found your channel with this video, you have my sub! Much better than the typical fan boys, I appreciate the honesty!
So far I’ve got 2000 dry-fire cycles on mine and the trigger still feels the same.
I can here talk about guns all day,Sir.
Thanks. Me too!
Another thing that I noticed that CZ should have done to this model is elongated the rail sections on the frame where the slide rails run on. It looks like they could’ve added a little more towards the rear on the part above the trigger.
Probably so, but I’ve never heard of an issue with them as they are.
18:28 it’s better than nothing. Most guns don’t have any indicator at all!
I have a Holosun 407K on my CZ10C. My locale gunsmith milled my slide, installed the sights and I'm able to co witness with stock sights. He's done the same thing on my Sig P320, each coast $120.00.
That is more expensive but likely less annoying than buying the Optics Ready version and finding out you have to cough up another $40 to mount an optic!
@@hrfunk Thank you for your quick reply sir. Usually when I comment/ask a question, I get no reply from the creator nor any other reply. The 407K is a single 6moa red dot. The 507K has the three different reticles and a smaller moa as the original 507C. For me and my 73 yo eyes, the 6moa is a little easier to find quickly....for me. I've enjoyed your series of LEO qualification in different States and by different "alphabet" branch. Thank you again sir for a quick reply.
@@douglassalley9117 you are most welcome Doug. Thanks for watching!
I have a CZ 75 that I was kinda "Meh" about. Bought a 75 SP01 that I absolutely fell in love with. It's everything good thing I ever heard about CZs. Because of that SP01, I bought a P01. I'm better than "Meh" about it, but not in love with it (very gritty double action trigger, unlike the SP01). For me, when CZ is good, they're very, very good. But, like any manufacturer, they're not always good. Still, when I move to a free state, I'd love to get my hands on a P07 or P09. Light-weight and hammer fired sounds like my ticket.
I’ve been kind of lukewarm to the P07s and P09’s I’ve handled.
You must be in CA. Hopefully the courts throw out the handgun roster sooner than later.
The absence of optics ready sights is a problem with most manufacturers today, even the Walther PDP. FN and M&P Performance Center models are some rare exceptions.
If they just made the PDP sights like a millimeter taller outa the box they would have gave me a reasonable co-witness with my Vortex Viper. As is I can barely barely use them because they perfectly align with the red dot's base so the second the front sight post disappears you know the sights are on. I've shot fairly accurately doing this but I don't think it would be a very easy to pull off in a situation where you needed backup sights.
@Watario Vids I concur. I installed Night Fision tritium optics height sights on my P10C and PDP and they work great, presenting somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 co-witness.
@@watariovids1645 I agree. I know you could switch out the PDP with Glock suppressor height sights if you want to cowitness, but I feel like the optic cut for the PDP is already really low. If they barely increased the height of the stock sights, you could cowitness right out of the box. Such a missed opportunity
I have the CZ P-09 in 40s&w and it's an awesome one ... always wanted a P-10c ...just never bought one ..
I was a Glock fan. P10 C is better built Glock 19. Just bought it. I have many Berettas, Rutgers, M&Ps. Sigs. Best quality. Reasonable price. Finest pistol. I will soon buy optics ready soon. Will sell others to buy more CZ.
I’m just curious, what makes the P10C better built than the Glock 19?
I will say it again, H.R. does the best firearm reviews, very thorough and well explained. I previously owned the CZ P10-F fullsize and was not impressed at all for many of the reasons H.R. pointed out, especially the trigger, mine had to much grit and creep, worse than any Glock trigger I have ever tried. Thank you again H.R. for your excellent review. Looking forward to the range portion.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
My OR CZ came with 3 mags, and the tritium filled rear sight. The CZ branded plates are available from midway USA and are in stock. Also noticed yours is made in Kansas, mine doesn’t have the same trigger issue and mine is made in Czech.
There seem to be several differences between the Czech produced P10s and those made here in the US. I’m not sure why that is.
@@hrfunk Possible because of the tooling equipment in the different locations, Kansas being newer (I think)
CZ does make RMR steel plates. So does Cajun gun works. I have a RMR cut cz plate for the Holosun 507C-XS. They provide the screws. It is around 40 to 50$ . The fit is great.
That’s good to know, but I still think they should be included with the pistol.
Great review, very thorough.
Thanks Jesse!
Great job Chief... Spot on...
Thank you!
My P10S non-optic ready has the very same sights
I know when hrfunk review’s a firearm, you can take that information to the bank!
Cpl. Funk, CZs are pretty nice. I'll probably never get one because I have others on my bucket list like the SA-35. Gr8 vid as usual. 🔫 🇺🇸
Thank you!
Love my P10F. Good honest review.
Thank you!
I haven't bought anything from any of these online gougers in a long time especially ammo and sights. It's not enough with wanting silly prices for the product but they're making 100% profit on shipping costs.
I know. The vid seems to have been a positive thing for some businesses.
@@hrfunk always like your videos no matter the topic always good clean down home content, be very careful up there and we appreciate you and your time, it's all worth it 👍
I had the same issue with the trigger dingus hitting the frame. I sent to CZ and they fixed it.
I fixed mine without a great deal of difficulty. Still, having to do so it was annoying. I'm glad they took care of yours. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk Agreed. I thought about filing it down just a touch like you had, but it was my first handgun and I was afraid of messing something up haha. I will say, the trigger does feel a bit lighter and smoother after a few hundred rounds, but I didn’t measure it or anything.
Thanks for the review. I am a CZ fan for sure, but they just don't get it some times. Why would you put out an optic ready gun and not put suppressor height sights on it from the factory for co-witness opportunities. Also there is no threaded barrel option for the optics ready gun that I have seen. If you could find one, I would buy it immediately. I have not seen a P10C OR in over a year or so. At least one plate free is a no go for me. I will not purchase a P10 OR in any version until they correct this shortcoming.
I hope they come around.
The optic ready models are made in the USA so that might affect price compared to models made in Czech Republic. But all prices are still up my dad bought a Taurus G3c last week for $442!!!
My wife bought one a few weeks ago. On sale I think it was $345. The price for just about everything is very random right now. That said, I based my comments regarding the P10C on CZ’s MSRP as well as what I actually paid for this pistol.
I recently got one for my duty gun for security and it feels great in my hands and I've seen good reviews for it. I have one mag in the gun which is a 17 rounder and my other two are 15 rounders.
Good! I hope it serves you well for a long time. Thanks for watching.
That Safariland holster looks like one of their "Universal fit" holsters, I'm sure with some adjustments it will drop right in...Mine fits a 6390 rds perfect. That said when I install my X300 the light sits lower on the rail then a Glock 19 which causes the battery compartment tab to impact the kydex a bit. Nothing a few swipes with a dremmel couldn't fix
I can’t really modify that holster because I need it to work with my issued Glock. I ended up purchasing an Alien Gear holster for the P10. Just for fun I tested the fit with the Glock 19. It didn’t fit.
@@hrfunk I've found that with Safariland you can order a holster that's purpose built for the CZ but none will accommodate a light. With mine all I had to to was knock the sharp edge off with the dremmel (hardly noticeable) that said It will work without doing so. However when re-holstering that raised portion of the battery compartment take a little beating
Im a little confised why yours has no markings on the right side of the slide.
Beats me.
Got to the range yesterday to try my Sig m18, the thing's amazing! it's becoming my go to pistol.....and yet I walk out the store with 2 more guns then what I had walked in because the range store had a Springfield Garrison 1911 in stainless steel AND a Smith and Wesson 686 plus with 2.5 inch barrel....I need someone to yank my wallet away from me XD
I'm reading this as I'm headed out to go 1911 shopping!
Totally agree with your evaluation of this pistol, that's why I never bought one. Just one of many G19 clones. S&W M&Ps are still the best OR pistols, most others should be called optics "capable".
I think you’re right. Although, the IWI Masada is pretty well equipped (except for the standard-height sights).
@@hrfunk Took my CZ75B Omega out today, still the best DA/SA pistol made, that grip is perfection.
I love the grip on mine too. Long love the 75!
I still love the m&p 2.0 trigger I think it's super crisp much better than a glock and a bit better than my p320
Believe it or not, I still prefer the trigger on my early 1.0. I don’t know why Smith ever changed those original trigger parts.
I think smith and wesson got it right I do like the hing trigger too
Great review on this.
Thank you!
Good review. Would love to see your thoughts on the canik series of pistols, specifically the Mete and or Rival
If I get a hold of one, you will see it. Thanks for watching!
I had a 1st gen CZ-P10C which had to go back to CZ after a couple of thousand rds. thru it for breaking striker pins. What they sent back was a brand new 2nd gen CZ-P10C with a massive trigger upgrade & right handed only mag release with raised mag release guard. They sent back my Theta trigger from HB Industries which I immediately reinstalled as well as the lighter striker assy. spring. I now have zero mush before the trigger breaks like glass and no problem with the trigger safety hanging up thanks to the Theta trigger. I made a video of the trigger pull weight and it breaking like glass but don't know how to upload it for you to watch. Any suggestions?
If it’s short you can email it to me at hrfunk@zoominternet.net . That said, most of the time, shooters who are issued a pistol are not permitted to change the trigger for liability reasons. I know the trigger on many firearms can be improved with aftermarket options. For the stated reason, however, I rarely modify my triggers.
Another good and informative video!
I've got an OD Green CZ 75b, bought 10 years ago, 10 rounds through it.
Do you not like it or are you just trying to keep it in pristine condition?
@@hrfunk Hey Mr. Funk, I love it but I don't get out much anymore, 76yrs young. I,m working on some M1As and polytec M14s. I was a U.S. Navy Seabee 68-72, loved the Navy chow.
Understood. Thanks for watching Jose!