Good review, than you for making it. The title is a bit confusing, though. The software reviewed is not scanning software. That would be programs like Vuescan or Silver Fast. The programs that you tested are negative converters. Cheers.
I definitely share your experience with NLP, sometimes it just gets a bit funky. That being said. I’ve tried it against every conversation software that I’m aware of on the market and NLP always wins on average. Also when I find NLP doing something goofy it’s really easy to correct with the built in controls. I usually find it has to do with the black/white point being wrong and creating too much contrast and saturation in an image that doesn’t necessarily have pure white/black. I’ll back off the black clip sometimes to -20 or so. Also set the clip algorithm to Linear when setting clipping to negative values. Weird color things happen when you do it with the “preserve color balance” clip setting.
This was a super interesting video. I currently use NLP and haven't tried anything else yet, except from manual conversion in PS and letting scanner software do the job. Seems like continuing with NLP is the best current option based on your results. I'd love to see a version of NLP that could be used with Bridge/ACR/PS as I've only LR on my main PC. A completely stand alone version would of course be even better. Btw, from the title I expected a test of scanning software like VueScan, Silverfast and maybe Epson Scan and not negative conversion software.
I love photography, not editing. My Epson scanner with either Epson or Silverfast software works just fine for 120. For 135, I digitise with Valoi and convert with Filmlab. Works fine. For individual images, I can later use an editor. So what’s this video for?
I thought these were for scanners, no cameras. I see camera shooting film more as a macro photo shoot than a scanning process - I use a dedicated film scanner, that's why I was attracted to this video. Thanks, anyway.
Taking photos of a negative is not scanning. The title is misleading since the workflow is done on a negative image taken with a digital camera. Taking that out of the way, nice comparison and thank you for sharing.
@@swift4567 HAHAHAHAHAHA! Funny guy... Certainly not your digital camera. The fact there's a lens and a digital sensor there does not make it a camera. Cars and planes share engines, tyres, seats, windows, but this doesn't make them the same thing. No problem doing macr photography on 35mm or any other format. But that's not scanning film, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
@@joseerazevedo What's your definition of a camera and a film scanner then? A camera is simply a light tight device with a lens and an image recording system at the other end. I'm afraid all you'll find under the hood of a frontier, noritsu, or literally any other type of film scanner other than a flatbed (not a film scanner) is a lens and a CCD sensor, the only difference is these are enclosed inside a housing that says scanner.
I tried the Film Lab app. It does an awful job on B&W conversions, clipping the highlights badly unless you go in to every single frame and tweak the settings. I convert in batch. I need my scanning software to provide decent scans in batch mode with no clipping. With NLP I get that. I fine tune photos in LR and only on photos that I rate 3 stars or higher. I really wanted to like Film Lab, because I am a LR user, not LRC, but I just couldn’t live with the results. So I will have to keep going into LRC for my negative conversions. It’s a minor annoyance.
Great Channel. Really enjoy watching. Keep the good work coming.
Thanks a lot!
Good review, than you for making it. The title is a bit confusing, though. The software reviewed is not scanning software. That would be programs like Vuescan or Silver Fast. The programs that you tested are negative converters. Cheers.
If you do not want that blue in CineStill Tungsten film shot under daylight, try an 85C filter on your lens
Do I assume the negatives were scanned with a digital camera?
Yes
Love saucy fisherman Matt!
I definitely share your experience with NLP, sometimes it just gets a bit funky.
That being said. I’ve tried it against every conversation software that I’m aware of on the market and NLP always wins on average.
Also when I find NLP doing something goofy it’s really easy to correct with the built in controls. I usually find it has to do with the black/white point being wrong and creating too much contrast and saturation in an image that doesn’t necessarily have pure white/black.
I’ll back off the black clip sometimes to -20 or so. Also set the clip algorithm to Linear when setting clipping to negative values. Weird color things happen when you do it with the “preserve color balance” clip setting.
This was a super interesting video. I currently use NLP and haven't tried anything else yet, except from manual conversion in PS and letting scanner software do the job. Seems like continuing with NLP is the best current option based on your results. I'd love to see a version of NLP that could be used with Bridge/ACR/PS as I've only LR on my main PC. A completely stand alone version would of course be even better.
Btw, from the title I expected a test of scanning software like VueScan, Silverfast and maybe Epson Scan and not negative conversion software.
Great test, thanks.
I love photography, not editing. My Epson scanner with either Epson or Silverfast software works just fine for 120. For 135, I digitise with Valoi and convert with Filmlab. Works fine. For individual images, I can later use an editor. So what’s this video for?
I thought these were for scanners, no cameras. I see camera shooting film more as a macro photo shoot than a scanning process - I use a dedicated film scanner, that's why I was attracted to this video. Thanks, anyway.
How do you think a film scanner works?
@@swift4567 there are gremlins inside it photographing the negatives with a digital camera and a macro lens, isn't it?
You forgot Darktable and the module negadoctor
And Grain2Pixel, free and better than all of these
Only problem with this video I don't use Lightroom.
Taking photos of a negative is not scanning. The title is misleading since the workflow is done on a negative image taken with a digital camera. Taking that out of the way, nice comparison and thank you for sharing.
Agree. That's macro shooting
I’m curious what you think is inside a film scanner
@@swift4567 HAHAHAHAHAHA! Funny guy...
Certainly not your digital camera. The fact there's a lens and a digital sensor there does not make it a camera.
Cars and planes share engines, tyres, seats, windows, but this doesn't make them the same thing.
No problem doing macr photography on 35mm or any other format. But that's not scanning film, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
@@joseerazevedoI think you will be surprised to find out what is under the hood of an imacon then haha
@@joseerazevedo What's your definition of a camera and a film scanner then? A camera is simply a light tight device with a lens and an image recording system at the other end. I'm afraid all you'll find under the hood of a frontier, noritsu, or literally any other type of film scanner other than a flatbed (not a film scanner) is a lens and a CCD sensor, the only difference is these are enclosed inside a housing that says scanner.
I tried the Film Lab app. It does an awful job on B&W conversions, clipping the highlights badly unless you go in to every single frame and tweak the settings. I convert in batch. I need my scanning software to provide decent scans in batch mode with no clipping. With NLP I get that. I fine tune photos in LR and only on photos that I rate 3 stars or higher. I really wanted to like Film Lab, because I am a LR user, not LRC, but I just couldn’t live with the results. So I will have to keep going into LRC for my negative conversions. It’s a minor annoyance.