A Sudoku In The Danger Zone

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  • Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025

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  • @marklindsey1995
    @marklindsey1995 Год назад +11

    Me to wife: Want to watch a movie tonight?
    Wife: Sure. What did you have in mind?
    Me: It's complicated....

  • @tremkl
    @tremkl Год назад +54

    Simon: I have to leave the house in two hours.
    *Jay Dyer has entered the chat*

  • @jaydyer3999
    @jaydyer3999 Год назад +38

    Thanks for the feature! I wondered if you would appreciate the title, but the reference was actually accidental. I was looking for a punny title that alluded to country road and killers/danger/something like that. Highway to the Danger Zone popped into my head, which I hadn't realised before was from Top Gun, but when I saw the link that sealed the deal.

    • @Harry-qq2ww
      @Harry-qq2ww Год назад

      What an unbelievable puzzle - I feel so proud of solving it, I can't imagine how you'd set something like this!

    • @qazpig
      @qazpig Год назад +1

      Incredible puzzle

    • @lsmoothify
      @lsmoothify Год назад +1

      took me a little over 3 hours. Gotta say I just love your puzzles :)

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish Год назад +32

    Preface (written after the rest of the post): This is definitely not a complaint. I got to watch a feature length film with an (in my head) alternate ending. What an awesome experience.
    @2:02:11 "It must turn...we don't know whether [r9c7] is blue or not." But if it's potentially not blue, doesn't that mean the loop isn't forced to go up? If it's not blue, continuing straight wouldn't tarnish the count of 6 in blue. ...
    I've now finished the video. And I didn't get a satisfactory answer so I'm going to try to find one. ... Okay, this didn't take long once I knew what to look for. The only sudoku decision based on the line from that point (my given timestamp) on the solve on was the decision to put 5 into r7c6. But you don't need that line to get a 5 there. It's the only place 5 can go in box 8 by sudoku already. Knowing the sudoku path onward puts 7 in r4c7 and 1 in r8c9, the 0 cage right at the end, the cages by the same logic that limited the grey cage.

    • @jvitanza8483
      @jvitanza8483 Год назад +3

      You are right, and Simon overlooked it (I do this all the time, mind you). You can actually deduce that the >0 cage has a 1 in it at this point, and that extra bit of information lets you know that the loop doesn't go into the blue region there.

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад +1

      @@jvitanza8483 Now I’m trying to figure out Marks 27:00ish fiasco from yesterday.

  • @chomikhunter
    @chomikhunter Год назад +9

    2:44:15! This puzzle is 100% the best sudoku I have ever done. I can't imagine what was going on behind Jay Dyer's mind while creating this! I can't put into words how beautiful the logic was and how amazing it felt to finish this fiendishly difficult sudoku that even took Simon 2 hours! This was a SPECTACULAR puzzle.

  • @shteevuk
    @shteevuk Год назад +1

    This is definitely one of the hardest puzzles I've ever seen on the channel

  • @AlamBarmaja
    @AlamBarmaja Год назад +28

    when i see a 2 hours video then Simon says: do have a go
    me to my brain: don't even try to have a go.

  • @sumantrabhattacharya728
    @sumantrabhattacharya728 Год назад +2

    This was definitely one of the most beautiful sudoku puzzles I've come across.

  • @gregs2284
    @gregs2284 Год назад +6

    At 1:33:46 you removed a pencil mark that R3C5 had a minimum value of 4 and penciled 1468 instead. You often remove pencil marks when cleaning up without noting what's there previously. In this case you even restated that that cell can't be a 1 on one of your digressions but leave the pencil mark there. If you had removed it you would have seen that 1 only had one cell in the row and that forced a 1 into orange which forced it to extend right which forced yellow to extend right which forced grey to extend right ...

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      It's not just Simon. Yesterday, Mark had 7s corner pencil marked in box 4 and completely ignored them over the center pencil marked 7's for what felt like an hour. I might have mentioned it in comment yesterday, but the method he used to get rid of the 6 and 7 in r3c2 would have been necessary whether or not he had already gotten rid of the 7. But, as they both say occasionally, a live solve is going to have oversights and especially when the puzzles are hard enough to make a 2 hour video.

    • @esonsee
      @esonsee Год назад

      Yeah. I've been screaming about this. It happens all the time to Simon when he "cleans up" pencil mark but end up just further confuse himself with unnecessary information.

  • @mashkasart
    @mashkasart Год назад +9

    I was literally recording my friends a voice message like ten minutes ago, abt how I absolutely love your longer videos, and then I check RUclips and this absolute masterpiece is here

  • @davidrattner9
    @davidrattner9 Год назад +17

    It is top gun. Sung by Kenny Loggins Danger zone is the official song. Theme to both movies. Absolutely great song!!

    • @chipsounder4633
      @chipsounder4633 Год назад +2

      Archer has an episode where he seeks kenny loggins to play at lanas baby shower 😂😂 yeah its the top gun song

    • @grimsqueaker5333
      @grimsqueaker5333 Год назад

      Yep. That's where I get the Danger Zone references too.

    • @terracottapie
      @terracottapie Год назад

      I got that it's a Top Gun reference which is broadly relevant to CtC, but what did it have to do with this specific puzzle?l

    • @grimsqueaker5333
      @grimsqueaker5333 Год назад

      @@terracottapie the name of the puzzle is Danger Zone, which is also the name of the theme song from Top Gun.

    • @terracottapie
      @terracottapie Год назад

      @@grimsqueaker5333 Yeah, read my comment again. I get that it's a Top Gun reference, I'm saying what is it about this puzzle that makes it relevant to be the puzzle title.

  • @inspiringsand123
    @inspiringsand123 Год назад +35

    Rules: 04:34
    Let's Get Cracking: 08:15
    What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
    Maverick: 7x (00:31, 00:31, 01:16, 28:13, 30:01, 30:01, 1:44:25)
    Bobbins: 3x (1:14:39, 1:25:14, 1:48:25)
    Three In the Corner: 3x (28:01, 28:11, 1:58:36)
    The Secret: 2x (10:53, 11:03)
    Chocolate Teapot: 1x (51:44)
    And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
    Ah: 27x (08:57, 18:58, 21:18, 21:41, 26:10, 27:15, 27:15, 32:20, 39:36, 46:20, 48:25, 1:03:14, 1:04:07, 1:08:03, 1:09:16, 1:14:08, 1:21:23, 1:22:22, 1:25:14, 1:30:19, 1:36:04, 1:40:32, 1:47:35, 2:02:32, 2:05:38, 2:06:03, 2:08:17)
    Hang On: 20x (16:24, 16:32, 16:32, 16:34, 21:18, 29:33, 29:33, 29:33, 29:33, 33:44, 1:00:32, 1:06:16, 1:09:03, 1:16:55, 1:18:13, 1:18:13, 1:43:37, 1:47:27, 2:01:17, 2:01:20)
    Sorry: 16x (32:20, 50:55, 51:00, 1:09:06, 1:10:20, 1:18:38, 1:19:43, 1:26:41, 1:33:22, 1:39:14, 1:46:28, 1:46:54, 1:53:19, 1:57:02, 1:57:11, 1:57:13)
    By Sudoku: 9x (31:07, 43:49, 43:49, 1:05:00, 1:11:08, 1:17:41, 1:27:56, 1:33:12, 2:03:38)
    In Fact: 9x (08:41, 08:41, 16:16, 16:16, 27:54, 1:06:06, 1:18:27, 1:22:32, 1:34:48)
    Obviously: 9x (30:01, 33:25, 53:46, 54:01, 57:43, 1:36:43, 1:52:09, 1:57:13, 1:59:08)
    Beautiful: 8x (22:00, 22:41, 26:24, 41:06, 1:47:35, 1:48:05, 1:53:28, 2:07:49)
    Wow: 5x (53:19, 1:07:38, 1:24:59, 1:47:27, 1:56:57)
    Stuck: 4x (1:25:51, 1:49:16, 1:51:02, 1:56:57)
    What Does This Mean?: 4x (30:39, 1:41:48, 2:00:57, 2:06:43)
    Clever: 3x (1:14:16, 1:55:29, 2:07:44)
    I Have no Clue: 3x (20:30, 50:27)
    Lovely: 3x (27:26, 1:18:37, 2:06:13)
    Brilliant: 3x (08:09, 20:28, 28:09)
    Surely: 3x (44:18, 45:51, 1:33:27)
    That's Huge: 3x (1:41:08, 2:01:39, 2:01:39)
    Pencil Mark/mark: 3x (09:04, 1:29:33, 1:33:52)
    Cake!: 3x (02:20, 02:25, 03:09)
    Goodness: 2x (57:04, 2:07:27)
    Incredible: 2x (00:38, 00:38)
    Shouting: 2x (02:40, 33:49)
    Whoopsie: 2x (55:52, 1:10:48)
    Nature: 2x (37:54, 53:46)
    What on Earth: 1x (1:12:11)
    Apologies: 1x (1:58:50)
    Nonsense: 1x (1:25:12)
    Bingo: 1x (1:48:14)
    In the Spotlight: 1x (28:04)
    Horrible Feeling: 1x (1:13:12)
    Ridiculous: 1x (1:07:40)
    Astonishing: 1x (2:07:49)
    Going Mad: 1x (1:50:54)
    Discombobulating: 1x (01:17)
    Bonkers: 1x (06:05)
    Phone is Buzzing: 1x (30:41)
    Progress: 1x (1:30:11)
    Plonk: 1x (1:55:51)
    Phone is Going Nuts: 1x (1:32:48)
    Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video:
    Sixteen (27 mentions)
    One (151 mentions)
    Green (105 mentions)
    Antithesis Battles:
    Even (13) - Odd (0)
    Higher (2) - Lower (0)
    Black (6) - White (1)
    Row (10) - Column (9)
    FAQ:
    Q1: You missed something!
    A1: That could very well be the case! Human speech can be hard to understand for computers like me! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn!
    Q2: Can you do this for another channel?
    A2: I've been thinking about that and wrote some code to make that possible. Let me know which channel you think would be a good fit!

    • @smylesg
      @smylesg Год назад +1

      6:58 Maybe if we add it here, Simon will remember to "restart my (his) device" sometime when he's not recording.

    • @creativename3256
      @creativename3256 Год назад

      7 Mavericks? 😂

    • @ymiros0953
      @ymiros0953 Год назад

      Chocolate teapot? :D

  • @crhodgkin
    @crhodgkin Год назад +23

    Jay Dyer + 2-hour solve - so excited!! Also, as much as I LOVE the song "Danger Zone," this is the first time I have ever seen the lyrics written as, "HIGHWAY to the Danger Zone" and not (as I incorrectly heard, apparently), "I WENT to the Danger Zone." Thirty+ years of listening to this wonderful song and belting out the wrong lyrics at full volume (since I was a small child): Mind. Blown.

    • @xOscarAx
      @xOscarAx Год назад

      i went back to listen to the song. and i can see how you were confused. i can literally hear him say it both ways

  • @HunterJE
    @HunterJE Год назад +3

    There are other setters more prolific on the channel in number-of-puzzles terms but I'll bet if one were to crunch the numbers Jay Dyer is right up near the top in terms of runtime

  • @puritan7473
    @puritan7473 Год назад +2

    Wow, mind blown. These Are my very favorite kind of puzzles ... ones so hard I just have to sit back and watch Simon work it all out! Well done Simon, this was fascinating to watch!

  • @emilywilliams3237
    @emilywilliams3237 Год назад +2

    Beyond me entirely, this puzzle, but so very enjoyable to watch you solve, Simon. As usual for a region-defining and loop puzzle, your approach is so amazing and impressive. I am very glad when you (or Mark) mention that live solves are not perfect solves. This is very true, yet many commenters on various CtC videos seem to expect that of you (or Mark). I, personally, am never disappointed when you make mistakes, larger or small (either of you) because there is always something to appreciate about how you recover from the mistakes. Whether a pencil mark, an unnecessary proof of something that has already been proven, or an actual mistake in putting digits into the puzzle, it is all perfectly OK with me because I enjoy watching you so much. Thank you for this amazing video and thanks to Jay Dyer for the puzzle. (I'm typing this having had to come back to this video today to finish it, and it is now June 8, the date when one of my two favorite RUclips sudoku solvers was born - Happy Birthday, Simon!)

    • @ymiros0953
      @ymiros0953 Год назад +1

      I don't think anyone expects them t o actually solve perfectly. Real mistakes or rather leaps in the logic should of course be pointed out so that other viewers can understand how to solve the puzzle without those leaps since most of the time there will be some sort of explanation arising. And for other things like missing simple deductions I think it's just natural that once you see them you're itching to fill them in and they keep distracting you until they are filled in. I for one am always yelling at Simon to fill in some easy useless deduction while he goes on a journey to discover some great bits of logic I would've taken hours to figure out, but it is all in jest, of course I am not actually mad at Simon and for me it has become part of the enjoyment of these solves

    • @emilywilliams3237
      @emilywilliams3237 Год назад

      @@ymiros0953 Yes, I totally get this - and I confess that I very occasionally will say out loud something like, "But column 4 already has a 6 in it!" Not shouting at my screen, you understand, because my husband would look askance at me! And I agree that for many folks the pleasure is, at least in part, in being quicker and smarter than Simon or Mark, and I get that, too. I would not have mentioned this topic in my comment on this video if Simon had not said what he did about live solves. (I also agree that they should follow up a leap of logic or a logical error with a correct explanation - but for me, if it is a puzzle where Simon or Mark would make a logical error, I would probably not be able to follow even a correct logical path, let alone understand and recognize a logical error! So those don't bother me as much as they should, and I take my cue from comments sometimes to discover that there even was a logical error!) Also, and I am sure you picked this up, I really only comment "for myself" - that is, I say the things that struck me, or impressed me or that I enjoyed. 😊

  • @馬善萄
    @馬善萄 Год назад +3

    122:19 for me. I am pleased that I can finish this puzzle without any help! I got so much joy on solving it!

  • @tokerthegreen6968
    @tokerthegreen6968 Год назад +13

    At 2:02:24, how come the loop couldn't continue from the blue cage into box 9? If the next cell was a different colored region the loop could have continued and not been forced up into the

    • @chitraagarwal8259
      @chitraagarwal8259 Год назад

      Because 5 would be repeated

    • @braedonborschawa1883
      @braedonborschawa1883 Год назад +2

      Incorrect deduction at the time, but it didn’t affect the sudoku portion he completed after which would have resolved this by not allowing the 5 to repeat in blue, and the 1 loop clue would have also prevented it.

    • @rohitgaba
      @rohitgaba Год назад +1

      Agree, at that point it was not clear. Correct deduction would have been that clue value 1 from the grid 9th forced the loop at r9c6 to move upwards. otherwise the loop would have covered more than 1 cell in 9th grid and that would have invalidated clue value 1.

    • @tokerthegreen6968
      @tokerthegreen6968 Год назад

      He was correct. I just thought it was a bit of a hasty decision.

  • @nikkiking4044
    @nikkiking4044 Год назад +35

    "The sponge is a waste of calories"....no truer statement has ever been said!! 😂

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад +2

      Somehow I missed that. Timestamp please?

    • @ymiros0953
      @ymiros0953 Год назад +1

      @@flobiish Obviously in the birthday announcements, 2:30

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      @@ymiros0953 Thanks. Often I skip straight to the rules.

  • @inwalters
    @inwalters Год назад +21

    Since this is my first time being able to comment when the video comes out, I want to repeat my suggestion of a Boxing Day (December 26) edition where setters, such as Jay Dyer, Phistomefel, Aad van de Wetering, Rocky Roer, Shye or Tallcat solve puzzles set by Simon and Mark. As Captain Picard would say you have six months to "make it so".

  • @srwapo
    @srwapo Год назад +3

    93:24, I didn't feel like watching a two hour video, but I didn't think I could solve this on my own. I basically worked until I hit a wall, took a look to see the next step, and kept going back and forth. There were some jumps in logic I didn't see how I would have figured them out myself and I kept trying to put the size of the box in the cages instead of the number of cells with a line in them.

  • @AcidDotCom
    @AcidDotCom Год назад +8

    Ready for the movie! 🍿🍷

  • @pedrosaraiva1411
    @pedrosaraiva1411 Год назад +1

    this was my first 2 hour solve I saw on this channel. It was of course amazing

  • @Coyotek4
    @Coyotek4 Год назад

    1:36:33 ... as long as this one took me, I never really felt 'stumped' at any given moment; it was just a series of one small success after another.
    Truly a work of art; astounding!

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish Год назад +2

    @1:51:51 "So the 2 gets thrust onto the right hand side." You could also have gotten that 2 via maths on the purple cage. Putting the 5 there would give purple a shown total of 18 which would put a 1 in r9c4 where it clashes with r7c5.

  • @SarlCagan93
    @SarlCagan93 Год назад +14

    Way at the end, at 2:02:15, could the loop not continue to the right into a different colored region?

    • @CheaterHater1234
      @CheaterHater1234 Год назад +1

      It could, but Simon is saved by the >0 region (the only region it could be) not being 2, 4, or 6, since it would have to take an even amount of cells in that region to get back to light green.

    • @ramprakashkrishnan6651
      @ramprakashkrishnan6651 Год назад +4

      Simon got lucky there

    • @bobh6728
      @bobh6728 Год назад

      I thought the same.

    • @simonmoore8776
      @simonmoore8776 Год назад

      No, because every region contains a cage and so there was only the one region remaining.

    • @Adrian_Grey
      @Adrian_Grey Год назад +3

      It could have, but fortunately at this point it doesn't matter much to the solve. Everything Simon does until about 2:06:30 stays the same, but at the end you're left with a choice of whether the

  • @Irrational34
    @Irrational34 Год назад +2

    Been starting to try the puzzles before I watch the video, and I so far haven’t managed to get any, but I’m glad to see that on this beast I actually started out with the correct logic (before I messed up somewhere, haha)

  • @jasonveale8467
    @jasonveale8467 Год назад +5

    A Jay Dyer puzzle that Simon takes 2 hours to complete! I don't think I will be taking that one on! 😂😂

  • @TheMeanderingduck6
    @TheMeanderingduck6 Год назад +5

    Classic Simon taking 10 minutes to rule the 1 out of R3C5 even when he has already said it can't be a 1 and drawn the line longer than length 1 through red.

    • @phueal
      @phueal Год назад

      Also I lost count of how many times he ruled out R6C3 being “purple” (pink).

  • @AngelWedge
    @AngelWedge Год назад +3

    1:43:30 … "if thiis was a 6 it would have to take those two cells" … which would put two 6s in the same cage

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      @1:42:57 I'm guessing you timestamped where you paused to type your comment.

  • @margaretsinclair6697
    @margaretsinclair6697 Год назад

    The incomparable Jay Dyer.

  • @giladooshlon
    @giladooshlon Год назад

    Took me nearly three hours, but got through it eventually. All the logic steps were fairly simple, just hard to spot among the multitude of possibilities, and this detracts a bit from the fun for me.

  • @AndyeKAA
    @AndyeKAA Год назад +1

    Absolutely no chance to solve the puzzle on my own, but seeing every single deduction before Simon does... can anyone understand it??? Brilliant puzzle as always from the one and only JD👍👍👍

    • @Capataro
      @Capataro Год назад +1

      Similar for me. I think it’s because he talks you through it so well. I can easily follow his thoughts and go from there

  • @trisha2584
    @trisha2584 Год назад

    Great puzzle and video; well done Jay and Simon

  • @Afterthoughtbtw
    @Afterthoughtbtw Год назад +1

    Tough but fair puzzle. Very fun - I do enjoy these build your own killers, and this one had some tough deductions, but nothing that felt extreme. I never felt as though I was getting nowhere, even if it took me 90 odd minutes.

  • @Aaron_cini
    @Aaron_cini Год назад +75

    2 hours? There's no point even attempting this one

    • @OlafDoschke
      @OlafDoschke Год назад +5

      As I saw the video duration I decided to enjoy watching Simon discover the logical steps this time and not give it a try, myself.

    • @Lusankya2
      @Lusankya2 Год назад +11

      Actually you should give it a try. While it does take long I thought there were no extremely difficult deductions. It's just that you need to do tons and tons of small deductions and that will eat up your time.

    • @mailboy1940
      @mailboy1940 Год назад

      Honestly, I usually think the same, but I had a go at this one and it was a really good puzzle, I got stuck on one of the very first deductions, but after that it just flowed.
      Very beautiful puzzle

    • @johnnyw4life
      @johnnyw4life Год назад +2

      I just took a long flight and spent 2 hours until I wound up in an unsolvable position from a mistake.
      I restarted and spent almost 4 more hours but completed the puzzle with no help from the video. It was very satisfying to finally finish!
      I’m now watching the entire video to see what deductions I beat Simon on and what easy steps took me way too long to find.

  • @ukdavepianoman
    @ukdavepianoman Год назад

    Simon's family/friends: Why are you so late?
    Simon: Jay Dyer puzzle
    Simon's family/friends: Ah, ok.
    This was fascinating but very, very tough!

  • @ericpraline1302
    @ericpraline1302 Год назад

    Loop puzzles make me feel a bit queasy and given the video length I suspected I might flunk this one. In the end I solved it, and after several sticky phases at the start I gained some momentum in the latter stages. Sudoko logic rather than loop logic helped me. Thanks!

  • @gagstersps3
    @gagstersps3 Год назад

    One of my favourite puzzles. Very long, but not too hard.

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish Год назад +2

    @37:41 "If green goes into blue." I think your selection at this point is misleading you. By including r4c3 in your selection you've inferred that orange can't go into green. I don't see a reason that's not actually a possibility at this point. What's stopping the loop from going yellow->orange-> green->blue?
    EDIT: @41:45 "We know it's going into yellow because yellow has to go into green." Okay, thanks for explaining that.

  • @skasperl
    @skasperl Год назад +1

    1:46:57 That digit would have been easier to find. If you out an 8 in r3c4, the 48 pair in green would both have been 4s.

  • @bait6652
    @bait6652 Год назад

    Kneel/bow before greatest!!! Wow just wow 1:18....love a good letter/colour hybrid solve but they rarely use it.
    But to DD a letter /digit mapping based on 1 overlapping digit b/w 2 cells of letter...just wow.
    Its fun to just follow along and just solve some steps....pause the video get stuck and then watch the greatest

  • @smylesg
    @smylesg Год назад +1

    9:57 Simon: ...ludicrously small amount of information

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      LOL and he calls the >1 (r4c7) ridiculous (or something similar, I'm not watching the 2 hour video again just for a timestamp) too still without acknowledging r8c9. Personally I think r4c7 's even more ridiculous than the >0 in r8c9 because by the time the >1 cage is used in the solve path, it's long not been able to be an actual 1. The >1 and >0 totals could have been eliminated if the rules included "if given" about the cage totals.

  • @b0kkeee
    @b0kkeee Год назад

    the exclamation 'whoopsie' comes so natural to you, Simon

  • @longwaytotipperary
    @longwaytotipperary Год назад +3

    So the Simon whose birthday is tomorrow - would that be our much loved sudoku solver extraordinaire, Mr. Anthony himself??? If so I hope you have a fantastic birthday with plenty of chocolate cake! (it is already tomorrow here - midnight - and therefore it’s been tomorrow in the UK for hours).

    • @grimsqueaker5333
      @grimsqueaker5333 Год назад +1

      I recently saw a video dated 11 months ago where Simon mentioned it was his birthday. If it isn't his birthday 'tomorrow'it certainly is close❤

    • @davidrattner9
      @davidrattner9 Год назад +1

      Wonderfully written!! If indeed his bday...for sure want him to have a wonderful and fabulous day! Love to him, this community and constant joy of solving, along with putting out puzzles daily for us. 🩵💙❤️

    • @longwaytotipperary
      @longwaytotipperary Год назад

      @@grimsqueaker5333 I think there’s a good chance that is correct.

    • @longwaytotipperary
      @longwaytotipperary Год назад

      @@davidrattner9 Emily made a comment a few days ago that his birthday is this week.

    • @longwaytotipperary
      @longwaytotipperary Год назад

      @@davidrattner9 yes 💛🧡❤️🩷

  • @AngelWedge
    @AngelWedge Год назад

    At 1:18:00… it's easier to prove that the line visits r2c7 because r12c7 must have a line segment (different cages sharing an edge) and you need to not break the grey total

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      How is that easier than using the 6 in r1c2, which tells you exactly where the loop goes in blue?
      (It's not obvious to me why the grey cage total would be broken had the loop gone r2c6-r1c6-r1c7-r1c8?)

  • @Rach881101
    @Rach881101 Год назад +1

    110:02 for me. Beautiful puzzle!

  • @thescrewfly
    @thescrewfly Год назад +3

    More than two hours? Nope! I like Jay's puzzles a lot but I don't think I have the mental storage capacity for this. I'll just watch Simon and probably not even understand every bit of analysis. (btw I'm 70 years old - give me a break!)

  • @tremkl
    @tremkl Год назад +5

    I literally only know that Kenny Loggins sang Danger Zone because of Archer.

  • @khoozu7802
    @khoozu7802 Год назад

    1:44:00
    Another reason for cage 19 not to be 4-cell pink region is that u could never draw 2 loop cells within the shape of region.

  • @howardhughes2937
    @howardhughes2937 Год назад +1

    Doesn't the loop have to visit every cage?
    Thanks for the 2 very well presented in-depth answers below. I just simply forgot the cage was almost the whole box. Much like Simon, I appreciate your kindness in dealing with my brain holiday.

    • @RaceMasterDave
      @RaceMasterDave Год назад +1

      It takes exactly one cell from the green cage in box 9 which is on the loop (hence the 1 in the cage) and that cell is r7c7. You have to see every color as a cage and the total is >0 in that green cage (43 total to be exact with 1 cell on the loop). The number in the square refers to the number of cells of that colored cage being on the loop, not to that total of the cage.

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      I had a tough time keeping this straight in my head too (and so did Simon at times).
      The number in the corner of the cage isn't the number of loop cells in the cage, it's the cage total. (Also >0 is "greater than zero" and just means any number, provided the other rules are followed; you can't actually get 0 or lower if the rules are followed).
      It's the value in the cell itself which dictates the number of loop cells in the region. In that example, the cell turned out to be 1 which meant there was 1 loop cell in that cage. This alone requires the loop to pass through every cage.
      "...which visits each cage exactly once" in the rules is there to say you can't visit a cage more than once.

  • @evanvandeneinde7095
    @evanvandeneinde7095 Год назад +1

    At 2:02:13 can someone explain the logic behind "the line must turn because this is a 6"? Couldn't r9c7 not be blue thus invalidating the 6 logic?

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      I prefer u to see the comment from Adrian Grey. It is easier to understand

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      It is under the question from David Berardo

  • @livedandletdie
    @livedandletdie Год назад +1

    I did it in 71 minutes. Truly an amazing puzzle, and truly a dreadful puzzle as well, so many times I had to change the coloring of the cages to make sure that I didn't break the 4 color theorem.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      If you do manage to break the four colour theorem, be sure to let the mathematics world know. I think fame and (possibly) fortune will follow.

  • @djbroadbent3557
    @djbroadbent3557 Год назад

    1:16:15 Quit too soon with the lettering, marking C in box 2 (r3c56) would have saved some headache later on!

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish Год назад

    @2:07:43 " And yet, it all fits together and [astonishment ands later] we used everything, I mean, we used everything. We used sudoku [audio was to quiet for transcription, but I assume it translates as a complaint about using sudoku to solve a sudoku puzzle], there was killer logic all the time and geometry (set theory on small levels such as "law of leftovers" level) logic." It was intense and beautiful.
    But we didn't use Schrodinger numbers, did we?

  • @RichSmith77
    @RichSmith77 Год назад

    This is one of those "surfing" puzzles.
    I stand little chance of solving it entirely on my own, so I try to surf the front face of Simon's inspiration. If he starts to get excited about something, I pause the video to see if his "inspiration" inspires me to make further progress with my own solve. 🙂.
    I was quite pleased that I needed no further assistance after the "where do those two digits [r23c1] go in box 4" at 1:14:55.

    • @bbgun061
      @bbgun061 Год назад

      I had to do that on the "easy" puzzles this week...

  • @Benwahwah
    @Benwahwah Год назад +2

    At the start of the video Simon says "ai have 1hr 48mins until I need to leave.'
    *Looks at length of video*
    Oh dear. 😅

  • @TheStevenWhiting
    @TheStevenWhiting Год назад

    3:00 If you want to prompt the apps you need to actually update them. Sudokupad hasn't been update since 2021 on Android which is very poor form when still promoting it. Its essentially abandonware.

  • @faddy91
    @faddy91 Год назад

    Rock hard. I feel like I exerted a lot of effort to get that done.
    Most troublesome spotting my own incorrect deductions and having to delete my progress. I refused to be beaten even if it took well over 2 hours.

  • @1a2s3d6a9s5d
    @1a2s3d6a9s5d Год назад +2

    I don't understand why you thought you had to turn from blue up into light green in box 8 at 2h2min .. you said bc the clue was 6 but that means you can only travel 6 in blue however you could have pushed straight into a new region without turning ...

  • @aoi7910
    @aoi7910 9 месяцев назад

    "Do have a go"
    *Looks at the duration* 0.0
    I think you can take this one, Simon.😆

  • @michaels4340
    @michaels4340 Год назад

    2:02:12 Couldn't it continue to r9c7 as long as that cell isn't blue?
    (edit: in practice it can't, because it forces r8c6 to go right, forcing r7c7 to go right as well, and then r7c7 can't attach to the

  • @specialsk1
    @specialsk1 Год назад

    How do I draw lines in the software?

  • @Atticus837
    @Atticus837 Год назад

    @1:30:30 you have "quite a good thought actually" (in your words) and show via some cage logic where the 7 must go in box 5, this removing it as a candidate in r3c4... But the 7 in the green cage you made use of for this exact logic already does so by sudoku.

  • @michaels4340
    @michaels4340 Год назад +1

    I suppose an interstate highway could be considered a "country road" in a sense...

  • @rickwoods5274
    @rickwoods5274 Год назад

    I don't understand the conclusion you come to at 40:00. You repeatedly say that green can't go into orange, but why not? Green to blue doesn't preclude green to orange at all; you say that "green is done" but you haven't produced an entry into green, which could still be from orange.
    EDIT: Yeah at 37:49 you say "if green goes into blue, orange does not go into green" and I have no idea why you'd deduce that from the available information
    EDIT 2: I did not connect this back to needing a connection between green and the yellow

  • @skid68
    @skid68 Год назад

    Simon missed the obvious in box 1, there has to be a 1 in box 1 that belongs to a cage outside of box 1. None of the 44 cages can have a 1 in them. (20.45 he saw it)

  • @johnpauladamovsky86
    @johnpauladamovsky86 Год назад +2

    One day, Simon is gonna be too old to solve expert-level logic-puzzles, but that day is NOT TODAY...! AMAZING PUZZLE ALERT...!

  • @chitraagarwal8259
    @chitraagarwal8259 Год назад +2

    Its 1 am and I think I won't get through this tonight!

  • @Craznar
    @Craznar Год назад +9

    Have to leave in 1hr45min ... in a 2hr10min video. Not looking good :)

  • @Gonzalo_Garcia_
    @Gonzalo_Garcia_ Год назад

    73:28 for me. Fantastic puzzle!!

  • @Raven-Creations
    @Raven-Creations Год назад

    What you seemed to be forgetting at the start was that the cage contains the count of loop cells in the cage, which is obviously no larger than the cage size. Therefore a 1-cell cage can only be 1, a 2-cell cage can be a maximum of 11, a 3-cell cage can be a maximum of 20, 4-cell maxes at 28, etc. This shows why >1, >11 and >28 are important clues.
    This means that @ 13:42 you can extend orange into R2C2, and green must come around the bottom. The cannot be in the corner which must be in one of the 44 cages, so it's in orange with a 23 in the cage and 89 in R2C2.
    @ 54:46 where you are trying to make R6C4 the green 3 - that cell cannot be green. Blue must exit to the right, and it cannot be into green (or a short loop would be produced. It must continue to the right, because if it goes up, it again forms a short loop, and if it goes down, it forms too short a line in the >28 cage. Since the loop leaves blue to the right, and can never enter green, not even via one more colour, R6C4 cannot be green. This does mean that R5C4 must be green. This means that R3C3 must be green's 3, and means that the blue in R1 must get its 3 in either box 2, or R2, making the orange loop segment 2 long.
    @ 1:12:40 - if the red >16 cage is a 1, it must go up into blue, but R1C6 would have to be loop, and can't. Therefore R3C5 is at least 4, so red must take R3C8. It also means blue must continue at least one more, making R1C2 56, and giving a 56 pair in the box, and a 569 triple in R1. 4 can be placed in R1C3, with a 78 pair in R3C1/2, making the 36 cage a 56, creating a 569 triple in box 2.
    @ 1:28:40 - You can rule 4 out of R1C6. Because the loop can't get to it, 4 would make the cage at least 5 cells, but there's no 2 in it, so the lowest it could be is 13456, which is more than 16. Therefore R1C6 and R2C7 are 3. By sudoku, you can eliminate 5 and 7 from R3C4, and because it sees both of the 48s in green, it can't be 8. Therefore, it's a naked 6. The only place for 1 in box 2 is R3C6.
    @ 1:39:12 - "I realise I'm probably frustrating many of you" - You're starting to. It's a hard puzzle, but it's the easy stuff you're missing. Maybe your imminent departure is making you lose focus. How can the 16 cage be 4, which would require at least 5 cells that can't include 2? Where does 8 go in green, and what is its impact on R3C4? Where does 1 go in box 2? Then where does 1 go in box 5?
    @ 1:54:08 ">1 - it's just a quality clue". Yes, and it can't be 3 or 4 cells on the loop, so those loop cells you've just drawn are in that region. The 1 and 3 in C6 means the 28 region, which must therefore take R8C5 and be complete. This includes 1 and 4, so the remainder must be 789,
    @ 1:56:22 "If this was a 3" - it would be the second 3 in the column. Several times you pointed at the 1 and 3 in the column, then at that cell. I just don't know how you could miss this. If you put a 3 anywhere, remove pencil-marked 3s from everywhere that sees the one you've just placed. That little bit of discipline avoids so much faffing around considering nonsenses.
    @ 2:04:12 "that's not going to do anything". Apart from completing the puzzle. It means you can make R8C5=9, R7C4=7, R7C1=9 and R8C1=6, R7C7=6. This leaves you with 18 at the end of R8, which is resolved, making the last region have just 1 loop cell. If you look at R5C9, it's a naked 5, making grey a 67 which is resolved to be 7, so the 2 is in grey. It puts 9 in the corner, resolving the 89 pair, and the rest is just mopping up. The 1 cell in the >0 must be the 6, and the whole of that box except the 2 is in the region.
    This definitely wasn't easy, and I'm not suggesting you should have spotted all of the above, especially my earlier points. I was merely pointing out what you could have spotted. As you went on though, you did start missing more and more obvious stuff, hence the rising frustration.
    I marvel at Jay's head. How it comes up with such intricate logic is beyond me. Even after watching a few setters' videos, I haven't got a clue how one would approach setting something like this. The logic is so intricately intertwined that unless there's some big trick Jay's spotted, I can't even see how one would start. Jay's definitely one of my favourite setters, because she always brings a degree of elegance, and often a bit of wit to her puzzles. Some of the clues in this, especially the last one, were definitely amusing.

  • @Mephistahpheles
    @Mephistahpheles Год назад

    @1:47 R3C4 Finally got rid of that 8....and not in the way that was sitting there for 30 minutes: it sees the 48 pair in the green cage, so can't be an 8.
    The number of times he glanced at that cell......I was screaming...a lot. lol
    (Just a few minutes after he first pencilmarks the 8, it's ruled out....around 1:10, though becomes much more obvious once the 48 pair is defined.)

  • @bubbletube636
    @bubbletube636 Год назад +2

    Who else watches for his voice as backround noise??

  • @stevesebzda570
    @stevesebzda570 Год назад +1

    2 hours.!?
    Are you kidding me?
    Lol.
    Ain't no way I'm going near that one on my own.
    Good luck, though.
    😲😂👍🏻👍🏽😎☕️☕️☕️☕️(

  • @BakingFiend-rl7mo
    @BakingFiend-rl7mo Год назад

    Everytime i hear danger zone i just think about the danger zone in cooking where you can get bacteria in your food.

  • @LavenderGooms
    @LavenderGooms Год назад

    The Mercury thing makes sense. When Earth and Mars are on opposite sides of the sun, they're both closer to Mercury than they are each other.

  • @johnnyt3029
    @johnnyt3029 Год назад

    The good news : I was able to solve it!
    The bad news : It took me 617:40 and now both of me are paranoid : (

  • @frankiegreene4739
    @frankiegreene4739 Год назад

    Another round of my favorite game: guess which color Simon uses next 😁

  • @rgoyal107
    @rgoyal107 Год назад +1

    I'm kinda curious, do the setters featured on the channel get paid a portion of the earnings coming in from the videos?

  • @glorkspangle
    @glorkspangle Год назад

    I cut short a lot of your agonising around the 1h30 mark by thinking about the contents of the 16 region in box 2/3.

  • @skasperl
    @skasperl Год назад

    1:20:03 nice.

    • @skasperl
      @skasperl Год назад

      1:20:47 nice!

    • @skasperl
      @skasperl Год назад

      1:20:59 Nice. Nice! NICE!

  • @jacobhanna
    @jacobhanna Год назад

    Not me sending you the same mercury fact 😭😭

  • @aidarosullivan5269
    @aidarosullivan5269 Год назад

    Still waiting for special appearance of the Maverick on camera from Simon. Maybe on 1M viewers milestone?

  • @nk0058
    @nk0058 Год назад

    Can someone explain why 1 can't go in r1c1 at @20:40 I'm very confused why that cell has to be in one of the 44 cages
    Edit: I just read the rules again and now I understand why hahaha

  • @deathpigeon2
    @deathpigeon2 Год назад

    That >0 clue was just a comedy bit.

  • @colinfun
    @colinfun Год назад

    I am a bit shocked it took Simon 13+ minutes to realize the very obvious clue that in box 1, the 1 had to be in a cage other than the 44 cages. That would shave off every second of the first 13 minutes of his solve!

    • @57thorns
      @57thorns Год назад

      Right, is say cover the _entire_ grid. (which I missed) However, there is still the question of r3c1 that has to be resolved.

    • @colinfun
      @colinfun Год назад

      @@57thorns Not really, I realized almost as soon as I was looking at box 1 that the only cage that could contain the 1 was the greater than 11, which since it now has a 1 in it, has to contain 3 digits to reach 12+ and has to be the the marked one and the 2 to it's left, otherwise one of the 44 cages would be unable to leave box 1.

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 Год назад +1

    What complicated rules. It seems as if you have to construct the puzzle, rather than solve a completed puzzle. Or, to put it another way, it's a meta-puzzle.

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      They prefer rulesets that are simpler but (and it seems pretty frequent nowadays) make exceptions for puzzles that have logical solutions that are just frankly video-worthy (based mostly on input from testers, emails and their discord which includes several sudoku master setters and players). It's definitely a meta-puzzle as you've defined the word. I view it more along the lines of several integrated puzzles which require some puzzles to be partially completed to advance other puzzles which require [just repeat from the last word require] till all of them are finished.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      I think they've used the term "chaos construction" previously to describe this type of puzzle, where you have to construct the region's or cages based on other clues in the grid. (Unless that's specifically where you have to construct the region's - not sure now.)

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish Год назад

    Movie night!

  • @thorin_oakenshield
    @thorin_oakenshield Год назад

    me screaming for hours that r3c4 can't be an 8 because of the 48 pair in green...

  • @matthiasvancampen3770
    @matthiasvancampen3770 Год назад

    Ugh, costed me 5 precious hours. I'll remember next time I have to look out for Sudoku more...

  • @Marc_Henkel
    @Marc_Henkel Год назад

    Wow! It took Simon less than 30 minutes to make a two hour video unwatchable by turning the puzzle into a mess of lines, crosses and circles. Once again ...

    • @woodchuk1
      @woodchuk1 Год назад +13

      By all means, make a video showing us how YOU would have done it. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    • @RaceMasterDave
      @RaceMasterDave Год назад +1

      I see what you're saying (hard to read pencil marks underneath and such). That's all fine if you're solving in private, then you can have a copy of a 9x9 grid on a second screen or on paper to draw your lines and such.......but try doing that while you"re making a video for an audience or livestreaming a solve......Good luck trying it :)

    • @simonmoore8776
      @simonmoore8776 Год назад +1

      It was not unwatchable. The lines, crosses and circles are part of solving the puzzle.

    • @flobiish
      @flobiish Год назад

      I had to remove my like? I was going to agree with you about excess marks but even generously interpreting "less than 30 minutes" from "Let's get cracking," and not from the beginning of the video doesn't give an excess of crosses or naughts. First line: @24:33. A required segment of the solution. First circle @25:11 a required cell in the loop. @27:12 he put in a cross that could have been removed nearly immediately. And the circle in r9c4 barely needed to be there.
      I've gone through to 46:03. The cross in r9c3 and the naught in r9c4 are the only superfluous ones in the grid. There is no way I can agree that these 2 cells which are reasonably legible as a 2 and empty are in any way impeding your enjoyment.
      Why would I even think about agreeing? I didn't take into account the timeframe specified. I felt the sentiment if it had been said later in the video (at least per obstruction of pencil marks).