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SQUAREDROP BUILD EP. 34 (PMF-POOR MANS FIBERGLASS)
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“PMF” (POOR MAN’S FIBERGLASS) In this video I will be showing you my take on “Poor Man’s Fiberglass”! Is my technic better? Perhaps I’ve created a better way; costs less, easier to apply, strong as actual fiberglass, AND BEST OF ALL; WATERPROOF!!! You be the judge…….
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Mr Stebo! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 for sharing this! I have been trying to find others who are using this technique with landscaping fabric and you seem to be the only unicorn who has shared their results.
I have gone through every discussion in the comment section and really appreciate all the great comments and questions. I have been so impressed with your humility and kindness! From what I can see, you answered every post.
I’m an inventor and have been researching the PMF technique and think you really have a terrific method here that’s going to be very helpful with the product I’m working on. I plan on coming back here to report how it went once I am able to disclose.
Hint: it will be a lot of fun!
I used to make cloth doll sculptures with the same mix I also added wallpaper glue and my dolls were so light and solid I made them more than 20 yrs ago and they are still surviving
Wow! I've never heard of someone doing that! That's awesome! Do you have pictures of them you could share?
I have to say that when people are going to look at building boats this way, sitting in the sun is not really a way to judge a building method. Driving around on crappy highways is a good start for checking vibrational resistance. But genuine stress testing is the only way to check the strength of any method.
Not saying your ideas are wrong.
This is very interesting, and may help my foamie build, BUT… most viewers do not like videos with annoying background music, so they mute the audio - then this video goes back to voice narration and we miss where that picked up. And it goes back to music, we hit mute and the same thing happens. FWIW folks watching this kind of video just want to learn, so telling us what you’re doing and what you’ve learned beats hell out of music. Good luck to both of us.
Thanks for the input, I see your point. I just do the best I can to make them informative and entertaining which isn't always easy to do as I'm no pro at this. But do hope you got something out of the video.
@@MrStebo911 Indeed I did. I am now reconsidering my choice of materials for the poor man’s fiberglass composite.👍
@@lanedexter6303 Hope it helped:)
it's not that great for foamies...the fabric doesnt shrink, after it's glued so the foam doesn't get very rigid and you can bend it and break it much easier, than with even the cheapest cotton fabric...also, this type of non-woven PP cloth has terrible resistance to punctures, it's like a paper, hit it with some sharp object and you end up with a hole in your wall
source: did some experiments
Interesting. Thanks!@@T0aletaK
Always start from the bottom and work your way up. This way your seems run over the top of the bottom piece, just like roof shingles. Any water will run over the seem and down.
That's a great tip! Thanks!
In the old days 50ish years I had an old boat that had decks made of pmf but they used several coats of enamel paint on canvas seemed to work quite well.
Nice! I've been so pleased the way mine turned out! Would use my method on anything that was wood and in the weather! LOL
Excellent idea. Designing a pop up camper and I was not looking forward to applying poor man's fiberglass. I will be using your method, thanks for sharing.
Thank you! Good luck on your build! If you have any questions along the way just ask.:)
@@MrStebo911 Thanks, I will.
Thought of this to seal the top of a leaky cargo trailer I bought. You're a Hero Brother. Subbed
Thank you so much!
It looks good. My only concern is if the titebond is adhering to the PP, or is it just filling the crevices and creating a mechanical lock? The reason dropcloth is used is because titebond works with natural fibers and fabrics and does not stick to synthetics afik. The bond between wood and natural cloth is stronger than the components themselves.
All I know is it worked out amazingly! I've had a test piece out in the Florida weather for about 5 mos solid and I kid you not it still looks like the day I made it! And trust me, Florida weather wants to kill everything! haha Good luck with your build!
@LetsGoExplore This is an important comment. The bond between polyester resin and glass is physical. Epoxy is more proper adhesive (of the right glass fabric). But a lot of work is done to get polyester resin to adhere to glass cloth, even though in the end fibreglass using polyester resin is a mechanical adhesion and has worked well.
Does the titebond actually penetrate the earth mat? If so then AFAICS it's as good as fibreglass.
Then maybe it's not too bad anyway. There is the final weakness issue. The skin itself can be as strong or as weak as whatever. But the final chain link is the bonding of the weave to the polystyrene foam.....and yet even at this best, the best adhesion will tear the foam under max force.
Great idea. At one of our local farm suppliers they sell a really heavy landscape fabric that comes off a 12 foot wide roll. They sell it by the foot. Seems like it is less than 3 dollars per foot. This would make for a completely seemless roof. Was your glue ratio 3 parts glue to 1 part water. This seems like a very good idea.
Yes it worked out great! And yes it is 3 to 1 on the glue and water.
yep, that looks like the smartest upgrade to PMF. cheaper, lighter, smoother.
Love the idea of the back kitchen opening out. Great design.
Thanks so much!
I had the same idea when I saw a role of that at Lowe’s. Nice to know it will work 👍
Thanks! It turned out great!
Great job! and thanks for the video!
thank you very much!
Elastomeric over nylon roofing fabric
Looks great!
Thank you! It turned out great as well!
The roof looks too flat. Sloping it a bit in one direction will help drainage.
I use the trailer jack for that. Haven't had any issues with it but thanks for your input.:)
I’m impressed! That looks great!
Thanks!:)
Lookin good. Thanks for the tips. I was thinking of using mastic the roof sealer stuff. ❤❤❤🎉
Glad it was helpful!
Genius Stebo.
Thank you sir!
Merci, idée géniale.
Great job
Thanks!
Really good idea! 3 water : 1 tb2?
3 parts glue, 1 part water
It's probably ok over a wood structure like yours but I tried it on foam and the material isn't near as strong as canvas.
makes since, I could see how it wouldn't hold as well.
Very nice 👍
Thank you!
Roll on a thin coat of the butter in sections and add fabric, then apply more butter on the fabric,let that coat dry and apply another heavier coat of butter? Was the base coat of paint the sealer or was the last coat of glue the sealer before painting?
Since the glue "butter" is waterproof that is the sealer! And I must say after making a little test project just to see how it would hold up in Florida's harsh weather after 6mos. outside fulltime it still looks brand new! I'm going to do a follow up video and highlight it to show how well it really works!
@MrStebo911 Thank you. I appreciate the videos
Very cool. Thank so much for sharing! I am so intrigued. Lookin forward to follow ups as you use it. Durability over time & exposure to elements? Thanks again!
Thanks! I plan on taking it out once the weather cools some here in Florida! haha:)
i wonder how it would do on a boat... :P
been wanting to do a PMF sailboat for a long time, maybe that's something ill do this summer.
i subscribed because i love this idea and will have to try it
I would almost say go for it! It's doing great on my trailer and I'll be posting a new "Reveal" video in the next couple of days:)
@@MrStebo911 cool ill be looking forward to it!
and i'll check the prices locally, if i can get it for a better price than the fabric i was planning on using, ill definitely try it out
It is canvas. Ask any seamstress how to prevent fraying. There are tons of ways. Also, it doesn't have to be canvas. You could probably use a lot of different types of materials! And not just cloth! How about topping that wood glue with a layer of sawdust? How about using a paper layer, or a metal screen layer, or a tarp layer?
All great points! :) I am totally pleased with the outcome of my technique!
👍👍
So awesome -very impressed that you found a new material to work with -looks awesome-love the black too could rhinohide or raptorliner truck bed coating for a better durable finish-but I like black that’s just me
awesome job 🎉
Thank you very much!
I see wrinkes. Just wondering if auto filler would work to feather the seams. The red kind that comes in a tube.
There were a few little ones, due to me never had doing this before I now know to take a little more time to smooth everything out before it sets. Newbie mistake:)
I’m probably gonna use this for my camper build. Hopefully in a few months, I’ll be to that point. How well has the landscape cloth been holding up so far???
Great question! I also used it on a building that's on my layout for my garden railroad! It's been out in the weather now for 3 straight months and to be honest it's held up great! It still looks like I just put it on yesterday! So so so happy I went with it on my project build for the camper! Good luck on yours!:)
It's held up amazingly!
@@MrStebo911 nice.
Check out my camper build progress and this one in particular has some interesting glue test results …
ruclips.net/video/zT5snTcDC4Q/видео.htmlsi=xKYQeuajJ3Img9kr
1:34 the better way
Thanks!
Is diluting TB recommended? With many glues this can seriously weaken the result.
from Titebond:
"Most of our water-based wood glues can be thinned with water up to 5% by weight or by volume. Adding more than 5% water to our glues will decrease the bond strength. "
This needs to be taken into account. Maybe the thinning is more economical, and if it allows more penetrative bonding with the earth may, the it may be important.
This method may well work for you, in your situation, but you are breaking a lot of established rules here. Using these for a boat may not work.
May not work and boats?
That's a great point and should be taken note of when you're building your own squaredrop trailer! For me it's as strong as the day I applied it and would not change anything. Whenever you are trying something new you should always weigh the pro's and con's and certainly do test to see if it's really what you want to proceed with.
I know in the maker space with one of the original articles about this. They also recommended the first coat of TB be 25% water.
What’s encouraging is that it’s been working so well for you!
I wish we could’ve gotten a better look at what kind of landscaping fabric you used. There’s one kind that is thin and woven - kind of like cotton candy. The other is thicker and has a weave with a very consistent pattern.
Do you think this would work for a small shed roof? Nice video, great idea!
I honestly don't know... But with that said, I think if you applied 3 or 4 coats and a good quality roof cover paint it would work. I'm using this method on all my outdoor structures and seems to be holding up just fine.
How much cheaper is this than drop cloth?
I paid $8 US for the landscape fabric. The same amount of canvas would have cost me more than $40 US. Not only that but the landscape fabric was 100 times easier to apply and it is solid as a rock! I've had some outside in the Florida weather that I made a little building out of for the last 3 mos. and it still look new! So happy I tried it!
How is the pmf holding up after this year?
It's amazing how well it's done! Still is like brand new!
@@chumboss501 Thanks for the reply!
@@sparkiekosten5902 Sorry I was logged into my work youtube when I replied!:)
What's it look like after sitting outside for 2 years?
Would have to let you know but as with anything that would sit outside for 2 yrs it most likely wouldn't look that great! I keep it in my garage....
Genius! Wonder how a surfboard made with this technique would hold up😂
Thanks! My bet it would do great! Please share if you do decide to try it!:)
Just thinking, would even collaborate with you if you'd like! You shape the board and I'll help you apply my take on PMF!
I was thinking of doing a type canoe.
@@sayinitstraight156 You'll have to let me know how it turns out!:)
I wonder if Titebond 3 would be even stronger.
I don't know what the difference is, but I sure it would work just fine.
titebond III is the waterproof version... would likely be more durable if any water or condensation gets under the seal coat.
@@orcoastgreenman I would agree, I just had titebond 2 and it did great!
Man if ya could clean up your seams and have straight laps I wonder if you could clear coat it or epoxy it and it would look like carbon fiber! 🤔
Perhaps! Next I might use rubber trim and it will disappear! haha:)
Hi. Nice video. Wondering how TiteBond III would work as it is parlayed as "waterproof" rather than "water resistant". Any insight would be appreciated. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Thank you! It would work great as well. Just remember I painted it after applying it so it's totally waterproof... :)
Thinking of using roof sealer here, mastic
I'm sure that would work too!:)@@leethebee1560
How did you do the seams on the sidewalls? Any videos of that specifically?
Hi I’m in the UK. What paints are used specifically
I used a Kills as a primer and 2 coats of Latex paint. It's a home depot brand of latex paint. It's specifically made for "exterior". Hope that helps.
Sort of
I’m in the UK - any brands so I can do like for like? Thanks in advance
@@scotthannam6435 Any outdoor latex paint and primer.
Any updates on waterproofing? I am just about to cover my camper with this stuff. Using a 50g/m2 thickness (1.5 ounce per square yard) Is that what you used?
I used standard landscape fabric, I believe it's .91m. It turned out amazing! It made a total hard shell and water just runs right off it! So glad I decided to go with it! Easy to apply and from what I can tell will last! Here's a link to what kind I used:
www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/landscaping/landscape-fabrics/7024621?store=15750&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1rqkBhCTARIsAAHz7K1pi3BY0ezEeZRi0T3HmnyWODTlSuBUYNCJuDGwteCWQa0PLUjRAycaAjJdEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
@@MrStebo911 the link for your material indicates .91 m, or three feet wide for the rest of us, polypropylene fiber fabric. There does not appear to be a weight specified for thickness. Unfortunately, the fabric you used in the video looks like polyspun whereas the product link shows woven ...
landscape fabric comes in different weights, different weaves, and different materials depending on the intended use. It would be useful to show the label or refer to the mfg product number you actually used in the video. While Ace, Amazon or other links are good, sometimes the product varies so the actual label should be the reference. The intended uses are: weed block, weed barrier, soil filter, ground cover, geotextile, pond underlayment, driveway fabric, drain field fabric, etc. The weaves are poly-spun non-woven, woven, perforated, solid (non-woven), fleece, and geogrid. The materials are polypropylene, polyethylene, polyester, natural fiber, or a blend. There are also "biodegradable" weed block materials. Some products include UV protection while others do not.
Minimum overlap for these products is usually 12" ...
@@nevisstkitts8264 Hi, your comment is very informative and I will definitely add an update of what I used when I get back as I'm out of town at the moment. I appreciate your comments for sure!:)
@@nevisstkitts8264 I was wondering this as well! I haven’t heard the term Pollyspun But I think that’s what I tried to use yesterday. I just went straight to paint though rather than using the glue, which was a mistake.
It’s porous material, but the latex paint did adhear like it does with cloth and I ended up with a lot of bubbles under the polyspun.
After all the great comments here, I’m thankful for the coaching, and I’m looking forward to taking another crack at it! Thanks guys!
I was lured in. What did I just watch?
My take on "Poor Man's Fiberglass" applied to my new Square drop trailer:)
The ratio, is it 3 parts water to 1 part glue or the other way around ?. Thank you
1 part water, 3 parts glue
How long does it take for the glue to gas off and dry smell-wise and also how long to wait bwfore painting? And what about the paint? How long untill i can tske it out in the cold?Im thunking to do it in a garage during winter and wonder about
I applied it one morning and 24 hrs. later painted it!:) Not much of a smell at all. I did it in my garage. After you get it painted and the paint completely dries you can take it out no problems. I used a high quality latex paint, 3 coats.
Kennt jemand die deutsche Bezeichnung für dieses Gewebe? Was ist das und wo kann man es kaufen?
Sorry don't understand German
@@MrStebo911 I'm looking for the german name of this fabric cause I'm planning to built a light wheigt bycicle trailor :-)
What for is this fabric normally being used? It looked so much better than the canvas.
Would be more than glad to help you out with that!:) In the USA it's called "Landscrape fabric" It is use for ground cover to stop weeds. Let me know if this helps. Just google: landscrape fabric
@@chrisridethatbloodything2044
@@MrStebo911 Thanks for your help! I found the german name. Here it is called
"Gartenvlies" or "Unkrautvlies" It is available in 50, 80, 100, 120 g/m2
I think I will try the lightest and thinnest one. It is quite cheap with under 20 Euro / 25m2.
That's great! Yes you'll be very happy with it!
How is this holding up?
Amazingly! I will be making another video of a test that I did and has been out in the weather for about 6mos now and it still looks like brand new! Very Very happy with the results!
Fiberglass is already poor mans carbon fiber. I thought poor mans fiberglass was paper mache.
It's just my take on it...
You have no idea. I'm going to do the F out of this.
And your accent's outstanding.
I do! haha I use this method on everything outdoors now!
Metal.
How much Florida sun and rain can this take before it starts coming apart?
As much as anything in FL. I guess! haha It is well sealed and should not be a problem at all.