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Apparently one of the few adaptations Alan Moore actually likes is Harry Partridge's "Saturday Morning Watchmen" because the satire only works because Harry understands the source material
You might be confusing satire, which is the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices. Note that exaggeration and ridicule are not inherently comedy or funny. You might mean parody, an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
I've always the excuse when someone says, "You just didn't like it because you didn't get it" My response 9/10 times is, "No, I got it, and that's exactly what made me hate it"
It's like when I say Ii don't pike animals lile cats or dogs because they'reD and messy and people say "thats what cats/dogs do!" Like yeah. I know thats what they do and thats why I'm jot keen on them XD
Not liking something is different than something being bad. You didn't like it because yes, you did not understand it. But you try to say that it was bad. You do not like only good things. Pull your head out of your ass.
The Alan Moore adaptations are a prime example of Hollywood doing what Hollywood has always done, butchering stories left, right and centre. Reminds me of when some company wanted to adapt Mort by Terry Pratchett (a book about Death taking on an apprentice), and the execs said "we love it, but we want to lose the death angle." Pratchett allegedly walked out of the meeting.
I wonder why Hollywood does this? Maybe communists in hollywood influenced executives preferences for movies changing the themes of movies to fit a communist agenda which eventually influenced the preferences of these executives hence "Let's change the death thing" because it involves changing a negative pessimistic theme which is very grounded in reality to something more positive which fits the narrative of the purpose of art in communists eyes. I also could be bullshit.
Best story about Moore was when DC's lawyers kept upping the money they were offering for him to work with DC again. The lawyers simply thought he was playing hardball and went to the maximum they were allowed to authorize. Apparently he enjoyed watching their utter confusion and panic when they realized "If it's not about the money, what the hell does he want?"
@@JonathonSwinney2814 the entire Swamp Thing saga while Alan Moore was writing it, is one of my all time favorite comics...I cannot express how much I love those comics...😂👍
That’s the power of adaptation. Adaptations, even bad ones, can introduce tons of new people to the source material. I would have never read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen if it wasn’t for the crappy movie.
@@thekrakenexperiment280 Yeah... For me, I would have not watched the amazing Death Note anime, if not for the shitty fuckin pile of shit bullshit piece of garbage heaping pile of stupid fuck adaptation of Death Note in 2017.. I knew about Death Note prior to that, but never watched it.. After watching the Netflix adaptation, I am curious if Death Note the anime is as bad.. Turns out it’s not, and it’s far more amazing than the Netflix’s one.. And for that, I am forever thankful to Netflix for making me curious to check out the anime because theirs are so shitty, I cannot stand it..
@@SkapeGote That might not work anymore now. BBC's The Watch legitimately is not crediting Ser Tarry Pratchett, despite the fact that it is clearly biased (if extremely loosely) on the Vimes Diskworld novels.
I can't recall the exact quote. Goes to the effect of "it doesn't matter if what you make isn't that good as long as you made it". Also "you just don't get it" is truly a massive cop out.
Make sure to be extremely protective of owning your stories, especially in the internet age you can self-publish much easier, so if you make a financially successful story don't sell the rights of you don't want it to be butchered
@@Robert_Rankin Maybe I’m reaching here, but I think that’s because JLU still kept the less-serious, positive portrayal of superheroes they were once known for. From what I know of Alan Moore, he only wrote dark, “gritty” superhero stories in hopes it would diversify the comic industry into more types of stories (not just escapist superhero stuff); essentially bridging the gap between fans of “silly” superhero stuff and “mature” stories. However, he ended up hating the influence he had, because rather than diversifying American comics, he influenced most superhero depictions to be way too serious and cynical (in his eyes) without much room for different depictions or genres. Which he also thought was gate-keeping children who wanted fun, inspiring stories (the original intended market for superheroes) away from comic books. JLU still keeps the optimistic, child-friendly depiction of Superheroes Alan Moore originally fell in love with (and thinks modern comics are sorely lacking), so it makes sense he’d appreciate it. Edit: It also helps the source material isn’t that dark or gritty, but rather in-line with the less serious depictions of superheroes. So this is likely a story Moore doesn’t regret writing.
Wait, do people not say that in America? I knew the phrase originated from England, but we say it here in Australia and I've met New Zealanders who say it
Fun fact: There is one adaption of his work that Alan Moore approves of... and that is the episode of Justice League Unlimited based on the Superman comic "For The Man Who Has Everything". This is evident, due to the fact he is in the credits of the episode, when he normally isn't mentioned at all in any of the other adaptions he disapproves of... which is all of them, except the one mentioned above.
Probably because Moore doesn’t even like the Killing Joke. He thinks it’s one of his weaker works and is just shock value for shock value sake (which I tend to agree with).
@@Call-me-Al It's not so much that it's his best work, but that Killing Joke was really influential. Alan Moore wrote the best batman comic book of all time, and it's not even his best work.
I respect Alan Moore's decision to not want anything based on his work to be published, but as a consumer i liked the Watchmen movie and I'm liking the TV show so far.
What's good about the TV show? I heard it's one of those 'corporations make their own show and just slap IP flavour text on it' shitshows. Like it's set 'in the future' and so completely separate it's _basically_ a totally different universe, just with a few crappy easter eggs like the bad guy being 'inspired' by Rorshach or something? Obviously I've never actually seen it because I love the comic, liked the movie, and was _thoroughly_ put off by all the reviews going "wtf is this bullshit?"
@@georgethompson1460 Uh...whut? The whole point of Manhattan is he _can't connect with people_ because they're so infinitely insignificant to his perception; the entirety of the story centers around _just_ making him see that the causality/butterfly-effect of even an ant makes it relevant to the universe, but that just alters his ability to _see_ the ants, not to identify as them and love specific individuals. And wtf is even the justification for Rorshach? He's a _monster_ in the comic because he's completely and utterly psychopathic and the only reason he's not _evil_ is a choice to punish the wicked instead of just hurt _everyone._ How the hell does that get turned into the KKK? Yeah...that really does just sound like "we have this IP, just slap the names on shit!" crappy adaption 101.
@@melhupby The show's creator, Damon Lindelof, is actually a big Watchmen fan and the show basically examines the world after the graphic novel and there's interesting ideas like people who have PTSD from the giant squid and how Adrian feels about the world after his plan. And the KKK group isn't made by Rorshach. After his journal is published this white supremacy group misinterprets his writings to be about race.
As much as I liked the Watchmen comics, and quite a bit of Moore’s work. I disagree with quite a bit of his opinions. For example, he once stated that adults should not watch superhero movies and talked down on those who did, calling them childish. In my opinion superhero movies can certainly have deeper meaning and be enjoyed by adults and children alike.
Same here. A lot of Moore's work has an incredible amount of cynicism with many characters primary motivations being somehow sexual. And a lot of his work is very much for the time it was written in. Many of the themes of Watchmen's nuclear fueled world don't really apply to today's world. And while I like his artistic integrity, it does get somewhat annoying when someone else wants to use the themes from the original Watchmen and try to use them to explore another topic or see how they apply to the modern world. For example, DC recently did Doomsday Clock which I think was a great story that explored how Superman has shaped our real world. But Alan Moore only denounced it since it involved Watchmen.
@João Gabriel it's funny how Moore has spent years calling DC and Hollywood unoriginal when all the watchmen characters are just rip offs of the Charlton comics characters.
That’s only a little ironic considering his most famous work was supposed to be derivative of older dc characters and because they said no he was forced to create his own
There was only ever one adaptation of his work that Alan Moore actually likes and that is the Justice League Unlimited episode, "For The Man Who Has Everything" based on the Superman comic of the same name in which Batman and Wonder Woman (And Jason Todd in the comic) go to The Fortress of Solitude to give Superman gifts for his birthday, only to find that Superman has a parasitic plant on him that's keeping him in a catatonic state. The plant was given to him under the guise of a birthday gift by Mongul (a tyrannical alien warlord that rules a mobile planet where he hosts gladiatorial games) as revenge after Superman (and Supergirl) had defeated him. We also learn that the plant in question is keeping Superman in his state by basically showing him his greatest fantasy which we find out is actually Superman on a Krypton that never blew up, he's still Kal-El, he has a wife and son and he's a farmer and the only way to remove the plant from his was for him to not only acknowledge the fact that what he was living in was a dream world, but also to give it up. Not only did Alan Moore actually like this adaptation, he also allowed for his name to be credited in the episode, something that he always told the studios that adapted his works for remove from completely because he didn't want his name on something he didn't like.
IMO, the episode was actually better than the comic, which is probably why Moore liked it. In the comic, Krypton was kinda shitty, and crumbling, but in the episode, it was a paradise. This the choice Clark had to do, all the more harder. He had to reject paradise to be free. The thing I also find funny, is just how big of a loser Mongul was in the first episode he appeared in the show, but when he appeared in this episode, it was a total night and day comparison . It's all due to the comic, since they ripped his dialogue straight from it. So he went from a slimey wimpy warlord, to a sociopathic chad.
ohh yea..forgot abt that, im sure there is a separate contract for the games tho right? movies and games are different..so im sure if sony let go spiderman to fully be in marvel movies they would still have the games(which are fuckn great and hope they keep the rights just cuz of that)
@@DelusionalInsider they probably could sell movie rights without selling game rights. I'm pretty sure Disney has toy production rights for Spiderman. That's probably why Disney wants those movie rights so badly. Movies help sell toys.
Sony only owns the film rights, not the game rights, we still see Spiderman in games like Marvel vs Capcom and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, the only reason why he was not in the Avengers game is because Sony paid Square to keep him PlayStation exclusive, like how Sony and Microsoft pay companies to make a game exclusive to their console for a year.
@@blakdeth It is because Marvel and Sony were in talks about making an exclusive Marvel game for the PS4, and Insomniac chose Spiderman, Insomiac/Sony owns the right to make that version of spiderman, but if they want to make a Spiderman game that is not part of their bersion, they will have to get in talks with Marvel again. As Marvel owns the videogame rights for all the Marvel characters, including Spiderman.
DC's chicanery goes deeper: the way I heard the story was Moore proposed a story very much like what Watchmen eventually became using the regular roster of DC heroes called 'Twilight of the Gods'. The editors at DC rejected that idea but like the story element and said Moore could use characters from a smaller comic company DC had bought up. Moore went ahead and wrote Watchmen using these characters and the editors didn't like the finality of the story because they wanted to eventually absorb those characters into the regular DC universe. Moore just changed the names of the characters and watchmen went ahead as we know it. After all the crap Moore put up with in the late 80s, DC published Kingdom Come in the mid 90s which was about the DC characters in the future when they're all older. They basically took Moore's Twilight of the Gods treatment, gave it to another writer and published it as their own thing with no acknowledgement to Moore
The phrase "milk the big blue cow" just made the star wars scene with Luke and the blue milk more real for me and explains why Luke was so disdainful in the movie. So meta
If I'm ever put in a situation where a company wants the rights for something of mine I would definitely include a time limit where after X years I would have the ability to take back the rights if I'm not happy with how they are using them.
Every Allan Moore fan knows he hates all his movies, after League of Extraordinary Gentleman he washed his hands of adaptations and having anything to do with them: he HATES V (as do i, it’s completely unfaithful for no reason) the best adaptation was probably Watchmen, but the graphic novels are all SO much better, but his graphic novels are designed to showcase the medium of graphic novels. Edit; wrote this before watching, so glad you mentioned that. As someone who writes all different types of media, Graphic Novels have very specific strengths snd weaknesses, and Allan is the very best ever at highlighting those strengths and mitigating the weaknesses. Watchmen is the most famous thing he’ll ever make because it is the GREATEST graphic novel ever made, and there will never be one better. It is the pinnacle of Graphic Novels.
Yeah that's true, I mean it's a good film, but I believe Stephen King disliked the portrayal of the Dad by Jack Nicholson. And how certain elements he thought were good, got cut. So then he did his own adaptation and not a lot of people seem to really like it. Sometimes things don't translate well between mediums and it's kind of counterproductive to make an exact retelling of his book. Cause then, why aren't you just reading the book? Overall I think Kubrick did a good job in adapting the story into the medium of film. There've been other examples of similar adaptation failures, like the cgi animes of Berserk.
@@thekrakenexperiment280 I mean, I doubt he would get surprised or upset if JM Barrie had crawled out of his grave to tell him that he should be ashamed of what he did to Wendy. He'd probably consider that fair.
@@thekrakenexperiment280 I don't think that we can see Moore's imaginative take on older characters and genre cliches as hypocrisy. What he does is simply light years better than the poorly considered drek that Hollywood pumps out.
I feel like you'll get this a lot, but the Watchmen TV show is a sequel to the comic, not a straight adaptation. It takes place thirty years after the comic, and shows white supremacist groups using Rorshache masks as their image. DC have made prequels and sequels to Watchmen, but the TV series is it's own thing and is a much better exploration of the themes from the original comic than Snyder's version or the comics DC has since produced.
@@MrWhiteVzla the original was super pro social justice though. Like, it was a super obvious critique of Conservative politics of the time. It's only natural that a modern version would critique Conservative politics of our time. I don't think you read the book nor watched the show tbh
It's basically just Copaganda perpetuating the myth that there's just that 1 Racist in the Police force not that the way the laws and force itself are designed is racist (there's such a huge amount of Literal White Supremacists in the force)
That what I thought too unless what we read was a lie like the dude from v for vendetta which I hope not that episode is in my top 10 episodes of the DCAU
Funny story, something similar happened with Miracleman and Marvel, except marvel tried to meet all of Moore’s demands in order for them to put Moore’s name on the reprints. The problem was that the person at marvel that was suppose to notify Moore that all his demands were met was one day late in letting him know, thus reprints of Miracleman are credited to ‘Original Writer’.
This reminds me of the story of Stan Lees daughter, talking about how disney and sony doesnt share the compassion about his creations. they shouldnt be controlled by one company, they should be seen and told by multiple eyes.
I just wanna add to this discussion as Ive worked with Alan in the past on a few art projects and he is super lovely, very kindhearted and not grumpy at all, people probably get that side of him by aproaching him in the street or talking films with him.
People in the UK can listen to Stewart Lee interviewing Moore about this and other stuff on Chain Reaction on the BBC Sounds app. It's well worth a listen.
Same here. It's just as good as any other movie in that genre. No more or less corny...no better or worse graphics....not sure why people wouldn't like it. Other than until this video I had no idea it was based on a graphic novel. I stopped reading comics when I was like 8 years old so I don't keep up on stuff like that.
DC is still using the Watchmen in their comic to this day. I believe there was a cross over where Dr. Manhattan crossed over to the main DC universe in Dark Knight’s Metal. It’s really sad to know he’ll never be able to put a stop to his work being used.
The comic book industry is built on the efforts of those preceding the creator. Moore made a good name by using both original characters and characters that were old when he took a stab at them. I don't see why modern creators should be denied the opportunity to do the same
@@abuamaanpal don't get me wrong. He made a magnificent take on, say, The Joker. He probably did the best take on him yet... But before he did, someone else had made the best take on the character until then. Comic books as an asset medium is a cumulative and group effort, doesn't seem right to sent future artist the opportunity to do the same.
@@abuamaanpal art is an iterative process. By now, I don't think dc should own the rights to watchmen. I also don't think that Moore should have them. It should have been in the public domain for over a decade
if you ever find yourself asking should I trust this multi-billion dollar company, remember multi-billion dollar companies did not become multi-billion dollar companies by giving IP away.
I don't think you know what hypocrisy is. Admiring / respecting someone and their views, doesn't stop you doing your job. Just because He doesn't want this doesn't mean you don't have to do it especially when it's your job.
I love Alan Moore, I love the Watchmen comics, I love the movie, and the hbo t.v. show. I just like seeing the characters on screen, even if they arent entirely what Alan Dreamed of.
I would have liked the Watchmen movie if not for the absolutely terrible way they handled Ozymandias. He wasn't some young punk edge lord, he was a tired older gentleman haunted by what he viewed as a choice he "had" to make to save the world from itself. That one small change altered everything about the movie and made it so much worse.
You do have to appreciate Will Smith as the genie, because Will Smith genuinely wanted to do a good job to respect Robin Williams, Will Smith even talked about something along those lines Sincerely, Mr. Centurion
At the time that Watchmen was originally published, the deal he made with DC was seen as very generous. The idea that any comic book would sell like Watchmen did was inconceivable. The idea that Watchmen would NEVER go out of print literally didn't occur to anyone.
There are apparently only two adaptations of his work that Alan Moore actually likes. One was the Justice League Unlimited episode based on "For the Man who has Everything", and a Saturday Morning Cartoon parody of Watchmen.
For those who wonder how can he hate something he has never watched, he gets the scripts which tho aint the same as the film, the story and plot is the same. He hates every script he's gotten.
Alan Moore realised they didn’t read the graphic novel. No Alan Moore realised they didn’t read the comic book, the man hates the term graphic novel yet that is what all his work is referred to
I'm studying English at the University of Northampton (the town where Moore lives) and when we went to study V for Vendetta my lecturer said now normally we would go to Moore's local to have a pint with him but unfortunately, Covid is a thing so that's how the start of uni is going for me
My biggest pet peeve is when someone uses the excuse that you don't get it if you say you don't like something. More often then not you get it but still don't like it. Or if you don't get it then the creators did a piss poor job at making their point.
Anal Moore is a national treasure. He's intelligent as hell and hillarious. I highly recommend checking out any of his interviews with Stewart Lee (they've interviewed each other plent of times).
Well, it wasn’t the “real” Batman. There were at least 2 versions of Batman, Superman, and Flash. Because that’s the best way to introduce new characters apparently.
I'm gonna be honest, at one point I did feel bad for Alan Moore, but as I've learned more about him over time and found the number of people he himself has screwed over, I can't say I feel that bad that a similar thing happened to him. What goes around comes around.
I re-watched watchmen recently. Rorschach definitely wasn't a good guy... To be honest, I don't respect anyone's opinion on a thing they haven't experienced first hand. Alan Moore made some masterpieces, but that doesn't make any derivative work pointless. I take 6 months to read a book so I would much rather watch a movie version in 90 minutes, as it's a better use of my time. Excluding mediums out of hand reduces your potential audience, and it's also a bit insulting to the medium and artists who operate within it.
don't quite know why, but this makes me think of the night angel trilogy and the way of shadows graphic novel, but entirely flipped. like, the original author Brent Weeks wrote long-form novels that were incredibly awesome on their own, then someone came along, made a graphic novel adaptation, and it completely blew the author away, saying it should have originally been in that medium and he chose the wrong profession. still waiting on a night angel movie with Keanu Reeves as Durzo Blint. I need a Keanu Durzo on the big screen. that would be so awesome.
A big factor in Alan Moore’s hatred of Hollywood came during the production of League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. FOX was sued by another studio (can’t remember which one) saying they plagiarized their script for a different movie in pre-production called “A Cast of Characters” where various public-domain literary characters team up. FOX denied the allegations, but settled out of court which infuriated Moore (seeing it as an admission of guilt). He said testifying in the deposition was so unpleasant that he figured he’d been treated better if he (and I quote) “...molested and murdered a bus load of ******** children after giving them heroin.” It’s no surprise that Alan Moore never wanted his name associated with any adaptations after LXG.
Strictly speaking the Watchmen series isn't an adaptation but more a sequel set in the Watchmen world 30 years later. That might be what Lindelof meant, dunno.
I have a perfectly reasonable explanation of how a person could be a big fan of Moore and entirely respectful of his work AND be the director of the Watchmen adaptation at the same time. Keep in mind: This is NOT what was offered. This is a theoretical. The explanation is simple. Let's say, for the moment, I, someone who understands the work and acknowledges, understands, and respects the decisions and statements Moore has made, was in charge of it. If I wasn't the director... Do you think, for even a single instant, that the adaptation would've been... NOT made? Fuck that, they would've made it and found someone else! They would've seen that I'm being respectful of the original creator and told anyone else with that silly "respect" nonsense to fuck off too! They would've hired Michael Bay and told him to add more explosions because "explosions worked well with test audiences"! They would've rewritten it to be a parody without intending it to be a parody and thrown any sense of reality or impact or meaning out the damned window. So, in that position, what does a fan do? You KNOW it's getting made. Like it or not, it's GOING TO HAPPEN. You have two choices. Create an abomination yourself, but trim the fat and tone it down, reinforcing the principles that it was originally meant to enforce, pushing for it to be the best abomination it can possibly be. Or. Hand it off to someone. Who? Someone. Do they like Moore? Knowing the kind of people in charge of making movies? That's a maybe on a good day. Do they understand the story? Again, maybe, if you're lucky. Have they ever held a copy of the original in their entire life? Probably not. Will this version of the movie make a lot of money off of name recognition and because it'll inevitably be some explosionfest? Yes. Of course. Think those two options through. I'd choose option one and do everything I can to make it true to the original while still being a good movie. At least it's only an abomination and not shit too.
The killing joke is my favorite of his works, but man is the movie bad. The whole first half was just Paris France being a shitty villain and there was absolutely no reason for the sex scene
@@0Hammerhead0 Emmy's are about politics and who pays most to get them. Are The yellow first-down line seen on NFL a great show ? Cause that got a Emmy too, it actually got 2 Emmys, and it's not even a show it's a yellow line on the TV. How about the Nintendo controller, or the Sony controller ? Saying something won a Emmy means really nothing, it just means the company was big enough to use money to get nominated.
@@0Hammerhead0 This shows how little value we should put in your opinion, as you compare it to Swan Lake. As it also was seen as a failure at it's time, and only became popular AFTER it was redone. So what your saying is this will become great, after somebody rewrites it years later, well I have to agree on that then :)
@@0Hammerhead0 Don't keep up on shit shows, so I wouldn't know. But even the creater of wacthman thinks it shit too, as he too says it's not what the story was about.
Thank god Alan Moore doesn't live in Norfolk the county council would give away his address to the press and people would annoy him daily just so the county council they can get more money from tourism than people working
He was okay with making movies until he was deposed for about 14 hours because some script writer claimed they stole his idea for League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
I wanted to like Watchmen but it just missed the spirit, I think. The big one...in the graphic novel, everyone's fighting style is a reflection of their character. Nite Owl is a Batman-style BIFF POW puncher, Ozzy is the pinnacle of human ability, and Dr. Manhattan transcends you--He doesn't fight you, he just decides whether or not he's going to kill you right then. And there's something to that--how you go about hurting people, how much you do to them, would say something about who you are as a person. But in the movie, everyone uses this hyperviolent lethal approach, and it's not in Nite Owl's character to twist a guy's arm until the bone splits out the skin in glorious CGI closeup. And Zack Snyder tried to say they'd read the comic dozens of times and were onto all the nuance in it and wanted to replicate that for the movie--and then didn't do that.
HBO Watchmen did something that Alan Moore didn't, which is educate a lot of Americans that Black Wall Street was even a thing. While I can respect an original artist's intent, at this time in America, it is incredibly relevant, much the same as the original comic was in its time. Maybe it doesn't slap the same across the pond, when you don't have people in trucks driving around with fascist flags crying white genocide and stolen elections, but here it was an incredibly important piece of media.
It wasn't important. It was universally hated for exactly the reason you said it was good. All they did was hijack something that already existed and twisted it to have a meaning that it was never intended to have. It's like taking the beloved TV series Roots and turning it into a show about the importance of capitalism. Which is exactly why it's been abandoned and there will never be a second season.
It was good but I have to say it's quality doesn't matter it shouldn't exist. DC has repeatedly republished the graphic novel just so he can't have his rights back. To reiterate tho I like the show but I can agree with Allan Moore's stance against adaptations
@@noteem5726 that is completely untrue, the show has high reviews everywhere, fans of the graphic novel love it, it won 11 emmys, both for the actors performances and writing, the show is objectively a good show. The reason it won't get a second season is because it was a limited series, which means it's supposed to only be one season. The show runner Damon lindelof said he told the story he intended to with season 1 and didn't plan on making another season. Also no one is willing to continue production on another season without Lindelof, HBO would probably milk the series if they could. Also if you watched the show, they left very little room for another season, a lot of plot threads ended, characters completed their arc, doctor Manhattan died, the only hint at another season is that Regina Kings character might inherit his powers, but I think Lindelof would rather leave that open interpretation. And Gibbons the co-creator is a consultant for the show and is extremely happy with it, Moore just hates DC and any Hollywood adaptation of his work, which is fine, but it doesn't mean the adaptations are necessarily bad.
@@junaydfisher211 Of course! After blacks started crying about oscars so white they just started giving it to them for no reason. This is what happens when you demand the things you haven't earned they call it "woke"
V for Vendetta the comic seems to sometimes get a co-wtiter credit for the artist David Lloyd. And Lloyd was OK with the movie screenplay. So that's a bit of a wrinkle in the narrative of this video.
I'm not entirely sure on the timeline, but at I have a feeling may Neil Gaiman learned from Allen Moore's swindling. Because he managed to keep the adaptation rights of Sandman in his own hands. DC/Vertigo can't even use his OCs in new comics without his permission. Which is exceptional given how writers aren't entitled even to compensation for their characters or story lines in adaptations, all of it goes to the publisher. Also Neil Gaiman rightly understands how scary Hollywood is. He wrote a short story and half of the horror was an author whose book was gonna be butchered in the adaptation. And even worse, the book was nonfiction!
Im not trying to be disrespectful, but, Sean Connery stopped acting because of how bad League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was but in 2012 did Sir Billi 🙃
because both DC and Marvel continually kept pissing him off, he only worked with independent publishers to produce his own work. Then every time he created something new, the independent publishers would find themselves under siege, usually by DC, trying to buy them out
Yeah, I thought it was pretty decent. To anyone reading this I’d watch the movie before reading the comic, since the movie skips over some stuff that was good but ponderous. This way if you do the book second you’ll be delighted with something more rather than disappointed they left something out...
@@AnkhAnanku this is my strategy to basically everything that was based on a book. The only time so far that I was surprised at the equal quality was The Martian, because both are pretty perfectly done for the respective mediums they were done in. If they wanted a 1:1 content adaptation for it, they would have needed to go with a mini-series instead of a movie. They cut out things I really enjoyed in the book, that even I knew really would not have worked for a movie pacing.
Ik you don't strike me as a person who's into football, but I'd love to see you talk about football, maybe the incredible story of Jimmy glass, and his humble later life as he went on to become a taxi driver before being goalkeeper coach at Bournemouth but still remaining very quite.
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What a chad
well you don't have to but thank you for not being a scum bag
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I have RUclips premium so I don't see them anyways, but I appreciate you sticking to your principles
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Art is more important and available than ever, yet artists still get screwed over.
That's literally the nature and purpose of capitalism. The actual producers get screwed.
@@MrBudPuphin Just like all the marvel movies and the dark knight trilogy right?
@@zayden1569 you don't think the people making those movies never got screwed by the the higher ups at disney?
You do realize marvel isn’t a real person right?
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Apparently one of the few adaptations Alan Moore actually likes is Harry Partridge's "Saturday Morning Watchmen" because the satire only works because Harry understands the source material
Thats amazing! Do you have a link to the source of Alan Moore saying he likes it?
@@ShapelessHail No, unfortunately, it may just be an Internet rumour :(
You mean the Watchmen cartoon?
You might be confusing satire, which is the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices. Note that exaggeration and ridicule are not inherently comedy or funny. You might mean parody, an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
@@bsabruzzo its satire, because it's satirizing how DC treats their adult franchises
my hometown getting its first mention on here as a small town in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, nice
Well I only heard of Southhampton before...
So you live in a small town in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
Oh, hey, if you see Alan, could you tell him "hi Bob" for me? He'll know what I meant.
Could you imagen what he would say about dudley?
Woah woah Both Norfolk And Northampton are genuinely not bad places, I live in a place called Buckingham, it’s genuinely in the middle of nowhere.
I've always the excuse when someone says, "You just didn't like it because you didn't get it"
My response 9/10 times is, "No, I got it, and that's exactly what made me hate it"
It's like when I say Ii don't pike animals lile cats or dogs because they'reD and messy and people say "thats what cats/dogs do!" Like yeah. I know thats what they do and thats why I'm jot keen on them XD
Not liking something is different than something being bad. You didn't like it because yes, you did not understand it. But you try to say that it was bad. You do not like only good things. Pull your head out of your ass.
@@DissectingThoughts people ate calling you a moron, because you display the characteristics of a moron.
The Alan Moore adaptations are a prime example of Hollywood doing what Hollywood has always done, butchering stories left, right and centre. Reminds me of when some company wanted to adapt Mort by Terry Pratchett (a book about Death taking on an apprentice), and the execs said "we love it, but we want to lose the death angle." Pratchett allegedly walked out of the meeting.
I think what the execs probably were hoping Pratchett would say was, "Super easy, barely an inconvenience!"
I can't imagine someone this dense _runs a company._
ItS nOt ThAt DiFiCuLT JuSt gEt rId Of tHe mAiN PaRT oF yOUr sToRy
Disney even shamelessly made a film about the author who hates what disney did to her work, a.k.a Saving Mr. Banks
I wonder why Hollywood does this? Maybe communists in hollywood influenced executives preferences for movies changing the themes of movies to fit a communist agenda which eventually influenced the preferences of these executives hence "Let's change the death thing" because it involves changing a negative pessimistic theme which is very grounded in reality to something more positive which fits the narrative of the purpose of art in communists eyes.
I also could be bullshit.
Best story about Moore was when DC's lawyers kept upping the money they were offering for him to work with DC again. The lawyers simply thought he was playing hardball and went to the maximum they were allowed to authorize. Apparently he enjoyed watching their utter confusion and panic when they realized "If it's not about the money, what the hell does he want?"
I swear we are actually living the prequel for V for Vendetta
ooof😬
the movie version...but yeah...
For real, man....😬
It’s the reboot of the Haitian revolution
That...is kinda the point of the movie... ^_^
I'm just gonna say ''Captain Britain, A crooked world'' is my favourite Alan Moore story
I will go read this now thanks
For the Man Who Has Everything, Watchmen, and Swamp Thing #37. These are mine
Same here. Man Who has Everything, Miracleman, and Watchmen are my favorites.
The Jaspers Warp!!!
@@JonathonSwinney2814 the entire Swamp Thing saga while Alan Moore was writing it, is one of my all time favorite comics...I cannot express how much I love those comics...😂👍
If I hadn't watched Watchmen I never would have read the graphic novel.
That’s the power of adaptation. Adaptations, even bad ones, can introduce tons of new people to the source material. I would have never read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen if it wasn’t for the crappy movie.
@@thekrakenexperiment280 Yeah... For me, I would have not watched the amazing Death Note anime, if not for the shitty fuckin pile of shit bullshit piece of garbage heaping pile of stupid fuck adaptation of Death Note in 2017.. I knew about Death Note prior to that, but never watched it.. After watching the Netflix adaptation, I am curious if Death Note the anime is as bad.. Turns out it’s not, and it’s far more amazing than the Netflix’s one.. And for that, I am forever thankful to Netflix for making me curious to check out the anime because theirs are so shitty, I cannot stand it..
@@thekrakenexperiment280 The Witcher Netflix tv show introduced a huge amount of people both to the original works as well as the video games
@@thekrakenexperiment280 See I never have this problem. If I hear something is a book I will not watch it until I have read it.
@@SkapeGote That might not work anymore now. BBC's The Watch legitimately is not crediting Ser Tarry Pratchett, despite the fact that it is clearly biased (if extremely loosely) on the Vimes Diskworld novels.
Didn't he at least like the adaption of For the Man Who Has Everything from Justice League Unlimited?
I think that was the one exception. He even allowed his name to be in the credits of that episode.
Supposedly it's one of the only pieces of media outside of the comic books where you can see his name
He also likes the Saturday morning Watchmen cartoon.
@@inzamasiosare4021 Cartoons are comics in motion.
@@jordanwood3150 that Rorschach sure is nutty!
I can't recall the exact quote.
Goes to the effect of "it doesn't matter if what you make isn't that good as long as you made it".
Also "you just don't get it" is truly a massive cop out.
As someone who enjoys creating characters and stories this all sounds like an utter nightmare scenario.
Same here. I already had some major trust issues before watching this. Imagine now
Make sure to be extremely protective of owning your stories, especially in the internet age you can self-publish much easier, so if you make a financially successful story don't sell the rights of you don't want it to be butchered
My old youth leader has a copy of the Watchmen trade paperback signed by Alan Moore with "Don't ever get into comics - Alan"
Isn’t the JLU episode “For The Man Who Has Everything” based on a comic Alan Moore wrote?
I heard Alan actually liked that adaptation.
@@Chatedh Really?
@@Robert_Rankin yeah, but that's just something I heard. May or not be true.
@@Robert_Rankin Yes, according to the late Dwayne McDuffie.
@@Robert_Rankin Maybe I’m reaching here, but I think that’s because JLU still kept the less-serious, positive portrayal of superheroes they were once known for. From what I know of Alan Moore, he only wrote dark, “gritty” superhero stories in hopes it would diversify the comic industry into more types of stories (not just escapist superhero stuff); essentially bridging the gap between fans of “silly” superhero stuff and “mature” stories. However, he ended up hating the influence he had, because rather than diversifying American comics, he influenced most superhero depictions to be way too serious and cynical (in his eyes) without much room for different depictions or genres. Which he also thought was gate-keeping children who wanted fun, inspiring stories (the original intended market for superheroes) away from comic books. JLU still keeps the optimistic, child-friendly depiction of Superheroes Alan Moore originally fell in love with (and thinks modern comics are sorely lacking), so it makes sense he’d appreciate it.
Edit: It also helps the source material isn’t that dark or gritty, but rather in-line with the less serious depictions of superheroes. So this is likely a story Moore doesn’t regret writing.
After watching y’all for a long time I have started to say “taking the piss” and I’m from Tennessee. I be getting weird looks all day
Wait, do people not say that in America? I knew the phrase originated from England, but we say it here in Australia and I've met New Zealanders who say it
@@theFakeRed no they don’t unfortunately
@@rileyholloway8651 aw, that sucks. I think it's a fun phrase :)
Fun fact: There is one adaption of his work that Alan Moore approves of... and that is the episode of Justice League Unlimited based on the Superman comic "For The Man Who Has Everything". This is evident, due to the fact he is in the credits of the episode, when he normally isn't mentioned at all in any of the other adaptions he disapproves of... which is all of them, except the one mentioned above.
I'm surprised at no mention of Batman: The Killing Joke, which in large part shaped the Joker today, and won an Eisner award.
The movies was meh
One of my all time favorite comics.👍
Probably because Moore doesn’t even like the Killing Joke. He thinks it’s one of his weaker works and is just shock value for shock value sake (which I tend to agree with).
Are you sure his Swamp thing issues aren't better than that one?
@@Call-me-Al It's not so much that it's his best work, but that Killing Joke was really influential. Alan Moore wrote the best batman comic book of all time, and it's not even his best work.
I respect Alan Moore's decision to not want anything based on his work to be published, but as a consumer i liked the Watchmen movie and I'm liking the TV show so far.
What's good about the TV show? I heard it's one of those 'corporations make their own show and just slap IP flavour text on it' shitshows. Like it's set 'in the future' and so completely separate it's _basically_ a totally different universe, just with a few crappy easter eggs like the bad guy being 'inspired' by Rorshach or something?
Obviously I've never actually seen it because I love the comic, liked the movie, and was _thoroughly_ put off by all the reviews going "wtf is this bullshit?"
they basically turned rorshac into the KKK and Dr manhattan found true love...
@@georgethompson1460 Uh...whut? The whole point of Manhattan is he _can't connect with people_ because they're so infinitely insignificant to his perception; the entirety of the story centers around _just_ making him see that the causality/butterfly-effect of even an ant makes it relevant to the universe, but that just alters his ability to _see_ the ants, not to identify as them and love specific individuals.
And wtf is even the justification for Rorshach? He's a _monster_ in the comic because he's completely and utterly psychopathic and the only reason he's not _evil_ is a choice to punish the wicked instead of just hurt _everyone._ How the hell does that get turned into the KKK?
Yeah...that really does just sound like "we have this IP, just slap the names on shit!" crappy adaption 101.
@@melhupby The show's creator, Damon Lindelof, is actually a big Watchmen fan and the show basically examines the world after the graphic novel and there's interesting ideas like people who have PTSD from the giant squid and how Adrian feels about the world after his plan. And the KKK group isn't made by Rorshach. After his journal is published this white supremacy group misinterprets his writings to be about race.
@@georgethompson1460 makes sense that racists would take on the mantle of Rorschach since Kovacs himself was a big Xenophobe
Resident evil movies honestly should get the Alan Moore treatment
@@briansedlacek5225 there was voice acting? I seriously don't remember.
Alan Moore was my old partner you know...
As much as I liked the Watchmen comics, and quite a bit of Moore’s work. I disagree with quite a bit of his opinions. For example, he once stated that adults should not watch superhero movies and talked down on those who did, calling them childish. In my opinion superhero movies can certainly have deeper meaning and be enjoyed by adults and children alike.
Same here. A lot of Moore's work has an incredible amount of cynicism with many characters primary motivations being somehow sexual. And a lot of his work is very much for the time it was written in. Many of the themes of Watchmen's nuclear fueled world don't really apply to today's world. And while I like his artistic integrity, it does get somewhat annoying when someone else wants to use the themes from the original Watchmen and try to use them to explore another topic or see how they apply to the modern world. For example, DC recently did Doomsday Clock which I think was a great story that explored how Superman has shaped our real world. But Alan Moore only denounced it since it involved Watchmen.
@João Gabriel it's funny how Moore has spent years calling DC and Hollywood unoriginal when all the watchmen characters are just rip offs of the Charlton comics characters.
Alan doesn't hate the movie adaptions per se. He hates the fact that Hollywood has to adapt his works instead of creating original movies.
That’s only a little ironic considering his most famous work was supposed to be derivative of older dc characters and because they said no he was forced to create his own
@@creed8712 hey, nobody ever said humans aren't arrogant, pompous, and hypocritical at times.
Mr. Moore is a human btw...
@@dogewood5499 sometimes I forget with the snake god and all that
Been listening to your pods. Love em, and don't worry, I will never ever give you money.
Good man
There was only ever one adaptation of his work that Alan Moore actually likes and that is the Justice League Unlimited episode, "For The Man Who Has Everything" based on the Superman comic of the same name in which Batman and Wonder Woman (And Jason Todd in the comic) go to The Fortress of Solitude to give Superman gifts for his birthday, only to find that Superman has a parasitic plant on him that's keeping him in a catatonic state. The plant was given to him under the guise of a birthday gift by Mongul (a tyrannical alien warlord that rules a mobile planet where he hosts gladiatorial games) as revenge after Superman (and Supergirl) had defeated him. We also learn that the plant in question is keeping Superman in his state by basically showing him his greatest fantasy which we find out is actually Superman on a Krypton that never blew up, he's still Kal-El, he has a wife and son and he's a farmer and the only way to remove the plant from his was for him to not only acknowledge the fact that what he was living in was a dream world, but also to give it up.
Not only did Alan Moore actually like this adaptation, he also allowed for his name to be credited in the episode, something that he always told the studios that adapted his works for remove from completely because he didn't want his name on something he didn't like.
IMO, the episode was actually better than the comic, which is probably why Moore liked it. In the comic, Krypton was kinda shitty, and crumbling, but in the episode, it was a paradise. This the choice Clark had to do, all the more harder. He had to reject paradise to be free.
The thing I also find funny, is just how big of a loser Mongul was in the first episode he appeared in the show, but when he appeared in this episode, it was a total night and day comparison . It's all due to the comic, since they ripped his dialogue straight from it. So he went from a slimey wimpy warlord, to a sociopathic chad.
Sony will never let go of Spiderman because he sells PlayStations.
ohh yea..forgot abt that, im sure there is a separate contract for the games tho right?
movies and games are different..so im sure if sony let go spiderman to fully be in marvel movies they would still have the games(which are fuckn great and hope they keep the rights just cuz of that)
@@DelusionalInsider they probably could sell movie rights without selling game rights. I'm pretty sure Disney has toy production rights for Spiderman. That's probably why Disney wants those movie rights so badly. Movies help sell toys.
Sony only owns the film rights, not the game rights, we still see Spiderman in games like Marvel vs Capcom and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, the only reason why he was not in the Avengers game is because Sony paid Square to keep him PlayStation exclusive, like how Sony and Microsoft pay companies to make a game exclusive to their console for a year.
@@Quickpatch12 really? Then how come insomniac made Spiderman ps4? They are part of sony. Was it a collaboration?
@@blakdeth It is because Marvel and Sony were in talks about making an exclusive Marvel game for the PS4, and Insomniac chose Spiderman, Insomiac/Sony owns the right to make that version of spiderman, but if they want to make a Spiderman game that is not part of their bersion, they will have to get in talks with Marvel again. As Marvel owns the videogame rights for all the Marvel characters, including Spiderman.
DC's chicanery goes deeper: the way I heard the story was Moore proposed a story very much like what Watchmen eventually became using the regular roster of DC heroes called 'Twilight of the Gods'. The editors at DC rejected that idea but like the story element and said Moore could use characters from a smaller comic company DC had bought up. Moore went ahead and wrote Watchmen using these characters and the editors didn't like the finality of the story because they wanted to eventually absorb those characters into the regular DC universe. Moore just changed the names of the characters and watchmen went ahead as we know it.
After all the crap Moore put up with in the late 80s, DC published Kingdom Come in the mid 90s which was about the DC characters in the future when they're all older. They basically took Moore's Twilight of the Gods treatment, gave it to another writer and published it as their own thing with no acknowledgement to Moore
The phrase "milk the big blue cow" just made the star wars scene with Luke and the blue milk more real for me and explains why Luke was so disdainful in the movie. So meta
If I'm ever put in a situation where a company wants the rights for something of mine I would definitely include a time limit where after X years I would have the ability to take back the rights if I'm not happy with how they are using them.
Every Allan Moore fan knows he hates all his movies, after League of Extraordinary Gentleman he washed his hands of adaptations and having anything to do with them: he HATES V (as do i, it’s completely unfaithful for no reason) the best adaptation was probably Watchmen, but the graphic novels are all SO much better, but his graphic novels are designed to showcase the medium of graphic novels.
Edit; wrote this before watching, so glad you mentioned that. As someone who writes all different types of media, Graphic Novels have very specific strengths snd weaknesses, and Allan is the very best ever at highlighting those strengths and mitigating the weaknesses. Watchmen is the most famous thing he’ll ever make because it is the GREATEST graphic novel ever made, and there will never be one better. It is the pinnacle of Graphic Novels.
I leave in Northampton, I have only saw him in the town centre once.
I find it a bit strange that this video is 100% for Alan Moore's position.
I'm reminded that Stephen King didn't like the film adaptation of Shining.
Yeah that's true, I mean it's a good film, but I believe Stephen King disliked the portrayal of the Dad by Jack Nicholson. And how certain elements he thought were good, got cut. So then he did his own adaptation and not a lot of people seem to really like it. Sometimes things don't translate well between mediums and it's kind of counterproductive to make an exact retelling of his book. Cause then, why aren't you just reading the book? Overall I think Kubrick did a good job in adapting the story into the medium of film.
There've been other examples of similar adaptation failures, like the cgi animes of Berserk.
Exactly! Plus no one seems to realize the hypocrisy since Alan Moore makes adaptations all the time, yet it’s ok when he does it.
@@thekrakenexperiment280 I mean, I doubt he would get surprised or upset if JM Barrie had crawled out of his grave to tell him that he should be ashamed of what he did to Wendy. He'd probably consider that fair.
@@Call-me-Al LOL
@@thekrakenexperiment280 I don't think that we can see Moore's imaginative take on older characters and genre cliches as hypocrisy. What he does is simply light years better than the poorly considered drek that Hollywood pumps out.
I feel like you'll get this a lot, but the Watchmen TV show is a sequel to the comic, not a straight adaptation. It takes place thirty years after the comic, and shows white supremacist groups using Rorshache masks as their image.
DC have made prequels and sequels to Watchmen, but the TV series is it's own thing and is a much better exploration of the themes from the original comic than Snyder's version or the comics DC has since produced.
It's shit, like it's basically a bleach smelling race-baiting power fantasy.
@@georgethompson1460 what
@@georgethompson1460 "waah waah show said racism bad! *shits himself*"
-George Thompson 2020
@@MrWhiteVzla the original was super pro social justice though. Like, it was a super obvious critique of Conservative politics of the time. It's only natural that a modern version would critique Conservative politics of our time.
I don't think you read the book nor watched the show tbh
It's basically just Copaganda perpetuating the myth that there's just that 1 Racist in the Police force not that the way the laws and force itself are designed is racist (there's such a huge amount of Literal White Supremacists in the force)
I think the only adaptation Alan Moore didn’t hate was That one justice league unlimited episode about the man who has everything
That what I thought too unless what we read was a lie like the dude from v for vendetta which I hope not that episode is in my top 10 episodes of the DCAU
Funny story, something similar happened with Miracleman and Marvel, except marvel tried to meet all of Moore’s demands in order for them to put Moore’s name on the reprints. The problem was that the person at marvel that was suppose to notify Moore that all his demands were met was one day late in letting him know, thus reprints of Miracleman are credited to ‘Original Writer’.
This reminds me of the story of Stan Lees daughter, talking about how disney and sony doesnt share the compassion about his creations. they shouldnt be controlled by one company, they should be seen and told by multiple eyes.
I just wanna add to this discussion as Ive worked with Alan in the past on a few art projects and he is super lovely, very kindhearted and not grumpy at all, people probably get that side of him by aproaching him in the street or talking films with him.
Now instead of ‘maybe he’s vampire’, it’s ‘maybe it’s satire’
People in the UK can listen to Stewart Lee interviewing Moore about this and other stuff on Chain Reaction on the BBC Sounds app. It's well worth a listen.
You better not delete this one guys lol
Moore hates that comic book movies are the forefront of pop culture. He said something about it recently.
Character named Rorschach, creator is shocked that someone else had a different interpretation of him.
ok guess i'm in the minority in liking the league of extraordinary gentlemen
Its a pleasure to watch it from time to time
Definite guilty pleasure
Same, it really is it's own beast separate from the comic, and I can respect that.
@@bodavidson2804 it's a guilty pleasure of mine when it would come on tv(years ago when I had cable)
But I felt very guilty enjoying it
Same here. It's just as good as any other movie in that genre. No more or less corny...no better or worse graphics....not sure why people wouldn't like it. Other than until this video I had no idea it was based on a graphic novel. I stopped reading comics when I was like 8 years old so I don't keep up on stuff like that.
The Watchmen TV show is not an adaption of the graphic novel . It a different story.
DC is still using the Watchmen in their comic to this day. I believe there was a cross over where Dr. Manhattan crossed over to the main DC universe in Dark Knight’s Metal. It’s really sad to know he’ll never be able to put a stop to his work being used.
The comic book industry is built on the efforts of those preceding the creator. Moore made a good name by using both original characters and characters that were old when he took a stab at them. I don't see why modern creators should be denied the opportunity to do the same
@@abuamaanpal don't get me wrong. He made a magnificent take on, say, The Joker. He probably did the best take on him yet... But before he did, someone else had made the best take on the character until then. Comic books as an asset medium is a cumulative and group effort, doesn't seem right to sent future artist the opportunity to do the same.
@@abuamaanpal art is an iterative process. By now, I don't think dc should own the rights to watchmen.
I also don't think that Moore should have them. It should have been in the public domain for over a decade
if you ever find yourself asking should I trust this multi-billion dollar company, remember multi-billion dollar companies did not become multi-billion dollar companies by giving IP away.
I don't think you know what hypocrisy is. Admiring / respecting someone and their views, doesn't stop you doing your job. Just because He doesn't want this doesn't mean you don't have to do it especially when it's your job.
He also gives all his Miracleman/Marvelman royalties to the original creator's estate(Mick Anglo).
"the one that you like most, audience at home"
I don't know if he's ever expressed an opinion of Swamp Thing though?
Swamp Thing (while Alan Moore was still writing for it) is among the greatest horror comics, or comics period, ever written.👍
Just a heads up. I know you hate this but there was a skipable video at about 7:30 in. Thought I'd let you know
I had 3 adds in this one today
I had 3 ads, too
Yeah I had one at the end of the video as well
The 5 second ad that appeared 6 seconds before the end of the video was the most annoying
@@darrylstark9259 The only thing worse is the videos that have ads every minute. Take longer to get through the ads than to watch the video.
Moore actually likes some of the adaption of his work, it’s the JLA cartoon episode “what do you get for the man who has everything.”
I heard: "so, far away *noise of car outside brain inserts 'Nisha'*" and then the deep voice of Lucas totally threw me! 🤣
How did you make this video without quoting his line about commenting about them from a point of absolute ignorance... its hilarious!
I love Alan Moore, I love the Watchmen comics, I love the movie, and the hbo t.v. show.
I just like seeing the characters on screen, even if they arent entirely what Alan Dreamed of.
I would have liked the Watchmen movie if not for the absolutely terrible way they handled Ozymandias. He wasn't some young punk edge lord, he was a tired older gentleman haunted by what he viewed as a choice he "had" to make to save the world from itself.
That one small change altered everything about the movie and made it so much worse.
You do have to appreciate Will Smith as the genie, because Will Smith genuinely wanted to do a good job to respect Robin Williams, Will Smith even talked about something along those lines
Sincerely,
Mr. Centurion
At the time that Watchmen was originally published, the deal he made with DC was seen as very generous. The idea that any comic book would sell like Watchmen did was inconceivable. The idea that Watchmen would NEVER go out of print literally didn't occur to anyone.
am one of the few individuals who honestly enjoys League, faults and all???
There are apparently only two adaptations of his work that Alan Moore actually likes. One was the Justice League Unlimited episode based on "For the Man who has Everything", and a Saturday Morning Cartoon parody of Watchmen.
For those who wonder how can he hate something he has never watched, he gets the scripts which tho aint the same as the film, the story and plot is the same.
He hates every script he's gotten.
Alan Moore realised they didn’t read the graphic novel.
No Alan Moore realised they didn’t read the comic book, the man hates the term graphic novel yet that is what all his work is referred to
Alan Moore, king of taking the money and bitching about it afterwards. He's basically Tim Burton, if Burton had a shred of talent to begin with
I'm studying English at the University of Northampton (the town where Moore lives) and when we went to study V for Vendetta my lecturer said now normally we would go to Moore's local to have a pint with him but unfortunately, Covid is a thing so that's how the start of uni is going for me
I can't believe you referred to the Watchmen TV show as "even shitier" than the Watchman movie. 😕
My biggest pet peeve is when someone uses the excuse that you don't get it if you say you don't like something. More often then not you get it but still don't like it. Or if you don't get it then the creators did a piss poor job at making their point.
Anal Moore is a national treasure. He's intelligent as hell and hillarious. I highly recommend checking out any of his interviews with Stewart Lee (they've interviewed each other plent of times).
Alan Moore was once the guest speaker at a college. I believe the video of it is even here on RUclips.
Also Zack Snyder: "Batman had never killed people".
Except in every Batman movie made... except for Batman and Robin.
Well, it wasn’t the “real” Batman. There were at least 2 versions of Batman, Superman, and Flash. Because that’s the best way to introduce new characters apparently.
Didn't Batman Kill the Joker in Alan Moore's, Killing Joke?
@@ewankershaw6413 It was left up to interpretation
@@enar7207 until the point they made it cannon where he defiantly did not
The original creator should never sign contracts that take them out of the projects or take ownership away from their characters and stories.
To be fair though, V for Vendetta as a film is one of my all time favorites.
Just don’t tell Alan Moore about Doomsday Clock
Probably in the minority here, but I really liked From Hell. In fact, I have the DVD.
I have seen that movie 5 times or so. I love it too.
I will say, in defense of the TV series it is more inspired by Watchmen then an adaptation since it tries to be a sequel to the Graphic Novel
I mean watchmen would be mostly forgotten at this point without the movie I enjoyed the film its the reason I read the graphic novel
All I can think of is Alan Moore on the Simpsons
I'm gonna be honest, at one point I did feel bad for Alan Moore, but as I've learned more about him over time and found the number of people he himself has screwed over, I can't say I feel that bad that a similar thing happened to him. What goes around comes around.
Who tho? That's the first time I heard that.
Alan Moore: "I will be spitting venom all over this"
I re-watched watchmen recently. Rorschach definitely wasn't a good guy... To be honest, I don't respect anyone's opinion on a thing they haven't experienced first hand. Alan Moore made some masterpieces, but that doesn't make any derivative work pointless. I take 6 months to read a book so I would much rather watch a movie version in 90 minutes, as it's a better use of my time. Excluding mediums out of hand reduces your potential audience, and it's also a bit insulting to the medium and artists who operate within it.
don't quite know why, but this makes me think of the night angel trilogy and the way of shadows graphic novel, but entirely flipped. like, the original author Brent Weeks wrote long-form novels that were incredibly awesome on their own, then someone came along, made a graphic novel adaptation, and it completely blew the author away, saying it should have originally been in that medium and he chose the wrong profession. still waiting on a night angel movie with Keanu Reeves as Durzo Blint. I need a Keanu Durzo on the big screen. that would be so awesome.
A big factor in Alan Moore’s hatred of Hollywood came during the production of League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
FOX was sued by another studio (can’t remember which one) saying they plagiarized their script for a different movie in pre-production called “A Cast of Characters” where various public-domain literary characters team up.
FOX denied the allegations, but settled out of court which infuriated Moore (seeing it as an admission of guilt).
He said testifying in the deposition was so unpleasant that he figured he’d been treated better if he (and I quote) “...molested and murdered a bus load of ******** children after giving them heroin.”
It’s no surprise that Alan Moore never wanted his name associated with any adaptations after LXG.
Strictly speaking the Watchmen series isn't an adaptation but more a sequel set in the Watchmen world 30 years later. That might be what Lindelof meant, dunno.
I have a perfectly reasonable explanation of how a person could be a big fan of Moore and entirely respectful of his work AND be the director of the Watchmen adaptation at the same time.
Keep in mind: This is NOT what was offered. This is a theoretical.
The explanation is simple.
Let's say, for the moment, I, someone who understands the work and acknowledges, understands, and respects the decisions and statements Moore has made, was in charge of it.
If I wasn't the director... Do you think, for even a single instant, that the adaptation would've been... NOT made? Fuck that, they would've made it and found someone else! They would've seen that I'm being respectful of the original creator and told anyone else with that silly "respect" nonsense to fuck off too! They would've hired Michael Bay and told him to add more explosions because "explosions worked well with test audiences"!
They would've rewritten it to be a parody without intending it to be a parody and thrown any sense of reality or impact or meaning out the damned window.
So, in that position, what does a fan do? You KNOW it's getting made. Like it or not, it's GOING TO HAPPEN.
You have two choices.
Create an abomination yourself, but trim the fat and tone it down, reinforcing the principles that it was originally meant to enforce, pushing for it to be the best abomination it can possibly be.
Or.
Hand it off to someone. Who? Someone. Do they like Moore? Knowing the kind of people in charge of making movies? That's a maybe on a good day. Do they understand the story? Again, maybe, if you're lucky. Have they ever held a copy of the original in their entire life? Probably not. Will this version of the movie make a lot of money off of name recognition and because it'll inevitably be some explosionfest? Yes. Of course.
Think those two options through.
I'd choose option one and do everything I can to make it true to the original while still being a good movie. At least it's only an abomination and not shit too.
The killing joke is my favorite of his works, but man is the movie bad. The whole first half was just Paris France being a shitty villain and there was absolutely no reason for the sex scene
This is a petty technicality but the watchmen tv show isn't an adaptation but a sequel/continuation of watchmen
It is shit though.
@@0Hammerhead0 Emmy's are about politics and who pays most to get them.
Are The yellow first-down line seen on NFL a great show ?
Cause that got a Emmy too, it actually got 2 Emmys, and it's not even a show it's a yellow line on the TV.
How about the Nintendo controller, or the Sony controller ?
Saying something won a Emmy means really nothing, it just means the company was big enough to use money to get nominated.
@@0Hammerhead0 This shows how little value we should put in your opinion, as you compare it to Swan Lake.
As it also was seen as a failure at it's time, and only became popular AFTER it was redone.
So what your saying is this will become great, after somebody rewrites it years later, well I have to agree on that then :)
@@0Hammerhead0 Don't keep up on shit shows, so I wouldn't know.
But even the creater of wacthman thinks it shit too, as he too says it's not what the story was about.
Thank god Alan Moore doesn't live in Norfolk the county council would give away his address to the press and people would annoy him daily just so the county council they can get more money from tourism than people working
“It’s satire Zack Snyder and CinemaSins anyone
tbf Alan Moore has not seen the new watchman adaptation
If you liked movies like Hellboy but not League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I legitimately do not understand you as a person.
He was okay with making movies until he was deposed for about 14 hours because some script writer claimed they stole his idea for League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
I wanted to like Watchmen but it just missed the spirit, I think. The big one...in the graphic novel, everyone's fighting style is a reflection of their character. Nite Owl is a Batman-style BIFF POW puncher, Ozzy is the pinnacle of human ability, and Dr. Manhattan transcends you--He doesn't fight you, he just decides whether or not he's going to kill you right then. And there's something to that--how you go about hurting people, how much you do to them, would say something about who you are as a person. But in the movie, everyone uses this hyperviolent lethal approach, and it's not in Nite Owl's character to twist a guy's arm until the bone splits out the skin in glorious CGI closeup. And Zack Snyder tried to say they'd read the comic dozens of times and were onto all the nuance in it and wanted to replicate that for the movie--and then didn't do that.
Lost Girls is both beautiful and moving
HBO’s Watchmen is genuinely fantastic, so that’s at least one.
HBO's Watchmen is universally hated. It's stolen valor that should have never existed which is why there will never be a second season.
Not Eem ‘Universally hated’ is a hilarious claim. Gut-bustingly funny.
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Sure bud, enjoy the next season 🙄
I love the integrity of this man. To even deny income for tainted work
HBO Watchmen did something that Alan Moore didn't, which is educate a lot of Americans that Black Wall Street was even a thing. While I can respect an original artist's intent, at this time in America, it is incredibly relevant, much the same as the original comic was in its time. Maybe it doesn't slap the same across the pond, when you don't have people in trucks driving around with fascist flags crying white genocide and stolen elections, but here it was an incredibly important piece of media.
It wasn't important. It was universally hated for exactly the reason you said it was good. All they did was hijack something that already existed and twisted it to have a meaning that it was never intended to have. It's like taking the beloved TV series Roots and turning it into a show about the importance of capitalism. Which is exactly why it's been abandoned and there will never be a second season.
It was good but I have to say it's quality doesn't matter it shouldn't exist. DC has repeatedly republished the graphic novel just so he can't have his rights back. To reiterate tho I like the show but I can agree with Allan Moore's stance against adaptations
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It was a crappy show that's why it's second season got canceled
@@noteem5726 that is completely untrue, the show has high reviews everywhere, fans of the graphic novel love it, it won 11 emmys, both for the actors performances and writing, the show is objectively a good show. The reason it won't get a second season is because it was a limited series, which means it's supposed to only be one season. The show runner Damon lindelof said he told the story he intended to with season 1 and didn't plan on making another season. Also no one is willing to continue production on another season without Lindelof, HBO would probably milk the series if they could. Also if you watched the show, they left very little room for another season, a lot of plot threads ended, characters completed their arc, doctor Manhattan died, the only hint at another season is that Regina Kings character might inherit his powers, but I think Lindelof would rather leave that open interpretation. And Gibbons the co-creator is a consultant for the show and is extremely happy with it, Moore just hates DC and any Hollywood adaptation of his work, which is fine, but it doesn't mean the adaptations are necessarily bad.
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Of course! After blacks started crying about oscars so white they just started giving it to them for no reason. This is what happens when you demand the things you haven't earned they call it "woke"
V for Vendetta the comic seems to sometimes get a co-wtiter credit for the artist David Lloyd. And Lloyd was OK with the movie screenplay. So that's a bit of a wrinkle in the narrative of this video.
I really liked his work on Radioactive Man.
So you like the fact that he made your favorite superhero a heroin-addicted jazz critic who isn't radioactive?
I don't read the words, I just like when he punches people.
I'm not entirely sure on the timeline, but at I have a feeling may Neil Gaiman learned from Allen Moore's swindling. Because he managed to keep the adaptation rights of Sandman in his own hands. DC/Vertigo can't even use his OCs in new comics without his permission. Which is exceptional given how writers aren't entitled even to compensation for their characters or story lines in adaptations, all of it goes to the publisher. Also Neil Gaiman rightly understands how scary Hollywood is. He wrote a short story and half of the horror was an author whose book was gonna be butchered in the adaptation. And even worse, the book was nonfiction!
Im not trying to be disrespectful, but, Sean Connery stopped acting because of how bad League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was but in 2012 did Sir Billi 🙃
because both DC and Marvel continually kept pissing him off, he only worked with independent publishers to produce his own work. Then every time he created something new, the independent publishers would find themselves under siege, usually by DC, trying to buy them out
I rather liked V for Vendetta. Hugo Weaving is great at rolling the poetic dialogue, really liked it.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty decent. To anyone reading this I’d watch the movie before reading the comic, since the movie skips over some stuff that was good but ponderous. This way if you do the book second you’ll be delighted with something more rather than disappointed they left something out...
@@AnkhAnanku this is my strategy to basically everything that was based on a book. The only time so far that I was surprised at the equal quality was The Martian, because both are pretty perfectly done for the respective mediums they were done in. If they wanted a 1:1 content adaptation for it, they would have needed to go with a mini-series instead of a movie. They cut out things I really enjoyed in the book, that even I knew really would not have worked for a movie pacing.
Ik you don't strike me as a person who's into football, but I'd love to see you talk about football, maybe the incredible story of Jimmy glass, and his humble later life as he went on to become a taxi driver before being goalkeeper coach at Bournemouth but still remaining very quite.