UP, BNSF, BN, AT&SF, FURX, HLMX, CSX, Conrail and so many others at Silvis, Illinois! 7/17/12

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  • @DCxViper
    @DCxViper 9 лет назад +27

    I used to live here the shop was the former Rock Island service yard till 1980.almost 90% of the unit that go here are repainted or rebuilt and sent to other railroads.

  • @mt.rushmore7916
    @mt.rushmore7916 5 лет назад

    I feel certain I worked off EVERY ONE of those Burlington Northern 72-series engines. I was working back when we were receiving these units 4 and 5 days old out of La Grange. They were MAGNIFICIENT machines....which we used mostly for 99 to 126 car-long coal trains pulling out of the mines near Gillette, Wyoming. Seeing them dead and dying literally brings tears to my eyes. These units keep me adequately warm in very cold, dangerous winters. Sob...cry. I will never forget their screaming turbochargers up long grades like Moorcroft hill and the hard pulls out of the bottoms of those coal mines. I love you guys.....so long.

  • @TonyFleetwood
    @TonyFleetwood 11 лет назад +5

    i see a lot of UP tunnel engines are present, what a huge find, id set up a tent there!

  • @NorthlandTrains
    @NorthlandTrains 10 лет назад +34

    All these locomotives look like they've seen a lot of good use during their lifetime...

    • @daveyboy_
      @daveyboy_ 6 лет назад +1

      Keon's Trains were u nervous or was there an earthquake .

    • @oneeyedhacker715
      @oneeyedhacker715 4 года назад +2

      and they will get more after rebuild :D

    • @W4RR3N-AX
      @W4RR3N-AX 3 года назад

      @@oneeyedhacker715 These Engines should be rebuild

  • @9751asd
    @9751asd 8 лет назад +11

    if i ever won the lottery i would buy all these stored locomotives in a heartbeat!!!!!!!

  • @CPWindsorsub
    @CPWindsorsub 8 лет назад +5

    I just looked this place up on Google Earth and it loaded all of the engines so they're 3D and there's a lot of stuff that should be in museums. Deep in the bowels of this place I saw CN and Conrail F Units along with what look like 5 CN HR616s which were short lived cowl units built by Bombardier (sort of like the Canadian version of GE if they only built heavy equipment). CN only had 20 in the first place and were all retired in the late 90s. Very cool place. As far as I know NREX (National Railway Equipment) doesn't usually scrap these engines. They usually either fix them up and lease them or they use them for parts for rebuilds on other locomotives. One other thing I saw on Google Earth that was cool was they have the only two CP Genset units sitting amongst these locomotives.

  • @trainzguy2472
    @trainzguy2472 7 лет назад +6

    All the shortlines of America need to find this place! Infinite surplus motive power for all. TTI Railroad could use a few more GE 4 axles.

  • @ModalTrains4884
    @ModalTrains4884 11 лет назад +2

    Hey no problem man. I totally agree with you I wish more shops would do this. Like I said I know some will have to be scrapped, but others can be perfectly fine and maybe fine new life on Class II or Class III railroads if not switching or local duties on Class I's.

  • @curraheewolf
    @curraheewolf 9 лет назад +5

    Paducah, KY has a shop like that. Hence "Paducah Rebuilds" It has a fence ALL around it. There are signs that read: NO TRESPASSING, NO VISITORS ALLOWED, ETC... One can shoot a video through the fence, but that's it. I was informed that the rebuild shop was once a IC/ICG locomotive repair facility. In conclusion, may all of those locomotives rest in peace. Thank you for sharing. Happy railroading!!

    • @residentevil742
      @residentevil742 9 лет назад +3

      curraheewolf Yeah ICG rebuilt alot of old GP7s and 9s into GP8s and 10s and SD35s and 38s into SD20s.

    • @stevenmichael2845
      @stevenmichael2845 8 лет назад +2

      Yep, that's where the "Paducah Geeps" came from, the GP10s with the funny "frog light" on the nose.

  • @thenekom
    @thenekom 9 лет назад +1

    What a colorful collection of old diesels. Neat.

  • @markrhuett
    @markrhuett 11 лет назад +1

    Man I feel old. I remember seeing some of those SD40-2's brand spanking new right off the assembly line with the smell of fresh paint.

  • @BrokenWrenches
    @BrokenWrenches 11 лет назад

    My grandfather was a yardmaster at this Yard in Silvis (Kelly yard) back in the 60's and 70's. I grew up in this area back in the early 90's. I used to sneak down there and play on those old locomotives on the weekends. Back then there were some old F/E units and some random old Rock Island lines stuff there. I remember a couple old SW switchers very well. I was run outta there many times by the NREX railroad "police". good times !

  • @maccmusic113
    @maccmusic113 11 лет назад

    Seeing those conrail motors takes me back. Used to be able to hear those coming for miles away at night.

  • @railroader7016
    @railroader7016 10 лет назад

    The "old folks home for locomotives". Nice work. Lots of Santa Fe and BN Cascade Green units, even some BNSF units as well. Good work.

  • @2seeatnite42
    @2seeatnite42 5 лет назад

    Awesome footage...Born and raised in Quad Cities Illinois. Miss the Rock Island Lines. Thanks for sharing.

  • @catch489roblox5
    @catch489roblox5 3 года назад

    Wow! I saw some great stuff in this. Amazing!

  • @njRRtrainer
    @njRRtrainer 10 лет назад

    Great when you come across these finds.. Thanks for sharing lot's of RR History there...

  • @razrramonel4077
    @razrramonel4077 8 лет назад +2

    I liked both the Illinois Central Gulf General Purpose-8, & the Iowa Interstate locomotives in the yard.

  • @32012239
    @32012239 11 лет назад

    Amazing to see all the SD40-2's waiting to be scrapped...They once ruled the rails.

  • @JG40061
    @JG40061 4 года назад

    Thank you for sharing-Awesome!

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 6 лет назад +1

    Well I got to work on those Tunnel Units. Great locomotives in there day.

  • @florida_railfan_production3114
    @florida_railfan_production3114 11 лет назад +1

    Seeing all those contrails made me cry so hard :( I MISS YOU CONRAIIIIIIIILLLLLL!!!!!

    • @oneeyedhacker715
      @oneeyedhacker715 4 года назад

      i remember seeing 2 conrail sd40s working the yard by my house on the old pen

    • @Powerlines9000
      @Powerlines9000 4 года назад

      I love conrail to

  • @CSXEMDTrainLover
    @CSXEMDTrainLover 8 лет назад

    nice video Patrick and great catch of all the different engine's in your video.

  • @rickpalo1
    @rickpalo1 11 лет назад

    What a fantastic discovery, A RR fans dream come true. Thanks for sharing the video!

  • @theaveragerailfanner7447
    @theaveragerailfanner7447 9 лет назад

    i saw a ferromex engine in that scrap yard once! good video. i thumbs up

  • @_LLevi_
    @_LLevi_ 4 года назад +1

    OMG That is a big load of locos.

  • @pittsfordredfox
    @pittsfordredfox 11 лет назад

    I went here a few weeks back, they weren't too happy to see me. Everything was expensive but it was still cool to see all of this power in one location. There was a CP locomotive there that only 3 were in existence

  • @chuckysmith9960
    @chuckysmith9960 10 лет назад +6

    Saw some conrail trains sad they are gone

  • @amtrak3501
    @amtrak3501 11 лет назад

    Cool a CR C32-8! Only saw a couple. Man lots and lots of awesome power here

  • @OwenOgleby1
    @OwenOgleby1 11 лет назад

    So many people who drove those and so many stories. Wow...

  • @ModalTrains4884
    @ModalTrains4884 11 лет назад

    I am living in Rock Island right now. As far as my knowledge, most (if not all) these engines are either here to be refurbished and sent back to their respective railroads or are to be rebuilt and sold to other railroads. Not very many, if any, are scrapped. I'm sure some are, but most aren't.

  • @pauledstock225
    @pauledstock225 11 лет назад +37

    Hmmm...let's see...rent a helicopter, fly there some night and pick one of these engines up, set it down in my back yard. Nobody would even miss it! I'll plant some bushes around the yard to camouflage it, then I could go out there and play train! Or set up a big simulator inside the cab! Oh wait...wonder what my wife would say? Ahh, she'll be okay if I let her be the engineer sometimes...

    • @catlover2368
      @catlover2368 10 лет назад +1

      LOL

    • @Maine_Railfan
      @Maine_Railfan 9 лет назад +1

      get the one in the middle no one will ever know lol!

    • @jamesshanks2614
      @jamesshanks2614 8 лет назад +4

      If you called them they will sell you a complete locomotive cab with everything still in the
      Cab. Add a extension to garage will screens inside and a high end gamer computer
      To run the simulator program hooked up to controls in cab. You can buy the same
      Software the railroads use for their simulators.
      Food for thought

    • @짏恴六互_互民吖
      @짏恴六互_互民吖 7 лет назад +2

      I was thinking this.... I have stared at the railways of the US has so many side tracks you could do this

    • @SPNGLovato18
      @SPNGLovato18 7 лет назад

      Paul Edstock but what if the helicopter fall when a train is heavy?

  • @johnredhd
    @johnredhd 11 лет назад

    I live in the Quad Cities and have driven by that facility a few times. Silvis was the site of the Rock Island's major classification yard and locomotive facility. I believe the rebuild locomotives there now.

  • @Landaux
    @Landaux 10 лет назад +21

    I hope alot of these classics will be re-furbished. :-)

    • @railroader7016
      @railroader7016 10 лет назад +6

      Hopefully they will be rebuilt, with some, but highly unlikely with many since new powers are out such as those AC4400s, SD90 Macs, SD30 Eco units and all those other newer generation diesels. Still though, many of the units in this video were around since the 1960's and 70's. They were built to last and that they did. Will be sad to see many of them go. I hope I'm wrong on that but I doubt it. :-(

    • @svelements
      @svelements 10 лет назад +3

      Railroader70 sd30 ecos are rebuilt sdd40s on cp...

    • @CCTCanada
      @CCTCanada 10 лет назад +1

      Railroader70
      They do not make AC4400's and SD90's anymore, just saying.

    • @pkranz937
      @pkranz937 6 лет назад +1

      CCTCanada GE builds the AC44 for export. Their catalog actually goes back to the Dash 7 models.

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 6 лет назад +1

      I do also know there's a rebuild program for GP9's to turn them into GP20ECO's, so there's some hope for any of those in the lines

  • @xDieselv
    @xDieselv 5 лет назад +1

    This is so beautiful 🤧👏🏼

  • @rjkopp
    @rjkopp 11 лет назад

    Wow that is a lot of engines. I used to live in Richmond 78-85 and one time I went by a yard that was in the North part of the City. I want to think it was a RF&P yard, though What I recall doesn't look like pics I just looked up of the RFP but they also had tons of engines lined up and I was in heaven! No place to really stop and look in detail though.

  • @ScottTaipaleRail
    @ScottTaipaleRail 9 лет назад +3

    Nice, I know I see one at least that went to a good home! The Wheeling and Lake Erie bought 7370 at 4:20

  • @railroadpics
    @railroadpics 10 лет назад

    I wonder how many locomotives are here? And how many if the EMD SD40-2's are here? Prob more then 350!

  • @RoseSupreme
    @RoseSupreme 11 лет назад

    A US Diesel lover's dream!
    Though I don't know much about US Diesels (more into UK designs), it's cool seeing hundreds of these lined up! Quite colourful, too!

  • @ConwayTruckload
    @ConwayTruckload 11 лет назад

    I know this place. It is a rebuild facility. They totally rebuild these locomotives then resale them to small railroads and to companies over seas. This place was featured on Discovery channel on the series Great Structures.

  • @christophergalvan8
    @christophergalvan8 6 лет назад

    I'd like to have a BN in my back yard!!!!! That would kick ass

  • @douglasskaalrud6865
    @douglasskaalrud6865 10 лет назад

    I see more than one ex-Milwaukee Road dash-2 in there. Short fuel tank and hood-side bell tucked up just behind the cab. Weed-cutter plow on the rear pilot. Really miss seeing and hearing them howling up the hill through St. Louis Park. Wish TC&W would get a clue.

    • @pkranz937
      @pkranz937 6 лет назад

      Douglas Skaalrud I don't think it'll be too long before CP grabs TCW before the BN can get it. Of course, if CP were smart, they'd buy up the entire Milw main to Miles City from the BN.

  • @bemseer
    @bemseer 10 лет назад

    This is former Rock Island. Part of Kelly Yard in Silvis, Il.

  • @KikoBolaQuadrada
    @KikoBolaQuadrada 5 лет назад

    A frota de locomotivas norte americana realmente é gigantesca!! Sonho em ver um trem de vocês pessoalmente

  • @Muggar62
    @Muggar62 7 лет назад

    Each locomotive would have a story to tell . . .

  • @yankeesman14
    @yankeesman14 10 лет назад +5

    I would love to see that Southern Pacific Tunnel motor/#9300 get restored...

    • @timslager5966
      @timslager5966 6 лет назад

      MasterChef 117 4:34, I remember seeing this unit on a Pentrex video about Donner Pass from the 90's

    • @johnreynolds6291
      @johnreynolds6291 6 лет назад

      Hell Yes!! I Love that Red Nose, She'll Always be My Favorite.

  • @ComicBookGuy33
    @ComicBookGuy33 10 лет назад

    That is probably National Railway Equipment co. just north of Silvis, IL. They rebuild old locomotives into Gensets.

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat 10 лет назад

      Yes, that's exactly what this is. The former Rock Island shops are now an NRE facility.

    • @CCTCanada
      @CCTCanada 10 лет назад

      Not all locomotives in this video will be rebuilt into GenSets, most of them are actually for sale in there used tab on the website, I have seen various selection from GP30's to B40-8's

  • @ボッチチャンネル-n7b
    @ボッチチャンネル-n7b 7 лет назад

    Wonder if all that locomotive could powered up and hooked onto each other how many cars could they carry?

  • @abloogywoogywoo
    @abloogywoogywoo 6 лет назад

    Give some of them to museums! I know many of us here in the UK would love to static preserve some examples!

  • @Icky1911Films
    @Icky1911Films 9 лет назад

    Please respond: What highway/freeway was it off?

  • @JTTheRailfan
    @JTTheRailfan 9 лет назад

    Wow. Looks like a grave yard for trains. I thought they would be moving.

  • @Fitch721
    @Fitch721 10 лет назад

    The best, most diverse and intriguing generation of diesels ever here. These days I don't even turn my head to look at the uniform model and color/scheme power consists on the road. Boooooring!

  • @rammergramps
    @rammergramps 11 лет назад

    wow what a collection

  • @THEATREofPAIN270
    @THEATREofPAIN270 7 лет назад

    That's be a hard place for me to leave. Nice vid.

  • @JawTooth
    @JawTooth 10 лет назад

    Theres a TransKentucky Transportation Incorporated ( TTI ) slug in there! at 3:45

  • @DerangedDragon99
    @DerangedDragon99 11 лет назад

    It is cheaper to retire older model engines, than it is to rebuild/refurbish them. The SKO lines, out here in Wichita, KS, buys those older engines, and then rebuilds them for use on their lines. The SKO is a subsidiary of WAMX, (Watkins America, Inc.); owned by the late Richard Watkins.

  • @MultiSuperman800
    @MultiSuperman800 9 лет назад

    Great Video. Loved It.

  • @ppger44
    @ppger44 11 лет назад

    Is this a refurbishing yard for locomotives? Or are they being scrapped?

  • @ssweeps
    @ssweeps 5 лет назад +1

    How many?

  • @MidnightVisions
    @MidnightVisions 11 лет назад

    Its the former Rock Island facility. Look it up in Wikimapia.
    What a scrapyard.

  • @gregchamberlain8519
    @gregchamberlain8519 5 лет назад

    Look at all those 4,000 to 5,000 gallon fuel tanks on the engines. How many still filled with fuel? Its time to strip them of parts and cut them up. a lot of good useful scrap sitting there. Watched this on March 7 2019. don't even know if they are still there.

  • @BNSF798
    @BNSF798 9 лет назад +1

    NRE's website has the used locos for sale, as well as some rebuilt ones. ShmotzGaming BML54 Landaux

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 6 лет назад

      Tomcat101 I just went to their website to look, and they have a massive inventory, there's even some GP10's for sale! Only thing missing from the site is the price tag

  • @Icky1911Films
    @Icky1911Films 9 лет назад

    Also what Rostand did you take?

  • @eltacoma4412
    @eltacoma4412 8 лет назад +2

    Wowow I saw a old IC gp9 LH in the first 60 seconds

  • @williamjordan860
    @williamjordan860 11 лет назад

    Wow what a catch!!

  • @boatx22
    @boatx22 11 лет назад

    they need to have some historical foundation that keeps a locomotive from a no longer running railroad such as Conrail, Santa Fe, etc keeps it in original paint and puts it on display in a museum, in stead of being scrapped or re painted, who want's to start it with me :)

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 6 лет назад

      boatx22 there's already a bunch of them in existence, the main issue is that trains are expensive to buy :P

  • @vettebecker1
    @vettebecker1 9 лет назад

    If only I had the money to save a few a pieces of railroad history!!

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 6 лет назад

      vettebecker1 funny thing is most of them seem to be for sale, whether it be original or remanufactured/upgraded

  • @ThePostal67
    @ThePostal67 11 лет назад

    Yep, been there, wish I had the money and land so I could play all year.. That is next to the Rock Island line...

  • @RailsoftheNortheast
    @RailsoftheNortheast 9 лет назад

    That's a Railfanners dream!

  • @MNpolarbear
    @MNpolarbear 8 лет назад +17

    I would like to get ahold of about two dozen gp30's and another dozen sd 40-2's for passenger service across Minnesota, north of Minneapolis to Duluth then to Two Harbors then northwest to Hibbing west from there to Grand Rapids then to Bemidji and final destination to Grand forks connection to Amtrak again west. northern Minnesota needs the service. we'll call it the "Iron" in Ojibwe. "Biwabik RR"

    • @majobis
      @majobis 7 лет назад +4

      I live in MN. This would never happen in this state. With the knuckleheads at the capitol jibbing and jabbing at each other. Pointing fingers at each other for who pays for what and stuffing tax dollars for their pet projects and failing as usual to get anything done. There once was a great rail system. Then buses came along, then flying anywhere you want. Even now that is getting expensive. Its great to ride a train. Try and tell this to the buffoons in public office and you will get a blank stare and they wonder what the hell you are talking about. I like your idea but like I said it will never happen.

    • @AwesomeDesertTrains
      @AwesomeDesertTrains 7 лет назад

      Reagan Morgan I'll take a couple dash 7s

    • @1940limited
      @1940limited 6 лет назад

      This would be the place to get them if you have the money. They will rebuild or refurbish the locomotive(s) for you.

    • @tommyhaynes9157
      @tommyhaynes9157 6 лет назад +1

      I love it

    • @sashajohnson1119
      @sashajohnson1119 6 лет назад

      Great idea, but they are freight service locomotives, so i would rather make a small railroad company

  • @1940limited
    @1940limited 6 лет назад +1

    I think this is National Railway Equipment Co. It's a former Rock Island facility. The locomotives will be refurbished and sold or scrapped. They have a web site that details what they do. It's pretty interesting. Here's the link: www.nre.com/

  • @steiger256
    @steiger256 8 лет назад

    do they scrap all them engines or do the rebuild or sell them. lots of nice old engines hate to see them cut up.

    • @pkranz937
      @pkranz937 6 лет назад

      steiger 256 They'll part them out, but there's only so much of a need for older EMD (567/645) parts, and with GE, pretty much everything from the Dash 7 on up is still available new or reman from GE (Alco's and GE Uboats can also use the Dash 7 parts).

  • @jacobtompke8677
    @jacobtompke8677 10 лет назад

    How are those junk! I would take the horn and the bell! And some other good parts too. Like the horn valve. But very cool video.

  • @nickbarman4145
    @nickbarman4145 7 лет назад

    I've been to there and it's so cool I live near there so I go there alot

  • @steiger256
    @steiger256 8 лет назад +1

    I like the 2 old Milwaukee Road SD40-2s. NREX 7356 And 6301

  • @Downriverboys1
    @Downriverboys1 11 лет назад

    Western Maryland, CP some good ones. Great one

  • @joehnunya
    @joehnunya 7 лет назад

    Saw a Factory fresh GP9 and 2 GP-38. not sure what version, but was told they are needed as the feeder routes can't handle SD-70s. NS outside of Memphis. North MS. Rails are old. shorter wheel base works better. Less ground.

    • @pkranz937
      @pkranz937 6 лет назад

      Joe Hart The smaller 6-axle units are best for light rail as they spread the weight out better. GP's have to high of an L/V ratio.

  • @SimonOfFortune
    @SimonOfFortune 8 лет назад

    Do you think they'd let someone get inside one of those?

  • @GarrettsTrains95
    @GarrettsTrains95 6 лет назад

    I hope they are still there! I want to see it if I ever go to Illinois

  • @PatrioticCoservativeAmerican
    @PatrioticCoservativeAmerican Год назад

    I hope some will be restored put in museums

  • @ScottishNSRailFan
    @ScottishNSRailFan 11 лет назад

    Great video. Rainfans dream.

  • @CRPULSE300
    @CRPULSE300 11 лет назад

    This is National Railway Equipments former Rock Island Silvis shop.

  • @PereMarquette1223
    @PereMarquette1223 10 лет назад

    Dang I think I saw a unit in Illinois Central Gulf paint at one point... that orange and white paint scheme. santa fe, conrail, UP, BN, BNSF galore...

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 6 лет назад

      PereMarquette1223 you did see one, and currently (July of 2018) there's an illinois central GP10 listed as for sale on their website

  • @jacobhinojosa6462
    @jacobhinojosa6462 4 года назад

    Someday I’ll will restore those locomotives as operational tourist attraction and display in railroad museum

  • @Night_Tim
    @Night_Tim 10 лет назад

    Saw a few of the units around 3:05 in this vid showing them on their way to the yard:
    A Must See - A 35 SD40-2 Locomotive Power Move!

  • @Csx_Ns
    @Csx_Ns 4 года назад +1

    I need to go there

  • @geoffreylee5199
    @geoffreylee5199 7 лет назад

    Wonder if they sell builders plates?

  • @UPDetector
    @UPDetector 11 лет назад

    A real railfans treasure trove to look at, just too bad they can't allow railfans access to look at all the engines sitting there, ohh well. Awesome stuff

  • @BCCMightySanta
    @BCCMightySanta 8 лет назад

    This is so awesome!

  • @douglasskaalrud6865
    @douglasskaalrud6865 4 года назад

    Plenty of 645 parts; Dash-2’s forever!

  • @TomNall
    @TomNall 11 лет назад

    Is this National Railway in Silvis, Il? Could be locomotives for parts for rebuilds.

  • @dennisswiatek9565
    @dennisswiatek9565 2 месяца назад

    Union pacific, Iowa interstate, Bn, Bnsf, Santa Fe, Conrail, Nrex, Illinois Central/Illinois Central Gulf, Hlmx, Furx, TTI, Csx, Rlox?, Southern Pacific, Railnet. I don't know the one with the split word on its side at 1:08. But that's every railway I spotted

  • @catlover2368
    @catlover2368 10 лет назад

    I went here and got permission to look around all i want and look inside some of the engines

    • @W12CO1
      @W12CO1 7 лет назад

      Destinee Meyer how hard was it to get permission to look around?

  • @darrencahill3800
    @darrencahill3800 9 лет назад

    Is it a scrap yard where those locos getting scrapped

  • @BNSF798
    @BNSF798 10 лет назад +1

    If you look on google maps at it, at the very top track are 3 Erie Lacawannas.

  • @rickmatuska
    @rickmatuska 10 лет назад

    its a former rock island facility at silvis , il

  • @kevinrichards3288
    @kevinrichards3288 6 лет назад

    That's a lot of locomotives.

  • @ILSRWY4
    @ILSRWY4 10 лет назад +2

    It is not "Iowa and Interstate" railroad... it is "Iowa Interstate" No "And" in the name and IT IS the old Rock Island engine facility.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 7 лет назад

      ILSRWY4 is the Iowa Interstate Railroad still in business or did it go under and get swallowed up by ConRail?

  • @worldwiderailfanproduction2841
    @worldwiderailfanproduction2841 8 лет назад

    Amazing!!! It's a foamfest in there lol Subbed ;)

  • @FinleysWorld
    @FinleysWorld 4 года назад +1

    I have drone footage from here on my page. Go back every year for the last 4 years on there