Regardless of how tough it is, the fact they didn't use any other digital assets like the sovereign, Akira or other ships (even from STO )and just copied and pasted the ships was a cheap and kinda tacky move imo
DS9 pulled out all this stops and the threw in the kitchen sink, washer, dryer and fridge when it came to showing nearly every main line class star fleet had!
It makes sense from a naval sense. Much cheaper to design one ship with 2 variants then 10's of ships. The inquiry might be like our Arleigh Burke. A relatively cheap, versatile and powerful ship that can be easily mass produced and deployed. Maybe it's the new age excelsior.
But where did the Romulians get the ships, the shadowy Tal Shiar must have been pretty low on resources after losing Romulus. Not forgetting they lost many of their ships when they tried to destroy the Dominion home world. How did they throw together such a massive fleet so quickly.
The Sovereign is still my all time favorite design. From the looks to the name of the ship class itself to how badass it is, it was a total package. This one is ... okay.
I personally go with the 'fast response' idea. What with the potential for a Borg attack or any other threat, and after earth being threatened multiple times over the decades, it wouldn't surprise me if the Federation went in for the expense of having a fleet of fast heavy cruisers located in Federation space, ready to respond. The 'Inquiry' somewhat ironically not exploring, but it IS a more sinister name than 'Curiosity', this is a ship class that is being used to quickly counter dangers. If these ships can all move at high warp, keep up with each other so as they arrive together and attack on mass, launch drones and fighters to confuse and overwhelm enemies like the Borg, and were constructed quickly in an assembly line process, it might make sense that Star Fleet has a defense fleet made just of these ships. And they might well have had a second wave of older and more varied ship classes on route? It IS unfortunate that other ship classes weren't shown as being present.
I call it for what it is the clone class. Seen one you seen them all. This is why i don't watch star trek Picard and China since they own Hollywood puts shows on a thin budget and you get limited amount of ship classes . That is why those ships and general Oh have Chinese names.
@@neganrex5693 I was being kind to the show as far as the reasoning. You're right, of course. The ships were digital clones that were copied and pasted with only one half-hearted variant. For whatever reason, laziness or legal, it is a shame that some representative earlier Starfleet ships didn't show up.
@@larqven0192 It would be nice if they put in a galaxy or two in their or any thing else. I'm beginning to think it is Star Fleets main battle fleet that fights wars so the other ships in star fleet can keep boldly trespassing where they never trespassed before and discover and make new enemies to fight down the road. Nobody seems to bring trouble to their own door step like Star Fleet. They are the other brand of Borg. LOL.
Star Trek writers have always been trying to go for smaller slicker ships that take less crew to manage. But it reminds me of what the U.S. Military is doing today. We are pushing to make one type of jet that is all stealth, vertical land and take off , etc. Our battleships during the Obama era, we have built smaller battle cruisers with stealth tech and nuclear power. Star Trek is pretty much doing the same thing that the U.S. military is doing. Making ships that can be managed by less crew , slicker and faster and just as powerful as a typical destroyer ship. I have no problem with that. Plus I doubt any of those ships housed civilians which is another thing to take into account.
Ironically even by the name of the flag ship, that's exactly how I felt about the Inquiry-Class Squadron... they are basically a swarm of ships controlled by the flagship. So they are: A) Easy to mass-produce B) Each ship in battle formation needs a minimal crew. or None. C) Kinda the same, so the response speed, command, and maintenance became quicker. Toughest, Fastest, most powerful... but also not the Biggest, nor comfortable, or Flexible... they have one job, get there, do the job with numbers, get out, quick response fleet. Probably something the federation realized was missing, since the need to assemble a fleet to evacuate the Romulans... and quick response to "defend" mars.
So, essentially the philosophy the us took in WW2 when they were able to mass produce cos they were easy to build. THey weren't made to be super impressive flagships like the old galaxy or sov's used to be. These look like they're meant to be workhorses... Honestly, getting a better look here, they look a lot like an NX design I've been working on for the last month as a test bed in 2380. Lots of similar design language here that I seem to have inadvertently keyed into. THough I go off in a different direction in places.
@@WinterRoseASFR1 I would say the most equivalent Inquiry-Class would be the WW2 T-34 Soviet tanks. They were ugly, they were simple, they were the bare minimum to work... But they were many, and they were cheap, and Tough... Who need a treadmill that need a pin with German levels of precision and doble lock nuts, to not fall down... When you can do Soviet... And design your tank in a way to the body hammer the f*cking pin back in place as you drive !
@@questionmaker5666 T-34 had extremely varying quality of build, since they were built pretty much everywhere you could work with steel. So you could have T-34-85 with almost same level of building quality as american tank right next to something that looked like it was bolted together in a barn by group of children (and probably at least partially was). But you are right, T-34 was example of quantity over quality. As long as they worked, make as much of them as possible and drown your enemy in the flood. And counting all the variants i believe its still second most produced tank in history.
I liked a lot of things about Picard, but this felt cheap in a place that didn't need to be cheap. The Inquiry class looks terrific as far as it goes, but that effect is moderated by the fact that they were all the same. They've got models for other ships. It was the same with the Romulan fleet. And *that* would definitely have felt more authentic with older ships, since Romulus had been destroyed and developing and producing new, advanced fleets was probably not feasible -- particularly in secret.
I would assume that the future warfare came to a similar conclusion as our warfare did after ww2 and in the following time - the ideal of different classes of tanks was abandoned, only main battle tanks stayed, which are mostly agile, but also protected and with firepower. I always assumed this was the reason fo rall the ships being one class, only with speciialized weaponry within the class. Also the argument in the video fits aswell.
@@Mut4ntG4m3r And we can't forget that all the different classes we saw are not all built all at once，it was a combination of 100 years of ship development. In dominion war you would see excelsior class，miranda class that would at least be 75 years old by that point being pulling out to battles. In beta canon there were also Constitution class that were well over 100 years old by the time of dominion war. The diversity of classes in-universe was just starfleet reusing old ships from storage. I mean if starfleet have 1000 sovereign class ships they would not need to or want to drag old ass constitution class out of their slumber just to boost numbers right
I agree, the copy paste fleet felt cheap. Literally all that they had to do was to take existing CGI model assets such as their Galaxy, Sovereign, Nebula, Akira etc, then upscale them into HD and add them on screen along with the inquiry. Maybe add in one Oberth as an in-joke. Similar, the D'deridex and Valdore classes could have been added to the Romulan fleet alongside this new design. I think it was a big missed opportunity. It would have been tremendously satisfying and would have made us starship enthusiasts very happy.
I loved the first season of Picard so much, but yeah you are absolutely right that this felt like a very weird cost-cutting move. If the Romulan fleet had a bunch of Mogai and D’Deridex warbirds with them, and if the Starfleet fleet had just some Akiras and Steamrunners and Sovereigns or Defiants mixed in, it would’ve felt much better. It doesn’t serve the story very well as it stands. It can’t possibly be that hard to just port over some CGI from the films and slap some modern digital lighting into them. Or just pay some Trekkie who makes CGI models of old ships in their free time to send over some files.
I feel that if they really wanted a quick reaction force that would be fast to build, they should have designed a new generation of Defiant class to supplement the inquiry class.
Thats pretty much what they did with the inquiry class. My theory is they took the defiant and the Voyager and blended them. I cannot see inquiry class as anything but the offspring of starfleets two toughest and most versatile ships.
@@lukepaugh162 Fine points!...but the advantage of the Defiant class besides being pound-for-pound tough is the fact that it's small and probably fast to produce. It just makes sense. Plus, I'm sure a good amount of Trek fans would cream their pants at an updated Defiant class ^_^
The problem with the Defiant is it's lower endurance for long missions. With the Federation getting bigger by the day with bigger enemies, that can be a donwside. But, you can balance that having smaller fleets on outposts and/or having a mobile station like class to support them in longer missions
I really liked your theory that the Inquiry class was mass produced to save resources after Utopia Planetia was destroyed, and how they are part of a quick response task force. Helps soften the disappointment of seeing a low effort copy paste fleet on screen. Also, great choice of opening music for the video!
In the same way I reserved final judgement on the Intrepid class until Voy's run concluded (fantastic class, worthy of veneration), I'll hold my opinion until I see this class do other than exist.
I have a head-canon/theory that these ships are printed "dry" in a giant orbital industrial replicator then loaded with stores, like anti-matter, torpedoes, dilithium, bio-neural computer parts, anything that can't be directly replicated, then sent out with a skeleton crew supported by advanced automated systems.
Sounds almost like the BBB production line of Andromeda class ships from the rebooted Space Battleship Yamato, the ships leave production with minimal crew or no crew at all and are "crew optional". Andromeda herself was converted to ZZZ variant with a single crew person to allow insane maneuvers without risking any crew. The pilot even has to wear a space suit because the ship is completely without life support except single suit support. Pilot can plus his suit into captains chair for extended ops, but never can take off his/her helmet.
A potential reason for this class of starship being so tough is that when the shipyards got destroyed they were in process of building a fleet of large ships ment to relocate the people of Romulus. These ship would have needed huge ships, warp cores, sensors, and defense wepons systems. Many of these components would have been manufactured at other sites then moved to utopia planita for final assembly, leaving a huge amount of components undamaged. Star fleet probably quickly developed this class using the leftover components attached to a common space frame giving the 3 variants. They will be overpowered because warp cores and nacelles were designed for ships of a larger size, sheild systems and deflectoers for ships that were going to be routinely near a star going supernova. Basicly like building a pickup truck using the components for a simi truck. It will take a beating and give one out.
@@Narium413 , not quite: 630 metres, vs. 685 m for the Sovereign class. As comparisons, the Galaxy class are 641 m.; the original Constitution class are 289 m.
@@DavidRLentz and galaxy was chubby. Nearly twich as wide and huge space. Galaxy was irritatingly victimized. She had phaser strips which could focus 6-8 seperate beams at any one time. 6-8 torpedo tubes. And the most advanced shields. It was designed to accomodate up to 10,000 if internals were configured. I wanna see the USS Galaxy refit. With new and improved ass kicking.
@@DavidRLentz yeah, but how much of that last 55m is sovereign's comically oversized nacelles? I'd love to see a for scale overlay of them lines up saucer to saucer, so you could actually see which ships were bigger, rather than which ones has REALLY back mounted super long nacelles.
Imagine copy pasting a single ship and coming up with a complex reason why it's the only ship present instead of just adding a few different ship classes
Also, you spend like maybe 3 hours in Blender to do this ship model, because it looks so blury and low resolution and with no details at all... Its like they did this last minute.
Imagine being the federation, a coalition of multiple species, and covering lightyears of space and having the destruction of just one shipyard, impacting just one species cripple your entire fleet capability.l
@@Desertskunk it was always in canon that the Utopia Planitia shipyards were the most important construction platform in Starfleet. This isn't a new concept.
@@2ManyGoats oh i know, i didnt say it wasnt canon, just pointing out how stupid it is for a multiplanet civilization to lean that hard on a single ship building facility.
That second episode of season 2 of Lower Decks had me yearning for a Titan series too. Even if it had to take the form of an animated Lower Decks spinoff, I'd love it.
The problem with this is that Frakes is older than he would have to be when he would be when in command of Titan. So either a younger actor would be needed or deaging tech would have to be used. Deaging tech worked with Data (I certainly wasn't able to tell TNG Data from Picard Data apart), but Data was MEANT to be artificial looking since he's an android. It would be much harder to do with a human character, all CGI imperfections would show.
In my humble opinion, it needs to be that lighter shade of grey blue, have Aztec plating, and of course the Star Fleet livery. Also they were able to build brand new, and also finish incomplete Galaxy Class ships for the Dominon War, as well as pump out Akiras and Steamrunners.
This is something that relates to most science fiction: no sense of scale. They have the resources of a good chunk of the galaxy, and they have only a handful of ships. To put it into perspective, there's more than enough resources in our own system to create millions upon millions of O'Neill Cylinders, which are orders of magnitude larger than the largest ships. If there were shipyards around every star which the Federation had a presence, churning out even just a dozen a year, that would still equal *thousands* of ships. There'd be dozens upon dozens of each class. The amount shown for Riker's fleet should be *typical* for each class.
I think that the limiting factor here isn't the physical resources to build them, but the Manpower to operate them. Crews must be trained and even if Starfleet's Academy is stuffed to the brim, it only can churn out so much personal a year. Even if you lower the standards for entry. Because, if we are honest, with enough energy and a big enough Replicator, you can get any size of Fleet given enough time. Manning it is a completely different thing.
That was one of the main advantages enemies like the Dominion had. The Dominion had the ability to just pump out new Jem Hadar to crew their ships. Starfleet, Klingons etc. had to spend years training their crews......
@@Luziferne The true problem is just a bad organizational structure not a lack of manpower, the Federation has close to a Trillion citizens in it and if you just had 1% of that dedicated to the fleet you would have roughly 10 Billion people using super future tech that increases each persons productivity far beyond anything we have today, the real question is why do you only have one star fleet academy? why not 10 or 100? Hell each main member world should have at least one.
@@Luziferne Keep in mind they have to actually mine to be able to produce energy, so that's a primary limiting factor too. Starfleet is always looking for more resources to make more warp cores, and replicators have an energy cost too. Since it can't replicate everything, they do have to get some number of resources the old fashioned way. So starfleet can't simply produce to its hearts content. The federation is also made up of a lot of different cultures, and multiple species pitch in to build these ships. We think of federation ships as earth ships, but they're technically not just earth ships, they're representative of many species pitching in with resources and technology. That can be a bit of a quagmire when it comes to overall resource management across the entire federation, especially considering different species can have completely different economies, cultures, resources, etc. Some may not be soo willing to part with certain resources for the greater good of the federation.
I always thought that the "DEFIANT CLASS", should have been mass produced, once the bugs were mostly worked out...and especially when the immunity to BREEN Systems Disruptor weapons was included in the design.
Probably ended up too underpowered for long term engagement. Good enough to hold off the enemy until the fleet arrive but not good enough to be the actual fleet. I think the Inquiry class would have a crew the same size of a defiant class... is this is a very automated ship.
@@nickl5658 Well the thing is, the INQUIRY CLASS, can be easily described as particularly powerful, but..Riker, only says...that it's the most powerful, yet, we never see anything to prove it. So we don't actually know, it's actually tougher, and/or more powerful than the DEFIANT CLASS. Something that this well made show, points out for itself..directly. Thank you no less, for your interest, and contact.
It was never mass produced because it was so powerful it tore itself apart when using it at its full capability. It took O'Brian and his team of engineers half the time they commanded the ship to get the warp core to work in an efficient manner (according to starfleet guidelines)
The defiant was a basic ship. Yes, it may have been powerful but you wouldn’t want to spend too long on it. Plus it was small. About the same size as a jemhadar fighter. So for engagements against bigger ships, you would need a few of them.
@@scottbraun2457 The Lakota was more powerful than the Defiant. I think it is important to distinguish Defiant pre-Dominion war to during and after when every Starfleet ship had heavy modifications. Defiant was once very powerful, but it wasn't for long.
@@Aaroneverydayallthetime Yes and you have drug trafic subs in a battle, right??? And passenger subs are also present in a battle, right??? And in the 21th century there are man powered subs in any country navy, right??? Who has made himself an ass????
Well yeah... That's it's top secret classified ability. It has the mythical and legendary infamous power to CTRL & CTRL V an entire fleet on demand lol.
@@Aaroneverydayallthetime Are there _really_ 19 "types" of submarine? Military submarine (9) would include fast-attack (11), ballistic missile (12), u-boat (10) and midget submarine (13). The u-boat was simply the first type of military submarine, and is no longer in use, while the midget submarine was used for harbor penetration at the same time. So there are only four types of military submarine, of only which two are still in use. Also, human-(1), nuclear- (5), and mechanically-powered (2), are the power sources used by different submarine types, not their own type. Air-independent propulsion (4) is a system used on non-nuclear powered subs. Single- (17) and double-hulled (18) are also construction choices that can be used for different types, not types themselves. The bathysphere (14) and bathyscaphe (15) are both deep diving subs (8). And _all_ of these are submersibles (3). At most, you really have six types of submarines: Tourist (6), Narco (7), deep-diving (8), Military (9), Air-sea rescue (16), and personal (19). And there are only two sub-types that would be in a combat fleet; fast-attack and ballistic missile. Thus supporting @Tiago Patricio's point. Padding your list doesn't disprove that point.
@@seannemo8076Consider, however, that Starfleet's profile isn't just military, but also exploration/spacial cartography, and science. Some ships would specialize in different areas other than combat, but would still be refitted for combat, should the situation demand it, such as the Borg and Dominion invasions. What enemy is the Starfleet from Picard fighting that they needed to build a fleet of the fastest, strongest, and bestest ships ever?
I think 12 ships Responded to Picard's distress call. The rest are Photonic Replica being projected by the 12 ships that actually were there. My Evidence? As the shields were raised 90% of the ships has a blue phase down their hull. New shielding? Maybe, Or maybe that was their Photonic patterns buffering to project the increased power of shields. Each Holographic replica of a star ship has to give off a believable amount of power, and I believe that is what you are seeing, and that is why all the ships looked like the same class of ship.
Exactly!! That was the first thought I had upon seeing this scene. With so many ships of the same class I automatically thought that they must be holograms projected from a dozen or so real ships.
The Star Trek Online model is pretty Nice (but unfortunately hidden in a gamble lockbox) the model used in the tv show was appearently rushed due to lack of time and didn't have all details done (names/registries, escapepods, decals etc.)
@@Methazar aye, I'd have prefered they postponed the Season Final for a week (or 2) to do a proper quality pass, but alas. Not sure why they had to rush, probably money🤷
@@FeeriiEekii Of course, didn't the video state the ship was gonna be in episode 6 or 7? So they got several extra weeks and still couldn't pull it out...? Regardless, that they didn't drop some Akiras, Steamrunners or similar ships into the mix, (sure, let the Zheng He take the lead- BUT), is somewhere between laziness and insulting.
@@Sephiroth144 there's a big difference between doing a low detail CGI background ship which was the original intent but was scrapped early in the process and having a ship front and center. From what I understand they only had a few sketches from Eaves done when it was decided very late in production that they should include a Federation ship in the Final. I would've prefered more variation aswell but they also didn't have other high def ship model assets available to put in. To me this was all bad planning, with some late Ad hoc script changes thrown into the mix and overall a missed opportunity.
From a military point of view it makes sense to have one basic frame that can be fitted out as needed, you know its tough you know its fast you know it works. From an exploration/humanitarian aid point of view variation in use, crew capacity, mission objectives etc may warrant variation in size and design
Honestly, a case can be made for convergent evolution in design methodology. Star Fleet has been experimenting with ship design for a very long time. Eventually, there are fewer experiments to be done and therefore less variation as you stick to what works rather than being fresh and cool for the sake of it. Combining that with decreased production capabilities and suddenly having a standardized model just... makes sense.
The change in deflector reminds me of the Dauntless. Could these be the first REAL Starfleet vessels to have a quantum slipstream drive, or something between that and traditional warp engines?
All designs of ships that add thrill imagination to the story series will always be spectacular. The most important thing is to maintain the essence of adventure, magnificent actors and production and the everlasting moral values that inspire Starfleet generations to explore and reach places where no one has gone before. Thanks.
Potentially the Federation reverse engineered Dominion shipyard technology too. We know the founders can create Jem’Hadar quickly enough but you’d need ships for them to crew. Wouldn’t be surprised if some captured, or abandoned, shipyards were reverse engineered.
The Voyager ship that defeated the Borg with from the future Jane way looked pretty tough. Also that little ship from like the 50th century (also a Voyager episode) was bad ass.
Ahhh yes, the Ctrl C + Ctrl V ship that looks like something from a early 2000s game. Heck, even Star Trek Online has some better looking ships than this.
I love the look of the ship tbh. As for them all looking the same, well it makes a change from the mandatory bexploding Miranda class that seem to fill no other purposes than to pinata their crews into the hard vacuum of space the minute someone shines a torch in their general direction.....
Hated this ship when I first saw it, but the design has grown on me quite abit, the Varian Fry variant is my favourite out of the three main variants. Great video.
the defiant will always be my fav no matter what. yes there are ships with more powerful weapons, but if they upgraded the weapons then the defiant with have the same weapons, with many more advances. i love the design, shape and over all look of it. shields/weapons etc are all done to tech which can be upgraded and replaced.
I like the idea of this ship. After what happened with the shipbuilding capabilities of Starfleet, it makes sense to have a ship that's quick to build and easier to staff.
One major shipyard was destroyed 15 years before the series; Starfleet has (a lot of) other shipyards, they can rebuild rather quickly, and given how many redundancies Starfleet uses, the design schematics for every starship is scattered across half the Federation... (Seriously, how Picard portrays Starfleet incompetence and Utopia Planetia's overblown significance shows the Breen should've hit Mars, not San Francisco- and that the Federation was a single raid away from being destroyed.)
@@Sephiroth144 canonically, the Planitia Fleet Yard was the largest shipyard in federation space, and the ground-based sections were where the Federation housed and developed most of not all of their starship designs, including those of the Galaxy, Sovereign, and Defiant lines. And also canonically, by the 24th century at least the shipyards over Mars were responsible for constructing the vast majority of ships in service by starfleet, including the entirety of the aforementioned Galaxy and Defiant-class vessels. So while there are canonically other shipyards, given everything we are told even as far back as the TNG mentions of the fleet yards, they are a lot smaller and likely do very little full ship construction (most likely relegated to civilian vessels, parts manufacturing, and ship repairs). And yes, relying on a single shipyard right next to your capital world might seem a little…. Strategically unsound. But that’s kind of the point. Starfleet by the mid-24th century was so secure in their power and defenses that they became overconfident. After all, the Klingons and romulans were no longer considered direct threats (as peace negotiations like the Khitomir Accord had allowed peaceful diplomacy between the 3 factions for over half a century), and the remaining threats (such as the cardassians) were woefully underpowered in comparison. It took Borg incursions at the Battles of Wolf 359 and Section 001 and the slaughterhouse of the Dominion War to teach them that they weren’t quite the top dog they thought they were (and then the destruction of Utopia Planitia only a few years after the end of the dominion war sealed the deal).
@@darkflame9410 I still have to disagree, even if canon states, that the majority of Starfleet ship building takes place in a single shipyard (or even are built on/around a single planet). Just logistically, let alone strategically, it makes zero sense. (Granted, a lot of what we're talk Starfleet and/or the Federation does falls into that (especially in the current Trek era)... Seriously the PIS is reaching (Star Wars) Imperial levels)
@@Sephiroth144 Also consider the technology of replication. I assume lots of the ship is made from replicated items. That makes building ships fast. Very fast. And there is no way the Federation as huge as it is would be crippled by the loss of the Mars shipyards. There have to be other shipyards around the Federation.
@@zombieshoot4318 Oh, there are other named (on screen) locations; the San Fran & the Luna shipyards come to mind. Honestly, the quickest way to disprove the "one shipyard" statement is look at the starship dedication plaques: USS Pimp Hand, er, Defiant: Antares Shipyards USS Enterprise-E- San Francisco Shipyards USS Equinox- Poseidon Fleet Yards USS Prometheus- Beta Antares Shipyards USS Sao Paolo- Utopia Planitia Shipyards USS Enterprise-D- Utopia Planitia Shipyards USS Voyager- Earth Station McKinley USS Excelsior- San Francisco Shipyards UP shows up time to time, but its by no means the only place churning out ships.
Wanted to offer a small correction. Refractive hull armor would be capable of disappating the energies of a weapon attack. Ablative hull armor is totally different. The Space Shuttle was equipped with ablative armor. Ceramic tiles made of a foamy hard substance, designed to burn away or dissolve during the heat of re-entry, taking the excess heat and energy with it as it wears away. Voyager's ablative armor was also supposed to break down and be discarded as the vessel fended off the attacks of the Borg. The Federation would love to get it's hands on a nice and cheap alternative that could be efficient and reusable to help negate battle damage... but this is the exact opposite of ablative armor solutions. They are expensive in material cost, hard to recycle, cannot withstand being in constant use due to their fragility, and must be replaced in large sections. Another vehicle that uses something similar to ablative armor would be the choboham armor system on the M1-A1 Abram tank. It is designed to EXPLODE outward upon being impacted by a missile, rocket, grenade or tank projectile hit in order to blast the munitions away before it can penetrate the inner layer of armor, thus protecting the crew. Again, this is an expensive system with a single time use before requiring replacement. If you would like an example of refractive armor... Babylon 5: Crusades. "Excalibur" class destroyer was equipped with earth based technology interfaces, Minbari and Vorlon based internal technologies, and a new external armor based on Vorlon technology that had been built into the living ships they had used which refracted away and dissipated up to 90% of the energies of an energy based attack. It would still have to withstand a physical impact on it's own merits.
I've always thought Star Fleet should be made of one to three main classes with the custom ships being more of testing new tech. It makes no sense to keep making new classes of ship without having a few base line vessels to make a fleet. I'm also sure they have learned from past blunders to maintain two or three large reaction forces to send into a large engagement like Wolf 359 or what happened in Picard.
I thought they did? The Miranda was the workhorse of the federation, the Excelsior was used for bigger things the Miranda couldn't handle, and the Nebula was a cheaper Galaxy.
So... like the mass produced Excelsior, a heavy crusier that lasted in service for about a centuary, the mass produced Miranda (and her many varients) a light crusier that was in service for more than a centuary, and the mass produced Oberth, a science ship that lasted in service for a centuary, despite exploding if someone looked at it the wrong way, with newer classes to replace them the (Akira, Nebula, Defiant and Galaxy all seemed to be in large scale production by the end of the Dominion war) being created to replace them.
They really need to double down on this QRF idea, and show some "normal" operations with the typical array fo ship classes. I do like it, conceptually, but Picard S1 really gave us the impression that this is how Starfleet looks now. If, they add a 'normal' variety of multimission platforms like we're used to seeing, but have Starbases scattered around in critical aras with fleets like this at their disposal for quick response to threats, I can accept it. But the next few seasons of Trek have a lot of work to do to make this stuff seem like it fits in-universe. Maybe this Q storyline can fix the 23rd century episodes of Discovery while they're at it...
I've gotten so used to hearing the rank of Leftenant at the start of Adam's videos now that it was a shock to hear he was only an Ensign when this video was made, but now I want to jump back into Picard and see the ship for myself!
I mean, considering he was talking to someone who knew just about all of Starfleet's secrets, I doubt Riker would have bothered trying to bluff her about the Inquiry-class being all that fast, tough and powerful if it really wasn't. She would have known exactly how strong those things are.
I keep trying to convince myself of that... but if it was really that tough, they wouldn't have needed so many to deal with that old-and-busted Romulan fleet. They almost countered 1:1 in ship counts. If they'd showed up with 20 of these and a dozen Defiant-class and the Romulans turned tail and run off like they did, it would have been far more satisfying.
@@livewire98801 for all we know those ships works as a fast response unit (it comes only in 'one size fits all' missions and such). There is no kill like Overkill...If 'number parity' meant that the romulans would have to lose 4-5 (or more) ships to kill a single Fed Ship, or the Feds Ships were so powerful they'd gang on romulan ships to kill them even faster, thats way better logistics...if the disparity in power was that big... Whelp...the romulans were Tal Shiar (and that automaticaly means they werent old and busted ships because he tal shiar kept the best romulan tech to themselves...)...they dont have all that many ships to use on their secret missions...maybe that was their main fleet (or most of it) and they didnt dare lose it...
The design makes no sense whatsoever. First of all I wouldn't want the exhaust for my impulse engines roasting the back half of my saucer section because they didn't put the engines far enough back. As for the warp engines on struts that sweep forward, this makes no sense; unless the warp cores at the very rear of the engineering section they're sending the work plasma toward the end of the ship and then making more than 90° turn to send that warp plasma to the engines. Lastly, while I haven't had a good look at it I have a feeling that the impulse exhaust also goes at the struts that hold up the warp engines. Bad design all around.
It's just like why you still see Excelsior class and older ships still around in DS9 (and STO) cheaper to modify a ship vs making a new one. It's been said that constitution class ships are pretty modular. The idea of making one frame for multiple uses especially after the loss of utopia planitia makes sense. We also see something very similar to the Odyssey class in Picard season 1 in picards archives.
Food for thought: the century-plus design of the Excelsior and Miranda classes, and the ancient Ambassador, New Orleans, Nebula and other ship classes from the 2340-2380 era can be upgraded so much that technology by leaps and bounds efficiency wise put many classes out of service earlier than expected due to cost effective more powerful ships to be built, even decommissioning the vaunted Galaxy and Sovereign classes decades before they were scheduled to be retired. I look at it that way, and I very much love the Prometheus, Intrepid, Sovereign and Akira classes…even the overlooked Saber and Norway and Steamrunner ships.
I seriously doubt the "story" was created with a copy and paste fleet of hundreds of the same ship but just variations. I think they took short cuts, despite having a big budget guess they spent it somewhere other then giving us fans the battle's and everything we waited decades to see. The borg and federation ship blue ball scenarios were not really forgivable. Seven of nine should of had the cube for at least an episode or two and started creating a fun sub plot where she is now a problem with creating her own borg invasion with picard needing to stop her, and we should of seen an epic space battle with those hundreds of ships sitting across from one another. That was BS and we all are pissed about it. I hope they fix the 10 hour movie formula and give us the short stories per episode that develop characters so we care about them and see see interesting things. The original star trek formula is needed to fix the brand or its dead.
Trek can do serialized (DS9 & Enterprise S3 comes to mind); they just need to do it better, stop trying to go for shock value and forced emotions. (Maybe get some people who've seen the earlier Trek series... and stop writing for social media chatter)
You guys can come up with these fun stories because you are passionate about trek and want to do it good service. Kurtzman and his band of trolls cannot because they are not passionate about trek and only want the good ching ching.
The vast majority of Picard was just Trek of Thrones... 'who we gonna shock everyone by killing this week?' They finally pulled back with some optimism in the end so when the ships turned up I was too busy breathing a sigh of relief to think too much about this class, or that it was a digital copy paste scenario. But I remember being bummed out by it being so generic, especially after the hint in the first episodes of a nod towards the enterprise D, I had hoped for something more in that space, it will always been my favorite ship, as it was the last one that Gene Roddenberry was deeply involved in and it represented one of his rules, every advance should seem more simple and more advanced, apparently he originally just wanted the bridge to be a great big couch LOL. Anyway, everyone seems to love the Sovereign class but it breaks the rules looking more complex on the bridge and ever since this launched, ship design in universe has just been the same thing over and over, no real line changes, no variations like between intrepid, defiant and galaxy. However the explanation given of this being a reactionary defensive/offensive force given the more dystopian future makes sense and I am happy to accept that... however I will never like trek becoming dystopian though, its lazy, and ignores the core of trek, humanity can get better, which was always a sense of hope for me when humanity in the 21st century are clearly a bunch of idiots. :)
yeah we also have a main character who becomes a murderer because she saw weird things in a mind meld. Send Agnes to Jail should be a t-shirt sold on the website.
I feel like the theory that the fleet was crippled by the attack on the Utopia Planitia Shipyards is greatly hampered by the fact that there's no reason to think that existing ship designs would be in any way affected. Starfleet is filled out with ships that have service lives measured in decades. We were still seeing Miranda-Class and Oberth-Class and Excelsior-Class vessels in Picard's and Sisko's time. These things were ancient and they're still doing their job. Add to that the glut of Akira-Class vessels flooding the fleet during the Dominion War, and we have no good reason to think Utopia Planitia crippled the fleet. While it definitely would have crippled production of vessels, it's difficult to believe that existing ships would be in any way affected. And the Inquiry-Class, in terms of size alone, is a front-end vessel, along the lines of the Sovereign or the Galaxy-Class. Highly engineered, highly complicated devices. The idea that this class could be easily mass produced as opposed to smaller vessels like the Defiant-Class, or the Saber-Class or yes, even the poor Nova-Class is...well...I just don't find that logic to be compelling. Additionally, it rather ignores the fact that in a fleet or a task force or a battle group, you need different ships capable of performing different roles. Imagine a WW2 task force where the battleships are supported by picket ships that are also battleships. You need faster, more agile and smaller ships capable of screening the larger, less maneuverable ships. And yes, while it's the future, and it's sci-fi, inertia still drives how quickly an object can be put into motion. No matter how magical your tech is, something the size of a Saber is gonna be more agile than something the size of a Sovereign's bigger brother. I guess you could argue that the Dominion War severely depleted Starfleet's forces, but at the same time, we still saw Admiral Paris mobilizing a sizeable force several years after the end of the war to greet Voyager when it returned home. Including the new Prometheus-Class. It stands to reason that these classes of ships would still be well within their service lifetimes during the events of ST: Picard. Basically, a homogenous fleet, even a task force, serves no logical purpose beyond budget constraints of the show.
I think the likeliest answer about this class is that Riker was trying to intimidate Oh. The class is new, there’s a lot of them, and Oh hears that her opposite is a very angry decorated officer! She decided she’s outmatched. I do like your explanation for why the ships are so similar. That they would have a resources problem after the destruction of Utopia Plantia makes a lot of sense.
Old comment I know, but I never bought the idea that Starfleet became so desperate for resources or ship production after a single shipyard was destroyed. The Federation is ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE! Surely they'll have multiple mega advanced, large scale shipyards all around the place, especially around the core worlds. It's very much all eggs, one basket territory.
You did a great job on this video! I still think this was a “copy and paste fleet” that was VERY badly designed & quickly rendered. For the “flagship” of CBS all access they should have spent more and put more detail into it. I’m sure it was very well designed on paper by Eaves but Kurtzman has proven time and time again he has no real attachment to ships and places no stock in them as primary/secondary characters in the franchise therefore even well designed future ships “I.e. future ships discovery s03” are very poorly executed he only green-lit the Voyager J as a nod to the Enterprise J due to backlash from real fans to Picard s01 and Discovery s01 and the exiting of Pike and the Enterprise crew in season 2 until they strip the entire franchise from him you could take the best-designed ship and give him the best rendering team around and he would ruin it. In case you are wondering YES, I think he’s proven he can do no good when it comes to Star Trek and shouldn’t be producing shows outside of programs like “the price is right and maybe if they get desperate bachelorette or celebrity big brother.
what are its weapon slots fore and aft and also stats of other things like well console slots and such need to know looking for a ship to be the main ship for a planed future stream and not really a fan of most i own and i own all but 20
I thought the point of Inquiry Class was it was modular: basic overall design, but easily customizable to be fantastic at specific things. The AR-15 of starships, if you will. Modules can be swapped to quickly create ships of the line, explorers, humanitarian aid vessels, scientific investigation ships...etc. Whatever is needed. It's resource smart and incredibly quick to build.
...I like the Bridge design on the Space Battleship Yamato from 'Star Blazers'...the Captain's Chair was at the back of the bridge... "The Yamato had three bridges; Bridge 1 contains the helm, radar, communications and command positions (including those for engineering and ship's defences); Bridge 2 was devoted to navigation. Bridge 3 hung below the ship, serving as a backup to Bridge 1 (and a decoy to attract enemy fire), or, in Submarine Mode." "At the top of the command tower were the captain's personal quarters, including a chair mounted on a vertical track giving him the capability of rapidly transiting to his command post in Bridge 1."
Thank you for the great breakdown!! I think Picard was a marvelous show. There were things I would have done differently, but that's always going to be the case. However, that engagement was bizarre to me. They could have had a much smaller formation from each side facing against each other and spent resources on fleshing out a handful of ships to represent the Romulans and the Federation. Conversely, I am certain they could have grabbed existing CGI models to litter the screen with different classes of ships. It is odd to send in a fleet comprised of a single type/class of ship, it is even more odd to see two fleets made up of only one type each. Where are the support craft, the carriers, the more maneuverable ships and other types to cover the many facets of a battle?
@@dasparado Things change. I've been watching Star Trek since Kirk and crew was all there was, since before TNG ever came on the scene. I think the new shows are all right. But if you don't, that's OK, you don't have to watch them. Nobody is forcing you to.
I like it, that line of ships (Inquiry, Arbiter, and Avenger) is one my favorite ships in the game. That scene in Picard is definitely just a lazy copy/paste though.
This explanation for the USS Copy Pasta's apperance actually makes sense. Especially considering that they put an officer from the active reserve in command of that fleet - while surely having seniority, one might think an Admiral or a Captain knowing the capabilities of those ships on active duty would take command. But if all those ships, effectively, were sitting near space stations, planetary bases and shipyards, held operational by a minimal crew, it makes sense to recall reserve officers if the need to deploy those ships in larger numbers arises. Hell, they might even have solely dedicated ship-parks to store those ships, maintained by automatic systems and only administered by limited supervision. We're in the 24th/25th century after all, keeping those ships operational should not be more effort for them as for us to keep a rarely used car operational - it's standing in the garage and every once in a while we check fuel status, tire pressure and other things. Modern systems are even telling us that information quite easily, so why shouldn't it be up to five guys in a control tower to watch over 200 of those starships?
Makes sense. I mean, look at the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, etc. They only ever have a few classes of "hero ships" in service at any given time. What's wrong with Starfleet being cost-effective? While it may not be as aesthetically pleasing, it makes more sense in terms of economics., right? Sometimes, it's good for the story to make real-world sense.
They actually said the reason for this was they ran out of time. The show had to be done by a certain date and there wasn't enough time to render the scenes with different ships.
I believe its a specific federation battlefleet made due to the dominion war and all the other classes we know are just back on their standard role as they now have a specific fleet for defence purposes.
still doesn't make sense. fleets need specialty ships. And if they had the luxury of this fleet just sitting around doing nothing all the time in a parking lot then the Federation is too powerful to have an interesting tv show. they would need these ships off doing things, squadrons here squadrons there actually doing ship stuff, then when the time comes they pull in as many as they can to a gathering point then warp out together, no way in hell they would only be able to gather this one type of ship in an emergency. There would be a mixture of ships all over the place.
I just can't get over the George Foreman Grill Deflector Dish. She's a beautiful little ship otherwise. The fast reaction force idea is a good one, an outgrowth of the Defiant project where Starfleet fields smaller ships with bigger punch evolving to more complete starships, with the same concentration of firepower but faster, with greater range, and more ability.
my head cannon always was that the inquiry type ships hollow-ring model was a joint Klingon-starfleet built variant... we know that post Dominion-war the alliance is really a big thing, and I like to think Klingon shipyards do make federation ships (or rather mixed Klingon-Federation style ships for Starfleet) and Vice-versa
The influence of Romulan Warbirds is evident. Smooth bird like lines, spread nacelles and an emphasis on firepower and toughness are noticeable. Less an explorer, more an enforcer.
Why they couldn't have done a little fan service and given us the Enterprise-E is a mystery. There's no evidence to support that she's still not in service in 2399, as she honestly wouldn't be THAT old. And there's been no in-canon explanation as to whether or not she's been destroyed, which would be the only reason she still doesn't exist. But giving us this would have gone a long way for longtime fans and created a lot of goodwill.
My theory is, and headcanon, that not only was it a tough, crisis-time design which utilized the same hull template to optimize production, but it was also closest. I imagine not all of the ships were in top condition and ready to go, and that they just housed skeleton crews, but enough to operate. It's cool to see a ship that would basically bolster the fleet whilst the rebuilding with old starship parts was underway.
I can accept the personal explanation as a quick reaction force with cheap and fast to build single design ships. But isn't it the same explanation for the VFX studio which allegedly had only little time to implement Eaves' excellent looking concepts and so omitted so much of the finer details? The end result, though understandable, is still an ugly looking ship. I wished those artists were given more time.
Or at least allowed to use a combination of the many legacy designs whose CGI models are readily available to CBS for free(and have all been modernised thanks to Eaglemoss' starships collection magazine), that would have plausibly still been in use at this time, look miles better, and would have provided a much better emotional payoff for long time fans. As it was, it was a massive build up to a huge WTF-flavoured letdown. Newcomers and fans alike watched that scene in the room with me and thought "what ugly ships! How cheap looking! How excessive in number! What an all around shambles!"... Lower Decks executed the exact same concept with just one ship to *glorious* effect.
They’re not even formed up in battle wings - Picard wasn’t a fleet commander, but even his tachion blockade was more organized than all these jagoffs vomiting out of warp
They were saying that when Matt Jeffries designed the Klingon D-7 Battle cruiser, and Wah Chang the Romulan Bird of Prey (as we saw in "Balance of Terror", "The Deadly Years").
What happened to the shipyards does make sense as to the "why" the inquiry class was copied and pasted. But that doesn't answer the "why" Starfleet needed to build a whole fleet from scratch that required them to just mass produce one class. Starfleet hadn't lost all of their ships in the synth rebellion. The graphics team was just being lazy.
Wenn dir deine Größe Fabrik gekillt wird baust Du danach erstmal alles so das es schnell geht. 100 mal das selbe bauen ist halt fliessband und geht schnell. Man erfährt ja auch nicht wieviele vom Entwicklungsstuff gestorben sind.
I'm sorry but from everything I'm seeing its the "toughest, fastest ship" simply because the writers said it was without actually explaining why. The great thing about Star Trek is that it was always rooted in real science and explained why one ship was better than another. Now its being written by fanfics writers who think that "because we said so" is justification for anything.
That accent! It's so very mid-Atlantic. I'm Irish, and the closest I can come to IDing it is as a very cultured or well traveled suburban Irishman. Where are you from Adam?
From my understanding of resources, to build a fleet of that size would strip mine over a 100 planets. If that many copies arrived to fight the Romulans, than thousands of worlds, sectors, and deep space regions are left lightly defended (less that 5% per region). Also, the problem is why and how did the Romulans mass so many ships if they lost the primary resource available - there homeworld? The season ending was exciting to watch, but made little common sense. It's the Star Wars problem.
Well put. It makes total sense to make one type of ship with some variants than wildly different ships especially when they could be outclassed in maneuverability, shields, weapons, speed. Ships lacking in those areas can become more of a liability than an asset and a fleet is only as fast as its slowest ship. Can you imagine being on board one of the medical starships in the Battle of Wolf 359? Various ship types make for great visuals but it isn't practical for your fighters to consist of X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, etc. And if you decide that upgrading ships is a better option that building new ships then you have to be prepared to interrupt any missions or services and leave a significant number of that crew idle when they could be doing important work and be available at distant locations.
In ST: Voyager there was a trick in which that ship produced holographic images of allied ships to fool an enemy. I think that's the Inquiry Class' ace in the hole; the ability to project duplicates of herself. In order to throw off enemies, variations of the ship's appearance could be included.
What an ugly, murky, dirty looking ship… conjures little of the spirit of the Federation and little of why I fell in love with the escapism of Star Trek all those years ago. Alex Kurtman has a lot to answer for.
If they just scaled down the size of the fleets on each side to a dozen or so, they could have used different assets and it still would have had the same effect. Otherwise it's like the Dragon Ball version of Star Trek.
There was an interview with one of the VFX people who worked on the show. They ran out of money so couldn't do the intended fleet. Scaling down the fleet so a couple of ships on either side would have worked very nicely, but "NOT DRAMATIC ENOUGH!"
Before any conclusions we need to see it in action. On ST Prodigy the Protostar seams a bit more powerful. One thing is a 3rd Nacelle comes out of a compartment then the ship goes to Transwarp. The bridge has one center seat. There is glass going 180 degrees around the bridge and all stations is goes the same way as the glass. One thing very interesting is that when they go to transwarp the third nacelle comes out and the other two looks like they “tuck in” to the secondary hull. All shuttles and cargo goes into the front of the ship.
On the one hand, yes, it was pretty obviously short notice and a bit of a rush to make the whole fleet one class with minor tweaks, mostly two different nacelle details; but, the in-canon explanation backs this up very well. Starfleet is having to ramp up production on brand new ships to replace all that was lost, after the Borg, the Dominion War, and then the Synth destruction of Utopia Planetia. So, it figures that they'd focus on cranking out Model 3s and Model Ys to meet overwhelming demand, while putting the Semi, Roadster, and Cybertruck on hold.
We are Starved for some real Star Trek!!! Some classic Berman age ships... I really don't understand why all the new ships fail soo hard to capture the love we have for Defiant, Voyager, Enterprise D and E ? Maybe because they are all CGI and deep down we can feel the difference between CGI and real ships? I think it's really because the aestetics inside the ships don't match the outside. Ever since Enterprise there has been a wierd mismatch I think. I just can't put my finger on it... I think it is the mismatch between inside and out. When you were in 10-4 or bridge or anywhere on Enterprise E. You can feel where that room was on the ship. I think somehow that's been lost. The newer ships just don't feel real for some reason. This includes the Kelvin movie ships and discovery.
I was so disappointed. The cgi model is just incredibly cheap. There is almost no surface details, it is all just a skin. And also odd that the fleet has zero of the latest ship classes that are bound to be around.
I've not seen the new Star Trek but always felt the USS Defiant was the pinnacle of what a proper purpose built warship should be. For war and expected losses it would make sense to have more numerous smaller sized vessels which are quicker to build, cheaper, take less resources and need smaller crews compared to far bigger starships that are the complete opposite of all that and tend to make easier targets that get focused compared to lots of smaller agile warships. The Defiant may have been a small ship which is more beneficial for reasons stated, but it was insanely powerful, bordering on being unstable such was the available power in it's prototype trials, and was tougher far beyond ships of much larger size. It was a casing of packing as much power, firepower, weapon types and armor into one small devastating warship. I can still remember it back in the DS9 days fizzing away through fleets of Klingon and Dominion warships with its quantum torpedoes wrecking everything lol. Over-powered ship!
It makes sense that they would make similar ships, especially during times of war. Equipment commonality is very important for resupply and fleet maintenance.
The sacarafice of angels fleet is how ships should be done look at the mixture of starfleet dominion cardassian and Klingon ships in that battle. What 30 years plus ago or 20??? Anyway it was done with care this was a cut and paste ship, thrown together and it feels as such just saying
It makes sense that the destruction of ONE shipyard curtailed the federations ability to build ships? Really? In first contact Picard himself said the federation was made of of over 250 world or species. So how does it make any sense that blowing up a shipyard, all be it a large one, on MARS would hamper Starfleet its ability to build new ships? You do understand there’s still the San Francisco ship yards orbiting earth and there dozens upon dozens more scattered across the federation’s member worlds. Not every ship was built on Mars. To me, when I see a RUclips video essentially trying to make sense or justifying lazy and quite frankly hack writers like those writing for the Kurtzman verse just annoys me to no end. Most of, if not all, “problems” brought forward in the 1st season of Picard would be easily fixed if only these “writers” would have actually read ANYTHING about the Star Trek universe.
Perhaps, but how often did you see member races ships in the show? _Extremely_ rarely. There was a few rare moments of Vulcan ships during TNG, but it was almost always an amalgamation. You may be right about there being multiple shipyards, but you also have to consider that this particular shipyard was their biggest one where almost every ship goes to for major overhaul. Not saying you're wrong, though...
I would imagine that the inquiry class is equipped with transphasic Warheads a full complement also is equipped with ablative Hull armor adaptive regenerative shielding and holographic crew replacement
It was a lazy copy and paste job.Shame on you and some other channels for trying to excuse a blatant attempt at cost-saving. Compare this to some of the DS9 fleets we saw, during the Dominion War ,such as "Sacrifice of Angels" You could tell that they cared.
I LOVE the sentence riker dropped when he said: this is the most powerful ship we ever put into service and I can’t wait to see it kicking your Tal‘Shiar Ass. 😅
Regardless of how tough it is, the fact they didn't use any other digital assets like the sovereign, Akira or other ships (even from STO )and just copied and pasted the ships was a cheap and kinda tacky move imo
It can be explained away with something like that fleet was specially designed for combat and they need the best ships etc.
But yeah they're just lazy
DS9 pulled out all this stops and the threw in the kitchen sink, washer, dryer and fridge when it came to showing nearly every main line class star fleet had!
Those ships would all be pretty outdated by this point, though. And STO happens later, so most of the ship designs in it don't exist yet.
It makes sense from a naval sense. Much cheaper to design one ship with 2 variants then 10's of ships. The inquiry might be like our Arleigh Burke. A relatively cheap, versatile and powerful ship that can be easily mass produced and deployed. Maybe it's the new age excelsior.
But where did the Romulians get the ships, the shadowy Tal Shiar must have been pretty low on resources after losing Romulus. Not forgetting they lost many of their ships when they tried to destroy the Dominion home world. How did they throw together such a massive fleet so quickly.
The Sovereign is still my all time favorite design. From the looks to the name of the ship class itself to how badass it is, it was a total package. This one is ... okay.
This new one doesn't even compare to it...
Getting the Sovereign in ST: Bridge Commander felt so awesome. Good game. Fun multiplayer.
Enterprise - D will always be my favorite Enterprise.
Maybe we will see an Enterprise - Q continuum ! 😁
I just like the E and the Kelvin ship
Stylistically the Constitution refit is the last word on the subject.
I personally go with the 'fast response' idea. What with the potential for a Borg attack or any other threat, and after earth being threatened multiple times over the decades, it wouldn't surprise me if the Federation went in for the expense of having a fleet of fast heavy cruisers located in Federation space, ready to respond.
The 'Inquiry' somewhat ironically not exploring, but it IS a more sinister name than 'Curiosity', this is a ship class that is being used to quickly counter dangers. If these ships can all move at high warp, keep up with each other so as they arrive together and attack on mass, launch drones and fighters to confuse and overwhelm enemies like the Borg, and were constructed quickly in an assembly line process, it might make sense that Star Fleet has a defense fleet made just of these ships. And they might well have had a second wave of older and more varied ship classes on route?
It IS unfortunate that other ship classes weren't shown as being present.
I call it for what it is the clone class. Seen one you seen them all. This is why i don't watch star trek Picard and China since they own Hollywood puts shows on a thin budget and you get limited amount of ship classes . That is why those ships and general Oh have Chinese names.
@@neganrex5693 I was being kind to the show as far as the reasoning. You're right, of course. The ships were digital clones that were copied and pasted with only one half-hearted variant. For whatever reason, laziness or legal, it is a shame that some representative earlier Starfleet ships didn't show up.
@@larqven0192 It would be nice if they put in a galaxy or two in their or any thing else. I'm beginning to think it is Star Fleets main battle fleet that fights wars so the other ships in star fleet can keep boldly trespassing where they never trespassed before and discover and make new enemies to fight down the road. Nobody seems to bring trouble to their own door step like Star Fleet. They are the other brand of Borg. LOL.
My headcanon is the Inquiry class's name is the 24th century's version of F around to find out.
Star Trek writers have always been trying to go for smaller slicker ships that take less crew to manage. But it reminds me of what the U.S. Military is doing today. We are pushing to make one type of jet that is all stealth, vertical land and take off , etc. Our battleships during the Obama era, we have built smaller battle cruisers with stealth tech and nuclear power. Star Trek is pretty much doing the same thing that the U.S. military is doing. Making ships that can be managed by less crew , slicker and faster and just as powerful as a typical destroyer ship. I have no problem with that. Plus I doubt any of those ships housed civilians which is another thing to take into account.
Ironically even by the name of the flag ship, that's exactly how I felt about the Inquiry-Class Squadron... they are basically a swarm of ships controlled by the flagship. So they are:
A) Easy to mass-produce
B) Each ship in battle formation needs a minimal crew. or None.
C) Kinda the same, so the response speed, command, and maintenance became quicker.
Toughest, Fastest, most powerful... but also not the Biggest, nor comfortable, or Flexible... they have one job, get there, do the job with numbers, get out, quick response fleet.
Probably something the federation realized was missing, since the need to assemble a fleet to evacuate the Romulans... and quick response to "defend" mars.
So, essentially the philosophy the us took in WW2 when they were able to mass produce cos they were easy to build. THey weren't made to be super impressive flagships like the old galaxy or sov's used to be. These look like they're meant to be workhorses... Honestly, getting a better look here, they look a lot like an NX design I've been working on for the last month as a test bed in 2380. Lots of similar design language here that I seem to have inadvertently keyed into. THough I go off in a different direction in places.
@@WinterRoseASFR1 I would say the most equivalent Inquiry-Class would be the WW2 T-34 Soviet tanks.
They were ugly, they were simple, they were the bare minimum to work... But they were many, and they were cheap, and Tough... Who need a treadmill that need a pin with German levels of precision and doble lock nuts, to not fall down... When you can do Soviet... And design your tank in a way to the body hammer the f*cking pin back in place as you drive !
That would be some irony as I thought the Mars defense fleet was what was hijacked by the Zhat Vash to actually destroy Mars.
@@dextrian More like the Sherman, the T-34 was poorly made and unnecessarily uncomfortable. The Sherman while simple was well made and easy to use.
@@questionmaker5666 T-34 had extremely varying quality of build, since they were built pretty much everywhere you could work with steel. So you could have T-34-85 with almost same level of building quality as american tank right next to something that looked like it was bolted together in a barn by group of children (and probably at least partially was). But you are right, T-34 was example of quantity over quality. As long as they worked, make as much of them as possible and drown your enemy in the flood. And counting all the variants i believe its still second most produced tank in history.
I liked a lot of things about Picard, but this felt cheap in a place that didn't need to be cheap. The Inquiry class looks terrific as far as it goes, but that effect is moderated by the fact that they were all the same. They've got models for other ships.
It was the same with the Romulan fleet. And *that* would definitely have felt more authentic with older ships, since Romulus had been destroyed and developing and producing new, advanced fleets was probably not feasible -- particularly in secret.
I would assume that the future warfare came to a similar conclusion as our warfare did after ww2 and in the following time - the ideal of different classes of tanks was abandoned, only main battle tanks stayed, which are mostly agile, but also protected and with firepower.
I always assumed this was the reason fo rall the ships being one class, only with speciialized weaponry within the class.
Also the argument in the video fits aswell.
@@Mut4ntG4m3r And we can't forget that all the different classes we saw are not all built all at once，it was a combination of 100 years of ship development. In dominion war you would see excelsior class，miranda class that would at least be 75 years old by that point being pulling out to battles. In beta canon there were also Constitution class that were well over 100 years old by the time of dominion war. The diversity of classes in-universe was just starfleet reusing old ships from storage. I mean if starfleet have 1000 sovereign class ships they would not need to or want to drag old ass constitution class out of their slumber just to boost numbers right
I agree, the copy paste fleet felt cheap. Literally all that they had to do was to take existing CGI model assets such as their Galaxy, Sovereign, Nebula, Akira etc, then upscale them into HD and add them on screen along with the inquiry. Maybe add in one Oberth as an in-joke. Similar, the D'deridex and Valdore classes could have been added to the Romulan fleet alongside this new design.
I think it was a big missed opportunity. It would have been tremendously satisfying and would have made us starship enthusiasts very happy.
I loved the first season of Picard so much, but yeah you are absolutely right that this felt like a very weird cost-cutting move. If the Romulan fleet had a bunch of Mogai and D’Deridex warbirds with them, and if the Starfleet fleet had just some Akiras and Steamrunners and Sovereigns or Defiants mixed in, it would’ve felt much better. It doesn’t serve the story very well as it stands.
It can’t possibly be that hard to just port over some CGI from the films and slap some modern digital lighting into them. Or just pay some Trekkie who makes CGI models of old ships in their free time to send over some files.
@@andrewm3210 the oberth is and will never be a joke! it is divine and guides us through the darkness.
The Inquiry class looks like the Akira and Sovereign classes found a dark secluded section of Spacedock and got busy!
They look like the love child of Voyager and a BSG ship.
This comment 😂
I would have said voyager and defiant, but that works too
Maybe, but I've seen several fan-made Akira/Sovereign hybrids, and they were more impressive than this.
I feel that if they really wanted a quick reaction force that would be fast to build, they should have designed a new generation of Defiant class to supplement the inquiry class.
Thats pretty much what they did with the inquiry class. My theory is they took the defiant and the Voyager and blended them. I cannot see inquiry class as anything but the offspring of starfleets two toughest and most versatile ships.
@@lukepaugh162 Fine points!...but the advantage of the Defiant class besides being pound-for-pound tough is the fact that it's small and probably fast to produce. It just makes sense. Plus, I'm sure a good amount of Trek fans would cream their pants at an updated Defiant class ^_^
@@dtester I would argue the Saber Class is even cheaper and quicker to build.
@@Gothic7876 Is that true, though? Technically there isn't much canon knowledge of the Saber class.
The problem with the Defiant is it's lower endurance for long missions. With the Federation getting bigger by the day with bigger enemies, that can be a donwside. But, you can balance that having smaller fleets on outposts and/or having a mobile station like class to support them in longer missions
I really liked your theory that the Inquiry class was mass produced to save resources after Utopia Planetia was destroyed, and how they are part of a quick response task force. Helps soften the disappointment of seeing a low effort copy paste fleet on screen.
Also, great choice of opening music for the video!
In the same way I reserved final judgement on the Intrepid class until Voy's run concluded (fantastic class, worthy of veneration), I'll hold my opinion until I see this class do other than exist.
I have a head-canon/theory that these ships are printed "dry" in a giant orbital industrial replicator then loaded with stores, like anti-matter, torpedoes, dilithium, bio-neural computer parts, anything that can't be directly replicated, then sent out with a skeleton crew supported by advanced automated systems.
Ah yeahs Mass Production
Sounds almost like the BBB production line of Andromeda class ships from the rebooted Space Battleship Yamato, the ships leave production with minimal crew or no crew at all and are "crew optional". Andromeda herself was converted to ZZZ variant with a single crew person to allow insane maneuvers without risking any crew. The pilot even has to wear a space suit because the ship is completely without life support except single suit support. Pilot can plus his suit into captains chair for extended ops, but never can take off his/her helmet.
A potential reason for this class of starship being so tough is that when the shipyards got destroyed they were in process of building a fleet of large ships ment to relocate the people of Romulus. These ship would have needed huge ships, warp cores, sensors, and defense wepons systems. Many of these components would have been manufactured at other sites then moved to utopia planita for final assembly, leaving a huge amount of components undamaged. Star fleet probably quickly developed this class using the leftover components attached to a common space frame giving the 3 variants. They will be overpowered because warp cores and nacelles were designed for ships of a larger size, sheild systems and deflectoers for ships that were going to be routinely near a star going supernova. Basicly like building a pickup truck using the components for a simi truck. It will take a beating and give one out.
The thing is... the Inquiry class is huge. They're the same size as a Sovereign.
@@Narium413 , not quite: 630 metres, vs. 685 m for the Sovereign class. As comparisons, the Galaxy class are 641 m.; the original Constitution class are 289 m.
@@DavidRLentz and galaxy was chubby. Nearly twich as wide and huge space.
Galaxy was irritatingly victimized. She had phaser strips which could focus 6-8 seperate beams at any one time. 6-8 torpedo tubes. And the most advanced shields. It was designed to accomodate up to 10,000 if internals were configured.
I wanna see the USS Galaxy refit. With new and improved ass kicking.
@@DavidRLentz yeah, but how much of that last 55m is sovereign's comically oversized nacelles?
I'd love to see a for scale overlay of them lines up saucer to saucer, so you could actually see which ships were bigger, rather than which ones has REALLY back mounted super long nacelles.
@@iami3rian394 0.0003937 millimetres.
Imagine copy pasting a single ship and coming up with a complex reason why it's the only ship present instead of just adding a few different ship classes
Also, you spend like maybe 3 hours in Blender to do this ship model, because it looks so blury and low resolution and with no details at all... Its like they did this last minute.
It was some sort of another disappointment throughout the season.
Imagine being the federation, a coalition of multiple species, and covering lightyears of space and having the destruction of just one shipyard, impacting just one species cripple your entire fleet capability.l
@@Desertskunk it was always in canon that the Utopia Planitia shipyards were the most important construction platform in Starfleet. This isn't a new concept.
@@2ManyGoats oh i know, i didnt say it wasnt canon, just pointing out how stupid it is for a multiplanet civilization to lean that hard on a single ship building facility.
🤔 I find myself hoping Riker gets a Titan series. It would be interesting...
That second episode of season 2 of Lower Decks had me yearning for a Titan series too. Even if it had to take the form of an animated Lower Decks spinoff, I'd love it.
The problem with this is that Frakes is older than he would have to be when he would be when in command of Titan. So either a younger actor would be needed or deaging tech would have to be used.
Deaging tech worked with Data (I certainly wasn't able to tell TNG Data from Picard Data apart), but Data was MEANT to be artificial looking since he's an android. It would be much harder to do with a human character, all CGI imperfections would show.
I don't think so. The titan is only chasing pakleds for years
@@maanvis81 It may be some of their missions but certainly not all. And even chasing pakleds may make for an interesting story.
@Diamond Greyfell that is what an addiction does with you. In this case a star trek addiction. You need more and more :)
Loved that the newest fleet seen in Picard still used this ship, just as one part of a larger more diverse Starfleet task force
In my humble opinion, it needs to be that lighter shade of grey blue, have Aztec plating, and of course the Star Fleet livery. Also they were able to build brand new, and also finish incomplete Galaxy Class ships for the Dominon War, as well as pump out Akiras and Steamrunners.
This is something that relates to most science fiction: no sense of scale.
They have the resources of a good chunk of the galaxy, and they have only a handful of ships. To put it into perspective, there's more than enough resources in our own system to create millions upon millions of O'Neill Cylinders, which are orders of magnitude larger than the largest ships. If there were shipyards around every star which the Federation had a presence, churning out even just a dozen a year, that would still equal *thousands* of ships. There'd be dozens upon dozens of each class.
The amount shown for Riker's fleet should be *typical* for each class.
I think that the limiting factor here isn't the physical resources to build them, but the Manpower to operate them.
Crews must be trained and even if Starfleet's Academy is stuffed to the brim, it only can churn out so much personal a year. Even if you lower the standards for entry.
Because, if we are honest, with enough energy and a big enough Replicator, you can get any size of Fleet given enough time.
Manning it is a completely different thing.
The greatest resource is labor. The greatest limit to harvesting a dead planet is labor. The greatest limit to your ships is the labor to run them.
That was one of the main advantages enemies like the Dominion had. The Dominion had the ability to just pump out new Jem Hadar to crew their ships. Starfleet, Klingons etc. had to spend years training their crews......
@@Luziferne The true problem is just a bad organizational structure not a lack of manpower, the Federation has close to a Trillion citizens in it and if you just had 1% of that dedicated to the fleet you would have roughly 10 Billion people using super future tech that increases each persons productivity far beyond anything we have today, the real question is why do you only have one star fleet academy? why not 10 or 100? Hell each main member world should have at least one.
@@Luziferne Keep in mind they have to actually mine to be able to produce energy, so that's a primary limiting factor too. Starfleet is always looking for more resources to make more warp cores, and replicators have an energy cost too. Since it can't replicate everything, they do have to get some number of resources the old fashioned way. So starfleet can't simply produce to its hearts content. The federation is also made up of a lot of different cultures, and multiple species pitch in to build these ships. We think of federation ships as earth ships, but they're technically not just earth ships, they're representative of many species pitching in with resources and technology. That can be a bit of a quagmire when it comes to overall resource management across the entire federation, especially considering different species can have completely different economies, cultures, resources, etc. Some may not be soo willing to part with certain resources for the greater good of the federation.
I always thought that the "DEFIANT CLASS", should have been mass produced, once the bugs were mostly worked out...and especially when the immunity to BREEN Systems Disruptor weapons was included in the design.
Probably ended up too underpowered for long term engagement. Good enough to hold off the enemy until the fleet arrive but not good enough to be the actual fleet. I think the Inquiry class would have a crew the same size of a defiant class... is this is a very automated ship.
@@nickl5658 Well the thing is, the INQUIRY CLASS, can be easily described as particularly powerful, but..Riker, only says...that it's the most powerful, yet, we never see anything to prove it. So we don't actually know, it's actually tougher, and/or more powerful than the DEFIANT CLASS. Something that this well made show, points out for itself..directly.
Thank you no less, for your interest, and contact.
It was never mass produced because it was so powerful it tore itself apart when using it at its full capability. It took O'Brian and his team of engineers half the time they commanded the ship to get the warp core to work in an efficient manner (according to starfleet guidelines)
The defiant was a basic ship. Yes, it may have been powerful but you wouldn’t want to spend too long on it. Plus it was small. About the same size as a jemhadar fighter. So for engagements against bigger ships, you would need a few of them.
@@scottbraun2457 The Lakota was more powerful than the Defiant. I think it is important to distinguish Defiant pre-Dominion war to during and after when every Starfleet ship had heavy modifications. Defiant was once very powerful, but it wasn't for long.
Ah the copy paste fleet
Yes and in a fleet of submarines you have 20 types of ships, right?????
@@Aaroneverydayallthetime Yes and you have drug trafic subs in a battle, right??? And passenger subs are also present in a battle, right??? And in the 21th century there are man powered subs in any country navy, right??? Who has made himself an ass????
Well yeah... That's it's top secret classified ability. It has the mythical and legendary infamous power to CTRL & CTRL V an entire fleet on demand lol.
@@Aaroneverydayallthetime Are there _really_ 19 "types" of submarine? Military submarine (9) would include fast-attack (11), ballistic missile (12), u-boat (10) and midget submarine (13). The u-boat was simply the first type of military submarine, and is no longer in use, while the midget submarine was used for harbor penetration at the same time. So there are only four types of military submarine, of only which two are still in use. Also, human-(1), nuclear- (5), and mechanically-powered (2), are the power sources used by different submarine types, not their own type. Air-independent propulsion (4) is a system used on non-nuclear powered subs. Single- (17) and double-hulled (18) are also construction choices that can be used for different types, not types themselves. The bathysphere (14) and bathyscaphe (15) are both deep diving subs (8). And _all_ of these are submersibles (3).
At most, you really have six types of submarines: Tourist (6), Narco (7), deep-diving (8), Military (9), Air-sea rescue (16), and personal (19). And there are only two sub-types that would be in a combat fleet; fast-attack and ballistic missile. Thus supporting @Tiago Patricio's point. Padding your list doesn't disprove that point.
@@seannemo8076Consider, however, that Starfleet's profile isn't just military, but also exploration/spacial cartography, and science. Some ships would specialize in different areas other than combat, but would still be refitted for combat, should the situation demand it, such as the Borg and Dominion invasions.
What enemy is the Starfleet from Picard fighting that they needed to build a fleet of the fastest, strongest, and bestest ships ever?
I think 12 ships Responded to Picard's distress call. The rest are Photonic Replica being projected by the 12 ships that actually were there. My Evidence? As the shields were raised 90% of the ships has a blue phase down their hull. New shielding? Maybe, Or maybe that was their Photonic patterns buffering to project the increased power of shields. Each Holographic replica of a star ship has to give off a believable amount of power, and I believe that is what you are seeing, and that is why all the ships looked like the same class of ship.
Exactly!! That was the first thought I had upon seeing this scene. With so many ships of the same class I automatically thought that they must be holograms projected from a dozen or so real ships.
Good idea. Maybe not true. Still. Damn good idea.
This is the best in universe explanation I've heard. Even though in the real world it was done for budgetary and time constraint reasons.
The Star Trek Online model is pretty Nice (but unfortunately hidden in a gamble lockbox) the model used in the tv show was appearently rushed due to lack of time and didn't have all details done (names/registries, escapepods, decals etc.)
That doesn't exactly speak highly of the quality of work being put in behind the scenes.
Kitbashes from Wolf 359 have more effort put into them
@@Methazar aye, I'd have prefered they postponed the Season Final for a week (or 2) to do a proper quality pass, but alas. Not sure why they had to rush, probably money🤷
@@FeeriiEekii Of course, didn't the video state the ship was gonna be in episode 6 or 7? So they got several extra weeks and still couldn't pull it out...?
Regardless, that they didn't drop some Akiras, Steamrunners or similar ships into the mix, (sure, let the Zheng He take the lead- BUT), is somewhere between laziness and insulting.
@@Sephiroth144 there's a big difference between doing a low detail CGI background ship which was the original intent but was scrapped early in the process and having a ship front and center. From what I understand they only had a few sketches from Eaves done when it was decided very late in production that they should include a Federation ship in the Final.
I would've prefered more variation aswell but they also didn't have other high def ship model assets available to put in.
To me this was all bad planning, with some late Ad hoc script changes thrown into the mix and overall a missed opportunity.
Ah yes. The USS Copy-Paste......
The U.S.S. Biden !
The ship looks like a woman lying on her back. 🙄
@@carminemurphy4836 I found the guy who makes everything political! Didn't take long. He must REALLY be butthurt
In addition to being the fastest and toughest, it's apparently also the easiest to build.
Not nearly as omnipotent as the USS Ret-Con
From a military point of view it makes sense to have one basic frame that can be fitted out as needed, you know its tough you know its fast you know it works. From an exploration/humanitarian aid point of view variation in use, crew capacity, mission objectives etc may warrant variation in size and design
Honestly, a case can be made for convergent evolution in design methodology. Star Fleet has been experimenting with ship design for a very long time. Eventually, there are fewer experiments to be done and therefore less variation as you stick to what works rather than being fresh and cool for the sake of it. Combining that with decreased production capabilities and suddenly having a standardized model just... makes sense.
The change in deflector reminds me of the Dauntless. Could these be the first REAL Starfleet vessels to have a quantum slipstream drive, or something between that and traditional warp engines?
Oh, the most bad-ass Starfleet warship is called the Inquiry class? Yeah, I like to be armed to freakin' teeth when making inquiries.
Haha thats what I thought. stupid name. especially since Starfleet seems to have abandoned inquiry and exploration for fear and paranoia UGH.
You would if you are making inquiries as an Inquisitor.
Could also be an homage to the TOS series where every starfleet ship on screen were constitution classes
All designs of ships that add thrill imagination to the story series will always be spectacular. The most important thing is to maintain the essence of adventure, magnificent actors and production and the everlasting moral values that inspire Starfleet generations to explore and reach places where no one has gone before. Thanks.
Potentially the Federation reverse engineered Dominion shipyard technology too. We know the founders can create Jem’Hadar quickly enough but you’d need ships for them to crew.
Wouldn’t be surprised if some captured, or abandoned, shipyards were reverse engineered.
The defiant, Prometheus class are my favorite class imagine if Kirk, Picard, Jane way and sisco got together and designed a ship
Great Video and this has been the best oratory to listen to - variation of tone, cadence, volume and inflection - all fantastic, thank you =)
The Voyager ship that defeated the Borg with from the future Jane way looked pretty tough. Also that little ship from like the 50th century (also a Voyager episode) was bad ass.
... You mean the Intrepid class and the time ship from the 29th century?
Love the new Narrator! Great job!
This is just like Discovery... CGI does not make a show good, it makes it sparkly.
Ahhh yes, the Ctrl C + Ctrl V ship that looks like something from a early 2000s game. Heck, even Star Trek Online has some better looking ships than this.
I love the look of the ship tbh.
As for them all looking the same, well it makes a change from the mandatory bexploding Miranda class that seem to fill no other purposes than to pinata their crews into the hard vacuum of space the minute someone shines a torch in their general direction.....
Funny you mention that, given the design was inspired BY the Avenger-class from STO, and is even explained ingame as being a precursor to it.
@@CS-zn6pp hahaha that is a good one. Miranda's were the Canon fodder of the fleet.
Even though I like this ship, I can't argue with you.
@@Stronghand-yw1lk it is at least explained in the video as to why it's that way though. QRF and all that.
Hated this ship when I first saw it, but the design has grown on me quite abit, the Varian Fry variant is my favourite out of the three main variants. Great video.
the defiant will always be my fav no matter what. yes there are ships with more powerful weapons, but if they upgraded the weapons then the defiant with have the same weapons, with many more advances. i love the design, shape and over all look of it. shields/weapons etc are all done to tech which can be upgraded and replaced.
I like the idea of this ship. After what happened with the shipbuilding capabilities of Starfleet, it makes sense to have a ship that's quick to build and easier to staff.
One major shipyard was destroyed 15 years before the series; Starfleet has (a lot of) other shipyards, they can rebuild rather quickly, and given how many redundancies Starfleet uses, the design schematics for every starship is scattered across half the Federation...
(Seriously, how Picard portrays Starfleet incompetence and Utopia Planetia's overblown significance shows the Breen should've hit Mars, not San Francisco- and that the Federation was a single raid away from being destroyed.)
@@Sephiroth144 canonically, the Planitia Fleet Yard was the largest shipyard in federation space, and the ground-based sections were where the Federation housed and developed most of not all of their starship designs, including those of the Galaxy, Sovereign, and Defiant lines. And also canonically, by the 24th century at least the shipyards over Mars were responsible for constructing the vast majority of ships in service by starfleet, including the entirety of the aforementioned Galaxy and Defiant-class vessels.
So while there are canonically other shipyards, given everything we are told even as far back as the TNG mentions of the fleet yards, they are a lot smaller and likely do very little full ship construction (most likely relegated to civilian vessels, parts manufacturing, and ship repairs).
And yes, relying on a single shipyard right next to your capital world might seem a little…. Strategically unsound. But that’s kind of the point. Starfleet by the mid-24th century was so secure in their power and defenses that they became overconfident. After all, the Klingons and romulans were no longer considered direct threats (as peace negotiations like the Khitomir Accord had allowed peaceful diplomacy between the 3 factions for over half a century), and the remaining threats (such as the cardassians) were woefully underpowered in comparison. It took Borg incursions at the Battles of Wolf 359 and Section 001 and the slaughterhouse of the Dominion War to teach them that they weren’t quite the top dog they thought they were (and then the destruction of Utopia Planitia only a few years after the end of the dominion war sealed the deal).
@@darkflame9410 I still have to disagree, even if canon states, that the majority of Starfleet ship building takes place in a single shipyard (or even are built on/around a single planet). Just logistically, let alone strategically, it makes zero sense.
(Granted, a lot of what we're talk Starfleet and/or the Federation does falls into that (especially in the current Trek era)... Seriously the PIS is reaching (Star Wars) Imperial levels)
@@Sephiroth144 Also consider the technology of replication. I assume lots of the ship is made from replicated items. That makes building ships fast. Very fast. And there is no way the Federation as huge as it is would be crippled by the loss of the Mars shipyards. There have to be other shipyards around the Federation.
@@zombieshoot4318 Oh, there are other named (on screen) locations; the San Fran & the Luna shipyards come to mind.
Honestly, the quickest way to disprove the "one shipyard" statement is look at the starship dedication plaques:
USS Pimp Hand, er, Defiant: Antares Shipyards
USS Enterprise-E- San Francisco Shipyards
USS Equinox- Poseidon Fleet Yards
USS Prometheus- Beta Antares Shipyards
USS Sao Paolo- Utopia Planitia Shipyards
USS Enterprise-D- Utopia Planitia Shipyards
USS Voyager- Earth Station McKinley
USS Excelsior- San Francisco Shipyards
UP shows up time to time, but its by no means the only place churning out ships.
Wanted to offer a small correction. Refractive hull armor would be capable of disappating the energies of a weapon attack.
Ablative hull armor is totally different. The Space Shuttle was equipped with ablative armor. Ceramic tiles made of a foamy hard substance, designed to burn away or dissolve during the heat of re-entry, taking the excess heat and energy with it as it wears away.
Voyager's ablative armor was also supposed to break down and be discarded as the vessel fended off the attacks of the Borg.
The Federation would love to get it's hands on a nice and cheap alternative that could be efficient and reusable to help negate battle damage... but this is the exact opposite of ablative armor solutions. They are expensive in material cost, hard to recycle, cannot withstand being in constant use due to their fragility, and must be replaced in large sections.
Another vehicle that uses something similar to ablative armor would be the choboham armor system on the M1-A1 Abram tank. It is designed to EXPLODE outward upon being impacted by a missile, rocket, grenade or tank projectile hit in order to blast the munitions away before it can penetrate the inner layer of armor, thus protecting the crew. Again, this is an expensive system with a single time use before requiring replacement.
If you would like an example of refractive armor... Babylon 5: Crusades. "Excalibur" class destroyer was equipped with earth based technology interfaces, Minbari and Vorlon based internal technologies, and a new external armor based on Vorlon technology that had been built into the living ships they had used which refracted away and dissipated up to 90% of the energies of an energy based attack. It would still have to withstand a physical impact on it's own merits.
I've always thought Star Fleet should be made of one to three main classes with the custom ships being more of testing new tech. It makes no sense to keep making new classes of ship without having a few base line vessels to make a fleet. I'm also sure they have learned from past blunders to maintain two or three large reaction forces to send into a large engagement like Wolf 359 or what happened in Picard.
since when did ship design in the Federation ever make any sense? It is a big beauracracy
I thought they did? The Miranda was the workhorse of the federation, the Excelsior was used for bigger things the Miranda couldn't handle, and the Nebula was a cheaper Galaxy.
So... like the mass produced Excelsior, a heavy crusier that lasted in service for about a centuary, the mass produced Miranda (and her many varients) a light crusier that was in service for more than a centuary, and the mass produced Oberth, a science ship that lasted in service for a centuary, despite exploding if someone looked at it the wrong way, with newer classes to replace them the (Akira, Nebula, Defiant and Galaxy all seemed to be in large scale production by the end of the Dominion war) being created to replace them.
They really need to double down on this QRF idea, and show some "normal" operations with the typical array fo ship classes.
I do like it, conceptually, but Picard S1 really gave us the impression that this is how Starfleet looks now. If, they add a 'normal' variety of multimission platforms like we're used to seeing, but have Starbases scattered around in critical aras with fleets like this at their disposal for quick response to threats, I can accept it. But the next few seasons of Trek have a lot of work to do to make this stuff seem like it fits in-universe.
Maybe this Q storyline can fix the 23rd century episodes of Discovery while they're at it...
They need to make a show useing this class ship.
I have always loved the ships of Star Trek, now we need to see the inquiry class in action to know where she stands! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I've gotten so used to hearing the rank of Leftenant at the start of Adam's videos now that it was a shock to hear he was only an Ensign when this video was made, but now I want to jump back into Picard and see the ship for myself!
I mean, considering he was talking to someone who knew just about all of Starfleet's secrets, I doubt Riker would have bothered trying to bluff her about the Inquiry-class being all that fast, tough and powerful if it really wasn't. She would have known exactly how strong those things are.
I keep trying to convince myself of that... but if it was really that tough, they wouldn't have needed so many to deal with that old-and-busted Romulan fleet. They almost countered 1:1 in ship counts. If they'd showed up with 20 of these and a dozen Defiant-class and the Romulans turned tail and run off like they did, it would have been far more satisfying.
@@livewire98801 for all we know those ships works as a fast response unit (it comes only in 'one size fits all' missions and such).
There is no kill like Overkill...If 'number parity' meant that the romulans would have to lose 4-5 (or more) ships to kill a single Fed Ship, or the Feds Ships were so powerful they'd gang on romulan ships to kill them even faster, thats way better logistics...if the disparity in power was that big...
Whelp...the romulans were Tal Shiar (and that automaticaly means they werent old and busted ships because he tal shiar kept the best romulan tech to themselves...)...they dont have all that many ships to use on their secret missions...maybe that was their main fleet (or most of it) and they didnt dare lose it...
@@TSEDLE333 Not a bad line of logic. And to your point, as much as O wanted to dance, she didn't take long to back down.
The design makes no sense whatsoever. First of all I wouldn't want the exhaust for my impulse engines roasting the back half of my saucer section because they didn't put the engines far enough back. As for the warp engines on struts that sweep forward, this makes no sense; unless the warp cores at the very rear of the engineering section they're sending the work plasma toward the end of the ship and then making more than 90° turn to send that warp plasma to the engines. Lastly, while I haven't had a good look at it I have a feeling that the impulse exhaust also goes at the struts that hold up the warp engines. Bad design all around.
Check out "The Trekwright Channel" on RUclips. The graphics are only fair, but all the designs try to make sense while being original and cool.
How hot is that impulse engine exhaust?
It's just like why you still see Excelsior class and older ships still around in DS9 (and STO) cheaper to modify a ship vs making a new one. It's been said that constitution class ships are pretty modular. The idea of making one frame for multiple uses especially after the loss of utopia planitia makes sense. We also see something very similar to the Odyssey class in Picard season 1 in picards archives.
Food for thought: the century-plus design of the Excelsior and Miranda classes, and the ancient Ambassador, New Orleans, Nebula and other ship classes from the 2340-2380 era can be upgraded so much that technology by leaps and bounds efficiency wise put many classes out of service earlier than expected due to cost effective more powerful ships to be built, even decommissioning the vaunted Galaxy and Sovereign classes decades before they were scheduled to be retired. I look at it that way, and I very much love the Prometheus, Intrepid, Sovereign and Akira classes…even the overlooked Saber and Norway and Steamrunner ships.
I seriously doubt the "story" was created with a copy and paste fleet of hundreds of the same ship but just variations. I think they took short cuts, despite having a big budget guess they spent it somewhere other then giving us fans the battle's and everything we waited decades to see. The borg and federation ship blue ball scenarios were not really forgivable. Seven of nine should of had the cube for at least an episode or two and started creating a fun sub plot where she is now a problem with creating her own borg invasion with picard needing to stop her, and we should of seen an epic space battle with those hundreds of ships sitting across from one another. That was BS and we all are pissed about it. I hope they fix the 10 hour movie formula and give us the short stories per episode that develop characters so we care about them and see see interesting things. The original star trek formula is needed to fix the brand or its dead.
Trek can do serialized (DS9 & Enterprise S3 comes to mind); they just need to do it better, stop trying to go for shock value and forced emotions. (Maybe get some people who've seen the earlier Trek series... and stop writing for social media chatter)
You guys can come up with these fun stories because you are passionate about trek and want to do it good service. Kurtzman and his band of trolls cannot because they are not passionate about trek and only want the good ching ching.
The vast majority of Picard was just Trek of Thrones... 'who we gonna shock everyone by killing this week?' They finally pulled back with some optimism in the end so when the ships turned up I was too busy breathing a sigh of relief to think too much about this class, or that it was a digital copy paste scenario.
But I remember being bummed out by it being so generic, especially after the hint in the first episodes of a nod towards the enterprise D, I had hoped for something more in that space, it will always been my favorite ship, as it was the last one that Gene Roddenberry was deeply involved in and it represented one of his rules, every advance should seem more simple and more advanced, apparently he originally just wanted the bridge to be a great big couch LOL.
Anyway, everyone seems to love the Sovereign class but it breaks the rules looking more complex on the bridge and ever since this launched, ship design in universe has just been the same thing over and over, no real line changes, no variations like between intrepid, defiant and galaxy.
However the explanation given of this being a reactionary defensive/offensive force given the more dystopian future makes sense and I am happy to accept that... however I will never like trek becoming dystopian though, its lazy, and ignores the core of trek, humanity can get better, which was always a sense of hope for me when humanity in the 21st century are clearly a bunch of idiots. :)
yeah we also have a main character who becomes a murderer because she saw weird things in a mind meld. Send Agnes to Jail should be a t-shirt sold on the website.
I feel like the theory that the fleet was crippled by the attack on the Utopia Planitia Shipyards is greatly hampered by the fact that there's no reason to think that existing ship designs would be in any way affected. Starfleet is filled out with ships that have service lives measured in decades. We were still seeing Miranda-Class and Oberth-Class and Excelsior-Class vessels in Picard's and Sisko's time. These things were ancient and they're still doing their job. Add to that the glut of Akira-Class vessels flooding the fleet during the Dominion War, and we have no good reason to think Utopia Planitia crippled the fleet.
While it definitely would have crippled production of vessels, it's difficult to believe that existing ships would be in any way affected.
And the Inquiry-Class, in terms of size alone, is a front-end vessel, along the lines of the Sovereign or the Galaxy-Class. Highly engineered, highly complicated devices. The idea that this class could be easily mass produced as opposed to smaller vessels like the Defiant-Class, or the Saber-Class or yes, even the poor Nova-Class is...well...I just don't find that logic to be compelling.
Additionally, it rather ignores the fact that in a fleet or a task force or a battle group, you need different ships capable of performing different roles. Imagine a WW2 task force where the battleships are supported by picket ships that are also battleships. You need faster, more agile and smaller ships capable of screening the larger, less maneuverable ships. And yes, while it's the future, and it's sci-fi, inertia still drives how quickly an object can be put into motion. No matter how magical your tech is, something the size of a Saber is gonna be more agile than something the size of a Sovereign's bigger brother.
I guess you could argue that the Dominion War severely depleted Starfleet's forces, but at the same time, we still saw Admiral Paris mobilizing a sizeable force several years after the end of the war to greet Voyager when it returned home. Including the new Prometheus-Class. It stands to reason that these classes of ships would still be well within their service lifetimes during the events of ST: Picard.
Basically, a homogenous fleet, even a task force, serves no logical purpose beyond budget constraints of the show.
I think the likeliest answer about this class is that Riker was trying to intimidate Oh. The class is new, there’s a lot of them, and Oh hears that her opposite is a very angry decorated officer! She decided she’s outmatched.
I do like your explanation for why the ships are so similar. That they would have a resources problem after the destruction of Utopia Plantia makes a lot of sense.
Old comment I know, but I never bought the idea that Starfleet became so desperate for resources or ship production after a single shipyard was destroyed. The Federation is ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE! Surely they'll have multiple mega advanced, large scale shipyards all around the place, especially around the core worlds. It's very much all eggs, one basket territory.
You did a great job on this video! I still think this was a “copy and paste fleet” that was VERY badly designed & quickly rendered. For the “flagship” of CBS all access they should have spent more and put more detail into it. I’m sure it was very well designed on paper by Eaves but Kurtzman has proven time and time again he has no real attachment to ships and places no stock in them as primary/secondary characters in the franchise therefore even well designed future ships “I.e. future ships discovery s03” are very poorly executed he only green-lit the Voyager J as a nod to the Enterprise J due to backlash from real fans to Picard s01 and Discovery s01 and the exiting of Pike and the Enterprise crew in season 2 until they strip the entire franchise from him you could take the best-designed ship and give him the best rendering team around and he would ruin it. In case you are wondering YES, I think he’s proven he can do no good when it comes to Star Trek and shouldn’t be producing shows outside of programs like “the price is right and maybe if they get desperate bachelorette or celebrity big brother.
Just got that ship in STO! Not a bad ship!
what are its weapon slots fore and aft and also stats of other things like well console slots and such need to know looking for a ship to be the main ship for a planed future stream and not really a fan of most i own and i own all but 20
I thought the point of Inquiry Class was it was modular: basic overall design, but easily customizable to be fantastic at specific things. The AR-15 of starships, if you will. Modules can be swapped to quickly create ships of the line, explorers, humanitarian aid vessels, scientific investigation ships...etc. Whatever is needed. It's resource smart and incredibly quick to build.
...I like the Bridge design on the Space Battleship Yamato from 'Star Blazers'...the Captain's Chair was at the back of the bridge...
"The Yamato had three bridges; Bridge 1 contains the helm, radar, communications and command positions (including those for engineering and ship's defences); Bridge 2 was devoted to navigation. Bridge 3 hung below the ship, serving as a backup to Bridge 1 (and a decoy to attract enemy fire), or, in Submarine Mode."
"At the top of the command tower were the captain's personal quarters, including a chair mounted on a vertical track giving him the capability of rapidly transiting to his command post in Bridge 1."
Thank you for the great breakdown!!
I think Picard was a marvelous show. There were things I would have done differently, but that's always going to be the case. However, that engagement was bizarre to me. They could have had a much smaller formation from each side facing against each other and spent resources on fleshing out a handful of ships to represent the Romulans and the Federation. Conversely, I am certain they could have grabbed existing CGI models to litter the screen with different classes of ships. It is odd to send in a fleet comprised of a single type/class of ship, it is even more odd to see two fleets made up of only one type each. Where are the support craft, the carriers, the more maneuverable ships and other types to cover the many facets of a battle?
The show was not Star Trek. It was nothing like previous shows. Total garbage, yet still better than Discovery.
@@dasparado Things change. I've been watching Star Trek since Kirk and crew was all there was, since before TNG ever came on the scene. I think the new shows are all right. But if you don't, that's OK, you don't have to watch them. Nobody is forcing you to.
I like it, that line of ships (Inquiry, Arbiter, and Avenger) is one my favorite ships in the game. That scene in Picard is definitely just a lazy copy/paste though.
I fly a kitbashed Avenger saucer section and nacelles with arbiter secondary hull and pylons.
This explanation for the USS Copy Pasta's apperance actually makes sense. Especially considering that they put an officer from the active reserve in command of that fleet - while surely having seniority, one might think an Admiral or a Captain knowing the capabilities of those ships on active duty would take command. But if all those ships, effectively, were sitting near space stations, planetary bases and shipyards, held operational by a minimal crew, it makes sense to recall reserve officers if the need to deploy those ships in larger numbers arises. Hell, they might even have solely dedicated ship-parks to store those ships, maintained by automatic systems and only administered by limited supervision. We're in the 24th/25th century after all, keeping those ships operational should not be more effort for them as for us to keep a rarely used car operational - it's standing in the garage and every once in a while we check fuel status, tire pressure and other things. Modern systems are even telling us that information quite easily, so why shouldn't it be up to five guys in a control tower to watch over 200 of those starships?
Good video man. Watching a year late but you made me chuckle.
Makes sense. I mean, look at the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, etc. They only ever have a few classes of "hero ships" in service at any given time. What's wrong with Starfleet being cost-effective? While it may not be as aesthetically pleasing, it makes more sense in terms of economics., right? Sometimes, it's good for the story to make real-world sense.
Easier on the crew a well, easier to maintain and ships systems are the same, no learning new systems
They actually said the reason for this was they ran out of time. The show had to be done by a certain date and there wasn't enough time to render the scenes with different ships.
It’s 2021. They could have done better
I believe its a specific federation battlefleet made due to the dominion war and all the other classes we know are just back on their standard role as they now have a specific fleet for defence purposes.
still doesn't make sense. fleets need specialty ships. And if they had the luxury of this fleet just sitting around doing nothing all the time in a parking lot then the Federation is too powerful to have an interesting tv show. they would need these ships off doing things, squadrons here squadrons there actually doing ship stuff, then when the time comes they pull in as many as they can to a gathering point then warp out together, no way in hell they would only be able to gather this one type of ship in an emergency. There would be a mixture of ships all over the place.
I just can't get over the George Foreman Grill Deflector Dish. She's a beautiful little ship otherwise. The fast reaction force idea is a good one, an outgrowth of the Defiant project where Starfleet fields smaller ships with bigger punch evolving to more complete starships, with the same concentration of firepower but faster, with greater range, and more ability.
The lore story good, the ship itself eh other federation ships look more intimidating than it
my head cannon always was that the inquiry type ships hollow-ring model was a joint Klingon-starfleet built variant... we know that post Dominion-war the alliance is really a big thing, and I like to think Klingon shipyards do make federation ships (or rather mixed Klingon-Federation style ships for Starfleet) and Vice-versa
suddenly having so many ships built up on both sides begs questions
The influence of Romulan Warbirds is evident. Smooth bird like lines, spread nacelles and an emphasis on firepower and toughness are noticeable. Less an explorer, more an enforcer.
Wouldn't the ships in the last season of Discovery be more powerful?
They would, but you're talking late 32nd century vs late 24th, thats 800 years of technological improvement between Picard and Disco season 3
Why they couldn't have done a little fan service and given us the Enterprise-E is a mystery. There's no evidence to support that she's still not in service in 2399, as she honestly wouldn't be THAT old. And there's been no in-canon explanation as to whether or not she's been destroyed, which would be the only reason she still doesn't exist. But giving us this would have gone a long way for longtime fans and created a lot of goodwill.
My theory is, and headcanon, that not only was it a tough, crisis-time design which utilized the same hull template to optimize production, but it was also closest.
I imagine not all of the ships were in top condition and ready to go, and that they just housed skeleton crews, but enough to operate. It's cool to see a ship that would basically bolster the fleet whilst the rebuilding with old starship parts was underway.
Anyone else hoping to see more of this class in Picard Season 3 or surprised they didn't make the Titan-A a ship of this class?
I can accept the personal explanation as a quick reaction force with cheap and fast to build single design ships. But isn't it the same explanation for the VFX studio which allegedly had only little time to implement Eaves' excellent looking concepts and so omitted so much of the finer details?
The end result, though understandable, is still an ugly looking ship. I wished those artists were given more time.
Or at least allowed to use a combination of the many legacy designs whose CGI models are readily available to CBS for free(and have all been modernised thanks to Eaglemoss' starships collection magazine), that would have plausibly still been in use at this time, look miles better, and would have provided a much better emotional payoff for long time fans.
As it was, it was a massive build up to a huge WTF-flavoured letdown. Newcomers and fans alike watched that scene in the room with me and thought "what ugly ships! How cheap looking! How excessive in number! What an all around shambles!"...
Lower Decks executed the exact same concept with just one ship to *glorious* effect.
They’re not even formed up in battle wings - Picard wasn’t a fleet commander, but even his tachion blockade was more organized than all these jagoffs vomiting out of warp
@@Destructor111 I agree. I'd lie if I thought it wasn't a huge letdown.
They were saying that when Matt Jeffries designed the Klingon D-7 Battle cruiser, and Wah Chang the Romulan Bird of Prey (as we saw in "Balance of Terror", "The Deadly Years").
What happened to the shipyards does make sense as to the "why" the inquiry class was copied and pasted. But that doesn't answer the "why" Starfleet needed to build a whole fleet from scratch that required them to just mass produce one class. Starfleet hadn't lost all of their ships in the synth rebellion. The graphics team was just being lazy.
Wenn dir deine Größe Fabrik gekillt wird baust Du danach erstmal alles so das es schnell geht. 100 mal das selbe bauen ist halt fliessband und geht schnell. Man erfährt ja auch nicht wieviele vom Entwicklungsstuff gestorben sind.
whoa, where did you get such a high quality clips of the DSP battle at the beginning of this video?
I'm sorry but from everything I'm seeing its the "toughest, fastest ship" simply because the writers said it was without actually explaining why. The great thing about Star Trek is that it was always rooted in real science and explained why one ship was better than another. Now its being written by fanfics writers who think that "because we said so" is justification for anything.
That accent! It's so very mid-Atlantic. I'm Irish, and the closest I can come to IDing it is as a very cultured or well traveled suburban Irishman.
Where are you from Adam?
Good observation! I noticed the same Irish but I suspect there is a lot of California or some other part of USA.
I'm actually from Sunderland in England, but I've been in the US for over a decade ;)
@@xedanis101 haha, makes sense - your centre of gravity has gotten dragged a bit westwards XD
From my understanding of resources, to build a fleet of that size would strip mine over a 100 planets. If that many copies arrived to fight the Romulans, than thousands of worlds, sectors, and deep space regions are left lightly defended (less that 5% per region). Also, the problem is why and how did the Romulans mass so many ships if they lost the primary resource available - there homeworld? The season ending was exciting to watch, but made little common sense. It's the Star Wars problem.
Romulans apparently went through a civil war after the supernova.
Because the the guys behind the series are lazy.
Well put. It makes total sense to make one type of ship with some variants than wildly different ships especially when they could be outclassed in maneuverability, shields, weapons, speed. Ships lacking in those areas can become more of a liability than an asset and a fleet is only as fast as its slowest ship. Can you imagine being on board one of the medical starships in the Battle of Wolf 359? Various ship types make for great visuals but it isn't practical for your fighters to consist of X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, etc. And if you decide that upgrading ships is a better option that building new ships then you have to be prepared to interrupt any missions or services and leave a significant number of that crew idle when they could be doing important work and be available at distant locations.
In ST: Voyager there was a trick in which that ship produced holographic images of allied ships to fool an enemy. I think that's the Inquiry Class' ace in the hole; the ability to project duplicates of herself. In order to throw off enemies, variations of the ship's appearance could be included.
What an ugly, murky, dirty looking ship… conjures little of the spirit of the Federation and little of why I fell in love with the escapism of Star Trek all those years ago. Alex Kurtman has a lot to answer for.
If they just scaled down the size of the fleets on each side to a dozen or so, they could have used different assets and it still would have had the same effect. Otherwise it's like the Dragon Ball version of Star Trek.
There was an interview with one of the VFX people who worked on the show. They ran out of money so couldn't do the intended fleet.
Scaling down the fleet so a couple of ships on either side would have worked very nicely, but "NOT DRAMATIC ENOUGH!"
I really wanted to see that borg cube in battle instead of crashing...cube against the Romulans would have been fun to see
I have just become a Member of Trek Central Crewman. I love Star Trek. I own all the TV shows on DVD and Blu Ray.
this is the USS Cutanpaste
I think its not a beauty and have not the level of detail and design rafiness of a sovereign class.
Before any conclusions we need to see it in action. On ST Prodigy the Protostar seams a bit more powerful. One thing is a 3rd Nacelle comes out of a compartment then the ship goes to Transwarp. The bridge has one center seat. There is glass going 180 degrees around the bridge and all stations is goes the same way as the glass. One thing very interesting is that when they go to transwarp the third nacelle comes out and the other two looks like they “tuck in” to the secondary hull. All shuttles and cargo goes into the front of the ship.
On the one hand, yes, it was pretty obviously short notice and a bit of a rush to make the whole fleet one class with minor tweaks, mostly two different nacelle details; but, the in-canon explanation backs this up very well. Starfleet is having to ramp up production on brand new ships to replace all that was lost, after the Borg, the Dominion War, and then the Synth destruction of Utopia Planetia. So, it figures that they'd focus on cranking out Model 3s and Model Ys to meet overwhelming demand, while putting the Semi, Roadster, and Cybertruck on hold.
We are Starved for some real Star Trek!!! Some classic Berman age ships... I really don't understand why all the new ships fail soo hard to capture the love we have for Defiant, Voyager, Enterprise D and E ? Maybe because they are all CGI and deep down we can feel the difference between CGI and real ships? I think it's really because the aestetics inside the ships don't match the outside. Ever since Enterprise there has been a wierd mismatch I think. I just can't put my finger on it... I think it is the mismatch between inside and out. When you were in 10-4 or bridge or anywhere on Enterprise E. You can feel where that room was on the ship. I think somehow that's been lost. The newer ships just don't feel real for some reason. This includes the Kelvin movie ships and discovery.
I was so disappointed. The cgi model is just incredibly cheap. There is almost no surface details, it is all just a skin. And also odd that the fleet has zero of the latest ship classes that are bound to be around.
You add surface details to the up-close shots, not copy-pasta. It cuts down on render time.
I've not seen the new Star Trek but always felt the USS Defiant was the pinnacle of what a proper purpose built warship should be.
For war and expected losses it would make sense to have more numerous smaller sized vessels which are quicker to build, cheaper, take less resources and need smaller crews compared to far bigger starships that are the complete opposite of all that and tend to make easier targets that get focused compared to lots of smaller agile warships.
The Defiant may have been a small ship which is more beneficial for reasons stated, but it was insanely powerful, bordering on being unstable such was the available power in it's prototype trials, and was tougher far beyond ships of much larger size. It was a casing of packing as much power, firepower, weapon types and armor into one small devastating warship.
I can still remember it back in the DS9 days fizzing away through fleets of Klingon and Dominion warships with its quantum torpedoes wrecking everything lol. Over-powered ship!
It makes sense that they would make similar ships, especially during times of war. Equipment commonality is very important for resupply and fleet maintenance.
Stop making excuses for the lazy production staff not making 3 or 4 new ships for the show
The sacarafice of angels fleet is how ships should be done look at the mixture of starfleet dominion cardassian and Klingon ships in that battle. What 30 years plus ago or 20??? Anyway it was done with care this was a cut and paste ship, thrown together and it feels as such just saying
It makes sense that the destruction of ONE shipyard curtailed the federations ability to build ships? Really? In first contact Picard himself said the federation was made of of over 250 world or species. So how does it make any sense that blowing up a shipyard, all be it a large one, on MARS would hamper Starfleet its ability to build new ships? You do understand there’s still the San Francisco ship yards orbiting earth and there dozens upon dozens more scattered across the federation’s member worlds. Not every ship was built on Mars. To me, when I see a RUclips video essentially trying to make sense or justifying lazy and quite frankly hack writers like those writing for the Kurtzman verse just annoys me to no end. Most of, if not all, “problems” brought forward in the 1st season of Picard would be easily fixed if only these “writers” would have actually read ANYTHING about the Star Trek universe.
Perhaps, but how often did you see member races ships in the show? _Extremely_ rarely. There was a few rare moments of Vulcan ships during TNG, but it was almost always an amalgamation.
You may be right about there being multiple shipyards, but you also have to consider that this particular shipyard was their biggest one where almost every ship goes to for major overhaul.
Not saying you're wrong, though...
The Inquiry Class looks cool and tough. Very nice.
I would imagine that the inquiry class is equipped with transphasic Warheads a full complement also is equipped with ablative Hull armor adaptive regenerative shielding and holographic crew replacement
copy paste ships lol I'll choose Prometheus then copy paste.
It was a lazy copy and paste job.Shame on you and some other channels for trying to excuse a blatant attempt at cost-saving. Compare this to some of the DS9 fleets we saw, during the Dominion War ,such as "Sacrifice of Angels" You could tell that they cared.
I LOVE the sentence riker dropped when he said: this is the most powerful ship we ever put into service and I can’t wait to see it kicking your Tal‘Shiar Ass. 😅
Love this ship, looks badass