@ yep , the early Fast back Mustangs ! I think the - 1969 Mach 1 had the Best Body & lines . 427 CAMMER in the 65-1970 mustangs would’ve Ripped the Roads ! I think Mickey Thompson Ran a Monster Mustang with an Animal of a CAMMER ! If I remember correctly!
That's exactly right, you never see a Chevy motor getting banned because they are to fast but the Cleveland has been banned from several types of racing from the GM guys crying.
Chevy engines aren't that fast? Eh, who has won the most NASCAR races? Chevy. Who has the quickest NHRA 1/4 mile time? Chevy. Who has the fastest NHRA 1/4 mile speed? Chevy. Your post doesn't hold water.
@theplayernkc No it's not Chevy that has won the most. If You go back and look when Elliot and the other Ford drivers were winning everything untill the Cleveland heads were banned because the Chevy guys were bitching because they couldn't catch them and I guarantee you that you have never seen a Chevy motor banned for being too fast. When they were all running factory motors Ford was kicking GMs ass but no these days you can't say Chevy has won the most amount of races because they aren't running factory motors anymore they aren't Ford or Chevy motors under the hood it's all after market brodix blocks and other brands of heads and other parts the factories have nothing to do with it anymore it's just a emblem on the front of the car. Just look at what Glidden's pro stock fords did against a sea of Chevy's as well as the dozens of Bigfoot trucks have kicked gm's ass over the years the only way a GM can really be competitive if there's not a Ford Cleveland motor in the bunch. Look it up online the Ford Cleveland motor is the most banned motor in racing history. ruclips.net/video/k8Os7R2Un8w/видео.htmlsi=FA5vH53Jp_0dxhWr
@theplayernkc Every time a Ford gets involved the GM guys aren't happy and that's what I like about it. There will never be another small block made like the Ford Cleveland No other heads will flow a river like they do. ruclips.net/video/z1uWfG9LnRM/видео.htmlsi=Uou-PVnoe_dQZM2D
@@davescbradiorepair8195 I just showed where Chevy stand as per your comment and you still have nothing to back up that comment. As for your last comment, what's that video have to do with the price of peanuts in China?
@1161byron It's definitely a topic that stirs up a lot of passion among car enthusiasts! Both engines have their merits, but the debate is always fun. keep an eye out, our next film might interest you!
Wrong..the hammer was banned because it was a overhead cam engine. Not allowed in the rules..big screwup by ford...great motor but did Not fit the rules.. amazing how much BS is being thrown around by people who know Nothing and this engine
@@fishinfool63partially true the Chrysler was banned because of GMs lack of interest in R&D and innovation but they bitched about the fact that their mystery motor was a one hit wonder and couldn't deal with the hemi. It was the 429 shotgun hemi that was banned along with the Chrysler. GM never liked to spend money on innovation, just paying off NASCAR officials. I don't know why FOMOCO didn't read the rule book or maybe they thought they could get away with it, hell GM gets anything they want out of them but NASCAR doesn't like the blocking the Chevies are doing, Toyotas either, it's too obvious and everyone sees what's going on. When they stop trying to make every make identical to the others, they can go back to racing, instead of crashing. It's sickening to watch so I don't anymore.
I remember something around the time ford did that, Chrysler got word and built 2 or 3 sohc 426 hemi's In cars. That ford had one on the track testing it and when Chrysler pulled off the car, was looked at, then banned before even starting it up. Leading to the ford ban and then all the rest of the restrictions in NASCAR and Chrysler leaving NASCAR completely. Though Ford's sohc seen some usage for a little bit, and every sec was more than the sohc 426 hemi got. I think there's only 2 complete and one partially assembled left. Either way, these in my mind is the beast that started it all. Fast forward to today and look at the engine wars now. Stock numbers hitting up to 1000 HP at the dealer
100% 71 year and on. Still a joke, these people can widen their car 2", you can't. All about the $ now. Ford was 185 mph, Mopar 196mph. GM blowing up covering the track with OIL which caused wrecks. Did I mention their Brakes were crap! I'll push a Ford before driving a GM.
@Go4BrokeOffroad Haha, I love it! Watching the older crowd guess is like playing "Name That Tune," but with engines instead of songs. Who needs a game show when you have a classic Ford?
So, Ford went from a 289 experiment to a 427 side oiler-talk about upgrading from a tricycle to a full-blown sports car! we have a 289 sohc engine story in the works
I've always said the Mod engines came from the cammer never heard it called 90 day wonder. My curiosity was peaked though with Serpentine Chain? I think jewelry like wrist bands and necklaces are sometimes called that. I could be wrong entirety. Also I believe the Trinity engine has the 5.8l of displacement. Used in the 13-14 GT500. Holeman Moody were involved with Ford's factory race program. Even today there are still NOS GT40 cars coming to fruition. The 5.4l DOHC deserves a mention powering 07'-12' GT500's,GT40 remakes and Lincoln Navigator. I think the 03'-04' SUPERCHARGED 4.6l DOHC(TERMINATOR) is a must have on any list of Ford engines. It was a engine that shook up street performance and has that sound. I still love a foxbody flowmaster tone well any car having a muffler in front of the diff has that tone.
*_The_** SOHC Motor **_still owed everything to Henry Ford II funding the research and development to make the 425 horse 427 durable enough to beat the Ferrari's at Le Mans. So when FoMoCo decided to "Hemi-Ize" their FE the bottom end was already there. They did very little to the already existing 8000 rpm rotating assembly._*
@@Fred-u1r6e *_The Le Mans Motor was a blueprinted 427 Side Oiler taylor tuned for the race. But the SOHC had no need for the original camshaft. So FoMoCo Engineers ran a dummy shaft (no lobes) in its original location so that it could as it was originally engineered power the distributor/oil pump/fuel pump and be plumbed into the 6-foot timing chained gearsets as well ..._*
My first time at a race was at Fremont Drags strip …my dads school friend was racing. His name was Gas Rhonda!! Drove a 70 mustang fastback that launched the front end off the line and then crashed down… a broken chain the announcer said…..now I finally understand what chain they were talking about!!
Wow, sounds like you had quite the experience at the Fremont Drags! gas ronda 70s longnose Mustangs really knew how to put on a show, gas has a 64 thunderbolt that we did a story on ruclips.net/video/sp1tbFpw6CA/видео.html
@ that was my first time at a race! My first discovering the smell of burning rubber and nitromethane not to mention the beautiful sounds of a motor being put thru it’s paces!! My eyes were like saucers taking in all the machines in the staging lines… I got bitten by the motorhead bug that day, peering through the chain link fence, soaking up al the sights sounds and smells….. A Day of Days in my life!
In 1975 we got a 427 Ford! We ordered a rebuild 390 with all the stuff to drop in a pickup and add gas. The motor mounts were in a different place, but boy it was with 1 Holley there was no car that could keep up! It was a 1972 Ford regular cab, 8 foot, and 4 speed pickup!
Big Daddy Don Garlits said that if Ford had not pulled the plug , this badass engine would be a competitor in Top Fuel today. I have no reason to doubt this successive pioneer. Check out the one he has in his museum. Badass
Absolutely! Don (Big Daddy) Garlits has such an incredible perspective on the history of racing. That engine is truly a piece of automotive art! what would the modern version of this engine ?
It wasn’t one of the problems it was “THE” problem for NASCAR as a person had to race with an engine that was in some model car sold by the factory it was the same thing with NHRA pro stock or lesser class cars. It didn’t matter in A/FX, altered classes, nitro classes because they allowed all sorts of weird engines in some of those classes that’s why the crate motor only SOHC was allowed. A few Ford pro stock guys used it in 1970 but it was rightly deemed an experimental engine after the one year.
You're absolutely right! "The Cammer 427" is such a fascinating engine with a rich history, and the distinction between the Cammer and its other models is important to understand.
It was also known as the 427 sohc (pronounced sock) motor. As it had one single cam shaft in each of the cylinder heads above the valve stems. The engineers then used a lobeless cam in the normal position of the engine to drive the distributor, oil pump and fuel pump as it was originally designed.
@BigDMF I feel that thought! Those old Fords have a vibe that just can't be discribed, no matter what badge is on the hood! i am just a car & truck guy
Absolutely! The Ford 427 engine is a true classic and has such a rich history in the automotive world. It's amazing how it still captivates car enthusiasts today! and in making this film we discovered the FORD GAA 18 litre V8 engine , win win
@RickyLang-s3q You're right! The Hemi definitely has a rich selection of aftermarket parts compared to the Cammer. It's fascinating to see how the aftermarket scene has evolved over the years. the cammer engineers have added some exciting toys now!
In the end, the Chysler 426 Hemi won out as no one runs the SOHC Ford engines today. No Top Fuel cars runs the Ford engine in 2024. And in 2024, drag racing teams are getting up to 12,000 hp from the original 1964 designed Chrysler 426 Hemi as clones, now limited to 500 cubic inches.
But the modern TopFuel 426 is a way different engine than the 64. They are dry deck and reinforced by a huge amount. Austin Coil designed a Ford TF based on the Boss9 that had a bigger bore spacing. After all of his development work and testing No Hot Rods Allowed banned it because of the bore spacing. Even though they were the same displacement and proportions. Kasse wanted to do a 4.9 spacing Cammer and was told no. Ed Pink and Sam Auxier had the Cammer figured out., Jay Brown built a 585CI injected 64 Galaxie and ran Drag Week a couple of times. NHRA will never allow a Cammer class.
The thing that made it so hard to race Fords was number one parts weren’t as abundant for them as Chevy parts were for their engines which drove the price way up. We raced quite a few Fords back in the late 1960’s through the late 1970’s. Several versions of the 427 but never the cammer which we couldn’t afford. We did race the 427 Medium Riser , High Riser and Tunnel Port. The tunnel port put out the most power and was very competitive with the Big Block Chevies until something broke. The parts were very hard to find even in those days then the cost. Ford never would stick with an engine program for long then go to something else. There were many versions of the FE engines from 332 all the way up to 428 cubic inch. Then in 1970 they came out with the 429 which came in many variations. We raced them for a while but again cost and parts were high because you mainly had to use Ford parts because few aftermarket parts were offered like there was for Chevies. We finally through in the towel in the mid 1970’s and started racing the Big Block Chevies. Not because we wanted to but we could race on a much smaller budget. I did have a friend with a 427 Cammer in a NHRA Pro Stock style Mustang. It ran mid 8 second 1/4 miles back in those days which was pretty good. I’ll say one thing it was tough he turn it 9,000 RPM’s and to my knowledge he never blew it up. He later went to a Boss 429 style when NHRA upped the cubic inches to 500 in 1982. He had a Pro Stock Thunderbird built by Willie Rells and the car was fairly competitive for the early 1980’s. He let Dyno Don Nicholson drive at several races. I’ve not seen that guy in over 35 years knowing him he may still have that Thunderbird and even some cammer engines.
@Dld1985 wow! Thank you for sharing your experiences! Your detailed account really adds depth to the conversation about Ford's 427 engines. It's always fascinating to hear from someone who's been in the trenches! you truly are a wonderful man sharing this with us , i started this channel to learn from expericed engineers like yourself , and create a community that can pass on such valuble information
@lassoatrain You make a great point! The 427 Cobra definitely played a significant role in elevating Ford to legendary status. It really needs a stand alone video
It came with a 90 day warranty. Thats where the name 90 day wonder came from. It's hard to believe you got a warranty at all with a 600+ hp big block turning 7000 rpm back then. I remember when Connie won the triple crown, the only one to ever win the big three sanctioned championships. That cammer was badass. The first 7 second 200 mile an hour car was cammer powered. Tire technology was in its infancy and they burned a set all the way down the strip during competition, some had no transmission. High gear only and the smoked the tires instead of the clutch.
@charleslum2438 Wow, you really know your history! The 90 Day Wonder was truly a marvel of engineering, and it's fascinating to hear your take on Connie's achievements. Those were some wild times in racing!
@rarecarstorys i grew up in the 70's i have a love affair with muscle cars :D always love cars ans fast ones! :D merry Christmas to yah ! cheers! the 454 was another great power plant !
Leonard Wood said it was terrible for stock car racing because it was heavy & in NASCAR rules a 427 Tunnel Port would make as much power as the SOHC. BUT In a 65 Galaxie it was 10 mph faster than the pole sitting car at Daytona. But tires would only last half as long.
wow, just looked him up, thank you for sharing Don Prudhomme (born April 6, 1941, in San Fernando, California), nicknamed "the Snake", is an American drag racer. ... He was inducted into the Motorsports Hall
Would have been nice if Chevy actually used the engines the engineers made behind closed doors. In the 60s they made a SOHC six bolt main 427 and a DOHC, fuel injected 377 ci engine. Both with dry sumps for racing. I still have the Super Chevy magazine with the article, pics and specs. Would have been a completely different field if both Chevy and Ford had OHC engines in the mix.
@BryanNuttall Thank you for sharing that insight! It's fascinating to see how the 427 engine's legacy extends beyond just Ford and into the world of F1.
@tomzambori5827 Thanks for catching that! I appreciate your attention to detail. It's always great to have viewers who know their engines! that was my error . keep us posted if you see anymore , we try to keep these to a minimum but with tight turn around , these sometime slip threw our quality control
Great question! The 1963 426 is indeed a fascinating engine that has sparked a lot of discussion among car enthusiasts. It’s known for both its wedge and hemi variations!
I dont buy that "it's too complex" garbage for a second. The 427 SOHC scared the socks off Chrysler so they had to figure out some excuse to have Nascar ban it from competition. Chrysler was having enough trouble with Ford's 427 Side Oiler Torinos. A Cammer Torino was a monster they just couldn't have so they had it banned. Simple as that. Nothing new.
Totally get what you’re saying! It’s wild how much drama went down behind the scenes in NASCAR. They really didn’t want to deal with that kind of horsepower!
@@The-Ford-Guy no it's in the rules no overhead cams allowed that and it was never a production car engine that's why it never even had the chance to run. Chrysler had nothing to do with it being banned I don't know where you got that from. France wouldn't even let Ford run it in a race. He said No and that was it. The Chrysler Hemi was only banned for part of 65 and once the changes and other issues were dealt with they let Chrysler run it again last couple races in 65 and then all the way through to early 70's.
Of course they did. They couldn't single out the Cammer because they didn't like it so in order to make it all seem legitimate, they banned the 396 "mystery motor" and the Chrysler hemi as well for the '65 racing season but for reasons still unknown, the Chrysler hemi and the Chevrolet 396 "Mystery Motor" was allowed for the '66 racing season but Bill France, the CEO of Nascar continued the ban on Ford's Cammer and why? Because he was pressured by not only Chrysler but GM as well. That's why Ford pulled their funding from Nascar that year.
@@The-Ford-Guy Chevy developed the new "canted valve" head design mk 2 big block @ 409 cu inch in 1961,62 to have it ready for the Daytona 500 in 1963. At the same time rumour was the engine limit was to be set at 400 cu inch so in anticipation Chevy built a 396 variant as the 409 was now too big. They eventually arrived at a 427 cu inch limit as Chrysler's Hemi increased the 392 to 426 along with other changes and ford already had the 427 FE. Chevy then increased a 3rd mystery motor to 427 and the Rat was born. In summary -1965 stock car season - Chevy ran the mk2 396 and later 427 mystery motor - ford ran the 427 FE. As the cammer was banned because it was NOT a production engine for sale in a production car available to the public and it was outside the rules of that days tech of cam in block push rod 2 valve/cyl engine. The rule book was specifically worded in 1966 to make it clear NO OVERHEAD CAM engines. - Chrysler 426 Hemi was banned for part of the '65 season to address rule infractions such as the engine had to meet production car availability and produced in 1000 vehicles for sale to the public. The sanctioning body was also concerned the Hemi was so good it was driving speeds up to dangerous levels and created safety issues for fans and drivers. The engine ban was lifted in late 65 and Chrysler could again compete with it and until early '70's (71,72 ? ) Ford continued on with its FE and Chevy used the mk 2 BB. for the '66 season forward. In 1960,61 and 62 seasons the tally was GM 79 race wins Pontiac 42 Chevy 37 Ford 22 Chrysler/Plymouth 15 This is why the Hemi was increased to 426 cu in and why Ford converted it's FE to exotic overhead cam technology. The bans were due to Ford's and Chrysler's own oversite trying to keep up and likely fearing Chevy's new Soon to be debuted Rat motor. Ford could have changed focus with the cammer and supported racers in NHRA but unfortunately chose not too and stopped development. Connie Kallita maintains today had Ford continued developing the Cammer for drag racing it would likely still be competitive today in the nitro pro classes. Ce'st la vie
@@skxj , Somehow I knew you would do just what you did here. You looked around the net until you found some obscure writings from a few years back that vaguely followed your argument and began writing and hoping I'm not old enough or never knew anyone who actually followed Winston Cup/Nascar/NHRA racing. Unfortunately for you, I did have relatives who had a common interest in these events. I remember listening to the conversations. Unfortunately, those relatives have grown old and most have passed on. More's the pity. That said, think/believe whatever you want. There are many out there who have no problem living in ignorance. As to your assertions that Ford didn't sponsor race teams in NHRA drag racing back then, I'm sure Bob Glidden, Don Nicholson and a few other teams from Pro Stock to Top Fuel that ran the 427 Cammer and the Boss 429 would disagree. So long.
@theplayernkc John Force's Night Stalker was a unique 1972 Mustang Funny Car with an unusual design that marked the early stages of his legendary drag racing career The car was originally built by Jack Chrisman and featured a rear-engine sidewinder configuration, meaning the engine was mounted sideways Key Details Originally owned by Mehus, a friend of Force from Bell Gardens High School Force's younger brother Louie served as the crew chief Rick Weeda was initially listed as a partner on the car Force borrowed a helmet and firesuit from his cousin Dave Condit for racing wild car & crew
@rarecarstorys Interesting I couldn't find any info on it with simple search terms, but soon as John Force's name came in the search, it popped right up. I wouldn't really say that car was success as per John Force. “It took me half a day just to get suited up, then it wouldn’t even start,” he said. “We were a mess. We didn’t even have a spare spark plug. We finally got it going and made one pass, a 7.70 or 7.80 at 182 mph, but the chain kept coming apart because there was no idler pulley, so when you would do a burnout and then lift, the chain would start to unravel and throw links off. On one of my next runs, the chain broke and hit Sutton, and they threw me out. “It was evil,” Force recalled. “Because your head was on the windshield, it would come around before you realized what happened; you didn’t have anything in front of you to guide you. It looks like it has a front end, but sitting in the car, you couldn’t hardly see it. I never even got licensed in it. I sold it to some sand racer guy.
@wardy98px1 Right? Imagine the marketing campaign: “Ford’s 427 Engine - Now with 100% more horsepower and 200% more smiles!” i beleive the same , a Ford car unit making low number historic pieces engines, car bodys, this would give the next generation, such inspiration!
@donwest5387 That's a common misconception! Don Garlits was indeed a pioneer in drag racing, but there were other contenders in the 200 mph club as well. It's a fascinating part of racing history!
@badass6.0powerstroke10 You're absolutely right! Don Garlits was known for his incredible achievements with the Chrysler Hemi, and Kalitta's milestone with the 427 SOHC was indeed a game-changer in drag racing history.
The 429 and Mach 3 Mustang are both iconic in their own right! They represent a significant era in automotive history, showcasing power and style. What specifically are you curious about?
There is no “shocking truth behind Fords SOHC engine” it was NEVER sold in ANY model car from the factory and sold to the public. So that made it an experimental engine and not a production engine, plus it could only be bought as a crate engine and even then you had to be well connected to get one as so few were even made.
@frankjohnson6342 we were shocked when we wrote the script, You make a great point! The history of the SOHC engine is definitely fascinating, and it’s interesting to see how it was more of an experimental piece than a mass-produced model. only 500 models , and the design was inspired in part by the sherman WWII 18.0 Ford Tank engine
Not a big deal but it's Kah-let-ah, NOT Ka-leet-a! This story resurfaced years later at the Indy 500. McLaren/Penske/Mercedes "bent" the rules of pushrod engines. Cams placed so high the pushrods were only 2 inches long. Of course the big-brains banned the engine soon after. That take some cajones sitting behind that engine. Fire suits yes, on board air supply and nito-methane no! Anyone who's had a rubber band for a cam belt knows that frustration.
@dicksonfranssen I appreciate your insight! Your knowledge about the Indy 500 and the technical details really adds depth to the discussion. Thanks for sharing!
@josephszot5545 You're absolutely right! The NASCAR cubic inch limit can be quite tricky to navigate, especially with the history of engine regulations.
we like to threw a curve ball in there , just to recive fun comments ..we are not perfect, and that the fun part in making films , thank you for watching , what would you like to see next ?
The rules against overhead cam orders were already in the books before the camper was created for thought they could push it through but Bill France says no
You make a great point! The regulations were definitely established to maintain the integrity of the sport, and it’s interesting to see how they play out over time.
Everyone has their opinions about NASCAR, and it's definitely a sport that sparks strong feelings. What do you think could be improved? the FIA also banned the Cammer!
That's a great question! AI pronunciation is improving, but it still struggles with nuances and context. We're constantly working on refining it! we will commision a real VO Artist once the channel gets monetized.
Though it was a great engine, the bottom end was weak compared to the 426 hemi. The 427 cammer was not reliable in supercharged applications. The 426 hemi is much superior !!!
Quite successful. Kalitta, Robinson, Prudomme were just a few who won with a supercharged nitro fueled cammer. Main caps were upgraded. Sure, eventually the hemis dominated.
You make a solid point! The 426 Hemi certainly has a reputation for its robustness, especially in high-performance applications. Thanks for sharing your insights!
@johnarnold893 I can understand where you're coming from! Engines can seem pretty standard until you dig into the history and innovation behind them. i like the fact that it was based of of the 18 litre Ford GAA sherman tank engine
@davemarcus5885 It's interesting to hear your perspective! Every brand has its strengths and weaknesses, and it’s important to find what works best for you.
Now make a video about the engine Chrysler/dodge WAS making to combat the 427 cammer. The cammer was a cheap way to try and pull a fast one. Glad NASCAR had their heads on straight and banned it since they didn’t wanna go by fair play.
@@zanstrom686 too bad they didn’t. Dodge/ Chrysler was simply different back then. The 427 barely put up better numbers than the 426 regardless. And again who cares. Only reason the cammer made it in was through bs. They couldn’t make a homologation agreement and that’s on them
@mackelwarren8600 It's fascinating how competition drives innovation in the automotive world! The 426 HEMI was definitely a powerhouse, and it's interesting to see how regulations shaped these legendary engines.
I seem to not remember to much about this engine, it seems to me that drag strip king was the 426 hem. Chrysler wasn’t that much into drag racing, the drivers got it rolling, Chrysler was onto nascar racing. Later it started sponsoring factory cars for drag raving. It was a week end shoot out between the three car manufacturing companies. Ford did hold down the big dragsters but I recall the other two kicking the 427’s ass.
@Cuspidor-spit-n-more You bring up some great points! The 426 Hemi definitely had its moments in the spotlight, especially in drag racing. It’s interesting how each manufacturer had their own focus and strengths during that era.
Those kind of engines I like in a heavy duty 4 wheel drive pickup where that kind of power can utilize in a pickups capability for everyday use to me in a car that's wasted horsepower in a truck is perfect especially if it is a 3/4 time to a 1 and 1/2 ton heavy duty pickup
@Cuspidor-spit-n-more Thanks for pointing that out! Don Garlits was indeed a pioneer in the drag racing world, and his achievements are impressive. I'll make sure to double-check my facts next time! as we only get 8-10 min per film
You named a lot of ford people but i noticed you didn’t mention any Chryslers cars, how about sox and martin, to name a few, i think you really look at the history.
💥 The Ford 427 CAMMER The BAD BOY - Ground Pounding - Ass Kicking - Tire Shredding - THUMPER ‼️
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That is correct !
@@JohnnyB-n4z Correct, wish Ford would've put that engine in some production cars
@ yep , the early Fast back Mustangs ! I think the - 1969 Mach 1 had the Best Body & lines . 427 CAMMER in the 65-1970 mustangs would’ve Ripped the Roads ! I think Mickey Thompson Ran a Monster Mustang with an Animal of a CAMMER ! If I remember correctly!
That's exactly right, you never see a Chevy motor getting banned because they are to fast but the Cleveland has been banned from several types of racing from the GM guys crying.
Absolutely! It's interesting how performance often dictates the rules. Chevy motors have their own charm and reliability!
Chevy engines aren't that fast? Eh, who has won the most NASCAR races? Chevy. Who has the quickest NHRA 1/4 mile time? Chevy. Who has the fastest NHRA 1/4 mile speed? Chevy. Your post doesn't hold water.
@theplayernkc No it's not Chevy that has won the most. If You go back and look when Elliot and the other Ford drivers were winning everything untill the Cleveland heads were banned because the Chevy guys were bitching because they couldn't catch them and I guarantee you that you have never seen a Chevy motor banned for being too fast. When they were all running factory motors Ford was kicking GMs ass but no these days you can't say Chevy has won the most amount of races because they aren't running factory motors anymore they aren't Ford or Chevy motors under the hood it's all after market brodix blocks and other brands of heads and other parts the factories have nothing to do with it anymore it's just a emblem on the front of the car. Just look at what Glidden's pro stock fords did against a sea of Chevy's as well as the dozens of Bigfoot trucks have kicked gm's ass over the years the only way a GM can really be competitive if there's not a Ford Cleveland motor in the bunch. Look it up online the Ford Cleveland motor is the most banned motor in racing history. ruclips.net/video/k8Os7R2Un8w/видео.htmlsi=FA5vH53Jp_0dxhWr
@theplayernkc Every time a Ford gets involved the GM guys aren't happy and that's what I like about it. There will never be another small block made like the Ford Cleveland No other heads will flow a river like they do. ruclips.net/video/z1uWfG9LnRM/видео.htmlsi=Uou-PVnoe_dQZM2D
@@davescbradiorepair8195 I just showed where Chevy stand as per your comment and you still have nothing to back up that comment. As for your last comment, what's that video have to do with the price of peanuts in China?
Boy I would love to get my hands on one of these. Thanks so much
Thank you for your enthusiasm! I appreciate the support and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
JOn Kasse offers them... but they cost $65K.
The 90 day wonder came in the ford thunder bolts in 1964 a friend of mine in Indiana has two of them he bought one them new he owned three
@@atomatom7355Jon Kaase !
Check out the Ford show in Carlisle PA, saw one there For Sale few months ago, there out there, just need to find em. And bring lot's of Money !
Fords 427 would bury the Chevy 427
@1161byron
It's definitely a topic that stirs up a lot of passion among car enthusiasts! Both engines have their merits, but the debate is always fun. keep an eye out, our next film might interest you!
Wasn't the Fords full skirted? I know the Himi was
Nascar banned the Cammer and the Mopar Hemi due to GM's inability to compete.
Ah, the classic case of “if you can't beat them, change the rules!” NASCAR keeps us on our toes!
Wrong..the hammer was banned because it was a overhead cam engine. Not allowed in the rules..big screwup by ford...great motor but did Not fit the rules.. amazing how much BS is being thrown around by people who know Nothing and this engine
@@fishinfool63partially true the Chrysler was banned because of GMs lack of interest in R&D and innovation but they bitched about the fact that their mystery motor was a one hit wonder and couldn't deal with the hemi. It was the 429 shotgun hemi that was banned along with the Chrysler. GM never liked to spend money on innovation, just paying off NASCAR officials. I don't know why FOMOCO didn't read the rule book or maybe they thought they could get away with it, hell GM gets anything they want out of them but NASCAR doesn't like the blocking the Chevies are doing, Toyotas either, it's too obvious and everyone sees what's going on. When they stop trying to make every make identical to the others, they can go back to racing, instead of crashing. It's sickening to watch so I don't anymore.
I remember something around the time ford did that, Chrysler got word and built 2 or 3 sohc 426 hemi's In cars. That ford had one on the track testing it and when Chrysler pulled off the car, was looked at, then banned before even starting it up. Leading to the ford ban and then all the rest of the restrictions in NASCAR and Chrysler leaving NASCAR completely. Though Ford's sohc seen some usage for a little bit, and every sec was more than the sohc 426 hemi got. I think there's only 2 complete and one partially assembled left. Either way, these in my mind is the beast that started it all. Fast forward to today and look at the engine wars now. Stock numbers hitting up to 1000 HP at the dealer
100% 71 year and on. Still a joke, these people can widen their car 2", you can't. All about the $ now. Ford was 185 mph, Mopar 196mph. GM blowing up covering the track with OIL which caused wrecks. Did I mention their Brakes were crap! I'll push a Ford before driving a GM.
This looks very similar to the 6.2 sohc from a raptor. Its fun watching the older crowd guess the engine in my 75 f250.
@Go4BrokeOffroad
Haha, I love it! Watching the older crowd guess is like playing "Name That Tune," but with engines instead of songs. Who needs a game show when you have a classic Ford?
Ford actually experimented with a 289 sohc engine before they decided to go all out on the already successful FE 427 side oiler.
So, Ford went from a 289 experiment to a 427 side oiler-talk about upgrading from a tricycle to a full-blown sports car! we have a 289 sohc engine story in the works
Wasn't the small block engine a F1 engine?
I've always said the Mod engines came from the cammer never heard it called 90 day wonder. My curiosity was peaked though with Serpentine Chain? I think jewelry like wrist bands and necklaces are sometimes called that. I could be wrong entirety. Also I believe the Trinity engine has the 5.8l of displacement. Used in the 13-14 GT500. Holeman Moody were involved with Ford's factory race program. Even today there are still NOS GT40 cars coming to fruition. The 5.4l DOHC deserves a mention powering 07'-12' GT500's,GT40 remakes and Lincoln Navigator. I think the 03'-04' SUPERCHARGED 4.6l DOHC(TERMINATOR) is a must have on any list of Ford engines. It was a engine that shook up street performance and has that sound. I still love a foxbody flowmaster tone well any car having a muffler in front of the diff has that tone.
MR advance tek your knowledge is outstanding…. This is why I find the RUclips community strong place to learn from professionals
*_The_** SOHC Motor **_still owed everything to Henry Ford II funding the research and development to make the 425 horse 427 durable enough to beat the Ferrari's at Le Mans. So when FoMoCo decided to "Hemi-Ize" their FE the bottom end was already there. They did very little to the already existing 8000 rpm rotating assembly._*
I'm pretty sure that the Lemans 427 was a push rod 427. and Not the 427 Sohc Engine
@@Fred-u1r6e *_The Le Mans Motor was a blueprinted 427 Side Oiler taylor tuned for the race. But the SOHC had no need for the original camshaft. So FoMoCo Engineers ran a dummy shaft (no lobes) in its original location so that it could as it was originally engineered power the distributor/oil pump/fuel pump and be plumbed into the 6-foot timing chained gearsets as well ..._*
@Imnotyourdoormat That's what I said it was push rod engine.I sure as hell know what Sohc means.and the 427 push rod engine was used in Lemans.
My first time at a race was at Fremont Drags strip …my dads school friend was racing. His name was Gas Rhonda!! Drove a 70 mustang fastback that launched the front end off the line and then crashed down… a broken chain the announcer said…..now I finally understand what chain they were talking about!!
Wow, sounds like you had quite the experience at the Fremont Drags! gas ronda 70s longnose Mustangs really knew how to put on a show, gas has a 64 thunderbolt that we did a story on ruclips.net/video/sp1tbFpw6CA/видео.html
@ that was my first time at a race! My first discovering the smell of burning rubber and nitromethane not to mention the beautiful sounds of a motor being put thru it’s paces!!
My eyes were like saucers taking in all the machines in the staging lines…
I got bitten by the motorhead bug that day, peering through the chain link fence, soaking up al the sights sounds and smells…..
A Day of Days in my life!
@ also thanks for the referenced clip !! Very cool stuff !!
In 1975 we got a 427 Ford! We ordered a rebuild 390 with all the stuff to drop in a pickup and add gas. The motor mounts were in a different place, but boy it was with 1 Holley there was no car that could keep up! It was a 1972 Ford regular cab, 8 foot, and 4 speed pickup!
Great video great facts this engine is a GEM wish i had one
@sorshiaemms5959 Thanks for your kind words! This engine truly is a gem, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Big Daddy Don Garlits said that if Ford had not pulled the plug , this badass engine would be a competitor in Top Fuel today. I have no reason to doubt this successive pioneer. Check out the one he has in his museum. Badass
Absolutely! Don (Big Daddy) Garlits has such an incredible perspective on the history of racing. That engine is truly a piece of automotive art! what would the modern version of this engine ?
One of problems with the cammer was that it was never sold at the dealership in a car available to the general public.
So you're saying it's like that secret menu item at a fast-food joint? Only a select few know about it, but everyone wants a taste!
@rarecarstorys …. I’ll stick with the 426 Chrysler Hemi. The one & only king 😉
Dodge built a new engine, the 426. Then they cried like little girls when they were outclassed.
@ ….. outclassed???? That’s a stupid statement.
It wasn’t one of the problems it was “THE” problem for NASCAR as a person had to race with an engine that was in some model car sold by the factory it was the same thing with NHRA pro stock or lesser class cars. It didn’t matter in A/FX, altered classes, nitro classes because they allowed all sorts of weird engines in some of those classes that’s why the crate motor only SOHC was allowed. A few Ford pro stock guys used it in 1970 but it was rightly deemed an experimental engine after the one year.
Ford made SEVERAL models of the 427.
The Cammer was NOT known as the 427 without including the Cammer part of the name.
You're absolutely right! "The Cammer 427" is such a fascinating engine with a rich history, and the distinction between the Cammer and its other models is important to understand.
It was also known as the 427 sohc (pronounced sock) motor. As it had one single cam shaft in each of the cylinder heads above the valve stems. The engineers then used a lobeless cam in the normal position of the engine to drive the distributor, oil pump and fuel pump as it was originally designed.
Exactly you have the high rise low rise med rise cammer MT 480 Hemi and the only non homolgation engine to run in NASCAR 427 Tunnel Port
Simply awesome!!
@davez3838
I really appreciate your kind words! It means a lot to me that you enjoyed the video!
Damn, I'd love to have one even tho I'm really not a ford guy. But i do love the older fords
@BigDMF I feel that thought! Those old Fords have a vibe that just can't be discribed, no matter what badge is on the hood! i am just a car & truck guy
Nothing like the original Ford 427 engine
Absolutely! The Ford 427 engine is a true classic and has such a rich history in the automotive world. It's amazing how it still captivates car enthusiasts today! and in making this film we discovered the FORD GAA 18 litre V8 engine , win win
It took 2 4bbl carbs too make 425 HP ,the L78 396 Chevy made 425 HP with 1 4bbl carb both great V8's
The 427 SOHC Cammer V8 is the baddest engine Ford has ever made in the 1960s.
The hemi had alot of aftermarket parts available the cammer didn’t watch ed pink videos
What the hell are you talking about
@RickyLang-s3q You're right! The Hemi definitely has a rich selection of aftermarket parts compared to the Cammer. It's fascinating to see how the aftermarket scene has evolved over the years. the cammer engineers have added some exciting toys now!
@RickyLang-s3q if ford had not of scrapped the cammer for the boss 429 we would be signing a different tune.
In the end, the Chysler 426 Hemi won out as no one runs the SOHC Ford engines today. No Top Fuel cars runs the Ford engine in 2024. And in 2024, drag racing teams are getting up to 12,000 hp from the original 1964 designed Chrysler 426 Hemi as clones, now limited to 500 cubic inches.
But the modern TopFuel 426 is a way different engine than the 64. They are dry deck and reinforced by a huge amount. Austin Coil designed a Ford TF based on the Boss9 that had a bigger bore spacing. After all of his development work and testing No Hot Rods Allowed banned it because of the bore spacing. Even though they were the same displacement and proportions. Kasse wanted to do a 4.9 spacing Cammer and was told no. Ed Pink and Sam Auxier had the Cammer figured out., Jay Brown built a 585CI injected 64 Galaxie and ran Drag Week a couple of times. NHRA will never allow a Cammer class.
Thank you for this presentation.
@holysmoke7043 I'm glad you enjoyed the presentation! There's so much fascinating history behind the 427 engine.
620 HP with one carb ,640 HP with duel carbs the SOHC is a AWESOME V8
Absolutely! The SOHC V8 really showcases what power and engineering can achieve. It’s impressive how those carb setups can make such a difference!
The thing that made it so hard to race Fords was number one parts weren’t as abundant for them as Chevy parts were for their engines which drove the price way up. We raced quite a few Fords back in the late 1960’s through the late 1970’s. Several versions of the 427 but never the cammer which we couldn’t afford. We did race the 427 Medium Riser , High Riser and Tunnel Port. The tunnel port put out the most power and was very competitive with the Big Block Chevies until something broke. The parts were very hard to find even in those days then the cost. Ford never would stick with an engine program for long then go to something else. There were many versions of the FE engines from 332 all the way up to 428 cubic inch. Then in 1970 they came out with the 429 which came in many variations. We raced them for a while but again cost and parts were high because you mainly had to use Ford parts because few aftermarket parts were offered like there was for Chevies. We finally through in the towel in the mid 1970’s and started racing the Big Block Chevies. Not because we wanted to but we could race on a much smaller budget. I did have a friend with a 427 Cammer in a NHRA Pro Stock style Mustang. It ran mid 8 second 1/4 miles back in those days which was pretty good. I’ll say one thing it was tough he turn it 9,000 RPM’s and to my knowledge he never blew it up. He later went to a Boss 429 style when NHRA upped the cubic inches to 500 in 1982. He had a Pro Stock Thunderbird built by Willie Rells and the car was fairly competitive for the early 1980’s. He let Dyno Don Nicholson drive at several races. I’ve not seen that guy in over 35 years knowing him he may still have that Thunderbird and even some cammer engines.
@Dld1985
wow!
Thank you for sharing your experiences! Your detailed account really adds depth to the conversation about Ford's 427 engines. It's always fascinating to hear from someone who's been in the trenches! you truly are a wonderful man sharing this with us , i started this channel to learn from expericed engineers like yourself , and create a community that can pass on such valuble information
They never even mentioned the cobra. In my opinion it was the cobra that deserves the credit for making the 427 Ford a legend.
@lassoatrain
You make a great point! The 427 Cobra definitely played a significant role in elevating Ford to legendary status. It really needs a stand alone video
It came with a 90 day warranty. Thats where the name 90 day wonder came from. It's hard to believe you got a warranty at all with a 600+ hp big block turning 7000 rpm back then. I remember when Connie won the triple crown, the only one to ever win the big three sanctioned championships. That cammer was badass. The first 7 second 200 mile an hour car was cammer powered. Tire technology was in its infancy and they burned a set all the way down the strip during competition, some had no transmission. High gear only and the smoked the tires instead of the clutch.
No 90 day wonder was that ford engineers assembled this in 90 days.
@charleslum2438
Wow, you really know your history! The 90 Day Wonder was truly a marvel of engineering, and it's fascinating to hear your take on Connie's achievements. Those were some wild times in racing!
He wasn't able to back it up though
It's 90 day name came from being made in 90 days
groove to know ! shared liked loved!
Thank you so much for sharing! Your support means the world to me, and I’m thrilled you loved the content!
@rarecarstorys i grew up in the 70's i have a love affair with muscle cars :D always love cars ans fast ones!
:D merry Christmas to yah ! cheers! the 454 was another great power plant !
Lookup FORD GAA...then it will all make sense.
wow, 1940s monster tank engine 18 litre 32-valve DOHC v8 , thank you for sharing , you are what makes this community great
interesting , Thank you
Leonard Wood said it was terrible for stock car racing because it was heavy & in NASCAR rules a 427 Tunnel Port would make as much power as the SOHC. BUT In a 65 Galaxie it was 10 mph faster than the pole sitting car at Daytona. But tires would only last half as long.
Don "The Snake" Prudhomme had a Cammer Dragster. It ruled the Drag Strip. NHRA got upset.
wow, just looked him up, thank you for sharing
Don Prudhomme (born April 6, 1941, in San Fernando, California), nicknamed "the Snake", is an American drag racer. ... He was inducted into the Motorsports Hall
@rarecarstorys Don has a Speed Specialty Shop in Vista, CA.
Yea baby i want that engine for my 93 F-150
@brianmaricle9646 Your F-150 might just become the king of the road with that upgrade! Just make sure it doesn’t develop a personality!
Would have been nice if Chevy actually used the engines the engineers made behind closed doors. In the 60s they made a SOHC six bolt main 427 and a DOHC, fuel injected 377 ci engine. Both with dry sumps for racing. I still have the Super Chevy magazine with the article, pics and specs. Would have been a completely different field if both Chevy and Ford had OHC engines in the mix.
@marso1384
wow, that would’ve been epic! Just thinking about those engines gives me chills. Thanks for sharing that cool info!
@ It's from the March 1992 issue of Super Chevy magazine. It has a lengthy article on Zora Duntov's involvement with Chevy racing.
It was also banded in F1
@BryanNuttall
Thank you for sharing that insight! It's fascinating to see how the 427 engine's legacy extends beyond just Ford and into the world of F1.
Did anyone else notice that in the beginning, the motor on the dyno was actually an LS Chevy?
@tomzambori5827
Thanks for catching that! I appreciate your attention to detail. It's always great to have viewers who know their engines! that was my error . keep us posted if you see anymore , we try to keep these to a minimum but with tight turn around , these sometime slip threw our quality control
The coyote is a modern day cammer !
what an amazing engine that is . wonderful to see the evolution from sherman tank GAA 18L engine all the way to the Coyote
I'd buy one to put in my living room just to look at every day.
Hey, who needs a fancy painting when you can have an eye-catching piece that sparks joy every day? Living room goals!
Gm pulled out of racing in 1963 that's the facts!!!
@hbarends5483
Thanks for sharing that info! The history of racing is filled with interesting twists and turns.
AH THE GOOD OLE RAT MOTOR.👍
The rat motor truly is a classic! It's amazing how it continues to capture the imagination of so many.
I thought the 1963 426 was a wedge, not a hemi?
Great question! The 1963 426 is indeed a fascinating engine that has sparked a lot of discussion among car enthusiasts. It’s known for both its wedge and hemi variations!
They were fast but FRAGILE
Fast and fragile? Sounds like my last attempt at a DIY project-swift but shattered!
Good talk.
@richardharrold4357 Thank you! I really appreciate your feedback. It means a lot to know that the conversation resonated with you!
I dont buy that "it's too complex" garbage for a second. The 427 SOHC scared the socks off Chrysler so they had to figure out some excuse to have Nascar ban it from competition. Chrysler was having enough trouble with Ford's 427 Side Oiler Torinos. A Cammer Torino was a monster they just couldn't have so they had it banned. Simple as that. Nothing new.
Totally get what you’re saying! It’s wild how much drama went down behind the scenes in NASCAR. They really didn’t want to deal with that kind of horsepower!
@@The-Ford-Guy no it's in the rules no overhead cams allowed that and it was never a production car engine that's why it never even had the chance to run. Chrysler had nothing to do with it being banned I don't know where you got that from. France wouldn't even let Ford run it in a race. He said No and that was it. The Chrysler Hemi was only banned for part of 65 and once the changes and other issues were dealt with they let Chrysler run it again last couple races in 65 and then all the way through to early 70's.
Of course they did. They couldn't single out the Cammer because they didn't like it so in order to make it all seem legitimate, they banned the 396 "mystery motor" and the Chrysler hemi as well for the '65 racing season but for reasons still unknown, the Chrysler hemi and the Chevrolet 396 "Mystery Motor" was allowed for the '66 racing season but Bill France, the CEO of Nascar continued the ban on Ford's Cammer and why? Because he was pressured by not only Chrysler but GM as well. That's why Ford pulled their funding from Nascar that year.
@@The-Ford-Guy Chevy developed the new "canted valve" head design mk 2 big block @ 409 cu inch in 1961,62 to have it ready for the Daytona 500 in 1963. At the same time rumour was the engine limit was to be set at 400 cu inch so in anticipation Chevy built a 396 variant as the 409 was now too big. They eventually arrived at a 427 cu inch limit as Chrysler's Hemi increased the 392 to 426 along with other changes and ford already had the 427 FE. Chevy then increased a 3rd mystery motor to 427 and the Rat was born. In summary
-1965 stock car season
- Chevy ran the mk2 396 and later 427 mystery motor
- ford ran the 427 FE. As the cammer was banned because it was NOT a production engine for sale in a production car available to the public and it was outside the rules of that days tech of cam in block push rod 2 valve/cyl engine. The rule book was specifically worded in 1966 to make it clear NO OVERHEAD CAM engines.
- Chrysler 426 Hemi was banned for part of the '65 season to address rule infractions such as the engine had to meet production car availability and produced in 1000 vehicles for sale to the public. The sanctioning body was also concerned the Hemi was so good it was driving speeds up to dangerous levels and created safety issues for fans and drivers. The engine ban was lifted in late 65 and Chrysler could again compete with it and until early '70's (71,72 ? )
Ford continued on with its FE and Chevy used the mk 2 BB. for the '66 season forward.
In 1960,61 and 62 seasons the tally was
GM 79 race wins
Pontiac 42
Chevy 37
Ford 22
Chrysler/Plymouth 15
This is why the Hemi was increased to 426 cu in and why Ford converted it's FE to exotic overhead cam technology.
The bans were due to Ford's and Chrysler's own oversite trying to keep up and likely fearing Chevy's new Soon to be debuted Rat motor.
Ford could have changed focus with the cammer and supported racers in NHRA but unfortunately chose not too and stopped development. Connie Kallita maintains today had Ford continued developing the Cammer for drag racing it would likely still be competitive today in the nitro pro classes.
Ce'st la vie
@@skxj , Somehow I knew you would do just what you did here. You looked around the net until you found some obscure writings from a few years back that vaguely followed your argument and began writing and hoping I'm not old enough or never knew anyone who actually followed Winston Cup/Nascar/NHRA racing. Unfortunately for you, I did have relatives who had a common interest in these events. I remember listening to the conversations. Unfortunately, those relatives have grown old and most have passed on. More's the pity. That said, think/believe whatever you want. There are many out there who have no problem living in ignorance. As to your assertions that Ford didn't sponsor race teams in NHRA drag racing back then, I'm sure Bob Glidden, Don Nicholson and a few other teams from Pro Stock to Top Fuel that ran the 427 Cammer and the Boss 429 would disagree. So long.
Chrysler had the twin cam hemi long before Ford an NASCAR would not allow it but it was put in plains
@DavidDerr-xs5xe Ah, the good ol’ days of engine espionage!
9:00 What is this Night Stalker 1972 Mustang you speak of? I can't find any info on it.
@theplayernkc
John Force's Night Stalker was a unique 1972 Mustang Funny Car with an unusual design that marked the early stages of his legendary drag racing career
The car was originally built by Jack Chrisman and featured a rear-engine sidewinder configuration, meaning the engine was mounted sideways
Key Details
Originally owned by Mehus, a friend of Force from Bell Gardens High School
Force's younger brother Louie served as the crew chief
Rick Weeda was initially listed as a partner on the car
Force borrowed a helmet and firesuit from his cousin Dave Condit for racing
wild car & crew
@rarecarstorys Interesting I couldn't find any info on it with simple search terms, but soon as John Force's name came in the search, it popped right up. I wouldn't really say that car was success as per John Force.
“It took me half a day just to get suited up, then it wouldn’t even start,” he said. “We were a mess. We didn’t even have a spare spark plug. We finally got it going and made one pass, a 7.70 or 7.80 at 182 mph, but the chain kept coming apart because there was no idler pulley, so when you would do a burnout and then lift, the chain would start to unravel and throw links off. On one of my next runs, the chain broke and hit Sutton, and they threw me out.
“It was evil,” Force recalled. “Because your head was on the windshield, it would come around before you realized what happened; you didn’t have anything in front of you to guide you. It looks like it has a front end, but sitting in the car, you couldn’t hardly see it. I never even got licensed in it. I sold it to some sand racer guy.
The BAN also sank the MOPAR 426 HEMI SOHC. The planet has rotated slower since that day.
@johnwick-ii6il your so right? Those engines were so powerful, they probably had their own gravitational pull!
If I was head man at ford I would be building alot of those engines new again lol
@wardy98px1 Right? Imagine the marketing campaign: “Ford’s 427 Engine - Now with 100% more horsepower and 200% more smiles!”
i beleive the same , a Ford car unit making low number historic pieces
engines, car bodys, this would give the next generation, such inspiration!
Ive always liked ford power.
I thought garlits was the first 200mph 1/4?
Garlits always ran Chrysler Hemi, Video says Kalitta was the first 427 SOHC to 200 mph.
@donwest5387
That's a common misconception! Don Garlits was indeed a pioneer in drag racing, but there were other contenders in the 200 mph club as well. It's a fascinating part of racing history!
@badass6.0powerstroke10 You're absolutely right! Don Garlits was known for his incredible achievements with the Chrysler Hemi, and Kalitta's milestone with the 427 SOHC was indeed a game-changer in drag racing history.
They're both hemi's.
100% correct, did one company tradmarked the name?
Seems like Top fuel cars would be based on this engine if so great.
Absolutely! The engineering behind Top Fuel cars is fascinating, and they definitely draw inspiration from high-performance engines like this one.
So what of the 429, and the mach 3 mustang.?
The 429 and Mach 3 Mustang are both iconic in their own right! They represent a significant era in automotive history, showcasing power and style. What specifically are you curious about?
There is no “shocking truth behind Fords SOHC engine” it was NEVER sold in ANY model car from the factory and sold to the public. So that made it an experimental engine and not a production engine, plus it could only be bought as a crate engine and even then you had to be well connected to get one as so few were even made.
@frankjohnson6342 we were shocked when we wrote the script,
You make a great point! The history of the SOHC engine is definitely fascinating, and it’s interesting to see how it was more of an experimental piece than a mass-produced model. only 500 models , and the design was inspired in part by the sherman WWII 18.0 Ford Tank engine
The "AI" voice that I'm sure your heard in ad's.
@tonywestvirginia
Thank you for watching! I’m glad you found the video interesting, even with the AI voice in the mix!
So why did you shoe an LS on the dyno?
Not a big deal but it's Kah-let-ah, NOT Ka-leet-a! This story resurfaced years later at the Indy 500. McLaren/Penske/Mercedes "bent" the rules of pushrod engines. Cams placed so high the pushrods were only 2 inches long. Of course the big-brains banned the engine soon after. That take some cajones sitting behind that engine. Fire suits yes, on board air supply and nito-methane no! Anyone who's had a rubber band for a cam belt knows that frustration.
@dicksonfranssen
I appreciate your insight! Your knowledge about the Indy 500 and the technical details really adds depth to the discussion. Thanks for sharing!
The timing chain was 6 ft long.
What u showed on the day I wasn't a cammer
Haha, love that! Glad you were there for the ride, camming or not!
I'm sure that GM COULD CREAT A HEMI BIG BLOCK
They could, but the Chinese won't allow it.
@williamhopkins4162
It's interesting to think about what GM could do with a modern HEMI big block! Innovation knows no bounds in the automotive world.
429 cu, in. right, NASCAR cubic inch limit as 430.
@josephszot5545
You're absolutely right! The NASCAR cubic inch limit can be quite tricky to navigate, especially with the history of engine regulations.
@rarecarstorys 430 cu în. for ability to reuse a 427 block with clean up bore? new blocks ain't cheap as we know.
Did you really show a Chevy LS on the dyno???
we like to threw a curve ball in there , just to recive fun comments ..we are not perfect, and that the fun part in making films , thank you for watching , what would you like to see next ?
Sounds like someone was paid off from Chrysler!
Maybe they threw in a lifetime supply of tire rotations as a sweetener! 😂
The rules against overhead cam orders were already in the books before the camper was created for thought they could push it through but Bill France says no
You make a great point! The regulations were definitely established to maintain the integrity of the sport, and it’s interesting to see how they play out over time.
NASCAR is a bunch of neutered pos
Everyone has their opinions about NASCAR, and it's definitely a sport that sparks strong feelings. What do you think could be improved? the FIA also banned the Cammer!
Anyone else bothered by them putting in a clip of a ls on the dyno? Coulda at least choose something that’s not a pushrod engine 🤣
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate your input and will definitely consider it for future videos!
Why can’t we correct AI language pronunciation
That's a great question! AI pronunciation is improving, but it still struggles with nuances and context. We're constantly working on refining it! we will commision a real VO Artist once the channel gets monetized.
Though it was a great engine, the bottom end was weak compared to the 426 hemi. The 427 cammer was not reliable in supercharged applications. The 426 hemi is much superior !!!
Yet it had sucess in Top Fuel applications...
Quite successful. Kalitta, Robinson, Prudomme were just a few who won with a supercharged nitro fueled cammer. Main caps were upgraded. Sure, eventually the hemis dominated.
You make a solid point! The 426 Hemi certainly has a reputation for its robustness, especially in high-performance applications. Thanks for sharing your insights!
Most of the 427 Hemi ran in top fuel were k . Black after market engine. Not stock blocks
Negative.
There is nothing shocking about any engine.
@johnarnold893 I can understand where you're coming from! Engines can seem pretty standard until you dig into the history and innovation behind them. i like the fact that it was based of of the 18 litre Ford GAA sherman tank engine
Shocking Truth 🤣
@GGNoble47 If only the truth came with a warning label, right? 😂 What part caught you off guard?
Ford is the worst motor ever built ..... Can't stand them... I will not even let a Ford in my car shop
@davemarcus5885 It's interesting to hear your perspective! Every brand has its strengths and weaknesses, and it’s important to find what works best for you.
The Ford Cammer never amounted to anything. And was scrapped after just a few years,
I appreciate your comment! It's fascinating to delve into the history of these engines, even the ones that didn’t quite make it.
First to do 200 mph doesn t sound like noting
@@sorshiaemms5959 Ford sucks 💯👍
Enough with the dam ai narrator !!! Hire a HUMAN !
@nilo70
I promise the AI doesn’t have feelings, but I’ll let it know you prefer humans-just don’t tell it I said that!
Now make a video about the engine Chrysler/dodge WAS making to combat the 427 cammer. The cammer was a cheap way to try and pull a fast one. Glad NASCAR had their heads on straight and banned it since they didn’t wanna go by fair play.
Sounds like a bunch of whiners to me. You sound like a whiner.
Chrysler's Secret Weapon: The Engine That Could've Taken Down the 427 Cammer!
The engine that never was, all talk. If the racing organizations ever got out of the way, Ford would be dominating everthing.
@@zanstrom686 too bad they didn’t. Dodge/ Chrysler was simply different back then. The 427 barely put up better numbers than the 426 regardless. And again who cares. Only reason the cammer made it in was through bs. They couldn’t make a homologation agreement and that’s on them
@ sounds like you’re whining right now ? Cammer got banned because ford was stupid and tried to cheat. Doesn’t matter, dodge rules nasxar in that era
While Ford was building this motor. Chrysler was working on a more powerful 426 HEMI engine. After NASCAR banned the HEMI they dropped the plan.
@mackelwarren8600 It's fascinating how competition drives innovation in the automotive world! The 426 HEMI was definitely a powerhouse, and it's interesting to see how regulations shaped these legendary engines.
I seem to not remember to much about this engine, it seems to me that drag strip king was the 426 hem. Chrysler wasn’t that much into drag racing, the drivers got it rolling, Chrysler was onto nascar racing. Later it started sponsoring factory cars for drag raving. It was a week end shoot out between the three car manufacturing companies. Ford did hold down the big dragsters but I recall the other two kicking the 427’s ass.
@Cuspidor-spit-n-more You bring up some great points! The 426 Hemi definitely had its moments in the spotlight, especially in drag racing. It’s interesting how each manufacturer had their own focus and strengths during that era.
Those kind of engines I like in a heavy duty 4 wheel drive pickup where that kind of power can utilize in a pickups capability for everyday use to me in a car that's wasted horsepower in a truck is perfect especially if it is a 3/4 time to a 1 and 1/2 ton heavy duty pickup
Exactly! A high-powered engine in a car is like putting a lion in a kitten's playpen. Give it the room to roar-preferably in a sturdy truck!
Lol ford junk!!!!
@Freedome-h9z
Everyone has their preferences when it comes to cars! What do you drive?
I do believe you should get your facts together, don garliys in 1964 broke the 200 mph bracket.
@Cuspidor-spit-n-more Thanks for pointing that out! Don Garlits was indeed a pioneer in the drag racing world, and his achievements are impressive. I'll make sure to double-check my facts next time! as we only get 8-10 min per film
You named a lot of ford people but i noticed you didn’t mention any Chryslers cars, how about sox and martin, to name a few, i think you really look at the history.
Thanks for your input! Sox and Martin cars made a significant impact, and I'll keep that in mind for future videos. added to list