After years of living in a house with a large (for a TV) modern OLED and modern projectors I can tell you that everyone in the house as well as visitors prefer the projector. That includes the owner of the TV.
@@billschannel1116 totally relatable up to a certain point. When people see the 100 inch 4k screen they say wow. 'That's amazing', specially with animated movies. I don't speak my mind to tell them otherwise, I know that I really prefer the OLED for gaming and watching dark scenes. There's no comparison... Last season of Stranger Things I skipped the project and the same goes for the next Game of thrones. Greetings
@@billschannel1116 at least with my 1080p projector, my LED TV is significantly sharper. Is this not the case with 4k projectors? Are they equally sharp? Also reducing contrast once you're used to OLED is super difficult. It's next generation contrast.
Clicked the product link, and I must admit, that has been the quickest time I've closed a tab after seeing its price. But it's definitely gorgeous though.
@@chrishayes5755projector's quality = how dark is the room. You can see his room is kinda bright, if you close all the light source I believe it will be amazing
@@chrishayes5755not in person. Camera makes it look moren washed out than it is. In a dim lit room if can actually look way better than a TV if you have the right backing material, but can look worse in a bright room
I've had a 120" projector setup since 2009. Pro tips: make sure the screen's center is parallel to eye view from the couch, and 9'-12' is the optimal viewing distance. Black diamond screens make the image pop, even if you take the screen out in the sun, it will still look like you're looking at a regular TV. The black diamond also drastically increases contrast. Lastly, Epson makes the best projectors, at a competitive price, and has the capability to convert ALL 2D content into 3D.
@@phillylarkin.s1930 you obviously have never had one. Mine is super bright, and doesn't wash out in light because of the type of screen I have. OLED is overrated, in my opinion, and projectors have no worries of burn-in.
@@thedayofquicksilver6930 I have my projector in the brightest room of the house (The living room) with no screen and it's usually in use during all of the daytime hours and a good portion of the night as well. If you time it right, there's even a time when sun directly hits the picture. My picture isn't dull nor dark.
I have the projector. Not into gaming, but for movies it is awesome. You can get special paint for a screen. The nice thing is that when you're not watching, it is just a blank wall instead of an eyesore. Getting good sound is key to the experience.
As someone who lives in a pretty small apartment (and does not care too much about the finer details of the image), the projector absolutely wins out because it can provide an extra large screen without taking up so much space or requiring much setup. I bought the Anker Nebula Capusle II, a 720p projector for 600 USD a year ago and I've really enjoyed using it for both watching films and playing cinematic games that don't require split-second precision (like Red Dead Redemption or Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice). The projector is just the size of a beer can too (it's even shaped like one), and while it isn't a short-throw I can still get a huge image within a 2-meter range. Since I just project it directly on my wall with the blinds closed, the only extra gear I need are a couple of books to prop it up on my desk.
This is pure cope. Any 720p projector in a room that is not dedicated to keeping out all light, with the seating probably being too close if it covered most of a wall would've looked like absolute dogshit. You made the choice to spend your money on a projector instead of a TV, live with it, but don't convince yourself you made the perfect decision.
This is good if you have a job which offers regular transfers. Moving a TV is always a hassle. It may break sometimes. Great option when you move too much.
Also, before she died recently, my mom and I spent a lot of time in hospital rooms or the hotel rooms connected to the hospital. She had macular degeneration and taking the projector was awesome. Can you imagine the difference between a terrible hotel/hospital TV and a high quality ultra short throw? Especially for someone with terrible eye sight? Like you said, they are really great for moving around. We've even done outdoor stuff for kids.
I recently changed from a 43" TV to a 100" projector. In games its just okay due to contrast in the day (I have a very sunny living room), but movies look exceptional at night! I am a contect consumer with casual gaming and I am 100% satisfied with the change. Hope you like it for future as well.
Immersion is incredible on a projector. When I race or fly it feels great. And strategy war games will make you feel like your cheating and yearning for 8k. 😀
@@raulitrump460 For me. I prefer larger than 100" pictures. And depending on what projector technology you go with vs what TV technology you go with the cost of the projector might be more or might be less.
@@Optimus514 that depends of how large is the place you’re installing it. 140” you’ll need at least 4 meters from the screen… most of Uk homes doesn’t have such large spaces unfortunately…
Love my projector with 120” screen got it right after the pandemic hit and it’s been a life changing experience. I sit about 10 feet from it and the center point of the screen is almost at my eye level. The immersion is just unreal watching movies and tv shows. Don’t need to go to the movies anymore. My next upgrade will probably be something triple laser UST with 150” ALR PET Crystal screen. Thx for showing us this setup. 👍
I enjoyed going to the theater UNTIL I got a projector. Now when I go the seats are less comfortable, the screen is smaller (in ratio), and the food is worse. And of course the cost. The COVID is the cherry on top of the theater experience.
@@billschannel1116 haha I only go to cinema now for comedy and horror movies as it is still fun to laugh and scream with 100s of other people! Blockbusters, well that's what my home theatre is for!
If I sit from a distance of about 3 meters (almost 3 ft) would I be able to watch the full picture without moving the eyes? thinking about switching to the hisense px1 pro but the room where I want to instll it isnt so big.Thanks for your help.
I have an Ultra Short Throw. We use it a few times a month and like it but prefer a regular TV 80-90% of the time. It’s great for big sporting events, movies with surround sound and watching music videos at night, but it’s more gimmick than something I’d want to watch daily. It’s a nice luxury to have though but would not recommend it for your main living area.
In 2018 I added a retractable 100 inch screen with a budget 1080p projector to my living room setup, which at the time had a 55 inch Panasonic VT65 plasma TV. I found myself hardly ever using the TV except for simple TV shows and was all in on the projector for gaming and movies even though the TV had significantly better image quality. Four years later I've upgraded the TV to a 65 inch LG C1 OLED, but that still doesn't get much use for gaming or movies because the 106 inch screen (largest that fits the room, and I'm sat pretty close) and Optoma UHD42 4K projector that replaced my first projector and screen are just gorgeous. Yes the OLED has better picture quality but the projector still looks amazing and the size difference can't be ignored. Love the TV but the projector is the first choice for just about everything. My projector setup was also much cheaper than the UST options and indeed the OLED - £1,200 for the projector, £250 for the screen, £50 for a long fibre optic HDMI cable, and about £25 for a ceiling mount. (For something of a best of both worlds, I have a 48 inch C1 in my office for up close PC gaming that fills even more of my field of vision than the projector does in the living room, but it's not quite the same as reclining on the sofa and still having a huge screen. Also not really suited to watching movies with others!)
Certain individuals in the comment section have been doubting me when I say that my family, my friends, and I always chose the projector when given a choice. I don't care what people chose, I just don't want people turned away due to inaccuracies like projectors need darkness, etc. I'm thinking about a QD oled for the computer but to be honest I wish they came in greater than 65" screens.
Is it all about the field of vision? E.g. one room with 110" projection screen where you sit a bit further from the screen, vs another room which is a bit smaller and you sit a bit closer to an 83" OLED so that the viewing angle is exactly the same. Would the projector setup still be better? (assuming only 1-2 people would be watching, so room size wouldn't be an issue)
@@thcyprus i know your changing your distance but its worth noting that there's a lot of size difference between 82 and 110. The 110 is going to have 80% more area. But anyways while my projectors have always been much larger than my TVs, I do have experience using a 48 and 55 inch tvs point blank with just me. It feels different to me but I enjoy both situations. If your eyes are normal you can do a poor man's test by using your phone vs your TV. I can't really do that because my eye muscles treat far vs close different. Which is a shame because it hampers my VR usage. But if it feels the same to you than perhaps the TV vs projector would too. And it's worth noting that after you get a projector you might start wanting even larger screens. Literally my number 1 ask to my realtor was I wanted a large blank wall. He never did understand until I found a place where I could do a 14 foot picture. Now that was back before ultra short throws. Now it's both easier and harder to do large screens. Easier in that throw distance is inches not feet but harder because you can't start your vertical height at the baseboard with a ust. At least not right side up.
@@billschannel1116 Thanks. A question: as you get bigger screens do you increase your viewing angle, or you sit further back to maintain the same viewing angle?
Great overview. The TLDR is if you care foremost about screen size, get a projector. But if image quality is your chief priority, then you shouldn't be looking at a projector anyway, unless $ is no object and you can spring for the best of the best. To achieve IQ approaching that of LG's flagship OLEDs, you'd need to spend between $30-50k on a top-flight projector. And even then, the black levels still won't be absolute black in order to achieve the (theoretically) infinite CR of the best OLEDs, and the response time (even with Game Mode active) will be higher than that of the best OLEDs. The average Joe may not be able to discern meaningful differences between the two display types, and ultimately may be over-wowed by the sheer size advantage of a front projection system, but if you're all about picture quality, the latest and greatest OLEDs offer the best bang for the buck as of 2022.
I won’t say how much I spent but I did spend quite a bit on a triple laser Samsung 4k HDR, with all the bells and whistles for screen speaker etc. it still does not compete with any of the top OLED tv. Still has that “washed out” look. For cinema/theater experience , then yes projector is the way to go. Casual news/cartoon/gaming, just get a TV for the same amount of money, you’ll be a lot happier. Agree with OP
@@medavid16 Right, and impressions are often shaped by what you had before. Reducing contrast once your eyes are used to OLED e.g. can be a difficult transition.
@@medavid16 *"Still has that “washed out” look."* I hope you're not viewing it in a lighted environment... I own CRTs and an LG OLED, and am very particular about image quality, but I would never describe my old W1070 as having a "washed out" look. Relatively, the constrast ratio and black level don't compete with CRT or OLED, but personally I would reserve the term 'washed out' to refer to an image that appears that way on its own merit, rather than just relative to another display.
I bought a projector Xgimi Horizon Pro (120") 4 months ago where I have my 3060ti connected to it and I love it. It's not the best in the daytime, but for me, it's more than usable, at night though it's an insane experience. It almost feels like having a cinema at home.
Why in the world aren't you guys buying blackout cloth? Blackout cloth is white---you can either seal off a window and rely on interior lights, or use a roller so that you can pull it down over the window, and then keep it tight against the wall with magnets to minimize light seepage. I got tired of having to wait until nighttime in order to play immersive games or watch movies. This should be done in any room used for movies or immersive gaming that has a window(s), whether one is using projection or a direct-view display.
Another great thing with a projector/screen is that it can be very discrete. My screen is completely hidden behind a ceiling wood beam and it only rolls down when I turn the projector on. Even the projector isn't that visible between the beams. That means you don't have a huge ass tv looming over your living room constantly when maybe you actually only use it in the evening. Makes for a clean look.
That's the best aspect for this as opposed to a big ass tv. One thing I do think is that there should be some kind of a ultrasound dust protection as the lens is going to be clogged up with dust in two days tops. You can even see the dust there already in the video. Anyway, this device is totally not consumer ready which the price tag explains perfectly but, just like the ultra high end VR headsets that show life-like image, this will trickle down to affordable just like all consumer electronics usually does. And the best part is that it will be even better than it is right now.
@@whatsupbudbud I've had an ultra short throw projector in a dusty room for about 14 months. It doesn't impact image quality. It's on the floor and in the path of dust coming from a vent. It's extremely sturdy and not something I worry about at all. We have a toddler who does everything around it while it's on. The screen turns down the moment something moves near it's beams. I haven't been able to have it hit my eyes and I've tried. The only part I worry about is the head of the HDMI cable plugged into the projector. I wouldn't want the kid to step on that but it's not a natural thing for them to do, and I don't worry about it. I only use one hdmi port anyways. The toddler LOVES the projector. She likes how she can walk right up to the wall and touch the picture. (We do not use a screen)
My home theater projects right on the wall. No screen to fuss with. I'm sure some purists would take issue, but with the lights out for movies, all you see is the image. I think it looks great. Also, given the density of the light, any microscopic dust grain on the lense will shine. That doesn't mean it affects the image.
And if you go through the trouble of mounting it to ceiling it is even better. It takes no more room than flat screen TV. But the benefit a projector has over flat screen is : space or more accurately the lack of space it requires. With motorized roll up screen you can have the screen appear out of thin air to front of the window and disappear when you do not need it. But roll up screen absolutely suck with UST projectors. UST is really, really picky for the screen surface. Even tensioned screen will have waves and ripples in the screen pretty soon. And those are REALLY horrible for UST. And with laser it it so bight that you need grey low gain surface. Also the thing about Laser projectors they do never mention is that with the advertised 4 times longer "lamp" life than normal lamp projectors is not the life of lamp which in normal projector you can replace with few hundred dollar replacement lamp making the projector as good as brand new. In laser projector the "lamp" life is the life of the whole projector. You buy $25000 Laser projector which you get to throw away in 4 years once the laser dims in heavy daily use. As where lamp projector is running still running great after 30 years (like mine was) you just replace the lamp when ever you feel the image gets too dim.
Have had a 1080p projector for over a decade. Still love it. Best setup imho is 65-85" thin TV close to wall and a motor projector screen in ceiling. Push a button and it lowers in front of tv when you want the big screen at night/movie. If your trusses are parallel to your wall. Otherwise mount to ceiling.
Hope they keep refining and making these better. I’d love to get one one day however the response time and HDR/lack of Dolby Vision related issues need to be ironed out first. Going from OLEDs perfect blacks is something really hard to go back on.
@@GamezGuru1 it's a projector, the screen reflecting the daylight itself giving you the idea of black lv is terrible. Not to mention he put extra lights in the room for video shoot along with the fact they just don't have a great viewing angle when there are other light sources in the room. But that's how it is with them, you play in a room with control lights or dark room.
@@Optimus514 *"Anyone who buys a projector and watches it with the lights on, let alone the blinds open during the day, is being silly and wasting their money."* This kind of fact needs to be disseminated. The media (who generally work for the industry) certainly isn't doing a good job of it. Though front projection suffers the worst, watching _any_ display in a lighted environment is silly if one cares about immersion. As ambient light increases, our pupils constrict, which limits our ability to perceive shadow details, reduces contrast ratio, and destroys the ability to perceive one of the main reasons for buying an OLED: True blacks.
@@frangipani-dreams That's right. Like I said, watching any display in a lighted environment is bad for image quality and immersion. Especially CRT or OLED, because you won't even be able to distinguish the difference between the black level of an LCD due to pupil constriction.
I paid $1000 an Epson projector, if you can afford a high end projector, great, but most can't. The cheaper projectors can give you the same quality picture. The nice thing about this projector, you can put it close to the wall. You don't need to spend that much for the same quality/experience.
Its sweet. I have had a 120" wide projector setup since 2000 (yes, really). I changed out projectors once since then, still waiting on the 4k projectors. The ceiling mount is not a big deal if you know how, and if people are standing in the projector beam, they are usually blocking the screen as well. The daylight viewing got much better with the second generation projector, but (as you say), its much better with the curtains drawn, and I have done a lot to shut out light in that room (entry doors, blackout curtains, etc). I'm waiting for a true LCD solution for 4k, perhaps in vain! They are out there, but the cost is in low earth orbit.
Optically, this appears to be an amazing engineering feat. I think there may be a lot to be done on the screen side, maybe playing with light polarity, to mitigate this issue with ambient lighting. The projection angle is so strong that very little ambient light comes from that angle. This could be leveraged in a smart way.
Very good question. Now the optical engineering has been upgraded. For example: T prism technology, 93% of the real ambient light suppresses the screen.
Just switched this year from my 42" Plasma TV, which had an awesome picture, to a UST projector with a $1500 VividStorm screen. Yes, I lost the beautiful picture of the Plasma, but I love the immersiveness of the 120" screen. I'm floored with how bright my room can be.
You were spot on when you said everything feels like an event. I loved my old LG 1080p projector until it died. I might get another one, just not this expensive.
@@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori Usually, you can simply look for the lifespan of the projector or its light source in the specifications section before making a purchase.
@@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori Laser models generally have a life expectancy of 20,000 to 30,000 hours. Mind you that's almost 7 years on the low end if you have it on for 8 hours a day, every single day. By then you're probably looking at 8K or some new fancy HDR option anyway.
I certainly prefer movies on a projected image, and not because of the size. Our eyes see the world through reflected light and I feel projected images feel more organic over tv’s, which are essentially like staring at a light source. I’m not so fussed about all the technicalities, because the way it ‘feels’ to me is more important than how it technically looks.
I game on a 175” screen…and yes TV has more backlight and it’s awesome…but you can’t ignore the level of immersion when gaming on a screen that’s floor to ceiling and wall to wall. It’s full immersion with your peripheral vision. It’s a addicting and so much fun.
Impressed by how short the throw is. I would have gone bigger. My 1080p projector is almost floor to ceiling: its great. An added "bonus" is we are using it in the day
You have convinced me that I can't afford neither... What I did is bought a roller stand for my 55 incher, and put it right in front of me, and it feels like a 120 incher
That's awesome. For years I used two displays with my computer. One was a standard projector with a 14' screen that I was about 8 feet away from and at the same time I used a 55" TV at Arms length. Now when I use anything else I find myself squinting. 🙂 At a physical rehab place I used an 82" touchscreen on a really cool looking rolling stand. It was awesome. I definitely would like to pick up one of those. I'm currently looking at a 65" QD-OLED for an arms length PC monitor. I would go bigger but that's where they top off at.
Yes, actually. Tou 1000% did the eight thing here. I did the same with my old Samsung 55" 4K JS9000 UHDTV but used an actual TV stand that had wheels on it. TV screen images are supposed to occupy as much of your FOV (field of vision) as possible yet everyone keeps making the same mistake and putting their TVs way too far back. I have since gone projector myself and donated my TV to a friend's needy family as they have 4 kids. They are all very happy now. 😊
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Look at the used market. I got a 120" ALR screen and 4k UST for 1200 euros. The price of the setup I have now would by slighty above 5k when it was new. I don't see the difference between a used one and a new one.
Maybe the difference is in the life left, I recently had my 55 incher break on me, one of the backlight zone is dead, and to fix it is more expensive than buying a new one. But if you can get a cheap second hander and you don't care about warranty, that route is viable.
The immersion that a projector offers surpasses any TV IMO. I have an OLED, which I love, but the projector at my girlfriends parents house has converted me. I'll be buying a BenQ HT2050A soon. Are the blacks as deep? No. Do the colors pop quite as much? No. But the immersion that the big screen offers surpasses the TV easily. I never find myself wishing for anything when watching something on the projector, but I've often wished my TV was bigger. If you're able and willing to make your room dark when watching things, a projector is the way to go. TV's of course still have their place. In a brighter room, or at a closer viewing distance. But if you're trying to get the most out of a movie watching experience, buy a projector. You can't really comment on picture quality unless you've seen this stuff in person, videos will make it look way different.
As someone who has lived with both. Size really does compensate for image quality. The only people I steer toward a TV are those who primarily watch during the day time, don't really watch movies, and spend a large percentage of their screen time (40%+) gaming. All others, would appreciate the benefits of a 100" UST over a 75" television. The new ForMovie UST is amazing for the price.
I was, I always do whenever TVs come up. I've been in a house with a 14' projector and a large OLED. When we invite people to watch movies we always give them a choice after a demo of each. To this day exactly 0% of the people chose the TV. Not only that but the owner of the TV stopped using it.
83" OLED Tvs do exist, and some cheap large TVs too. So some were thinking it. 65" has been around for decades, many have since moved up to 70/75/77/83/85/etc.
@@Thetechchap yeah, I thought that it was a 65 inch TV but was surprised when you told that it was a 77" G1, maybe it was due to the large white space on the top.
For me starting out buying a cheap $60 projector for an all white bedroom was magical, I used it consistently putting live wallpapers up but was annoyed with the shadows from walking around, after buying a used vava 4k it is significantly brighter, shows up during the day and as far as display on my wall is a giant upgrade, it fixed the whole shadow thing and there really is nothing comparable to having a wall being lit up with abstract art especially when people don’t know where it’s coming from! I might have to buy a screen when I go to university but for right now it’s easy to move while I change rooms has been a life saver, the projection paint does help a little bit but ultimately I liked the white paint I used before and changed it back
Wow, the projector game has really come up in the past 10 years. Had this set up first with my home computer windows 7 and bumping image up with crossfired cpu and graphics card ( both AMD) also a tv tuner card. Did this for 5 years. Was just difficult to rearrange the room and then after a bit it required an tv turner card that had to be authorized by cable company. Eventually went to a 55" tv.
This is a pretty high end setup, but I got a BenQ DLP 1080p short throw project for my previous apartment about 10 years ago for about £500 and it was amazing for watching movies, TV shows like Game of Thrones and playing games. I projected directly onto a white wall that had textured wallpaper, so was definitely far from an ideal setup, but it was great. The best thing about the setup for me, as someone who doesn't watch that much TV, and tends to only watch stuff or play games in the evening when it's dark is that there isn't a big shiny black rectangle dominating the room the rest of the time, which in a small room is quite nice, as it could be completely hidden away in a few seconds when not in use. It's also way easier to move a projector around, though you are limited in where you can put it if you don't have a suitable surface to project onto. TVs are better I think, but I just love the giant image for high budget TV shows, movies and some types of games.
I recently switched from a 65in OLED to a 77in OLED , when I moved to a larger house . While obvious looking at it hindsight; the 77in still feels same as 65in because of the larger living room … To think years ago I thought my 42in LCD was a big TV 😆 . We’ve all gotten spoiled by modern Tech
There is no such thing as too big of a screen. I went from a projector to an LG OLED, and I miss the size like crazy, although my screen was 192" or 16 feet. Love the picture quality of the OLED, but thinking about switching back.
picture quality on those tvs are great... but sitting back on your couch you really aren't taking advantage of it as the further back you sit the less quality you are capable of perceiving however that isn't true for projectors, it's largely the opposite and a large screen at 4k from the couch i feel it strikes a much better overall viewing experience you have to get some light control for you projector room though, some block out curtains are a must, even if they sit on top of your current solution... sacrificing the picture quality during the day is a massive downside, you have to do something to mitigate that - for me it was easy as i only have one large window in my lounge room which is closed off by doors
@@thierryfaquet7405 from a seating position of 4m away for a 70" tv you'll need to move the lounge 2 meters forward to get the same screen size if projecting a modest 140" screen
I got my first projector and 120" big screen a few months before covid and the lockdowns...absolute perfect timing for sitting in watching movies plus a renewed interest in gaming. I bought steering wheel/pedals/shifter and car games are superb on the big screen. I started out just stereo...then went 5.1...then went 7.1. I've heard some good 7.1 movies but the best 7.1 I've ever heard was in the computer games on PC...very immersive! I'm only 1080p with my current setup but I think 4k would have to be my next upgrade. Thanks for the video. 🤓
If you can sit close enough a 77" OLED will fill your vision just as well as a 120" projector image. 99% of the time we are max 4 and sit about 2m (6 feet) from our 77" OLED and it beats any projector image. Love the idea of a 150" projector image though but the price of top end projectors makes that out of the question for me.
The calc is diagonal screen size in inches divided by 10 to give seating distance in feet to get 40 degrees field of view. 120" screen means 12 feet back. You can use this to make your phone have the same "screen space" as a 300" cinema screen by taking up 40 degrees of your field of view. That doesn't mean it's the same experience. I thought the same and consulted clients on this principle but found it actually isn't true and I have heard the same from others in the PJ world. I have a CX65 and a 120" screen with an Epson LS12000b, both in light controlled rooms at 40 degrees field of view. Even though the CX is technically better I prefer the PJ. There is a certain appeal that goes beyond specs. To get large format TVs they'll have to design interlocking panels to get in the home and that adds cost and complexity. In the PJ world traditional throw is where the performance is and $5,000 is the entry point for high contrast performance while $25,000 is mid-grade. JVC, Sony, and Epson are the main players. We're seeing a lot of movement in the $3,000-5,000 range with mostly USTs but at those prices the PQ is below TVs. All USTs currently trade PQ for convenience.
I think a projector is ideal for home theater, and the technology in these short throw laser projectors is awesome. But it makes placing a center channel speaker more difficult if you have a surround stereo system because the projector is blocking that spot. It also probably isn't ideal for bright rooms.
@@tinymitoIn general I believe you don't want to mount UST projectors from the ceiling. They're heavier than normal projectors and the ALR screens are only optimized for light coming from below. I believe many USTs don't even have an image-flipping option.
The light from the window really washes out the onscreen image. It would have been interesting to verify how the image improves by dimming the light from the window. Also, the light intensity from the laser seems too average, maybe with more intensity models the washing out effect could be greatly reduced. Maybe it's time for a lego-like modular and huge TV screen to arrive to the market because I'm not quite convinced by the projection TVs.
have sure that over youtube and a camera you have like 50% of the real image quality. Even compared ti shooting a Tv. Projector is very good in person on modern projectors.
I have the classic BenQ HT2050. I paid $699 for it and a 100 inch screen for a total cost of under $1000. That was 7 years ago. The image still impresses me to this day. Granted it's in my light controlled finished basement. Today I would suggest the new BenQ HT2060. It has very good HDR performance, fantastic contrast, 120hz, fast response time and LED light source for $1,000. If you pair it with an ALR screen you could get about the same experience you are getting with that laser projector all for under $1500.
I have never seen a projector so visible in such a bright room, I am converted. I am absolutely doing this since I wont need it for gaming. I just need a big screen and the theatre experience.
Using Front Projectors with screens at least 96” feels much more like watching a movie in a theatre and no regular TV can replicate that. I’ve been using PJs for years now and theres just something about projecting the image in this manner that makes it far better, go ahead see for yourself. No idea if UST projectors work as well but they are very convenient.
UST projectors are a huge step up but they are more costly. But given you are a projector owner, I highly recommend going the UST route. You will not regret it. I've been using projectors since around 2003, and our UST blew our minds. It's also awesome for placement and people can walk through the room, and you can still turn on lamps, etc. It's awesome.
One of the problems with large screens and gaming is you end up doing worse because it's harder to see everything that's happening. You're head/eyes travel less far on a computer screen playing a FPS than a 120" screen. Just something to consider. I also wonder if watching movies has the same effect, IE two characters are talking but due to the large screen you only really see one at a time because of the separation, but the movie was made with the ability to see both's reactions at the same time.
I disagree, eyes sense movement very well and having the thing your looking for be bigger is much easier, plus eyes are also very very fast and the time to look the extra distance is not that big of a deal. But I can’t argue 24 inch monitors are much cheaper 😂
I used 1080p Optoma projectors for over 10 years and I think they offer a much better experience than 1080p LCD TVs and it's not even close. When I decided to upgrade to 4K however I realized there wasn't a single projector within my budget (1500 euros) that came even remotely close to an OLED in terms of overall picture quality, contrast, HDR performance, refresh rate and response times. I would need to spend a lot more to get close and even then you're still making compromises. Going from 120" down to a 55" LG OLEDCX was brutal at first, not gonna lie, but after I rearranged my living room to sit closer to the TV and had some time to get used to it I definitely believe I made the right choice, it looks amazing. I will say this, if you're thinking about getting a projector don't do it unless you have a light controlled room with dark walls. Even an expensive ALR screen like the one Tom used isn't going to fully compensate for light reflecting off surrounding walls, which is quite obvious in this video.
I disagree on that last point. We went with a UST in a well lit room without a screen. We use it around the clock and love it. With both TVs and projectors your going to have the people who suggest dark rooms. That's fine and everyone is right but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't use these things in bright rooms. It's a bit like saying you shouldn't drive your car on anything but a highway because otherwise you get worse gas mileage, more brake usage, it's harder on the battery, transmission, etc.
@@billschannel1116 I think a more proper analogy would be buying a sports car intending to only drive it on dirt roads or during heavy traffic. Nothing's stopping you from doing that, but you're wasting its full potential. If you're fine with a washed out image that's great for you, I wish I was so easily pleased myself, but I stand by what I said. A dark room is imperative to get the most out of a projector.
@@chrys9256 ... And a dark room is better for an OLED.... But these things look awesome at other times too. I think it's closer to my analogy. The implication that I am easily pleased is not correct and demeaning.
@@billschannel1116 A dark room is better for an OLED as well, sure, but unless the TV is directly facing a window with bright sunlight coming through the picture quality is not going to be affected anywhere near as much as a projector image will. I didn't mean for what I said to be demeaning, but you said you're fine with using your projector in a well lit room without a screen, I'm not sure how that implies you have the highest standards. Doesn't that mean you're more easily pleased than someone like me who went through the trouble of painting his entire living room dark grey, added blackout curtains and installed a screen?
Seems like you jumped on the projector train when it was not capable, but modern projectors are and they no longer require pitch black rooms much less all windows covered with blinds. I get an amazing image with windows open and lights on with my projector. You may want to look at the Epson brand or just get a triple laser projector so that all colors are the same brightness instead of only having bright white and the rest of the colors are dim like other projectors do.
For some people it does. You give me the choice on movie night of a 82" C2 or a 14' projector and I'd go with the projector. Now TVs are great, especially for close up action. I use a 55" at arms length as a PC monitor. Looking to upgrade to a 65" QD-OLED. I'd really like larger but that's where that technology currently tops off at. I used a really nice 82" touch screen monitor and it was fantastic but those are really pricey. You used to be able to "roll your own" touchscreen by adding a touch surface to any screen but sadly this is one place where smaller bezzles hurt you as they are made to be secured to the font bezzles.
@@billschannel1116 How big is your room that 83" isn't large enough? OLED is significantly sharper and higher contrast than projectors. Contrast means everything for image quality.
@@dllemm The living room is 12x15 and the family room is 12x14. We mostly live in the living room so that is where we put the projector since it's our preferred device. The OLED TV is in the family room, and the 55" is in the dining room on the computer.
So at 120", how does it compare to those Nreal Air glasses you tried out a while ago? Those are supposed to feel like you have a 130" screen around 3-4 meters in front of you, right? Did it actually feel that way, now that you have something similar in actual physical size to compare it to?
I'm interested in his answer too. What I found out with VR is that it's no where near the same for me because I'm using my close up vision in vr vs far vision with projectors. Its possible that I need to work on dialing vr in more but I find that my eyes go through more work in VR. I do wear glasses and I'm over 50 though.
Great question. In reality nreal doesn’t feel as big/immersive for some reason, but it is portable, a lot easier to setup and way cheaper. It’s a great alternative
@@filipjovanovic8138 Since it's been like 6+ months since I tried my quest 2, I attempted to watch a movie on it after you asked. First, the virtual living room is super cool, I felt like I was there. The movie wasn't immersive though. Not sure if I could change it's presentation in some way. The resolution was so low that I could see pixels easily and my eyes gave me fatigue, so I left after about 30 minutes. Probably from the weight of the headset or my eyes. And of course the quest 2 is cheaper/lower resolution than what you are asking about.
@@billschannel1116 I actually have a Quest 1 and have tried game streaming with it through virtual desktop. The size was cool, but like you said, the picture didn't look very good and the weight made it extremely uncomfortable. The Nreal ones seem to have a much clearer image though, at least according to all reviews, and they'd obviously also be a lot lighter. I think I'll get them
6:36 - The "washed out" look makes it a no go for me personally - I know that its probably not noticeable when its dark but I would hate to only have accurate colors half of the time I'm using the TV or always had to close the blindfolds to use it properly - for me my OLED TV was such an insane game changer in comparison to previous TVs I owned that I will never go back to some form of washed out image with "bright blacks". Even in the Video the difference between the OLED and the Projector is INSANE which shows how good OLED is :D I'd rather pull my seating group closer together In case I had the feeling that my TV was too small or too far away :D
For anyone interested, I have a LG oled c1 85" TV and I recently tried the 100" LG CineBeam projector. The C1 beat it by miles, sure it was slightly smaller but the quality and clarity of the image was unbeatable. I can imagine these projectors are more affordable at bigger scales but honestly if you have 8k or more to fork out on the projector and the screen then you'll most likely be able to afford a decent oled at a slightly bigger price. I returned my CineBeam in the end, it just wasn't what it was hyped out to be, and I feel a lot of reviewers out there aren't clear on its shortcomings
This is actually a great review! A little bit pricey, yea, but I do think its very worth it for a home theater experience but OLED TV is much more cheaper. Projectors might be better than TV but it all depends on your preference and situation. I do hope that they evolve this thing because its actually a cool experience, especially when you have a small apartment, you can save much more space without having a hassle of moving a huge TV around.
No man. This guys video is absolutely awful if it gave you the impression that OLEDs are cheaper. You can set up a 4k projector and entire theater room with 120 inch screen for less than the price of a 65 inch OLED. That's including surround sound system and everything else you might need to set your room up to give you the best picture.
I have a 120" regular projector screen in my studio and it works well enough with my long-throw 1080p projector. I can only imagine how much of an improvement this projector would be, but sadly it is totally out of my price range...
if you want the screen lower and don't want it as high as your ceiling then remove that rack that the projector is on - and just place it on a short plinth or stool and it will actually be far lower because you physically place the Unit closer to the floor - get a smaller rack for all the ancillary stuff you want to connect to the projector
2:30 "You can hang a sheet" actually this would not work at all, especially with ultra low throw where a tiny bump will make a hole and huge deformations. You need a completely flat screen (even a plastered wall creates tiny shadows).
I own a UST projector. I do not have a screen I use a white wall. The room is our living room. It does not have light blocking curtains. Picture looks great, we use it as our only TV full time for TV, Movies, and computer gaming. And mine was $3K probably $2k now.
I got a refurb optima cinemax p2 for 1500 and a CLR screen from ali express for 500. Honestly just as good as your setup in every aspect. I also agree the 50ms lag time kills a lot of gaming (for me mainly fighting games) and I look forward to upgrading next year to a lower lag projector as they come down in price.
@@phillylarkin.s1930 yep it was on sale plus it was a refurb on adaroma. I don't know why that unbelievable, looks like you can find them right now for under 1900 brand new. These are dropping in price rapidly as newer models come out. This isn't a bleeding edge technology anymore.
Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I want to at least switch from TVs to projectors is moving. These short throws seem so much more superior if you need to move. Any tv 55in and bigger just takes so much work to prep for a move so the screen doesn’t crack.
@@skinnypete1322 definitely not a weird reason at all but be judgmental all you want. 1. I have kept the boxes but even if with a 55 inch so you know how much real estate those boxes take. Because ideally you would want to not break them down and keep the inserts that are molded to your tv inside. It’s definitely the safest thing to do but if you live in a small apartment or even a house it takes a lot of space to store those. 2. Now add that you might have 3 or four 55 inch TVs in a full household these days. Yeah no thanks. Also what does it matter how much you move, packing them is a pain, if you don’t have the boxes it’s expensive to get them repacked properly, and large glass screens are just a liability in general. With these short throws you have all your smart features almost just as easily without the liability and inconvenience of a huge glass box.
Great tanks for advice will by the LG one. I am looking for a proyector like this for a small musical production that i want to take to bars and small venues where there is not enough range for a traditional projector. This looks great thanks
I moved to a projector and screen for my main setup years ago and never looked back. Gaming on a projector is ok, it's even good if your room can be made dark enough but a tv will probably still beat it by a bit, especially OLED ones. Just because contrast, brightness and pixel definition make any game more crisp on the backlit screen of a tv. But when you switch to movies or tv content, a projector is absolutely brilliant. Especially in the evening. Cannot be compared. Watching grandiose shows or movies on a 120 inch screen is an experience every time. Now if you have the $$, I'll tell you that a great setup, is gaming on a 4k LG Cx 48" (on a desk, I'm a pc gamer) and watching movies and shows on a 120inch screen and projector. Best of both worlds.
An interesting product because it can change dimensions and seems bright enough to be in a bright room. Wanna watch a movie, set it at 120 inches, want to watch tennis, set it at 60. Actually it would be great if it could more easily change the size. Also the screen has to match the wall color - with changing sizes you don’t want a border, you’d want some reflective transparent material/paint on the wall. This could be the ultimate tv especially if cost drops to 2,000. I might pick it over OLED especially if it supports 3d.
His screen is too high also the ust needs to be on a lower stand the whole point of an alr screen is that light coming from spotlights above is deflected so you can have them but the picture wont be washed out on the alr screen.set up is the problem here no the equipment otherwise picture would be amazing even compared to a oled
Makes me wonder if some of those down sides would be fixed/solved with a better/more expensive projector. My only experience was with a super basic $170 projector that I expanded to it’s limits (roughly 300 inches), projected on an old white wall riddled with nail holes that I painted over with white out, placed on top of a stool on top of a table, using envelopes and books to level the image. So, yeah, your set-up for me would be like going from an Atari 2600 to a PS2 lmao
I've got a lot of experience with projectors over the years, and find that they can't be beat for the movie or event experience (e.g. Formula 1). I never watch "background tv noise". For me, movies are an event and should be treated as such. Anyway, at the moment I'm building a new system for a new house and it will have a drop down electric screen which completely disappears into the ceiling. Thanks for filling the void about the types of material for screen and the possibility of Ultra Short Throw, which I had not previously considered.
My girl and I are debating of getting the new triple laser cinebeam but it is a lot of money so we want to decide if we should do this or just get the new Bravia A95k or 83” A90j… recommendations? Is refresh rate applicable to projectors?
The A95K seems like a fantastic choice, but the largest size is 65". That's bigger than what I even want, but you might want something larger. You might want to look at a Mini-LED TV to get a good HDR experience for less money. As another commenter mentioned, make sure your kids' college funds (if you have kids) and all other necessities are well taken care of before spending money on frivolous things like expensive TVs. And then, if you are in that good position, consider a large charitable donation. If you're still feeling good about buying a fancy TV, I would go with the A95K. My ex-wife's mother blew her college fund on high-end landscaping for her house. It left her in a bad position for college. I cosigned on some of her loans, and now I am carrying some of the responsibility even though we are divorced.
Hey Tom, for movies, if you could sit closer to your 77" TV so the viewing angle would be the same as sitting further from the 120" screen, would the 120" screen still win because of its size, or would the size advantage be completely eliminated by sitting closer to the TV, and the OLED would win because of its better contrast and picture quality? I am currently trying to decide this for my new house. Make the room bigger so I can project a 110" image in it, or make the room a smaller size and have an 85" TV instead. Viewing angles would be about the same for both setups.
IFFFFFF you expect having the Family and friends come over to watch films and sports then go with the Projector and make the room as big as possible. If its only for you then stick to the regular TV.
I can answer on that one. I have a 100 inches lazer Tv for 2 years now. I watch it from a 3.2m distance . Honestly at 3.2 m distance I would say that it’s slightly too big and 90 inches would have been perfect. I’m moving to an other place with windows bang on in front of tv . So going back to a Tv, I will be 3m from Tv maybe 2.9m. So I think a 82 inch tv will do . Projectors feel special due to size but by day they are annoying as fuck. You get washed out everything even with a 1000$ screen like I had. I can’t wait to get my hand on a 2000nits tv.
For me, siting closer is not the same as watching a ust even if you can almost cover the same degree extent of your view, but tv´s are way better for gaming and casual viewing, what I´ve done is have both, I have my Samsung 4k tv for most things, but once a week I fire up my LG ust (not the same model as the one reviewed here, mine is older and more basic) in another room for an spectacular (an event is better described) movie view, greetings from Guadalajara, México (pardon my basic engish)
Sitting at a desk in front of a 27" computer monitor will technically fill your field of vision the equivalent of watching a 120" projector on a couch, but it still can't compare to real-life experience of sitting at a reasonable viewing distance in front of a 65" or larger display.
Its not quite the same - we know when something is big in comparison to ourselves and when its not so this will color your experience. I used to own a projector (of course not nearly as good as this one) and kinda hated it. It was great for movies and thats it. If I just want to watch TV or play a game I dont need an absurdly large screen. I now "only" own a 55inch Oled and I really dont need anything more. Heck, for working and strategy games my PC monitor is the best. I even gave back the ultrawide monitor I purchased during covid since it was too large for my taste. But tldr; if you want to see the lord of the rings or the godfather as good as possible and have no other needs then get the beamer. (Movies that benefit from a large screen more than from the best picture quality) but otherwise go to a store and try out different TVs and how much you can even handle… 77inch Tv is already massive.
I’ve got an 120 inch motorised screen off eBay for £60 and it’s 3D ready. Bought my display model projector from richer sounds and saved about £200. All in I paid around £700 and my cinema room is absolutely boss. I don’t use it that much but when there’s a big game on or a superb film to watch it’s amazing
Projectors are great, Until you’ve experienced OLED, I don’t think I can ever give up the perfect blacks, They wow me anytime a scene or game gets dark, Im willing to wait and shell out big money for a 100” OLED one day, but for now my 83” will do.
Im sorry, I cant stand this OLED crap. I have to yet see a OLED TV that has a good colours or good dynamic contrast ratio. The Projector here is beating the OLED easy, and there is something about the reflected beam that gives you this cinema feeling that no OLED will ever be able to reproduce.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 These are UST, so there's really no beam (except a few inches), but yeah you should check out the new Hisense Laser TV. It's actually a UST projector
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 OLED's absolutely destroy projectors for color accuracy and color volume. And contrast? Are you kidding? I do agree however with the cinematic feel of a projector though. I've been a projector guy for 9 yrs but I now prefer OLED in all measures but size.
In my experience (with FullHD DLP projector) it completely replaced us TV for movies and TV shows. Setup's total cost was about $500 and it just feels so much better to watch movies on 2m diagonal. And eyes say me "thank you" every time after watching. We still have TV on the wall and unrolling projector screen right in front of it. And have to close windows to increase contrast, but damn, the movies look good with it.
Definitely! And nowadays with TV-Shows often being very cinematic too they also benefit greatly from being projected big. No looking back in our household either.
Yeah projectors used to be pretty meh with image quality (at least your standard consumer ones) and were loud and got super hot. This looks much better. That being said - it was fucking tiring watching TV or do casual gaming on a super large screen… Heck for strategy games I still prefer my small PC monitor and at work I downsized from a super wide monitors to two small ones for more concentration and focus.
I have an Optoma laser at 100”. It’s perfect. Great with shades open and spectacular with shades closed. Vizio surround sound sound bar attached to a hdmi switch with audio extractor via toslink. It’s a great setup. Not a gamer but a sports viewer.
How much does it cost to replace the lasers when they go out? Can you pop them out like a projector bulb or do you have to throw the whole thing away and buy a new projector?
Looked washed out during your whole video until you shut the curtains and had a darkened room. Everything looked anemic. Fan noise!! Big white box is not my idea of a nice design. Also quite worried by all that visible dust on the lense in certain shot angles. Great Size but that's really the only positive for me.
Projector image is always washed out in video and pictures so it is not a good way to show / judge it. It looks better in real life and amazing in a blacked out room.
Thing is, as someone who owns both an OLED (LG CX) and a projector (Xgimi Horizon Pro) - neither is particularly much good until you shut the curtains. The OLED performs a bit better, but the second the content is anything less than bright, reflections just kill it (try watching something like The Sandman during the day on an OLED without the curtains shut, for instance), whereas although the projector doesn't give you those gorgeous inky blacks, the very nature of how the image exists means that reflections aren't a problem, so you're not looking at yourself and your couch in the dark, moody scenes, y'know?
@@billschannel1116 "make the screen smaller ". What's the point then?lol This kind of product is suitable for meeting rooms or conference halls. For our everyday uses, OLED tv is still the best option.
@@thescottishaccent The first time I tried my projector with the lamps on in the room I was blown away. My standard projector was completely unusable with all the lamps on but the UST was impressive. And that's with a light rejecting screens. Those things are other worldly. Now, for the best experience, darkness is the way to go for both TV and projectors.
Would be really interesting to see how this compares to the TCL 98C735 => 98" UHD 120Hz for less money. Doesn't quite reach 120", but probably a lot better in many ways. :)
Tv any day all day. For a few reasons. 1. Pixel density 4k 55inch will just be sharper than an 120 inch. 2. Contrast , I bought an oled because i could not stand black not being black. I have not seen a projector do this. 3. I dont have the largest living area so it just looks more classy and clean in my own home. If I had a basement that I could change into a theater / man cave a laser projector would probably be in it because when watching it would always be dark which makes it easier to adjust the screen. And lets face it a projector is just cool :D
Got a used Yaber Y30 projector ($150), painted wall in bedroom with curtains with flat grey from paint rejects home depot $20. Free Chromebook as screen was no longer turning on. $40 projector stand, $30 HDMI and audio cable and cheap bluetooth keyboard mousepad combo. It's awesome for $300! No $7000 quality, but more than enough to google, do email and consume media. Should last for thousands of hours, about 75w consumption for Chromebook and projector if you don't include stereo. Been running for 2 yrs, funny thing is out of the blue this week the Chromebook screen randomly started working again. No one could get it to work, but now it is.
I think Im going to go for one of the cheaper (£3,000) ones with 100' screen. Just more fun! I spend most of my time on my computer and only really use the main TV for films anyway so the 'event' feeling is worth it. The tablet in the kitchen and TV in the bedroom will be enough for just the news etc. Plus the Hisense ones I looked at had a 16ms response rate at 4k so perfectly adequate for gaming for my needs! Cheers for the video!
Nicely presented review. I have the ls500 without a screen as we seldom watch stuff doing day time, and it is bright enough that day time viewings are fine. Don't think a screen is that mandatory. I've tried a few projectors, he P2 and this one amongst them, and this tri laser proejctor still gave me rainbow effects which I'm unfortunately very susceptible to, so its LCD all the way for me.
Even in first 20 seconds I can see that the OLED tv actually had rich contrast and looked appealing, and the projector looks washed out like you’re watching a presentation at work.
@@jargontaka If you watch a movie more than 3 meters away there's no competition, immersion and feeling of a cinema experience is not matched by any TV. Even a 80 inch looks ridiculously small in a big living room. If you sit closer, maybe as a PC entertainment use, of course OLED is great.
@@whitegoodman7465 Different use cases indeed, no matter how good that OLED TV looks, if you are watching from 3 meters or more you can't see shit, unless you have a 100" OLED, I don't want to know how that would cost.
I'm glad you explained that you were filming in a brightly lit room because I wasn't feeling the picture quality. When you showed it in a darker room, then it looked much better. But too rich for my blood.
I've had projectors for years, but despite the advances I must say that they always involve compromises. For about the same price you can get an 83" wall-flush LG OLED TV, which is plenty big, and has no tech compromises for HDR or gaming. I will note one advantage for SOME projectors: it's the only way to get new tech with stereoscopic 3D at home. TVs have abandoned 3D, but SOME projectors still support it.
I used projector only from 2009- 2013. Besides the fact that that particular setup required me to have blackout curtains only, I loved it when I was living in my bachelor pad.
for ust projectors, ust screens are almost mandatory, because the surface is optimized for that source of light. standard screens are meant for perpendicular light sources, while ust screens are designed to block all sources but the ones that are coming from below
I have a beamer (1080p) for about 15 years, if you have a white wall, you don't need a screen to project on. I bought a beamer back in the day because why spend a lot of money on a 'big' tv (about 1-1,5 meter), why you can have a bigger screen (2,6 meters in my case) for about the same money.
My 5 cents: Don't try to replace your TV, but hey I never watch TV, I just watch F1 and some music video's, for that it is great if you can darken the room a bit. But once all is in the right spot noting can beat the lazer projector, I just love it!
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My experiences is: the wow factor is there for the "first time", but after minutes/hours you realize that TV is better in every aspect except in size.
After years of living in a house with a large (for a TV) modern OLED and modern projectors I can tell you that everyone in the house as well as visitors prefer the projector. That includes the owner of the TV.
@@billschannel1116 Sure they did🤦🏿♀
@@billschannel1116 totally relatable up to a certain point. When people see the 100 inch 4k screen they say wow. 'That's amazing', specially with animated movies. I don't speak my mind to tell them otherwise, I know that I really prefer the OLED for gaming and watching dark scenes. There's no comparison... Last season of Stranger Things I skipped the project and the same goes for the next Game of thrones. Greetings
@@billschannel1116 at least with my 1080p projector, my LED TV is significantly sharper. Is this not the case with 4k projectors? Are they equally sharp? Also reducing contrast once you're used to OLED is super difficult. It's next generation contrast.
Agreed
Clicked the product link, and I must admit, that has been the quickest time I've closed a tab after seeing its price. But it's definitely gorgeous though.
How much? it is unavailable. Watched more fuck me closed the video.
it's really NOT gorgeous. the color looks blown out and faded. switch between the tv and the projector and note the difference in quality.
@@chrishayes5755projector's quality = how dark is the room. You can see his room is kinda bright, if you close all the light source I believe it will be amazing
@@chrishayes5755not in person. Camera makes it look moren washed out than it is. In a dim lit room if can actually look way better than a TV if you have the right backing material, but can look worse in a bright room
I've had a 120" projector setup since 2009. Pro tips: make sure the screen's center is parallel to eye view from the couch, and 9'-12' is the optimal viewing distance. Black diamond screens make the image pop, even if you take the screen out in the sun, it will still look like you're looking at a regular TV. The black diamond also drastically increases contrast. Lastly, Epson makes the best projectors, at a competitive price, and has the capability to convert ALL 2D content into 3D.
Oled over projector all day . projector screens and dull and dark
@@phillylarkin.s1930 you obviously have never had one. Mine is super bright, and doesn't wash out in light because of the type of screen I have. OLED is overrated, in my opinion, and projectors have no worries of burn-in.
@@phillylarkin.s1930 P.S. you can't watch football, or any content, in 3D on an OLED.😛
@@thedayofquicksilver6930 I have my projector in the brightest room of the house (The living room) with no screen and it's usually in use during all of the daytime hours and a good portion of the night as well. If you time it right, there's even a time when sun directly hits the picture. My picture isn't dull nor dark.
@The Day of QuickSilver What is your whole projector setup? I'd like to try it
I have the projector. Not into gaming, but for movies it is awesome. You can get special paint for a screen. The nice thing is that when you're not watching, it is just a blank wall instead of an eyesore. Getting good sound is key to the experience.
how about energy consuming?
Bose
As someone who lives in a pretty small apartment (and does not care too much about the finer details of the image), the projector absolutely wins out because it can provide an extra large screen without taking up so much space or requiring much setup. I bought the Anker Nebula Capusle II, a 720p projector for 600 USD a year ago and I've really enjoyed using it for both watching films and playing cinematic games that don't require split-second precision (like Red Dead Redemption or Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice). The projector is just the size of a beer can too (it's even shaped like one), and while it isn't a short-throw I can still get a huge image within a 2-meter range. Since I just project it directly on my wall with the blinds closed, the only extra gear I need are a couple of books to prop it up on my desk.
So if you were to imagine using the nebula in a 440 square foot garage with 0 light would it be recommended
How can it be ? Current display are paper thin and certainly do not take up the same much bigger footprint 🤔
If you live in such a small apartment, you can hardly afford to spend $7,000 on that 😅
This is pure cope. Any 720p projector in a room that is not dedicated to keeping out all light, with the seating probably being too close if it covered most of a wall would've looked like absolute dogshit. You made the choice to spend your money on a projector instead of a TV, live with it, but don't convince yourself you made the perfect decision.
This is good if you have a job which offers regular transfers. Moving a TV is always a hassle. It may break sometimes. Great option when you move too much.
Also, before she died recently, my mom and I spent a lot of time in hospital rooms or the hotel rooms connected to the hospital. She had macular degeneration and taking the projector was awesome. Can you imagine the difference between a terrible hotel/hospital TV and a high quality ultra short throw? Especially for someone with terrible eye sight? Like you said, they are really great for moving around. We've even done outdoor stuff for kids.
I recently changed from a 43" TV to a 100" projector. In games its just okay due to contrast in the day (I have a very sunny living room), but movies look exceptional at night! I am a contect consumer with casual gaming and I am 100% satisfied with the change. Hope you like it for future as well.
Immersion is incredible on a projector. When I race or fly it feels great. And strategy war games will make you feel like your cheating and yearning for 8k. 😀
samsung makes 98 inch tv no need to sacrifice picture quality
@@raulitrump460 For me. I prefer larger than 100" pictures. And depending on what projector technology you go with vs what TV technology you go with the cost of the projector might be more or might be less.
Blackout curtains for the day
@@Optimus514 that depends of how large is the place you’re installing it. 140” you’ll need at least 4 meters from the screen… most of Uk homes doesn’t have such large spaces unfortunately…
Love my projector with 120” screen got it right after the pandemic hit and it’s been a life changing experience. I sit about 10 feet from it and the center point of the screen is almost at my eye level. The immersion is just unreal watching movies and tv shows. Don’t need to go to the movies anymore.
My next upgrade will probably be something triple laser UST with 150” ALR PET Crystal screen. Thx for showing us this setup. 👍
I enjoyed going to the theater UNTIL I got a projector. Now when I go the seats are less comfortable, the screen is smaller (in ratio), and the food is worse. And of course the cost. The COVID is the cherry on top of the theater experience.
You should check out the Formovie Theater. Supposedly the best UST especially for 3k
@@justinbeamon6624 I saw that review on projector website I’ll need to check it out in person. Thanks!
@@billschannel1116 haha I only go to cinema now for comedy and horror movies as it is still fun to laugh and scream with 100s of other people! Blockbusters, well that's what my home theatre is for!
If I sit from a distance of about 3 meters (almost 3 ft) would I be able to watch the full picture without moving the eyes? thinking about switching to the hisense px1 pro but the room where I want to instll it isnt so big.Thanks for your help.
I have an Ultra Short Throw. We use it a few times a month and like it but prefer a regular TV 80-90% of the time. It’s great for big sporting events, movies with surround sound and watching music videos at night, but it’s more gimmick than something I’d want to watch daily. It’s a nice luxury to have though but would not recommend it for your main living area.
Contrast is very important to me. Hard to step away from that once you get an OLED. Mini LED TVs are also good options.
In 2018 I added a retractable 100 inch screen with a budget 1080p projector to my living room setup, which at the time had a 55 inch Panasonic VT65 plasma TV. I found myself hardly ever using the TV except for simple TV shows and was all in on the projector for gaming and movies even though the TV had significantly better image quality.
Four years later I've upgraded the TV to a 65 inch LG C1 OLED, but that still doesn't get much use for gaming or movies because the 106 inch screen (largest that fits the room, and I'm sat pretty close) and Optoma UHD42 4K projector that replaced my first projector and screen are just gorgeous. Yes the OLED has better picture quality but the projector still looks amazing and the size difference can't be ignored. Love the TV but the projector is the first choice for just about everything. My projector setup was also much cheaper than the UST options and indeed the OLED - £1,200 for the projector, £250 for the screen, £50 for a long fibre optic HDMI cable, and about £25 for a ceiling mount.
(For something of a best of both worlds, I have a 48 inch C1 in my office for up close PC gaming that fills even more of my field of vision than the projector does in the living room, but it's not quite the same as reclining on the sofa and still having a huge screen. Also not really suited to watching movies with others!)
Certain individuals in the comment section have been doubting me when I say that my family, my friends, and I always chose the projector when given a choice.
I don't care what people chose, I just don't want people turned away due to inaccuracies like projectors need darkness, etc.
I'm thinking about a QD oled for the computer but to be honest I wish they came in greater than 65" screens.
Is it all about the field of vision? E.g. one room with 110" projection screen where you sit a bit further from the screen, vs another room which is a bit smaller and you sit a bit closer to an 83" OLED so that the viewing angle is exactly the same. Would the projector setup still be better? (assuming only 1-2 people would be watching, so room size wouldn't be an issue)
@@thcyprus i know your changing your distance but its worth noting that there's a lot of size difference between 82 and 110. The 110 is going to have 80% more area. But anyways while my projectors have always been much larger than my TVs, I do have experience using a 48 and 55 inch tvs point blank with just me. It feels different to me but I enjoy both situations. If your eyes are normal you can do a poor man's test by using your phone vs your TV. I can't really do that because my eye muscles treat far vs close different. Which is a shame because it hampers my VR usage. But if it feels the same to you than perhaps the TV vs projector would too.
And it's worth noting that after you get a projector you might start wanting even larger screens. Literally my number 1 ask to my realtor was I wanted a large blank wall. He never did understand until I found a place where I could do a 14 foot picture. Now that was back before ultra short throws. Now it's both easier and harder to do large screens. Easier in that throw distance is inches not feet but harder because you can't start your vertical height at the baseboard with a ust. At least not right side up.
@@billschannel1116 Thanks. A question: as you get bigger screens do you increase your viewing angle, or you sit further back to maintain the same viewing angle?
Great overview. The TLDR is if you care foremost about screen size, get a projector. But if image quality is your chief priority, then you shouldn't be looking at a projector anyway, unless $ is no object and you can spring for the best of the best. To achieve IQ approaching that of LG's flagship OLEDs, you'd need to spend between $30-50k on a top-flight projector. And even then, the black levels still won't be absolute black in order to achieve the (theoretically) infinite CR of the best OLEDs, and the response time (even with Game Mode active) will be higher than that of the best OLEDs. The average Joe may not be able to discern meaningful differences between the two display types, and ultimately may be over-wowed by the sheer size advantage of a front projection system, but if you're all about picture quality, the latest and greatest OLEDs offer the best bang for the buck as of 2022.
And then there is the fact that TVs just keep getting bigger. 97-inch OLEDs are just around the corner.
I won’t say how much I spent but I did spend quite a bit on a triple laser Samsung 4k HDR, with all the bells and whistles for screen speaker etc. it still does not compete with any of the top OLED tv. Still has that “washed out” look. For cinema/theater experience , then yes projector is the way to go. Casual news/cartoon/gaming, just get a TV for the same amount of money, you’ll be a lot happier. Agree with OP
@@medavid16 Right, and impressions are often shaped by what you had before. Reducing contrast once your eyes are used to OLED e.g. can be a difficult transition.
@@medavid16 *"Still has that “washed out” look."*
I hope you're not viewing it in a lighted environment... I own CRTs and an LG OLED, and am very particular about image quality, but I would never describe my old W1070 as having a "washed out" look.
Relatively, the constrast ratio and black level don't compete with CRT or OLED, but personally I would reserve the term 'washed out' to refer to an image that appears that way on its own merit, rather than just relative to another display.
I am fine with the 77” oled.
I bought a projector Xgimi Horizon Pro (120") 4 months ago where I have my 3060ti connected to it and I love it. It's not the best in the daytime, but for me, it's more than usable, at night though it's an insane experience. It almost feels like having a cinema at home.
Why in the world aren't you guys buying blackout cloth? Blackout cloth is white---you can either seal off a window and rely on interior lights, or use a roller so that you can pull it down over the window, and then keep it tight against the wall with magnets to minimize light seepage.
I got tired of having to wait until nighttime in order to play immersive games or watch movies. This should be done in any room used for movies or immersive gaming that has a window(s), whether one is using projection or a direct-view display.
I truly appreciate reviews like this. Honest reviews.
Another great thing with a projector/screen is that it can be very discrete. My screen is completely hidden behind a ceiling wood beam and it only rolls down when I turn the projector on. Even the projector isn't that visible between the beams. That means you don't have a huge ass tv looming over your living room constantly when maybe you actually only use it in the evening. Makes for a clean look.
That's the best aspect for this as opposed to a big ass tv. One thing I do think is that there should be some kind of a ultrasound dust protection as the lens is going to be clogged up with dust in two days tops. You can even see the dust there already in the video. Anyway, this device is totally not consumer ready which the price tag explains perfectly but, just like the ultra high end VR headsets that show life-like image, this will trickle down to affordable just like all consumer electronics usually does. And the best part is that it will be even better than it is right now.
@@whatsupbudbud all true. I never noticed any impact from dust though. I'll clean my lense just to check
@@whatsupbudbud I've had an ultra short throw projector in a dusty room for about 14 months. It doesn't impact image quality. It's on the floor and in the path of dust coming from a vent.
It's extremely sturdy and not something I worry about at all. We have a toddler who does everything around it while it's on. The screen turns down the moment something moves near it's beams. I haven't been able to have it hit my eyes and I've tried. The only part I worry about is the head of the HDMI cable plugged into the projector. I wouldn't want the kid to step on that but it's not a natural thing for them to do, and I don't worry about it. I only use one hdmi port anyways. The toddler LOVES the projector. She likes how she can walk right up to the wall and touch the picture. (We do not use a screen)
I think a tv adds to a room. Like a piece of furniture almost
My home theater projects right on the wall. No screen to fuss with. I'm sure some purists would take issue, but with the lights out for movies, all you see is the image. I think it looks great.
Also, given the density of the light, any microscopic dust grain on the lense will shine. That doesn't mean it affects the image.
And if you go through the trouble of mounting it to ceiling it is even better. It takes no more room than flat screen TV.
But the benefit a projector has over flat screen is : space or more accurately the lack of space it requires. With motorized roll up screen you can have the screen appear out of thin air to front of the window and disappear when you do not need it.
But roll up screen absolutely suck with UST projectors. UST is really, really picky for the screen surface. Even tensioned screen will have waves and ripples in the screen pretty soon. And those are REALLY horrible for UST. And with laser it it so bight that you need grey low gain surface.
Also the thing about Laser projectors they do never mention is that with the advertised 4 times longer "lamp" life than normal lamp projectors is not the life of lamp which in normal projector you can replace with few hundred dollar replacement lamp making the projector as good as brand new. In laser projector the "lamp" life is the life of the whole projector.
You buy $25000 Laser projector which you get to throw away in 4 years once the laser dims in heavy daily use. As where lamp projector is running still running great after 30 years (like mine was) you just replace the lamp when ever you feel the image gets too dim.
Have had a 1080p projector for over a decade. Still love it. Best setup imho is 65-85" thin TV close to wall and a motor projector screen in ceiling. Push a button and it lowers in front of tv when you want the big screen at night/movie. If your trusses are parallel to your wall. Otherwise mount to ceiling.
I have the exact same setup. Best of both worlds.
Hope they keep refining and making these better. I’d love to get one one day however the response time and HDR/lack of Dolby Vision related issues need to be ironed out first. Going from OLEDs perfect blacks is something really hard to go back on.
the black level looks terrible...
@@GamezGuru1 it's a projector, the screen reflecting the daylight itself giving you the idea of black lv is terrible. Not to mention he put extra lights in the room for video shoot along with the fact they just don't have a great viewing angle when there are other light sources in the room.
But that's how it is with them, you play in a room with control lights or dark room.
@@Optimus514 *"Anyone who buys a projector and watches it with the lights on, let alone the blinds open during the day, is being silly and wasting their money."*
This kind of fact needs to be disseminated. The media (who generally work for the industry) certainly isn't doing a good job of it.
Though front projection suffers the worst, watching _any_ display in a lighted environment is silly if one cares about immersion. As ambient light increases, our pupils constrict, which limits our ability to perceive shadow details, reduces contrast ratio, and destroys the ability to perceive one of the main reasons for buying an OLED: True blacks.
@@bricaaron3978 Even watching an OLED in a well lit room during the day isn’t much fun. Dark room is best no matter what.
@@frangipani-dreams That's right. Like I said, watching any display in a lighted environment is bad for image quality and immersion. Especially CRT or OLED, because you won't even be able to distinguish the difference between the black level of an LCD due to pupil constriction.
I paid $1000 an Epson projector, if you can afford a high end projector, great, but most can't. The cheaper projectors can give you the same quality picture. The nice thing about this projector, you can put it close to the wall. You don't need to spend that much for the same quality/experience.
Its sweet. I have had a 120" wide projector setup since 2000 (yes, really). I changed out projectors once since then, still waiting on the 4k projectors. The ceiling mount is not a big deal if you know how, and if people are standing in the projector beam, they are usually blocking the screen as well. The daylight viewing got much better with the second generation projector, but (as you say), its much better with the curtains drawn, and I have done a lot to shut out light in that room (entry doors, blackout curtains, etc).
I'm waiting for a true LCD solution for 4k, perhaps in vain! They are out there, but the cost is in low earth orbit.
Optically, this appears to be an amazing engineering feat.
I think there may be a lot to be done on the screen side, maybe playing with light polarity, to mitigate this issue with ambient lighting. The projection angle is so strong that very little ambient light comes from that angle. This could be leveraged in a smart way.
The ALR screen he talked about does exactly that.
Very good question. Now the optical engineering has been upgraded. For example: T prism technology, 93% of the real ambient light suppresses the screen.
had the Samsung USTP and sold it after a year, did not like it.
I think it's a great idea but the graphics look like it using last gen console with a chalky screen
Just switched this year from my 42" Plasma TV, which had an awesome picture, to a UST projector with a $1500 VividStorm screen. Yes, I lost the beautiful picture of the Plasma, but I love the immersiveness of the 120" screen. I'm floored with how bright my room can be.
"The screen is just as important as the projector". Couldn't agree more.
You were spot on when you said everything feels like an event. I loved my old LG 1080p projector until it died. I might get another one, just not this expensive.
How long can I expect one to last?
@@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori Usually, you can simply look for the lifespan of the projector or its light source in the specifications section before making a purchase.
@@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori Laser models generally have a life expectancy of 20,000 to 30,000 hours. Mind you that's almost 7 years on the low end if you have it on for 8 hours a day, every single day. By then you're probably looking at 8K or some new fancy HDR option anyway.
I certainly prefer movies on a projected image, and not because of the size. Our eyes see the world through reflected light and I feel projected images feel more organic over tv’s, which are essentially like staring at a light source. I’m not so fussed about all the technicalities, because the way it ‘feels’ to me is more important than how it technically looks.
very true and i think it protects your eyes in the long run
I game on a 175” screen…and yes TV has more backlight and it’s awesome…but you can’t ignore the level of immersion when gaming on a screen that’s floor to ceiling and wall to wall. It’s full immersion with your peripheral vision. It’s a addicting and so much fun.
Impressed by how short the throw is. I would have gone bigger. My 1080p projector is almost floor to ceiling: its great. An added "bonus" is we are using it in the day
Doesn't that look bad? Aren't your pixels like 2 cm?
You have convinced me that I can't afford neither...
What I did is bought a roller stand for my 55 incher, and put it right in front of me, and it feels like a 120 incher
That's awesome. For years I used two displays with my computer. One was a standard projector with a 14' screen that I was about 8 feet away from and at the same time I used a 55" TV at Arms length. Now when I use anything else I find myself squinting. 🙂
At a physical rehab place I used an 82" touchscreen on a really cool looking rolling stand. It was awesome. I definitely would like to pick up one of those. I'm currently looking at a 65" QD-OLED for an arms length PC monitor. I would go bigger but that's where they top off at.
smart!
Yes, actually. Tou 1000% did the eight thing here. I did the same with my old Samsung 55" 4K JS9000 UHDTV but used an actual TV stand that had wheels on it. TV screen images are supposed to occupy as much of your FOV (field of vision) as possible yet everyone keeps making the same mistake and putting their TVs way too far back. I have since gone projector myself and donated my TV to a friend's needy family as they have 4 kids. They are all very happy now. 😊
Look at the used market. I got a 120" ALR screen and 4k UST for 1200 euros. The price of the setup I have now would by slighty above 5k when it was new. I don't see the difference between a used one and a new one.
Maybe the difference is in the life left, I recently had my 55 incher break on me, one of the backlight zone is dead, and to fix it is more expensive than buying a new one. But if you can get a cheap second hander and you don't care about warranty, that route is viable.
The immersion that a projector offers surpasses any TV IMO. I have an OLED, which I love, but the projector at my girlfriends parents house has converted me. I'll be buying a BenQ HT2050A soon.
Are the blacks as deep? No. Do the colors pop quite as much? No. But the immersion that the big screen offers surpasses the TV easily. I never find myself wishing for anything when watching something on the projector, but I've often wished my TV was bigger.
If you're able and willing to make your room dark when watching things, a projector is the way to go.
TV's of course still have their place. In a brighter room, or at a closer viewing distance. But if you're trying to get the most out of a movie watching experience, buy a projector.
You can't really comment on picture quality unless you've seen this stuff in person, videos will make it look way different.
As someone who has lived with both. Size really does compensate for image quality. The only people I steer toward a TV are those who primarily watch during the day time, don't really watch movies, and spend a large percentage of their screen time (40%+) gaming. All others, would appreciate the benefits of a 100" UST over a 75" television. The new ForMovie UST is amazing for the price.
Welp I'm sold. Every reviewer keeps talking how good for movie is
0:49 Comparing Color and Contrast of the OLED TV and the Laser Projector
“77 inches, i know what you’re thinking, it’s too small”
No one was thinking about that 😅
I was, I always do whenever TVs come up. I've been in a house with a 14' projector and a large OLED. When we invite people to watch movies we always give them a choice after a demo of each. To this day exactly 0% of the people chose the TV. Not only that but the owner of the TV stopped using it.
83" OLED Tvs do exist, and some cheap large TVs too. So some were thinking it. 65" has been around for decades, many have since moved up to 70/75/77/83/85/etc.
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@@Thetechchap yeah, I thought that it was a 65 inch TV but was surprised when you told that it was a 77" G1, maybe it was due to the large white space on the top.
That’s not a 77”
For me starting out buying a cheap $60 projector for an all white bedroom was magical, I used it consistently putting live wallpapers up but was annoyed with the shadows from walking around, after buying a used vava 4k it is significantly brighter, shows up during the day and as far as display on my wall is a giant upgrade, it fixed the whole shadow thing and there really is nothing comparable to having a wall being lit up with abstract art especially when people don’t know where it’s coming from! I might have to buy a screen when I go to university but for right now it’s easy to move while I change rooms has been a life saver, the projection paint does help a little bit but ultimately I liked the white paint I used before and changed it back
Wow, the projector game has really come up in the past 10 years. Had this set up first with my home computer windows 7 and bumping image up with crossfired cpu and graphics card ( both AMD) also a tv tuner card. Did this for 5 years. Was just difficult to rearrange the room and then after a bit it required an tv turner card that had to be authorized by cable company. Eventually went to a 55" tv.
This is a pretty high end setup, but I got a BenQ DLP 1080p short throw project for my previous apartment about 10 years ago for about £500 and it was amazing for watching movies, TV shows like Game of Thrones and playing games. I projected directly onto a white wall that had textured wallpaper, so was definitely far from an ideal setup, but it was great.
The best thing about the setup for me, as someone who doesn't watch that much TV, and tends to only watch stuff or play games in the evening when it's dark is that there isn't a big shiny black rectangle dominating the room the rest of the time, which in a small room is quite nice, as it could be completely hidden away in a few seconds when not in use. It's also way easier to move a projector around, though you are limited in where you can put it if you don't have a suitable surface to project onto.
TVs are better I think, but I just love the giant image for high budget TV shows, movies and some types of games.
I recently switched from a 65in OLED to a 77in OLED , when I moved to a larger house . While obvious looking at it hindsight; the 77in still feels same as 65in because of the larger living room … To think years ago I thought my 42in LCD was a big TV 😆 . We’ve all gotten spoiled by modern Tech
Close the gap and sit closer my friend
150" projector screen will make everything feel small
I wanted the LG 65" C1 until I saw the 75/77" TV's beside it.
There is no such thing as too big of a screen. I went from a projector to an LG OLED, and I miss the size like crazy, although my screen was 192" or 16 feet. Love the picture quality of the OLED, but thinking about switching back.
picture quality on those tvs are great... but sitting back on your couch you really aren't taking advantage of it as the further back you sit the less quality you are capable of perceiving
however that isn't true for projectors, it's largely the opposite and a large screen at 4k from the couch i feel it strikes a much better overall viewing experience
you have to get some light control for you projector room though, some block out curtains are a must, even if they sit on top of your current solution... sacrificing the picture quality during the day is a massive downside, you have to do something to mitigate that - for me it was easy as i only have one large window in my lounge room which is closed off by doors
@@elduderino7767 you know you can just... move the couch closer. Free tip on you.
@@thierryfaquet7405 using the lounge room entertainment display as a personal monitor isn't going to work for 99% of people
@@elduderino7767 who said anything about that ?
Just push the couch a few feet/cm...
@@thierryfaquet7405 from a seating position of 4m away for a 70" tv you'll need to move the lounge 2 meters forward to get the same screen size if projecting a modest 140" screen
I just always feel that projectors deliver more of a natural experience, even though they might not be as good as the tvs on paper.
I get you
For sure! TV's look digital in comparison even with all the over the top effects turned off and viewed in ISF mode.
I got my first projector and 120" big screen a few months before covid and the lockdowns...absolute perfect timing for sitting in watching movies plus a renewed interest in gaming. I bought steering wheel/pedals/shifter and car games are superb on the big screen. I started out just stereo...then went 5.1...then went 7.1. I've heard some good 7.1 movies but the best 7.1 I've ever heard was in the computer games on PC...very immersive! I'm only 1080p with my current setup but I think 4k would have to be my next upgrade. Thanks for the video. 🤓
TIMESPLITTERS! I love it.
If you can sit close enough a 77" OLED will fill your vision just as well as a 120" projector image. 99% of the time we are max 4 and sit about 2m (6 feet) from our 77" OLED and it beats any projector image. Love the idea of a 150" projector image though but the price of top end projectors makes that out of the question for me.
The calc is diagonal screen size in inches divided by 10 to give seating distance in feet to get 40 degrees field of view. 120" screen means 12 feet back. You can use this to make your phone have the same "screen space" as a 300" cinema screen by taking up 40 degrees of your field of view. That doesn't mean it's the same experience.
I thought the same and consulted clients on this principle but found it actually isn't true and I have heard the same from others in the PJ world. I have a CX65 and a 120" screen with an Epson LS12000b, both in light controlled rooms at 40 degrees field of view. Even though the CX is technically better I prefer the PJ. There is a certain appeal that goes beyond specs. To get large format TVs they'll have to design interlocking panels to get in the home and that adds cost and complexity. In the PJ world traditional throw is where the performance is and $5,000 is the entry point for high contrast performance while $25,000 is mid-grade. JVC, Sony, and Epson are the main players. We're seeing a lot of movement in the $3,000-5,000 range with mostly USTs but at those prices the PQ is below TVs. All USTs currently trade PQ for convenience.
I think a projector is ideal for home theater, and the technology in these short throw laser projectors is awesome. But it makes placing a center channel speaker more difficult if you have a surround stereo system because the projector is blocking that spot. It also probably isn't ideal for bright rooms.
@@tinymitoIn general I believe you don't want to mount UST projectors from the ceiling. They're heavier than normal projectors and the ALR screens are only optimized for light coming from below. I believe many USTs don't even have an image-flipping option.
Put the center speaker on top of it
The light from the window really washes out the onscreen image. It would have been interesting to verify how the image improves by dimming the light from the window. Also, the light intensity from the laser seems too average, maybe with more intensity models the washing out effect could be greatly reduced. Maybe it's time for a lego-like modular and huge TV screen to arrive to the market because I'm not quite convinced by the projection TVs.
have sure that over youtube and a camera you have like 50% of the real image quality. Even compared ti shooting a Tv. Projector is very good in person on modern projectors.
I have the classic BenQ HT2050. I paid $699 for it and a 100 inch screen for a total cost of under $1000. That was 7 years ago. The image still impresses me to this day. Granted it's in my light controlled finished basement. Today I would suggest the new BenQ HT2060. It has very good HDR performance, fantastic contrast, 120hz, fast response time and LED light source for $1,000. If you pair it with an ALR screen you could get about the same experience you are getting with that laser projector all for under $1500.
I have never seen a projector so visible in such a bright room, I am converted. I am absolutely doing this since I wont need it for gaming. I just need a big screen and the theatre experience.
Using Front Projectors with screens at least 96” feels much more like watching a movie in a theatre and no regular TV can replicate that. I’ve been using PJs for years now and theres just something about projecting the image in this manner that makes it far better, go ahead see for yourself. No idea if UST projectors work as well but they are very convenient.
UST projectors are a huge step up but they are more costly. But given you are a projector owner, I highly recommend going the UST route. You will not regret it. I've been using projectors since around 2003, and our UST blew our minds. It's also awesome for placement and people can walk through the room, and you can still turn on lamps, etc. It's awesome.
@@billschannel1116 thanks for the info, I was all set to buy a UST for new home but I’m gonna have to wait now 😞
One of the problems with large screens and gaming is you end up doing worse because it's harder to see everything that's happening. You're head/eyes travel less far on a computer screen playing a FPS than a 120" screen. Just something to consider. I also wonder if watching movies has the same effect, IE two characters are talking but due to the large screen you only really see one at a time because of the separation, but the movie was made with the ability to see both's reactions at the same time.
I disagree, eyes sense movement very well and having the thing your looking for be bigger is much easier, plus eyes are also very very fast and the time to look the extra distance is not that big of a deal. But I can’t argue 24 inch monitors are much cheaper 😂
I used 1080p Optoma projectors for over 10 years and I think they offer a much better experience than 1080p LCD TVs and it's not even close. When I decided to upgrade to 4K however I realized there wasn't a single projector within my budget (1500 euros) that came even remotely close to an OLED in terms of overall picture quality, contrast, HDR performance, refresh rate and response times. I would need to spend a lot more to get close and even then you're still making compromises. Going from 120" down to a 55" LG OLEDCX was brutal at first, not gonna lie, but after I rearranged my living room to sit closer to the TV and had some time to get used to it I definitely believe I made the right choice, it looks amazing.
I will say this, if you're thinking about getting a projector don't do it unless you have a light controlled room with dark walls. Even an expensive ALR screen like the one Tom used isn't going to fully compensate for light reflecting off surrounding walls, which is quite obvious in this video.
I disagree on that last point. We went with a UST in a well lit room without a screen. We use it around the clock and love it. With both TVs and projectors your going to have the people who suggest dark rooms. That's fine and everyone is right but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't use these things in bright rooms. It's a bit like saying you shouldn't drive your car on anything but a highway because otherwise you get worse gas mileage, more brake usage, it's harder on the battery, transmission, etc.
@@billschannel1116 I think a more proper analogy would be buying a sports car intending to only drive it on dirt roads or during heavy traffic. Nothing's stopping you from doing that, but you're wasting its full potential. If you're fine with a washed out image that's great for you, I wish I was so easily pleased myself, but I stand by what I said. A dark room is imperative to get the most out of a projector.
@@chrys9256 ... And a dark room is better for an OLED.... But these things look awesome at other times too. I think it's closer to my analogy. The implication that I am easily pleased is not correct and demeaning.
@@billschannel1116 A dark room is better for an OLED as well, sure, but unless the TV is directly facing a window with bright sunlight coming through the picture quality is not going to be affected anywhere near as much as a projector image will.
I didn't mean for what I said to be demeaning, but you said you're fine with using your projector in a well lit room without a screen, I'm not sure how that implies you have the highest standards. Doesn't that mean you're more easily pleased than someone like me who went through the trouble of painting his entire living room dark grey, added blackout curtains and installed a screen?
Seems like you jumped on the projector train when it was not capable, but modern projectors are and they no longer require pitch black rooms much less all windows covered with blinds. I get an amazing image with windows open and lights on with my projector. You may want to look at the Epson brand or just get a triple laser projector so that all colors are the same brightness instead of only having bright white and the rest of the colors are dim like other projectors do.
How often do you need to dust it off? .. and how much electricity does it use compared to the TV? Do you still live at home with your parents ..?
Whats the Game at minute 1:23 ?!? I remember Play IT but idk anymore the Name??
Projector still doesn't beat TV. It's got its own place anyway. Great review as always Tom👍
For some people it does. You give me the choice on movie night of a 82" C2 or a 14' projector and I'd go with the projector. Now TVs are great, especially for close up action. I use a 55" at arms length as a PC monitor. Looking to upgrade to a 65" QD-OLED. I'd really like larger but that's where that technology currently tops off at. I used a really nice 82" touch screen monitor and it was fantastic but those are really pricey. You used to be able to "roll your own" touchscreen by adding a touch surface to any screen but sadly this is one place where smaller bezzles hurt you as they are made to be secured to the font bezzles.
@@billschannel1116 How big is your room that 83" isn't large enough? OLED is significantly sharper and higher contrast than projectors. Contrast means everything for image quality.
@@dllemm The living room is 12x15 and the family room is 12x14. We mostly live in the living room so that is where we put the projector since it's our preferred device. The OLED TV is in the family room, and the 55" is in the dining room on the computer.
@@dllemm 83" is peanuts once you're used to 130"
@@billschannel1116 55 inch at arms length, id go fckn blind.
So at 120", how does it compare to those Nreal Air glasses you tried out a while ago? Those are supposed to feel like you have a 130" screen around 3-4 meters in front of you, right? Did it actually feel that way, now that you have something similar in actual physical size to compare it to?
I'm interested in his answer too. What I found out with VR is that it's no where near the same for me because I'm using my close up vision in vr vs far vision with projectors. Its possible that I need to work on dialing vr in more but I find that my eyes go through more work in VR. I do wear glasses and I'm over 50 though.
Great question. In reality nreal doesn’t feel as big/immersive for some reason, but it is portable, a lot easier to setup and way cheaper. It’s a great alternative
@@Thetechchap Got it, thanks for replying!
@@filipjovanovic8138 Since it's been like 6+ months since I tried my quest 2, I attempted to watch a movie on it after you asked. First, the virtual living room is super cool, I felt like I was there. The movie wasn't immersive though. Not sure if I could change it's presentation in some way. The resolution was so low that I could see pixels easily and my eyes gave me fatigue, so I left after about 30 minutes. Probably from the weight of the headset or my eyes. And of course the quest 2 is cheaper/lower resolution than what you are asking about.
@@billschannel1116 I actually have a Quest 1 and have tried game streaming with it through virtual desktop. The size was cool, but like you said, the picture didn't look very good and the weight made it extremely uncomfortable. The Nreal ones seem to have a much clearer image though, at least according to all reviews, and they'd obviously also be a lot lighter. I think I'll get them
lol we know damn well it can't possibly be "better than an OLED TV" but good title, gotta grab them clicks
6:36 - The "washed out" look makes it a no go for me personally - I know that its probably not noticeable when its dark but I would hate to only have accurate colors half of the time I'm using the TV or always had to close the blindfolds to use it properly - for me my OLED TV was such an insane game changer in comparison to previous TVs I owned that I will never go back to some form of washed out image with "bright blacks". Even in the Video the difference between the OLED and the Projector is INSANE which shows how good OLED is :D I'd rather pull my seating group closer together In case I had the feeling that my TV was too small or too far away :D
For anyone interested, I have a LG oled c1 85" TV and I recently tried the 100" LG CineBeam projector.
The C1 beat it by miles, sure it was slightly smaller but the quality and clarity of the image was unbeatable.
I can imagine these projectors are more affordable at bigger scales but honestly if you have 8k or more to fork out on the projector and the screen then you'll most likely be able to afford a decent oled at a slightly bigger price.
I returned my CineBeam in the end, it just wasn't what it was hyped out to be, and I feel a lot of reviewers out there aren't clear on its shortcomings
Are you really comparing a 300€ projector to a 2000€ TV ? 😐
@@AlphaConde-qy7vi I think you're confused, the HU715QW is definitely not 300€ haha.
It's a £3000 projector?
@@c5cha7 My bad, I googled "100" cinebeam projector" and the first links were about the PH30N.
@@AlphaConde-qy7vi it's all good man, I should have listed the model number, have a good day!
This is actually a great review! A little bit pricey, yea, but I do think its very worth it for a home theater experience but OLED TV is much more cheaper. Projectors might be better than TV but it all depends on your preference and situation. I do hope that they evolve this thing because its actually a cool experience, especially when you have a small apartment, you can save much more space without having a hassle of moving a huge TV around.
No man. This guys video is absolutely awful if it gave you the impression that OLEDs are cheaper. You can set up a 4k projector and entire theater room with 120 inch screen for less than the price of a 65 inch OLED.
That's including surround sound system and everything else you might need to set your room up to give you the best picture.
No Tom! I would stick with Lg's G1 or G2 OLED Tv! 🥳
Yep agreed
Yep !!
I have a 120" regular projector screen in my studio and it works well enough with my long-throw 1080p projector. I can only imagine how much of an improvement this projector would be, but sadly it is totally out of my price range...
if you want the screen lower and don't want it as high as your ceiling then remove that rack that the projector is on - and just place it on a short plinth or stool and it will actually be far lower because you physically place the Unit closer to the floor - get a smaller rack for all the ancillary stuff you want to connect to the projector
2:30 "You can hang a sheet" actually this would not work at all, especially with ultra low throw where a tiny bump will make a hole and huge deformations. You need a completely flat screen (even a plastered wall creates tiny shadows).
This is fine if you're a vampire and only plan to use it at night.
Looks pretty bright in there too me
TBH, I'd rather not use my TV during the day. Projectors are awesome, and I'm not even talking about ridiculously out of reach ones like this.
I own a UST projector. I do not have a screen I use a white wall. The room is our living room. It does not have light blocking curtains. Picture looks great, we use it as our only TV full time for TV, Movies, and computer gaming. And mine was $3K probably $2k now.
@@billschannel1116 what projector are you using? I'm wanting to do the same thing in my living room but with a screen.
If u get an ALR screen your good to go
I got a refurb optima cinemax p2 for 1500 and a CLR screen from ali express for 500. Honestly just as good as your setup in every aspect. I also agree the 50ms lag time kills a lot of gaming (for me mainly fighting games) and I look forward to upgrading next year to a lower lag projector as they come down in price.
It's a lie 🤣
@@phillylarkin.s1930 What is?
You got a P2 for $1500 USD? Man that's awesome. I tip my hat to you.
@@JamieDelour he said it WAS the truth
@@phillylarkin.s1930 yep it was on sale plus it was a refurb on adaroma. I don't know why that unbelievable, looks like you can find them right now for under 1900 brand new. These are dropping in price rapidly as newer models come out. This isn't a bleeding edge technology anymore.
Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I want to at least switch from TVs to projectors is moving. These short throws seem so much more superior if you need to move. Any tv 55in and bigger just takes so much work to prep for a move so the screen doesn’t crack.
That was a weird reason tbh, do you move every couple month?
Just keep the box you got the TV in, and it's easy and safe to move.
@@skinnypete1322 definitely not a weird reason at all but be judgmental all you want. 1. I have kept the boxes but even if with a 55 inch so you know how much real estate those boxes take. Because ideally you would want to not break them down and keep the inserts that are molded to your tv inside. It’s definitely the safest thing to do but if you live in a small apartment or even a house it takes a lot of space to store those. 2. Now add that you might have 3 or four 55 inch TVs in a full household these days. Yeah no thanks. Also what does it matter how much you move, packing them is a pain, if you don’t have the boxes it’s expensive to get them repacked properly, and large glass screens are just a liability in general. With these short throws you have all your smart features almost just as easily without the liability and inconvenience of a huge glass box.
Great tanks for advice will by the LG one. I am looking for a proyector like this for a small musical production that i want to take to bars and small venues where there is not enough range for a traditional projector. This looks great thanks
I moved to a projector and screen for my main setup years ago and never looked back. Gaming on a projector is ok, it's even good if your room can be made dark enough but a tv will probably still beat it by a bit, especially OLED ones. Just because contrast, brightness and pixel definition make any game more crisp on the backlit screen of a tv. But when you switch to movies or tv content, a projector is absolutely brilliant. Especially in the evening. Cannot be compared. Watching grandiose shows or movies on a 120 inch screen is an experience every time.
Now if you have the $$, I'll tell you that a great setup, is gaming on a 4k LG Cx 48" (on a desk, I'm a pc gamer) and watching movies and shows on a 120inch screen and projector. Best of both worlds.
An interesting product because it can change dimensions and seems bright enough to be in a bright room. Wanna watch a movie, set it at 120 inches, want to watch tennis, set it at 60. Actually it would be great if it could more easily change the size. Also the screen has to match the wall color - with changing sizes you don’t want a border, you’d want some reflective transparent material/paint on the wall.
This could be the ultimate tv especially if cost drops to 2,000. I might pick it over OLED especially if it supports 3d.
His screen is too high also the ust needs to be on a lower stand the whole point of an alr screen is that light coming from spotlights above is deflected so you can have them but the picture wont be washed out on the alr screen.set up is the problem here no the equipment otherwise picture would be amazing even compared to a oled
I have both a Samsung STP and OLED TVs. OLED is so darn good it's not fair to compare OLED to any projector.
Makes me wonder if some of those down sides would be fixed/solved with a better/more expensive projector. My only experience was with a super basic $170 projector that I expanded to it’s limits (roughly 300 inches), projected on an old white wall riddled with nail holes that I painted over with white out, placed on top of a stool on top of a table, using envelopes and books to level the image.
So, yeah, your set-up for me would be like going from an Atari 2600 to a PS2 lmao
I had a large image projector once, and it was great because I could see it as well no matter what position I was sitting in.
I've got a lot of experience with projectors over the years, and find that they can't be beat for the movie or event experience (e.g. Formula 1). I never watch "background tv noise". For me, movies are an event and should be treated as such. Anyway, at the moment I'm building a new system for a new house and it will have a drop down electric screen which completely disappears into the ceiling. Thanks for filling the void about the types of material for screen and the possibility of Ultra Short Throw, which I had not previously considered.
My girl and I are debating of getting the new triple laser cinebeam but it is a lot of money so we want to decide if we should do this or just get the new Bravia A95k or 83” A90j… recommendations? Is refresh rate applicable to projectors?
Formovie is getting great reviews,for 3k
invest in your children's education instead.
@@truthbetold7718 you think that people who is planning on buying 3k technology has kids to worry about?
@@justsomeguythatisaslime122 Some of them do, yes.
The A95K seems like a fantastic choice, but the largest size is 65". That's bigger than what I even want, but you might want something larger.
You might want to look at a Mini-LED TV to get a good HDR experience for less money.
As another commenter mentioned, make sure your kids' college funds (if you have kids) and all other necessities are well taken care of before spending money on frivolous things like expensive TVs. And then, if you are in that good position, consider a large charitable donation. If you're still feeling good about buying a fancy TV, I would go with the A95K.
My ex-wife's mother blew her college fund on high-end landscaping for her house. It left her in a bad position for college. I cosigned on some of her loans, and now I am carrying some of the responsibility even though we are divorced.
Hey Tom, for movies, if you could sit closer to your 77" TV so the viewing angle would be the same as sitting further from the 120" screen, would the 120" screen still win because of its size, or would the size advantage be completely eliminated by sitting closer to the TV, and the OLED would win because of its better contrast and picture quality?
I am currently trying to decide this for my new house. Make the room bigger so I can project a 110" image in it, or make the room a smaller size and have an 85" TV instead. Viewing angles would be about the same for both setups.
IFFFFFF you expect having the Family and friends come over to watch films and sports then go with the Projector and make the room as big as possible.
If its only for you then stick to the regular TV.
I can answer on that one.
I have a 100 inches lazer Tv for 2 years now.
I watch it from a 3.2m distance .
Honestly at 3.2 m distance I would say that it’s slightly too big and 90 inches would have been perfect.
I’m moving to an other place with windows bang on in front of tv . So going back to a Tv, I will be 3m from Tv maybe 2.9m.
So I think a 82 inch tv will do .
Projectors feel special due to size but by day they are annoying as fuck. You get washed out everything even with a 1000$ screen like I had.
I can’t wait to get my hand on a 2000nits tv.
For me, siting closer is not the same as watching a ust even if you can almost cover the same degree extent of your view, but tv´s are way better for gaming and casual viewing, what I´ve done is have both, I have my Samsung 4k tv for most things, but once a week I fire up my LG ust (not the same model as the one reviewed here, mine is older and more basic) in another room for an spectacular (an event is better described) movie view, greetings from Guadalajara, México (pardon my basic engish)
Sitting at a desk in front of a 27" computer monitor will technically fill your field of vision the equivalent of watching a 120" projector on a couch, but it still can't compare to real-life experience of sitting at a reasonable viewing distance in front of a 65" or larger display.
Its not quite the same - we know when something is big in comparison to ourselves and when its not so this will color your experience.
I used to own a projector (of course not nearly as good as this one) and kinda hated it. It was great for movies and thats it.
If I just want to watch TV or play a game I dont need an absurdly large screen.
I now "only" own a 55inch Oled and I really dont need anything more. Heck, for working and strategy games my PC monitor is the best. I even gave back the ultrawide monitor I purchased during covid since it was too large for my taste.
But tldr; if you want to see the lord of the rings or the godfather as good as possible and have no other needs then get the beamer. (Movies that benefit from a large screen more than from the best picture quality) but otherwise go to a store and try out different TVs and how much you can even handle… 77inch Tv is already massive.
I think I’d rather have 77” tv than a projector. I just can’t live with the low contrast fro projectors compared to TVs
then use a dark curtain lol
I’ve got an 120 inch motorised screen off eBay for £60 and it’s 3D ready. Bought my display model projector from richer sounds and saved about £200. All in I paid around £700 and my cinema room is absolutely boss. I don’t use it that much but when there’s a big game on or a superb film to watch it’s amazing
have fun with this new equipment. sold my last TV....18 years ago. Since this time I'm using projector(s). What such more fun!
Projectors are great, Until you’ve experienced OLED, I don’t think I can ever give up the perfect blacks, They wow me anytime a scene or game gets dark, Im willing to wait and shell out big money for a 100” OLED one day, but for now my 83” will do.
Or even a newer mini-LED QLED TV... Projectors lose their wow-factor pretty quickly
JVC stuff almost gets there, but of course you pay for it lol
Im sorry, I cant stand this OLED crap. I have to yet see a OLED TV that has a good colours or good dynamic contrast ratio. The Projector here is beating the OLED easy, and there is something about the reflected beam that gives you this cinema feeling that no OLED will ever be able to reproduce.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 These are UST, so there's really no beam (except a few inches), but yeah you should check out the new Hisense Laser TV. It's actually a UST projector
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 OLED's absolutely destroy projectors for color accuracy and color volume. And contrast? Are you kidding? I do agree however with the cinematic feel of a projector though. I've been a projector guy for 9 yrs but I now prefer OLED in all measures but size.
In my experience (with FullHD DLP projector) it completely replaced us TV for movies and TV shows. Setup's total cost was about $500 and it just feels so much better to watch movies on 2m diagonal. And eyes say me "thank you" every time after watching.
We still have TV on the wall and unrolling projector screen right in front of it. And have to close windows to increase contrast, but damn, the movies look good with it.
Definitely! And nowadays with TV-Shows often being very cinematic too they also benefit greatly from being projected big. No looking back in our household either.
We ended up getting rid of our TV completely after realising we hadn’t turned it on for over a year.
the tech involved with this has changed massively to what projectors were! fantastic piece of kit but too expensive
Yeah projectors used to be pretty meh with image quality (at least your standard consumer ones) and were loud and got super hot.
This looks much better.
That being said - it was fucking tiring watching TV or do casual gaming on a super large screen…
Heck for strategy games I still prefer my small PC monitor and at work I downsized from a super wide monitors to two small ones for more concentration and focus.
I have an Optoma laser at 100”. It’s perfect. Great with shades open and spectacular with shades closed. Vizio surround sound sound bar attached to a hdmi switch with audio extractor via toslink. It’s a great setup. Not a gamer but a sports viewer.
How much does it cost to replace the lasers when they go out? Can you pop them out like a projector bulb or do you have to throw the whole thing away and buy a new projector?
Looked washed out during your whole video until you shut the curtains and had a darkened room. Everything looked anemic. Fan noise!! Big white box is not my idea of a nice design. Also quite worried by all that visible dust on the lense in certain shot angles. Great Size but that's really the only positive for me.
Projector image is always washed out in video and pictures so it is not a good way to show / judge it. It looks better in real life and amazing in a blacked out room.
My projector looks anything but washed out and it's on a white wall. If it actually was washed out you could always make the screen smaller.
Thing is, as someone who owns both an OLED (LG CX) and a projector (Xgimi Horizon Pro) - neither is particularly much good until you shut the curtains. The OLED performs a bit better, but the second the content is anything less than bright, reflections just kill it (try watching something like The Sandman during the day on an OLED without the curtains shut, for instance), whereas although the projector doesn't give you those gorgeous inky blacks, the very nature of how the image exists means that reflections aren't a problem, so you're not looking at yourself and your couch in the dark, moody scenes, y'know?
@@billschannel1116 "make the screen smaller ". What's the point then?lol This kind of product is suitable for meeting rooms or conference halls. For our everyday uses, OLED tv is still the best option.
@@thescottishaccent The first time I tried my projector with the lamps on in the room I was blown away. My standard projector was completely unusable with all the lamps on but the UST was impressive. And that's with a light rejecting screens. Those things are other worldly. Now, for the best experience, darkness is the way to go for both TV and projectors.
Would be really interesting to see how this compares to the TCL 98C735 => 98" UHD 120Hz for less money. Doesn't quite reach 120", but probably a lot better in many ways. :)
120" is so much bigger then 98"!
I have the Sony OLED and ever time I see a LED TV or projector the images always look so washed out, your LG OLED looked great. I'll stick to QDOLED
Tv any day all day. For a few reasons.
1. Pixel density 4k 55inch will just be sharper than an 120 inch.
2. Contrast , I bought an oled because i could not stand black not being black. I have not seen a projector do this.
3. I dont have the largest living area so it just looks more classy and clean in my own home.
If I had a basement that I could change into a theater / man cave a laser projector would probably be in it because when watching it would always be dark which makes it easier to adjust the screen. And lets face it a projector is just cool :D
Got a used Yaber Y30 projector ($150), painted wall in bedroom with curtains with flat grey from paint rejects home depot $20. Free Chromebook as screen was no longer turning on. $40 projector stand, $30 HDMI and audio cable and cheap bluetooth keyboard mousepad combo. It's awesome for $300! No $7000 quality, but more than enough to google, do email and consume media. Should last for thousands of hours, about 75w consumption for Chromebook and projector if you don't include stereo. Been running for 2 yrs, funny thing is out of the blue this week the Chromebook screen randomly started working again. No one could get it to work, but now it is.
I think Im going to go for one of the cheaper (£3,000) ones with 100' screen. Just more fun! I spend most of my time on my computer and only really use the main TV for films anyway so the 'event' feeling is worth it. The tablet in the kitchen and TV in the bedroom will be enough for just the news etc. Plus the Hisense ones I looked at had a 16ms response rate at 4k so perfectly adequate for gaming for my needs! Cheers for the video!
Ok rich woman...as if it's your money anyway...
@@user-ki6id4vt8u butsore much? Because a woman has something you can't achieve? A decent job? Kindly go back to your cave and become extinct.
@@gabriellestuart921 "Decent job" - you lack a brain, a mind, and the way you responded just reiterated that
@@gabriellestuart921 Go back to your swamp ogre
@@user-ki6id4vt8u Whiny, jealous little excuse for a man
Nicely presented review. I have the ls500 without a screen as we seldom watch stuff doing day time, and it is bright enough that day time viewings are fine. Don't think a screen is that mandatory. I've tried a few projectors, he P2 and this one amongst them, and this tri laser proejctor still gave me rainbow effects which I'm unfortunately very susceptible to, so its LCD all the way for me.
lol PRICE IS A JOKE
its very cool. but still to pricy to replace actual tvs
I’ve had a projector for nearly 7 years and I love it still.
I think projectors are great for that size and environment factor, but that price tag is seriously difficult to swallow.
It was always going to be hard to swallow at 120 inches.
You can get a xiaomi or optoma lazer tv and it’s screen for like 3k.
He went for very expensive .
Even in first 20 seconds I can see that the OLED tv actually had rich contrast and looked appealing, and the projector looks washed out like you’re watching a presentation at work.
Nah, if you turn the lights off it looks amazing, screen size beats contrast every day of the week.
@@airixxxx keep dreamin lol
@@jargontaka If you watch a movie more than 3 meters away there's no competition, immersion and feeling of a cinema experience is not matched by any TV. Even a 80 inch looks ridiculously small in a big living room. If you sit closer, maybe as a PC entertainment use, of course OLED is great.
Black out the room it will look alot better but still doesnt touch oled..different use cases.
@@whitegoodman7465 Different use cases indeed, no matter how good that OLED TV looks, if you are watching from 3 meters or more you can't see shit, unless you have a 100" OLED, I don't want to know how that would cost.
Man said 6000 I left chat
I'm glad you explained that you were filming in a brightly lit room because I wasn't feeling the picture quality. When you showed it in a darker room, then it looked much better. But too rich for my blood.
I've had projectors for years, but despite the advances I must say that they always involve compromises. For about the same price you can get an 83" wall-flush LG OLED TV, which is plenty big, and has no tech compromises for HDR or gaming. I will note one advantage for SOME projectors: it's the only way to get new tech with stereoscopic 3D at home. TVs have abandoned 3D, but SOME projectors still support it.
Televisions are still big bulky things when off. A projector screen melts away in to the decor or can be motorised.
I'd much rather have the oled tv, the projector isn't as bright and looks washed out.
I used projector only from 2009- 2013. Besides the fact that that particular setup required me to have blackout curtains only, I loved it when I was living in my bachelor pad.
for ust projectors, ust screens are almost mandatory, because the surface is optimized for that source of light. standard screens are meant for perpendicular light sources, while ust screens are designed to block all sources but the ones that are coming from below
I have a beamer (1080p) for about 15 years, if you have a white wall, you don't need a screen to project on. I bought a beamer back in the day because why spend a lot of money on a 'big' tv (about 1-1,5 meter), why you can have a bigger screen (2,6 meters in my case) for about the same money.
Fences sell these kinds of things for like $2k, totally worth it!
Fences?
My 5 cents: Don't try to replace your TV, but hey I never watch TV, I just watch F1 and some music video's, for that it is great if you can darken the room a bit. But once all is in the right spot noting can beat the lazer projector, I just love it!