Fascinating. I'm interested in which Middle Eastern languages this "expert" speaks and reads. Arabic? Farsi? Turkish? Hebrew? 🤔 Imagine someone presenting themselves as an expert on the history of US-Latin American relations who couldn't speak at least English and Spanish.
The language of power is English. The present world is defined in English. Just compare the way language is used to define, say, Putin and Netanyahu. The BBC is a rich research field to gauge the power of language. It's really fascinating when you weigh the chosen adjectives, the intonation, even the emotional tone when presenters interview "one of us" like Israel or "one of them" like non-Western politicians. BBC staff don't have to present themselves as experts, they just tell us subliminally who are the goodies and who are the baddies.
Imagine allowing yourself to be presented as an "expert" in a vast and complex region of the world when you have failed to master any of its languages after decades of reporting.
Maybe yes it would be better if you had all the languages, but not having them doesn't mean you can't have interesting insight. Bringing some experience from outside the region can bring valuable insights and a wider context. Bowen was in Yugoslavia and has reported all over the Middle East for decades, and obviously has reported on Ireland - which as you know was an intractable problem; but perhaps there are some lessons there that can be learned from.
Bowen opens by framing the conflict as largely beginning in 1948 when “Israel declared independence and then pushed out 650,000 or so Palestinian Arabs in the ‘Nabka’”. Wrong! It was the British and the United Nations that tried to solve the problem of Arabs vs Jews with a two-state solution which the Jews gratefully/reluctantly accepted but the Arabs did not. Then the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel from all sides, thus starting a war that they then lost. Following that the victor in the war imposed its terms. If you start and lose a war, you don’t ever get the outcome you wanted and often you lose strategic territory. Just ask what Germany got in 1945: it lost great chunks of historic Germany to Poland and the USSR.
Simples. I wish we could condense reality into such reassuring binary concepts. One way to find the real facts would be to look at the outcomes. You can always measure history with the benefit of hindsight. The terrible military violence in the Middle East, the prospect of global conflict, the desperate situation of a whole nation facing extermination and the terror unleashed over neighbouring countries suggest that Israel's presence is deeply troubling for the region. It just doesn't click. Simple solutions, complicated outcomes. No justification.
Forgot to say that 200 k stayed after partision plan. Very weak this argument Israel expeled. Arab states did nakba and transferred the guilt to Israel 16 years after. They leaders told 750 k to flee with their keys and they should come back after genocide of Jews complete.
@@virtuosogenius without zionism Arab states will continue to kill milhons of Muslims in their genocides. Palestinians will still suffering apartheid in Lebanon. Palestinians will still suffering starvation in gaza meanwhile their politicians are bilhonaires and eating lobster everydays. Arab states will continue to do ethnic cleansing within minorities.
Jeremy bowen hopefully will go down as one of the biggest criminals in history. I hope his complicity in all this mayhem isn't just swept under the carpet and white washed like it was for characters like neville chamberlain and numerous others within the western establishment who were pro nazi in the 30s. Unfortunately I suspect the chaos and evil that Jeremy has traded in his whole life will have to come home with him and bring horrific consequences to his fellow westerners before things ever change and characters like Jeremy bowen are firmly placed into historical context of shame and evil.
A serious omission: He went from the Briish mandate to the 1948 war without mentioning the UN resolution of November 29, 1947 which was rejected by the Arabs!
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Fascinating. I'm interested in which Middle Eastern languages this "expert" speaks and reads. Arabic? Farsi? Turkish? Hebrew? 🤔
Imagine someone presenting themselves as an expert on the history of US-Latin American relations who couldn't speak at least English and Spanish.
The language of power is English. The present world is defined in English. Just compare the way language is used to define, say, Putin and Netanyahu. The BBC is a rich research field to gauge the power of language. It's really fascinating when you weigh the chosen adjectives, the intonation, even the emotional tone when presenters interview "one of us" like Israel or "one of them" like non-Western politicians. BBC staff don't have to present themselves as experts, they just tell us subliminally who are the goodies and who are the baddies.
Jeremy Bowen is fantastic, regardless of what languages he does or doesn't speak.
Imagine allowing yourself to be presented as an "expert" in a vast and complex region of the world when you have failed to master any of its languages after decades of reporting.
Maybe yes it would be better if you had all the languages, but not having them doesn't mean you can't have interesting insight. Bringing some experience from outside the region can bring valuable insights and a wider context. Bowen was in Yugoslavia and has reported all over the Middle East for decades, and obviously has reported on Ireland - which as you know was an intractable problem; but perhaps there are some lessons there that can be learned from.
actually if you listen to Bowen he says it's all being going on for over a hundred years. Why don't you quote the man correctly?
Because they've all got their own agendas they're pushing. Welcome to the RUclips comments section in 2024.
Bowen opens by framing the conflict as largely beginning in 1948 when “Israel declared independence and then pushed out 650,000 or so Palestinian Arabs in the ‘Nabka’”. Wrong! It was the British and the United Nations that tried to solve the problem of Arabs vs Jews with a two-state solution which the Jews gratefully/reluctantly accepted but the Arabs did not. Then the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel from all sides, thus starting a war that they then lost. Following that the victor in the war imposed its terms. If you start and lose a war, you don’t ever get the outcome you wanted and often you lose strategic territory. Just ask what Germany got in 1945: it lost great chunks of historic Germany to Poland and the USSR.
Exactly. Thank you
Simples. I wish we could condense reality into such reassuring binary concepts. One way to find the real facts would be to look at the outcomes. You can always measure history with the benefit of hindsight. The terrible military violence in the Middle East, the prospect of global conflict, the desperate situation of a whole nation facing extermination and the terror unleashed over neighbouring countries suggest that Israel's presence is deeply troubling for the region. It just doesn't click. Simple solutions, complicated outcomes. No justification.
Forgot to say that 200 k stayed after partision plan. Very weak this argument Israel expeled. Arab states did nakba and transferred the guilt to Israel 16 years after. They leaders told 750 k to flee with their keys and they should come back after genocide of Jews complete.
@@virtuosogenius without zionism Arab states will continue to kill milhons of Muslims in their genocides. Palestinians will still suffering apartheid in Lebanon. Palestinians will still suffering starvation in gaza meanwhile their politicians are bilhonaires and eating lobster everydays. Arab states will continue to do ethnic cleansing within minorities.
Jeremy bowen hopefully will go down as one of the biggest criminals in history. I hope his complicity in all this mayhem isn't just swept under the carpet and white washed like it was for characters like neville chamberlain and numerous others within the western establishment who were pro nazi in the 30s. Unfortunately I suspect the chaos and evil that Jeremy has traded in his whole life will have to come home with him and bring horrific consequences to his fellow westerners before things ever change and characters like Jeremy bowen are firmly placed into historical context of shame and evil.
I argue that Hamas was/is not a religious entity like The Islamic Republic of Irans’ mullahs.
A serious omission: He went from the Briish mandate to the 1948 war without mentioning the UN resolution of November 29, 1947 which was rejected by the Arabs!