To anyone who's reading this : It's been four years since that video came out, and know I'm doing my Master's Degree's Research Paper on Cabal. More than 100 pages of analysis of the book and the film, and in two days time, I'm doing a conference on that subject. All thanks to Dominic Noble and this video. So, thank you so much!
Please share it..even now would love to read it...I did a paper on this and its shared themes with Clives novel Sacrament ...would love to see another perspective on it.
The Dom: “This is going to be a more graphic video than you may be used to.” Me: “that’s odd, I wonder why.” The Dom: “Clive Barker...” Me: “ohhhhhhhhh”
Barker has never met a monster he didn’t want to F**k, the more grotesque the better.....guys got some serious kink issues, and he likely gets turned on by Cronenberg monsters.
Clive Barker has a thing for sexualizing really grotesque material. If you've ever thought, "Wow, the Hellraiser gang sure looks like a group of demonic bondage fans", well that's because they are in the original story. He also has an adapted story called Rawhead Rex which is basically about a penis monster that's afraid of pregnant women if I remember correctly.
@@chs9999Yeah, The Hills, The Cities. Two villages full of people Voltron into giant monsters and Duke it out once a year. But the passive observers become entangled, and one of them does become very... Physically excited to join with one of the villages. It's.... Something.
Barker is gay and wrote a lot of his adapted stuff around various gay panics and I think Hellbound Heart was published in 1986, smack dab in the AIDs crisis. While I don't think he was ever explicitly making metaphors, one could read that he was processing some of the way the media portrayed gay sexuality at the time:Predatory, dangerous, unhygienic and sort of putting that into his monsters. Especially here in Cabal where the monsters (deviants/gays/LGBTQ) are being genocided by the humans (the straights).
My internet literally went out the moment you said “...on his face”. Even my internet felt grossed out. My internet and I had an emotional connection at that moment.
I found it shocking way back in the 80s when I read it, but now it carries no real impact other than a case of the closeted-at-the-time Barker writing about having one's load blown in his face.
"He...um... facialed an elder god." "He bukkaked a lord of darkness." "He gave a denizen of the underworld a pearl necklace." Why can't I stop laughing like a juvenile?!
Also if werewolves are scary then cat-people (werecats) would also have to be scary by default...I mean seriously who wouldn't be afraid of a humanoid lion the size of a bear?!
I'm a little surprised Dom didn't mention the genuinely strange casting choice for Decker - legendary horror director David Cronenberg. Who'd never really acted in anything before aside from a couple cameos. 'Coz having a non-actor play your split-personality baddie makes sense.
Also don’t think that casting helps the serial killer reveal either. I mean, I immediately kinda mentally associate Cronenberg with horrifying things (turning in-his-prime Jeff Goldlum into a thing of nightmares). So, murders forgotten while “blacking out” AND recognizing him really set off the “he’s the real killer” alarms for me.
Cronenberg has a recurring theme of degeneration and addiction in his movies, and I'm told he saw playing a serial killer as an apex of this fascination.
John Vinals ,yep, and probably inspiration for Baphomet ' s pearl necklace!! Clive Barker wasn't really out of the closet back then, at least not to the vast majority. The scenes of shirtless Boone are an indicator, scenes that I myself love since I am gay too!
@@SpicyCannoli He was the keynote speaker at a seminar I attended, and he was publishing comics for a company where a couple of my friends worked, so I was able to, though it wasn't much more than a greeting. I did get to hear him speak a couple of times though, and I was aware he was gay - probably as much from my friends as from himself.
There was a good reason Barker was so involved in the movie making process since before Hellraiser there were multiple adaptations of his work made and he hated all of them and thought they botched his work so he decided screw it I’ll do it myself
By his own admission, Barker is not into ladies, so that's why Craig is often undressed and the ladies are not. The first Hellraiser also had nude men (well, Frank) and next to no nude ladies.
That might be why in Clive Barkers films (I have not read his books) the male form is filmed very seductively whereas the female form is usually just kinda there.
Ok so throughout literally this whole video I was just thinking how it kinda reminded me of Hellraiser (A movie which I've only heard a sinopsis of and a book I've only read the first chapter of) specially the part where he gave the god dude a facial and now it all makes sense.
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That's amazing. Remember a relapse doesn't mean starting over. You can do this. The biggest thing you need to avoid is boredom. That's when most people relapse. Stay busy and take care of yourself. Again, congrats!!
I honestly found him intimidating in his manipulative nature. It’s far more realistic in nature with actual serial killers (specifically the likes of Bundy). And for someone who doesn’t do acting as his day job, Cronenberg had grace and smarmy attitude to play the part
Since this villain was supposedly a psychiatrist and you mentioned Scarecrow and Tim Burton, I can only assume you are referring to the Batman villain Professor Jonathan Crane.
I can understand the rating concern, as getting higher than a R is practically a death sentence for films released in wide distribution, as most theaters won't play the film. Doesn't make them right, but still.
Few theaters would refuse to play an unrated film that promised high ticket sales -- the "death sentence" came from local newspapers with policies against running ads for any film without an MPAA rating. No newspaper ads meant potential audiences wouldn't even know such films were playing, let alone be able to look up showtimes, so ticket sales were guaranteed to suck. Now that we all get our movie showtimes online, the MPAA rating system will hopefully lose its stranglehold on movie theater programming.
There is a longer version out there, THE ULTIMATE CABAL CUT - containing all known existing and restored footage (3hrs, 19mins). It makes the previous versions seem like teaser trailers. Theatrical Cut - 1hr 41mins Director’s Cut - 2hrs 00mins Integral Cut - 2hrs 13mins Leaked Cabal Cut - 2hrs 25mins Official Cabal Cut - 2hrs 25mins (different footage to the leaked version) ULTIMATE CABAL CUT - 3hrs 19mins. Thank me later 👍 #occupymidian #cinemageddon
"Oh, sweet Midian, I burn for thee at heart. Don't despair me. Come bare me on wings of graveyard robbed leather To where pleasure rings deep secrets In spurts, after dark..."
I highly recommend the book, few things have disturbed me as much as the POV bits from Deckers perspective, the way he describes how his weird psychology works, how the mask talks to him and forces him to murder (it ovbviously doesnt) and punishes him when he disobeys, and how he describes that when he is about to kill he gets an erection he calls his murder hard, how being seen with his murder hard is part of what makes him want to kill the witness, the descriptions of him smelling his excitement in spit drenched mask when he puts it on, and just how vile he is. And i am confident in saying that i have read a lot of disturbing stuff but this stuck with me
'The Perks Of Being A Wallflower' springs to mind for being another film written and directed by the author. This isn't a video request, just pointing that out.
Had the book , the book on tape, still have the comic books, the video with Clive's intro, and the DVD/Blu-Ray Version that is quite different from the theatrical cut. By the way, the book contained a short story called "The Last Illusion", which Clive adapted and directed into the movie "Lord of Illusions". I'm a fan. THANK YOU!
The Last Illusion was included along with a couple of other stories to pad out the length for the American release of Cabal. The Last Illusion was originally published as a part of Barker's Books of Blood. And yes, even though Lord of Illusions has very little in common with The Last Illusion aside from some character names and a dead magician, it is still a really good film. Always watch the extended cut!!!
@@jamiebraswell5520 Lord of Illusions is definitely a good book on a deal either one or read the other one but yes Clive has a good mind and idea even if he didn't like it he already did a good job cuz he has fans loving it I love in the Lord of illusions at the beginning when he has that baboon tied up my favorite scene but the whole movie is Awesome
I ADORE Lord of Illusions, but that's because I watched the Director's Cut! Watching it with Clive Barker's commentary I couldn't believe how many of the scenes the Producers cut were vital to characterization or to the plot! Seriously, almost ALL characterization and a good HALF the plot were GUTTED. Most reasons people didn't like the Theatrical Cut, come from Producer Interference. It's such a great Noir horror movie!
Not even the weirdest thing i've seen in a Barker book. Lucifer and Pinhead getting into a fight so fucking hardcore that it destroyed a distant planet and caused the universe to be "unmade" probably takes that.
The Island of Dr Moreau would be a good lost in adaptation I think (There are three adaptations and I would ideally like to see The Dom do ether a separate lost in adaptation for all three of them like he did with Total recall or do what he did with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, if he only did one though I think the 1970s version would be the best even though its overlooked a lot cos its the most like the book I think and it also is the least outlandish sticking to the theme and genre of the book the 1930s one makes it a outright horror movie and the 1990s one is a bit silly and ridiculous I think)
Could you do a Lost In Adaptation of Howl's Moving Castle next? I loved both the book and the Ghibli animated movie and would love to see you try to find the similarities and differences between the two to see if it's a faithful adaptation.
Dom, do you think your confusion between _Decker_ and _Deckard_ has anything to do with the fact the character’s full name is *Phillip K. Decker* which sounds remarkably like Phillip K. Dick who created the character Rick Deckard for Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
I cannot express how much I appreciated the emphasis on the "weirdest scene". It paints a perfect picture, but more importantly it also makes me giggle. I can't click on your new uploads quickly enough! Great job as always!
not gonna lie, giving a facial to an Elder God wasn't something i was expecting to hear this week.. & im not sure if i mean that in a good or bad way still, amazing review as always
And having a character jizz on an elder god's face isn't even the weirdest thing Clive Barker has thought up (I say as someone who's read almost everything he's ever written...twice).
This was quite a fun review. I kinda like the therapist being a villain. Probably because my therapist aunt always joked that it takes crazy to know crazy and I've met a few therapists that gave me quite creepy vibes. It's not all therapists, but they do have some traits that make for good villains.
I've never seen the film or read the book (although I remember the movie coming out at the time), and from the moment they mentioned it, I pegged the therapist for the killer. It's not even an uncommon trope. I've seen it done on TV. Hero has memory blackouts. Hero is seeing therapist. There are murders during the blackouts. Given the guy's the hero and having blackouts, it pretty much screams he's not the killer, so who else is there?
I always read "therapist" as "the rapist" by accident so I read your post as "I kinda like the rapist being a villain" and was rather confused for a second.
Subtlety is not Barker's fare. Also, he hates cats to a degree that is... kinda weird. His brand of shock value is a tad too much for my taste, but I can see the alure. And Hellraiser is a horror classic.
Yet Hellraiser has the same problem as Cabal, in that Barker-as-Director just can't live up to the vision of Barker-as-Writer. Although I will say, in both cases Barker's smart choices in film composers does do a LOT to help shore up some of the weaknesses in his filming technique. In particular, it's really hard to imagine Hellraiser without Christopher Young's score.
Clive Barker was probably the nicest person in Hollywood. And this isn't the only adaptation of his that he also directed. I was an extra on Lord of Illusion. That's where I first met him.
So I was watching this and past videos while I'm the hospital after my surgery. I had a nurse stop checking me and ask for the a link to the page...you my friend are welcome...I got my whole nurse team watching you by the time I went home.
Hey, don't diss the McDonald's Moon. That was legendary creature actor Doug Jones's first gig. Without it, so many movies we love today wouldn't be the same. :D
Dom: "You really have to wonder about Clive Barker" Me: So... not too familiar with his work, huh? It's kinda like only knowing H.R. Giger for the design of Alien.
It only recently occurred to me that Cabal is probably an analogy to the 80's gay scene. Barker came out as gay in the early 90's, meaning while writing the book he was a closeted homosexual. The Nightbreed are a different, strange and shunned people, hated and feared by society. Boone finds out something about himself (thinking he is a monster), and leaves 'regular' society to life among his own kind, who he finds to be a eclectic and wonderful lot, rather than the monsters that society deems them. It's obviously not an exact match, but I imagine that it was a significant part of Barker's inspiration when writing.
This isn't the first time I've heard Baphomet pronounced that way. Aurelio Voltaire says it the same way when talking about the deamon of the same name.
"The name Baphomet was imported into English through Old French. This is relevant to how Baphomet should be pronounced. Baphomet is often mispronounced as Ba-foe-met. The correct pronunciation of Baphomet, instead, should follow the French pronunciation, which means that the final 't' should not be pronounced."
I must say I do like how you've shortened the intro which is much better as the original was too long. Personally not a massive fan of the intro its a bit too explosion-ey for my taste (my word. you can't use it) and feels a bit too much like the critics or film brains intro. Loved the review though 😁 although at 23:36 with his semen landing on the gods face... From your description, I immediately just felt a blank cross my mind before it rebooted with "What?". That feels... random. the tone of the scene described just went from creepy and serious to a weird awkward... VERY strange sensuous place for certain people... That is the best description I have for that scene. Even that I feel is ineffective, it's just that bizarre.
I mean, this is the dude that wrote The Hellbound Heart (which is basically book version of Hellraiser) in which something sorta similar happens in the first chapter.
I went out and got the book before I watched this review. He's pretty spot on. Cabal is well-written and creepy but then again, it's Clive Barker so that's nothing new.
Just a quick note, I may be wrong but I think bukkake specifically refers to multiple people ejaculating on someone. This isn't the slightest bit important, I'm just a stickler for my sexual terminology!
I enjoyed Cabal but that subtext was nearly just plain text, especially considering his relationship with Decker and his inability to perform with his girlfriend lol.
I realize it's over 4 years since this was uploaded, but honestly when it comes to Clive Barker I'd like to see your take on the 1992 movie Candyman and the short story that inspired it, The Forbidden.
I’ve read the book, but never saw the film. I still want an anthology TV program with episodes based on his short stories, then my life would be complete.
I'd absolutely love to see you do a Hellraiser vs The Hellbound Heart episode if you're ever so inclined. I've been wanting to suggest it for a long time. I'd be more than willing to provide the book and movie to you!
I think this is shared in the same universe as the Hellraiser series. Because semen being used as a catalyst for a rebirth or preservation was also done in the original Hellraiser novella (Hellbound Heart). A lot of this actually screams Barker's writing style and I wouldn't be surprised if it ran on the same magical logic.
Fox you absolute bastards, Cabal is a damned amazing book and I'm surprised dark demonic things didn't happen to you for that interference. Well done Dom for getting through this adaptation we all know how horror-phobic you are have a hug from me 🤗
This was excellent work as usual, props to the patron that chose it. You're analysis of Barker's writing style really feels spot on to me. The man is a genius and I love his work, but in a lot of them there are just those moments where I read something SO off putting that I then have to put the book down and leave it for a few weeks or longer.
When I first saw Buffy I was halfway convinced that David Boreanaz was an actual vampire because of Craig Sheffer. Reading these comments is so validating because I kinda assumed I was the only one.
I am very tempted to suggest your catch phrase should be " Hedges are not scary!" I really love it when you say it because it creates a great bit of meta I think.
I noticed this thing where with male authors, if sex is featured in the book, it seems always to be weird af and makes me feel like I am their therapist in the unlucky position of needing to talk with them about it . . . but all books of haruki murakami I read featured the same weird hang ups about sex. dan simmons hyperion chantos has multiple weird things, but one infamous scene that is not only weird but also makes no sense at all. We do not even need to start with heimlein. GrrM but at least he is infamous for it so one can avoid it. Stephen king and his underaged sewer gangbang of friendship as well as the water corpse . . . its not even the works of fiction where it would make sense or you'd expect it, no some of the most proclaimed sci fy and horror and suddenly wheam a compleatly weird sex thing that does not seem to be weird for the sake of the story, but the author . . . . not saying female authors do not write weird af stuff, but with them, thats usualy the whole point of the book then, at least from my experience . . .
I absolutely love Clive Barker. He can fit numerous descriptions into a paragraph while it takes Stephen King a full page. I really hope we can get a 'The Great and Secret Show' movie. That could be an epic 2 part movie and then you have 'Everville' after that. I guess I'll have to try and write for my own sanity.
If you are interested the RUclipsr "Cyborcat" has been slowly doing reviews on all of the Hellraiser movies, she hasn't finished though, she adds interesting info on the behind the scenes stuff and the differences and continuity between the different sequels. It's not a Lost in Adaptation review, but you might find it interesting.
I can't help but feel like having the "monsters" actually turn out to be monsters (in the moral sense) by running around murdering literally untold amounts of people, kinda undermines their supposed moral high ground over the humans here. And in turn it undercuts the touted message that humans are the real monsters. Because the monsters are also the real monsters....
I love Barkers work. Galilee is AMAZEBALLS... as is the Abarat series. I am obviously missing some of them but those are two of my favourite one for sure... Imagica is an awesome experience too. Great synopsis as usual. 👍🏻
To anyone who's reading this : It's been four years since that video came out, and know I'm doing my Master's Degree's Research Paper on Cabal. More than 100 pages of analysis of the book and the film, and in two days time, I'm doing a conference on that subject. All thanks to Dominic Noble and this video. So, thank you so much!
As the person who commissioned the video, you're welcome! Would love to see that!
What grade did you get? Or feedback? I don’t know how Master paperwork works
Awesome!
Please share it..even now would love to read it...I did a paper on this and its shared themes with Clives novel Sacrament ...would love to see another perspective on it.
How did you do bro?!
"I guess everyone has a kink"
*Clive Barker has entered the chat*
The Dom: “This is going to be a more graphic video than you may be used to.”
Me: “that’s odd, I wonder why.”
The Dom: “Clive Barker...”
Me: “ohhhhhhhhh”
Maniac536 lol, yup
Barker has never met a monster he didn’t want to F**k, the more grotesque the better.....guys got some serious kink issues, and he likely gets turned on by Cronenberg monsters.
@@Dj.MODÆO great isn't it?
William Brinkley he volunteers at a burn dented looking for love. But mostly sex.
Bingo
Clive Barker has a thing for sexualizing really grotesque material. If you've ever thought, "Wow, the Hellraiser gang sure looks like a group of demonic bondage fans", well that's because they are in the original story. He also has an adapted story called Rawhead Rex which is basically about a penis monster that's afraid of pregnant women if I remember correctly.
Yeah that's what rawhide Rex was about and then there's the one about the Giant person made of people that's really weirdly sexualized
@@chs9999Yeah, The Hills, The Cities. Two villages full of people Voltron into giant monsters and Duke it out once a year. But the passive observers become entangled, and one of them does become very... Physically excited to join with one of the villages. It's.... Something.
@@graverobbingcleric2745. Everyone has their kinks. Too bad some, like so are incapable of exluding it from their work!
Barker is gay and wrote a lot of his adapted stuff around various gay panics and I think Hellbound Heart was published in 1986, smack dab in the AIDs crisis.
While I don't think he was ever explicitly making metaphors, one could read that he was processing some of the way the media portrayed gay sexuality at the time:Predatory, dangerous, unhygienic and sort of putting that into his monsters. Especially here in Cabal where the monsters (deviants/gays/LGBTQ) are being genocided by the humans (the straights).
That's hilarious actually
My internet literally went out the moment you said “...on his face”.
Even my internet felt grossed out.
My internet and I had an emotional connection at that moment.
Don’t you mean an emotional DISconnection? :D
I found it shocking way back in the 80s when I read it, but now it carries no real impact other than a case of the closeted-at-the-time Barker writing about having one's load blown in his face.
I dunno, sounds more like your internet has *no* connection in that moment.
"He...um... facialed an elder god." "He bukkaked a lord of darkness." "He gave a denizen of the underworld a pearl necklace."
Why can't I stop laughing like a juvenile?!
"Cat people are not scary"
Someone didn't grow up watching Scooby-Doo Zombie Island!
Katie Leffler or watched the old horror film ‘ Cat People’
Also if werewolves are scary then cat-people (werecats) would also have to be scary by default...I mean seriously who wouldn't be afraid of a humanoid lion the size of a bear?!
oh god yay they are scary even now that I am an adult they are scary
Ironically i was terrified of the zombies and found the cat people cool. Lol
Little me was a strange child.
cat people are not that scary. but wtf is with the incest? every were cat movie has incest cat people.
I just about choked to death laughing at the litany of euphemisms for the climax of the transformation.
Hehe ... Climax.
the literal climax XD
I'm a little surprised Dom didn't mention the genuinely strange casting choice for Decker - legendary horror director David Cronenberg. Who'd never really acted in anything before aside from a couple cameos. 'Coz having a non-actor play your split-personality baddie makes sense.
Jason Blalock It's David Cronenberg, who wouldn't want them in their movie?
Also don’t think that casting helps the serial killer reveal either. I mean, I immediately kinda mentally associate Cronenberg with horrifying things (turning in-his-prime Jeff Goldlum into a thing of nightmares). So, murders forgotten while “blacking out” AND recognizing him really set off the “he’s the real killer” alarms for me.
I have to give props to David through. He is awesome in this movie!
Jason Blalock this is a really good point. I think Cronenberg could make eating ice cream creepy.
Cronenberg has a recurring theme of degeneration and addiction in his movies, and I'm told he saw playing a serial killer as an apex of this fascination.
For the record, Clive Barker is a gay man and Boone’s connection to Midian is an allegory for coming out of the closet.
John Vinals ,yep, and probably inspiration for Baphomet ' s pearl necklace!! Clive Barker wasn't really out of the closet back then, at least not to the vast majority. The scenes of shirtless Boone are an indicator, scenes that I myself love since I am gay too!
@@jamiebraswell5520 I didn't meet Barker until '92, but he seemed pretty open about it then.
@@jackwells8107 Wait you met him??
@@SpicyCannoli He was the keynote speaker at a seminar I attended, and he was publishing comics for a company where a couple of my friends worked, so I was able to, though it wasn't much more than a greeting. I did get to hear him speak a couple of times though, and I was aware he was gay - probably as much from my friends as from himself.
@@jackwells8107 oooh, that's cool!
There was a good reason Barker was so involved in the movie making process since before Hellraiser there were multiple adaptations of his work made and he hated all of them and thought they botched his work so he decided screw it I’ll do it myself
"He facial and elder god" I lost my shit at that line
For me it was "He bukkaked a Lord of Darkness". The tonal shift is masterful.
“He war-painted an Eldritch horror” is my personal favorite!
I mean, blowing a load all over an eldritch horror was never on my bucket list BEFORE...
If I die and go to Hell, first thing I'm doing is busting a fat nut all over the Lord of Darkness.
Now this is how you start a weekend. Work finished, Take out pizza for tea and a new Lost in Adaptation episode. :)
Wow that’s what I did too!
amen
By his own admission, Barker is not into ladies, so that's why Craig is often undressed and the ladies are not. The first Hellraiser also had nude men (well, Frank) and next to no nude ladies.
That might be why in Clive Barkers films (I have not read his books) the male form is filmed very seductively whereas the female form is usually just kinda there.
That explains so much about Hellraiser
It's a very refreshing change.
Ok so throughout literally this whole video I was just thinking how it kinda reminded me of Hellraiser (A movie which I've only heard a sinopsis of and a book I've only read the first chapter of) specially the part where he gave the god dude a facial and now it all makes sense.
Refreshing
The main character looks so much like David Boreanas that I had to look at least twice to make sure it was not him.
I had to double check the Bones IMDB to make sure his character wasn't named Boone. lol Maybe he really IS immortal and bad at hiding it.
Who is david boreanas? i just knor boreanz
That's not Angel that's uncle Keith from One Tree Hill
Ned Barks he played angel on buffy and he was in bones
Me too!
The Dom, I want you to know you were very much one of the reasons I managed to quit heroin and xanax (which I quit coldturkey Januari this ýear) thanks for your entertaining videos. I wish I could help by donations but I am on social well fare at this moment and are half a year sober from drugs with a handful relapses but I'm managing for now. I always try to remove adblock whenever watching your videos until I have a stable income to become a patreon.
Much love from Sweden.
mglfjgklfd jflkjglkfd Dude congrats on getting sober thats really impressive. All the best.
That’s amazing! I wish you all the best for the future!
That is amazing! Keep it up!
That's amazing. Remember a relapse doesn't mean starting over. You can do this. The biggest thing you need to avoid is boredom. That's when most people relapse. Stay busy and take care of yourself. Again, congrats!!
Good luck with the journey. 😀
Thank you for working in the "Hedges are not scary" line into this episode.
AsherStarchild , is that hedge remark referring to the topiary in The Shining??
Jamie Braswell Yes
David Cronenberg as Deckerd was the Tim Burton Scarecrow we never got.
I honestly found him intimidating in his manipulative nature. It’s far more realistic in nature with actual serial killers (specifically the likes of Bundy). And for someone who doesn’t do acting as his day job, Cronenberg had grace and smarmy attitude to play the part
Since this villain was supposedly a psychiatrist and you mentioned Scarecrow and Tim Burton, I can only assume you are referring to the Batman villain Professor Jonathan Crane.
@@barneynedward Yep.
I can understand the rating concern, as getting higher than a R is practically a death sentence for films released in wide distribution, as most theaters won't play the film. Doesn't make them right, but still.
Few theaters would refuse to play an unrated film that promised high ticket sales -- the "death sentence" came from local newspapers with policies against running ads for any film without an MPAA rating. No newspaper ads meant potential audiences wouldn't even know such films were playing, let alone be able to look up showtimes, so ticket sales were guaranteed to suck. Now that we all get our movie showtimes online, the MPAA rating system will hopefully lose its stranglehold on movie theater programming.
I'm glad Clive Barker's young adult books are way toned down. The Abarat is nothing like his adult novels
There is a longer version out there, THE ULTIMATE CABAL CUT - containing all known existing and restored footage (3hrs, 19mins).
It makes the previous versions seem like teaser trailers.
Theatrical Cut - 1hr 41mins
Director’s Cut - 2hrs 00mins
Integral Cut - 2hrs 13mins
Leaked Cabal Cut - 2hrs 25mins
Official Cabal Cut - 2hrs 25mins (different footage to the leaked version)
ULTIMATE CABAL CUT - 3hrs 19mins.
Thank me later 👍
#occupymidian
#cinemageddon
Gore AND themes of a sexual nature you say? My Friday night's off to a rousing start.
"Oh, sweet Midian,
I burn for thee at heart.
Don't despair me.
Come bare me on wings of graveyard robbed leather
To where pleasure rings deep secrets
In spurts, after dark..."
I love Clive Barker so much I named my two trees after him
I mean, when you’ve got Cronenberg, it’s kind of hard to avoid ham-fisting “BADGUY” over his character no matter how weird your movie is.
I highly recommend the book, few things have disturbed me as much as the POV bits from Deckers perspective, the way he describes how his weird psychology works, how the mask talks to him and forces him to murder (it ovbviously doesnt) and punishes him when he disobeys, and how he describes that when he is about to kill he gets an erection he calls his murder hard, how being seen with his murder hard is part of what makes him want to kill the witness, the descriptions of him smelling his excitement in spit drenched mask when he puts it on, and just how vile he is. And i am confident in saying that i have read a lot of disturbing stuff but this stuck with me
Book is great, but movie is Just like hellraiser movies, cheesy, crappy with laughable make UP...
'The Perks Of Being A Wallflower' springs to mind for being another film written and directed by the author.
This isn't a video request, just pointing that out.
Had the book , the book on tape, still have the comic books, the video with Clive's intro, and the DVD/Blu-Ray Version that is quite different from the theatrical cut. By the way, the book contained a short story called "The Last Illusion", which Clive adapted and directed into the movie "Lord of Illusions". I'm a fan. THANK YOU!
Lord of Illusions is a great movie. At least to me. Wouldn't mind a lost in adaptation of that.
The Last Illusion was included along with a couple of other stories to pad out the length for the American release of Cabal. The Last Illusion was originally published as a part of Barker's Books of Blood.
And yes, even though Lord of Illusions has very little in common with The Last Illusion aside from some character names and a dead magician, it is still a really good film. Always watch the extended cut!!!
@@jamiebraswell5520 Lord of Illusions is definitely a good book on a deal either one or read the other one but yes Clive has a good mind and idea even if he didn't like it he already did a good job cuz he has fans loving it I love in the Lord of illusions at the beginning when he has that baboon tied up my favorite scene but the whole movie is Awesome
I ADORE Lord of Illusions, but that's because I watched the Director's Cut! Watching it with Clive Barker's commentary I couldn't believe how many of the scenes the Producers cut were vital to characterization or to the plot! Seriously, almost ALL characterization and a good HALF the plot were GUTTED. Most reasons people didn't like the Theatrical Cut, come from Producer Interference. It's such a great Noir horror movie!
Many years ago, a well-read friend lent me the novel with a glowing recommendation. Thanks to this video, I finally understand the plot.
Honestly after the shit I've seen online,Jizz Covered Immortal being isn't that weird IMO
It gets a B- at best
Not even the weirdest thing i've seen in a Barker book.
Lucifer and Pinhead getting into a fight so fucking hardcore that it destroyed a distant planet and caused the universe to be "unmade" probably takes that.
The Island of Dr Moreau would be a good lost in adaptation I think (There are three adaptations and I would ideally like to see The Dom do ether a separate lost in adaptation for all three of them like he did with Total recall or do what he did with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, if he only did one though I think the 1970s version would be the best even though its overlooked a lot cos its the most like the book I think and it also is the least outlandish sticking to the theme and genre of the book the 1930s one makes it a outright horror movie and the 1990s one is a bit silly and ridiculous I think)
There's multiple film versions of both books.
My first introduction to that story was actually a YA book adaptation!
Could you do a Lost In Adaptation of Howl's Moving Castle next?
I loved both the book and the Ghibli animated movie and would love to see you try to find the similarities and differences between the two to see if it's a faithful adaptation.
Damn Son I actually did that ep awhile ago bit Studio Ghibi made me take it down. Its available on Patreon and to people who meet me at conventions.
I see... That's too bad. But still, thanks for making it!
Hey Dom, you mind reviewing the Animorphs book series? It was like one of the most popular series from the 90s!
It's definitively not as faithful adaption but they're both good
Oh yes that really dark series about child soldiers trauma and war crimes and blood and guts
Dom, do you think your confusion between _Decker_ and _Deckard_ has anything to do with the fact the character’s full name is *Phillip K. Decker* which sounds remarkably like Phillip K. Dick who created the character Rick Deckard for Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
I adore Clive Barker's lack of shame in indulging his kinks. Truly inspiring!
I cannot express how much I appreciated the emphasis on the "weirdest scene". It paints a perfect picture, but more importantly it also makes me giggle.
I can't click on your new uploads quickly enough! Great job as always!
not gonna lie, giving a facial to an Elder God wasn't something i was expecting to hear this week.. & im not sure if i mean that in a good or bad way
still, amazing review as always
Anyone else think Craig Sheffer(who played Boone) looks like David Boreanaz(who played Angel on Buffy)
Dan Skelley Actually yes, that was driving me mad.
And having a character jizz on an elder god's face isn't even the weirdest thing Clive Barker has thought up (I say as someone who's read almost everything he's ever written...twice).
Kissoon and his Lix!
This was quite a fun review. I kinda like the therapist being a villain. Probably because my therapist aunt always joked that it takes crazy to know crazy and I've met a few therapists that gave me quite creepy vibes. It's not all therapists, but they do have some traits that make for good villains.
I've never seen the film or read the book (although I remember the movie coming out at the time), and from the moment they mentioned it, I pegged the therapist for the killer. It's not even an uncommon trope. I've seen it done on TV. Hero has memory blackouts. Hero is seeing therapist. There are murders during the blackouts. Given the guy's the hero and having blackouts, it pretty much screams he's not the killer, so who else is there?
I always read "therapist" as "the rapist" by accident so I read your post as "I kinda like the rapist being a villain" and was rather confused for a second.
Played by David Cronenberg too.
Then you might enjoy the works of Thomas Harris centered around Hannibal Lector. There are books, movies, and a three season tv series to pick from.
Harleen Quinzel aka Harley Quinn was the Joker's therapist
Subtlety is not Barker's fare. Also, he hates cats to a degree that is... kinda weird.
His brand of shock value is a tad too much for my taste, but I can see the alure. And Hellraiser is a horror classic.
Yet Hellraiser has the same problem as Cabal, in that Barker-as-Director just can't live up to the vision of Barker-as-Writer. Although I will say, in both cases Barker's smart choices in film composers does do a LOT to help shore up some of the weaknesses in his filming technique.
In particular, it's really hard to imagine Hellraiser without Christopher Young's score.
The flick looks like a horror classic written well enough to be iconic. and very entertaining.
I definitely would like to see The Dom to do an Lost In Adaptation video on Hellraiser somewhere down the line.
+GuardianAngel871 For what it's worth, Cinefix did a "What's the Difference?" on Hellraiser a couple years ago.
I'm not much into gore but I enjoy Hellraiser quite a bit.
Clive Barker was probably the nicest person in Hollywood. And this isn't the only adaptation of his that he also directed. I was an extra on Lord of Illusion. That's where I first met him.
That sequence with all those synonyms for ejaculation... you put way too much thought into that, didn't you? XD
A new Lost in Adaptation video? My day just got a whole lot better!
Always happy to see a new video when I'm having a really bad day! I'm glad this is a long one, too! Keep up the great work. ❤
So I was watching this and past videos while I'm the hospital after my surgery. I had a nurse stop checking me and ask for the a link to the page...you my friend are welcome...I got my whole nurse team watching you by the time I went home.
Ctulth bukkake T-Shirt sales when?
Ctulth?
I don't think the Dom knows what bukkake is based on his use of the word in the video.. Let's better not explain it.
Oh he knows.
Suddenly I wanna form a black metal band called Cthulhu Bukkake...
Hey, don't diss the McDonald's Moon. That was legendary creature actor Doug Jones's first gig. Without it, so many movies we love today wouldn't be the same. :D
The Dom: Mentions Baphomet
Every D&D Player Watching: *war flashbacks*
Have you seen The Perks of Being a Wallflower? That's apparently another adaptation written and directed by the original author.
Dom: "You really have to wonder about Clive Barker"
Me: So... not too familiar with his work, huh?
It's kinda like only knowing H.R. Giger for the design of Alien.
Just finished the first episode of Green Wing. Thanks for the rec! :D
It only recently occurred to me that Cabal is probably an analogy to the 80's gay scene. Barker came out as gay in the early 90's, meaning while writing the book he was a closeted homosexual.
The Nightbreed are a different, strange and shunned people, hated and feared by society. Boone finds out something about himself (thinking he is a monster), and leaves 'regular' society to life among his own kind, who he finds to be a eclectic and wonderful lot, rather than the monsters that society deems them.
It's obviously not an exact match, but I imagine that it was a significant part of Barker's inspiration when writing.
you are not wrong dude, I think that is exactly the point of Cabal and the movie, wich is why I love the book.
Wait a second, you're from Merseyside too?! Where in the name of diction did you get the sexy version of the British accent?
School I expect.
theoriginalsuzycat makes me think of the comedian hugo boss being a brummie
Somehow I can't stop hearing the song "Kill the Beast" from Beauty and the Beast when the Dom is describing the lynch mob forming in this movie.
This isn't the first time I've heard Baphomet pronounced that way. Aurelio Voltaire says it the same way when talking about the deamon of the same name.
Always makes me happy to find another Voltaire fan :D he makes his own rendition of Baphomet in his show Gothic Homemaking, if anyone's interested
"The name Baphomet was imported into English through Old French. This is relevant to how Baphomet should be pronounced. Baphomet is often mispronounced as Ba-foe-met. The correct pronunciation of Baphomet, instead, should follow the French pronunciation, which means that the final 't' should not be pronounced."
I must say I do like how you've shortened the intro which is much better as the original was too long. Personally not a massive fan of the intro its a bit too explosion-ey for my taste (my word. you can't use it) and feels a bit too much like the critics or film brains intro.
Loved the review though 😁
although at 23:36 with his semen landing on the gods face... From your description, I immediately just felt a blank cross my mind before it rebooted with "What?".
That feels... random. the tone of the scene described just went from creepy and serious to a weird awkward... VERY strange sensuous place for certain people... That is the best description I have for that scene. Even that I feel is ineffective, it's just that bizarre.
I mean, this is the dude that wrote The Hellbound Heart (which is basically book version of Hellraiser) in which something sorta similar happens in the first chapter.
2:12 "Well. Done. FOX."
There are SO many instances of western history where those three word can and should be said in exactly that order.
I keep seeing "Nightbreed" as "Nightbread" 😂
Why?
Herohammer Studios - I'm not too sure. Maybe it's my eyes or it's just me reading too quick.
Goddamn it! Now I want bread! Damn you!
lovetolovefairytales : yyaassss
Pixie Bubbles when you want a midnight snack that isn't too unhealthy.
I went out and got the book before I watched this review. He's pretty spot on. Cabal is well-written and creepy but then again, it's Clive Barker so that's nothing new.
I saw the Cabal Cut in a viewing with several of the actors there. It was pretty cool.
Just a quick note, I may be wrong but I think bukkake specifically refers to multiple people ejaculating on someone. This isn't the slightest bit important, I'm just a stickler for my sexual terminology!
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about the gay subtext, or did you think it handled it well in both?
I think he just missed the subtext, he's said he's done it before XD.
I enjoyed Cabal but that subtext was nearly just plain text, especially considering his relationship with Decker and his inability to perform with his girlfriend lol.
This is my favourite book and one of my favourite movies, so honestly I'm stoked to see you reviewing them.
“He’s the fucking moon, from the MC Donalds commercials!”
I love that line 🤣.
I realize it's over 4 years since this was uploaded, but honestly when it comes to Clive Barker I'd like to see your take on the 1992 movie Candyman and the short story that inspired it, The Forbidden.
This had to be the weirdest episode you've done The Dom and that's saying a lot
The first Clive Barker book I ever read. Didn't know there was a movie.
... I feel I must note that Dom doesn't actually deny he's building a puppy-cannon.
Every time you called Decker Deckard I thought of Blade Runner. And then five minutes later I found out Rutger Hauer had died. :(
A Dom upload always brightens my day.
This is the one I've been waiting for. Nightbreed is one of my favorites, yet none of my friends has even heard of it.
the nightbreed not wearing dreadlocks seems to be Beavis's father
I’ve read the book, but never saw the film. I still want an anthology TV program with episodes based on his short stories, then my life would be complete.
Decker's mask looks like the Cillian Murphy Scarecrow mask from the Nolan Batman films.
Funfact: In german the movie is called: Cabal - Die Brut der Nacht (the breed of the night)
I always thought that the preacher would have been perfect for the role of Garth Ennis' THE PREACHER.
I'd absolutely love to see you do a Hellraiser vs The Hellbound Heart episode if you're ever so inclined. I've been wanting to suggest it for a long time. I'd be more than willing to provide the book and movie to you!
Allison Bennett
"What's the difference" made an episode of that comparison :)
Can you please do a outsiders lost in addition please
Keep up the great work Dom, can't wait for you to do Metro 2033. Must be interesting to play an adaptation.
Daniel Lado That sounds fun
I think this is shared in the same universe as the Hellraiser series. Because semen being used as a catalyst for a rebirth or preservation was also done in the original Hellraiser novella (Hellbound Heart). A lot of this actually screams Barker's writing style and I wouldn't be surprised if it ran on the same magical logic.
Fox you absolute bastards, Cabal is a damned amazing book and I'm surprised dark demonic things didn't happen to you for that interference.
Well done Dom for getting through this adaptation we all know how horror-phobic you are have a hug from me 🤗
This was excellent work as usual, props to the patron that chose it. You're analysis of Barker's writing style really feels spot on to me. The man is a genius and I love his work, but in a lot of them there are just those moments where I read something SO off putting that I then have to put the book down and leave it for a few weeks or longer.
When I first saw Buffy I was halfway convinced that David Boreanaz was an actual vampire because of Craig Sheffer.
Reading these comments is so validating because I kinda assumed I was the only one.
Not a single mention that David Cronenberg was the actor for Decker. Weird.
Clive Barker is one of my favorite writers but yes he is a patron saint of perverts. I also like his paintings.
Wonder how CLIVE is?
A Lost in Adaptation of City of Ember would be really cool. As would one of The Tripods. Really anything post-apocalyptic would be interesting.
I am very tempted to suggest your catch phrase should be " Hedges are not scary!"
I really love it when you say it because it creates a great bit of meta I think.
I noticed this thing where with male authors, if sex is featured in the book, it seems always to be weird af and makes me feel like I am their therapist in the unlucky position of needing to talk with them about it . . . but all books of haruki murakami I read featured the same weird hang ups about sex.
dan simmons hyperion chantos has multiple weird things, but one infamous scene that is not only weird but also makes no sense at all.
We do not even need to start with heimlein.
GrrM but at least he is infamous for it so one can avoid it.
Stephen king and his underaged sewer gangbang of friendship as well as the water corpse . . .
its not even the works of fiction where it would make sense or you'd expect it, no some of the most proclaimed sci fy and horror and suddenly wheam a compleatly weird sex thing that does not seem to be weird for the sake of the story, but the author . . . .
not saying female authors do not write weird af stuff, but with them, thats usualy the whole point of the book then, at least from my experience . . .
This is my favorite review by you ever. Oh my god you were just excellent in this one.
I absolutely love Clive Barker. He can fit numerous descriptions into a paragraph while it takes Stephen King a full page. I really hope we can get a 'The Great and Secret Show' movie. That could be an epic 2 part movie and then you have 'Everville' after that. I guess I'll have to try and write for my own sanity.
Those books are fantastic. Weaveworld too.
Oh please tell me you're going to do Hellraiser
If you are interested the RUclipsr "Cyborcat" has been slowly doing reviews on all of the Hellraiser movies, she hasn't finished though, she adds interesting info on the behind the scenes stuff and the differences and continuity between the different sequels.
It's not a Lost in Adaptation review, but you might find it interesting.
I have seen her review of it. But everyone has a different interpretation of the movie. thank you though
I think there's a "What's the Difference?" episode that did that, actually.
I never knew the movie was a book until about four years ago. And I loved the movie for years.
I read the novella, but somehow forgot the undead money-shot towards the end. Thanks for bringing that memory back.
The pearl necklace.... Wow.... That is the most weird thing I've ever seen in the book...
I can't help but feel like having the "monsters" actually turn out to be monsters (in the moral sense) by running around murdering literally untold amounts of people, kinda undermines their supposed moral high ground over the humans here. And in turn it undercuts the touted message that humans are the real monsters. Because the monsters are also the real monsters....
Oh my goodness the whole money shot segment had me in tears. Thank you Dom
I love Barkers work. Galilee is AMAZEBALLS... as is the Abarat series. I am obviously missing some of them but those are two of my favourite one for sure... Imagica is an awesome experience too. Great synopsis as usual. 👍🏻
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