Shoot like Lars Anderson with Wider Nocks
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2015
- How to shoot arrows rapidly like Lars Anderson?
Archery tutorial in 2015
1. Make ultra wide nocks & and put all your arrows on your string hand.
2. Use Slavic draw and put arrow on opposite side of med draw without arrow rest
3. Reverse tilt the bow and don't try this on heavy bows
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Lars Andersen is a great archer. The point of this video is to show you that Lars Andersen uses modified wide nocks shaped like a V to improve his fire rate especially for making a RUclips video. Actually he uses both normal and modified nocks, depending on how many arrows he is shooting. He is very skilled. The problem with these nocks is that they increase your chance of dry firing which is a safety issue with warbows.
Fire rate for combat is more relative to how strong you are, because you need to keep in mind that the draw weights archers were pulling for warfare are usually above 100 pounds, because enemies historically wear shields and armor. Most of the time spent is pulling that draw weight. Lars Andersen pulls a 20 pound bow. There is a big difference. He can penetrate chainmail because those chainmail depicted are not riveted chainmail. Also chainmail are known to be weak in preventing arrow wounds. This is because you can design an arrow with a head that is very very small designed to penetrate specifically chainmail. Out of all the things, why did he shoot chainmail, armor that has holes?
I attempted to interview him when I was in Northern Europe. Unfortunately he declined saying that his technique will be kept "secret".
There is no single " The Lars Method", or set in stone tutorial on his technique because he shoots many ways depending on the situation, and his archery has many variations.
Lars is a great archer. Many people are wondering how he can speed shoot arrows so fast. This video is not about his claims, this is about explaining his usage of wide gap nocks.
I am no expert. The whole thing is very complicated.
I am done with speed archery. The speed archery community is full of young people who are very sensitive, many who only believe what they see, and not thinking about the scenes behind. I interview bowyers and archers now for this channel. 
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+That Archery Channel Very nicely put I like what you showed here. And what you wrote here as well.
+Josh Campbell thanks
+That Archery Channel So he uses "modified nocks". Big f'ing deal.
Ever hear the saying : "If it's a dumb idea and it works, it's not a dumb idea." Military personnel often go to great lengths to find such "dumb ideas."
If you think he's a putz, then let's see you do better.
+That Archery Channel Do you have actual proof he used wide nocks or are you simply equating "I think this is impossible" with "this is actually impossible"?
+That Archery Channel the military even replaced the bow with a cross bow. why would you make things difficult and practice so hard to make them easy? LOL if you can catch up to his speed without modified nocks then you can call him a fraud and a pussy who just resorted to innovation. lars just demonstrated practicality instead of fancy myths we have in hollywood and all technology made in olympic style archery
Not cheating. He modified his equipment to meet the desired outcome. This is intelligence.
+Jerry Mungo Nobody denying this.
+Jerry Mungo It wouldn't be effective in combat at all if the opponent is armored though, it's trickshooting only.
+HarbingerOfTruth1 Got the monopoly on the truth, do you? I'm sure he could slow down enough to stick one through the eye holes of your helmet. The Mongols conquered a major part of the world using similar techniques. The Egyptians also did pretty good shooting from their chariots. Speed and accuracy combined with mobility are big advantages in combat no matter what type of weapons you are using.
teejay Trujillo The mongols type of archery wouldn't do shit to proper armor, but also they shot from horsebacks so having something like a longbow would be shit. All of these knew perfectly well how this could work and how it could not, why can't you several centuries later do the same?
+teejay Trujillo You do realize the bow he is using is not powerful enough to actually get through armor or kill someone right? (When he does the demonstration of the power the scale looks to be in the range of 20 pounds. Maybe more but I highly doubt that it is above 40.) A proper bow that was used to get through armor is at least 100 lbs if you want to have a hope of getting through plate armor, chainmail, and gambeson underneath. And if someone is going to try and shoot through a visor either one that have to have fantastic accuracy or be at point blank range. And if you have a bow and you see a guy within 10ft of you and you still have your bow out... Your fucked. Royally fucked.
I was wondering about the nocks. This vid explained it to me more than Lars' awesome vids. Now we are getting somewhere without buying a book
Yeah he is very secretive about his technique
Even though he uses these types of nocks, he is still extremely accurate and fast at shooting, something that would take a lot of practice to do.
Why on earth would you say "Debunked" in the title? As if there's a lie being uncovered..... if you read the book "Arab Archery" from his videos, which I have, it talks about the Mongols using wide knocks first to increase their rate of fire when knocking an arrow in battle. Not all war archers used 100LB bows man. A lot of horseback archers used lighter bows so that, for instance, when an archer would ride past his enemy, often they would lay back on the horse and shoot to the back where the armor was typically lighter or non existent.... I've emailed with Lars several times throughout my war bow journey and he's very legit. You're right about strength, but maybe forgetting how strong these archers of old are. Either way, I like your channel..... Maybe just don't be so quick to call something an insinuating thing like Debunked. You didn't debunk anything. He's very transparent with his draw weight and strength.
+Oregon State Troopers 1 / Bundy 0 I guess you also believe the earth is flat. Maybe you should write your comments AFTER you learn something about the basics. Actually i think you have never seen an arrow being shot.
Actually it is pretty easy to catch an arrow mid-air, as long as it is not too fast (e.g. from a compound bow, which was not used). It is like saying you cannot catch a ball. But I guess you know better.
+Jeff Carruth lars is not cheating. let us say that this kid can match up lars' speed without modified nocks then we can say lars' is not really challenging
+Ender Skies good eye fellow human with a brain. Also did you know that he was shooting at iron wool by any chance (you did didn't you)
+Ender Skies if i can catch a baseball being hit coming back to me at 100+mpg from the pitchers mound, i think catching an arrow being shot not at full force at you is...you know...very plausible
I'm a year late the discussion but it appears to me that speed shooting must be a myth if the people doing it were ONLY using 120lbs. war bows. OR, maybe they did practice, hunt or shoot unarmored individuals with these techniques and modification. So you either need to slam the door on speed archery being viable during wars (after the gates have fallen or wall has been breached) or realize that not all people could afford armor in those days as well as when they wanted to pillage a village killing the men and raping the women, most likely, none or very few of those people had armor and a weaker bow would have done just fine.
I appreciate your video. it clarified alot of the doubts I had about Lars' methods, and gave me a deeper understanding about speed archery. I dont understand all the hate your getting for this video, you dont slander Lars, if anything, you point out that, while very talented and deserving of recognition, Lars' video was misleading.
Cuz he looked like a kid. He gets a lot more respect now as he grown into a man
I'm not sure the Indians and the Mongols used the "normal" plastic nocks you're talking about. The plastic nocks I've used actually grip on to the string in order to use mechanical releases.
+teejay Trujillo They would not use plastic no, but they would cut a nock into the end of a wooden arrow that would grip the string in EXACTLY the same way. Do a search on how to make arrows and it shows you how to do this.
I had a book when I was a kid, I'm 53 now, that gave pretty detailed explanations on Indian culture and tools. Some arrows were blunt for hunting birds, some were just sharpened for fishing and others with arrow heads. The fletching and the nocks were also explained with sketches to accompany the text. None of the nocks appeared to be very deep or tight.
For low powered bows it matters very little what you do really.
I'm pretty sure people back then didn't know what plastics are.
@@teej783 Afaik, they had several different types of arrows and fletching and bows. They used recurve bows long before the Mongols made them famous. Recurve bows themselves are much older. Ultimately everyone would do whatever it took to gain any sort of advantage over the enemy and that's how a lot of innovations happen.
lars did show a video of him showing the nock before shooting
However, he only shot specifically 1 arrow in that specific footage
He is doing that to make you think all of his shootings/footages are made with normal nocks
You're wrong. The picture you show of supposed 1/2" nocks are not nocks at all, but fletchings. The angle simply makes it hard to see the actual nocks.
wrong. he adimtted
I heard about that claim, and then I investigated the Facebook account that made it. It's a fake. The account holder says: "Haha this kid learns fast 5 arrows in 4 seconds NOT from Lars Andersen."
Now tell me, why would Lars Anderson refer to himself in the third person? And why would he be excited about you shooting 5 arrows in 4 seconds? That's not exactly a glowing recommendation for his style.
Also, why did he not have a Facebook account before January 29th when he is a programmer and RUclips video editor?
facebook.com/pages/Lars-Andersen/396183853892022?fref=nf
Wow u have a lot of spare time
+That Archery Channel dude just because he is better than you doesn't mean you have to complain and make reasons about it
and really a twenty LB bow cant penetrate wood at thoes distances.
Thanks man. You keep historical archery alive.
Why wouldn't an archer use his own arrows? It's like... the most obvious thing ever. Use your own arrows to suit your own shooting style. There is no "cheating", LOL.
+F0nkyNinja Nobody said it would be cheating. The guy in this video even said he was hoping arrow manufacturers producing those modified arrows.
@@thatree4157 I say it's cheating cause he claims it was a real forgotten archery technique in combat and he reinvented it, which is nonsense. And his skills are circus shows only called trickshooting and not real archery. There are women shooting bow even with help of their feets in programs such Britain's Got More Talent and it's impressive but NOT archery at all
@@arkadiuszcichocki7561 yeah well shooting fast and being able to use the bow very well and being able to aim in one second is still better than an olympic archer trying to shoot someone from ten meters, won't you say?
Actually, it's better if the archer DIDN'T use self-modified arrows. If he did, he wouldn't be able to recycle the enemy's arrows like lars did. Lars used different arrows in the fast shooting video, and different arrows for everything else. Basically, lars' fast shooting won't work in the battlefield. Well, at least until he runs out of his own arrows. After that, he won't be able to shoot as fast as he did with his own arrows
@@kindaedgy3548 historical arrows likely weren't knocked with little plastic notches. Plus, it's not like he can't shoot the normal way when using other arrows.
Very, VERY clearly laid out, man. Big +1
Glad to see a young man using some creativity! Keep going! Good for you. I watched Lars when his first vids came out and I always wonded what his nocks looked like. There were Native American tribes that did nocks similar to what you have done with duct tape. I don't recall what tribes. I have seen picts of artifacts that match closely to what you have created here.I am going to play with this a little this summer.
this guy deserves a lot more love
The other problem not mentioned even with special knocks is the fletching placement. The arrows only shoot with three feathers from one side without smashing the feather at 90 degrees to the knock.
2 fletch or no fletch for speed knocking is key to do it much faster
also eastern arrows usually only had 2 flechings@@Keeperofrighteousness
What does the enlarged nocks do to the flight pattern? I'd imagine something really big at the end would throw off the arrow, but Lars seems to use them.
Difference is that lars hit the center of stuff, you dont hit shit :)
fearsomepowi it´s called filming
making the footages look perfect
fearsomepowi also, find another person except me or lars andersen who can speed shoot 9 arrows
The Archery Channel Go look at his response video showing a bit more raw footage. You claim that its all B.S. is bunk. I think you are seriously discrediting the fact that Lars is a very talented archer. Look in to the manuscripts in Arab archer and other cultures. Its obvious he doesn't "re-discover" any ancient archer techniques but that's not the point of his video.
Roasted
That's not the fcking point
And I've debunked how Eddie hall can deadlift more than me. He chalks his hands before he grabs the bar...
Who says that the arrows of old times look like the modern day arrows? And it's not like he has to stick to a standard arrow like in a competition. In those days an arrow was released to kill your opponent, not to wait for him to hit his mark. You made your arrows as good as possible for the situation, and instead of shaping the situation after the archery - standing still with a fixed target in competition.. You should shape the archery after the situation you face, therefore adapting both bow and arrow as well as technique, as it would be the only way for survival.
You see what you want to see, and I saw a quick skilled archer, and I saw the ideas that led to his success. That is not cheating
We have arrows from then...
never said its cheating
Damn, Do you always do a line of coke before you make a video?
Its been 3yrs but this comment almost killed me 😂😂😂
😂well said
I find this very informative, store bought arrows are always so tight in the nocks.
“It’s a very new type of archery I’m trying to Introduce”. Yeah it’s 10’s of thousands of years old. You definitely figured it out.
relative to conventional archery of 21st century
sure he uses modified arrows... yet, it is up to every individual which arrows to use... as long as they hit the target. I'd modify arrows as well if I could shoot like that.
beacuse higher chance of dry firng. I dare not to try this with my 140 lb warbows
the fact that you CAN'T do it, doesn't mean Lars can't do it. Many people can do things that are possible to maybe 5 people only in the entire planet.
+Daniel GoSilent I did it.
very, very slowly with huge ass nocks
Daniel GoSilent, true, he sounded like he was gonna cry
Yeah and lars also practiced for years this guy just shits on lars
I now shoot 140 lbs @ 32"
This is really interesting. I might get into archery just to try this out.
You very threatened by Lars, eh?
rdecredico, it sounded like he was about to cry
@@HistoricalWeapons yeah you are. doesn't matter how big your bow is now lil man. acting like you debunked him for having his own arrows. so what? he is still better than you even if he used your bow and arrows. don't be a salty boi. your skills are lacking compared to lars and you cant stand it. lmao
@@IIINEMESESIII don't do speed shooting anymore. Im working on breaking the 200lb draw weight world record at the moment. Different goals now
@@HistoricalWeapons cool story bro
It's funny how description says "Lars knows how to get views on RUclips" while he uses Lars' name for views
Dude gives a great explanation, and the comment section is like Brie Larson.
"Is this a personal attack?"
Lmao
Informative. Thank you!
By the way, Lars's video was just made 2days before this video. He said that the arrows are time consuming to make, he also would have had to make the nocks before the video. He also said at first that he was trying to show the world Lars's technique. But later said that he was trying to start a new form of archery. He is just using Lars as a sort of sponser for this new version of archery. And to get veiws
THAT was amazing! thank you so much for making and sharing this video! Loved it. you've got a lot of good info and you deliver it quickly and well. keep going strong!
thanks man support my channel
@@HistoricalWeapons I know this is a really late comment but, what's the process for making those wide nocks I can't find any info on how to do it
i imagine a traditional javanese arrow nock (that is optimized for pinch/primary draw) will be good for this with ome modification: 1. make the nock V shaped. 2. cut a small circular second nock in the V crease.
that way the big gaping V nock will function as a guide for the string to reach the small circular nock that will hold the string in place
anyway, good video!
Excellent video on describing/reasoning for those arrows.
its an old 6 year video, im thinking about remaking it
He is very clear on how he does things! And your knocks are way wider than the wide ones Lars uses!
Lars is talking and reviving ancient techniques, where do you think modern arrows or bows fit in? In other words why are you referencing that that the modern arrows are modified when such arrows did not exist then?
You seem a little too upset about a guy who just happens to be better at archery than you lol relax man!
+I hate RUclips and Google Plus He is showing better shooting methods. Nothing wrong about it.
+I hate RUclips and Google Plus There's nothing wrong about being a better or worse archer, nobody really cares about that petty bullshit. I have no respect for Lars, not because he's better with a bow than I'll likely ever be, but the fact that he's completely full of shit. He takes different styles of shooting and claims them as being a "long lost art" quoting pictures that directly contradict each other. He's talented, extremely talented, he should have just played it off as that instead of "reinventing archery".
Steve Oliver Nah.
Oregon State Troopers 1 / Bundy 0 Bro quit hating.
Ender Skies You're the fraud you accuse others of not knowing shit here you are spouting BS left and right. Ever hear of Genghis Khan and his unstoppable Mongolian horde? They didn't use 120 pd warbows to conquer the known world so just stfu
Thx for the vid. Very informative.
Hello future master of the bow. The Mongols where the masters. The English long bowmen had people feeding them arrows teams. Thanks you are a fact seeker and a person with dedication. You will go far. Peace and prosperity young man.
+Rob Smith Thank you too!
one very important thing that hurts you is that your not exactly proving anything if you are not being a good marksman, lots of people trying to "debunk" Lars, but there is nothing to debunk, he claims he learned about the technique from studying ancient pictures, you cant really debate this as a lot of those pictures?engravings?sculptures are the only thing remaining of that culture to study, none of his claims on the ancient stuff he claims to be is fact, except for what is in the archery books. its totally up to your interpretation, and if your interpretation translated into something that works then you can prove your thesis. speed shooting with a 20lb bow could help you capture groups of people running away from if you dont want to fatally injure them. you may need to shoot fast to get small game and birds(which could have been normal once?)there are uses to speed shooting in hunting and war, but lars himself claims hes not strong enough to pull a larger bow, so maybe a stronger person could? if you listen to the narration, all he is saying is that modern archers technique and principle/gear does not work well when moving (or jumping) and not as fun. and that shooting 3 arrows in 1.5 seconds is possible and practical. he "interpreted" that archers used to carry the arrow in the draw hand and proves this as practical. he also does it with professional accuracy (which no gimmick can fake). i think where he made his mistake was how he was disrespectful to modern archery (quiver myth, stand in one spot, use one eye, use one arm, gadgets galore ,only modern archers practice on targets etc..)and this sparked an out rage.but i dont think it was meant to be heard this way. he also does speak of his findings "with certainty" which makes it sound like hes saying its the best way, but then again, if you were going to convince a bunch of people something that you "believe" to be true, then you would speak about your findings with certainty too no?
i was blown away by Llars's archery video, and it did inspire me to take it up, i do traditional archery with a re-curve 50#, i stand in one spot and i try to use my back muscles and both arms as my instructor showed me, im not great ...yet. but after i can get my hands on a decent 20#-30# im totally going to try his method out too. archery is really fun and rewarding, i cant understand why there would be so much negativity towards him for it.
+Mathew Anderson Thanks for you comment, clearly you have put a lot of thought.
thing is.. can you shoot faster than Lars?
nah, I don't think so.
Amazing !!! thanks for the video
Hey man keep up your good work, love and I mean LOVE the way u explained it good job
Thanks check my more updated vid about this
The key to all is practice! Lars does this a lot and he's not afraid to try new, or different things. Good video, keep practicing!
yepp, it is like you who never worked out try to wrestle an olympic wrestlers......it is like man vs god
training hours a day give results, both in muscle memory and ofc stamina/strength
just like that
*Proceeds to shoot 20 times slower then Lars
Me: ok
Ahhh, you were so close to getting it right. The issue with the "chainmail" in the video is that it is exactly that...it's costume chainmail..likely aluminium (could be knitted though, I can't see it properly.) and butted, not a very dense weave either. Historical mail however was not...weak against arrow fire. good mail armour could stop 80+lb bows from 15+ feet away...and it was difficult even with an 110lb bow to penetrate with consistency over 10-15 feet away. Hence the Crusaders looking like porcupines or pin cushions.
He chose to shoot "chainmail" because it's cheap and affordable costume wear, where as mail armour...not as cheap (often over 3,000$ for a hauberk.)
"I attempted to interview him when I was hitchhiking in Northern Europe. Unfortunately he declined saying that his technique will be kept "secret"." ....if this were true, it would seem rather strange...as he goes into his technique with relative detail.
I love that this guy is using this method
Dude, really disappointed by people who didn't get the point of this video. You showing why speed shooting requires the exaggerated V nock is not you completely bashing on the other guy. I've seen a few videos debunking Lars' work and they all have solid grounds to stand on but get like 50% or less Likes because of fandom or just internet douchebaggery. I mean, can't they look at the stuff with a more scientific line of thought in mind? That's ridiculous. Anyway, good work man.
+Dax Orien Thanks for your support man. I have moved on to this Lars Andersen stuff. I interview archers and bowyers now you can check my channel
+Dax Orien I realize part of the reason is because the first 4 seconds is a played fast video, and I think that turned off many people because they think I am trying to manipulate the footage by post editing
That Archery Channel It's possible. But still, 4 seconds does not a video make ^_^ they should've sat by and watched it all to be fair in their opinions of said video.
find someone that can 3D print the wide nocks.
deadeyetheclown LOL
so many ppl have them now. and you can make them to what you want. it would be perfect.
Here is a link to a stl file someone made for this. Might work better printing on it's side for more strength. www.thingiverse.com/thing:657858
Nice video. A Subbed. Could you show how you make your duct tape nocks ? are they centered or excentric to avoid bumping on the bow at the firing ?
Good job dude!
Very informative, and compelling. I've been waiting for a Lars breakdown. Awesome!
BullRonin thanks to support. me please like my videos
The 'secret' to speed archery is lots of practice, not nocking. You will never be as good as Lars is, even with your wide nocks.
Astrogirl1usa 1. lars uses them. 2. The 'secret' to speed archery is nocking.
The Bow Channel I think it is both. He can probably do it with almost normal nocks, but I bet ancient nocks were different than modern ones.
daniel tabin they are bigger but not much more than modern nocks, you could v shape them instead of u shape them for speed shooting, though.
I'm a little annoyed that this got so many dislikes. With so many anti-Lars Anderson videos floating about its easy to think this is one of them. He is simply describing what Lars' arrows are like and is promoting the style of archery.
I never would have thought the archery community was this...... sensitive.
Welcoming all ideas and methods will help the sport grow.
+Doktor Jeep thank you
+Doktor Jeep its mostly kids who watch lars andersen stuff on youtube. they will put thumbs down without hesitating
I'm just going to lay this out there. It doesn't matter how long you've been doing archery. If you can't do a particular skill you have no opinion worth noting. It's like someone who can't rebuild an engine telling someone that can how wrong they are in the way they do something. Second. To all of those that talk about the weight of bows not being high enough to "qualify" as "real" bows perhaps you have forgotten some historical and modern archery facts. The Chinese infantry often had bows of 20-30 pounds for close in battlefield shooting while the main archers fired from a distance. The African bushmen don't use heavy poundage bows because they don't have access to good bow making materials. And they still used their bows to kill lions and game and the British colonist invaders. The tribes in the Amazon don't use high poundage bows and they drop game. Sure they use poisons, but that's just a part of the game. The Mongolians and Huns had two bows. A lighter weight bow that could be shot from horseback on the move and a heavier bow to do flight shooting (another military skill used to sling arrows further than the enemies bow range). The plains indians of North America used a small flatbow with a tiny arrow and a bow weight under 50 pounds to kill their enemies, including Colonel Custer. That being said it's important for a military archer to be able to reload fast in order to shoot at rapidly incoming troops. Sure Lars Anderson is exceptional with a bow and has acquired many skills in his own experimenting. A 25 pound arrow will still put an arrow into you at 50 yards. And Lars could put several into you before the average western archer can even load and draw. The Mongols and Huns and Arabs started shooting bows from the time they were able to draw. Why does it seem like it's not possible for a group of people to be able to shoot rapidly when they grew up shooting? The Saracen archery manual, which can be found online for free in PDF format, was a military training document. The standard for a Saracen archer was to be able to shoot 3 arrows at a distance of 70 bow lengths before the first one touched the ground.
Now I'm going to piss off some people. Like I said I don't care how long you've been doing archery.
There are several skills to an archer. Shooting at non moving targets is BASIC archery at it's LOWEST level. From documents of the primitive people of warring and non warring types we know that they could shoot on the run, shoot flying birds and to those that were horse nations, shoot from horseback. The more advanced warring nations also developed flight shooting to out distance their enemies. So to be a more complete archer consider these skills.
1. Shooting a target while you are moving. The faster you move and the more you hit targets at faster speeds the more advanced you are.
2. Shooting moving targets. This could include game, birds or people. Don't say you can't practice this skill because if you look on youtube you will find bow hunting for birds and archery tag.
3. Flight shooting. It's all good to try and shoot an arrow farther than anyone else, but if you can't put an arrow in a 20 yard circle at any given distance than you don't really have any skill. The point of flight shooting was to put arrows into your enemies army. And since you weren't aiming at just 1 person it was an increased chance of hitting something. But you still had to get the arrow to the intended target without over shooting or under shooting.
4. (OPTIONAL) shooting from a horse or chariot. Of course not everyone has access to horses or chariots but you can try shooting from the back of a motorcycle, four wheeler or even a jeep or pickup truck. The jeep would be the closest thing to a chariot but would allow you to acquire the skills of shooting objects at various distances on the move.
Now this is just my opinion. And frankly I don't care if you don't like it. But shooting a stationary target is a very small part of being an archer. It's like the guy who goes to the gun range and shoots the one target for accuracy. Doesn't mean he's good at doing shooting on the move drills, reloads or building clearing.
Trip Maxwell Thanks for your sharing!
Shooting a stationary target while you are not moving is a very big part of a very good sport. A sport I might add that is alive and well. It might not have much to do with bow warfare as you describe but then again, how many people practice this today? One is a modern practiced form and the other is not. Compare apples to oranges but oranges are not bad, they are just not apples. It seems people don't see a place for apples in the world right now. Your opinion is a valid one and I see where you are coming from, it's just not where most archers are coming from.
No, but when those "archers" talk shit about the people that do these other things and do them well, especially when they can't or won't do those things, then they are invalid simply because they are "basic" archers with a singular skill.
Just like to add based on your quote 'If you can't do a particular skill you have no opinion worth noting' that Lars technique with olympic recurve is just awful and he explains basic errors as factual ways of shooting an olympic style bow. Given that he has no particular skill with this style I would say he doesnt have much opinion worth noting on that style. He is very good with his style but misguided in comparing it.
You see, there's another opinion that drives me bonkers. Technique. I've seen people do handstands on objects while shooting with their feet. Who gives a damn about "technique" except people who have only shot one particular way and think that their way is the only way. The idea of archery is to get an arrow from point A to point B. I don't care if the guy is turning his bow sideways and pulling the bow with his teeth. If he's hitting the target then the technique is irrelevent. Just like your opinion on how people need to stick to "technique".
Those are those nocks that clip to the string right? I use medieval bone nocks I never could get along wit those, it felt unnatural not steadying it with my fingertips
A lot of native American bows were only 30 pounds or so. They also used light weight reed arrows. A little bit of strength, and a 30 pound bow can be used for speed shooting, and 30 pounds is plenty of weight to kill at closer ranges.
Also your term of 'ancient' is kinda weird, because medieval history is not ancient, it's medieval... Antiquity hardly had any heavy bows.
+Jacen Solo the bows the ancient egyptians used took years too make, from natual materials like bone and sinew.... these being composite bows... along with creating the first bow to have 3 seperate shapes while in use.. look it up... oh and ther are mention of the bows being heavy enough to lift the archers own body weight and then some. so ??? werd that line come from?
Site your sources.
+Jacen Solo Actually ancient romans steal technology from their enemies, and since they had composite bows too, they had to meet culture that use it.
There are actually many sources that can prove existence of heavy-draw bows in antiquity. You can look at asian cultures, ancient India, middle-east cultures and also europeans thanks to romans stealings. There is so much sources of it, that I find weird that someone claim antiquity hardly had any heavy bows.
Are you from UK? Long bow nazzi? Or what makes you think that primivite weapon like bow could not be on high level in antiquity?
In my opinion humans learned to kill first, then they invented writing, it is natural order. You basically wanted source for something that existed before writing was invented. Bows are on cave paintings, and you suggest it is not enough time until antiquity to improve them?
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+Jacen Solo
You gave no sources of antiquity not having any "heavy bows" yourself.
Though I must point out. The Romans certainly used metal reinforced crossbows to an extent. This by itself would point to at least some attempts at developing heavy long range weapons, possibly with attempts at reinforcing what would have been "standard" bows of the time period. However the methods they chose to attempt it didn't work out how they wished.
Also what is "ancient" when talking about warfare. Does it mean bronze age, iron age, steel?
Well steel probably is the best cutoff in my mind for the ancient/medieval cutoff. But others would disagree, some things I read like to lock it somewhere around 500-800AD though. Others like to point it directly at Rome and before Rome as ancient, vs post Rome as medieval.
And where does the "Classical" era fit in with all this?
+Jacen Solo antiquity hardly had any heavy bows? proof?
what is up with the ratings, so many buthurt fanboys everywhere.
dqwers It appears to me that many people are confused at my stance in this video. I am explaining the mechanics behind the technique. That's it.
No emotion is necessary.
+dqwers its the video quality xD just how he rushes it, and how close he is to the camera but hes right
Yes I did noticed this the first time I saw his video... But I believe that the ancient war arrows had this format to facilitate shooting.
Also, what video did you pull that shot of the arrows from. Because I have searched every video made by Lars, and I cannot find it. I can't even find a video where he is wearing that shirt!
why are you teaching something you cant do?
Triggered because he's an asian that *doesn't* do it better 😂😂😂
Actually I shoot warbow weights. 140# @32 inches
Excellent video. I appreciate the fact that you are more honest than Lars Anderson. Anderson should tell people that he uses extra wide nocks.
Very nice video
Just jealous...
Maybe Lars is just much more talented than you!
hi Good stuff!, I will try this!, 3d printing the nock
Thanks for this 7 year old video. I like your analytical style. I just posted a question on Lars' channel about the nocks. The A.I. then sent me your video in my feed. Like you I was examining every frame because I knew that you can't get hung up with that detent on those stupid plastic nocks without losing speed and accuracy.
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@@HistoricalWeapons Thanks
this is an old video
Your definition of "ancient combat" is rather vague. The thing is, heavy bows were used by some peoples - say the English - when in warfare the archers would be positioned in a stationary formation and shoot in one group. Light bows, on the other hand, were used by, say, the steppes men, the mongols. Their compound bow, which was much powerful than the English long bow, was light enough to be fired while on horseback, which is what they did and on which most of their war tactics were based. Lars' shooting techniques would not be out of place among them, that's for sure. Now I get a lot of people are pissed off at Lars for claiming his style to be the best, and also for making some historical inaccuracies, but trying to claim he's just a trick shooter whose style has no place in history is just wrong and spiteful. A little objectivity is called for here.
Gambiteer The Mongols used Composite Bows.... and they are not more powerful than a warbow... the mongols didn't jump at walls and shoot, neither grab arrows mid air and shoot back... they just know how to shoot from horse back and thats it...
yep they are more efficient not necessarily powerful
The Bow Channel I didn't get a chance at shooting either, yet every source I know of asserts to the superiority in power of the compound bow.
The advantage of the composite bow is that it's smaller and it needs less draw length compared to other bows, which gives you mobility and the ability to shoot from horseback and chariots, something that you can't do with a longbow...
As for power there's no magic in the compound bow that makes you shoot with more power using less strength. If a bow have 100 pounds of draw weight you need to draw 100 pounds to shoot it...
Lars is not target shooting, not field shooting and certainly not hunting. So what's his point here? Is he planning on joining Jennifer Lawrence in some phantasy world war game? Real or staged, he is irrelevant to archery. Maybe he'll join a circus and wow the little kids, but anybody with any brains shouldn't be impressed.
The point is to make money. You gotta make a living somehow
+logan pollock he is reviving old style archery. because what the world knows is jennifer lawrence
+logan pollock Why should't I be impressed? Even if he is a trick shooter he still has a lot of skill.
+The Guy I 100% agree
+Crashandburn999 ????? How do you know he's a liar, do you watch him or follow him around.
its good that you are trying to figure it out...im quite inexperienced and I tried to do the speed shooting technique... as you say its better to hold arrows at the end so you can feel the orientation etc, but they are heavy and wobble around ! I figured already that modifying the nocks would help this situation... maybe it can be 3d printed ? its good to know this information that lars might not be using normal arrows, and also dry fire I need to be careful... it happened once already to me today and the arrow just sort of popped out and went sideways, because im noob at it I guess. My main bow is just some super expensive compound bow but its not so fun because you cant shoot wooden arrows at random objects.
Neat idea ! I don't understand how you make these. Is there an explanation I missed, or another video that covers this ?
just the small Wt. of a arrow can make that big of a diff. on a dry fire? a bow can break?
+indianchief741 yes, because upon release the arrow nock tends to shift
modern nocks are designed to click into the string perfectly tight
dry fire causes breakage
just keep in mind that in the days of old archers were not standing in one spot like a hunter or modern archer firing at slow moving or static targets they were in fact quite active on the battle field, IE, MR Kahnn and his horse warriors im sure their nocks were rather loose as well
Ok, I'm not so sure of if this affects greatly, but doesn't running or moving while shooting give you an advantage in some kind of way, like when kicking or throwing hoops. Because yeah, if you use a lighter bow your shots might not be strong enough to penetrate something, but wouldn't the force given by running or moving in that direction help you? Also when thinking about the archery he's referring, we are talking about soldiers mostly using leather and some chain mail,like Lars is not talking about taking down a full body-plated paladin or something...
If you look at the original video at 3:28 you can see the fletching gets blured out for some reason. Go check it out.
"Im pinching the nock. You see that?"
Me: No.
*Continues with video*
nice focus
Ive seen commercial nocks with a slit on the side opposite of the odd feather out to allow the nock to be loaded from the side. Lars is very good is able to do what he does because of modifications to archery equipment. He could not do the speed shooting with a heavier longbow and normal nocks.
Hi! Please, tell me, how to shoot on the right side of the bow? When i try it, my arrows fly to the right of the target
then just adjust where you aim amI would guess. I'm getting my bow soon and ai wanna fire at the right side as well, any progress?
He's been pretty transparent from what I've seen. Lars cites his sources, and in those sources it describes having wide nocks. Interestingly, everything in his video is described in his sources. These aren't his ideas at all. So if people want to take him apart, attack the point that he hasn't done anything new or derived from his own ideas. But if they think he's cheating or hiding things, then there's some bad news for you.
So Lars was using Turkish speed shooting plus ducttape. I didnt realized it before. Great video
Dood! You just became the second fastest speed shooter in the world! Congrats!
So many comments here seem to think you are attacking Lars. To me it seems like you simply wanted to point out that Lars has developed the technique and also developed arrows for it.
You also point out several times that these arrows should be produced.
The video was great!
Don't let the haters get to you. Most of them probably didn't watch the whole video.
You make some great observations, but could do with a more clean structure to avoid the misunderstandings.
so if one had a 3d printer and knew the "stecs" of the nock wouldn't that person/company be able to make ones that fit in the arrow?
And btw, thank you for the video.
Hey relex, what ever you do lar is the best Archer ever
Anyway to alter the bowstring to better compensate?
Not really a fan of Lars Andersen theories and what I'm about to say doesn't necessarily have anything to do with his world record shooting, but in his video there are a couple of shots showing that he grabbed a couple of arrows with normal notches that are visible in a close up, and proceeded to fire them also relatively quick.
With New technology as 3d printer, Can not print something for the bolt?
retitle this video, "im sad that im not as good as lars and instead of working hard to get better i made a video so everyone on youtube can listen to me cry about it".
if you want to make a lot nice nocks relatively easily (once you get the method down), take a piece of plastic or wood or clay and sculpt the desired shape of the nock, then make a mold of it. For low temperature purposes, a silicone mold will likely suffice (mix 3 dollar silicone caulking from walmart with corn starch 1 to 1, then add a splash of mineral spirits--I guess. its like a tablespoon per ten oz mix or something--working time is 15 minutes). Can then use the mold to pour polyurethane castings easily and cheaply. Can source pourable polyurethanes online. US plastics will ship you some, so will smooth-on brand distributors.
Primary challenges will be that the castings won't be exact replicas of the original until you figure out how to sculpt something that accounts for the casting materials shrinkage in the mold or other warping behaviors, but in principle the nock you're trying to make is something that lends itself well to casting. Also lots of vids on the tubes on how to cast stuff.
impressive
I like the way you think but ask yourself, maybe we got the arrows wrong. Maybe originally, hand made arrows for defense were wider nocks and we slimmed them down for the modern age?
Good video
Ancient archers probably devised a similar way to fire arrows that fast. Don't forget warfare is always about having the fastest, deadliest, scariest weapon so maybe the quivers were commonly used to keep more accurate bows and quick fire bows might have been hand held.
Tried to 3D print the nocks? PLA plastic is melting at 180 degrees so it wont dry fire. It's also quite hard and light so you can achieve any shape that you want.
Locking nocs, or modern standard nocs, are relatively new. older arrows use a cut noc that was wider. yes current speed shooting tends to need the much wider noc.
+Brad Poplin The "old" arrows also had nocks that clipped onto the string, just a cut in the end of the arrow instead of a plastic nock, the effect is exactly the same.
+Matthew O'Connell there is a difference, subtle though it may be. Before plastic nocks, the easiest thing to do was to cut/dig into the back of the wood/bamboo shaft and reinforce with sinew and glue, but it would not stay on without the archer controlling the arrow. Plastic nocks started out pretty similar, but after some R&D and changes in bowstrings, they ended up hugging the string. A proper nock fit today is when the nock is tight enough to hold its own weight (about .5 oz-2.5 oz/400-1000 grains) +a small tap on the string, probably 1/2lb or 8 oz/3500 grains. Mine is tighter than that :/.
Wooden nocks, called self nocks clip onto the string exactly the same as plastic nocks or do you think they pinched tge arrow to hold it on while drawing 180lb warbows?
+Matthew O'Connell I do think they pinched the arrow, but they used 3-4 fingers on the string such that the index finger was pushing down on the arrow and the middle finger was pushing up as the fingers pulled the string back. There probably were some self-nocks that would snap on similar to modern nocks, but that would have been much harder to cut just right. There are other factors to consider, such as the shape of the nock, the thickness of the bowstring, and probably 1-2 more. To summarize: nocks haven't changed much, but they have changed. Plastic nocks have developed in the last 70 years to make snapping sounds and hug the string with a more consistent strength than ever before. The difference is subtle. It was just because you said that pre-plastic nocks were exactly the same in function as modern nocks, which is not really possible; similar, yes, but exactly the same, no. I never thought you were wrong, just that I could add my knowledge and improve the statement.
I'm sorry, but I regularly shoot with people who have studied and rebuilt Mary Rose bows, arrows, bracers etc etc, I know the main Royal Armouries man who is the top expert in the country for medieval equipment and remakes them, he is an old chap now but is a wealth of knowledge, I also shoot field archery with people who use self nocks every single week. They did NOT pinch the arrow, it clipped to the string exactly as it does now.
the pictures in Lars' video show the arrow resting on teh right of the bow. just making that change alone makes the ergonomics faster and easier. and also, maybe arrows for combat had wider nocks, but not wide like Lars used?
well done, sold points, and you didn't slander him just showing arrows.